It's not about 'hating the world' it's about not being 'conformed to the world'. As we can see on the new and around us contamination and evil God wants His people to show others His love for them. It's true so many 'religious' people are just saying things like 'hate the world' and 'don't go into it so you can stay pure' but many of them miss the point and don't even understand half things God is telling them. It's about sharing a hope that will last eternally even on this planet.
@Bratcipheo : Not every Christian believes that, and believing that is not what makes you a Christian anyway. The first part of Genesis tells us that God created everything. Some people think they've figured out how old the Earth is somehow using that. Which is fine. Others of us simply don't care.
Slavery was once a reality. It no longer is, or at least not here in the US.
Murder, rape, and destruction are realities of life, yes.
Yes, not every christian believes that part from the bible, therefore they pick and choose.
And you missunderstood, the bible didnt mention murder, rape and slavery, god dictates it as justice, when certain criteria are right.So you think its just?
And the bible doesn't prove that god exists, because there is no proof the bible is right.The bible says its right, because the bible says it the word of god, it uses its own claims as proof for its claims.That is irrational.
@Bratcipheo : That the Earth is 6,000 years old or whatever is what is known as a doctrine. People have relied on their own minds to try and figure that out. We are not to lean on our own understanding.
As a perfect being, and the One in charge, God has the right to decide what action is justifiable in what situation. God has the right to take a life or spare a life, whereas no fallable human being has any such right.
But you choose to believe him, you choose him to be true.You want him to be reality.
A perfect being?We two are both more moral that god that is shown in the bible, since he cherishes human sacrifice, murder, child abuse, baby killing, racism.
Wake up, your book was written by those ruthless dictators of that time, hence the ruthless god.
The only thing to back the bible up, is the bible itself. You have to acknowledge that flawed logic.
@Bratcipheo : I can't prove to you that Jesus Christ exists. It's called faith, and you have to find it for yourself. As much as I wish I could, I can't give it to you.
God is perfect. Everything He does is just. He is neither ruthless nor immoral.
Logical or not, the Bible is reality. It is the true word of God.
@Bratcipheo : I cannot give you faith in Jesus Christ. You have to find it for yourself.
Yes, a perfect being. God is perfectly justified and moral in everything that He does and every decision that He makes. He is neither ruthless nor immoral.
Logical or not, the Bible is reality. It is the true word of God.
Infact, there are several religions like yours, where they have their "book" with all the eternal truths, yet you choose them to be false; while they choose your book to be false.
You are the same as me, there are so many religions you dont believe in, i just have one more religion i dont believe in than you.
God is not just, he's cruel.
The bible cannot be the proof for god, because there is no proof for the bible's claims to be true!
He is cruel because he has demanded human sacrifice, told soldiers to kill infants and unborn children, he has killed millions in the bible.Havent you read all these parts?
@Bratcipheo : It is God's right to make those kinds of decisions. Death is the opposite of life. God is all about life, but He had to conquer death first.
I did not respond to the rest of your statement because things like that are taken on faith. I have that, you don't.
So you say that anything he does, is just, because he created everything and then has the right to choose what is right wrong?okay, fair.Then:If go would ask you to sacrifice a baby to him, would you do it?(The bible says he demands such things)
Because of faith?Thats is true, faith is to believe in something, for which there is no evidence.Then how can you say that you KNOW it?When you actually just THINK you know it.The bible is no proof, its all based on blind faith.
@Bratcipheo : God does not demand things like that anymore thanks to the blood of Christ. But if I were to live in Old Testament times, then I would do what was asked of me. Sounds horrible, I know, but I'm just trying to be honest with you.
But if he would, you'd do it.You're sick.You cannot think of your own, youre like a child that is to afraid to make its own moral choices.
And i thought god was perfect, why did he create a sacrifce system, and then change it later, by sacrificing himself, to himself, so that he gets satisfied, how sick is that?Was he bound by his own rules?I thought god was omnipotent and not bound by any rules.
It just sounds like some story people invented back then, nothing more.
@Bratcipheo : God's rules haven't changed. In order to be welcomed into Heaven someday, we must be perfect. That is the standard. And that standard hasn't changed. But God knows that we could never live up to that standard. So, because He loves us, Jesus Christ offered Himself as the ultimate blood sacrifice, therefore allowing God to look upon us as if we were without sin and welcome us into Heaven with open arms.
You are just telling me what you've been told yourself, you don't even understand it yourself, what you say is illogical and nonsense.
The idea of god is:He is omnipotent and perfect. But he "corrected" something later in history, because he saw that his previous method wasn't working.Do you understand?It defies what a god is, it makes flawed.
You don't doubt anything.That is dangerous.If you dont doubt, you dont think, you are a marionette.No free will, so very sad.
@Bratcipheo : If I didn't understand it, I wouldn't say it. I spent a period of about three years questioning and doubting my faith. God didn't "correct" anything, he simply put His plan into action.
@Bratcipheo : I had grown up being taught about God. But during high school I was dealing with some harsh realities in my life that made me wonder. Thankfully, God waited for me until I was ready to come back to Him.
If you allready have doubted it once, how can you then say that you know that he exists with 100% certainty, what you actually should be saying is this:
I think that god most likely exists.
And didn't wonder how i knew that it was a period where your life was hard?Well, i know how the human mind works.
Im honest, i know nothing with absolut certainty, in fact, noone does, its impossible, we are humans, our senses are deceived easely.Yours were once too, why not again?...
@Bratcipheo : Again, it's a matter of faith, which I cannot give you, you have to find it yourself. But I've put all my trust in God. I don't have to save myself, Jesus Christ already took care of that.
Did you just answer my question?..when you say its a matter of faith, what does that exactly mean? does it mean:I have no proof, but i hope/believe its the truth.
Or does it mean:"I know its the truth for absolute certainty, there is no way that my believe could ever be wrong in any way at all.
@Bratcipheo : It means that I have not seen God face to face, but I believe that He is there. The difference here is that if my beliefs are wrong, no big deal. I'll be dead, so I won't care. If yours are wrong, then you're completely screwed. And yes, I know that you think that to be rather childish, but the Bible says that we are to begin our relationship with God like a child, so that's not a problem.
Wrong.If you are wrong, it has huge impacts.I've talked with countless of believers and they all say the same.They dont want to stop global warming, they dont care for hunger and missery, animals that are going extinct, they dont care, because it will burn anyway in armageddon soon.The only thing that matters is faith in god, not how you help the world, since the world is inferior to their belief.
Thats why if youre wrong, your kind are dangeous assholes.
@Bratcipheo : As Christians, we are to help out our fellow human being in any way that we can. And I'm very nearly convinced that nobody loves animals as much as I do. We are not to look down on the world as if we are somehow superior to the rest of creation. If you ever meet someone who claims to be a Christian and yet has a "holier than thou" attitude, RUN!
Its not a lie, you are the first christian to tell me this.They think to help the world is futile, only heaven and faith is important.Maybe you weren't a real christian all along:Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight"
and:If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you John 15: 19.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2: 15
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matt 6: 33
As you see, love not the world, but have only faith, because what truely matters is in heaven.These words come from the Bible, they come from what you claim to be from God.Do you see the stupid Bible says you're wrong?
You're better than this book.You're morals are higher and they often contradict with the sick morals of that book, and i know you can see it.Stop looking away.I believe in humans, not in paper.Christians tend to only think of heaven, while they dont like the world.They look away from its problems, they only need their faith.Jesus says that.You're better than this, i know it.But it takes courage to stand alone, but humans arent alone.THis world is heaven and hell, and we choose(3/3)
@Bratcipheo : Jesus also said to love one another as He loves us. It is very clear to me that you do not understand these passages. We are to be in the world, but not of the world. That means to not let Satan trap us into thinking that this world is all there is. We love the world when we fall in love with the material items that we have.
It is clear to me, that you dont understand it as other christians do. Thats the funny thing about it, you all have a different version about your god, but say its exactly the same, when its clearly not.As i said, each of you have a different version.I you dont realise it. What about armageddon?Why should christians care for animals?they have no souls?You nearly have the morals of an atheist, but dont realise it.I say nearly, because you would kill a baby.and i would never.
@Bratcipheo : Christians do not disagree on the important matters. There are really very few places in the Bible that can actually be disputed. All Christians believe that Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ in a manger, that Jesus grew up and preached for three years, that He was crucified, resurrected three days later, and that His blood sets us free from Satan's chains. That is the core of Christianity.
Everything or nothing, else you cannot say that the bible is your proof for god.(Which you cannot do anyway, God exists because the bible says so, the bible is the truth because its gods word, gods word is the truth because the bible says so.Like:I am right because i say so.
But look, im not trying to disproof god here.But make you realise that your relationship to god is purely emotional and subjective, bit like love.Love can make blind, hence so many gods in humanity.
Yet the knowledge of the "someday" is based on your current state only, the state of pure emotion.
Just because i feel like ill be the king of the world someday, wont make me the king of the world someday.
It also explains why you accept gods flaws, when you're in love with humans, you are much more likely to accept his/her flaws and imperfections, moreover, the person you love is perfect.Emotion distorts vision, i dont say emotions are always bad, it depends.
@Bratcipheo : That's what real love is. Accepting someone's flaws. But in God's case, those flaws are non-existent. The only way Jesus Christ would have been able to take on the sins of the world is if He were without flaw. You only see flaws because you think you are above God and/or you don't understand what you have read in the Bible.
Silly, i have read the bible and have been educated about Christianity when i had to confirm.I know what im talking about, its not something i dont know about.
Real love is not looking away.A woman being beaten by his husband and keeps staying with him, thats not real love, thats blind love.
And you keep trying to tell me that he has no flaws, because what seem like flaws, cannot be flaws since his perfect.But the bible says hes perfect.AND THAT BOOK IS FALSE!Ihas no proof
@Bratcipheo : The problem here is that you cannot claim to be an authority on God when you've already established that you don't know God. You are trying to write a review on a movie you haven't seen.
It's like saying:You cannot judge a murderer when arent a murderer yourself.
Or:You cannot say that drugs like heroine is bad, when you havent tried heroine yourself.
What youre saying to me is:You have to embrace our insanity and become insane yourself.
I CAN judge you and what you think god is.I think god is a illusion of the human mind, therefore im only writing a review on that illusion, therefore im qualified.
" God is not an illusion" that statement is only backed up by one thing, emotion, as i have told you.An illusion from that book.
Didnt you get my juju story?Just because you claim something,doesnt make it true, you claim god to be true.But its unlogical and immoral from my point of view.
"As i've said many times, INSANITY is not something that i can give you, fortunately"
As what you should have written.The difference between our beliefs?You would kill babies, i would not.
You cannot take your word back.If it were old times, you would.
Also, saying that god is good, because he isnt bad now, is so dumb.
Imagine Hittler saying back in the war:i know i've killed millions of innocient people, well, sry for that, ill sacrifice my child and now, please forget about it.
And the other countries and families of the killed ones:Oh, okay,Well then you're nice.
Come on.My point is:You would obey an athority with power and commit evil.I think, you dont.
and that blood sacrifice even was required once, is sick, sick sick.And slavery etc. And you want to tell me that this is the beautiful truth?My world is a hundred times more beautiful that yours.
Yeah, back then, i might really kill someone.But not because someone told me to, i have my own morals and that is what i follow and they are superior to those of your god.
Firstly, saying that god has right to do what he wants just because its his creation is wrong.
Parents cannot torture their own children either, or pets.And now the big point:
If God actually would exist, for real, and came to me and said:Sacrifice your family or burn in hell.
Well you keep repeating yourself, if god doesnt exist, your whole point would be invalid.Lets forget it and do a mind opener, answer the questions rather that will come rather simply please:
Would you agree that the idea of the devil/satan, is that he tries to make humans commit evil and does not stop at anything to achieve this?By any means?That he will try to deceive humans, so that they commit sin and go to hell?
Then would you agree that God gave humans a thinking mind and a free will?So that me may choose in our life, between good and evil, and when making the right choices(the good ones) awarded with heaven.That he created us in his image, so that we may see the difference between good and evil, while being free(free will).
Then the mind opening story:Imagine a world, where god gives his creation a free will and the ability to see right and wrong, because we are made in his image.
But he does not intervene, he only observes and hopes that his creation makes the right choices, his guidance lies within us, we have our free will.Some people make it heaven, some do not.
Most people are deceived by Satan, who is the ultimate evil, he stops at nothing to deceive.What does he do?(1/3)
He has the ultimate idea, he claims himself to be god, he appears before humans and deceive them.He gives them books filled with immorality, he orders sacrifice, kills thousands, all in the name of God, these pure humans think he is God.All of humanity gets a distorted vision from this false god, he appears before them, with different versions, so that they fight against each other.Satan knows they will.They kill each other in the name of god, but the real god only watches.(2/3)
THe real god hopes that humans, with free will and a mind(created in his image) is able to see this self proclaimed god, as a false god.Satan needs to make commercials and rules, because humans arent his creation, whilethe real god does not.His rules and commercial lies within humans themself, there own morals, are gods morals.
Do you see where i am going?Satan would stop at nothing.
HOW do you know that the God you believe in, the book you believe in, isnt from satan? (3/3 ->4)
That you wont go to hell?Satan is inferior to God, therefore he makes rules and commercials.How do you know you arent blindly believing satans lies?
The most important thing is not The bible, quoran, god.But your free will, your inner moral that is born with you.The one from god.The one in humans.Not the one on paper.Not the commercial one.
So how do you really know?think about this, really think consider this story, whether you believe it or not.(4/4)
So you did not understand my story at all? Your mind is that shallow? since...
You counter my whole story, with knowledge from the bible. But i said, WHAT IF THE BIBLE WERE TO BE FROM SATAN? And you say:The bible is not from satan, the bible says so.
Ofcause the bible says so, if it were to be written by satan!
Yet more simple:I say:
What if the bible lies?
You say: The Bible says it does not.
I mean, great, its blind faith.With emphasis on blind.
@Bratcipheo : Satan hates Jesus Christ. Why would he give us to Jesus Christ, when he wants to tear us away from Jesus Christ? That doesn't make sense. Satan doesn't care if we believe that he exists or not. He just wants our soul. He doesn't want us to live forever in eternal bliss, he wants us to join him in his misery.
We know the difference between God and Satan because God always accomplishes everything He sets out to do. Satan may succeed from time to time, but he often fails.
That:1.Satan hates jesus. 2.That satan wants to tear us from jesus. 3.That god accomplsishes everything.
4.That satan often fails.
These things you tell me here, they arent something presented your right before your eyes from an angel you know?This knowledge, these facts, are something you heard from other humans.Something other humans wrote unto paper.
If Satan indeed wrote the bible, then jesus would also have been fake and all those who thought that were to get to (1/2
heaven, were actually going to hell.That was the point of my story.To SHOW you, that the facts you KNOW might ALL be LIES.
But there is only one thing that is never a lie, yourself.That you have inner morals.I wanted to show you the possibilities of those morals, that cannot be fake.
No fact in the Bible will ever disproof the likelyhood of this story, the only thing that counters it, is blind faith.
@Bratcipheo : Satan did not write the Bible. There is no hope in Satan. There is only hope in Jesus Christ, who guided the writing of the Bible. The Bible says that Satan works even to deceive the elect if that were possible. The phrase "if that were possible" suggests that it is not possible.
If Jesus were fake, Satan would also be fake. You cannot have good without evil. Both are alive and well in their respective domains.
Okay i give up on you. Your vision is blurred, you lack imagination and the ability to see beyond the wall.
I suggest you watch movie, do not fear, its not some kind of anti god movie or anything, some might acutally say its for god.Either way, its a very funny but also good movie.
Try watching the trailer and rent the movie, i promise you its good.
"The invention of lying" Its about a world where noone can lie, but one man alone figures out how.
And, nah, you dont really see beyond the wall.What was it you said to me?I cannot judge/understand god when im not a christian?Then how can you say that you're able to perceive a world without god, when you claim you feel him all the time?But nvm, im more interested why you dont lack what you see beyond the wall.
Im quite content with it and think its rather beautiful.
@Bratcipheo : Beyond the wall, I see a Godless world that is headed for trouble. People don't seem to know what is right and what is wrong anymore. I don't deny that there is much good in the world, but I have encountered so much spiritual unhealthiness because people have turned their back on their relationship with Jesus Christ, and have forgotten how precious they are in His eyes.
You didnt actually mention anything bad, you only mentioned:"i see lack of faith"
"i see they dont believe what i believe".I know what is right and wrong, i have my own morals.I insist you to show me where my morals are bad, where they hurt other humans or anything. It's not possible of you to find these things in me, you will only find that i dont believe in god.
And i give you a tip, ask me more accurately, before you assume my morals with prejudice.As i also asked you.
Which means sole single difference is personal salvation, it's selfish. It has nothing to do with saving others (you save others with god), it's just not the core.The core is eternal self-preservation.I understand why people like this, but that doesn't change that it's core is selfish. While my core is making the world the best place there is, giving it the full attention.
In your reality, you go to heaven or hell.
In mine, you live on eternally in your children.We are one.
Which means sole single difference is personal salvation, it's selfish. It has nothing to do with saving others (you save others with god), it's just not the core.The core is eternal self-preservation.I understand why people like this, but that doesn't change that it's core is selfish. While my core is making the world the best place there is, giving it the full attention.
In your reality, you go to heaven or hell.
In mine, you live on eternally in your children.We are one.
@Bratcipheo The core of Christianity is about recognizing that you are fallen, and only God can save you. Once saved, you then are to spend your life bringing the message-- unselfishly-- to others.
@Bratcipheo : The BIble says that we are to begin our relationship with God like children. A baby isn't worried about others. They are worried about receiving. Our personal salvation has to be taken care of first before we can not have to worry about eternal punishment, before we can grow up and learn how to minister to others. It is selfish, but that's the way babies are until they learn how to do for others. I have taken care of my punishment. Now I work to learn how to minister to others.
But in my eyes you are the child?Do you realize that?
I know that you would feel kinda sad for someone believing in Zeus, because it's obviously not the truth.Multiple deity's, its too unlikely, its obviously false.
The eyes you give those, where you want to open there eyes, from the false religion, to let them see the truth, those are the eyes i give you.
You are like them.I have figured out my personal salvation, something you cannot see.It just doesn't lie with god.
@Bratcipheo : Yes, I realize that. And that's okay. 1) I don't care what you think of me, and 2) I am a child. I am my parent's child, and I am God's child.
Salvation without God is not salvation. It is slavery to Satan.
When i say "fathom" it means understanding one's being, beliefs, reasons for those beliefs as well or even better than that person himself.
You do certainly not fathom my beliefs, you dont even know them.I can teach you what i belief, but i cannot teach you to understand it.And you do not see.You do not fathom.You are in darkness, clinging to a strain of hope.
@Bratcipheo : You're right, I don't know your beliefs concerning things like abortion or the death penalty. But you've made your beliefs about God perfectly clear.
You and I probably think the same about Allah, you are like me in that matter, but i just dont stop at Allah, god's in general a flawed.Am i right that you think that Odin, thor, zeus, Ra, Allah, etc. and those millions who believed in them, were wrong?Even though you know that they believed in them with absolute certainty, just like you, you dont pay heed to their way of salvation or sins.I do the same as you do.Just with all gods.Thats the difference.
Then i am astonished that you cannot see the similarities between you and them.You act as your religion is different.
If Religion were to be a cube, your religion would just be another point of the same cube (same lie), with another color.All those dots on that cube, try to defy each others religion and to convert them.
@Bratcipheo : I can see how there might be similarities. My main thing is that in this particular point in time I tend to focus on those with no God whatsoever rather than those with a different god.
I see, so you think i have to be saved? ( i know you do, but i mean right now, to make my life better this moment)
Do you think i am unhappy?Angry against god? Afraid?Does it seem like a lack certainty and strength?None of those things apply to me.
If i were to meet you in real life, i would give you a hug and show you the power of the human heart; that you aren't alone, that we're all together, one family, forever; so that you wouldn't need a fairy tail anymore.
@Bratcipheo : This world is what it is. We have to make the best of what we've got. The only way faith in God would make your life better right now is giving you the hope of eternal bliss. Faith serves you best only when you're on the other side.
I would return that hug. I'm a physical person. But I would still hang onto my faith.
The only way faith in god would make my life better, is the hope of eternal bliss?
I thank you, that you're honest and actually understand me a little.I'm glad.But did you know?I already have eternal bliss, ill tell you how
All humans, animals, plants, Life, have the same origins, we are the same, we are all one.We are all one family, connected.You cannot die, as long as Life exists, you are not dead.You are life, life is you.You are the world, the world is you.We are one.
You think its beautiful?I'm surprised, up until now Christians told me it's foolish to love the world, i should only have faith in God, since this ugly world would burn anyway.
Probably wont get me on gods side, nor on odins, or allahs.
But you should know by now; gods aren't real for me.
All there is, is us. If i need comfort, i look at life around me, i don't cling to an afterlife to save me, i dont avert my eyes from the world i see.
@Bratcipheo : There's nothing wrong with imagining a perfect world. And I'm a hopeless romantic anyway. The danger is in falling in love with material items.
@Bratcipheo Christians tell you we should "hate the world?" But "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." It's not the WORLD Christains hate. If, as we claim, Christians are to be conformed into the image of Christ, Jesus (who is GOD incarnate to Christians) would love the people of the world. What these Christians should relate is that it's the spirit of the world that is antagonistic to GOD.
Christians form of faith is God is surprisingly diverse and they keep contradicting each other in their faith, mostly without them noticing the core differences; just like the Bible itself holds huge self contradicting messages.Each single religious person has his own religion inside his head, with his own rules, ideals and god, while claiming they've found the ultimate truth, for everyone else as well.
you seem to misunderstand me here, i didnt mean contradictions in scripture itself (although that also exists), i meant the contradicting interpretations and beliefs of those he claim to understand the bible.
Most people will find the bible very straightforward and clear in its message, like an iron wall, but when you compare the interpretation from everyone, then they contradict each other on a massive scale, their religion is just personal thing in their heads, different for all
@Bratcipheo "(although that also exists)" *grin* So I say again, find me one to refute for you!
Except that it isn't different for all; that why there have been councils convened and creeds composed, so that at least within a denomination there is consistency. Living the Christian life is a learning experience based on observation and humble learning, not just deciding for oneself what something is or means.
I see you have been picking some points from my comments that are months ago.I dislike discussing in youtube comments, since i tend to go all out, which is hard with these limits.Better write me a private message.
You say your beliefs arent different at all?How absurd, allow me to be arrogant, but i think i have talked with more christians about god than you, their beliefs are as diverse as there is sand.
If you want to discuss this, send me a pm, with a proper reason why im wrong
@Bratcipheo Seeing as how I am a Christian and have known Christians all my life, and indeed been brought up by as fine a pair of Christians (a pastor and a teacher) as anyone could hope to meet (though naturally with their flaws; they're only human), and also under the impression that I've lived a bit longer than you (correct me if I'm wrong; I'm 44) I rather doubt you've spoken with more Christians about God than I have.
The Internet is wondrous thing. It enables you to talk and write with people all over the world, at the same time, at a high pace.
Well, your reason didnt really sound like a proper reason, but merely as your personal opinion, which just fits my point that each have their personal belief, although similar, slightly different, so you would ofcause also have an opinion that im ... simply "wrong".
But why so?How exactly can you prove that your belief is the same as your fellow mans?
@Bratcipheo Innit? I've almost forgotten how we found out anything before it came along; and I was around a good long while before it did!
I didn't give a reason for anything; I illustrated why it's more likely that I've spoken to more Christians about God than you have. Not an opinion, just a supposition, and one I'm willing to drop if it turns out not to be true.
When I asked you what you called a "proper" reason, I was referring to your remark, "with a proper reason why im wrong."
And when i replied "your reason didnt really sound like a proper reason, but merely -etc" i meant it as a reply to "with a proper reason why im wrong". It wasn't meant as a reply to how many people you've talked about god with.
As comments are short, im cutting my sentences short aswell and misunderstandings naturally occur, as you can see.
The problem was the definition of proper, but its target. This:
"Well, your reason didnt really sound like a proper reason, but merely as your personal opinion, which just fits my point that each have their personal belief, although similar, slightly different, so you would ofcause also have an opinion that im ... simply "wrong"."
Was not meant to target your experience with other believers, but to why you dont have a different belief than your fellow believers.
we got a bit confused there, i think all it comes down to is that i was unsatisfied with your explanation, it lacked depth and reason in my eyes, which you may be able to present to me with more space.Else we'll just continue to mingle with words.
To give you a start:I say that each christian has their own religion, has their own view of what they believe in exactly, it seems the same, but is obscured.
@Bratcipheo I promise I'll get into this discussion with you (rather looking forward to it, in fact) as soon as you furnish me with your definition of the word "proper."
@Bratcipheo What do you think is the real issue? It may only be a subjective notion of yours. As for refreshing your memory, all you need to do is scroll up and read our prior remarks.
@Bratcipheo Not to sound infantile, but I did, after all, ask you first. And as it was you who initiated this discussion, the first throw should go to you regarding the underlying topic.
Lets say i found a old book with the great Ju-Ju.And i tell you the great ju-ju says he's the real god, and he's perfect.And he likes to eat children and wants humans to eat every third child they get.
And you say:Dont eat your children, thats immoral, its sick, why do you believe the juju?
I say:The book says Ju-Ju is perfect, therefore i believe he's perfect, so i have to eat chidren, hes the real god, since that book says he is.His moral is higher.
@Bratcipheo God never said any of those things were right or justified. The extermination visited upon, for instance, the Canaanites was not a premeditated act of malice, but simply the way conquest was achieved in those days; unpleasant but true.
Rape? You're kidding. Never advocated. Ever.
What do you mean by "slavery?" Someone taken against his will from his people and beaten into submission whenever disobedient, probably.
@Bratcipheo That sort of slavery is mentioned in Scripture, of course, as when the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians and Babylonians, but most often the sort of slavery spoken of is indentured servitude. Many passages which use the word "slave" would be just as accurate using the word "servant."
incredibly moving video and soundtrack. thanks so much for all your work in sharing this with all of us. God bless you, and praise His name for your talents.
If you would like to learn Hebrew FREE, I know a great site-Hebrew 4 Christians-just google it. It is FREE and has SOUND. To learn the language of the kingdom is a blessing. Hebrew 4 Christians is geared to adults who have never studied a language. John Parsons is a talented and Patient teacher. You can start as simply as the alphabet, it has a glossary and much more. I like the daily site blog that tells of the upcoming Shabbat and Jewish Holidays. Shalom!
Its incredible how i can feel two so tense emotions from the same video, one loving this song so much and the other emotion be the strong disgust for the theme of the video.Not because its bad, its remarkable, the story leaves me in awe, no, its because people think that this is real.
But would i have the slightest religious spark in me, this would be sure to ignite the fires of faith.
But luckily i am free of those mentality disorders.
@Bratcipheo You poor soul. Satan has blinded your eyes, least you see with your eyes believe in your heart and be converted. I pray for you now, that you will come to know the love of the Father and recieve the free gift purchased by the blood of His dear Son for the redemption of humankind and to know true peace of one whose sins have been washed away by that very blood. In name of the Lord Jesus Christ...Amen. Glad for your post to know you are out there.
That is were you're wrong.'knowing' something could be wrong, because you are human, you aren't perfect.'Feelings' however can never be wrong, i will never doubt that you feel god and his love.
You do indeed feel him.
But indeed, you do not 'know' that he exists for certainty, humans cannot do such a thing, as we aren't gods; we can only 'think' and 'estimate' that something is most likely true, our minds cannot grasp anything for absolute certainty.
I see, so you believe in an 8000 year old earth?In human sacrifice?That slavery is right?That you shall stone women till they die, should they sleep with another man?
@Bratcipheo : That the earth is 6,000 years old is not a Biblical doctrine. And, quite frankly, I couldn't care less how old the Earth is.
I do not believe that slavery is right, and neither does God. God used that experience many times as a teaching tool, but He does not condone it. If He did condone it, He would have left the Israelites in Egypt.
Thanks to the blood of Christ, death for disobedience is no longer necessary.
@SummerSunshine1988 There is no "no longer" Either you believe everything the bible says or nothing, god said: "Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives ravished(raped)...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18 Here you can read about how to buy, sell and find slaves:(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) This is what your bible says.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Awesome Video, I love the sound track and the scenes. It quickens the Spirit in those of us who call Him Savior. Now if we could only hold onto our passion and commitment to Him who has saved us past this video, past the worship hour at church, past our prayer time, and carry His Love out to our families, our friends, our co-worker, our neighbors and all of those in our life. It is possible! Just keep saying yes Lord every time he puts a request on your heart and watch as His Love changes lives!
wow great story of jesus life amazing portrayel of how jesus lived and how he used his power and great love for us to save us from the fires of hell I hope you make more videos because you are very good at it
you guys discussing down there should meet and discuss all this discussions personally...
lol
katykel100 3 months ago
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though i cant understand shit they are saying..i love this song....there is just something about it
MsRamodi 8 months ago
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MsRamodi 8 months ago
Because He's the only one that doesn't pass away
- heh, sorry it couldn't finish it in my last comment....xD
xXxEmilsaxXx 9 months ago
It's not about 'hating the world' it's about not being 'conformed to the world'. As we can see on the new and around us contamination and evil God wants His people to show others His love for them. It's true so many 'religious' people are just saying things like 'hate the world' and 'don't go into it so you can stay pure' but many of them miss the point and don't even understand half things God is telling them. It's about sharing a hope that will last eternally even on this planet.
xXxEmilsaxXx 9 months ago
No words...
Meggraziani 10 months ago
Beautiful:)) Thanx you
malakh400 1 year ago
If you take genesis literary, and put everything else into a timeline, the earth is round 6-10 thousand years old.
The bible has whole passages on how to treat, buy and sell slaves.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
He also dictated murder, rape and destruction:Isa 13:16-18
This is what your bible says, you believe in all these immoral things?The myths?
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Not every Christian believes that, and believing that is not what makes you a Christian anyway. The first part of Genesis tells us that God created everything. Some people think they've figured out how old the Earth is somehow using that. Which is fine. Others of us simply don't care.
Slavery was once a reality. It no longer is, or at least not here in the US.
Murder, rape, and destruction are realities of life, yes.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Yes, not every christian believes that part from the bible, therefore they pick and choose.
And you missunderstood, the bible didnt mention murder, rape and slavery, god dictates it as justice, when certain criteria are right.So you think its just?
And the bible doesn't prove that god exists, because there is no proof the bible is right.The bible says its right, because the bible says it the word of god, it uses its own claims as proof for its claims.That is irrational.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : That the Earth is 6,000 years old or whatever is what is known as a doctrine. People have relied on their own minds to try and figure that out. We are not to lean on our own understanding.
As a perfect being, and the One in charge, God has the right to decide what action is justifiable in what situation. God has the right to take a life or spare a life, whereas no fallable human being has any such right.
It is called being self-evident.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
But you choose to believe him, you choose him to be true.You want him to be reality.
A perfect being?We two are both more moral that god that is shown in the bible, since he cherishes human sacrifice, murder, child abuse, baby killing, racism.
Wake up, your book was written by those ruthless dictators of that time, hence the ruthless god.
The only thing to back the bible up, is the bible itself. You have to acknowledge that flawed logic.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I can't prove to you that Jesus Christ exists. It's called faith, and you have to find it for yourself. As much as I wish I could, I can't give it to you.
God is perfect. Everything He does is just. He is neither ruthless nor immoral.
Logical or not, the Bible is reality. It is the true word of God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I cannot give you faith in Jesus Christ. You have to find it for yourself.
Yes, a perfect being. God is perfectly justified and moral in everything that He does and every decision that He makes. He is neither ruthless nor immoral.
Logical or not, the Bible is reality. It is the true word of God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I don't choose anything. Jesus Christ is reality.
God is perfectly justified and moral in everything that He does. He is neither ruthless nor immoral. Every decision He makes, He has a right to.
Again, it's called being self-evident.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I don't choose anything. Jesus Christ is reality.
God is perfectly justified and moral in everything that He does. Every decision that He makes, He has a right to. He is neither ruthless nor immoral.
Again, it's called being self-evident. Just like you are evidence that you exist, the Bible is evidence of the things written in it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
human make choices all the time.
Infact, there are several religions like yours, where they have their "book" with all the eternal truths, yet you choose them to be false; while they choose your book to be false.
You are the same as me, there are so many religions you dont believe in, i just have one more religion i dont believe in than you.
God is not just, he's cruel.
The bible cannot be the proof for god, because there is no proof for the bible's claims to be true!
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Why is God cruel?
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Out of all i said, this is what you reply on?...
He is cruel because he has demanded human sacrifice, told soldiers to kill infants and unborn children, he has killed millions in the bible.Havent you read all these parts?
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : It is God's right to make those kinds of decisions. Death is the opposite of life. God is all about life, but He had to conquer death first.
I did not respond to the rest of your statement because things like that are taken on faith. I have that, you don't.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So you say that anything he does, is just, because he created everything and then has the right to choose what is right wrong?okay, fair.Then:If go would ask you to sacrifice a baby to him, would you do it?(The bible says he demands such things)
Because of faith?Thats is true, faith is to believe in something, for which there is no evidence.Then how can you say that you KNOW it?When you actually just THINK you know it.The bible is no proof, its all based on blind faith.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : God does not demand things like that anymore thanks to the blood of Christ. But if I were to live in Old Testament times, then I would do what was asked of me. Sounds horrible, I know, but I'm just trying to be honest with you.
The spirit knows things the mind cannot.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
If you would indeed sacrifice a baby, because book of unknown origins says so, on blind faith, then i cannot help you.
I actually fear you, i fear your kind as i fear those religious terrorists.
You have no morals, you are a pawn, you do what others dictate you to, even if its paper.Paper is more worth for you then people and your own mind.
Your blind faith is dangerous.You are dangerous.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : You can relax. God doesn't demand blood sacrifice anymore.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
But if he would, you'd do it.You're sick.You cannot think of your own, youre like a child that is to afraid to make its own moral choices.
And i thought god was perfect, why did he create a sacrifce system, and then change it later, by sacrificing himself, to himself, so that he gets satisfied, how sick is that?Was he bound by his own rules?I thought god was omnipotent and not bound by any rules.
It just sounds like some story people invented back then, nothing more.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : God's rules haven't changed. In order to be welcomed into Heaven someday, we must be perfect. That is the standard. And that standard hasn't changed. But God knows that we could never live up to that standard. So, because He loves us, Jesus Christ offered Himself as the ultimate blood sacrifice, therefore allowing God to look upon us as if we were without sin and welcome us into Heaven with open arms.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
You are just telling me what you've been told yourself, you don't even understand it yourself, what you say is illogical and nonsense.
The idea of god is:He is omnipotent and perfect. But he "corrected" something later in history, because he saw that his previous method wasn't working.Do you understand?It defies what a god is, it makes flawed.
You don't doubt anything.That is dangerous.If you dont doubt, you dont think, you are a marionette.No free will, so very sad.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : If I didn't understand it, I wouldn't say it. I spent a period of about three years questioning and doubting my faith. God didn't "correct" anything, he simply put His plan into action.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So you actually doubted god and the bible once?Let me guess, your life was hard during that time, and you needed security, therefore god.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I had grown up being taught about God. But during high school I was dealing with some harsh realities in my life that made me wonder. Thankfully, God waited for me until I was ready to come back to Him.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
If you allready have doubted it once, how can you then say that you know that he exists with 100% certainty, what you actually should be saying is this:
I think that god most likely exists.
And didn't wonder how i knew that it was a period where your life was hard?Well, i know how the human mind works.
Im honest, i know nothing with absolut certainty, in fact, noone does, its impossible, we are humans, our senses are deceived easely.Yours were once too, why not again?...
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Again, it's a matter of faith, which I cannot give you, you have to find it yourself. But I've put all my trust in God. I don't have to save myself, Jesus Christ already took care of that.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Did you just answer my question?..when you say its a matter of faith, what does that exactly mean? does it mean:I have no proof, but i hope/believe its the truth.
Or does it mean:"I know its the truth for absolute certainty, there is no way that my believe could ever be wrong in any way at all.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : It means that I have not seen God face to face, but I believe that He is there. The difference here is that if my beliefs are wrong, no big deal. I'll be dead, so I won't care. If yours are wrong, then you're completely screwed. And yes, I know that you think that to be rather childish, but the Bible says that we are to begin our relationship with God like a child, so that's not a problem.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Wrong.If you are wrong, it has huge impacts.I've talked with countless of believers and they all say the same.They dont want to stop global warming, they dont care for hunger and missery, animals that are going extinct, they dont care, because it will burn anyway in armageddon soon.The only thing that matters is faith in god, not how you help the world, since the world is inferior to their belief.
Thats why if youre wrong, your kind are dangeous assholes.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : As Christians, we are to help out our fellow human being in any way that we can. And I'm very nearly convinced that nobody loves animals as much as I do. We are not to look down on the world as if we are somehow superior to the rest of creation. If you ever meet someone who claims to be a Christian and yet has a "holier than thou" attitude, RUN!
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Its not a lie, you are the first christian to tell me this.They think to help the world is futile, only heaven and faith is important.Maybe you weren't a real christian all along:Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight"
and:If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you John 15: 19.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2: 15
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matt 6: 33
As you see, love not the world, but have only faith, because what truely matters is in heaven.These words come from the Bible, they come from what you claim to be from God.Do you see the stupid Bible says you're wrong?
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
You're better than this book.You're morals are higher and they often contradict with the sick morals of that book, and i know you can see it.Stop looking away.I believe in humans, not in paper.Christians tend to only think of heaven, while they dont like the world.They look away from its problems, they only need their faith.Jesus says that.You're better than this, i know it.But it takes courage to stand alone, but humans arent alone.THis world is heaven and hell, and we choose(3/3)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Jesus also said to love one another as He loves us. It is very clear to me that you do not understand these passages. We are to be in the world, but not of the world. That means to not let Satan trap us into thinking that this world is all there is. We love the world when we fall in love with the material items that we have.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
It is clear to me, that you dont understand it as other christians do. Thats the funny thing about it, you all have a different version about your god, but say its exactly the same, when its clearly not.As i said, each of you have a different version.I you dont realise it. What about armageddon?Why should christians care for animals?they have no souls?You nearly have the morals of an atheist, but dont realise it.I say nearly, because you would kill a baby.and i would never.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Christians do not disagree on the important matters. There are really very few places in the Bible that can actually be disputed. All Christians believe that Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ in a manger, that Jesus grew up and preached for three years, that He was crucified, resurrected three days later, and that His blood sets us free from Satan's chains. That is the core of Christianity.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Everything or nothing, else you cannot say that the bible is your proof for god.(Which you cannot do anyway, God exists because the bible says so, the bible is the truth because its gods word, gods word is the truth because the bible says so.Like:I am right because i say so.
But look, im not trying to disproof god here.But make you realise that your relationship to god is purely emotional and subjective, bit like love.Love can make blind, hence so many gods in humanity.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : For the time being, our relationship is emotional. Someday it will be physical.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Yet the knowledge of the "someday" is based on your current state only, the state of pure emotion.
Just because i feel like ill be the king of the world someday, wont make me the king of the world someday.
It also explains why you accept gods flaws, when you're in love with humans, you are much more likely to accept his/her flaws and imperfections, moreover, the person you love is perfect.Emotion distorts vision, i dont say emotions are always bad, it depends.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : That's what real love is. Accepting someone's flaws. But in God's case, those flaws are non-existent. The only way Jesus Christ would have been able to take on the sins of the world is if He were without flaw. You only see flaws because you think you are above God and/or you don't understand what you have read in the Bible.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Silly, i have read the bible and have been educated about Christianity when i had to confirm.I know what im talking about, its not something i dont know about.
Real love is not looking away.A woman being beaten by his husband and keeps staying with him, thats not real love, thats blind love.
And you keep trying to tell me that he has no flaws, because what seem like flaws, cannot be flaws since his perfect.But the bible says hes perfect.AND THAT BOOK IS FALSE!Ihas no proof
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : The problem here is that you cannot claim to be an authority on God when you've already established that you don't know God. You are trying to write a review on a movie you haven't seen.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
It's like saying:You cannot judge a murderer when arent a murderer yourself.
Or:You cannot say that drugs like heroine is bad, when you havent tried heroine yourself.
What youre saying to me is:You have to embrace our insanity and become insane yourself.
I CAN judge you and what you think god is.I think god is a illusion of the human mind, therefore im only writing a review on that illusion, therefore im qualified.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : However, God is not an illusion, so you are in fact writing a review that you are not qualified to write.
As I've said many times, faith is not something that I can give to you, unfortunately. You have to find it for yourself. Many never find it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
" God is not an illusion" that statement is only backed up by one thing, emotion, as i have told you.An illusion from that book.
Didnt you get my juju story?Just because you claim something,doesnt make it true, you claim god to be true.But its unlogical and immoral from my point of view.
"As i've said many times, INSANITY is not something that i can give you, fortunately"
As what you should have written.The difference between our beliefs?You would kill babies, i would not.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : No, I would never do that, because blood sacrifice is no longer required, thanks to Jesus Christ.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
You cannot take your word back.If it were old times, you would.
Also, saying that god is good, because he isnt bad now, is so dumb.
Imagine Hittler saying back in the war:i know i've killed millions of innocient people, well, sry for that, ill sacrifice my child and now, please forget about it.
And the other countries and families of the killed ones:Oh, okay,Well then you're nice.
Come on.My point is:You would obey an athority with power and commit evil.I think, you dont.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
and that blood sacrifice even was required once, is sick, sick sick.And slavery etc. And you want to tell me that this is the beautiful truth?My world is a hundred times more beautiful that yours.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Hey, if we lived back then, you would do things you wouldn't do now as well.
God was never bad. He had a perfect right to do everything He's ever done. Those decisions were His to make.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Yeah, back then, i might really kill someone.But not because someone told me to, i have my own morals and that is what i follow and they are superior to those of your god.
Firstly, saying that god has right to do what he wants just because its his creation is wrong.
Parents cannot torture their own children either, or pets.And now the big point:
If God actually would exist, for real, and came to me and said:Sacrifice your family or burn in hell.
Then i would burn in hell.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : My point is, different time period, different culture.
Parents are not all-knowing, all-loving, or all-powerful. That's the difference between God and humans. As such, God has rights we do not.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Well you keep repeating yourself, if god doesnt exist, your whole point would be invalid.Lets forget it and do a mind opener, answer the questions rather that will come rather simply please:
Would you agree that the idea of the devil/satan, is that he tries to make humans commit evil and does not stop at anything to achieve this?By any means?That he will try to deceive humans, so that they commit sin and go to hell?
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Yes, that's basically what Satan does.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Then would you agree that God gave humans a thinking mind and a free will?So that me may choose in our life, between good and evil, and when making the right choices(the good ones) awarded with heaven.That he created us in his image, so that we may see the difference between good and evil, while being free(free will).
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Yes.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Then the mind opening story:Imagine a world, where god gives his creation a free will and the ability to see right and wrong, because we are made in his image.
But he does not intervene, he only observes and hopes that his creation makes the right choices, his guidance lies within us, we have our free will.Some people make it heaven, some do not.
Most people are deceived by Satan, who is the ultimate evil, he stops at nothing to deceive.What does he do?(1/3)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
He has the ultimate idea, he claims himself to be god, he appears before humans and deceive them.He gives them books filled with immorality, he orders sacrifice, kills thousands, all in the name of God, these pure humans think he is God.All of humanity gets a distorted vision from this false god, he appears before them, with different versions, so that they fight against each other.Satan knows they will.They kill each other in the name of god, but the real god only watches.(2/3)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
THe real god hopes that humans, with free will and a mind(created in his image) is able to see this self proclaimed god, as a false god.Satan needs to make commercials and rules, because humans arent his creation, whilethe real god does not.His rules and commercial lies within humans themself, there own morals, are gods morals.
Do you see where i am going?Satan would stop at nothing.
HOW do you know that the God you believe in, the book you believe in, isnt from satan? (3/3 ->4)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
That you wont go to hell?Satan is inferior to God, therefore he makes rules and commercials.How do you know you arent blindly believing satans lies?
The most important thing is not The bible, quoran, god.But your free will, your inner moral that is born with you.The one from god.The one in humans.Not the one on paper.Not the commercial one.
So how do you really know?think about this, really think consider this story, whether you believe it or not.(4/4)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Satan hates Jesus Christ. Satan does whatever he can to tear people from the hands of Jesus Christ. That's how I know.
And, as I said, the Bible says to test the spirits, and we can know if they are from God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So you did not understand my story at all? Your mind is that shallow? since...
You counter my whole story, with knowledge from the bible. But i said, WHAT IF THE BIBLE WERE TO BE FROM SATAN? And you say:The bible is not from satan, the bible says so.
Ofcause the bible says so, if it were to be written by satan!
Yet more simple:I say:
What if the bible lies?
You say: The Bible says it does not.
I mean, great, its blind faith.With emphasis on blind.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Satan hates Jesus Christ. Why would he give us to Jesus Christ, when he wants to tear us away from Jesus Christ? That doesn't make sense. Satan doesn't care if we believe that he exists or not. He just wants our soul. He doesn't want us to live forever in eternal bliss, he wants us to join him in his misery.
We know the difference between God and Satan because God always accomplishes everything He sets out to do. Satan may succeed from time to time, but he often fails.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
That:1.Satan hates jesus. 2.That satan wants to tear us from jesus. 3.That god accomplsishes everything.
4.That satan often fails.
These things you tell me here, they arent something presented your right before your eyes from an angel you know?This knowledge, these facts, are something you heard from other humans.Something other humans wrote unto paper.
If Satan indeed wrote the bible, then jesus would also have been fake and all those who thought that were to get to (1/2
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
heaven, were actually going to hell.That was the point of my story.To SHOW you, that the facts you KNOW might ALL be LIES.
But there is only one thing that is never a lie, yourself.That you have inner morals.I wanted to show you the possibilities of those morals, that cannot be fake.
No fact in the Bible will ever disproof the likelyhood of this story, the only thing that counters it, is blind faith.
Or should i call it blind hope.
(2/2)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Satan did not write the Bible. There is no hope in Satan. There is only hope in Jesus Christ, who guided the writing of the Bible. The Bible says that Satan works even to deceive the elect if that were possible. The phrase "if that were possible" suggests that it is not possible.
If Jesus were fake, Satan would also be fake. You cannot have good without evil. Both are alive and well in their respective domains.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Okay i give up on you. Your vision is blurred, you lack imagination and the ability to see beyond the wall.
I suggest you watch movie, do not fear, its not some kind of anti god movie or anything, some might acutally say its for god.Either way, its a very funny but also good movie.
Try watching the trailer and rent the movie, i promise you its good.
"The invention of lying" Its about a world where noone can lie, but one man alone figures out how.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Sounds like a weird movie. I might check it out.
By the way, I see plenty beyond the "wall", and I do not fancy what I see.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Watch the movie, its good.
And, nah, you dont really see beyond the wall.What was it you said to me?I cannot judge/understand god when im not a christian?Then how can you say that you're able to perceive a world without god, when you claim you feel him all the time?But nvm, im more interested why you dont lack what you see beyond the wall.
Im quite content with it and think its rather beautiful.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
more interested in what you dont "like" what you see beyond the wall*
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Beyond the wall, I see a Godless world that is headed for trouble. People don't seem to know what is right and what is wrong anymore. I don't deny that there is much good in the world, but I have encountered so much spiritual unhealthiness because people have turned their back on their relationship with Jesus Christ, and have forgotten how precious they are in His eyes.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
You didnt actually mention anything bad, you only mentioned:"i see lack of faith"
"i see they dont believe what i believe".I know what is right and wrong, i have my own morals.I insist you to show me where my morals are bad, where they hurt other humans or anything. It's not possible of you to find these things in me, you will only find that i dont believe in god.
And i give you a tip, ask me more accurately, before you assume my morals with prejudice.As i also asked you.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I never said your morals were bad. You can be a good person without God, you just can't go to Heaven without God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Which means sole single difference is personal salvation, it's selfish. It has nothing to do with saving others (you save others with god), it's just not the core.The core is eternal self-preservation.I understand why people like this, but that doesn't change that it's core is selfish. While my core is making the world the best place there is, giving it the full attention.
In your reality, you go to heaven or hell.
In mine, you live on eternally in your children.We are one.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Which means sole single difference is personal salvation, it's selfish. It has nothing to do with saving others (you save others with god), it's just not the core.The core is eternal self-preservation.I understand why people like this, but that doesn't change that it's core is selfish. While my core is making the world the best place there is, giving it the full attention.
In your reality, you go to heaven or hell.
In mine, you live on eternally in your children.We are one.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo
I meant to say:(you can save others while believing in good, it's just not the core of the belief, it is saving yourself)
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo The core of Christianity is about recognizing that you are fallen, and only God can save you. Once saved, you then are to spend your life bringing the message-- unselfishly-- to others.
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo : The BIble says that we are to begin our relationship with God like children. A baby isn't worried about others. They are worried about receiving. Our personal salvation has to be taken care of first before we can not have to worry about eternal punishment, before we can grow up and learn how to minister to others. It is selfish, but that's the way babies are until they learn how to do for others. I have taken care of my punishment. Now I work to learn how to minister to others.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
But in my eyes you are the child?Do you realize that?
I know that you would feel kinda sad for someone believing in Zeus, because it's obviously not the truth.Multiple deity's, its too unlikely, its obviously false.
The eyes you give those, where you want to open there eyes, from the false religion, to let them see the truth, those are the eyes i give you.
You are like them.I have figured out my personal salvation, something you cannot see.It just doesn't lie with god.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Yes, I realize that. And that's okay. 1) I don't care what you think of me, and 2) I am a child. I am my parent's child, and I am God's child.
Salvation without God is not salvation. It is slavery to Satan.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Salvation with God is not Salvation.Its a mind enslaving delusion.
Did i realize what i just did?I just stated something, just like you, you dont assume or think, you state.
If i state my beliefs too, then who is right?You say its slavery to satan, but i say satan does not exist, he has no meaning to me.
Im outside your box.My mind is not bound by the limitations of your reality.To make it clear, you cannot fathom me.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : You're a human being. Trust me. I can fathom you.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
ohoooo~~
What arrogance, what ignorance.
When i say "fathom" it means understanding one's being, beliefs, reasons for those beliefs as well or even better than that person himself.
You do certainly not fathom my beliefs, you dont even know them.I can teach you what i belief, but i cannot teach you to understand it.And you do not see.You do not fathom.You are in darkness, clinging to a strain of hope.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : You're right, I don't know your beliefs concerning things like abortion or the death penalty. But you've made your beliefs about God perfectly clear.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
You and I probably think the same about Allah, you are like me in that matter, but i just dont stop at Allah, god's in general a flawed.Am i right that you think that Odin, thor, zeus, Ra, Allah, etc. and those millions who believed in them, were wrong?Even though you know that they believed in them with absolute certainty, just like you, you dont pay heed to their way of salvation or sins.I do the same as you do.Just with all gods.Thats the difference.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Yes, I know all that too.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Then i am astonished that you cannot see the similarities between you and them.You act as your religion is different.
If Religion were to be a cube, your religion would just be another point of the same cube (same lie), with another color.All those dots on that cube, try to defy each others religion and to convert them.
But you're the same cube!
While i am the one holding the Cube in my hands.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I can see how there might be similarities. My main thing is that in this particular point in time I tend to focus on those with no God whatsoever rather than those with a different god.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
I see, so you think i have to be saved? ( i know you do, but i mean right now, to make my life better this moment)
Do you think i am unhappy?Angry against god? Afraid?Does it seem like a lack certainty and strength?None of those things apply to me.
If i were to meet you in real life, i would give you a hug and show you the power of the human heart; that you aren't alone, that we're all together, one family, forever; so that you wouldn't need a fairy tail anymore.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : This world is what it is. We have to make the best of what we've got. The only way faith in God would make your life better right now is giving you the hope of eternal bliss. Faith serves you best only when you're on the other side.
I would return that hug. I'm a physical person. But I would still hang onto my faith.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
The only way faith in god would make my life better, is the hope of eternal bliss?
I thank you, that you're honest and actually understand me a little.I'm glad.But did you know?I already have eternal bliss, ill tell you how
All humans, animals, plants, Life, have the same origins, we are the same, we are all one.We are all one family, connected.You cannot die, as long as Life exists, you are not dead.You are life, life is you.You are the world, the world is you.We are one.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : A beautiful thought, but it's not going to get you on God's good side.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
You think its beautiful?I'm surprised, up until now Christians told me it's foolish to love the world, i should only have faith in God, since this ugly world would burn anyway.
Probably wont get me on gods side, nor on odins, or allahs.
But you should know by now; gods aren't real for me.
All there is, is us. If i need comfort, i look at life around me, i don't cling to an afterlife to save me, i dont avert my eyes from the world i see.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : There's nothing wrong with imagining a perfect world. And I'm a hopeless romantic anyway. The danger is in falling in love with material items.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 get can imagine a perfect world but there will be no world peace until the 2nd coming of YaHuWsHua.
xXxCOV3RTxXx 1 year ago
@xXxCOV3RTxXx : True. But one can dream in the meantime.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo Christians tell you we should "hate the world?" But "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." It's not the WORLD Christains hate. If, as we claim, Christians are to be conformed into the image of Christ, Jesus (who is GOD incarnate to Christians) would love the people of the world. What these Christians should relate is that it's the spirit of the world that is antagonistic to GOD.
katarnlunney 9 months ago
@katarnlunney
Christians form of faith is God is surprisingly diverse and they keep contradicting each other in their faith, mostly without them noticing the core differences; just like the Bible itself holds huge self contradicting messages.Each single religious person has his own religion inside his head, with his own rules, ideals and god, while claiming they've found the ultimate truth, for everyone else as well.
Bratcipheo 9 months ago
@Bratcipheo Name a contradiction in Scripture and I'll refute it for you.
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@MaskedMan66
you seem to misunderstand me here, i didnt mean contradictions in scripture itself (although that also exists), i meant the contradicting interpretations and beliefs of those he claim to understand the bible.
Most people will find the bible very straightforward and clear in its message, like an iron wall, but when you compare the interpretation from everyone, then they contradict each other on a massive scale, their religion is just personal thing in their heads, different for all
Bratcipheo 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo "(although that also exists)" *grin* So I say again, find me one to refute for you!
Except that it isn't different for all; that why there have been councils convened and creeds composed, so that at least within a denomination there is consistency. Living the Christian life is a learning experience based on observation and humble learning, not just deciding for oneself what something is or means.
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@MaskedMan66
I see you have been picking some points from my comments that are months ago.I dislike discussing in youtube comments, since i tend to go all out, which is hard with these limits.Better write me a private message.
You say your beliefs arent different at all?How absurd, allow me to be arrogant, but i think i have talked with more christians about god than you, their beliefs are as diverse as there is sand.
If you want to discuss this, send me a pm, with a proper reason why im wrong
Bratcipheo 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo Seeing as how I am a Christian and have known Christians all my life, and indeed been brought up by as fine a pair of Christians (a pastor and a teacher) as anyone could hope to meet (though naturally with their flaws; they're only human), and also under the impression that I've lived a bit longer than you (correct me if I'm wrong; I'm 44) I rather doubt you've spoken with more Christians about God than I have.
What do you call a "proper" reason?
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@MaskedMan66
The Internet is wondrous thing. It enables you to talk and write with people all over the world, at the same time, at a high pace.
Well, your reason didnt really sound like a proper reason, but merely as your personal opinion, which just fits my point that each have their personal belief, although similar, slightly different, so you would ofcause also have an opinion that im ... simply "wrong".
But why so?How exactly can you prove that your belief is the same as your fellow mans?
Bratcipheo 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo Innit? I've almost forgotten how we found out anything before it came along; and I was around a good long while before it did!
I didn't give a reason for anything; I illustrated why it's more likely that I've spoken to more Christians about God than you have. Not an opinion, just a supposition, and one I'm willing to drop if it turns out not to be true.
When I asked you what you called a "proper" reason, I was referring to your remark, "with a proper reason why im wrong."
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@MaskedMan66
And when i replied "your reason didnt really sound like a proper reason, but merely -etc" i meant it as a reply to "with a proper reason why im wrong". It wasn't meant as a reply to how many people you've talked about god with.
As comments are short, im cutting my sentences short aswell and misunderstandings naturally occur, as you can see.
Bratcipheo 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo Okay, we're talking about two different things here, or at least I am:
1) Our respective experiences in theological discussion.
2) Your definition of the word "proper."
The latter is what I'm trying to get out of you.
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@MaskedMan66
The problem was the definition of proper, but its target. This:
"Well, your reason didnt really sound like a proper reason, but merely as your personal opinion, which just fits my point that each have their personal belief, although similar, slightly different, so you would ofcause also have an opinion that im ... simply "wrong"."
Was not meant to target your experience with other believers, but to why you dont have a different belief than your fellow believers.
Bratcipheo 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo I would like to know what you mean by "proper." There's no clearer way of putting it.
MaskedMan66 6 months ago
@MaskedMan66
we got a bit confused there, i think all it comes down to is that i was unsatisfied with your explanation, it lacked depth and reason in my eyes, which you may be able to present to me with more space.Else we'll just continue to mingle with words.
To give you a start:I say that each christian has their own religion, has their own view of what they believe in exactly, it seems the same, but is obscured.
Bratcipheo 6 months ago
@Bratcipheo I promise I'll get into this discussion with you (rather looking forward to it, in fact) as soon as you furnish me with your definition of the word "proper."
MaskedMan66 6 months ago
@MaskedMan66
"correct" "fitting" "right" "relevant"
Bratcipheo 6 months ago
@Bratcipheo Too subjective. Give me something objective.
MaskedMan66 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66
ehm, we are playing around with words and not discussing the real issue here.
On the other hand, its month's since i said all this, i dont even remember exactly what we were talking about.
I've told you exactly what i meant, dont try to hide behind something.
Again, i suggest we write in pm. These short comments are limiting.
Bratcipheo 4 months ago
@Bratcipheo What do you think is the real issue? It may only be a subjective notion of yours. As for refreshing your memory, all you need to do is scroll up and read our prior remarks.
MaskedMan66 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66
What do i think is the real issue?What do you!?
Scrolling around seems slightly unorganized, which is why i want this to be in a private message.
You know what, ill put all into one message, this is getting ridiculous.
Bratcipheo 4 months ago
@Bratcipheo Not to sound infantile, but I did, after all, ask you first. And as it was you who initiated this discussion, the first throw should go to you regarding the underlying topic.
I'll be looking for your message.
MaskedMan66 4 months ago
@MaskedMan66
it was actually you who started writing me 3 months ago. Then you didnt reply and suddenly write me again after 1 month, so no, you initiated.
Bratcipheo 4 months ago
@Bratcipheo : The Bible says to test the spirits, and we can know if they are from God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Read my new part, and everything from the beginning.And dont be to hasty.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Let me make it clearer:
Lets say i found a old book with the great Ju-Ju.And i tell you the great ju-ju says he's the real god, and he's perfect.And he likes to eat children and wants humans to eat every third child they get.
And you say:Dont eat your children, thats immoral, its sick, why do you believe the juju?
I say:The book says Ju-Ju is perfect, therefore i believe he's perfect, so i have to eat chidren, hes the real god, since that book says he is.His moral is higher.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo It's way, way more complicated than that. It's not a matter of believeing just because the book says so.
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo God never said any of those things were right or justified. The extermination visited upon, for instance, the Canaanites was not a premeditated act of malice, but simply the way conquest was achieved in those days; unpleasant but true.
Rape? You're kidding. Never advocated. Ever.
What do you mean by "slavery?" Someone taken against his will from his people and beaten into submission whenever disobedient, probably.
(continued)
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo That sort of slavery is mentioned in Scripture, of course, as when the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians and Babylonians, but most often the sort of slavery spoken of is indentured servitude. Many passages which use the word "slave" would be just as accurate using the word "servant."
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
@Bratcipheo One more thing: God advises against picking and choosing from His word.
MaskedMan66 7 months ago
incredibly moving video and soundtrack. thanks so much for all your work in sharing this with all of us. God bless you, and praise His name for your talents.
huri999 1 year ago
Beautiful video scenes and music.
If you would like to learn Hebrew FREE, I know a great site-Hebrew 4 Christians-just google it. It is FREE and has SOUND. To learn the language of the kingdom is a blessing. Hebrew 4 Christians is geared to adults who have never studied a language. John Parsons is a talented and Patient teacher. You can start as simply as the alphabet, it has a glossary and much more. I like the daily site blog that tells of the upcoming Shabbat and Jewish Holidays. Shalom!
reginaDexant 1 year ago
lindo clipe e linda música
MsRosyne 1 year ago
Thank you so much for the love and sacrifice portrayed of Christ!!
yellowbird882 1 year ago
I LOVE IT
jaaanetb 1 year ago
Its incredible how i can feel two so tense emotions from the same video, one loving this song so much and the other emotion be the strong disgust for the theme of the video.Not because its bad, its remarkable, the story leaves me in awe, no, its because people think that this is real.
But would i have the slightest religious spark in me, this would be sure to ignite the fires of faith.
But luckily i am free of those mentality disorders.
I bless you, because God will not.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo You poor soul. Satan has blinded your eyes, least you see with your eyes believe in your heart and be converted. I pray for you now, that you will come to know the love of the Father and recieve the free gift purchased by the blood of His dear Son for the redemption of humankind and to know true peace of one whose sins have been washed away by that very blood. In name of the Lord Jesus Christ...Amen. Glad for your post to know you are out there.
rena3115 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : God is very much alive and well, my friend.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
What cannot die, is not alive.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : He exists, then, Mr. Technicality.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
And does he exist because you 'know' it or because you 'feel' it?
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : Both.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
That is were you're wrong.'knowing' something could be wrong, because you are human, you aren't perfect.'Feelings' however can never be wrong, i will never doubt that you feel god and his love.
You do indeed feel him.
But indeed, you do not 'know' that he exists for certainty, humans cannot do such a thing, as we aren't gods; we can only 'think' and 'estimate' that something is most likely true, our minds cannot grasp anything for absolute certainty.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I would not feel God if He didn't exist. Therefore I know He exists.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
I never doubted your emotion, but that doesn't make it the truth.
I feel that a girl i love is the only true love, that doesn't make it the only true love for other people.More importantly, feelings are biased.
An depressed person can feel that the world is trash, that doesnt make the world trash.
An insane person can feel that he is a goat, that doesnt make him a goat.
I can feel that i am right; that doesnt make me right.
Feelings are emotions, not the truth.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : In any case, God exists.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
You just gave up.
Since you realized that your belief in god, is backed up by your emotions and feelings only, and not by logic and thought.
And feelings don't have to be the truth.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : It's not just my feelings. I have the Bible to back me up.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
And do you believe every single word it says?or only certain parts, while you discard others as you like?With your emotions.
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : I do believe it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
I see, so you believe in an 8000 year old earth?In human sacrifice?That slavery is right?That you shall stone women till they die, should they sleep with another man?
Do you believe that all these things?
Bratcipheo 1 year ago
@Bratcipheo : That the earth is 6,000 years old is not a Biblical doctrine. And, quite frankly, I couldn't care less how old the Earth is.
I do not believe that slavery is right, and neither does God. God used that experience many times as a teaching tool, but He does not condone it. If He did condone it, He would have left the Israelites in Egypt.
Thanks to the blood of Christ, death for disobedience is no longer necessary.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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Bratcipheo 1 year ago
Como se Llama La Cancion ? ?
191906365 2 years ago
Adiemus creo qeu de enya
jaaanetb 1 year ago
how i can download this musik??
george99025 2 years ago
I love this video
harpinjohn1 2 years ago
Isaiah ch9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Yehushua is Adonai~
cellarjudge 2 years ago 2
Yeshua or Yaweh an Amen
mcb728 2 years ago 4
Glory to Your name,Jesus Christ,Adonai,Prince of peace...marvelous God...my Friend,My Father, THANK YOU!
horangabeladela 2 years ago
Awesome Video, I love the sound track and the scenes. It quickens the Spirit in those of us who call Him Savior. Now if we could only hold onto our passion and commitment to Him who has saved us past this video, past the worship hour at church, past our prayer time, and carry His Love out to our families, our friends, our co-worker, our neighbors and all of those in our life. It is possible! Just keep saying yes Lord every time he puts a request on your heart and watch as His Love changes lives!
yourbrotherjames 2 years ago
jesus <3
dracodormiensnunc 2 years ago
thank you, great video. Let our Lord be with all of us, forever ...
brooklynperson 2 years ago 3
Awesome!!
Wonderful video/music. Thank you so much for posting Scandiadream. God Bless.
ajasanar 2 years ago
Can't get enough of this vid!!!!! Peace be with you Scandiadream;)
KRU78 2 years ago 2
exelente my bonito
redfm881 2 years ago 3
wow great story of jesus life amazing portrayel of how jesus lived and how he used his power and great love for us to save us from the fires of hell I hope you make more videos because you are very good at it
KFischer212 2 years ago