By the way, where did you get this sleeping with Jews idea?? We are people just like you, and we have the right to believe what we want. Please don't go telling false things about us, when you yourself don't know that much about the church. And the whole money thing, we have many different funds set up to help benefit the church. All of us choose to pay ten percent of all we earn. Just because our money things isn't the same as other churches, doesn't mean anything. Don't tell lies about us whe
@taylorhrdlicka yah well who is REALLY making unfounded assumptions & declarations here? You say I dont really know much about your church, well your church was actually MY CHURCH for a very long time before I quit ! & I Quit because I knew too much about it to stay in it. YOUR IGNORANCE is the only thing that preserves your LDS membership unless U R a really evil person. either way it sucks to be you ! MORmON!
I really wish that someone would do a search, in the courthouse records of the Nauvoo Period (but in Missouri). And, then see just exactly what a governor's "extermination order" REALLY meant! It is, after all, legal language, and nothing more.
The UPSHOT of such an executive order was to empower the local people of Missouri, to determine, for themselves, what actions of DEFENSE were needed, against the agressive actions of an agressive people [Morms], who were not citizens of MO, but of IL.
@orlovna2 Wrong. The extermination order was given BEFORE any Mormons went to Illinois, in fact it was one of the reasons they went to Illinois.
The Mormons were not the aggressors. They wanted to just live and worship as they pleased, but the Missourians were afraid that too many Mormons would not let Missouri be a slave state.
Google Haun's Mill massacre. See what I'm talking about.
WRONG! Read History of the Church (7-volumes, paperback). Sidney Rigdon talked about a "war" of extermination 3 months before the so-called "extermination order" of Gov. Boggs. Boggs was not the "Orkin man". But, Rigdon certainly was! Just read the History of the Church, put out by you-know-who.
@orlovna2 Sydney Rigdon was just getting tired of all the persecution going on, for no good reason. Not to mention that he probably suffered some brain damage when he was taken from his home and tarred and feathered back in Kirtland Ohio.
You quote your sources, on Syd Rigdon, and I will then quote mine. By the way, my sources come right out of The History of the Church. But, you have to go to my channel & accuse me of stalking (i.e., and stalking is a serious offense), as well as defaming my character, in the process (viz., by so doing). If you continue to do that, I will sue you, for libel. Mormons LOVE to smear others' reputations, through both libel and slander: not with impunity will you do that, anymore!!
OY VEY! That friggin' idiot, Orrin Porter Rockwell HATCH! What a friggin' jackass THAT one is! (We wants to be seen as part of the "persecuted race" of people: the Jews!)
We--morms---just cannot be "seen to be" righteous, unless WE be persecuted, too! So, we hire a Jewish firm, in New York, to portray us as "persecuted" (members of the House of Israel), while we [mormns] really think those dumb Jews sare just Gentiles, anyway!
@lindalds silly mormon. I remember last spring conferance. The directive straight from SLC , We are recieving more demands than our panrties can handle. If you don't have your storage in order. It's to loate and The church can not help you. But hey that was when just like everyone else ya'll thought it was over. Your prophet's were in a panic with everyone else. LOL
I just read a pseudo-explanation for polygamy by LDS member Romy Brown who claimed that there are 4 times as many women on earth as men.
Where do these nutbars get their inst-facts?
The ratio is very close to even with a slightly higher number of men (just like the censuses of old Utah show). There must be a Mormon Book of Disinformation available from Deseret Book for all these skewed world facts.
I don't know Romy Brown or his/her work, but, back when the church practiced plural marriage, it was not men vs. women, but the number of worthy priesthood holders vs. the number of women who needed worthy priesthood holders.
Also, back then, single women, no matter the reason, had no rights. Married women did.
Brigham Young had many of his wives doing what THEY wanted, like sending one back east to go to medical school, and encouraging others to start businesses, like silk worm farming. And before he died, he deeded each surviving wife her own house in her name and said he wished he had done it sooner.
I'm surprised you even accept that old Briggy the bigot had numerous wives. He was sealed to them, and also played hide the weenie with them, just like Joey did.
Yes, Brigham Young had numerous wives, I think maybe around 19. Some of them were wives in every sense of the word, and some were not. He had 57 children, which would not be possible with just one wife.
But, would you like it if someone reduced YOUR marriage to "playing hide the weenie"?
"Hey, man, got married, finally got some! good job!"
My marriage isn't to 55 (the correct number) different women.
Please don't try and pretend that I have offended your delicate sensibilities when you can matter of factly accept that one of your church leaders was married to 55 different women. That in itself is offensive to any women with an ounce of self respect, with the plural wives attaining the same status as a stable of horses. Treated as property.
It was nothing more than "hide the weenie" so suck it up.
MARRIAGE to more than one woman would make any man want to hide and never come out. Do you know why?
Do you know the POWER that those many women would have?
Brigham Young had some 19 wives, at least half of whom lived in the SAME HOUSE. At one time, he also had TEN teen age daughters under that same roof.
Do you know what happens, physically, with that many women together in one household? Can you imagine that many women, that many TEENS, on the same cycle???
@orlovna2 Yes, they had a lot of wives. Brigham Young took care of his wives. Just before he died, he gave each of his surviving wives their own house. at least one wife and possibly three, were sent back east to go to school to learn to be doctors. All were encouraged to go into business for themselves.
Don't EVEN think that it was some harem stable!! He didn't have armed eunuchs guarding them or anything!
No, that many women together is POWER.
Two of his daughters wrote books on their home life. I've read one. The man YOU describe and the man his daughters describe are two TOTALLY different men.
No, I don't believe you know what you are talking about. If I didn't know better, I'd say jealousy.
@lindalds & what would Brigham Youngs SEQUESTERED SPOILED ROTTEN little daughters know about the wretched business dealings of the despicable POS father. I read several bios of people who dealt with Brigham, he was EVIL, TREACHEROUS, EXPLOITATIVE, ABUSIVE, & DECEITFUL. Mafia bosses use some one else's daughter for prostitutes so they can maintain a fine residence for their daughters. THAT IS how BY worked. You are so foolish !
Do you? Do you know secrets that no one else knows?
Are you aware of Joseph Smiths statements about the end times in the temples? Everything that was done in the Jewish temple would be performed in the lds temples. Do you understand what that means? Animal blood sacrifice. This should tell you the sacrifice on the CROSS was never sufficient to Mormons.
I know that, in the ordination of the Aaronic priesthood, it says something about how we have it until the sons of Levi again offer sacrifices in the temple, but I don't think that's what you mean, is it?
D&C 124 restoration of "all things" from Judaism, the Jewish temple, including the Levi animal sacrifice.
More sacrifice after the cross? This 1 section in Mormon doctrine says that the Lords sacrifice on the cross was a failure. The lds priesthood has been set, "by deceptive men" above the Lords finished work.
But, I didn't see anything about restoration of animal sacrifice, especially in OUR temples. It's like you take a few words from here and a few from there and put them together and think "This is what Mormons believe".
Everything would be restored from the Jewish temple. What did they do in the Jewish temple? Animal sacrifice to pay for the sins of the world. That's it!
They didn't baptize dead people or marry for eternity.
I still don't see it. You are seeing what isn't there.
The temple in Jerusalem, I think, is going to be restored. The Sons of Levi will offer sacrifices there, I think. But, NOT in OUR temples.
And even if they didn't baptize dead people or marry for eternity (which I think they did do), that does not preclude that God will never tell US to do that.
GOD speaks to us, thru His prophet and apostles. That is a beautiful thing.
"We will never be the aggressors, we will infringe on the rights of no people; but shall stand for our own until death. We claim our own rights, and are willing that all others shall enjoy theirs."
I would guess that the Fancher-Baker party didn't agree with Rigdon's statement as they were being murdered. I would say that blowing innocent women and children's brains out as recently proven by forensic examination of the remain' would qualify as aggression and infringement on their rights. Then to lie about for way over a hundred years.
That really establishes credibility with me. I guess you must have taken the blue pill that allows the blissful ignorance of illusion
Do you mean the one in retaliation for the killing of one Missourian and mutilation of another, as well as attacking Missouri State Troops, at the Battle of Crooked River?
Guess you shouldn't piss the bear off if you can't back it up.
If Haun's Mill was in retaliation of something, then it was done by cowards. There were no women, children or old men at any of those things you mention.
One man found a child outside the barn, unarmed of course, and shot him in the head at point blank range. HIs words? Nits make lice.
Now THAT's bravery.
I don't say that the MMM was a good thing, it wasn't. I just do not believe that it was done at the orders of Brigham Young. If he had wanted those people killed,
McConkie's book was McConkie's opinions. He even said so at the beginning of the book. Did you know that he wrote it before he became a General Authority?
He was in the Quorum of Seventy when he released it and the second edition was approved by the general authority.
Even as a member of the seventy, should he not have be knowledgeable in LDS doctrine, other than his strong racist opinions about "darkies" as he referred to blacks at the time.
Like I said, he said in the introduction of HIS book that this was HIS work and HIS work alone, and was NOT official church policy. For it to be official church policy, it would have had to be written by ALL of them, not just a nod of approval. And it would be published by THE CHURCH, not just a business owned by the church.
Hey linda...just to brush you up on your doctrine.
I wonder who Joey is referring to when he mentions "that great church"
"there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Ne. 14:10-11)
Joseph SMith is not referring to any church. NEPHI was referring to the Church of Christ vs the Church of Satan. He could not have been talking about any one denomination, since there WERE no denominations then.
And EVEN IF Joseph Smith wrote it (hard for me to believe) he no doubt was NOT referring to any churches but the ones he was familiar with. Those were the Methodists, the Presbyterians and the Baptists.
Joseph Smith ran his FOUL LOUD mouth incessantly about his role of latterday prophet &head of the great restoration mandated by the great ALL INCLUSIVE apostacy.Funny thing,all churchs were corrupt so Joe started another one to be corrupt in the interest of serving his needs.I have been in your LDS temple.
I know 1st hand the slights directed at other faiths,leveled specifically at Catholicism &protestants. Funny, LDS INC has become the Utah version of EVERYTHING Joe condemned!
From the beginning of Christianity there have been faithfull, devout honest teachers of Christianity. Nothing was lost. Today, there are more honest teachers of Christianity that what you are led to believe.
Your own pride is keeping you from the truth. Mormon doctrine, priesthood and ceremonies and families forever are comforting but the end result will always breed pride. Men can do nothing to save themselves or improve their status in heaven. Christ is the only way.
Nothing was lost? The priesthood was lost. Prophets and apostles were lost. Revelation from God was definately lost. So many Christians today say that God ONLY speaks thru the pages of the Bible. Did God shut His mouth to us, or are we turning a deaf ear?
Frankly, I can't think of a time when we've needed prophets and apostles MORE than we do today.
Eph. 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine...
I guess God didn't see him like that. Of course, that could describe many many people. For instance, a lot of the men chosen by Christ had a lot of problems. Like Paul for instance, who was a murderer several times over. Or Simon/Peter, who was a lying coward.
No pride? Sure sounds prideful to me when Christians boast that THEY are going to heaven, and *I* am going to hell! if I don't "get right with God" (read: if you don't do things the way I think you should).
Since Nephi was a creation of JS, it was JS who said it. So Joe was not aware of the oldest and largest Christian church on the planet.
I realized he was of very limited education, not knowing about lack of the steel, horses, cattle, compasses, etc in the times he wrote of, but he couldn't have been that uninformed.
We don't believe that Nephi was a creation of anyone but the same God that created us all.
I still don't know why, if it was all a big hype, that he carried it out as far as he did. He never had money. He was not only persecuted vocally, but physically; the time he was dragged from his house, in the dead of winter, stripped, and covered with hot tar and feathers, while his baby son lay dying in the house. Those men were as guilty of murder as if they had knifed the child. And yet, he kept on.
I know you don't believe Nephi was Joey's creation but the rest of the Christian world knows it was a sham.
I don't condone anything that would harm an innocent, and the perpetrators will get their just rewards.
Joey was power hungry. He viewed himself as a great general of his own army, a potential candidate for presidency of the US, they spiritual leader of a people. He just wasn't successful with money as shown by his treasure seeking days and the failure of the Kirtland Anti-Banking scam.
How Joseph Smith viewed himself and how others viewed him is two different things.
I can view myself as a great general or POTUS, but that doesn't mean others see me that way.
Millions of people saw/see Joseph Smith as a true prophet of God. Hundreds of those actually knew him. Even those who didn't see him as a prophet, but knew him as a neighbor, thought highly of him as a person. It's the ones who were paid by DP Hurlbut who "testified" to his shady character, didn't know him from adam
Those BILLIONS don't know what they see. Cause what they see and what is are two TOTALLY different things. There are a lot of ophthamologists in our church!
ok, where did you get those stats? And is it, donations per member of each member giving directly to non-church charities? i.e. dropping money into the red bucket?
I work at the bishop's storehouse. Since I started there in august, the storehouse has given away somewhere between $10,000 and $15,000 worth of food and other commodities to local charities. And we just cover central and southwestern Ohio.
And do your figures also take into account the cost of clothing donations? We don't have DI around here, so it's the SA or the VofA or something.
My friend in another ward said a non-member couple was seeing their bishop for financial help. NON-member.
@ lindalds, but how much do they give tp people who have no interest in Joseph Smith? And as far as the church welfare program, I shutter to think of what JESUS would do. Does your Bishop have the proper forms filled out for you.?
@pappyforyou We give up to $1000 a year to whomever applies for it. We've given to a local Salvation Army, several women's shelters, and food pantries around where I live. Thousands of dollars of food and other items, like diapers, and cleaning things.
And yes, you do have to fill out a couple of forms. But then, a lot of other people ask for such things, too.
@lindalds "If you are allowed to post here, so am I."
and WHAT is the basis for that declaration, besides MORmON logic / your STUPIDITY ! You are allowed to post here because of my graciousness, not because you have anything wortth saying, as I think the truth usually prevails with most people when its given a chance & MORmONS are their own worst enemy, so I dont CENSOR my site the way Most pro MORmON sites do. & your attempt to censor here by de fault is noted. MORmONS = LIARS !
@genexrollins If, as you say, the truth prevails, and you think you have the truth and I do not, then why are you afraid to let me post here? Or anyone else afraid?
We don't care about people who disagree with us, but when people like you, who's most intelligent arguments use words like "moron", "stupid" etc., then it's no wonder some people won't let you post.
@lindalds "If, as you say, the truth prevails, &you think you have the truth &I do not, then why are you afraid to let me post here? Or anyone else afraid?"
HELLO! MORmON! Your post is still here!
You BITCH as if your post is pulled &yet it is STILL HERE. Somehow the turth is prevailing even with your MORmON whining/ Persecution complex acting up -just as the video says! Then you dare say others best point is name calling? -WRONG! THEN you wonder why you get called STUPID/ MORmON !
@lindalds what obligation could anyone possibly have to be truthful or forthcoming with someone else who is as deceitul, despicable, spiteful, arrogant, & two faced as MORmONS are ! Being a Christian is one thing, being patient is one thing. being stupid is something else. Being a Christian does not obligate anyone to go around with MORmONS sticking knives in their back.
@genexrollins I think that it's called The Great Commission, where Jesus said to His disciples, go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. Now, I don't see that from you at all. If you believe I do not know the gospel, then why aren't you preaching it? I doubt that Jesus ever used the language you do, even to the Pharisees.
@lindalds " I think that it's called The Great Commission, where Jesus said to His disciples, go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. Now, I don't see that from you at all. If you believe I do not know the gospel, then why aren't you preaching it? I doubt that Jesus ever used the language you do, even to the Pharisees."
Yah, & you think PERVERT Joe Smith is a prophet too ! How many teen age girls did Jesus marry? How wives of other living men?
@lindalds "We don't care about people who disagree with us, but when people like you, who's most intelligent arguments use words like "moron", "stupid" etc., then it's no wonder some people won't let you post. "
you MORmONS DO care about people who disagree with you AND you can not stand it.
& you get called MORmONS because You ARE MORmONS. IF the stupid fits THEN wear it !
or are you too afraid that reality ! With that in mind I am going to answer your question, stupid bitch!
@lindalds you need to get straight on this right now. I control this site, you stooge MORmON hag. You do not control this site. IF if decide you are not well enough in touch with this Fact , your posts will come down in a flash. just like your MORmON church is doing right now.
@lindalds you MORmONS cant tell the difference between a right & a privilege. Others can! You come here & shoot off your mouth like you own the place. YOU DO NOT! your Comments like "if you can post here I can too" PROVE what is being said about your ignorance & foolishness. Your posts are allowed here because they do prove something & it is how true MORmONISM really is, but not in the way you think. You certainly are not allowed here because you have a right or that we like you.
All the charity you mention is great. I'm glad your church is helping people. However, it you compare it to the revenue it's estimated that the church brings in, it's only about 2% of it. Comparatively, many other churches give away 10% as a general rule (tithing applies to organizations, too).
Plus, these churches seem to talk about it a lot less. So while I'm glad for the good works the Mormons do, it often seems like they do it for the good publicity it brings. Just saying...
@ScienceReasonBelief we would not have to sound our own trumpets if people would stop accusing us of wasting OUR money. What other churches do is good and fine and it's up to them. We do what we do, and it's not a little bit. It's more than just money. The thing is, like I said, it's our money and we use it as we see fit. We are very responsible with it.
There are many similarities between Joey and Mohamed. Both power hungry, wannabe generals, polygamists (although Mo's youngest wife was 6 years old not 14 like Joey's. They call that pedophilia).
They both started fictitious religions. The only difference is that Mo had more success, and his religion is quite a bit more oppressive and dangerous.
Mo's religion didn't become corrupt, is was started that way. Any religion that holds the death sentence (to this day) for leaving the faith is screwed way beyond redemption.
If I ever met Joe I'm sure I would need a fire retardant suit as I'm told it get real hot down there.
If by some stretch of the imagination, Joe actually believed his own crap, then his mentality was on par with Nero and I don't think Dr. Phil could help the poor deluded nut.
I also know that is now less than 50%. It's the only state that still tries to act like a theocracy.
The reason Mormonism is stagnant in the US and growing mainly in third world countries is that people are too well informed in the industrialized nation.
vituperate....haven't seen that one used in a while.
Well informed about the numerous contradictions within LDS teachings, such as BoM Jacob 1:15, 2:24, 2:27 vs. D&C 132 and the innumerably lies told to the public, starting with JS up to and including Hinckley. Jury is still out on Monson,
The ludicrousness of Mormonism is getting harder to hide from the masses, and even from uninformed LDS individuals, who normally leave the LDS after realizing they have been lied to.
I see no contradictions between Jacob and D&C 132. David and Solomon DID take wives and concubines that they were not entitled to. And God does not permit plural marriage unless He commands it. He didn't command it in 132, He allowed that IF a man married more than one wife, he was not committing adultery. God commanded plural marriage until 1890, then He excused the church from practicing it.
so when the bible says Gods is consistent & unchanging, the same yesterday, today & foever it really means only in propensity to constant change his mind & flip flop. &when Joe Smith called it the New&Everlasting covenant -everlasting just meant until 1890!
So true religion by LDS standards is more like a game of Simon Says than anything else. Come to think of it B.Young even suspended tithing when it suited him, but LDS quickly brought that back.
The New and Everlasting covenant has nothing to do with PLURAL marriage. I can post the whole verse that says what exactly is the New and Everlasting covenant. It's just that every time someone posts verses, it gets spammed. But it's D&C 132:7.
No prophet does anything "when it suits him". He does what God tells him.
you act as if Joe's additional "Marriages" & "brides" were an open proper formal affair. Joe's adultery operation was very much in the mode of taking it on the sly with the absurd warrant among LDS insiders of Joe claiming that God dictated it. Joe was attempting to hide it & lied about it to the public right up to the time he died. Why all THAT non sense if it really was God's plan? WELL IT WAS NOT!
how many versions of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus do you think there are? Which one forgets to mention God being there? -which would be equivalent to bombastic bumbles of Joe's many First Vision accounts.
( I sense some FAIR/FARMS/ NIBLEY IDIOCY on the way! that stuff sounds so good at BYU /on Channel 11 until its repeated out side the bubble of the MORmONICALLY INSANE!
Joseph couldn't take a concubine with the membership watching him. He had to invent something to downplay his adultery and make it look as if God authored it.
@lindalds "If all he wanted was "nookie" he could have said God told him to just take concubines"
As Joe wanted nookie all he had to do was find stupid brainless hags ( as in DUMB BITCHES) like you that swoon over LDS leaders at every turn, who would give him FOOL sex service at any time for the sake of the tiniest whisper about it being God's will & you being His special servant. You are sick, sickening & pathetic, MORmON!
Symbols mean what those using them say they mean. For instance, you wear a cross to remember Christ's sacrifice. But what if He had been killed some other way? If He had been beheaded, would you wear a little guillotine? Or if he had been stoned to death, would you wear a rock? Have you ever read what the body goes thru that is being crucified?
When the SL temple was being built, there was no such thing as a Church of Satan. So, they had no symbols, either.
Well, what you call the "deep down dirty doctrine" is usually not doctrine. And when did any other Christians ever see their own deep down dirty doctrine? I've seen it.
Not null and void. But, if there is something they said that God still wants us to know, then He will tell His CURRENT prophet and His CURRENT apostles to tell us.
We can study what the past prophets have said, but, if there is some question about it, then we look to today's prophet and the scriptures, over what they said yesterday.
D&C 132:7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed,
Sometimes, God has to use legal language, to make sure that we know exactly what He wants us to be doing, and how to do it. That was why there was the Law of Moses, before Christ. And now, since there's been so much apostasy from the original church, things have to be spelled out, otherwise, people just go off and do their own thing and think "This is what God wants".
whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
Not necessarily, but a small helping of honesty wouldn't hurt anything other than the coffers. My wife was not aware of all the crap not included in the warm and fuzzy beginning when she got her holy dunking. When she found out the truth such as the infinite number of gods, the non-virgin birth and the rest of the really weird stuff, like magic underwear, she left so quick you couldn't see her for the dust cloud. My wife is not gullible though and is open to discussion, which lead her out.
However, none of that stuff is real. There is only ONE God that we worship. There MIGHT BE that which SOME OTHERS call gods, but they have nothing to do with us or we with them.
Non-virgin birth is not true, we DO believe in the virgin birth.
We don't have MAGIC underwear. We have special garments we wear if we have been thru the temple, but there's nothing magic about them.
If she is open to discussion then why not discuss it with me? Cause that's all a bunch of anti-Mormon hooey.
Hello, you Mor(m)on! Tell the people, here, if Elder Paul H. Dunn was guilty of lying to his fellow LDS, over and over, again, about himself. Tell the people if Elder Dunn ever said, "I'm sorry, for telling lies and for publishing those lies, in books that I wrote". Tell the people how Uncle Boyd (K. Packer) rushed in, to cover Dunn's behind, when Dunn was being investigated, for his part, in the Afco, Inc. fiasco and scandal.
N you don't even know that much about it yourselves.
taylorhrdlicka 3 months ago
By the way, where did you get this sleeping with Jews idea?? We are people just like you, and we have the right to believe what we want. Please don't go telling false things about us, when you yourself don't know that much about the church. And the whole money thing, we have many different funds set up to help benefit the church. All of us choose to pay ten percent of all we earn. Just because our money things isn't the same as other churches, doesn't mean anything. Don't tell lies about us whe
taylorhrdlicka 3 months ago
@taylorhrdlicka yah well who is REALLY making unfounded assumptions & declarations here? You say I dont really know much about your church, well your church was actually MY CHURCH for a very long time before I quit ! & I Quit because I knew too much about it to stay in it. YOUR IGNORANCE is the only thing that preserves your LDS membership unless U R a really evil person. either way it sucks to be you ! MORmON!
genexrollins 3 months ago
Comment removed
fab42 10 months ago
@fab42 the MOReMONey Church = LDS INC SCAM
genexrollins 10 months ago
I really wish that someone would do a search, in the courthouse records of the Nauvoo Period (but in Missouri). And, then see just exactly what a governor's "extermination order" REALLY meant! It is, after all, legal language, and nothing more.
The UPSHOT of such an executive order was to empower the local people of Missouri, to determine, for themselves, what actions of DEFENSE were needed, against the agressive actions of an agressive people [Morms], who were not citizens of MO, but of IL.
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2
CORRECTION: The word "aggressive" is spelled with two "g"s.
Caveat: I just did not have enough space, to do a proper spelling.
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 Wrong. The extermination order was given BEFORE any Mormons went to Illinois, in fact it was one of the reasons they went to Illinois.
The Mormons were not the aggressors. They wanted to just live and worship as they pleased, but the Missourians were afraid that too many Mormons would not let Missouri be a slave state.
Google Haun's Mill massacre. See what I'm talking about.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds
WRONG! Read History of the Church (7-volumes, paperback). Sidney Rigdon talked about a "war" of extermination 3 months before the so-called "extermination order" of Gov. Boggs. Boggs was not the "Orkin man". But, Rigdon certainly was! Just read the History of the Church, put out by you-know-who.
Quit flaming videos like this one.
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 Sydney Rigdon was just getting tired of all the persecution going on, for no good reason. Not to mention that he probably suffered some brain damage when he was taken from his home and tarred and feathered back in Kirtland Ohio.
You stop, I'll stop. That simple.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds
You quote your sources, on Syd Rigdon, and I will then quote mine. By the way, my sources come right out of The History of the Church. But, you have to go to my channel & accuse me of stalking (i.e., and stalking is a serious offense), as well as defaming my character, in the process (viz., by so doing). If you continue to do that, I will sue you, for libel. Mormons LOVE to smear others' reputations, through both libel and slander: not with impunity will you do that, anymore!!
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 When did I accuse you of stalking? I've never been to your channel. I've never accused you of anything like that.
Prove this accusation to me. I want to know when I did this.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds
You're the biggest brainwashed wussy (with a capital "P"), that I can find, here at YouTube!
Breed'm Young held out Utah to be a pro-slave state, until 1862.
Mor(m)ons re-invent the wheel, at every turn. Tell another whopper, there!
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 Very intelligent response.
lindalds 1 year ago
Quick! HATCH! Call the ORKIN man, and tell him not to exterminate all those mormon bugs that you have, crawling around, in your neck of the woods!
What a PIECE of DIRT, that little weasel Hatch is!
He twists things up: just like that dufus Paul H. Dunn did!
Hatch thinks that an executive order (known, in the 1800s, as an "extermination order") was the equivalent of calling in Truly Nolen!
But, some months prior to that executive order, Sydney Rigdon threatened a "WAR of extermination".
orlovna2 1 year ago
Good one, Gene! AT 0.54, you refer to Orrin (Porter) Hatch's shirt-eating grin!
Yeah! I see that, too! What a real piece of shirt, THAT one is!
orlovna2 1 year ago
OY VEY! That friggin' idiot, Orrin Porter Rockwell HATCH! What a friggin' jackass THAT one is! (We wants to be seen as part of the "persecuted race" of people: the Jews!)
We--morms---just cannot be "seen to be" righteous, unless WE be persecuted, too! So, we hire a Jewish firm, in New York, to portray us as "persecuted" (members of the House of Israel), while we [mormns] really think those dumb Jews sare just Gentiles, anyway!
Brilliant, you jackass Hatch!
orlovna2 1 year ago
@lindalds silly mormon. I remember last spring conferance. The directive straight from SLC , We are recieving more demands than our panrties can handle. If you don't have your storage in order. It's to loate and The church can not help you. But hey that was when just like everyone else ya'll thought it was over. Your prophet's were in a panic with everyone else. LOL
pappyforyou 1 year ago
I wonder if there is an equivalent word for "fact" in Mormon-speak.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
If there is, anti-Mormons know nothing about it. when it comes to them, "fact" and "Mormon" don't belong in the same sentence.
lindalds 2 years ago
I just read a pseudo-explanation for polygamy by LDS member Romy Brown who claimed that there are 4 times as many women on earth as men.
Where do these nutbars get their inst-facts?
The ratio is very close to even with a slightly higher number of men (just like the censuses of old Utah show). There must be a Mormon Book of Disinformation available from Deseret Book for all these skewed world facts.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I don't know Romy Brown or his/her work, but, back when the church practiced plural marriage, it was not men vs. women, but the number of worthy priesthood holders vs. the number of women who needed worthy priesthood holders.
lindalds 2 years ago
Nice spin on another excuse for plural marriage.
Absolute horse puckey, but nice spin.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Also, back then, single women, no matter the reason, had no rights. Married women did.
Brigham Young had many of his wives doing what THEY wanted, like sending one back east to go to medical school, and encouraging others to start businesses, like silk worm farming. And before he died, he deeded each surviving wife her own house in her name and said he wished he had done it sooner.
lindalds 2 years ago
I'm surprised you even accept that old Briggy the bigot had numerous wives. He was sealed to them, and also played hide the weenie with them, just like Joey did.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Yes, Brigham Young had numerous wives, I think maybe around 19. Some of them were wives in every sense of the word, and some were not. He had 57 children, which would not be possible with just one wife.
But, would you like it if someone reduced YOUR marriage to "playing hide the weenie"?
"Hey, man, got married, finally got some! good job!"
That's just plain disgusting.
lindalds 2 years ago
My marriage isn't to 55 (the correct number) different women.
Please don't try and pretend that I have offended your delicate sensibilities when you can matter of factly accept that one of your church leaders was married to 55 different women. That in itself is offensive to any women with an ounce of self respect, with the plural wives attaining the same status as a stable of horses. Treated as property.
It was nothing more than "hide the weenie" so suck it up.
contactjrnow 2 years ago 4
MARRIAGE to more than one woman would make any man want to hide and never come out. Do you know why?
Do you know the POWER that those many women would have?
Brigham Young had some 19 wives, at least half of whom lived in the SAME HOUSE. At one time, he also had TEN teen age daughters under that same roof.
Do you know what happens, physically, with that many women together in one household? Can you imagine that many women, that many TEENS, on the same cycle???
Come ON!!!
lindalds 2 years ago
@lindalds
BRIGGY the PIG had 56 wives, you dink!
And, Joe-Joe Smith had 33. (Go to LDS.org and look up Jos.Smith's family-tree records, on himself!)
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 Yes, they had a lot of wives. Brigham Young took care of his wives. Just before he died, he gave each of his surviving wives their own house. at least one wife and possibly three, were sent back east to go to school to learn to be doctors. All were encouraged to go into business for themselves.
lindalds 1 year ago
Don't EVEN think that it was some harem stable!! He didn't have armed eunuchs guarding them or anything!
No, that many women together is POWER.
Two of his daughters wrote books on their home life. I've read one. The man YOU describe and the man his daughters describe are two TOTALLY different men.
No, I don't believe you know what you are talking about. If I didn't know better, I'd say jealousy.
lindalds 2 years ago
@lindalds & what would Brigham Youngs SEQUESTERED SPOILED ROTTEN little daughters know about the wretched business dealings of the despicable POS father. I read several bios of people who dealt with Brigham, he was EVIL, TREACHEROUS, EXPLOITATIVE, ABUSIVE, & DECEITFUL. Mafia bosses use some one else's daughter for prostitutes so they can maintain a fine residence for their daughters. THAT IS how BY worked. You are so foolish !
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins All anyone knows is what others have written. His daughters wrote, and his enemies wrote. I would trust his daughters over his enemies.
lindalds 1 year ago
One thing I can definitely state about the devout Mormons. They sure don't let facts muddy up the waters.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
No, it's just the opposite.
lindalds 2 years ago
linda, you said>
Do you? Do you know secrets that no one else knows?
Are you aware of Joseph Smiths statements about the end times in the temples? Everything that was done in the Jewish temple would be performed in the lds temples. Do you understand what that means? Animal blood sacrifice. This should tell you the sacrifice on the CROSS was never sufficient to Mormons.
THAT is an outright BLASPHEMY to God!
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
Where did he say this?
I know that, in the ordination of the Aaronic priesthood, it says something about how we have it until the sons of Levi again offer sacrifices in the temple, but I don't think that's what you mean, is it?
lindalds 2 years ago
D&C 124 restoration of "all things" from Judaism, the Jewish temple, including the Levi animal sacrifice.
More sacrifice after the cross? This 1 section in Mormon doctrine says that the Lords sacrifice on the cross was a failure. The lds priesthood has been set, "by deceptive men" above the Lords finished work.
Are you seeing the conflict?
After the cross "Jesus" is the temple.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
I didn't see anything like that in 124. What verses are you reading?
lindalds 2 years ago
It's in the D&C with many references to restoration. One thing I noticed in the D&C is all of the Biblical verse theft.
Also Joseph or more likely "Sidney" who wrote the D&C, seemed to think Elias was a different person that the prophet Elijah.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
But, I didn't see anything about restoration of animal sacrifice, especially in OUR temples. It's like you take a few words from here and a few from there and put them together and think "This is what Mormons believe".
lindalds 2 years ago
Everything would be restored from the Jewish temple. What did they do in the Jewish temple? Animal sacrifice to pay for the sins of the world. That's it!
They didn't baptize dead people or marry for eternity.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
I still don't see it. You are seeing what isn't there.
The temple in Jerusalem, I think, is going to be restored. The Sons of Levi will offer sacrifices there, I think. But, NOT in OUR temples.
And even if they didn't baptize dead people or marry for eternity (which I think they did do), that does not preclude that God will never tell US to do that.
GOD speaks to us, thru His prophet and apostles. That is a beautiful thing.
lindalds 2 years ago
WHAT!
They never baptized dead people or married people in the Jewish temples.
I will repeat again.
Mormonism is the theft of the Jewish identity and names. Theft is a sin.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
Whatever. We don't go against GOD. What you think of us has no effect.
lindalds 2 years ago
lindalds said "fact" and "Mormon" don't belong in the same sentence.
In any context, truer words were never spoken.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I said, as far as anti-Mormons are concerned, "fact" and "mormon" don't belong in the same sentence. They don't spout FACTS about mormons.
lindalds 2 years ago
A Mormon wouldn't know a fact if it hit them square in the magic underwear.
To Mormons, facts are those things that drop out of the south end of a north bound curelom.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Our facts are our facts.
Your "facts" are yours.
The two have nothing to do with each other. Obviously.
It's just so strange that the church you describe has no resemblance to the church I attend every Sunday.
lindalds 2 years ago
Comment removed
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Rigdon also said this in that 4th of July speech:
"We will never be the aggressors, we will infringe on the rights of no people; but shall stand for our own until death. We claim our own rights, and are willing that all others shall enjoy theirs."
lindalds 2 years ago
I would guess that the Fancher-Baker party didn't agree with Rigdon's statement as they were being murdered. I would say that blowing innocent women and children's brains out as recently proven by forensic examination of the remain' would qualify as aggression and infringement on their rights. Then to lie about for way over a hundred years.
That really establishes credibility with me. I guess you must have taken the blue pill that allows the blissful ignorance of illusion
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Rigdon was speaking to those who either left the church, or were persecuting the church, in 1838. MMM happened in 1856 or thereabouts.
You ever read about the Haun's Mill massacre?
lindalds 2 years ago
1957 actually.
Haun's Mill massacre.
Do you mean the one in retaliation for the killing of one Missourian and mutilation of another, as well as attacking Missouri State Troops, at the Battle of Crooked River?
Guess you shouldn't piss the bear off if you can't back it up.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Sept 1857
contactjrnow 2 years ago
no, 1857.
If Haun's Mill was in retaliation of something, then it was done by cowards. There were no women, children or old men at any of those things you mention.
One man found a child outside the barn, unarmed of course, and shot him in the head at point blank range. HIs words? Nits make lice.
Now THAT's bravery.
I don't say that the MMM was a good thing, it wasn't. I just do not believe that it was done at the orders of Brigham Young. If he had wanted those people killed,
lindalds 2 years ago
Missed my correction by 22 minutes didn't you.
Christians don't make the outrageous and arrogant claims that Mormons (and Muslims) do.
With us, everyone else is not an abomination or "whores of the earth", but you probably missed those LDS quotes right?
Quick get the head right back in the sand.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
No, they just tell everyone who doesn't believe like they do that they're gonna burn in hell.
And the ONLY time I hear of "whores of the earth" is when I hear it form anti-Mormons.
And frankly, I always thought those creeds were an abomination, even before I knew anything about Mormons.
lindalds 2 years ago
'''And the ONLY time I hear of "whores of the earth" is when I hear it form anti-Mormons. "
Didn't do a lot of LDS studies did you. Check out McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"
So you were messed up in the head before you joined the LDS?
contactjrnow 2 years ago
McConkie's book was McConkie's opinions. He even said so at the beginning of the book. Did you know that he wrote it before he became a General Authority?
lindalds 2 years ago
He was in the Quorum of Seventy when he released it and the second edition was approved by the general authority.
Even as a member of the seventy, should he not have be knowledgeable in LDS doctrine, other than his strong racist opinions about "darkies" as he referred to blacks at the time.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Like I said, he said in the introduction of HIS book that this was HIS work and HIS work alone, and was NOT official church policy. For it to be official church policy, it would have had to be written by ALL of them, not just a nod of approval. And it would be published by THE CHURCH, not just a business owned by the church.
lindalds 2 years ago
Hey linda...just to brush you up on your doctrine.
I wonder who Joey is referring to when he mentions "that great church"
"there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Ne. 14:10-11)
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Joseph SMith is not referring to any church. NEPHI was referring to the Church of Christ vs the Church of Satan. He could not have been talking about any one denomination, since there WERE no denominations then.
And EVEN IF Joseph Smith wrote it (hard for me to believe) he no doubt was NOT referring to any churches but the ones he was familiar with. Those were the Methodists, the Presbyterians and the Baptists.
lindalds 2 years ago
Joseph Smith ran his FOUL LOUD mouth incessantly about his role of latterday prophet &head of the great restoration mandated by the great ALL INCLUSIVE apostacy.Funny thing,all churchs were corrupt so Joe started another one to be corrupt in the interest of serving his needs.I have been in your LDS temple.
I know 1st hand the slights directed at other faiths,leveled specifically at Catholicism &protestants. Funny, LDS INC has become the Utah version of EVERYTHING Joe condemned!
MORmONS!
genexrollins 2 years ago
It wasn't the CHURCHES that were corrupt. It was the PASTORS.
Of course, we ALL know that there couldn't POSSIBLY be Christian pastors who are corrupt!
I didn't see any slights. I saw truth.
lindalds 2 years ago
From the beginning of Christianity there have been faithfull, devout honest teachers of Christianity. Nothing was lost. Today, there are more honest teachers of Christianity that what you are led to believe.
Your own pride is keeping you from the truth. Mormon doctrine, priesthood and ceremonies and families forever are comforting but the end result will always breed pride. Men can do nothing to save themselves or improve their status in heaven. Christ is the only way.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
Nothing was lost? The priesthood was lost. Prophets and apostles were lost. Revelation from God was definately lost. So many Christians today say that God ONLY speaks thru the pages of the Bible. Did God shut His mouth to us, or are we turning a deaf ear?
Frankly, I can't think of a time when we've needed prophets and apostles MORE than we do today.
Eph. 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine...
lindalds 2 years ago
I certainly don't believe that God would use a lying cheating treasure seeking adulterous charlatan like JS to be his messenger
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I guess God didn't see him like that. Of course, that could describe many many people. For instance, a lot of the men chosen by Christ had a lot of problems. Like Paul for instance, who was a murderer several times over. Or Simon/Peter, who was a lying coward.
lindalds 2 years ago
No pride? Sure sounds prideful to me when Christians boast that THEY are going to heaven, and *I* am going to hell! if I don't "get right with God" (read: if you don't do things the way I think you should).
lindalds 2 years ago
Since Nephi was a creation of JS, it was JS who said it. So Joe was not aware of the oldest and largest Christian church on the planet.
I realized he was of very limited education, not knowing about lack of the steel, horses, cattle, compasses, etc in the times he wrote of, but he couldn't have been that uninformed.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
We don't believe that Nephi was a creation of anyone but the same God that created us all.
I still don't know why, if it was all a big hype, that he carried it out as far as he did. He never had money. He was not only persecuted vocally, but physically; the time he was dragged from his house, in the dead of winter, stripped, and covered with hot tar and feathers, while his baby son lay dying in the house. Those men were as guilty of murder as if they had knifed the child. And yet, he kept on.
lindalds 2 years ago
I know you don't believe Nephi was Joey's creation but the rest of the Christian world knows it was a sham.
I don't condone anything that would harm an innocent, and the perpetrators will get their just rewards.
Joey was power hungry. He viewed himself as a great general of his own army, a potential candidate for presidency of the US, they spiritual leader of a people. He just wasn't successful with money as shown by his treasure seeking days and the failure of the Kirtland Anti-Banking scam.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
How Joseph Smith viewed himself and how others viewed him is two different things.
I can view myself as a great general or POTUS, but that doesn't mean others see me that way.
Millions of people saw/see Joseph Smith as a true prophet of God. Hundreds of those actually knew him. Even those who didn't see him as a prophet, but knew him as a neighbor, thought highly of him as a person. It's the ones who were paid by DP Hurlbut who "testified" to his shady character, didn't know him from adam
lindalds 2 years ago
And BILLIONS see him as a fraud with a flock of drones supporting his corporation, nothing more.
By LDS admission the actual amount of charity that goes out to non-LDS poor and hungry averages out to 3 to 4 dollars per year per member.
The stingiest corporation ever. Makes old Scrooge look like Santa Clause
Strictly business, with a warm and fuzzy wrapper..
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Those BILLIONS don't know what they see. Cause what they see and what is are two TOTALLY different things. There are a lot of ophthamologists in our church!
ok, where did you get those stats? And is it, donations per member of each member giving directly to non-church charities? i.e. dropping money into the red bucket?
Or is it donations given by THE CHURCH?
lindalds 2 years ago
I work at the bishop's storehouse. Since I started there in august, the storehouse has given away somewhere between $10,000 and $15,000 worth of food and other commodities to local charities. And we just cover central and southwestern Ohio.
And do your figures also take into account the cost of clothing donations? We don't have DI around here, so it's the SA or the VofA or something.
My friend in another ward said a non-member couple was seeing their bishop for financial help. NON-member.
lindalds 2 years ago
@ lindalds, but how much do they give tp people who have no interest in Joseph Smith? And as far as the church welfare program, I shutter to think of what JESUS would do. Does your Bishop have the proper forms filled out for you.?
pappyforyou 1 year ago
@pappyforyou We give up to $1000 a year to whomever applies for it. We've given to a local Salvation Army, several women's shelters, and food pantries around where I live. Thousands of dollars of food and other items, like diapers, and cleaning things.
And yes, you do have to fill out a couple of forms. But then, a lot of other people ask for such things, too.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds
Quit stalking videos like this! You're a disgrace: peddling your little relgious nonsense!
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 Just trying to clear up any misconceptions people have bout us. If you are allowed to post here, so am I.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds "If you are allowed to post here, so am I."
and WHAT is the basis for that declaration, besides MORmON logic / your STUPIDITY ! You are allowed to post here because of my graciousness, not because you have anything wortth saying, as I think the truth usually prevails with most people when its given a chance & MORmONS are their own worst enemy, so I dont CENSOR my site the way Most pro MORmON sites do. & your attempt to censor here by de fault is noted. MORmONS = LIARS !
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins If, as you say, the truth prevails, and you think you have the truth and I do not, then why are you afraid to let me post here? Or anyone else afraid?
We don't care about people who disagree with us, but when people like you, who's most intelligent arguments use words like "moron", "stupid" etc., then it's no wonder some people won't let you post.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds "If, as you say, the truth prevails, &you think you have the truth &I do not, then why are you afraid to let me post here? Or anyone else afraid?"
HELLO! MORmON! Your post is still here!
You BITCH as if your post is pulled &yet it is STILL HERE. Somehow the turth is prevailing even with your MORmON whining/ Persecution complex acting up -just as the video says! Then you dare say others best point is name calling? -WRONG! THEN you wonder why you get called STUPID/ MORmON !
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins Are you a Christian? I have to ask, because I don't think that a Christian would talk like this, to anyone.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds what obligation could anyone possibly have to be truthful or forthcoming with someone else who is as deceitul, despicable, spiteful, arrogant, & two faced as MORmONS are ! Being a Christian is one thing, being patient is one thing. being stupid is something else. Being a Christian does not obligate anyone to go around with MORmONS sticking knives in their back.
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins I think that it's called The Great Commission, where Jesus said to His disciples, go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. Now, I don't see that from you at all. If you believe I do not know the gospel, then why aren't you preaching it? I doubt that Jesus ever used the language you do, even to the Pharisees.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds " I think that it's called The Great Commission, where Jesus said to His disciples, go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. Now, I don't see that from you at all. If you believe I do not know the gospel, then why aren't you preaching it? I doubt that Jesus ever used the language you do, even to the Pharisees."
Yah, & you think PERVERT Joe Smith is a prophet too ! How many teen age girls did Jesus marry? How wives of other living men?
genexrollins 1 year ago
@lindalds "We don't care about people who disagree with us, but when people like you, who's most intelligent arguments use words like "moron", "stupid" etc., then it's no wonder some people won't let you post. "
you MORmONS DO care about people who disagree with you AND you can not stand it.
& you get called MORmONS because You ARE MORmONS. IF the stupid fits THEN wear it !
or are you too afraid that reality ! With that in mind I am going to answer your question, stupid bitch!
genexrollins 1 year ago
@lindalds you need to get straight on this right now. I control this site, you stooge MORmON hag. You do not control this site. IF if decide you are not well enough in touch with this Fact , your posts will come down in a flash. just like your MORmON church is doing right now.
genexrollins 1 year ago
@genexrollins Fine, but just remember, if you remove my posts, it's because you are too afraid of what I have to say. Truth hurts.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds you MORmONS cant tell the difference between a right & a privilege. Others can! You come here & shoot off your mouth like you own the place. YOU DO NOT! your Comments like "if you can post here I can too" PROVE what is being said about your ignorance & foolishness. Your posts are allowed here because they do prove something & it is how true MORmONISM really is, but not in the way you think. You certainly are not allowed here because you have a right or that we like you.
genexrollins 1 year ago
@lindalds If I pull your posts, it is because I FEEL LIKE IT. You &/or MORmON *logic* do NOT run this site.
Sometimes we just get tired of your MORmON crap, no matter how much it is proving OUR POINT, which is the only point it has ever proven.
yes the truth hurts! for LIARS like MORmONS. Yes the truth prevails! with ppl who can think instead of just being MORmONS! SUCK ON THAT BITCH !
genexrollins 1 year ago
@lindalds
All the charity you mention is great. I'm glad your church is helping people. However, it you compare it to the revenue it's estimated that the church brings in, it's only about 2% of it. Comparatively, many other churches give away 10% as a general rule (tithing applies to organizations, too).
Plus, these churches seem to talk about it a lot less. So while I'm glad for the good works the Mormons do, it often seems like they do it for the good publicity it brings. Just saying...
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief we would not have to sound our own trumpets if people would stop accusing us of wasting OUR money. What other churches do is good and fine and it's up to them. We do what we do, and it's not a little bit. It's more than just money. The thing is, like I said, it's our money and we use it as we see fit. We are very responsible with it.
lindalds 1 year ago
@lindalds
In my first post, I clearly stated that it's the Mormons money and that they can do as they see fit with it.
It's still a waste.
And that's a lousy excuse for sounding your own trumpet about your (false) religion.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
There are many similarities between Joey and Mohamed. Both power hungry, wannabe generals, polygamists (although Mo's youngest wife was 6 years old not 14 like Joey's. They call that pedophilia).
They both started fictitious religions. The only difference is that Mo had more success, and his religion is quite a bit more oppressive and dangerous.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
And I think that MOhammed is rolling in his grave over how corrupted his religion has become.
I think that if you ever met Joseph Smith, you'd think, wow, he's not what I thought.
lindalds 2 years ago
Mo's religion didn't become corrupt, is was started that way. Any religion that holds the death sentence (to this day) for leaving the faith is screwed way beyond redemption.
If I ever met Joe I'm sure I would need a fire retardant suit as I'm told it get real hot down there.
If by some stretch of the imagination, Joe actually believed his own crap, then his mentality was on par with Nero and I don't think Dr. Phil could help the poor deluded nut.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I don't think I'm gonna touch this one.
lindalds 2 years ago
he would have had it done a lot sooner, and a lot quieter.
lindalds 2 years ago
Did you know that Utah, the Mormon state, is the number one subscriber to Internet porn?
Wonder why? Wouldn't be all the phony repressiveness would it?
Another beer for me!
Next trivial pursuit question?
contactjrnow 2 years ago
and even tho there are a lot of Mormons there, it's less than half now. Just because it's UTAH doesn't mean it's MORMON.
Besides, we're all human, right?
Utah is not reality. There are more Mormons outside Utah than in, and more Mormons outside the USA than in.
lindalds 2 years ago
Utah has the highest rate of Mormons per capita.
I also know that is now less than 50%. It's the only state that still tries to act like a theocracy.
The reason Mormonism is stagnant in the US and growing mainly in third world countries is that people are too well informed in the industrialized nation.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Well informed? about what? About anti-Mormon propaganda, anti-Mormon hate, anti-Mormon fear? You got THAT right.
But about Mormons? No, you don't EVEN know what we are. If you did, you would not EVEN be so nasty, so vituperate.
lindalds 2 years ago
vituperate....haven't seen that one used in a while.
Well informed about the numerous contradictions within LDS teachings, such as BoM Jacob 1:15, 2:24, 2:27 vs. D&C 132 and the innumerably lies told to the public, starting with JS up to and including Hinckley. Jury is still out on Monson,
The ludicrousness of Mormonism is getting harder to hide from the masses, and even from uninformed LDS individuals, who normally leave the LDS after realizing they have been lied to.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I see no contradictions between Jacob and D&C 132. David and Solomon DID take wives and concubines that they were not entitled to. And God does not permit plural marriage unless He commands it. He didn't command it in 132, He allowed that IF a man married more than one wife, he was not committing adultery. God commanded plural marriage until 1890, then He excused the church from practicing it.
There were no lies, either.
lindalds 2 years ago
David & Solomon messed up ...but it was OK for Joe Smith to take other mens wives? HELLOOOOOOOO-OOOOOOO?
genexrollins 2 years ago
He didn't TAKE them, he was sealed to them. It wasn't a traditional marriage.
lindalds 2 years ago
so when the bible says Gods is consistent & unchanging, the same yesterday, today & foever it really means only in propensity to constant change his mind & flip flop. &when Joe Smith called it the New&Everlasting covenant -everlasting just meant until 1890!
So true religion by LDS standards is more like a game of Simon Says than anything else. Come to think of it B.Young even suspended tithing when it suited him, but LDS quickly brought that back.
..... SIMON SAYS !
genexrollins 2 years ago
The New and Everlasting covenant has nothing to do with PLURAL marriage. I can post the whole verse that says what exactly is the New and Everlasting covenant. It's just that every time someone posts verses, it gets spammed. But it's D&C 132:7.
No prophet does anything "when it suits him". He does what God tells him.
lindalds 2 years ago
New and Everlasting in Mormon speak seems to mean New and Temporary until something better comes along. The whole polygamy thing proves that.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Like I said, New and EVerlasting covenant has NOTHING to do with PLURAL marriage.
lindalds 2 years ago
And then Santa Claus and the three bears decided to start a church.........
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Playing on semantics with Joey's "I know how to get all the nookie I want" revelation adds no credibility to it.
"There were no lies, either."
Right, so all the differing versions of the First Vision are true, which is impossible.
Joey, et al, wasn't even a good liar.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
If all he wanted was "nookie" he could have said God told him to just take concubines or something. No need to go thru all the marriage stuff.
Of all the different versions of Paul's conversion on the Damascus road, which is the right one?
lindalds 2 years ago
you act as if Joe's additional "Marriages" & "brides" were an open proper formal affair. Joe's adultery operation was very much in the mode of taking it on the sly with the absurd warrant among LDS insiders of Joe claiming that God dictated it. Joe was attempting to hide it & lied about it to the public right up to the time he died. Why all THAT non sense if it really was God's plan? WELL IT WAS NOT!
genexrollins 2 years ago
They weren't MARRIAGES. They were SEALINGS, there is a difference.
There is no evidence that he had sex with 99% of these women.
lindalds 2 years ago
You haven't read the wives journals have you?
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
"or something" that's pure MORmON profundity !
how many versions of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus do you think there are? Which one forgets to mention God being there? -which would be equivalent to bombastic bumbles of Joe's many First Vision accounts.
( I sense some FAIR/FARMS/ NIBLEY IDIOCY on the way! that stuff sounds so good at BYU /on Channel 11 until its repeated out side the bubble of the MORmONICALLY INSANE!
Then suddenly its just tragically LAME! )
MORmONS!
genexrollins 2 years ago
Yes, of course, when confronted by a double standard, there is no recourse but to start name-calling.
Juvenile.
lindalds 2 years ago
Joseph couldn't take a concubine with the membership watching him. He had to invent something to downplay his adultery and make it look as if God authored it.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
So, he was NOT a sex-starved, power-hungry megalomaniac who only wanted people to blindly follow him?
Seems to me that if he was that concerned about what other people thought, he would never have done it in the first place.
lindalds 2 years ago
@lindalds "If all he wanted was "nookie" he could have said God told him to just take concubines"
As Joe wanted nookie all he had to do was find stupid brainless hags ( as in DUMB BITCHES) like you that swoon over LDS leaders at every turn, who would give him FOOL sex service at any time for the sake of the tiniest whisper about it being God's will & you being His special servant. You are sick, sickening & pathetic, MORmON!
settypatch 1 year ago
Orrin wears a Mazuza and he will not wear a cross. Crosses are taboo to mormons.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
The cross is probably the most inhumane and heinous form of torture and death.
lindalds 2 years ago
Yeah, but Christian's use it to remember the sacrifice of Christ unlike the LDS who can keep their pentagrams and masonic symbolism.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Symbols mean what those using them say they mean. For instance, you wear a cross to remember Christ's sacrifice. But what if He had been killed some other way? If He had been beheaded, would you wear a little guillotine? Or if he had been stoned to death, would you wear a rock? Have you ever read what the body goes thru that is being crucified?
When the SL temple was being built, there was no such thing as a Church of Satan. So, they had no symbols, either.
lindalds 2 years ago
When was the last crucifixion you witnessed?
Yeah I guess we should just forget He died for us and plaster pics of Joey all over.
Incidentally I never mentioned anything about Satanism....you did, Freudian slip?
Pentagrams are pagan, Wiccan, masonic...whatever. They mean nothing to me.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I don't have to witness one. But others have studied it.
There are way more pictures of Jesus Christ in our church than of Joseph Smith.
lindalds 2 years ago
Not in the one I visited. It was Joey over Jesus 10 to 1.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
You haven't been to mine then.
lindalds 2 years ago
In as much as I am not sure where "yours" is, it is most likely that I have not.
Toronto isn't it?
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Nope, central Ohio.
lindalds 2 years ago
Sorry, my bad. Had you mixed up with someone else.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
"pentagrams" are stars that represent the Telestial Kingdom. If YOU see evil there, that says more about you than about us.
lindalds 2 years ago
I don't see evil. I see fairy tales. Is the Telestial kingdom closer to Middle Earth or Kolob?
You have to be a convert. They are usually the ones who fanatically accept the silliness without knowing the deep down dirty doctrine.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Well, what you call the "deep down dirty doctrine" is usually not doctrine. And when did any other Christians ever see their own deep down dirty doctrine? I've seen it.
lindalds 2 years ago
The old "That's is not doctrine " card.
Remember Briggy said that any thing he preached could be taken as gospel.
Damn those double edged swords.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Not really. And not to us. He is not our prophet now, Pres. Monson is. His words trump Brigham Young's.
lindalds 2 years ago
So in effect, what you are saying is that the words of every dead prophet is now null and void, so ipso facto Joey was full of it?
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Not null and void. But, if there is something they said that God still wants us to know, then He will tell His CURRENT prophet and His CURRENT apostles to tell us.
We can study what the past prophets have said, but, if there is some question about it, then we look to today's prophet and the scriptures, over what they said yesterday.
Like the man said, that was then, this is now.
lindalds 2 years ago
So in Mormon-speak "everlasting" means "temporary"?
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Nope, we firmly believe in the New and Everlasting Covenant. It has nothing to do with PLURAL marriage.
lindalds 2 years ago
TNAELC has everything to do with Mormon Polygamy! I LOVE it when you MORmONS are pressed to the point of denying your own doctrine.
genexrollins 2 years ago
No, it does not.
D&C 132:7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed,
lindalds 2 years ago
There is no humanist court legalism in heaven. Joseph wrote, "verily I say" and the rest of it was written by an attorney, "Oliver Cowdery"
If you can't see the attorney language in the D&C you are blind.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
Sometimes, God has to use legal language, to make sure that we know exactly what He wants us to be doing, and how to do it. That was why there was the Law of Moses, before Christ. And now, since there's been so much apostasy from the original church, things have to be spelled out, otherwise, people just go off and do their own thing and think "This is what God wants".
lindalds 2 years ago
whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
lindalds 2 years ago
THAT verse IS the New and Everlasting Covenant. As you can see, it has NOTHING to do wtih PLURAL marriage.
lindalds 2 years ago
Is this why an elder who has lost a wife makes sure he is sealed for eternity to the next wife?
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
Interesting video. Strange how the LDS like to conveniently forget historical facts that don't show them in the best light.
Pass the Jell-O and Prozac please.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Yes, we SHOULD be going around telling everyone ONLY the bad things that happen to us.
I don't see the evangelicals doing that.
lindalds 2 years ago
Not necessarily, but a small helping of honesty wouldn't hurt anything other than the coffers. My wife was not aware of all the crap not included in the warm and fuzzy beginning when she got her holy dunking. When she found out the truth such as the infinite number of gods, the non-virgin birth and the rest of the really weird stuff, like magic underwear, she left so quick you couldn't see her for the dust cloud. My wife is not gullible though and is open to discussion, which lead her out.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
However, none of that stuff is real. There is only ONE God that we worship. There MIGHT BE that which SOME OTHERS call gods, but they have nothing to do with us or we with them.
Non-virgin birth is not true, we DO believe in the virgin birth.
We don't have MAGIC underwear. We have special garments we wear if we have been thru the temple, but there's nothing magic about them.
If she is open to discussion then why not discuss it with me? Cause that's all a bunch of anti-Mormon hooey.
lindalds 2 years ago
You obviously know squat about the teachings of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or Bruce McConkie.
Back to the end of the line and start studying again.
And just because you use capitals does not make it any more true.
Silly girl.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I know more than you do. Obviously.
lindalds 2 years ago
You know Jack Squat, but then you'll just say that he is another prophet.
You must have a case of blue pills.
Happy new year. I'm having a beer, you go grab a Prozac and some Jello and I'll "cheers" ya.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Gordon B. Squeaky doesn't want anyone to know the truth. Most Mormons don't even know all of the secrets.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago 2
Do you? Do you know secrets that no one else knows?
lindalds 2 years ago
Most non Mormons know a lot more about it than you. We aren't restricted by the LDS hierarchy and dictated what we can and can't read.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I can read whatever I want, or can stomach. You read only what you want to read and see only what you want to see.
lindalds 2 years ago
Do you have your fingers in your ears going Blah Blah Blah?
I can quote LDS teachings backing up what I say and all you do is use Monty Python logic...."That's not true".
Back of the line again.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Whatever.
I'm sorry for you.
lindalds 2 years ago
What a comeback!
Wow!
Don't feel sorry for me, I'm not LDS....and....I can read.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
I can read, and I do read. More than you do, no doubt.
lindalds 2 years ago
Then your ability to read is superseded by your lack of comprehension.
I would guess that you are single and signed up after a separation, divorce or some such event.
Just a guess.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
Nope, married (will be 24 years in a couple days) with three grown children.
lindalds 2 years ago
Is hubby LDS also?
contactjrnow 2 years ago
of course.
lindalds 2 years ago
@contactjrnow
Hello, you Mor(m)on! Tell the people, here, if Elder Paul H. Dunn was guilty of lying to his fellow LDS, over and over, again, about himself. Tell the people if Elder Dunn ever said, "I'm sorry, for telling lies and for publishing those lies, in books that I wrote". Tell the people how Uncle Boyd (K. Packer) rushed in, to cover Dunn's behind, when Dunn was being investigated, for his part, in the Afco, Inc. fiasco and scandal.
Tell the good people, here, all about it. OK?
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2
Curious why you addressed this to me. I am not Mormon and believe nothing that comes out of the ever changing LDS doctrine.
contactjrnow 1 year ago