@CytherLynx 1. Socialism doesn't mean everyone gets paid the same amount of money regardless of work. 2. The US is the least socialist economy among Western countries and also has one of the lowest standards of living and highest unemployment rates. 3. Taxes in the US are currently at a record low, meaning that during every prosperity and growth we have ever had, we have also had higher taxes.
Only a socialist future holds out the hope of a sustainable one for the planet. We need to build a global society in which production is democratically decided upon and centered round what nature and humanity collectively need.
So. How will we bring out this Socialism? It requires that everyone gives in to the ideal. Let's just say a middle class man doesn't want his money to be redistributed, he will resist or hide his money somehow. With enough people thinking like that, socialism will not truly come to fruition without coercion or bloodshed. Okay let's say that we all have equal money. If I try to get more money by opening up a small business, why would I work if know my money will just go elsewhere?
@jpzxcvbnm A proper socialist society wouldn't dicate every citizen having equal wealth. It would just dictate that the gap between rich and poor is greatly lessened. Our middle class is dying.
And technically people already have to give up their wealth through taxes -- so it's not like it's something new.
Anarchism, Syndicalism, Cooperativism, Mutualism, Communalism, Participism, Autonomism, and Inclusive Democracy are all forms of socialism that want to reduce and eventually eliminate the state.
@HearingEveryRhyme oh well in that case lets embrace it as if socialism works. get with the fucking program. I am sure some things the Nazis did were good as well. thet does not mean i am going to become a fucking Nazi. Socialism as a whole is BAD you don't get to Cherry pick and proclaim it some Great system. Socialism does not work and the idea that socialists think they can somehow Force it on the rests of us makes me want to smash their head with a fucking Rock.
@cldump No but we should embrace the good aspects of the nazi government just as we should implement the good aspects of capitalism, socialism, anarchy, eco-fascism etc. Cherry picking is what made the concept of a republic. It draws from the idea of mob rule, democracy, and a more authoritarian form of government.
To say that socialism doesn't work requires you to admit that capitalism doesn't work. Since the industrial revolution, we have seen the poor get poorer and the rich richer.
Everything you know is wrong, rebellion is packaged, religion is a club....... The United States is a High tech totalitarian fascist police state dictatorship where most people believe it is a free country. (secret fascism- the ideology of cowards) The rest of the world is the same only people believe different things. The minute any rebellion (real or fake) takes off it's PJ's and goes to the street let it go and hope for the best. philipnute com
private property is not theft. It's how people to secure their own futures, a state taking power to itself to seize property in the name of "equality" and leave people with what it doesn't keep for itself is the greatest theft. Socialism, communism with a few in power at the top spreads the most pain and misery as corruption, incompetence spreads quickly-rots from the head down-among the empowered few. I expect NO transparency, NO accountability, NO freedom from today's intolerant left.
I also remember people risking their lives to get out of the "socialist paradises". Many of them died, were killed by their socialist governments. It's still happening. Look at North Korea.
@higuma75 Horsecrap. North Korea isn't a socialist paradise, that's like saying capitalism is represented by Chile under the US-backed murderous dictator.
NOBODY was ever killed by socialism. They're killed by fascism, which has NOTHING to do with the economic system.
It's amazing that, after all the communist systems have utterly failed, there are still so many of these idiots around.
Capitalism isn't perfect. Just like democracy. But we don't have a better system.
And how the socialist systems work, well, in Eastern Europe people hoarded pickles and lined up for bread. In Eastern Germany there was the joke: why is the Trabant 601 (a car) called 601? Because 600 ordered it and only 1 got it.
The former eastern bloc nations never abolished the state or the wages system.Because they remained capitalist nation states, with the means of production under the control of the state not the workers,who remained wage slaves selling their labour power to the state employer.
So, I'm just gonna throw my opinion in there. I think that capitalism, though not perfect, is the best way to go. I mean, why do the rich deserve to lose the money they earned? I myself am not rich, but I still think that if you earn it, it is yours. But if capitalism does deteriorate into socialism, then socialism will eventually crubmle into communism. And history has shown that communism never reall works too well. But maybe thats just my opinion.
@CytherLynx That's insane. Absolute insanity. If one disagrees with the sick notion that the blessings God gave mankind should be hoarded by individuals instead of shared by all mankind, they think the earth is flat?
The idea that people should starving, while you stand there and go "sorry, I guess the guys who hoarded all the wealth freely chose not to share" that's just...
No. Absolutely not. That isn't how it should work. There is NOT a "right" to hoard wealth while others do without.
@CytherLynx Most societies being wrong about something doesn't make it right. And I'm wide awake, jack. I know that the wealthy have take over the world, thanks primarily to the government of the United States of America. That doesn't make it OK, doesn't mean people don't need to fight like hell for a better world.
Deserving of wealth? NOBODY "deserves" poverty. Nobody "earns" the obscene wealth of America's richest. Nobody "deserves" homelessness, or to be denied health care or education.
@CytherLynx So, if one speaks against the obscene inequity in our corrupt system, they're an Iraqi fuedalist? Wow, talk about your straw man!
No country is more backward than our own, where we CLAIM to be the greatest leader in the world, because we can and will murder so many, yet have millions homeless and hungry. We claim to be the world's bastion of "Freedom", yet deny equality to blacks, to women, to gays.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Are you drunk? Private property is theft? Really? Theft is a crime, under what law is private property theft?
BTW, what do YOU own? That computer you're posting on, for example. Is it yours? Your clothes. Are they yours? By your logic, you're a thief as well. If we can even call this "logic".
@higuma75 Under the law of decency, of humanity. Bosses and corporations exploiting the workers is theft. The wealthy hoarding millions for doing NOTHING while hard working people cannot feed their children is theft.
Explain why 45,000 people DIE every year for lack of decent medical care while corporations rake in billions denying them coverage. Explain why our schools are desperately underfunded while we pour billions of dollars into the rathole of pentagon madness.
@CytherLynx To tell me it's a "natural urge" to hoard wealth, that's crap. There's nothing "natural" about allowing a few to have obscene wealth while millions go to be hungry, that's totally UNnatural. There is no such thing as property rights, PEOPLE have rights. And NOT the "right" to hoard private property.
@CytherLynx Capitalism IS corrupt, you talk about socialism always "deteriorating" into corruption, capitalism STARTS there. Comparing economic justice to rape is unbelievable. Just insane. The powers that want to brainwash people into being blind followers of capitalism sure got their money's worth with you.
And no, it does NOT require power in the hands of few, not in the SLIGHTEST.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Define economic justice. You mean its just for people, who work hard, get taxed into the ground, so that the government can give money to people who refuse to work?
Go to Germany. That's essentially happening there. How do you think Greece reached the point of financial collapse? It's all happening because of your "economic justice", or, as the leftwing in Germany calls it, "social justice."
Economic justice is: everyone to his abilities and will.
@higuma75 Nobody is being "taxed into the ground." The crybabies on the far right claiming that the obscenely wealthy being taxed a reasonable rate should be sympathized with make me vomit. Greece is on the brink of collapse for the same reason the US is in trouble, moving to the right and screwing the workers, while the rich pay far too little.
Economic justice is equality, eliminating poverty, the RIGHT to health care and education and food for all being realized.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Those who work hard get rewarded, those who don't... don't. That simple. Why should the working people carry the dead weight of those who refuse to work. Take Germany. 2010 the German welfare state ate up almost 50% of the budget. 2001 it was a third of it and there's no end in sight. Because more and more people REFUSE to work. And why work anyway if you get taxed into the ground and get money without working?
@higuma75 You've swallowed the lies and propaganda fully. Those who work hard do NOT get rewarded, they get robbed by bosses and corporations. The hardest working people in our society are often far below poverty level, the wealthiest get that way sitting in air conditioned offices exploiting the system and ripping off workers and consumers.
It's garbage to claim the poor "refuse to work", a bald-faced lie. Most unemployed CAN'T find work and those who do get treated like slaves.
@CytherLynx And the state is, in doing ALL those things representing the best for the people.
Who decides who is right THE PEOPLE DO. Who votes? Who elects the representatives who MAKE THE LAWS??
You keep babbling about anarchy, why? I'm not an anarchist.
The BULLSHIT of claiming I "bandwagon" with Chomsky, meaning in your weird warped mind I agree with him on everything, is hilarious. I don't bandwagon with ANYONE.
I know Chomsky's argument well, I don't agree with him on everything.
@CytherLynx I didn't say the state is the people, the founders of our nation said it. Government of the people, for the people, and by the people...remember? Your bullcrap of the "government" as some evil force we cannot touch is absolute fiction.
@CytherLynx The state IS the people, jackass. Your ridiculous paranoia about government WHEN IT'S WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST PROTECTING YOUR PRECIOUS PROPERTY is assinine.
You don't know chomsky's argument, you just know that the radical right tells you he's a bad guy and to hate him.
@CytherLynx If I have no "knowledge" (snicker) why haven't you refuted anything I've said? If justice and equality is a "fantasy" than no reason exists for mankind to continue.
There is no such thing as "property rights", the idea that you allow people to die but give rights to property is the most vomitous crap imaginable. FUCK "property rights", what about HUMAN rights?
And it's really hilarious for you to talk about "orwellian" while you do EXACTLY that.
@CytherLynx Bullshit. YOU think our lives should be in the hands of the bosses, of the rich, that people do NOT have value unless they're wealthy. ALL people have their own lives, ALL people should control their lives, and you haven't got 1/1000th of the intelligence of Chomsky, the bogeyman of the selfish thugs of the right. Orwellian my ass. Anarchy and socialism are nowhere CLOSE to contradictory.
The problem is, this is the WORST example to compare to how capitalism really works. In REAL capitalism, the athletes would be paid slave wages, and the so-called "ownership" would make billions. ONLY because of the strength of the union has this been avoided in recent years in pro sports.
And, AGAIN, there is nothing about being a great hockey player that makes you more worthy of human rights than anyone else.
Think again, people--IF what socialism really stands for were so awful, why would these pathetic lies be neccessary? NO, I do NOT think this idiot, whomever he is (and no, I'm not going to waste time looking him up, I don't watch television) is a better dancer than whomever.
They ARE just as human as a great dancer or athlete, and JUST as worthy of human rights. You've shown NO delusions but your own.
@CytherLynx You're ridiculously mistaken. I've read Bastiat, and it's nothing more than excuse making for greed. It's viewing "free markets" as being more important than human life. If THAT is what "western society" is all about, than God save the world from Western society.
I agree it's good to challenge your beliefs, and I'm always doing so. The notion that a person can grow up in America and NOT have socialist views challenged is pretty hilarious.
Socialism/Communism has not failed because its never been tried.The brutal regimes which collapsed in the former eastern bloc was State Run Capitalism,bugger all to do with genuine common ownership.
@majorMcpharter Was not! - each and everyone of these regimes started out as a dream of Socialist Utopia. that is how the power is gained - promises to you and me by the "State". Those promises of free housing, free food, free this and free that were are lies just to gain power. Then the enemies of the state (the opposition, free speech, your rights, private property, etc) are killed, abolished or consumed. The Law is overturned in favor of "the State".
@FreeAgain2 Horsecrap. There are numerous examples of nations with far more economic justice that are NOT "lies to gain power". And capitalism, with it's "give the rich tax breaks, and it'll stimulate the economy and make more jobs for everyone and trickle down" bunkum, THAT is lies to gain power.
Economic justice and this malarky about "enemies of the state" being "killed" have nothing to do with one another. Again, killing enemies is far more associated with capitalism.
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro You mean as you claimed before. I'm not claiming anything even VAGUELY of the sort, but I'm the delusional one? No, I don't even know who the hell "sex" is, and I make no claims whatsoever about his dancing abililty. Is what I'm saying so difficult to deal with that bald-faced lies is ALL you can do?
Moron, idiot, clown, get this through your skull--I do NOT say you're as good at soccer as Pele, I said that doesn't make him a better PERSON. Moron, idiot, clown, get it??
@CytherLynx Hysterical lies. There's nothing REMOTELY "socialized" about our system,
I understand VERY well the horrific immorality of Friedman's mindset. I've had these arguments crammed down my throat my whole life, and they're as immoral as can be.
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro All people ARE equal. You judge people based upon their wealth, and that's sick. YOUR lack of concern about fairness is insane, your bigotry and greed is despicable. Your racist blather about "crackheads" is vomitous, your bullshit about some people "earning" homes is immoral, ALL people earn a home, NO person deserves to be homeless.
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro This so-called "documentary" is a despicable lie. NOBODY chooses to be poor, idiot! The idea that a person, who is desperately poor AGAINST HIS WILL chooses to be free instead of stuck in a shelter does NOT mean he chose homeless
You bet your ASS it's far more moral to help these people than to allow the wealthy to keep stealing from the rest of us. These people aren't lowlife scumbags, they're victims. YOU are the lowlife scumbag, you and those allowing this to happen.
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro You didn't "explain" anything with your hateful, racist attacks on "crackheads," or the pathetic lie that your selfishness and rich getting richer is "moral".
YOU BET YOUR ASS ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL!!!! It's not "insane", it's the most basic principle upon which this nation was founded.
Decency is "disturbing" because it makes you no money. You don't care about people, just profit.
@PrisonerNumber9653 People were 'created' equal. What they DO with there life makes them NOT EQUAL. You can DO something with your life or you can smoke dope all day. I am not equal to Micheal Jordan, Pele, or Brett Favre.
The line you are looking for is "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
@FreeAgain2 More sick bullshit. People do NOT "do" homelessness and poverty. It's done TO them. You're STILL blaming the victim.
You bet your ASS you are equal to Pele or Michael Jordan. They aren't better people than you are, God doesn't love them more, they don't deserve to be BILLIONAIRES while people starve to death. Nobody does.
@FreeAgain2 Through a system which allows it to happen instead of meeting this human right for all people.
A great number of the homeless are mentally ill, and instead of providing help for them, we ignore them, treat them as if they weren't human at all. We see throughout this nausiating conversation the completely preventable problems of poverty and homelessness being treated as character flaws. And those who aren't ill become homeless because of lack of opportunity. NOBODY wants to be poor
You dont believe in liberty, just greed. theres no freedom for the victims of this sick system, and until all are free nobody is. socialism has nothing to do with atrosities, and isnt theft. And while Cuba's a lovely place I intend to visit next year I am nothing but an American.
If Nazis using the word "Socialist" in their name makes themSocialist, than North Korea is Democratic, since they use the word in their name, the Democratic Republic of Korea.
Socialism is Communism is Marxism which is Fascism. 'The people' are governed/directed by what the dictators state-somebody has to be the leader - right?
Well, in the history of Socialism we have Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Chavez (just had his military attack an Ohio owned glass factory in Venezuela) Castro and several others.
In each case, the leader killed millions - Mao killed 60 MILLION people or more (read). THAT is what happens in the end to ALL Socialist's - they kill us.
@FreeAgain2 Lie. Socialism and fascism are polar opposites. There is no "Dictator" your fear of the people turns them into "the state". It's insane that you throw great leaders like Chavez and Che in with bastards like Pol Pot. Are all capitalists Pinochet?
The sick lie that ALL Socialists "kill" is bullshit. On the other hand capitalism DOES kill. Poverty kills thousands of people every day. Socialism never killed anybody.
I'm ex-soviet and I'm truly outraged when I see all these socialist lunatics trying get power in America and the rest of the free world.
I hope they attempt some kind of their typical violent mob "revolutionary" crap and get their stupid marxist asses kicked hard, Pinochet style. Fucking commie scum.
@VonStierlitz There's nothing remotely "lunatic" about economic justice and equality. There's nothing violent about it.
And if you think socialists are "Scum" but pinochet was a hero, you define the word scum. Pinochet was the worst criminal mass murdering bastard ever to come along, supported by the US who looked aside his destruction and killing and said screw democracy because it made wall street happy.
He, and supporters of his Nazi trash like yourself, are the scum.
Fuck your "economic justice and equality". I've had enough of this marxist shit in the USSR. If you like commies so much, get the fuck out to North Korea or Cuba.
As for being a "nazi", there's a surprize for you - I'm Israeli !
And yeah, I hate the fucking marxists, islamists, fascists a scum-supporting leftist morons.
@VonStierlitz Wow, you truly are the lowest of the low, you ADMIT you are against justice and equality. no, I will NOT go to North Korea or Cuba, I will fight to make THIS nation better and more just and equal. You want to continue your nazi hate and greed and destroy the people of THIS nation. You being Isreali doesn't change the fact that your hate and bigotry towards Muslims is EXACTLY like the hate and bigotry of the Nazis. Will we EVER learn?
Yeah, I know how "just" and "equal" you socialist bastards are. Both kinds responsible for many members my own family killed during the WWII by german hitlerite socialists and in the Gulag camps by soviet stalinist socialists. The envious collectivist "progressive" bastards are a biggest threat to the free society. Worse than the islamist religious fanatics could ever be. Fuck you, your prison "equality" and your criminal "justice".
@VonStierlitz Liar. Socialists didn't kill ANYBODY in WWII, socialists were, like Jews and homosexuals and other groups VICTIMS targetted by the Nazis. Calling the Nazis "Socialists" is a bald-faced lie, a perversion of language. HITLER WAS NOT A SOCIALIST!
Progressives don't threaten a free society, greed and poverty do. That you ALSO throw in racist attacks on Muslims is no surprise. Calling equality and justice "criminal" shows how truly without conscience you are.
Bullshit. NSDAP (the nazi party) = Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei. (National Socialist German Workers Party.)
Joseph Goebbels: "Der Idee der NSDAP entsprechend sind wir die deutsche Linke! Nichts ist uns verhaßter als als der rechtsstehende Bürgerblock." 06.12.1931
Goebbels said already in 1931: "According to the idea of the NSDAP, we are the german Left! Nothing is more abhorrent to us than the right-wing burgeoisie."
@VonStierlitz More hysterical lies. The term they use here has NOTHING to do with real socialism. The Nazis WERE NOT Socialists. They did NOT have socialism in Germany under the Third Reich. Ever. The Marxists and socialists fought AGAINST the Nazis, and still do.
The soviet type wasn't real enough for ya ? Obviously it was an evil regime, equal to the one in Hitler's Germany. Maybe you prefer a Maoist commies instead ? These evil maoist cunts exterminated 60 millions of their own people. Not "equal an just" enough for ya ? How about all these "socialist" Baathist murderers in the Middle East then ? Or the Marxist criminal regimes in Africa ?
@VonStierlitz Real socialism is an economic theory of equality, it was NOT followed, at all, by Nazi Germany. The Soviets were NOT real socialism at all by the later years, corrupted by fascism and fraud. Mao again is no more about socialism than Pinochet was about capitalism. Do you support Pinochet?
You cannot refute or criticize the actual PRACTICE, you can only make up the sick lie that the Nazis followed it, and come up with two or three who desecrated it.
@VonStierlitz No, I'm not. It DOES work in practice, there is NOTHING wrong with the theory that the resources God gave mankind should be shared, not stolen and hoarded by a few.
Retarded? Wow, you truly are without conscience, or the slightest intelligence. Nobody uses that horrible word any more. Do you have ANY morals? AT ALL?
@VonStierlitz I have, repeatedly. Venezuala, among other Latin American counties. Allende was VERY successful in Chile before being murdered by the US government. Scandanavian countries are among the world's strongest economies. It can and does work.
Really ? I guess, that's why society is so fucled up in all these countries, except in Chile where the idiocy was succesfully defeated.
No freedom of speech in Scandinavia or Venezuela, everything is controlled by corrupt government "councils" beaureacracy. Have you ever been in Sweden ? Ask the swedes what they think about their government !
@VonStierlitz SUCCESSFULLY DEFEATED??? YOU SCUMBAG THE CIA MURDERED THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT AND PUT A DESPICABLE NAZI IN HIS PLACE!!! You call that "successful"??
It's a LIE to claim there's no free speech in Scandanavia or Venezueala.
And I know plenty of Swedes who love their nation and the fact that they have economic justice. Anyone who doesn't is free to leave, where are the lines of people who want to leave and aren't being allowed?
Democratically elected ? Heck, even Hitler was "democratically elected".
Say what you will about the brutality of Pinochet, but then ask the chileans whether they would really prefer to live under a marxist regime in a typical Latin American leftist shithole. They would laugh at you.
@VonStierlitz Comparing Allende to Hitler just shows you've not the slightest bit of interest in reality.
And the people in South America CONSISTANTLY show they prefer economic justice to the brutal right wing dictatorships the US has supported. That's in SPITE of the fact that we keep going in and murdering anyone who promotes these ideals.
And the racism of "typical Latin American leftist shitholes" is just garbage. Just plain garbage. WE are responsible for poverty in South America.
"Violent crime in Venezuela is pervasive, both in the capital, Caracas, and in the interior. The country’s overall per capita murder rate is cited as one of the top five in the world. The Venezuelan National Counter Kidnapping Commission was created in 2006, and since then, official statistics have shown alarming increases in reported kidnappings throughout the country. In fact, kidnappings in 2009 have increased anywhere from 40-60 percent from the previous year. "
@FreeAgain2 This "information" taken NOT from people actually there, but from the US government, which is DESPERATE to slander the democratically elected government of Chavez and MAKE UP how terrible things are in Venezuela, in order to justify the illegal and immoral actions of our "Colombia plan" and indirect attempts at a coup or assassination of Chavez.
And much of the violence which DOES exist (and it is VASTLY overstated here) is caused by the OPPOSITION. Chavez didn't cause it.
As for the muzzie fanatics, if you like these "infidel"-hating irrational medieval religious throwbacks, it is yet another sign of how idiotic your worldview is.
@VonStierlitz Wow, so if one doesn't share your sick, irrational bigotry towards Muslims, they're a "jihad sympathizer." yeah, that's typical KKK thinking, all right. Muslims aren't midieval, aren't "throwbacks" (unlike yourself) and don't hate "infidels." That many in the Middle East DO hate America may have something to do with the number of their people we've murdered for no good reason at all.
Well, you may have your illusions, but I have a misfortune to live in the Middle East and have to deal with these mohammedan morons. I have experience. You don't.
Just as you don't have any idea about socialism, marxism and communism.
@VonStierlitz And they have to deal with racist scum like you. To attack anyone based upon their religion, especially with the despicable LIES you barf forth about Islam, is as low as it gets. The hypocrisy of you babbling about nazis, then behaving EXACTLY like them, is truly remarkable.
And fuck your "experience", there is NOTHING that makes bigotry OK, you're EXACTLY like the scum in the south saying "I have reason to hate blacks, I have to live around them".
What "race" is mohammedanism again ? It's a religious ideology and obviously an evil one. Will you ever learn or are you really "mentally challenged", i.e. retarded ?
@VonStierlitz No, your hate and bigotry is evil, there is nothing remotely "evil" about Islam. No, I am not "mentally challenged," nor am I a Nazi scum like yourself.
Yeah, right. When you can't provide any argument to support your leftist marxist lunacy, just label the opponent as "hatemonger", "racist", "bigot", "fascist" or any other fashionable codeword for "enemy of the revolution".
@VonStierlitz Lie. The TRUTH of calling a lie a lie isn't "labeling", there's no "lunacy" in economic justice and equality, and I don't do "codewords."
Nor do the codewords of the fascist radical right scare me off. I don't give a damn if a bunch of airheaded John Birchers call me "commie", I don't believe the propoganda we've been forcefed that they're the "enemy".
And there's NOTHING but racism and bigotry where I've pointed it out. Are you claiming racism is OK?
@VonStierlitz Yes, they are the good guys and yes, it is vicious and blatant racism, I've pointed it out repeatedly.
Salvador Allende was the good guy, Pinochet was the bad guy. We've supported the bad guys over and over and over again in Latin America, guys who screwed their own people over and over, guys who murdered their own people by the thousands, all because it was what was good for US companies and wall street. What we've done in Nicaraugua alone is vomitous evil.
@VonStierlitz Liar, I haven't, UNLIKE YOU, ignored anything. You blow off the atrocities of the United States, I haven't ignored jack shit. Socialism has nothing to do with atrocities, and NOBODY is calling for Pol Pot or Stalin in the US. Nobody. You don't hear ANY socialists defending those scumbags, while you see lowlifes like you defending Pinochet and the murder of Allende, every day.
Socialism has everything to do with atrocities. It's philosophical foundation logically leads to redistributionist collectivist robbery, terror-state oppression, party oligarchy despotism and persecution of independently thinking freedom-oriented intellectuals. We've been through all this shit before. Since 19th century how many more millions of lives have to be sacrificed on the altar of your idiotic bankrupt political theory ???
- It is stealing from someone who EARNED something and GIVING it to someone else did not EARN it.
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Stealing is stealing is stealing. If you steal form the innocent you are a thief. There is no justification for stealing and giving something to someone else (even if the give you vote in return).
In addition - there are consequences to simply handing over wealth - a loss of drive to learn/earn/and create value in your own life!
@FreeAgain2 Wow, that's a twisted mindset if ever there was. Justice is a crime?
There is no such thing as a person who doesn't "earn" human rights, and education, housing, food, health care...these are human rights. EVER person deserves them.
There is nothing REMOTELY like "stealing" in this. The idea that there's no "justification" for economic justice is insane. There is no justification NOT to.
And the sick lie that there's no "drive" in the poor was never true.
I don't get, what the fuck do you marxist motherfuckers always whining about ?
And in USA ! It's THE country of liberty, individualism and you marxist idiots want yet another redistributionist "equality" gulag ? Stupid fucking traitors, you don't value what you have !
@VonStierlitz Justice? Justice is NOBODY goes without enough to eat, NOBODY goes without a home, NOBODY goes without decent health care. I know a lot of young people who are very bright, very driven, and will NEVER see a college classroom because they cannot afford it. That's not justice.
Comparing "Gulags" with equality shows you've no interest in reality, just in McCarthyite propoganda and lies.
Traitor my ass, I'm a proud American, jackass. Your greed has NOTHING to do with freedom.
Why don't you fuck off ? Why I had to WORK in order to get education, pay for my home and food and think it's only fair and just, but you think it has to be "free" ? Who will pay for it then ? Someone else ?
Yeah, I thought so. "Patriot" ? Patriot my ass, you idiot. You belong in Cuba, not the USA. Heh !
@PrisonerNumber9653 Human Rights are not given by a Government. Whatever the Government gives you- it can take away. Those are not "rights" - they are bribes/lies for votes.
Living on welfare - is not freedom, nor justice. Living on welfare is addiction. Learn your skill/trade. Be proud of YOUR WORK. Earn YOUR living.
YOU are not Owed anything.
To think that way - will always leave you BEGGING for someone else to give you something. Freedom means you can earn YOUR own way.
@FreeAgain2 Not given by, just confirmed and defended by. Calling economic justice "bribes" is the most idiotic of a long, long list of lies from the far right.
"Living on welfare" beats the daylights out of starving, and IS far more just than starving. Calling it "addiction" is bullshit, a selfish myth the right promotes. Saying the poor have no pride is just another hateful selfish lie so the rich can get richer.
EVERY Person is owed some things, housing, health care, food, HUMAN RIGHTS
@FreeAgain2 No, and comparing health care and food to cable TV shows how seriously you're taking this.
I truly hope you find yourself in the condition of abject poverty, just crushing hopelessness some day, just to understand for one day what an absolute asshole you're being.
The marxist scumbags are always whining about the alleged "capitalist greed", yet think it's completely fine to be envious bastards demanding that someone provides them with goodies they say they "neeeeed".
@VonStierlitz The greed of capitalism isn't "alleged," it's the most basic premise of the whole deal. What succeeds? Not what's best, not what helps people or furthers mankind, but what makes a buck. It has NOTHING to do this bullshit of "envy", I have NO desire to be a rich scumbag. None. I don't envy them at all.
And shove "Neeed" up your ass. We're talking about health care. We're talking about housing and food, these ARE needs.
And no, you envious collectivist statist redistributionists DON"T have a "right" to demand that others provide you with free education, housing, health care or food. Just as it is not your "human right" to steal someone else's money.
@VonStierlitz First off, I'm not demaning that I be provided with anything. You're so used to being selfish that you think EVERYONE just looks out for number one. Secondly, YES, we damn well DO have a right to demand that people be provided with education, housing, health care and food. THESE ARE HUMAN RIGHTS, and our nation as a whole benefits greatly when every person has them. It's the smart thing to do, the just thing to do, the humane thing to do.
No, it's not a "human right" to demand the state providing you with products of someone else's labour. It IS stealing in the institutionalized statist form, like in the former communist countries. Redistributive "justice" is THEFT.
@VonStierlitz More sick lies. Yes, housing IS a human right. Health care IS a human right. And spare me the BS about "labour", the poor work FAR harder in this nation than the wealthy do. How many ads for "money management" do you hear? "Make your money work for you!" It's not about WORK, it's about the rich exploit the system to get richer.
And if you call taxes "stealing" you are denouncing your citizenship in the US. Paying to run your own nation isn't stealing. Justice is NOT theft.
@VonStierlitz They are HUMAN RIGHTS. How is that you have NO problem with bosses becoming obscenely wealthy off SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR but when we talk about human rights for the poor, it becomes "stealing"?
And no, it remains absolute bullshit to call taxes "Stealing", unless you are declaring yourself no longer an American citizen, you are free to leave and THEN not pay taxes to your nation.
Yes, I have no problem when people get rich. Why YOU do ? Envy ?
If you are poor, it is not a good enough reason to become an envious scum and demand wealth redistribution. You want something that belongs to someone else !
@VonStierlitz Bullshit "envy", it's called human decency, something that's obviously a distant stranger to you.
Being poor IS reason enough to demand wealth distribution, it is reason enough to rise up and DESTROY this evil, corrupt system. I'm not poor, though...just decent enough and moral enough to see that capitalism is theft, is immoral, is destructive, is wrong.
The resources God gave mankind belong to ALL people.
Half (46%) own their own homes. On average a poor person in this country lives in a home with 1,228 square feet (114.1 m2) which they often own, and as noted the home is likely air conditioned, with a refrigerator, cable or satellite TV, a microwave not to mention many other comforts.[48] Cox and Alm[49] conclude that if the American poor formed a country of their own, they would be as well-off or even slightly better-off than the typical family in most European countries.
@FreeAgain2 God, you truly have no conscience whatsoever. What a despicable pack of lies. You want to pretend there's no poverty in America? HORSESHIT! This sick pack of lies from Cox and Alm has been COMPLETELY debunked, it is FALSE.
I would challenge you to spend one week in the shoes of people in real poverty in this nation, instead of pretending it doesn't exist, or pretending the poor have it GREAT. Like those liars Cox and Alm, you have no CLUE what it's really about. No clue at all.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Please note I did not say there "were no poor people". There are! America has had an annual poverty rate of about 11% for about a Century or more.
The question is why has trillion$ of Gov benefits and an endless line of failed Government Programs, from the 1960's onward, not lowered THAT number?
@FreeAgain2 It has lowered the number, and reduced the suffering of those in poverty, why hasn't it more" BECAUSE THEY"RE DREADFULLY UNDERFUNDED! THAT'S WHY! Why haven't our schools done a better job? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FREAKIN' MONEY! You continue to gut the funding for these programs then pretend "they don't work" as sick justification for cutting them MORE. The idea that feeding poor people "doesn't work" is just another pathetic lie.
@VonStierlitz Incredible...hit this guy's page, and see that not only is this hypocrite who calls others "scum" while supporting the worst scum the world's seen this century Pinochet, he's also got a page FULL of KKK bigotry and hate.
you win the hypocrite of the year award. You calling anyone "Scum" is incredible. Your support of murderous rightwing dictators and bigotry and hate makes you the king of scum.
Maybe you don't know what Communists are all about - or what they do - OK that is understandable. Instead of reading about dreams and philosophies - see their actual history and deeds . . .
Here is a documentary intro, called the 'Soviet Story' - watch?v=5uwggPP17IE
@FreeAgain2 In other words, don't look at what they really believe, just listen to the propoganda and lies of those who fear socialism because it might cut into their obscene profits and hoarding of wealth. those who put their own luxuries ahead of human life will ALWAYS make up trash like this. NONE of this crap is "actual history and deeds" of socialism or marxism, they are the actions of people who desecrated and shamed it. And NONE was as bad as Pinochet.
@PrisonerNumber9653 nothing to do with 'propoganda' - I am taking about simply 'body-counts'.
Socialists - in the end - always start killing people. Once somebody else's money runs out - and they can't pay for you and the freebies you crave (free education, free housing, free food, free jobs, free healthcare, free cheese, etc. etc. etc) people just start dying.
@FreeAgain2 Liar. Those "body counts" have NOTHING to do with socialism. Nothing. Education, housing, health care, food, these are HUMAN RIGHTS, treating them like things only some people "deserve" is the sickest lie of all. People ARE dying.
To view the hoarding of massive wealth while people starve as "success" is a sick myth. i don't hate "successful" people. Good parents are successful people, those who make a better community are successful. You think only being rich is "success".
Bloomberg..."Hugo Chavez's efforts to transform his country into a Cuban-style socialist state are sputtering. With its vast oil wealth, Venezuela shouldn't suffer from shortages, yet inefficient farms, government takeovers of supermarkets, and a 50% currency devaluation in January have thrown the food supply into disarray."
Quick! Someone run and tell Barrak Obama Socialism doesn't work. LOL
Bloomberg..."Hugo Chavez's efforts to transform his country into a Cuban-style socialist state are sputtering. With its vast oil wealth, Venezuela shouldn't suffer from shortages, yet inefficient farms, government takeovers of supermarkets, and a 50% currency devaluation in January have thrown the food supply into disarray."
I am so happy. Just a few years ago it seemed as though our country was doomed. Obama saved us don't you see. If it weren't for him the country may never have realized the true nature of the left wing. Thank you Obama the Tea Party couldn't have done it with out you.
Here's their new chant: "Obama's educated & employed, we're not, we're not."
And they won't be. Bunch a lazy deadbeat union pimps & their naive street whores. And, YES, Obama is a socialist. Almost forgot, on behalf of our Pres, assalam alaikum, too.
@Ofor012 Come on, dance, dance little angry frustrated leftard moonbat phony. Dance like the witless UNREAD humourless creep devoid of self reflection that U R. U R as they say, an ineffective mass produced Marxist circus geek. Gobble that raw chicken, boy. I said dance the angry hate spewing dance of the despicable useless leftard. Squawk socialist twerp, tap away U ineffective unwanted parasite. Gibber incoherent junk U laughable commie swine. Ya wll won't U.Like Pavlovs collectivist dog.
@Ofor012 You can't have a wife or children, surely? If so, show der frauline your brave anonymous foul mouthed criminal brilliance. She'll be very er, impressed. And the kids'll love it. "Daddy, what did you do in the imaginary war of your fantasy disturbed Id, you know the one to murder all men, women & children who disagree with you?" "Well kids, whenever I couldn't steal to buy drugs or was not gang raping or masturbating, I ironically mostly sat at my computer, still wanking away.."
@Ofor012 Dear "fucking retard" and "dipshit", oops, in CAPS! "DIPSHIT", Er, you just threatened to kill me and other conservatives on YouTube. What "civil war?" What er, "rights to kill?" A civil war by default lacks such convention, thus the "civil WAR" name. It's between opposing citizens of the same country. You are absolutely hideous. You can't have a wife or children, surely? If so, show here your brave anonymous foul mothed criminal brilliance. She'll be very er, impressed.
@Ofor012 I quote YOU as much as I can stomach & almost enough 2 B charged, little moonbat. YOU drivelled the following. "We hate you with a passion and are counting the days down until you are eliminated form this country ONCE AND FOR ALL. You and your kind are the SHIT STAINS of America and need to be FLUSHED and REMOVED with all due haste . We'll put you 10 feet under again and we'll look forward to it." Etc etc etc ad nauseum. YOU have nothing to offer but your cowardice mediocrity & fraud.
@Ofor012 Balls. My my angry little humourless fascist lefty ain't cha fluffy. I bet ya PARENTS R SO proud of U, their own maladjusted malignant narcisisist son, a violent Marxist radical spineless creep criminal. I bet ya work mates love the way U threaten 2 kill conservatives like gee, more than half of them statistically. Oh, U don't speak like the sub pervert wanna be killer U R in public. Got it. Over 20 percent of people identify as liberal, over 40% as conservative, 35% moderate. Geek.
It may interest some of you lefties to know that the top 10% of earners in the USA pay 70% of the taxes. They also give the most by far to charities and aare the root cause of most job growth....yet you speak of them as if theyre evil people. Ive known some very wealthy people and they were like everyone else...some good and some bad and some in the middle. I knew a man for years that was one of the richest mean in the country but never knew it until he died....next
@NakedLadyMudFlap He drove an old pick up and wore work clothes....when he died he left 10s of thousands of acres for a state park...pristine forrest...You can go there and camp and fish courtesy of a billionaire. He left more money to education....scholarships...and God knows what else. A man that worked for him told me he owned a piece of land as big as a Fla county...and he looked like a farm hand...This won't mean anything to you lefties though..it doesn't enforce ur planned theft.
@Ofor012 Which of the following basics of a reponsible free adult life do you hate and why exactly? Is it because you're a deeply neurotic UNREAD and ignorant leftist failure? Conservatism is merely a set of 4 simple proven principles on which all freedom is based. Respect 4 the Constitution ie freedom of speech, right 2 bare arms, rule of law, private property rights, free flow of ideas & capital. Ltd govt & low taxes. Respect for life & Personal responsibility. That's it.
@Ofor012 You're a cognitive dissonant radical fascist pervert leftist creep making highly illegal criminal threats on YouTube, for which you could be charged and serve serious jail time. No, really. Colonel Robert Neville.
@Ofor012 Conservatism is merely a set of 4 simple proven principles on which all freedom is based. Respect 4 the Constitution ie freedom of speech, right 2 bare arms, rule of law, private property rights, free flow of ideas & capital. Ltd govt & low taxes. Respect for life & Personal responsibility. That's it. What oppresses the free individuals right 2 choose under the law leads 2 tyranny. 4 example totalitarian Marxism communism fascism Islamofascism socialism & Nazism etc, like YOURS.
@Ofor012 You are no American. I could not trust you around a dog never mind children. You are a transplanated criminal weed. A cuckoo. With your repulsive disturbing laughable criminal attitude, it's just a matter of time until you attract the kind of criminal end you fantasise about for others. Are you a La Raza racist bigot rapist etc geek thing? Come on, let us know, you ineffective parasite. zombietime com thepeoplescube com PJTV com lookingaththeleft com michellemalkin com breitbart com
@Ofor012 So you're the misfit and grossly maladjusted malignant narcissist son of immigrants & a wanna be criminal. Got it. SO you "hate America" but U don't go back to your parents land & U R happy to parasite off America. U R obviously hugely popular with mature professional UNI educated men & women. Children look up to U as a role model. Er, NO. U R a creepy sub class cowardly turd. A rapist too. Child or gang rapist? Liquor store hold ups your thing. Ya take drugs right & addicted 2 porn.
@Ofor012 So you're the misfit and grossly maladjusted malignant narcissist son of immigrants & a wanna be criminal. Got it. SO you "hate America" but U don't go back to your parents land & U R happy to parasite off America. U R obviously hugely popular with mature professional UNI educated men & women. Children look up to U as a role model. Er, NO. U R a creepy sub class cowardly turd. A rapist too? Child or gang rapist? Liquor store hold ups your thing? Ya take drugs right? Addicted 2 porn?
i am soooooo sick of all these videos of these one nation assholes. this would of been the perfect time for someone to drive a suicide bomb up or something of the likes
This reminds me of the Socialist marches in Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Socialists and Communists always recruit the dumbest a society has to offer.
Those people who criticized Obama as a Socialist should stop taking benefits such as Social Security or MediCare. Otherwise, they are Socialists as well. Oh, by the way, minimum wages is also a Socialist policy. Hope Republicans have the guts to abolish them all after they become the majority in Congress. I really want to see if they dare to do so.
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@CytherLynx 1. Socialism doesn't mean everyone gets paid the same amount of money regardless of work. 2. The US is the least socialist economy among Western countries and also has one of the lowest standards of living and highest unemployment rates. 3. Taxes in the US are currently at a record low, meaning that during every prosperity and growth we have ever had, we have also had higher taxes.
Sleck06 5 months ago
@CytherLynx hm, you're a pretty smart guy... God Bless you freedom man, and God bless the free market
paulstroie 5 months ago
@paulstroie America does not have a free market but corporate monopolys
Sleck06 5 months ago
@Sleck06 I will agree with you also...
paulstroie 5 months ago
Only a socialist future holds out the hope of a sustainable one for the planet. We need to build a global society in which production is democratically decided upon and centered round what nature and humanity collectively need.
luijoc 9 months ago
So. How will we bring out this Socialism? It requires that everyone gives in to the ideal. Let's just say a middle class man doesn't want his money to be redistributed, he will resist or hide his money somehow. With enough people thinking like that, socialism will not truly come to fruition without coercion or bloodshed. Okay let's say that we all have equal money. If I try to get more money by opening up a small business, why would I work if know my money will just go elsewhere?
jpzxcvbnm 9 months ago
@jpzxcvbnm A proper socialist society wouldn't dicate every citizen having equal wealth. It would just dictate that the gap between rich and poor is greatly lessened. Our middle class is dying.
And technically people already have to give up their wealth through taxes -- so it's not like it's something new.
RiverSkyHigh 7 months ago
M429 anyone?
xxspacebabyxx 10 months ago
Have to agree, these people make Obama look like a Tea Bagger!!!
CComb501 1 year ago
Retards of the world, unite!
jtp0321 1 year ago
@jtp0321 Dude you're late, USA is already around since 1776.
TheRacistsMustDie 1 year ago
In Socialist America the government owns you.
mipoleon 1 year ago
@mipoleon
Socialism doesn't require a government.
Anarchism, Syndicalism, Cooperativism, Mutualism, Communalism, Participism, Autonomism, and Inclusive Democracy are all forms of socialism that want to reduce and eventually eliminate the state.
MsSexySocialist 10 months ago
They look like slaves!
carnypimp 1 year ago
Socialists are human Garbage.
cldump 1 year ago
@cldump Socialists brought you the 8 hour work day and made sure children would not work in dangerous factories.
HearingEveryRhyme 1 year ago 7
@HearingEveryRhyme oh well in that case lets embrace it as if socialism works. get with the fucking program. I am sure some things the Nazis did were good as well. thet does not mean i am going to become a fucking Nazi. Socialism as a whole is BAD you don't get to Cherry pick and proclaim it some Great system. Socialism does not work and the idea that socialists think they can somehow Force it on the rests of us makes me want to smash their head with a fucking Rock.
cldump 1 year ago
@cldump No but we should embrace the good aspects of the nazi government just as we should implement the good aspects of capitalism, socialism, anarchy, eco-fascism etc. Cherry picking is what made the concept of a republic. It draws from the idea of mob rule, democracy, and a more authoritarian form of government.
To say that socialism doesn't work requires you to admit that capitalism doesn't work. Since the industrial revolution, we have seen the poor get poorer and the rich richer.
HearingEveryRhyme 1 year ago
@HearingEveryRhyme not only that, superannuation, annual leave, sick leave, OH&S, and pay rises
MrSystematica 8 months ago 2
@HearingEveryRhyme Complete bullshit. Capitalism did that. Educate yourself on how the economy works.
notadirector 5 months ago
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Everything you know is wrong, rebellion is packaged, religion is a club....... The United States is a High tech totalitarian fascist police state dictatorship where most people believe it is a free country. (secret fascism- the ideology of cowards) The rest of the world is the same only people believe different things. The minute any rebellion (real or fake) takes off it's PJ's and goes to the street let it go and hope for the best. philipnute com
zsezse215 1 year ago
I'm from Europe and never seen so many Patriotic Americans in one spot!
Thanks for posting.
MrJay429 1 year ago 2
private property is not theft. It's how people to secure their own futures, a state taking power to itself to seize property in the name of "equality" and leave people with what it doesn't keep for itself is the greatest theft. Socialism, communism with a few in power at the top spreads the most pain and misery as corruption, incompetence spreads quickly-rots from the head down-among the empowered few. I expect NO transparency, NO accountability, NO freedom from today's intolerant left.
vllmer 1 year ago
I also remember people risking their lives to get out of the "socialist paradises". Many of them died, were killed by their socialist governments. It's still happening. Look at North Korea.
higuma75 1 year ago
@higuma75 Horsecrap. North Korea isn't a socialist paradise, that's like saying capitalism is represented by Chile under the US-backed murderous dictator.
NOBODY was ever killed by socialism. They're killed by fascism, which has NOTHING to do with the economic system.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
It's amazing that, after all the communist systems have utterly failed, there are still so many of these idiots around.
Capitalism isn't perfect. Just like democracy. But we don't have a better system.
And how the socialist systems work, well, in Eastern Europe people hoarded pickles and lined up for bread. In Eastern Germany there was the joke: why is the Trabant 601 (a car) called 601? Because 600 ordered it and only 1 got it.
higuma75 1 year ago
The former eastern bloc nations never abolished the state or the wages system.Because they remained capitalist nation states, with the means of production under the control of the state not the workers,who remained wage slaves selling their labour power to the state employer.
majorMcpharter 1 year ago
So, I'm just gonna throw my opinion in there. I think that capitalism, though not perfect, is the best way to go. I mean, why do the rich deserve to lose the money they earned? I myself am not rich, but I still think that if you earn it, it is yours. But if capitalism does deteriorate into socialism, then socialism will eventually crubmle into communism. And history has shown that communism never reall works too well. But maybe thats just my opinion.
ApplesauceWolf 1 year ago
@CytherLynx That's insane. Absolute insanity. If one disagrees with the sick notion that the blessings God gave mankind should be hoarded by individuals instead of shared by all mankind, they think the earth is flat?
The idea that people should starving, while you stand there and go "sorry, I guess the guys who hoarded all the wealth freely chose not to share" that's just...
No. Absolutely not. That isn't how it should work. There is NOT a "right" to hoard wealth while others do without.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx Most societies being wrong about something doesn't make it right. And I'm wide awake, jack. I know that the wealthy have take over the world, thanks primarily to the government of the United States of America. That doesn't make it OK, doesn't mean people don't need to fight like hell for a better world.
Deserving of wealth? NOBODY "deserves" poverty. Nobody "earns" the obscene wealth of America's richest. Nobody "deserves" homelessness, or to be denied health care or education.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx So, if one speaks against the obscene inequity in our corrupt system, they're an Iraqi fuedalist? Wow, talk about your straw man!
No country is more backward than our own, where we CLAIM to be the greatest leader in the world, because we can and will murder so many, yet have millions homeless and hungry. We claim to be the world's bastion of "Freedom", yet deny equality to blacks, to women, to gays.
Private property is theft.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago 5
@PrisonerNumber9653 People have different amounts of wealth. That is not obscene in and of itself, simply because you say that it is.
voltamp 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Are you drunk? Private property is theft? Really? Theft is a crime, under what law is private property theft?
BTW, what do YOU own? That computer you're posting on, for example. Is it yours? Your clothes. Are they yours? By your logic, you're a thief as well. If we can even call this "logic".
higuma75 1 year ago
@higuma75 Under the law of decency, of humanity. Bosses and corporations exploiting the workers is theft. The wealthy hoarding millions for doing NOTHING while hard working people cannot feed their children is theft.
Explain why 45,000 people DIE every year for lack of decent medical care while corporations rake in billions denying them coverage. Explain why our schools are desperately underfunded while we pour billions of dollars into the rathole of pentagon madness.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx To tell me it's a "natural urge" to hoard wealth, that's crap. There's nothing "natural" about allowing a few to have obscene wealth while millions go to be hungry, that's totally UNnatural. There is no such thing as property rights, PEOPLE have rights. And NOT the "right" to hoard private property.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx Capitalism IS corrupt, you talk about socialism always "deteriorating" into corruption, capitalism STARTS there. Comparing economic justice to rape is unbelievable. Just insane. The powers that want to brainwash people into being blind followers of capitalism sure got their money's worth with you.
And no, it does NOT require power in the hands of few, not in the SLIGHTEST.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago 2
@PrisonerNumber9653 Define economic justice. You mean its just for people, who work hard, get taxed into the ground, so that the government can give money to people who refuse to work?
Go to Germany. That's essentially happening there. How do you think Greece reached the point of financial collapse? It's all happening because of your "economic justice", or, as the leftwing in Germany calls it, "social justice."
Economic justice is: everyone to his abilities and will.
higuma75 1 year ago
@higuma75 Nobody is being "taxed into the ground." The crybabies on the far right claiming that the obscenely wealthy being taxed a reasonable rate should be sympathized with make me vomit. Greece is on the brink of collapse for the same reason the US is in trouble, moving to the right and screwing the workers, while the rich pay far too little.
Economic justice is equality, eliminating poverty, the RIGHT to health care and education and food for all being realized.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Those who work hard get rewarded, those who don't... don't. That simple. Why should the working people carry the dead weight of those who refuse to work. Take Germany. 2010 the German welfare state ate up almost 50% of the budget. 2001 it was a third of it and there's no end in sight. Because more and more people REFUSE to work. And why work anyway if you get taxed into the ground and get money without working?
higuma75 1 year ago
@higuma75 You've swallowed the lies and propaganda fully. Those who work hard do NOT get rewarded, they get robbed by bosses and corporations. The hardest working people in our society are often far below poverty level, the wealthiest get that way sitting in air conditioned offices exploiting the system and ripping off workers and consumers.
It's garbage to claim the poor "refuse to work", a bald-faced lie. Most unemployed CAN'T find work and those who do get treated like slaves.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx And the state is, in doing ALL those things representing the best for the people.
Who decides who is right THE PEOPLE DO. Who votes? Who elects the representatives who MAKE THE LAWS??
You keep babbling about anarchy, why? I'm not an anarchist.
The BULLSHIT of claiming I "bandwagon" with Chomsky, meaning in your weird warped mind I agree with him on everything, is hilarious. I don't bandwagon with ANYONE.
I know Chomsky's argument well, I don't agree with him on everything.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx Uh, YOU are the one who was talking about "property rights", not me.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx I didn't say the state is the people, the founders of our nation said it. Government of the people, for the people, and by the people...remember? Your bullcrap of the "government" as some evil force we cannot touch is absolute fiction.
YOU promote ignorance (and war, one imagines)
No, the state IS the people, jackass.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx The state IS the people, jackass. Your ridiculous paranoia about government WHEN IT'S WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST PROTECTING YOUR PRECIOUS PROPERTY is assinine.
You don't know chomsky's argument, you just know that the radical right tells you he's a bad guy and to hate him.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx If I have no "knowledge" (snicker) why haven't you refuted anything I've said? If justice and equality is a "fantasy" than no reason exists for mankind to continue.
There is no such thing as "property rights", the idea that you allow people to die but give rights to property is the most vomitous crap imaginable. FUCK "property rights", what about HUMAN rights?
And it's really hilarious for you to talk about "orwellian" while you do EXACTLY that.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx Bullshit. YOU think our lives should be in the hands of the bosses, of the rich, that people do NOT have value unless they're wealthy. ALL people have their own lives, ALL people should control their lives, and you haven't got 1/1000th of the intelligence of Chomsky, the bogeyman of the selfish thugs of the right. Orwellian my ass. Anarchy and socialism are nowhere CLOSE to contradictory.
What is contradictory is capitalism and freedom.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro Man, you're really an asshole. Yes, I "understand," clown.
The problem is, this is the WORST example to compare to how capitalism really works. In REAL capitalism, the athletes would be paid slave wages, and the so-called "ownership" would make billions. ONLY because of the strength of the union has this been avoided in recent years in pro sports.
And, AGAIN, there is nothing about being a great hockey player that makes you more worthy of human rights than anyone else.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro Bald faced LIES!! That is NOT what I said, of course.
Think again, people--IF what socialism really stands for were so awful, why would these pathetic lies be neccessary? NO, I do NOT think this idiot, whomever he is (and no, I'm not going to waste time looking him up, I don't watch television) is a better dancer than whomever.
They ARE just as human as a great dancer or athlete, and JUST as worthy of human rights. You've shown NO delusions but your own.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx You're ridiculously mistaken. I've read Bastiat, and it's nothing more than excuse making for greed. It's viewing "free markets" as being more important than human life. If THAT is what "western society" is all about, than God save the world from Western society.
I agree it's good to challenge your beliefs, and I'm always doing so. The notion that a person can grow up in America and NOT have socialist views challenged is pretty hilarious.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
Socialism/Communism has not failed because its never been tried.The brutal regimes which collapsed in the former eastern bloc was State Run Capitalism,bugger all to do with genuine common ownership.
majorMcpharter 1 year ago
@majorMcpharter Was not! - each and everyone of these regimes started out as a dream of Socialist Utopia. that is how the power is gained - promises to you and me by the "State". Those promises of free housing, free food, free this and free that were are lies just to gain power. Then the enemies of the state (the opposition, free speech, your rights, private property, etc) are killed, abolished or consumed. The Law is overturned in favor of "the State".
Then they kill us. Every time!
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 Horsecrap. There are numerous examples of nations with far more economic justice that are NOT "lies to gain power". And capitalism, with it's "give the rich tax breaks, and it'll stimulate the economy and make more jobs for everyone and trickle down" bunkum, THAT is lies to gain power.
Economic justice and this malarky about "enemies of the state" being "killed" have nothing to do with one another. Again, killing enemies is far more associated with capitalism.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro You mean as you claimed before. I'm not claiming anything even VAGUELY of the sort, but I'm the delusional one? No, I don't even know who the hell "sex" is, and I make no claims whatsoever about his dancing abililty. Is what I'm saying so difficult to deal with that bald-faced lies is ALL you can do?
Moron, idiot, clown, get this through your skull--I do NOT say you're as good at soccer as Pele, I said that doesn't make him a better PERSON. Moron, idiot, clown, get it??
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@CytherLynx Hysterical lies. There's nothing REMOTELY "socialized" about our system,
I understand VERY well the horrific immorality of Friedman's mindset. I've had these arguments crammed down my throat my whole life, and they're as immoral as can be.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro All people ARE equal. You judge people based upon their wealth, and that's sick. YOUR lack of concern about fairness is insane, your bigotry and greed is despicable. Your racist blather about "crackheads" is vomitous, your bullshit about some people "earning" homes is immoral, ALL people earn a home, NO person deserves to be homeless.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro This so-called "documentary" is a despicable lie. NOBODY chooses to be poor, idiot! The idea that a person, who is desperately poor AGAINST HIS WILL chooses to be free instead of stuck in a shelter does NOT mean he chose homeless
You bet your ASS it's far more moral to help these people than to allow the wealthy to keep stealing from the rest of us. These people aren't lowlife scumbags, they're victims. YOU are the lowlife scumbag, you and those allowing this to happen.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
target rich environment
sirhcskoorb 1 year ago 2
@DonnyDeutschisBigBro You didn't "explain" anything with your hateful, racist attacks on "crackheads," or the pathetic lie that your selfishness and rich getting richer is "moral".
YOU BET YOUR ASS ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL!!!! It's not "insane", it's the most basic principle upon which this nation was founded.
Decency is "disturbing" because it makes you no money. You don't care about people, just profit.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 People were 'created' equal. What they DO with there life makes them NOT EQUAL. You can DO something with your life or you can smoke dope all day. I am not equal to Micheal Jordan, Pele, or Brett Favre.
The line you are looking for is "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 More sick bullshit. People do NOT "do" homelessness and poverty. It's done TO them. You're STILL blaming the victim.
You bet your ASS you are equal to Pele or Michael Jordan. They aren't better people than you are, God doesn't love them more, they don't deserve to be BILLIONAIRES while people starve to death. Nobody does.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 How is homelessness DONE TO PEOPLE?
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 Through a system which allows it to happen instead of meeting this human right for all people.
A great number of the homeless are mentally ill, and instead of providing help for them, we ignore them, treat them as if they weren't human at all. We see throughout this nausiating conversation the completely preventable problems of poverty and homelessness being treated as character flaws. And those who aren't ill become homeless because of lack of opportunity. NOBODY wants to be poor
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
You dont believe in liberty, just greed. theres no freedom for the victims of this sick system, and until all are free nobody is. socialism has nothing to do with atrosities, and isnt theft. And while Cuba's a lovely place I intend to visit next year I am nothing but an American.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
If Nazis using the word "Socialist" in their name makes themSocialist, than North Korea is Democratic, since they use the word in their name, the Democratic Republic of Korea.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
Socialism is Communism is Marxism which is Fascism. 'The people' are governed/directed by what the dictators state-somebody has to be the leader - right?
Well, in the history of Socialism we have Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Chavez (just had his military attack an Ohio owned glass factory in Venezuela) Castro and several others.
In each case, the leader killed millions - Mao killed 60 MILLION people or more (read). THAT is what happens in the end to ALL Socialist's - they kill us.
FreeAgain2 1 year ago 6
@FreeAgain2 Lie. Socialism and fascism are polar opposites. There is no "Dictator" your fear of the people turns them into "the state". It's insane that you throw great leaders like Chavez and Che in with bastards like Pol Pot. Are all capitalists Pinochet?
The sick lie that ALL Socialists "kill" is bullshit. On the other hand capitalism DOES kill. Poverty kills thousands of people every day. Socialism never killed anybody.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
Yes, Marx and Ingles might have been smoking something other than tobacco, not too sure about Marx and Engels though...
Professicchio 1 year ago
@Ofor012 We on the internet have a name for people like you....TROLL!!
whisperatnight 1 year ago
I'm ex-soviet and I'm truly outraged when I see all these socialist lunatics trying get power in America and the rest of the free world.
I hope they attempt some kind of their typical violent mob "revolutionary" crap and get their stupid marxist asses kicked hard, Pinochet style. Fucking commie scum.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 3
@VonStierlitz There's nothing remotely "lunatic" about economic justice and equality. There's nothing violent about it.
And if you think socialists are "Scum" but pinochet was a hero, you define the word scum. Pinochet was the worst criminal mass murdering bastard ever to come along, supported by the US who looked aside his destruction and killing and said screw democracy because it made wall street happy.
He, and supporters of his Nazi trash like yourself, are the scum.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Fuck your "economic justice and equality". I've had enough of this marxist shit in the USSR. If you like commies so much, get the fuck out to North Korea or Cuba.
As for being a "nazi", there's a surprize for you - I'm Israeli !
And yeah, I hate the fucking marxists, islamists, fascists a scum-supporting leftist morons.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 2
@VonStierlitz Wow, you truly are the lowest of the low, you ADMIT you are against justice and equality. no, I will NOT go to North Korea or Cuba, I will fight to make THIS nation better and more just and equal. You want to continue your nazi hate and greed and destroy the people of THIS nation. You being Isreali doesn't change the fact that your hate and bigotry towards Muslims is EXACTLY like the hate and bigotry of the Nazis. Will we EVER learn?
YOU are the scum, YOU are the fascist.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Yeah, I know how "just" and "equal" you socialist bastards are. Both kinds responsible for many members my own family killed during the WWII by german hitlerite socialists and in the Gulag camps by soviet stalinist socialists. The envious collectivist "progressive" bastards are a biggest threat to the free society. Worse than the islamist religious fanatics could ever be. Fuck you, your prison "equality" and your criminal "justice".
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 2
@VonStierlitz Liar. Socialists didn't kill ANYBODY in WWII, socialists were, like Jews and homosexuals and other groups VICTIMS targetted by the Nazis. Calling the Nazis "Socialists" is a bald-faced lie, a perversion of language. HITLER WAS NOT A SOCIALIST!
Progressives don't threaten a free society, greed and poverty do. That you ALSO throw in racist attacks on Muslims is no surprise. Calling equality and justice "criminal" shows how truly without conscience you are.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
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@PrisonerNumber9653
Bullshit. NSDAP (the nazi party) = Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei. (National Socialist German Workers Party.)
Joseph Goebbels: "Der Idee der NSDAP entsprechend sind wir die deutsche Linke! Nichts ist uns verhaßter als als der rechtsstehende Bürgerblock." 06.12.1931
Goebbels said already in 1931: "According to the idea of the NSDAP, we are the german Left! Nothing is more abhorrent to us than the right-wing burgeoisie."
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 2
@VonStierlitz More hysterical lies. The term they use here has NOTHING to do with real socialism. The Nazis WERE NOT Socialists. They did NOT have socialism in Germany under the Third Reich. Ever. The Marxists and socialists fought AGAINST the Nazis, and still do.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
And WHAT exactly is a "real socialism" ???
The soviet type wasn't real enough for ya ? Obviously it was an evil regime, equal to the one in Hitler's Germany. Maybe you prefer a Maoist commies instead ? These evil maoist cunts exterminated 60 millions of their own people. Not "equal an just" enough for ya ? How about all these "socialist" Baathist murderers in the Middle East then ? Or the Marxist criminal regimes in Africa ?
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Real socialism is an economic theory of equality, it was NOT followed, at all, by Nazi Germany. The Soviets were NOT real socialism at all by the later years, corrupted by fascism and fraud. Mao again is no more about socialism than Pinochet was about capitalism. Do you support Pinochet?
You cannot refute or criticize the actual PRACTICE, you can only make up the sick lie that the Nazis followed it, and come up with two or three who desecrated it.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Socialism doesn' work in practice BECAUSE it is fundamentally wrong even in theory ! Are you retarded or something ?
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz No, I'm not. It DOES work in practice, there is NOTHING wrong with the theory that the resources God gave mankind should be shared, not stolen and hoarded by a few.
Retarded? Wow, you truly are without conscience, or the slightest intelligence. Nobody uses that horrible word any more. Do you have ANY morals? AT ALL?
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
No, socialism doesn't work in practice. Never did and never will.
Give me examples where it was successfully implemented. You can't !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 2
@VonStierlitz I have, repeatedly. Venezuala, among other Latin American counties. Allende was VERY successful in Chile before being murdered by the US government. Scandanavian countries are among the world's strongest economies. It can and does work.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Really ? I guess, that's why society is so fucled up in all these countries, except in Chile where the idiocy was succesfully defeated.
No freedom of speech in Scandinavia or Venezuela, everything is controlled by corrupt government "councils" beaureacracy. Have you ever been in Sweden ? Ask the swedes what they think about their government !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz SUCCESSFULLY DEFEATED??? YOU SCUMBAG THE CIA MURDERED THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT AND PUT A DESPICABLE NAZI IN HIS PLACE!!! You call that "successful"??
It's a LIE to claim there's no free speech in Scandanavia or Venezueala.
And I know plenty of Swedes who love their nation and the fact that they have economic justice. Anyone who doesn't is free to leave, where are the lines of people who want to leave and aren't being allowed?
In your imagination, nowhere else.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Democratically elected ? Heck, even Hitler was "democratically elected".
Say what you will about the brutality of Pinochet, but then ask the chileans whether they would really prefer to live under a marxist regime in a typical Latin American leftist shithole. They would laugh at you.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Comparing Allende to Hitler just shows you've not the slightest bit of interest in reality.
And the people in South America CONSISTANTLY show they prefer economic justice to the brutal right wing dictatorships the US has supported. That's in SPITE of the fact that we keep going in and murdering anyone who promotes these ideals.
And the racism of "typical Latin American leftist shitholes" is just garbage. Just plain garbage. WE are responsible for poverty in South America.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
What is a "right wing dictatorship" ? lol
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Oh, my God.
You just proved my point, you're absolutely out of your mind.
That question proves it. You think dictatorships cannot be right wing?
Wow. Just, wow. You're so brainwashed, it's stunning.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
You just happen to diagnose your own mental problems.
Keep hating the eeeeeevil "right wing" pro-capitalist and libertarian modern westerners and continue advocating redistributionist marxism.
What a fucking lunatic ! lol
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
"Violent crime in Venezuela is pervasive, both in the capital, Caracas, and in the interior. The country’s overall per capita murder rate is cited as one of the top five in the world. The Venezuelan National Counter Kidnapping Commission was created in 2006, and since then, official statistics have shown alarming increases in reported kidnappings throughout the country. In fact, kidnappings in 2009 have increased anywhere from 40-60 percent from the previous year. "
FreeAgain2 1 year ago 2
@FreeAgain2 This "information" taken NOT from people actually there, but from the US government, which is DESPERATE to slander the democratically elected government of Chavez and MAKE UP how terrible things are in Venezuela, in order to justify the illegal and immoral actions of our "Colombia plan" and indirect attempts at a coup or assassination of Chavez.
And much of the violence which DOES exist (and it is VASTLY overstated here) is caused by the OPPOSITION. Chavez didn't cause it.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
As for the muzzie fanatics, if you like these "infidel"-hating irrational medieval religious throwbacks, it is yet another sign of how idiotic your worldview is.
Socialist and jihad sympathizer. Typical, really.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Wow, so if one doesn't share your sick, irrational bigotry towards Muslims, they're a "jihad sympathizer." yeah, that's typical KKK thinking, all right. Muslims aren't midieval, aren't "throwbacks" (unlike yourself) and don't hate "infidels." That many in the Middle East DO hate America may have something to do with the number of their people we've murdered for no good reason at all.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Well, you may have your illusions, but I have a misfortune to live in the Middle East and have to deal with these mohammedan morons. I have experience. You don't.
Just as you don't have any idea about socialism, marxism and communism.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz And they have to deal with racist scum like you. To attack anyone based upon their religion, especially with the despicable LIES you barf forth about Islam, is as low as it gets. The hypocrisy of you babbling about nazis, then behaving EXACTLY like them, is truly remarkable.
And fuck your "experience", there is NOTHING that makes bigotry OK, you're EXACTLY like the scum in the south saying "I have reason to hate blacks, I have to live around them".
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PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
What "race" is mohammedanism again ? It's a religious ideology and obviously an evil one. Will you ever learn or are you really "mentally challenged", i.e. retarded ?
Heh !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 2
@VonStierlitz No, your hate and bigotry is evil, there is nothing remotely "evil" about Islam. No, I am not "mentally challenged," nor am I a Nazi scum like yourself.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Yeah, right. When you can't provide any argument to support your leftist marxist lunacy, just label the opponent as "hatemonger", "racist", "bigot", "fascist" or any other fashionable codeword for "enemy of the revolution".
Fuck off, you dumbass commie.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Lie. The TRUTH of calling a lie a lie isn't "labeling", there's no "lunacy" in economic justice and equality, and I don't do "codewords."
Nor do the codewords of the fascist radical right scare me off. I don't give a damn if a bunch of airheaded John Birchers call me "commie", I don't believe the propoganda we've been forcefed that they're the "enemy".
And there's NOTHING but racism and bigotry where I've pointed it out. Are you claiming racism is OK?
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
"Racism" ? Are you hallucinating again ?
And do you really think that commies are "the good guys" ?
Heh ! You really are a retard.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Yes, they are the good guys and yes, it is vicious and blatant racism, I've pointed it out repeatedly.
Salvador Allende was the good guy, Pinochet was the bad guy. We've supported the bad guys over and over and over again in Latin America, guys who screwed their own people over and over, guys who murdered their own people by the thousands, all because it was what was good for US companies and wall street. What we've done in Nicaraugua alone is vomitous evil.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Yeah, right, and what atrocities all these "good" marxists commit, you prefer to ignore ? How convenient ! Heh !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Liar, I haven't, UNLIKE YOU, ignored anything. You blow off the atrocities of the United States, I haven't ignored jack shit. Socialism has nothing to do with atrocities, and NOBODY is calling for Pol Pot or Stalin in the US. Nobody. You don't hear ANY socialists defending those scumbags, while you see lowlifes like you defending Pinochet and the murder of Allende, every day.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Socialism has everything to do with atrocities. It's philosophical foundation logically leads to redistributionist collectivist robbery, terror-state oppression, party oligarchy despotism and persecution of independently thinking freedom-oriented intellectuals. We've been through all this shit before. Since 19th century how many more millions of lives have to be sacrificed on the altar of your idiotic bankrupt political theory ???
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Economic Justice is a crime.
- It is stealing from someone who EARNED something and GIVING it to someone else did not EARN it.
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Stealing is stealing is stealing. If you steal form the innocent you are a thief. There is no justification for stealing and giving something to someone else (even if the give you vote in return).
In addition - there are consequences to simply handing over wealth - a loss of drive to learn/earn/and create value in your own life!
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 Wow, that's a twisted mindset if ever there was. Justice is a crime?
There is no such thing as a person who doesn't "earn" human rights, and education, housing, food, health care...these are human rights. EVER person deserves them.
There is nothing REMOTELY like "stealing" in this. The idea that there's no "justification" for economic justice is insane. There is no justification NOT to.
And the sick lie that there's no "drive" in the poor was never true.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
What is "justice" in your opinion ?
I don't get, what the fuck do you marxist motherfuckers always whining about ?
And in USA ! It's THE country of liberty, individualism and you marxist idiots want yet another redistributionist "equality" gulag ? Stupid fucking traitors, you don't value what you have !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Justice? Justice is NOBODY goes without enough to eat, NOBODY goes without a home, NOBODY goes without decent health care. I know a lot of young people who are very bright, very driven, and will NEVER see a college classroom because they cannot afford it. That's not justice.
Comparing "Gulags" with equality shows you've no interest in reality, just in McCarthyite propoganda and lies.
Traitor my ass, I'm a proud American, jackass. Your greed has NOTHING to do with freedom.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Why don't you fuck off ? Why I had to WORK in order to get education, pay for my home and food and think it's only fair and just, but you think it has to be "free" ? Who will pay for it then ? Someone else ?
Yeah, I thought so. "Patriot" ? Patriot my ass, you idiot. You belong in Cuba, not the USA. Heh !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Human Rights are not given by a Government. Whatever the Government gives you- it can take away. Those are not "rights" - they are bribes/lies for votes.
Living on welfare - is not freedom, nor justice. Living on welfare is addiction. Learn your skill/trade. Be proud of YOUR WORK. Earn YOUR living.
YOU are not Owed anything.
To think that way - will always leave you BEGGING for someone else to give you something. Freedom means you can earn YOUR own way.
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 Not given by, just confirmed and defended by. Calling economic justice "bribes" is the most idiotic of a long, long list of lies from the far right.
"Living on welfare" beats the daylights out of starving, and IS far more just than starving. Calling it "addiction" is bullshit, a selfish myth the right promotes. Saying the poor have no pride is just another hateful selfish lie so the rich can get richer.
EVERY Person is owed some things, housing, health care, food, HUMAN RIGHTS
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Is Cable TV a "Human right" ? Is owning a Car a Human Right?
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 No, and comparing health care and food to cable TV shows how seriously you're taking this.
I truly hope you find yourself in the condition of abject poverty, just crushing hopelessness some day, just to understand for one day what an absolute asshole you're being.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2
The marxist scumbags are always whining about the alleged "capitalist greed", yet think it's completely fine to be envious bastards demanding that someone provides them with goodies they say they "neeeeed".
Worthless collectivist thieves.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz The greed of capitalism isn't "alleged," it's the most basic premise of the whole deal. What succeeds? Not what's best, not what helps people or furthers mankind, but what makes a buck. It has NOTHING to do this bullshit of "envy", I have NO desire to be a rich scumbag. None. I don't envy them at all.
And shove "Neeed" up your ass. We're talking about health care. We're talking about housing and food, these ARE needs.
YOU are the thief.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Why the fuck do you think that an individual has to live his life to "help mankind" or "society" or someone else's "need" ?
How about some liberty for the free individual, you collectivist dumbfuck ?
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
And no, you envious collectivist statist redistributionists DON"T have a "right" to demand that others provide you with free education, housing, health care or food. Just as it is not your "human right" to steal someone else's money.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz First off, I'm not demaning that I be provided with anything. You're so used to being selfish that you think EVERYONE just looks out for number one. Secondly, YES, we damn well DO have a right to demand that people be provided with education, housing, health care and food. THESE ARE HUMAN RIGHTS, and our nation as a whole benefits greatly when every person has them. It's the smart thing to do, the just thing to do, the humane thing to do.
And it's NOT stealing.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
No, it's not a "human right" to demand the state providing you with products of someone else's labour. It IS stealing in the institutionalized statist form, like in the former communist countries. Redistributive "justice" is THEFT.
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz More sick lies. Yes, housing IS a human right. Health care IS a human right. And spare me the BS about "labour", the poor work FAR harder in this nation than the wealthy do. How many ads for "money management" do you hear? "Make your money work for you!" It's not about WORK, it's about the rich exploit the system to get richer.
And if you call taxes "stealing" you are denouncing your citizenship in the US. Paying to run your own nation isn't stealing. Justice is NOT theft.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
How is it your "right" to have products of someone else's labour ? HOW ???
And yes, your socialist type of taxation is an institutionalized stealing. Exactly !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz They are HUMAN RIGHTS. How is that you have NO problem with bosses becoming obscenely wealthy off SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR but when we talk about human rights for the poor, it becomes "stealing"?
And no, it remains absolute bullshit to call taxes "Stealing", unless you are declaring yourself no longer an American citizen, you are free to leave and THEN not pay taxes to your nation.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Yes, I have no problem when people get rich. Why YOU do ? Envy ?
If you are poor, it is not a good enough reason to become an envious scum and demand wealth redistribution. You want something that belongs to someone else !
This is WRONG !
VonStierlitz 1 year ago 2
@VonStierlitz Bullshit "envy", it's called human decency, something that's obviously a distant stranger to you.
Being poor IS reason enough to demand wealth distribution, it is reason enough to rise up and DESTROY this evil, corrupt system. I'm not poor, though...just decent enough and moral enough to see that capitalism is theft, is immoral, is destructive, is wrong.
The resources God gave mankind belong to ALL people.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
Poor not poor!
Half (46%) own their own homes. On average a poor person in this country lives in a home with 1,228 square feet (114.1 m2) which they often own, and as noted the home is likely air conditioned, with a refrigerator, cable or satellite TV, a microwave not to mention many other comforts.[48] Cox and Alm[49] conclude that if the American poor formed a country of their own, they would be as well-off or even slightly better-off than the typical family in most European countries.
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 God, you truly have no conscience whatsoever. What a despicable pack of lies. You want to pretend there's no poverty in America? HORSESHIT! This sick pack of lies from Cox and Alm has been COMPLETELY debunked, it is FALSE.
I would challenge you to spend one week in the shoes of people in real poverty in this nation, instead of pretending it doesn't exist, or pretending the poor have it GREAT. Like those liars Cox and Alm, you have no CLUE what it's really about. No clue at all.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Please note I did not say there "were no poor people". There are! America has had an annual poverty rate of about 11% for about a Century or more.
The question is why has trillion$ of Gov benefits and an endless line of failed Government Programs, from the 1960's onward, not lowered THAT number?
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 It has lowered the number, and reduced the suffering of those in poverty, why hasn't it more" BECAUSE THEY"RE DREADFULLY UNDERFUNDED! THAT'S WHY! Why haven't our schools done a better job? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FREAKIN' MONEY! You continue to gut the funding for these programs then pretend "they don't work" as sick justification for cutting them MORE. The idea that feeding poor people "doesn't work" is just another pathetic lie.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@VonStierlitz Incredible...hit this guy's page, and see that not only is this hypocrite who calls others "scum" while supporting the worst scum the world's seen this century Pinochet, he's also got a page FULL of KKK bigotry and hate.
you win the hypocrite of the year award. You calling anyone "Scum" is incredible. Your support of murderous rightwing dictators and bigotry and hate makes you the king of scum.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
Maybe you don't know what Communists are all about - or what they do - OK that is understandable. Instead of reading about dreams and philosophies - see their actual history and deeds . . .
Here is a documentary intro, called the 'Soviet Story' - watch?v=5uwggPP17IE
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 In other words, don't look at what they really believe, just listen to the propoganda and lies of those who fear socialism because it might cut into their obscene profits and hoarding of wealth. those who put their own luxuries ahead of human life will ALWAYS make up trash like this. NONE of this crap is "actual history and deeds" of socialism or marxism, they are the actions of people who desecrated and shamed it. And NONE was as bad as Pinochet.
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 nothing to do with 'propoganda' - I am taking about simply 'body-counts'.
Socialists - in the end - always start killing people. Once somebody else's money runs out - and they can't pay for you and the freebies you crave (free education, free housing, free food, free jobs, free healthcare, free cheese, etc. etc. etc) people just start dying.
What is wrong with success?
Why do you soooo hate successful people?
FreeAgain2 1 year ago
@FreeAgain2 Liar. Those "body counts" have NOTHING to do with socialism. Nothing. Education, housing, health care, food, these are HUMAN RIGHTS, treating them like things only some people "deserve" is the sickest lie of all. People ARE dying.
To view the hoarding of massive wealth while people starve as "success" is a sick myth. i don't hate "successful" people. Good parents are successful people, those who make a better community are successful. You think only being rich is "success".
PrisonerNumber9653 1 year ago
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Bloomberg..."Hugo Chavez's efforts to transform his country into a Cuban-style socialist state are sputtering. With its vast oil wealth, Venezuela shouldn't suffer from shortages, yet inefficient farms, government takeovers of supermarkets, and a 50% currency devaluation in January have thrown the food supply into disarray."
Quick! Someone run and tell Barrak Obama Socialism doesn't work. LOL
Sundogjeep 1 year ago
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Bloomberg..."Hugo Chavez's efforts to transform his country into a Cuban-style socialist state are sputtering. With its vast oil wealth, Venezuela shouldn't suffer from shortages, yet inefficient farms, government takeovers of supermarkets, and a 50% currency devaluation in January have thrown the food supply into disarray."
Quick! Someone run and tell Barrak Obama Socialism doesn't work. LOL
Sundogjeep 1 year ago
@Ofor012 lol your funny. Republicans one the last civil war. What makes you think another one will turn out any better for you lefties.
devdoger62 1 year ago
I am so happy. Just a few years ago it seemed as though our country was doomed. Obama saved us don't you see. If it weren't for him the country may never have realized the true nature of the left wing. Thank you Obama the Tea Party couldn't have done it with out you.
devdoger62 1 year ago
Here's their new chant: "Obama's educated & employed, we're not, we're not."
And they won't be. Bunch a lazy deadbeat union pimps & their naive street whores. And, YES, Obama is a socialist. Almost forgot, on behalf of our Pres, assalam alaikum, too.
BurnOutXL 1 year ago
@Ofor012 Your flies down.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 Come on, dance, dance little angry frustrated leftard moonbat phony. Dance like the witless UNREAD humourless creep devoid of self reflection that U R. U R as they say, an ineffective mass produced Marxist circus geek. Gobble that raw chicken, boy. I said dance the angry hate spewing dance of the despicable useless leftard. Squawk socialist twerp, tap away U ineffective unwanted parasite. Gibber incoherent junk U laughable commie swine. Ya wll won't U.Like Pavlovs collectivist dog.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@gmakepiece This is a wonderful satiric poem. Yet closer to the truth than satire could ever be.
plum26754 1 year ago
@Ofor012 You can't have a wife or children, surely? If so, show der frauline your brave anonymous foul mouthed criminal brilliance. She'll be very er, impressed. And the kids'll love it. "Daddy, what did you do in the imaginary war of your fantasy disturbed Id, you know the one to murder all men, women & children who disagree with you?" "Well kids, whenever I couldn't steal to buy drugs or was not gang raping or masturbating, I ironically mostly sat at my computer, still wanking away.."
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 Dear "fucking retard" and "dipshit", oops, in CAPS! "DIPSHIT", Er, you just threatened to kill me and other conservatives on YouTube. What "civil war?" What er, "rights to kill?" A civil war by default lacks such convention, thus the "civil WAR" name. It's between opposing citizens of the same country. You are absolutely hideous. You can't have a wife or children, surely? If so, show here your brave anonymous foul mothed criminal brilliance. She'll be very er, impressed.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 I quote YOU as much as I can stomach & almost enough 2 B charged, little moonbat. YOU drivelled the following. "We hate you with a passion and are counting the days down until you are eliminated form this country ONCE AND FOR ALL. You and your kind are the SHIT STAINS of America and need to be FLUSHED and REMOVED with all due haste . We'll put you 10 feet under again and we'll look forward to it." Etc etc etc ad nauseum. YOU have nothing to offer but your cowardice mediocrity & fraud.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 Balls. My my angry little humourless fascist lefty ain't cha fluffy. I bet ya PARENTS R SO proud of U, their own maladjusted malignant narcisisist son, a violent Marxist radical spineless creep criminal. I bet ya work mates love the way U threaten 2 kill conservatives like gee, more than half of them statistically. Oh, U don't speak like the sub pervert wanna be killer U R in public. Got it. Over 20 percent of people identify as liberal, over 40% as conservative, 35% moderate. Geek.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
It may interest some of you lefties to know that the top 10% of earners in the USA pay 70% of the taxes. They also give the most by far to charities and aare the root cause of most job growth....yet you speak of them as if theyre evil people. Ive known some very wealthy people and they were like everyone else...some good and some bad and some in the middle. I knew a man for years that was one of the richest mean in the country but never knew it until he died....next
NakedLadyMudFlap 1 year ago 2
@NakedLadyMudFlap He drove an old pick up and wore work clothes....when he died he left 10s of thousands of acres for a state park...pristine forrest...You can go there and camp and fish courtesy of a billionaire. He left more money to education....scholarships...and God knows what else. A man that worked for him told me he owned a piece of land as big as a Fla county...and he looked like a farm hand...This won't mean anything to you lefties though..it doesn't enforce ur planned theft.
NakedLadyMudFlap 1 year ago 4
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@NakedLadyMudFlap Ah, at last...a sane adult. Three cheers, kid. No, really. Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 Which of the following basics of a reponsible free adult life do you hate and why exactly? Is it because you're a deeply neurotic UNREAD and ignorant leftist failure? Conservatism is merely a set of 4 simple proven principles on which all freedom is based. Respect 4 the Constitution ie freedom of speech, right 2 bare arms, rule of law, private property rights, free flow of ideas & capital. Ltd govt & low taxes. Respect for life & Personal responsibility. That's it.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 You're a cognitive dissonant radical fascist pervert leftist creep making highly illegal criminal threats on YouTube, for which you could be charged and serve serious jail time. No, really. Colonel Robert Neville.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 Conservatism is merely a set of 4 simple proven principles on which all freedom is based. Respect 4 the Constitution ie freedom of speech, right 2 bare arms, rule of law, private property rights, free flow of ideas & capital. Ltd govt & low taxes. Respect for life & Personal responsibility. That's it. What oppresses the free individuals right 2 choose under the law leads 2 tyranny. 4 example totalitarian Marxism communism fascism Islamofascism socialism & Nazism etc, like YOURS.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 You are no American. I could not trust you around a dog never mind children. You are a transplanated criminal weed. A cuckoo. With your repulsive disturbing laughable criminal attitude, it's just a matter of time until you attract the kind of criminal end you fantasise about for others. Are you a La Raza racist bigot rapist etc geek thing? Come on, let us know, you ineffective parasite. zombietime com thepeoplescube com PJTV com lookingaththeleft com michellemalkin com breitbart com
gmakepiece 1 year ago
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@Ofor012 So you're the misfit and grossly maladjusted malignant narcissist son of immigrants & a wanna be criminal. Got it. SO you "hate America" but U don't go back to your parents land & U R happy to parasite off America. U R obviously hugely popular with mature professional UNI educated men & women. Children look up to U as a role model. Er, NO. U R a creepy sub class cowardly turd. A rapist too. Child or gang rapist? Liquor store hold ups your thing. Ya take drugs right & addicted 2 porn.
gmakepiece 1 year ago
@Ofor012 So you're the misfit and grossly maladjusted malignant narcissist son of immigrants & a wanna be criminal. Got it. SO you "hate America" but U don't go back to your parents land & U R happy to parasite off America. U R obviously hugely popular with mature professional UNI educated men & women. Children look up to U as a role model. Er, NO. U R a creepy sub class cowardly turd. A rapist too? Child or gang rapist? Liquor store hold ups your thing? Ya take drugs right? Addicted 2 porn?
gmakepiece 1 year ago
i am soooooo sick of all these videos of these one nation assholes. this would of been the perfect time for someone to drive a suicide bomb up or something of the likes
JD8994 1 year ago
This reminds me of the Socialist marches in Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Socialists and Communists always recruit the dumbest a society has to offer.
independentview1 1 year ago 2
Those people who criticized Obama as a Socialist should stop taking benefits such as Social Security or MediCare. Otherwise, they are Socialists as well. Oh, by the way, minimum wages is also a Socialist policy. Hope Republicans have the guts to abolish them all after they become the majority in Congress. I really want to see if they dare to do so.
fumiohuang 1 year ago