Planned Parenthood's efforts reduce unplanned pregnancies by making birth control available to all, and that reduces unplanned pregnancies. This relieves the strain on our health care system, and saves taxpayers money.
What does viability have to do with the humanness of a preborn child? A three year old isn't viable--she needs her parents to feed her, shelter her and keep her healthy and safe--she cant' take care of herself, just as she was in the womb--dependent on her loving parents to nourish and nurture her.
A mother and father who pay money to kill their child are murderers--sorry, but there's no nice way of putting this!
Hey, Dad: YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT CHILD'S HERO! Not his killer!
I did not say we should kill every child in Foster Care. I implied that growing up in Foster Care is a terrible experience for a child, and that saying that we should just "Adopt them out" isn't very reasonable. Adoption is NOT the solution to having an Abortion. It can be in some cases, but not in all. And a lot of Abortions are due to the baby having some kind of defect. How many mentally-ill kids get adopted? Not a lot. I meant to say that Foster Care isn't a surefire solution.
No, you're are taking certain parts of my sentences and twisting them. You completely ignored my point that not a lot of kids actually get adopted, and mentally handicapped kids do not get adopted as easily. So you can't say that "We can adopt them out" because a lot of the times you can't. A child will not always be adopted, so it is not a surefire solution like some people stated. THAT is my point, argue against THAT. Is adoption a surefire solution to Abortion or not?
Over 57 million babies have been aborted in the U.S. since 1973, thanks to the illogical pro-choice stance. Being pro-abortion has to be one of he most non-sensible hypocritical stances one can make. If you weren't ALIVE, you would have no reproductive system in the first place. You can't have a "right to choose" without the right to life first.
@funk7000 says: You can't have a "right to choose" without the right to life first.
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LOLOl, just listen to that probirth logic...utterly amazing, and this poster dosent even see the nonsense! Unbelievable. Im posting that one in the forum.
Officials Find Dozens of Frozen Dead Babies After Legal Abortion Death Probed
Officials also suspected the woman died from the botched abortion in part because she had been treated by unlicensed personnel a suspension order described "deplorable & unsanitary" conditions at the clinic indicating that "there was blood on the floor, and parts of aborted fetuses were displayed in jars.” The order declared Gosnell to be "an immediate & clear danger to the public health and safety
@CanadianFE Can a fetus be adopted like a newborn or 2yo can? =) Are they part of, isnide of, attached to, property of a single woman like a fetus is? YOUR logic is flawed b/c you are blind to obvious differences.
@CanadianFE i will never stop finding that pro life stance amusing. " what about the unborn child's choice" or "they don't have a voice" etc... Do you remember what it's like in the womb? no? well golly gee. I've had people ask me, "what if your mother aborted you" the answer is simple, i wouldn't have cared. I have no means at that point to develop memory, i may feel pain but given the PROVEN fact i have no means to retain memory said pain does not matter a second after it happens.
@lambchopclmt okay if you ever get inot a coma have your family call me ill gladly decide to kill you and of course you wont have and memory of it so its cool
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 says a coma have your family call me ill gladly decide to kill you and of course you wont have and memory of it so its cool
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With that statement, You also cant disconnect from the idea that comatose person isnt the same as an embryo. You MUST have some sort of emotional weakness that indicates you are unable to grasp some pretty simple aspects of human experiences...even comatose ones.
@lambchopclmt oh and how would you remember anything if your dead anyway i guess your not as "logical" as you think.n its fucked up how a man has to take care of the child if she keeps it but he has no say in if she gets a abortion or not.women always playing the hypocrit.
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 says: its fucked up how a man has to take care of the child if she keeps it but he has no say in if she gets a abortion
~~~~~~~~~~~ You only think that way because you cant disconnect from the idea that an embryo isnt the same as a born child. Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes.
@lambchopclmt yea i talk how i want sorry, i see you are one of the "mature" ppl who everybody cant stand becuase shes such a stuckup bitch, i dont even know you and i can already tell your a snobby bitch.go drink your coffe and how old are you? hopefully you are atleast 30 talking like that im 18 sooooooo i cant say curse words because you say so, GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT FUCKING SHIT BITCH XD.convo over go fuck yourself and annoy all your friends,thats if u even have any.XDXDXDXD
I like lambchopclmt because she knows how to construct a sentence without making a complete ass out of herself, and if she would let me, I would gladly be her friend because she has proven that she is intelligent through her advanced vocabulary, unlike SOME people. *HInt Hint* :)
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 what truth? all i saw was negative language and a horrible sense on the English language. if you want to make a point, make it intelligently.
@lambchopclmt good job teacher.thanx for the lesson, and get a life, please.it took me a couple days to comment this back.i really feel bad for you now. : (
@lambchopclmt Who cares if you remember it. Who cares if the child doesn't have the ability to make decisions? This boils down to the fact that the fetus is alive and has human DNA. Is therefore a living human being, and abortion is legal murder. That's it. If you kill the thing, you have the blood of an innocent person on your hands.
@futurejockey8 A fetus has no viability? Lol! Idk but I was born premature and here I am! About 6 months in is the point which a fetus reaches viability...the ability to live outside of the womb.
@futurejockey8 A fetus is a human being. It is alive, and it has human DNA. It is a member of our species. That makes abortion legal "murder," of an innocent human.
@GenerationEpic90 that doesn't give it viability. If you consider the elimination of human POTENTIAL, you must consider (male) masturbation with ejaculation genocide. And you must consider a woman a murderer for having a menstrual cycle with the successful disposal of an unfertilized egg. They, the fetus, the sperm cells, and the egg cell, are all human POTENTIAL.
@futurejockey8 Once the sperm and egg come together, both sets of DNA have been merged to form what will soon be a human. Killing that is killing your own species. If you were too stupid to make the guy use a condom and/or the women use birth control, then that is your own fault. We have places to put kids up for adoption and a lot of people willing to adopt them, so there is no excuse.
@futurejockey8 I forgot the life threatening pregnancy, but if you are raped you can put the child up for adoption. Incest is voluntary, so it is your own fault. Most abortions are from people who got pregnant from voluntary sex and that is their fault.
@futurejockey8 I totally agree with you... no women should have to go through that hell of carrying that child. It isn't fair and it isn't right. Nobody has any right to judge someone, particularly when they have never been in a situation in which they might consider this. Clearly, it's a radical idea that women own their own bodies... (note the sarcasm.) All in all it's a personal choice and people need to mind their own business.
@brewerschick08 you're the first person to reply to me on these videos that actually agrees with me ahahaha. A women has rights to her own body. Apparently one of my classmates in my English class has had an abortion - she was 15.5 and almost 4 MONTHS. It took a long time because she wanted to keep it, but her parents wanted to abort it. She said it was extremely painful, physically and emotionally. Unfortunately, she was a minor and could not legally make her own decisions of that matter.
@futurejockey8 Oh, well I'm very sorry for her. I don' think that's right , that her parents made her have oneand like I said, it's really a personal choice. Nobody can defintivley say what they would or wouldn't do in that situation, so it's all a matter of choice like you said. And with the incest and rape and so forth it really is stupid to say it's not right for anyone to say that they can't abort it, and vice versa. It's a personal matter.
@AntiRacismAndHateCom Adoption is not an alternative to being pregnant or giving birth, it's an alternative to raising a child. No woman should be forced to give birth against her will. Women deserve rights over their reproductive systems, they shouldn't be punished for having sex! Sometimes birth control fails. Sometimes having an abortion is the most humane decision. Regardless of why women choose it, they don't deserve to be criticized by people who don't know their circumstances.
@AntiRacismAndHateCom Actually, most people DO have sex. Screwing is not a prerequisite for a loving, stable woman/couple able to provide for dependants. :P And children should NOT be used against anyone as unwanted burdens or punishments for having sex!!!! And to say you're really mad that your tax $'s go to paying for abortions is ridiculous! You obviously have no CLUE how much more it costs to support millions of homeless or welfare kids! esp. the ones with disabilities and health issues!!!!
@AntiRacismAndHateCom Far more of your tax dollars go to a welfare mom's unplanned child. Rape/incest victims, moms dying in labor which orphans their kids... Almost all of taxes going to Planned Parenthood goes to STD testing, education, and birth control, which PREVENTS unplanned pregnancies. A few religious fundamentalists have been spreading anti-PP propaganda, as if this will prevent young people from having sex. Dream on.
Planned Parenthood is all about living in the real world.
@ndrthrdr1 The goal is to not pay taxes to help kill my own species before it even has a chance to make a choice. Has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with care for my own species. Care for one's own species is what intelligent life forms are supposed to do.
@AntiRacismAndHateCom says: The goal is to not pay taxes to help kill my own species before it even has a chance to make a choice
~~~~~~~~ That goal has already been reached...YEARS ago. The Hyde Ammendment ammendmant EXCLUDES abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided by the federal government , excet in cases of rape or incest, or woman's life is endangered . Do you people know ANY thing?
@AntiRacismAndHateCom says: Care for one's own species is what intelligent life forms are supposed to do.
~~~~~~~~~~ tell the truth.. youre wanting to " care" is for YOU. You have taken an unknow entity that is OWNED by someone else, that could die naturally or be aborted and you'd NEVER know it, that you wont care about, wont feed, love, or guide and you have basically made it ...YOUR OWN, ADORED "BABY. Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes
@ndrthrdr1 Screw you. Calling me a "sock puppet for the fundamentalist religious right" when you have no idea who I am. Do you even know what the word fundamentalist means? Seeing as I am for gay marriage and gay rights, your accusation of calling me a fundamentalist is completely wrong. You have no idea who I am, you are just some ignorant punk.
@AntiRacismAndHateCom says: You have sex, you take the risk. And the fact that my tax dollars goes to pay for abortions is what really makes me mad.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ What makes me mad is that you morons dont know that your taxes arent paying for abortions, yet they are paying to house child molesters and you never bitch about THAT...is that because the molested child was born and you have no more concerns for it?
@futurejockey8 I consider an egg and a sperm to be potential humans. They do not have individual human DNA, and one without the other is pretty much useless, so masturbating and menstration is far from "Genocide." (gimme a fuckin' break). Since when does the act of being born automatically transform the fetus into a human being? A human is an individual with human DNA. A member of our own species- When the egg and sperm come together that is just what they "create."
WE HAVE TO STOP ABORTION!!!!! it is soooo horrible!
that baby IS living and scientists and us have proved it! so whats the difference of killing a human whether its inside or out? its wrong! please do not have an abortion and do the right thing.. at least give him up for adoption he deserves a life as u did!
@luvusa45 the woman will still go through painful childbirth, and theres always a chance she'll die during birth. and women who get raped, and just want to live their life and not worry about carrying a baby, are they just supposed to wait it out?
@damannameddan actually theres a new thing nowadays called medicine 4 birth where they cant feel anything! and and i would dye then rather have my baby dye, b/c i already had a chance 2 live my life and my child deserves 2 have a life too!
@luvusa45 yeah it's life, but so is cancer... the fact that it's 'life' doesn't really mean anything. it doesn't even feel ANYTHING until like... week 22. it's not aware of it's own existence, it's not gonna care if it dies.
@tpacemaker2 says: so you're saying that 5 minutes before a baby is born, it doesn't have the right to live, but when it pops out, it magically gains that right
~~~~~~~~~~ Do you REALLY have to ask me that question??? Youre in here debating and you dont know this??? Jesus christ... Take alittle pride in yourslef & the things you say!! how about alittle research BEFORE you speak?
@tpacemaker2 says: so you're saying that if someone thinks it is morally right to kill a nine-month old fetus, it's okay?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK to who? The person who has chosen to think its morally right...or to everyone else in the world? Morals are a personal choice, dumbass! Whats "ok" to one person isnt to another. There is NO set or moral rules we all can go by. Thats your damned problem, if everyone dosent think like you, then they are wrong.
@MzDark says: it's not aware of it's own existence,
~~~~~~~~~~ Irrational people cant get the gist of that idea. To them, a rice sized embryo is NO different than they are. They literally think it can plan, emote, rationalize, have memories.......... and do your taxes for you.
"They literally think it can plan, emote, rationalize, have memories.......... and do your taxes for you."
We know that a fetus can't plan or rationalize. We also know that a newborn baby (outside the womb) also can't plan, or rationalize. But somehow once it is born it gains the right to live...
@tpacemaker2 says: We know that a fetus can't plan or rationalize. We also know that a newborn baby
~~~~~~~~~~ Of course it cant!!!! What in the hell does that have to do with my response to someone regarding how prolifers see a fetus as a born, full grown person?????
We don't see it as a born full grown person. Your argument was that because a fetus can't rationalize, etc... they aren't considered a human. But I said that neither can babies (BUT WE CONSIDER THEM HUMANS). So it had everything to do with your response.
@MzDark no week 20, but they still know whats happening, because their brain has already started forming, and even if they couldnt feel it, it would still be wrong to KILL a human being more likely an infant. EVERYONE HAS A PLACE IN THIS WORLD! and abortion is just taking those childrens places away! to make more room 4 evil.
@luvusa45 No, sweetie, they don't know what's happening. They aren't aware of anything. Just because the brain has started to form, doesn't mean it's capable of thought or are aware of it's own existence. I suggest that you revise your comments before posting them. If it's wrong to kill something with no ability to feel pain, no awareness of its existence and whose life depends entirely on its host, why is it okay to kill a plant? They're essentially equal, except plants are independent beings.
@MzDark oh i didn't know you remeber what is was like to be a baby in your mommy's tummy. and with your logic of since it doesn't understand its existence or awareness it okay to kill then lets just kill all of the handicap kids.
@luvusa45 alright, first of all dont call me honey cause i dont know u and thts just being immature and stupid. 2nd of all, u just literally compared a live human being to a plant... yeah.
and i HAVE actually researched and worked on this subject for awhile now i know what iam talking about i think u dont.
adter 20 weeks they can feel pain pain, and most woman have abortions b4 tht, and it doesent matter what time or how big, its a human being and its wrong ALL the way 2 kill one.
@Sueezee1 Hey asshole murder is wrong! It's wrong according to GOD, and people who "actually" care about life. We don't take the easy way out and kill a innocent child when things get tough. PRO LIFE
Okay first off, don't use the word "God" in a arguement. I am an agnostic, so I neither believe nor deny the existence of God, but since you cannot prove he exists, his word amounts to nothing in a arguement. You said that "We kill a innocent Child". Wrong again, do your research. A fetus is not a child. A child can breathe and move around on it's own. A fetus is a parasite that feeds and lives off of a woman's body, and she should not be forced to keep a parasite in her.
@TeensForTheFuture No, good luck with believing in immorality, supporting killing babies. All I can say is, murder is wrong, when you decide to support that, then prepare to suffer the consequences either in this life or next.
Okay, you didn't argue my point that a fetus isn't a baby, therefore I will assume that you agree with me. And if a Fetus isn't a baby, then it isn't a human, and if it isn't a human it isn't murder to kill it. Here's what ProLifers need to do. They need to let people live THEIR OWN lives the way they want to live it. Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't pretend that you can account for every situation for every female alive, because you can't.
Okay, I will suffer the consequences of YOUR afterlife. But I have made the decision to suffer those consequences, (Though i don't believe there will be any consequences), and you don't have any right to interfere and tell any woman that they aren't allowed to do what they want with THEIR bodies. Leave that up to your God to judge, and keep it out of our law system.
@TeensForTheFuture Just because you don't believe there will be no consequences, doesn't mean that it won't happen. I am supporting life, a baby's life. I know plenty of women with my views on abortion. So like I said before, good luck.
In a recent survey, about 75% of ProLifers are men. So yeah, there are woman Pro Lifers. But a underwhelming minority. You didn't argue this next point, leave it up to your god to judge, and keep your religious views out of our law system. Don't like Gay Marriage? Don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't do them. And above all, Don't like Abortion? Don't get one, and don't prevent other people from getting one.
@TeensForTheFuture "Don't like Gay Marriage? Don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't do them. And above all, Don't like Abortion? Don't get one"
Don't like rape? Don't rape anyone. Don't like murder? Don't murder. Don't like theft? Don't steal... and don't prevent other people from raping, murdering, and stealing.
Rape and Murder effect other people. Gay Marraige does not effect you. Doing Marijuana does not effect you. Having an Abortion does not effect you. Comparing those to Rape and Murder is a fallacy. Now do you see how ridiculous YOUR logic is?
A fetus is not a human being yet, so your logic is flawed, and therefore not solid. You are the one stating that a Fetus is a Human Being, so therefore, you have to take the measures to prove that it is..
@TeensForTheFuture Of course a fetus is a human being. It's a living human organism, and you won't find any reputable biologist who will say otherwise. There is nothing to prove, this is plain scientific fact.
But is it a person? I made a huge mistake saying Human Being, I should've said Person. Why should we give Rights to something that isn't even a person? Unless you can prove that they can think and feel at the time of an Abortion, (They can think and feel during Partial-Term Abortions, but the topic at matter is regular Abortions), then you have no arguement.
@TeensForTheFuture I'm sick of the whole "personhood" argument. It's an arbitrary philosophical debate on what defines "personhood." What is not in question though, is that a fetus is a human life, and abortion kills that life. Nobody could be an adult before being a teenager, or could be a adolescent before being a toddler/child, could be a toddler before being and infant, or could be an infant without first being a fetus. It's a required stage in life, regardless of personal definitions.
A fetus is a required stage in CREATING life, but is it life? Sperm isn't life, although it is needed in the process of creating life. Everybody agrees that at some point, a fetus is alive, and at the point Abortion becomes illegal. (Around five months). The law does not recognize the potential something has of becoming life, and you have yet to prove a fetus is alive. And if something isn't alive, why should we value that over an alive woman's choices?
@TeensForTheFuture We already went over this. A fetus us alive. This is something that everybody (everybody in the scientific field) agrees on. There is nothing to prove, this is biological fact. A sperm definitely is needed in the process of creating life, yes. But a sperm cell isn't a stage in life. It is not it's own life, and does not have it's own unique DNA code. It's an extension of the male body and only has the potential of creating life. An embryo/fetus on the other hand is life.
Also, you did not respond to my statement about Adoption, which leads me to conclude that I have beaten you in that Debate. I'll restate it though, in case ya missed it. Is Adoption a reliable solution to Abortion? Again, I already presented all my evidence on the matter, and you did not respond. (Also, I won't be on for the next week. Ironically, I'm going to D.C. for Nationals in Debate, so if I don't answer it probably means I don't have access to a computer.)
@TeensForTheFuture No, because you're using language to set up the debate in a dishonest way. "Is adoption a reliable solution to abortion?" That sets the premise that abortion is the standard norm, which it is not- like adoption, abortion is a solution for unwanted parenthood. So that's issue we that we're looking for a solution to. Sex is not mandatory, and it's not a right. There are many potential consequences to it, unwanted pregnancy being the most obvious (you know, with reproduction
@TeensForTheFuture bring the main purpose of sex). If one chooses to engage in sex, they understand that this is a very possible outcome and should take precaution against it by using contraceptive. Even with BC, it's still known that there's a chance of BC failure and that pregnancy still might happen. The main solution for this is for people to accept responsibility for their actions and understand that if they have sex, they very well could be responsible for being a parent.
Is reproduction the main purpose of sex? In nature, yes. And if we lived like our ancestors, it would be the only reason. But nowadays, sex means so much more than just reproduction. It's about making yourself completely vunerable to a person you trust. It's giving them the ultimate gift. It's beautiful. And besides, it is NOT realistic to expect us to only have sex for reproduction, because that will NEVER happen. Because it'll never happen, women should have the option of Abortion.
@TeensForTheFuture People who get pregnant and have abortions are not the ones having sex to give a beautiful ultimate gift to their their partners. They're the ones having sex casually for the recreation of it. That beautiful gift and vunerability you give some one when making love is for establishing a close bond, so that you have love for eachother, and the child you create from having sex. Ripping your unborn child apart and sucking his body out through a vacuum has nothing to do with beauty
@TeensForTheFuture but they can push the problems of "thier" body on a man since its your body then take care of the baby to . but its different when you have to take responsibility isnt it. oh yeah it is thier bodies the child and the mothers for nine months.
Okay, first off your spelling is horrible. Go back to the first grade. Second, It IS their bodies. A father doesn't need to have mood swings, cramps, random vomiting, sudden cravings, to gain LOTS of weight, to have swelling, and above all, he doesn't need to go through the excrutiating pain of childbirth. It is a woman's body, don't tell her that because of ONE mistake she has to suffer her whole life.
@TeensForTheFuture but he has to take care of it like you said it didn't come from thier bodies so shit he shouldnt have to take care of it then right? and i like how you talked about spelling, its tftf im not in school any more and you are sure not a teacher.he doesnt have to have it but he sure as hell has to deal with it im not saying women do not go through alot to have children but you had sex, and just like you said just becuase her mistake she has to take the childs life away.so selfish.
@TeensForTheFuture a man doesnt have to go through them but he sure has to deal and caterto the women who does.and cmon its youtube not school, your not a proffesor so stop.and one mistake is all it takes she knew the reprocussions and most women get more than one abortion anyways, trust me i know a few. so they still had sex and knew what would happen, and can always give the child to a loving family so, yeah your argument doesnt make sense.your just making your self sound selfish.
And you make yourself sound like an idiot with no education when you spell horribly. I know this isn't school, but when I talk to people I show the common courtesy of using correct grammer, when you don't it shows that you really don't care and that you're sloppy. NO, a pregnant woman cannot always give a child to a loving family. SO many kids grow up in the foster care system without any adoptions. It's a horrible experience, and we should not put anyone through that.
@TeensForTheFuture So what you're saying is a child is better off dead than in foster care? Why not kill kids in the foster care system then?
I'm not aware of many infants in foster care. There is a high demand for infant adoption, to the point where we bring them in from China. So could you please give us the statistics about infants in foster care?
@Ju87s says: There is a high demand for infant adoption, to the point where we bring them in from China.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit...adopting overseas is ONLY a fad. . We have 300 new babies LIVING in NY hospitals because there are no adopters, let alone the number in other cities. Get educated
@sirchristian12 says: then prepare to suffer the consequences either in this life or next.
~~~~~~~~~ You people always play the "god" card when you dont have anything else. I can prove there is nothing in the bible concerning abortion being a sin or even wrong.. can you prove otherwise? No, you cant. So, your lying in the name of God.... You had better watch who your promoting "consequences in the next life" to, buddy! You could be number one of the faithful shit list!
@Sueezee1 Lying in the name of God? lol righhhtt. Your hostile, rude, think you know it all. I don't give a shit what you think, I don't care if you claim you win something lol, I don't care. Think what you want. You are a waste of time. When you comment I am not even going to bother what you said. Go support Infanticide, go support killing innocent life. lol
@luvusa45 says: EVERYONE HAS A PLACE IN THIS WORLD!
~~~~~~~~~~ yes, some are in prison, live in total poverty, institutes for the mentally ill, in abusive homes, etc, etc... when do you start caring about the kids?
@Sueezee1 i do care about kids more than anything, why do u think im debating for their life now? And the for everyone to live a life of poverty, and to go to jail, tht was their joice they chose to do wrong. But yes children tht are abused... its not fair! but is it fair tht they get killed?
@luvusa45 says: so whats the difference of killing a human whether its inside or out?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you telling me that youre in here talking about abortion and you dont know the answer to tthat???? Knowledge is power...get powerful.
@luvusa45 says:what?... im just explaining how abortion is bad; and there is NO difference of killing a baby inside or out!
~~~~~~~~~~ What do you mean "what"??? And I KNOW what you were talking about...why in the hell do you think I answered like I did, if I didnt know? geeez
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its bad to who? YOU? Youre not the judge of wnats bad and what isnt for the people of the world. With 40 MILLION aboriton worldwide every yr...its seems to be pretty good to many
@Sueezee1 its bad to all of us! it effects all generations in the world by just killing 1 innocent baby! but hear we kill over a million! and think about it what good is it doing at all?
@luvusa45 says: it effects all generations in the world by just killing 1 innocent baby
~~~~~~~~~~~ I Without running away from the question..i want you to tell us all how abortion, thats has been happening since the beginning of time, has affected the world.
@tpacemaker2 says: if someone is trying to murder an adult
human is ok, they have righ to do it because thats within their morals
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who in the hell said is was "OK"? I said... everyone has their OWN moral code, a nd if you cant comprehand what you read, then why frickin bother??
You said that it is okay for someone to have an abortion if their morals tell them it's okay.
I pointed out that this is not a valid argument, because by this logic, someone can do anything they want if it is in accordance with there OWN morals...
@tpacemaker2 says: I pointed out its not a valid argument/someone can do anything they want with their own morals
~~~~~~~~ Thats EXACTLY the "valid argument". NO one can tell another person what to do with their body on a moral level, AND, people DO, do whatevr they want when it involves themselves. Geeeeeez, I dread your response!
@Sueezee1 hahaha u are hilarious! ur just throwing comments out tht arent true! look it up! and actually doctors have proved tht the fetus is alive from the time it is conceived in the womb!
@luvusa45 says: look it up! and actually doctors have proved tht the fetus is alive from the time it is conceived in the womb!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I dont have to look anything up...i know it all, and of course fetuses are alive,.... show me where i said they wernt. LOLOl, you cant ...can you LIAR?
@Sueezee1 no but u said tht it didnt have a brain 2 think! and iam sick and tired of your rude comments! ok and you already know everything?? haha i dont think so! u definently havent proved u know everything! and stop commenting the things i have said, i already know what i said!
ndrthrdr1 if it's unplanned then they shouldnt kill the baby they should just have it and then put it up for adoption
cyclone493 5 months ago
Planned Parenthood's efforts reduce unplanned pregnancies by making birth control available to all, and that reduces unplanned pregnancies. This relieves the strain on our health care system, and saves taxpayers money.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
What does viability have to do with the humanness of a preborn child? A three year old isn't viable--she needs her parents to feed her, shelter her and keep her healthy and safe--she cant' take care of herself, just as she was in the womb--dependent on her loving parents to nourish and nurture her.
A mother and father who pay money to kill their child are murderers--sorry, but there's no nice way of putting this!
Hey, Dad: YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT CHILD'S HERO! Not his killer!
dulcismaria 6 months ago
@Ju87s
I did not say we should kill every child in Foster Care. I implied that growing up in Foster Care is a terrible experience for a child, and that saying that we should just "Adopt them out" isn't very reasonable. Adoption is NOT the solution to having an Abortion. It can be in some cases, but not in all. And a lot of Abortions are due to the baby having some kind of defect. How many mentally-ill kids get adopted? Not a lot. I meant to say that Foster Care isn't a surefire solution.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture So we should kill the mentally handicapped?
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
No, you're are taking certain parts of my sentences and twisting them. You completely ignored my point that not a lot of kids actually get adopted, and mentally handicapped kids do not get adopted as easily. So you can't say that "We can adopt them out" because a lot of the times you can't. A child will not always be adopted, so it is not a surefire solution like some people stated. THAT is my point, argue against THAT. Is adoption a surefire solution to Abortion or not?
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
I would never get an abortion, but it is none of the governments business. Pro Choice all the way!!
iceribbongirl 8 months ago
damn how far down human biengs have become i blame society. why cant we all just live in the jungle again.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
abortion is a weak persons cop out.
lostgymnastsox 9 months ago
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@lostgymnastsox says: bortion is a weak persons cop out.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Sure it is but having unwanted, often hated babies isnt a cop out ??? use you head.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
14th Amendment.
Albanezkaa 9 months ago
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lifeishomeless 10 months ago
Over 57 million babies have been aborted in the U.S. since 1973, thanks to the illogical pro-choice stance. Being pro-abortion has to be one of he most non-sensible hypocritical stances one can make. If you weren't ALIVE, you would have no reproductive system in the first place. You can't have a "right to choose" without the right to life first.
funk7000 11 months ago
@funk7000 says: You can't have a "right to choose" without the right to life first.
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LOLOl, just listen to that probirth logic...utterly amazing, and this poster dosent even see the nonsense! Unbelievable. Im posting that one in the forum.
Sueezee1 11 months ago
GO OBAMA FOR BEING PRO-CHOICE!
powergirlttyu 1 year ago
@powergirlttyu AMEN!
PALOMITA694 11 months ago
Pro-Life is a disease
HowardSternn 1 year ago
@HowardSternn AGREED!
powergirlttyu 1 year ago
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Officials Find Dozens of Frozen Dead Babies After Legal Abortion Death Probed
Officials also suspected the woman died from the botched abortion in part because she had been treated by unlicensed personnel a suspension order described "deplorable & unsanitary" conditions at the clinic indicating that "there was blood on the floor, and parts of aborted fetuses were displayed in jars.” The order declared Gosnell to be "an immediate & clear danger to the public health and safety
teton99 1 year ago
MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL AND THE USA WILL BE ON THE LIST OF THE THIRD WOLD COUNTRIES ON A DECADE.
PRO-CHOICE KEEPING AMERICA STRONG!
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
@PALOMITA694 No, Pro-Choice killing Americans, and that's not something to celebrate
TheProLifeDude 11 months ago
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BURN IN HELL YOU
PROCHOICE
WHORES OF SATAN
This message brought to you by a former fetus.
RalphMariedeLargo 1 year ago
@lambchopclmt your logic is flawed in that the same statement can be applied to a child up to almost 2 years old.
CanadianFE 1 year ago
@CanadianFE Can a fetus be adopted like a newborn or 2yo can? =) Are they part of, isnide of, attached to, property of a single woman like a fetus is? YOUR logic is flawed b/c you are blind to obvious differences.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago 11
What about the living human baby's choice for right and wrong?
CanadianFE 1 year ago
@CanadianFE i will never stop finding that pro life stance amusing. " what about the unborn child's choice" or "they don't have a voice" etc... Do you remember what it's like in the womb? no? well golly gee. I've had people ask me, "what if your mother aborted you" the answer is simple, i wouldn't have cared. I have no means at that point to develop memory, i may feel pain but given the PROVEN fact i have no means to retain memory said pain does not matter a second after it happens.
lambchopclmt 1 year ago 10
@lambchopclmt okay if you ever get inot a coma have your family call me ill gladly decide to kill you and of course you wont have and memory of it so its cool
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 says a coma have your family call me ill gladly decide to kill you and of course you wont have and memory of it so its cool
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With that statement, You also cant disconnect from the idea that comatose person isnt the same as an embryo. You MUST have some sort of emotional weakness that indicates you are unable to grasp some pretty simple aspects of human experiences...even comatose ones.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@lambchopclmt oh and how would you remember anything if your dead anyway i guess your not as "logical" as you think.n its fucked up how a man has to take care of the child if she keeps it but he has no say in if she gets a abortion or not.women always playing the hypocrit.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
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@iamsofakingwetoddit1 you still didn't answer the question. Do you remember?
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 says: its fucked up how a man has to take care of the child if she keeps it but he has no say in if she gets a abortion
~~~~~~~~~~~ You only think that way because you cant disconnect from the idea that an embryo isnt the same as a born child. Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 are you retarded?
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@lambchopclmt No,you are bitch.man the world that women like you cant just keep thier legs closed good job being irresponsible.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@lambchopclmt nope,sorry bitch.the whole fetus memory thing was dumb would you have wanted to exist as you do now or not stop dodging shit.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 Your choice of language proves you are an idiot and point is invalid. Come back when you learn to talk like an educated adult.
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@lambchopclmt yea i talk how i want sorry, i see you are one of the "mature" ppl who everybody cant stand becuase shes such a stuckup bitch, i dont even know you and i can already tell your a snobby bitch.go drink your coffe and how old are you? hopefully you are atleast 30 talking like that im 18 sooooooo i cant say curse words because you say so, GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT FUCKING SHIT BITCH XD.convo over go fuck yourself and annoy all your friends,thats if u even have any.XDXDXDXD
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1
I like lambchopclmt because she knows how to construct a sentence without making a complete ass out of herself, and if she would let me, I would gladly be her friend because she has proven that she is intelligent through her advanced vocabulary, unlike SOME people. *HInt Hint* :)
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture haha, thank you. : )
lambchopclmt 7 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 oh liek omg, i didn't know sounding like a fucking idiot was cool now. thanks u dude for lettin meh no.
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 oh and, fuckz fuckz fuckz, am i cool now?
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@lambchopclmt i guess i was right ppl only get mad when you say something with some truth in it to them so i just feel bad for you now.so sad. : (
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 lmao
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 what truth? all i saw was negative language and a horrible sense on the English language. if you want to make a point, make it intelligently.
lambchopclmt 7 months ago
@lambchopclmt excuse me, *of. I realize that was incredibly de-classe.
lambchopclmt 7 months ago
@lambchopclmt thanks teacher. you know what i said is true.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 7 months ago
@lambchopclmt good job teacher.thanx for the lesson, and get a life, please.it took me a couple days to comment this back.i really feel bad for you now. : (
iamsofakingwetoddit1 7 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 Now who's dodging? lmfao
lambchopclmt 7 months ago
@lambchopclmt Who cares if you remember it. Who cares if the child doesn't have the ability to make decisions? This boils down to the fact that the fetus is alive and has human DNA. Is therefore a living human being, and abortion is legal murder. That's it. If you kill the thing, you have the blood of an innocent person on your hands.
GenerationEpic90 7 months ago
@GenerationEpic90 a fetus has no viability. It is human potential. Therefore it is not murder.
futurejockey8 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 A fetus has no viability? Lol! Idk but I was born premature and here I am! About 6 months in is the point which a fetus reaches viability...the ability to live outside of the womb.
GenerationEpic90 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 A fetus is a human being. It is alive, and it has human DNA. It is a member of our species. That makes abortion legal "murder," of an innocent human.
GenerationEpic90 6 months ago
@GenerationEpic90 that doesn't give it viability. If you consider the elimination of human POTENTIAL, you must consider (male) masturbation with ejaculation genocide. And you must consider a woman a murderer for having a menstrual cycle with the successful disposal of an unfertilized egg. They, the fetus, the sperm cells, and the egg cell, are all human POTENTIAL.
futurejockey8 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 Once the sperm and egg come together, both sets of DNA have been merged to form what will soon be a human. Killing that is killing your own species. If you were too stupid to make the guy use a condom and/or the women use birth control, then that is your own fault. We have places to put kids up for adoption and a lot of people willing to adopt them, so there is no excuse.
AntiRacismAndHateCom 6 months ago
@AntiRacismAndHateCom rape.. incest.. life threatening pregnancy...
futurejockey8 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 I forgot the life threatening pregnancy, but if you are raped you can put the child up for adoption. Incest is voluntary, so it is your own fault. Most abortions are from people who got pregnant from voluntary sex and that is their fault.
AntiRacismAndHateCom 6 months ago
@AntiRacismAndHateCom oops I meant like incest rape. Such as Roseanne Barr was a victim of incest. anyways, you're basically right!
futurejockey8 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 I totally agree with you... no women should have to go through that hell of carrying that child. It isn't fair and it isn't right. Nobody has any right to judge someone, particularly when they have never been in a situation in which they might consider this. Clearly, it's a radical idea that women own their own bodies... (note the sarcasm.) All in all it's a personal choice and people need to mind their own business.
brewerschick08 2 months ago
@brewerschick08 you're the first person to reply to me on these videos that actually agrees with me ahahaha. A women has rights to her own body. Apparently one of my classmates in my English class has had an abortion - she was 15.5 and almost 4 MONTHS. It took a long time because she wanted to keep it, but her parents wanted to abort it. She said it was extremely painful, physically and emotionally. Unfortunately, she was a minor and could not legally make her own decisions of that matter.
futurejockey8 2 months ago
@futurejockey8 Oh, well I'm very sorry for her. I don' think that's right , that her parents made her have oneand like I said, it's really a personal choice. Nobody can defintivley say what they would or wouldn't do in that situation, so it's all a matter of choice like you said. And with the incest and rape and so forth it really is stupid to say it's not right for anyone to say that they can't abort it, and vice versa. It's a personal matter.
brewerschick08 2 months ago
@AntiRacismAndHateCom Adoption is not an alternative to being pregnant or giving birth, it's an alternative to raising a child. No woman should be forced to give birth against her will. Women deserve rights over their reproductive systems, they shouldn't be punished for having sex! Sometimes birth control fails. Sometimes having an abortion is the most humane decision. Regardless of why women choose it, they don't deserve to be criticized by people who don't know their circumstances.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago 2
@loathedanabhorred You have sex, you take the risk. And the fact that my tax dollars goes to pay for abortions is what really makes me mad.
AntiRacismAndHateCom 6 months ago
@AntiRacismAndHateCom Actually, most people DO have sex. Screwing is not a prerequisite for a loving, stable woman/couple able to provide for dependants. :P And children should NOT be used against anyone as unwanted burdens or punishments for having sex!!!! And to say you're really mad that your tax $'s go to paying for abortions is ridiculous! You obviously have no CLUE how much more it costs to support millions of homeless or welfare kids! esp. the ones with disabilities and health issues!!!!
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@AntiRacismAndHateCom Far more of your tax dollars go to a welfare mom's unplanned child. Rape/incest victims, moms dying in labor which orphans their kids... Almost all of taxes going to Planned Parenthood goes to STD testing, education, and birth control, which PREVENTS unplanned pregnancies. A few religious fundamentalists have been spreading anti-PP propaganda, as if this will prevent young people from having sex. Dream on.
Planned Parenthood is all about living in the real world.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago 2
@ndrthrdr1 I would rather taxes go to pay for people who are alive then to fund killing babies.
AntiRacismAndHateCom 5 months ago
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ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 The goal is to not pay taxes to help kill my own species before it even has a chance to make a choice. Has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with care for my own species. Care for one's own species is what intelligent life forms are supposed to do.
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ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
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@AntiRacismAndHateCom says: The goal is to not pay taxes to help kill my own species before it even has a chance to make a choice
~~~~~~~~ That goal has already been reached...YEARS ago. The Hyde Ammendment ammendmant EXCLUDES abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided by the federal government , excet in cases of rape or incest, or woman's life is endangered . Do you people know ANY thing?
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@AntiRacismAndHateCom says: Care for one's own species is what intelligent life forms are supposed to do.
~~~~~~~~~~ tell the truth.. youre wanting to " care" is for YOU. You have taken an unknow entity that is OWNED by someone else, that could die naturally or be aborted and you'd NEVER know it, that you wont care about, wont feed, love, or guide and you have basically made it ...YOUR OWN, ADORED "BABY. Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Screw you. Calling me a "sock puppet for the fundamentalist religious right" when you have no idea who I am. Do you even know what the word fundamentalist means? Seeing as I am for gay marriage and gay rights, your accusation of calling me a fundamentalist is completely wrong. You have no idea who I am, you are just some ignorant punk.
AntiRacismAndHateCom 5 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 AMEN!
brewerschick08 2 months ago
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@AntiRacismAndHateCom says: You have sex, you take the risk. And the fact that my tax dollars goes to pay for abortions is what really makes me mad.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ What makes me mad is that you morons dont know that your taxes arent paying for abortions, yet they are paying to house child molesters and you never bitch about THAT...is that because the molested child was born and you have no more concerns for it?
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@futurejockey8 I consider an egg and a sperm to be potential humans. They do not have individual human DNA, and one without the other is pretty much useless, so masturbating and menstration is far from "Genocide." (gimme a fuckin' break). Since when does the act of being born automatically transform the fetus into a human being? A human is an individual with human DNA. A member of our own species- When the egg and sperm come together that is just what they "create."
GenerationEpic90 6 months ago
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@CanadianFE says: What about the living human baby's choice for right and wrong?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ we once asked them that, and little buggers wouldnt answer us!! Does the prolife insanity ever end?
Sueezee1 1 year ago
Pregnancies must be interrupted with labors, not with abortions.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
THERE IS NO EXCUSE, EDUCATION COMES FIRST
BE SMART MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE STAY IN SCHOOL
TEENS ARE NOT READY YET FOR MOTHERHOOD!
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
Sharon Angle stands up for a rapist's right to become a father.
dontletthemdoit 1 year ago
WE HAVE TO STOP ABORTION!!!!! it is soooo horrible!
that baby IS living and scientists and us have proved it! so whats the difference of killing a human whether its inside or out? its wrong! please do not have an abortion and do the right thing.. at least give him up for adoption he deserves a life as u did!
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 the woman will still go through painful childbirth, and theres always a chance she'll die during birth. and women who get raped, and just want to live their life and not worry about carrying a baby, are they just supposed to wait it out?
damannameddan 1 year ago
@damannameddan actually theres a new thing nowadays called medicine 4 birth where they cant feel anything! and and i would dye then rather have my baby dye, b/c i already had a chance 2 live my life and my child deserves 2 have a life too!
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 says: i would dye then rather have my baby dye,
~~~~~~~~~ Arent you glad you have the CHOICE to do that? All women fell the same way about THEIR choice.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 yes i do! but i think its sad how the baby doesent get his choice 2 live or dye!
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 yeah it's life, but so is cancer... the fact that it's 'life' doesn't really mean anything. it doesn't even feel ANYTHING until like... week 22. it's not aware of it's own existence, it's not gonna care if it dies.
MzDark 1 year ago 2
@MzDark
so when does it gain the right to live?
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
@tpacemaker2 says: so when does it gain the right to live?
~~~~~~~~~~ When its born...when it gets the right with the title person and human being.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1
so you're saying that 5 minutes before a baby is born, it doesn't have the right to live, but when it pops out, it magically gains that right?
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
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@tpacemaker2 says: so you're saying that 5 minutes before a baby is born, it doesn't have the right to live, but when it pops out, it magically gains that right
~~~~~~~~~~ Do you REALLY have to ask me that question??? Youre in here debating and you dont know this??? Jesus christ... Take alittle pride in yourslef & the things you say!! how about alittle research BEFORE you speak?
Sueezee1 1 year ago
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@Sueezee1
You didn't answer the question...
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
@tpacemaker2 legally, when it's out of the womb. morally, that's for each one of us to decide and NOT impose our decision on other people.
MzDark 1 year ago 2
@MzDark
so you're saying that if someone thinks it is morally right to kill a nine-month old fetus, it's okay?
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
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@tpacemaker2 says: so you're saying that if someone thinks it is morally right to kill a nine-month old fetus, it's okay?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK to who? The person who has chosen to think its morally right...or to everyone else in the world? Morals are a personal choice, dumbass! Whats "ok" to one person isnt to another. There is NO set or moral rules we all can go by. Thats your damned problem, if everyone dosent think like you, then they are wrong.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@MzDark says: it's not aware of it's own existence,
~~~~~~~~~~ Irrational people cant get the gist of that idea. To them, a rice sized embryo is NO different than they are. They literally think it can plan, emote, rationalize, have memories.......... and do your taxes for you.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1
"They literally think it can plan, emote, rationalize, have memories.......... and do your taxes for you."
We know that a fetus can't plan or rationalize. We also know that a newborn baby (outside the womb) also can't plan, or rationalize. But somehow once it is born it gains the right to live...
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
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@tpacemaker2 says: We know that a fetus can't plan or rationalize. We also know that a newborn baby
~~~~~~~~~~ Of course it cant!!!! What in the hell does that have to do with my response to someone regarding how prolifers see a fetus as a born, full grown person?????
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1
We don't see it as a born full grown person. Your argument was that because a fetus can't rationalize, etc... they aren't considered a human. But I said that neither can babies (BUT WE CONSIDER THEM HUMANS). So it had everything to do with your response.
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
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@tpacemaker2 says: Your argument was that because a fetus can't rationalize, etc
~~~~~~~~~~ Youre a god damned LIAR. Show me where I said that! You CANT!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@MzDark no week 20, but they still know whats happening, because their brain has already started forming, and even if they couldnt feel it, it would still be wrong to KILL a human being more likely an infant. EVERYONE HAS A PLACE IN THIS WORLD! and abortion is just taking those childrens places away! to make more room 4 evil.
luvusa45 11 months ago
@luvusa45 No, sweetie, they don't know what's happening. They aren't aware of anything. Just because the brain has started to form, doesn't mean it's capable of thought or are aware of it's own existence. I suggest that you revise your comments before posting them. If it's wrong to kill something with no ability to feel pain, no awareness of its existence and whose life depends entirely on its host, why is it okay to kill a plant? They're essentially equal, except plants are independent beings.
MzDark 11 months ago
@MzDark oh i didn't know you remeber what is was like to be a baby in your mommy's tummy. and with your logic of since it doesn't understand its existence or awareness it okay to kill then lets just kill all of the handicap kids.
OguriShunLuver248 11 months ago
@luvusa45 alright, first of all dont call me honey cause i dont know u and thts just being immature and stupid. 2nd of all, u just literally compared a live human being to a plant... yeah.
and i HAVE actually researched and worked on this subject for awhile now i know what iam talking about i think u dont.
adter 20 weeks they can feel pain pain, and most woman have abortions b4 tht, and it doesent matter what time or how big, its a human being and its wrong ALL the way 2 kill one.
luvusa45 11 months ago
@luvusa45 says: its a human being and its wrong
~~~~~~~~~~~ No, its NOT a human being until birth, and its wrong according to who? YOU?
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 says="it's not a human being until birth, and it's wrong according to who ?YOU?"
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A judge ruled Scott Peterson was guilty of - TWO - murders.
(1) His wife
(2)Her UNBORN BABY!
So I guess your daughter IS guilty of MURDER according to the law ,,,,eh suzy?
ekajeht 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 Hey asshole murder is wrong! It's wrong according to GOD, and people who "actually" care about life. We don't take the easy way out and kill a innocent child when things get tough. PRO LIFE
sirchristian12 8 months ago
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@sirchristian12 says: Hey asshole murder is wrong! It's wrong according to GOD
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes it is...arent we glad he says NOTHING about abortion. so that makes it RIGHT! (smile)
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@sirchristian12
Okay first off, don't use the word "God" in a arguement. I am an agnostic, so I neither believe nor deny the existence of God, but since you cannot prove he exists, his word amounts to nothing in a arguement. You said that "We kill a innocent Child". Wrong again, do your research. A fetus is not a child. A child can breathe and move around on it's own. A fetus is a parasite that feeds and lives off of a woman's body, and she should not be forced to keep a parasite in her.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture Well good luck with all that lol
sirchristian12 8 months ago
@sirchristian12
Good luck with what? Common Sense? I don't need luck to live with Common Sense. ;D
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture No, good luck with believing in immorality, supporting killing babies. All I can say is, murder is wrong, when you decide to support that, then prepare to suffer the consequences either in this life or next.
sirchristian12 8 months ago
@sirchristian12
Okay, you didn't argue my point that a fetus isn't a baby, therefore I will assume that you agree with me. And if a Fetus isn't a baby, then it isn't a human, and if it isn't a human it isn't murder to kill it. Here's what ProLifers need to do. They need to let people live THEIR OWN lives the way they want to live it. Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't pretend that you can account for every situation for every female alive, because you can't.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture Fetus is human. Think what you want, but when YOU kill, prepare to suffer consequences.
sirchristian12 8 months ago
@sirchristian12
Okay, I will suffer the consequences of YOUR afterlife. But I have made the decision to suffer those consequences, (Though i don't believe there will be any consequences), and you don't have any right to interfere and tell any woman that they aren't allowed to do what they want with THEIR bodies. Leave that up to your God to judge, and keep it out of our law system.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture Just because you don't believe there will be no consequences, doesn't mean that it won't happen. I am supporting life, a baby's life. I know plenty of women with my views on abortion. So like I said before, good luck.
sirchristian12 8 months ago
@sirchristian12
In a recent survey, about 75% of ProLifers are men. So yeah, there are woman Pro Lifers. But a underwhelming minority. You didn't argue this next point, leave it up to your god to judge, and keep your religious views out of our law system. Don't like Gay Marriage? Don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't do them. And above all, Don't like Abortion? Don't get one, and don't prevent other people from getting one.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
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@TeensForTheFuture "Don't like Gay Marriage? Don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't do them. And above all, Don't like Abortion? Don't get one"
Don't like rape? Don't rape anyone. Don't like murder? Don't murder. Don't like theft? Don't steal... and don't prevent other people from raping, murdering, and stealing.
Do you see how ridiculous your logic is?
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
Rape and Murder effect other people. Gay Marraige does not effect you. Doing Marijuana does not effect you. Having an Abortion does not effect you. Comparing those to Rape and Murder is a fallacy. Now do you see how ridiculous YOUR logic is?
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture Having an abortion kills a human being. Of course it has an affect on another life. My logic is solid.
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
A fetus is not a human being yet, so your logic is flawed, and therefore not solid. You are the one stating that a Fetus is a Human Being, so therefore, you have to take the measures to prove that it is..
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture i disagree with you, it IS a human being. it's just not a person.
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@lambchopclmt
Sorry, thanks for pointing that out. It's more appropriate to say Person, and not Human Being.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture Of course a fetus is a human being. It's a living human organism, and you won't find any reputable biologist who will say otherwise. There is nothing to prove, this is plain scientific fact.
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
But is it a person? I made a huge mistake saying Human Being, I should've said Person. Why should we give Rights to something that isn't even a person? Unless you can prove that they can think and feel at the time of an Abortion, (They can think and feel during Partial-Term Abortions, but the topic at matter is regular Abortions), then you have no arguement.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture I'm sick of the whole "personhood" argument. It's an arbitrary philosophical debate on what defines "personhood." What is not in question though, is that a fetus is a human life, and abortion kills that life. Nobody could be an adult before being a teenager, or could be a adolescent before being a toddler/child, could be a toddler before being and infant, or could be an infant without first being a fetus. It's a required stage in life, regardless of personal definitions.
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
A fetus is a required stage in CREATING life, but is it life? Sperm isn't life, although it is needed in the process of creating life. Everybody agrees that at some point, a fetus is alive, and at the point Abortion becomes illegal. (Around five months). The law does not recognize the potential something has of becoming life, and you have yet to prove a fetus is alive. And if something isn't alive, why should we value that over an alive woman's choices?
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture We already went over this. A fetus us alive. This is something that everybody (everybody in the scientific field) agrees on. There is nothing to prove, this is biological fact. A sperm definitely is needed in the process of creating life, yes. But a sperm cell isn't a stage in life. It is not it's own life, and does not have it's own unique DNA code. It's an extension of the male body and only has the potential of creating life. An embryo/fetus on the other hand is life.
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
Also, you did not respond to my statement about Adoption, which leads me to conclude that I have beaten you in that Debate. I'll restate it though, in case ya missed it. Is Adoption a reliable solution to Abortion? Again, I already presented all my evidence on the matter, and you did not respond. (Also, I won't be on for the next week. Ironically, I'm going to D.C. for Nationals in Debate, so if I don't answer it probably means I don't have access to a computer.)
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture No, because you're using language to set up the debate in a dishonest way. "Is adoption a reliable solution to abortion?" That sets the premise that abortion is the standard norm, which it is not- like adoption, abortion is a solution for unwanted parenthood. So that's issue we that we're looking for a solution to. Sex is not mandatory, and it's not a right. There are many potential consequences to it, unwanted pregnancy being the most obvious (you know, with reproduction
Ju87s 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture bring the main purpose of sex). If one chooses to engage in sex, they understand that this is a very possible outcome and should take precaution against it by using contraceptive. Even with BC, it's still known that there's a chance of BC failure and that pregnancy still might happen. The main solution for this is for people to accept responsibility for their actions and understand that if they have sex, they very well could be responsible for being a parent.
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s
Is reproduction the main purpose of sex? In nature, yes. And if we lived like our ancestors, it would be the only reason. But nowadays, sex means so much more than just reproduction. It's about making yourself completely vunerable to a person you trust. It's giving them the ultimate gift. It's beautiful. And besides, it is NOT realistic to expect us to only have sex for reproduction, because that will NEVER happen. Because it'll never happen, women should have the option of Abortion.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture People who get pregnant and have abortions are not the ones having sex to give a beautiful ultimate gift to their their partners. They're the ones having sex casually for the recreation of it. That beautiful gift and vunerability you give some one when making love is for establishing a close bond, so that you have love for eachother, and the child you create from having sex. Ripping your unborn child apart and sucking his body out through a vacuum has nothing to do with beauty
Ju87s 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture but they can push the problems of "thier" body on a man since its your body then take care of the baby to . but its different when you have to take responsibility isnt it. oh yeah it is thier bodies the child and the mothers for nine months.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1
Okay, first off your spelling is horrible. Go back to the first grade. Second, It IS their bodies. A father doesn't need to have mood swings, cramps, random vomiting, sudden cravings, to gain LOTS of weight, to have swelling, and above all, he doesn't need to go through the excrutiating pain of childbirth. It is a woman's body, don't tell her that because of ONE mistake she has to suffer her whole life.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture but he has to take care of it like you said it didn't come from thier bodies so shit he shouldnt have to take care of it then right? and i like how you talked about spelling, its tftf im not in school any more and you are sure not a teacher.he doesnt have to have it but he sure as hell has to deal with it im not saying women do not go through alot to have children but you had sex, and just like you said just becuase her mistake she has to take the childs life away.so selfish.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture a man doesnt have to go through them but he sure has to deal and caterto the women who does.and cmon its youtube not school, your not a proffesor so stop.and one mistake is all it takes she knew the reprocussions and most women get more than one abortion anyways, trust me i know a few. so they still had sex and knew what would happen, and can always give the child to a loving family so, yeah your argument doesnt make sense.your just making your self sound selfish.
iamsofakingwetoddit1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1
And you make yourself sound like an idiot with no education when you spell horribly. I know this isn't school, but when I talk to people I show the common courtesy of using correct grammer, when you don't it shows that you really don't care and that you're sloppy. NO, a pregnant woman cannot always give a child to a loving family. SO many kids grow up in the foster care system without any adoptions. It's a horrible experience, and we should not put anyone through that.
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
@TeensForTheFuture So what you're saying is a child is better off dead than in foster care? Why not kill kids in the foster care system then?
I'm not aware of many infants in foster care. There is a high demand for infant adoption, to the point where we bring them in from China. So could you please give us the statistics about infants in foster care?
Ju87s 8 months ago
@Ju87s says: There is a high demand for infant adoption, to the point where we bring them in from China.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit...adopting overseas is ONLY a fad. . We have 300 new babies LIVING in NY hospitals because there are no adopters, let alone the number in other cities. Get educated
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@iamsofakingwetoddit1 says: most women get more than one abortion anyways, trust me i know a few.
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"MOST women get more then one abortion.....Trust me I know a FEW"? Sorry, but your knowledge of a "FEW", does NOT mean "Most".
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@sirchristian12 says: then prepare to suffer the consequences either in this life or next.
~~~~~~~~~ You people always play the "god" card when you dont have anything else. I can prove there is nothing in the bible concerning abortion being a sin or even wrong.. can you prove otherwise? No, you cant. So, your lying in the name of God.... You had better watch who your promoting "consequences in the next life" to, buddy! You could be number one of the faithful shit list!
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 Lying in the name of God? lol righhhtt. Your hostile, rude, think you know it all. I don't give a shit what you think, I don't care if you claim you win something lol, I don't care. Think what you want. You are a waste of time. When you comment I am not even going to bother what you said. Go support Infanticide, go support killing innocent life. lol
sirchristian12 8 months ago
@sirchristian12 says: Your hostile, rude, think you know it all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I DO know it all, and you KNOW I do... and thats whats ticking you off so badly, and im lovin it.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@sirchristian12 says: Lying in the name of God?
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Yep and you Just wait sweetie, your time will come..........
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@sirchristian12 says: murder is wrong!
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Yes it is...arent we glad abortion iSNT murder? LOL
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Sueezee1 no, abortion is not murder as of now. But it's still lawful homicide, which is the problem
Ju87s 8 months ago
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@Ju87s says: abortion is not murder as of now. But it's still lawful homicide,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hahhahahahahaha... homocide is an ILLEGAL act......so how can it be LEGAL/LAWFUL???? God bless the morons ( & keep them that way)>
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@sirchristian12 says: Hey asshole murder is wrong! It's wrong according to GOD,
~~~~~~~~~ God NEVER said abortion was murder...lolo..try some other lie in the name of God.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@sirchristian12 So your assuming god exists. Not all of us think that, and the law doesn't recognize it.
lambchopclmt 8 months ago
@luvusa45 says: EVERYONE HAS A PLACE IN THIS WORLD!
~~~~~~~~~~ yes, some are in prison, live in total poverty, institutes for the mentally ill, in abusive homes, etc, etc... when do you start caring about the kids?
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 i do care about kids more than anything, why do u think im debating for their life now? And the for everyone to live a life of poverty, and to go to jail, tht was their joice they chose to do wrong. But yes children tht are abused... its not fair! but is it fair tht they get killed?
luvusa45 11 months ago
@luvusa45 says: so whats the difference of killing a human whether its inside or out?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you telling me that youre in here talking about abortion and you dont know the answer to tthat???? Knowledge is power...get powerful.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 what?... im just explaining how abortion is bad; and there is NO difference of killing a baby inside or out!
luvusa45 1 year ago
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@luvusa45 says:what?... im just explaining how abortion is bad; and there is NO difference of killing a baby inside or out!
~~~~~~~~~~ What do you mean "what"??? And I KNOW what you were talking about...why in the hell do you think I answered like I did, if I didnt know? geeez
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@luvusa45 says abortion is bad
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its bad to who? YOU? Youre not the judge of wnats bad and what isnt for the people of the world. With 40 MILLION aboriton worldwide every yr...its seems to be pretty good to many
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 its bad to all of us! it effects all generations in the world by just killing 1 innocent baby! but hear we kill over a million! and think about it what good is it doing at all?
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 says: it effects all generations in the world by just killing 1 innocent baby
~~~~~~~~~~~ I Without running away from the question..i want you to tell us all how abortion, thats has been happening since the beginning of time, has affected the world.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1
So if someone says murdering an adult human is okay, they have the right to do so because that's within their morals??
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
@tpacemaker2 says: if someone is trying to murder an adult
human is ok, they have righ to do it because thats within their morals
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who in the hell said is was "OK"? I said... everyone has their OWN moral code, a nd if you cant comprehand what you read, then why frickin bother??
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1
You said that it is okay for someone to have an abortion if their morals tell them it's okay.
I pointed out that this is not a valid argument, because by this logic, someone can do anything they want if it is in accordance with there OWN morals...
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
@tpacemaker2 says: I pointed out its not a valid argument/someone can do anything they want with their own morals
~~~~~~~~ Thats EXACTLY the "valid argument". NO one can tell another person what to do with their body on a moral level, AND, people DO, do whatevr they want when it involves themselves. Geeeeeez, I dread your response!
Sueezee1 1 year ago 2
@Sueezee1
stop trying to be cute, you're just dodging the question...
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
@luvusa45 Amen!
TheProLifeDude 11 months ago
in the constitution it says you have the right to LIFE does it not
garrettholmes 1 year ago
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@garrettholmes says" in the constitution it says you have the right to LIFE does it not
~~~~~~~~~ Who is the Constitution talking and referring to? PEOPLE...and fetuses arent people. learn the laws or look foolish!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 hahaha u are hilarious! ur just throwing comments out tht arent true! look it up! and actually doctors have proved tht the fetus is alive from the time it is conceived in the womb!
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 says: look it up! and actually doctors have proved tht the fetus is alive from the time it is conceived in the womb!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I dont have to look anything up...i know it all, and of course fetuses are alive,.... show me where i said they wernt. LOLOl, you cant ...can you LIAR?
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 no but u said tht it didnt have a brain 2 think! and iam sick and tired of your rude comments! ok and you already know everything?? haha i dont think so! u definently havent proved u know everything! and stop commenting the things i have said, i already know what i said!
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 says Im sick & tried of your rude comments
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Which translates TO..I cant win fighting you on ths subject so I'll bitch about your attitude. I always win! LOLOL
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 hahha! think again, im a pro at debating! and all im trying 2 do is speak the truth on how abortion is bad!
luvusa45 1 year ago
@luvusa45 Im a pro at deabting
~~~~~~~~~~ Sure you are. Your ideas are so "right" that they made aboriton illegal..hahahahahah
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 ok abortion is killing an innocent human being, tht does not get the chance to speak for himself and has 2 dye no matter what!
luvusa45 1 year ago