Basic forms of Government

[FirstInstruMentalist]

This video is total bullshit. this guy is a rightwing asshole who cant pull his head out of his ass about the lies and propaganda the US is feeding them

[Redgaer40k]

The political spectrum is built up of many different types. The far left and far right spectrum where communism is on the far left and fascism is on the far right is logical, and it is a type of political spectrum, which proves the maker's ignorance. Secondly, communism has never been about total control, it is an oligarchy, or at the extreme rate - anarchism. The maker could also say that without government, means no land - which the people do not count as population or populace

[XVIIGirl]

last time i checked a democracy mean having individual rights and freedoms, which includes things such as the right to a fair trial (which apparently only happens in a republic according to your knowledge....)

[ojsdaddy]

@XVIIGirl you're confusing democracy with republic, democracy is true rule by the people, republic is rule of law limiting a balanced governement chosen by the people

[HCorell]

To be honest I don't know a single western country at least since 20th century which would have been democratic with a system of democracy as described in the video.

There's no a single western democratic country today which wouldn't have a constitution & separation of powers, wouldn't protect individuals & minorities, wouldn't be more or less individualistc etc. No matter what the system is exactly called. Btw virtually all European countries are either constitutional republics or monarchies.

[shayepaul]

Robert Deniro? Is that you?

[whisket666]

Republic!

Socialism is failure. People work hard, the gov take to 30-40% of your earnings + all the fee's when all is paid you prob only sits left with top 20% total to live for.

These money that the gov earn is used to

1.brag about good budgets

2.Use them the way THEY want ( often to increase their own salary)

3. Not using them the way the people want

4. Giving criminals more rights.

5. Fucking up an Community.

Socialism is the failure Philosophy...

[BannyBunch]

wow

[ImOneBadMuthaFucka]

ANARCHY! NOTHING IS STABLE, EVERYTHING IS TEMPORARY. WELCOME TO REALITY! BITCH

[iWindBlade]

If there would be a law in the constitution to stop anybody in any shape or form to edit the constitution, then it would be the perfect balance.

[tlocksl84]

This is exactly what the Occupy Wall Street is about! Well said

[Laughingblades]

Capitalism = When a Bureaucrat Owns your Ass because you work for him, he owns the place, give your grain to the king bitch, give it to the mother fucking king and take your bag of oats you serf, it's called wage labor peasant.

Socialism = When the workers own the work place. However they do it, they own it, they go to work for themselves, either as part of a society or as part of a company. FU King! No want!

Republic = Vote for me and I'll take bribes from billionaires to fuck you in the ass

[Laughingblades]

This video is full of factual inaccuracies that go far beyond the scope of propaganda, and can only be the result of unfathomable ignorance. The author of this video does not even know the meaning of words like Socialism and Capitalism, fails to understand systems of government beyond very basic and generally incomplete or inaccurate concepts, and gets his history wrong on several occasions.

If you are watching this video for educational purposes, shame on you.

[awholbro]

@Laughingblades It helps to specifically address your points. Otherwise, no one curious will be persuaded by your argument, none of your critics will be proven wrong, and only those that already agree with you will continue to agree. In the end, your comment is a waste of time. Congratulations. Most educational institutions will teach you the basics of a persuasive rhetoric.

[Laughingblades]

@awholbro Every form of government in this video is inaccurately represented, for instance, oligarchy and republics are not mutually exclusive forms of government, the most common form of republic throughout history has arguably been oligarchical republic, and democracies can have rule of law, and in theory the US is a democratic republic, and theocracy is not necessary oligarchy, nor is monarchy necessarily tyranny, nor is monarchy necessarily oligarchy, ect ect this vid is bull shit

[madjimms]

The problem with democracy is EVERYONE gets to vote. That is NOT correct.

[ComradeZX]

the way Democracy is explained in this video is totally false (so is every other political system described here) but Democracy is the most inaccurate. What Democracy is described as in this video is, Utilitarianism. Utilitarianism does not always have to mirror Democracy.

[superguy911]

Just finished watching this video and I pray to god that every misguided soul who watches this realizes he's watching stupid republican propaganda, which ironically utilizes the same strategy as Hitler and Stalin, by brainwashing it's people

[superguy911]

Putting socialism along with nazism and fascism? Seriously? Is this liberal anti-socialist propaganda?

Ask anyone in canada if their freedom is being oppressed, they'll all say no, because it isn't.

The only difference is that their tax money is being used to actually help other people in their country, and not to go and destroy other countries.

[madjimms]

@superguy911 You realize that liberal goes with socialist right? "liberal anti-socialist propoganda" is like saying "republican anti-corporate" its like a double negative.

[Laughingblades]

@madjimms Not really. I'm a statist leaning socialist with conservative leanings, my comrade is a free market socialist with liberal leanings.

Explanation. I favor a centralized economy where workers own the work place but pay taxes based on income to support entitlement programs so that there are no homeless and the elderly and disabled are insured.

My Comrade is anti-statist and believes that workers should own their own cooperative companies and compete in a Laissez-faire market, he's naive

[SgtdawnFTW9000]

SOCIALISM

[hottamale02]

This has always been one of my favorite videos and I think it is very important when understanding what is actually going on in the Muslim world today. The people are calling for a revived Caliphate, as black Libyans are being slaughtered as well as Christian Copts over in Egypt under this new yearning for democracy. It isn't a celebration... but the worse getting worse... Lord help us all.

[gregsmithjazz]

REPUBLIC FTW :)

[joskes123]

USA has more government power then you think, they just don't care about the poor. Except too use them to work their asses off their whole life. And what the fuck with the gunman. In a democracy there is also a LAW. This guy hates democracy, why because he doesn't know what it is. In a democrazy there is a need for a good constitution. But the people choose spokesmen, like the republic. And in belgium there is a need for 8 years to change something in the constitution. Republic is same as democr

[joskes123]

@joskes123 Democracy is way better than a republic. But it need a good constitution. Look at Belgium and The USA. Which country gives more about their people? In a republic a very narrow range of people chose laws for whole the country, without saying this to their people and without permission from the majority of the people. As in the end of this clip, the USA is becoming an oligarchy in which the elite has everything. Democracy from the past are not the same of the present.

[1tobedoneX]

The fuck? I am confused what is Canada? Is it following the US, (Republic) or is it being a Democracy?

[plzwork100]

@1tobedoneX Socialism

[fisheebee]

This video is bullshit, because instead of solely informing viewers on the different forms of government, the creator is also propagating their opinions of these systems. This decreases the credibility of the information because it is no longer being presented from an objective standpoint.

[Magicwillnz]

This is overall a good video, but I completely disagree about democracy. Republics historically have been incredibly violent (the Republic of Rome, the First French Republic). Greek city states were overwhelmingly oligarcies, not democracies, Athens was one of the few stable democracies. But what a democracy it was! It built an empire essentially surrounded by enemies that hated and feared democracy. Democracy actually might very well be the strongest system, if done right.

[deltaxcd]

@Magicwillnz

and how are you supposed to make democracy right?

how democracy can be stable if mob is allowed to enslave or rob single people?

obviously such society will outlaw most of its members until it gets reduced to oligarchy.

republic will do exactly same just instead of specific people specific interests will take control.

[Magicwillnz]

@deltaxcd When has less democracy ever resulted in more freedom? When was the last time a true democracy reduced enfranchisement? The trend through history has been an expansion, not a shrinking, of democratic rights. According to you, we should still only have voting only by propertied white men.

If you fearmonger about your own right to vote, you'll be deprived of the only thing that puts you on equal footing with billionaires and millionaires. Good luck being heard, then.

[deltaxcd]

@Magicwillnz

If you are in the majority then you have absolute freedom to do anything you like to minorities.

voting has nothing to do with freedom, because if majority votes to take my house I my vote has no effect here, just majority is free while minority is not.

Freedom is not expanding but shrinking, only illusion of freedom is betting bigger. Today we do not even own our bodies and lost all rights to self defense and privacy.

[Magicwillnz]

@deltaxcd Freedom is shrinking because we are getting less democratic and less transparent, not more so. This is because enfranchisement is shrinking, not because of democracy, but because of the edicts issued by our elected "representatives".

Sure, democracy could take your house, but what stops any system from taking anything? At least in a democracy you can persuade people, you have some recourse. In a non-democratic society there is no recourse.

[deltaxcd]

@Magicwillnz

First it is unwise to take everything from someone or you will deplete resource. it is far more profitable to exploit resource gradually and letting it regenerate.

Nondemocratic system is exactly same dictator also wont take your house if he can tax you and take few times more in long term, in fact he may even provide you a house, but he will nor micromanage you.

If you are not in the majority you are screwed in all cases.

[Magicwillnz]

@deltaxcd Did I say we should take all resources immediately? Of course not. Of course, capitalism uses up resources so fast I'm not really sure what your argument is, or why you decided to bring it up.

I don't really get your second argument either. If non-democratic systems are exactly the same as democratic systems, why waste your time arguing against something that has exactly the same outcome?

[deltaxcd]

@Magicwillnz

I meant to say that system sees people as resource, if it has ability to control them.

In case of democracy majority is capable to control minority, it will use that minority as resource, in I way to get most profit

Under any kind of government you will be taxed exactly as much as you can pay and rulers will gets as much as they can.

Unlike you say, democracy is as bad, as any other form of government if you do not belong to ruling class.

[deltaxcd]

@deltaxcd

cont..

republic is supposed to be something like anarchy where no rulers exists so exploitation is impossible.

everything is governed by nondiscriminatory laws and nobody has right to change them. without unanimous approval.

Theoretically anyone can be acting as police, judge or government in such system however it needs bootstrap to create set of laws that cannot be changed later.

[Chemowski]

Blablabla america fuk ye

[yekdeli]

Jesus...this video is like fucking cancer! they've taken over the world....these Libertarians!

[greenearthnazi20204u]

@yekdeli you are dumb ass sociopath and your sociopath beliefs  the truth is Monetary + paper =money is slavery and wars .

[Hawkflieslow]

We have a wonderful republic and constitution with flaws which corrupt and defile it. These flaws in the constitution is the lack of ability for People the recall Congress, Presidents, Governors for abuse of power. Article II Section 8 defines the 17 powers of Congress. Article II Section 9 contains 7 prohibitions of government powers. The Ninth Amendment states all other Rights belong to the People and the Tenth states all other powers belong to the People or the States.

[midlantica]

Thank you sir. Pls make more!

[greenearthnazi20204u]

NO GOVERNMENTS NO LAWS NO ANARCHY .JUST HUMAN RIGHTS, UP HELD LIKE LAWS.

[cookiesofamerica]

@greenearthnazi20204u yeah that can't work on earth has to be something like I don't know what your religion is but kinda like heaven or some kind of afterlife

[greenearthnazi20204u]

@cookiesofamerica no religion really means non- profit the top preacher no more $50,000 1 car &35,0000 ,$1 house 3000 sf no hate or prejudice.

[cookiesofamerica]

@greenearthnazi20204u um, I was talking about afterlife not really religion I'm christian but I believe that god gives us free will and we shouldn't comprehend what god wants really.

[greenearthnazi20204u]

@cookiesofamerica FIRST THERE IS NO FREEDOM ONLY THE ILLUSION OF IT .ONLY ENLIGHTENED CHOICES ,THAT HAS A BASE AND RULES . IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND UNTIL YOU HAVE ALL CHOICES AND UNDERSTAND THEM FULLY IT IS NOT FREE WILL IT JUST A GUESS AT BEST . THE BASE OF ENLIGHTENED CHOICES IS NECESSITY, LOVE , GOOD HUMOR  AND TRUTH .VS EVERYTHING ELSA YOU MAY WANT TO BRING THIS UP TO GOD AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT BEFORE HAND . ,NOT THE christian THING .

[cookiesofamerica]

@greenearthnazi20204u So you're saying (about choice) is an illusion it self correct? but uh yeah the other points you're right about them.

[GeneralKlaas]

Also, Anarchist Spain was working

[GeneralKlaas]

Communism is not a total government it is stateless...

[cookiesofamerica]

@GeneralKlaas I think the person who made it was talking about russian communism not pure communism

[aFinnsTheory]

Fuck all of those. How about we kill eachother and stop being such a goddamn evil and greedy race. If humans can destroy their own planet in the matter of 4000 years, imagine what will happen to our galaxy if we colonize space?

Our race would be better off extinct.

[BeatboxinDawg]

and the 6th form would be "belgian goverment" so damn confusing xD

[bobbinator37]

the problem is if most people disagree with the unchangeable and ancient rules of the republic, then they can restrain the supporters of it by force and simply ignore the old rules, pushing the society through the cycle into an oligarchy.

[deltaxcd]

@bobbinator37

for that reason rules must be very short and universal what reduces then to very basic human rights.

also it must be made in away that changing or adding just one rule destroys everything so that nobody would ever consider attempt's to change them

[johnthesencond]

It's both.

[MrThericemusic]

This video is very fruedian in the way that it assumes that we are born evil and need controlling

[manrayer88]

Without law there cannot be freedom? Think about that for a second

[OptimumPIctures]

ah, but how were the laws that control the republic decided? by a democratic vote.

[deltaxcd]

@OptimumPIctures

I think that should be unanimous decision.

[SplatsGaming]

Without a government they're would be no protection. No order. Don't say that anarchism is a GOOD thing cause your a 14 yr old rebel.

[deltaxcd]

@SplatsGaming

that's wrong, people who tend to works risky jobs will be naturally eliminated by self defending people.

robber will die after once some victim will shoot him.

Only problem is in case of anarchy people will organize into groups that have power to enslave single people

what will immediately turn it into oligarchy until remaining people unite and fight them.

If there was law to enforce anarchy it would be best society, with absolute freedom and good security

[Harrymfink]

This video is sooo fucked. You can have a democracy and a republic. A republic is a way in which we the people can be heard through elected members because direct democracy is not practiced. Secondly, Communism and Socialism are stateless by definition, so how is there "total control." Anarchy IS NOT lawless, it is the dismantling of the hierarchy, this does not negate order by law. "You choose your oppression." -Noam Chomsky

[awholbro]

@Harrymfink Communism: a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.AWWWW. Look it is for the state

[Harrymfink]

Nope. China is a Communist State, which follows some of the criteria you present. (key word is state, sort of a contradiction in terms) Communism is a classless, moneyless society in which the people own the means of production. Pretty similar to the different breeds of Anarchism (which is capable of law without the state)

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink They are not Communist, they are Social Democrats (which is ironic) - however their politics are communist, their true state is social democracy to socialism - -they just have communist supporters in charge - but somehow are still not communism.

[Harrymfink]

When a country regards Marx/Lenin as its social heroes Communism and Socialism are one in the same. I would support Socialism only as a means of achieving Communism. And you are correct that China is of course not a true Communist state( only a mere label) and I'm sorry if I implied that. The U.S. wouldn't be intimidated if this were the case.

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink So you support no government (one of the major tenets of Communism), which means you have no nation and thus no land, so pretty much your country is merely a nonimportant and at the same time crucial piece of land that is to be seized by many countries? Basically saying, your nation does not exist, so you are unconquerored land.

[Harrymfink]

I meant to put "It" as in the country. However, I would support such a thing if there were a global revolution appearing to take place. But it seems unlikely to occur before Capitalism eats us all alive.

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink So, I totally knew what you meant by it, and it appears you have 0 idea of what I'm saying because the difference is, is that I know communism and its tenets (I have spent 9 months researching it) and you're confused because what you were lead to believe about Communism is that communism is the best thing on earth, despite how the entire holistic idea of Communism is literally nonexistant in the sense that the people will become a territory up for conquer.

[Harrymfink]

9 months aye? You could read a couple of Wikipedia pages and Das Capitol and a few other books by/about Marx and have sufficient knowledge of Communism. I'm sorry it took you so long. In my last response I deliberately put GLOBAL REVOLUTION to indicate the problem of vulnerability. This would be a Troskyist stance I suppose.

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink 9 months aye? Yeah, nine months. You can't just read shit on the internet and think you're smart. You're either horribly guillible, or you're a troll. You clearly don't even know Communism, seeing as how you can never defend it successfully. You put Global Revolution with communism. Even global revolution with communism will fail, seeing as how the concept of ownership will still exist amongst surviving governments, capitalists, and the like. No communist ever had the correct idea.

[Harrymfink]

I'm confused as to how I haven't answered your claim. You asserted that communism could not work because of the vulnerability to other non-communist nations. I answered by stating that this is why a Troskyist movement would be the only way around this issue, assuming an invasion would occur. Who's to say a lone country could not remain afloat as long as other nations respected there sovereignty.

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink Thats not what I said at all. I said that when there is no government, there is no concept of having a nation, you are literally an uncontested territory, because the concept of ownership still exists. Also, no government= no country, your people are NOT APPLICABLE as a PEOPLE. They are an UNCONTESTED TERRITORY. And a trotskyist movement could never happen, because the CONCEPT OF OWNERSHIP is too large. Either youre a huge troll, or you really have no idea what youre talking about.

[Harrymfink]

I'm finding your replies very confusing. Why must a government be in place to have a populous of people living together? And to refer to my second comment "it seems unlikely to occur before Capitalism eats us all alive." I was never implying a Socialist or any other socioeconomic movement would occur in the future. Also, what do you mean by concept of ownership is to large?

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink The concept of ownership is too large in the sense that the U.S, China, Great Britain, Russia, and essentially EVERY country no matter how large or small has the concept of ownership. Private property, public property. A government must be in place to have a NATION (stated for the fourth time) because a NATION cannot exist without GOVERNMENT, if there is no GOVERNMENT, there is no NATION, thus your people do not have the CONCEPT OF OWNERSHIP, and it is UNCONTESTED TERRITORY.

[Harrymfink]

Troskyism is a global revolution, meaning everyone would have to be involved for success. This is the point I've been driving at three comments ago?

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink Toskyism is global revolution involving Communism. You know, the point i've been driving at for four comments now? Oh, and totally thanks for disregarding everything else I've disproved you at. Are you still talking? Youre quite the persistant troll.

[Harrymfink]

I'm going to move on to another person willing to debate in a civil and more articulate manner and submit to you the victory of this one to feed your ego. Although truly I'm leaving with a sense that you should maybe study another nine months..

-Peace comrade

[Redgaer40k]

@Harrymfink Have fun. I hope you realize that you lost the debate horribly, because I debated ALL of your points, and you debated NONE of mine. I was civil until the point where you decided to not acknowledge my points - simple narcissism on your part. You think you know Communism, but you truly don't, which is hilarious. My friends and I are laughing at your stupidity. Perhaps you should study nine months, before you think you know it all.

[azureshorebird]

This is a very well-presented video treatise on governmental forms. It highlights the misconception about what a true democracy is, and why our nation was formed as a republic. Unfortunately, our public school teachers often do not even know these basic facts, and as a result, sadly misinform our nations children. If you don't agree with the definition of a democracy, please refer to any standard Political Science Introduction text written before 1980 for an accurate definition.

[astrapi2008]

I think you are confusing the terms democracy and anarchy!!!

[migasfiesta]

a propaganda??

[mbgm8md3]

we have government taking control of money, we have money taking control of government. and i'm sure every shade of conspiring and coercing imaginable inbetween.

It doesn't matter who has the power, it's the power itself that needs to be checked. Humans are corrupt.

[bombadii]

This misses the point because it only talks about direct democracy where the people vote on laws, but not representative democracy where professionals are elected to make the laws instead. Also, facists are obviously right-wing because, in the historic political specrum made in France in hte 1790s, a right-wing government believes in a class-system and inequality, like facists.

[bombadii]

This misses the point because it only talks about direct democracy where the people vote on laws, but not representative democracy where professionals are elected to make the laws instead.

[StrengthFromAbove83]

GREAT video... TERRIBLE views on 9/11... "watertight" on controlled demolition? according to what experts? 

[SpazTechIndustries]

God Save the Queen.

[childofreletivity]

Anarchism isn't as bad as people think because , it's total freedom not begging others

[StrengthFromAbove83]

@childofreletivity wrong.

[childofreletivity]

@StrengthFromAbove83 Look at the video's of "Anarchism 101" watch them all

[Sovietcomrade262]

Although its correct, it is ridiculously over simplified.

[bxjam85]

Republics have the same tendencies as democracies. Republics only delay the arrival of oligarchy. Oligarchy is the iron law of civilization.

[kainejoyes]

beautifully made video ....full credit

[reggaedirect2010]

CRUCIAL TIMES 2011

[vhsjvc]

I think this video stands alone, regardless of who made it, as it describes truth. Thus, it has nothing to do with the JB society. JB is considered a secret society, on Youtube, and many of these use truth as a front. Just like the charities who go around injecting people with poisons - rosicrutians, rotaries... see william t still's book on the secret societies, search youtube.

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[1Bircher]

This excerpt from "Overview of America" is one of the best videos produced by The John Birch Society.

[Segador128]

Starve the beast.

[animaeadict1]

i am an anarcho-syndicalist, i hate violence and disorder, in fact i am a pacifist. in anarchistic society, there would still be order. communities would have volunteer police force upheld by the citizens. just no capitalism, private property, money, or hierarchical structure. thats anarchy, not nihilism/chaos as you described it

"Oh Judge! Your damn laws! the good people don't need them and the bad people don't follow them!" - Ammon Hennacy

[fullfist]

@animaeadict1 but someone would still need to oversee and govern those "communities" and "volunteers", thus gradually or suddenly the vacuum would be filled by the power hungry (unrestricted by any law.)

What you describe only egzists in a fantasy land where a man isn't a man's wolf.

[crzune]

@animaeadict1 an anarchy can easily turn into a dictatorship

[madderbass]

I prefer the Nolan Chart as a better example then to the diagram presented in the beginning of this video.

[randomheartake]

I was searching for a video that would explain to me the difference between republican and democratic and this video definitely did that and much more. Thanks so much for posting it. :)

[LibertyEd]

If we stick together and form a plan of action, the banks can be controlled?

[aliveTerraN]

and since you are sugesting that you should go against the majority. then its not a supported state. and therefore a failed state. failed states (ecpecially without the support of the people) always seem to have a revoultion. and you know so much about revoultions, you would also know that all of the revoultions was made because the people did not agree with the state. and thats why a majority system is neccesary, for the continued support of an state. please read some more before making videos.

[TheSage555]

If the far-left is authoritarian, then why are anarchists and anarcho-communists considered to be far left. It is a measure of economic policy. The best chart is two dimensional authoritarian vs. libertarian and economic left vs. economic right.

[mauroprovatos]

stupid and ignorant video

[antoconno]

@mauroprovatos

Why??

[votumseparatum1]

@mauroprovatos Why?

[dadirtysoufbowss]

shit video

[antoconno]

@dadirtysoufbowss

Why?

[ExZonie]

Read the essay on the Ruling Class at the American Spectator by Angelo Codevilla. The elites of this country (aided by the idiot liberal collaborators) are forcing us into an oligarchy.

[zenithal007]

The Elite are bringing down the house

[acidrockman]

i hate it when people view the government in terms left and right morality when it's the involvement of government, regardless of the issue.

[lexave]

How is it helpful to replace an inadequate one-dimensional representation of the political spectrum by another inadequate representation of the political spectrum? Or is it that grouping communism with fascism serves your agenda better?

Even the most basic of analyses admit at least two dimensions. (Do a search on "political spectrum".)

This explains why today's 'right'/conservatives are split between social conservatives and libertarians.

[deadlyphantom44]

the point of a democracy is that everyones rights are catered for, without democracy the power resides with fewer people. you say that with a republic the law decides, but who decides what laws you have? the oligarchy! democracy is the only protection from despotism.

[deadlyphantom44]

this seems daft to me, you already have an oligarchy, a tyranny of the elite. so very few own so much of the wealth of america. the elites pay off the senators and congressmen.

[misngfingr]

So the point of this video is what exactly? That we're all socialists, we only vary by degree?

[893160007]

105 bullshit graph not always true the best is a square higer up is more social control so communists top left facists top right libertarians bottom right and i dont know the term for the other but liberals are bottom left but not to the extreme and conservatives are the opposite corner the graph they use seems biased toward right

[mamypokopants]

i think that communism needs to be defined properly. true communism in its purest form is an anarchy and a utopia. therefore it has never occured

[calumtw]

Communism is a socio-economic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.

i.e no government. How can you say communism is a total government.

This is total propaganda and a waste of your time to watch. Please, if you want to find out about communism or leftist ideology read Marx and Ingles etc. visit a leftist forum or something.

[dankeewolnir4042]

so the communist chinese gov is not really a government... Communism "sounds" good... that no one really owns anything. Just like Democracy "sounds" good. How can Communism be a political ideology without having a government. If you want everyone to be part of a communist socio-economic structure someone hast to ENFORCE it. Who do you think would do that? A government. So it sounds good, but cant work...like peeing in the wind. But i agree this is a form of propaganda...like anything else

[calumtw]

NO, if you read my comment correctly you would realise that the current Chinese government is NOT communist. They are State Capitalists now if you look at their actions, they may have some pseudo communistic traits.

Real communism have never really been achieved, most of the countrys which are trying to go down the leftist route are socialist which is more like a road to communism as they still have a government. just to be clear, under a true communist society there would be no government.

[calumtw]

Although I will add that you are entitled to your views on its "enforcement" as you put it. Although i don't really see that governments should be 'enforced', surely everything should be democratic and the majority should want to become communist.

[dankeewolnir4042]

if you read my comment correctly, you would realize, that i understood that the Chinese gov is not communist, and my point, is that real communism CANNOT be achieved without "enforcement" therefore it SHOULD NOT EXIST. I DONT think the gov should be able to enforce such things. Thats why i said, it is a good "idea", but not attainable, because we are human... ie it sounds good, but not good. i said, if you read it again, it sounds good but cant work because its like "peeing in the wind"

[calumtw]

As i said in my comment, communism is not communism if brought about via enforcement, any political ideology which requires enforcement could be classed as dictatorship, its suppose to be revolutionary (IMO, not revisionist) i.e. people would actively want to become communist so there would be no need to 'enforce' it.

[calumtw]

for the record Im not communist, I'm just really interested in politics and thought that this video was misleading and propaganda in nature, which i think we both agree on.

[dankeewolnir4042]

yup, and we also agree that there has never been true communism, because it cant exist, because it would require a dictator, or a big intrusive government, which cancels out the communist ideals, therefore, it is not possible. I COMPLETELY understand what you are saying, and was just pointing out that the ideal situation where everyone "wants" communism cannot occur, and would still need enforcement. That would defeat the purpose, so its kinda like an oxymoron --ie again PEEING IN THE WIND.

[dankeewolnir4042]

yes we do agree, and probably on more things than you though. Just pointing out that Communism is also propagated, and must have a gov because in no way will "everyone" say "hey lets all be communist with out a gov." So then it isnt really communism, because in order to give to someone, you have to take from someone else, so who does the taking... a government. The ideas are propaganda, because they CANNOT exist naturally. But everything is propaganda.

[dankeewolnir4042]

communism IS propaganda, because of the fact that it CANNOT truely exist, it is an idea propagated by the powers that be that WANT communism for their own agenda. It SOUNDS good, and they have propagated it to you. Look up who started the idea... it sounds good to the people so the people go for it, and look at what has happened in history under "so called" communism. It is propaganda in itself, because it is "idealism" basically, and when people go for it they get an intrusive gov instead.

[calumtw]

and thats your opinion. I think that it could exist through the creation of a socialist state and the gradual movement to communism with the dismantling of the socialist government.

[dankeewolnir4042]

cool. what exactly is your definition of a socialist state after the dismantling of the socialist government. and how do you get everyone to "want" a communist state? who would guide or initiate the gradual movement to communism? i am sincere in asking these questions, not trying to defeat you in some debate or anything... just at this point in my thinking, cant see what you mean.

[calumtw]

the socialist state would be created through democratic elections, for instance in most capitalist countries they have a socialist or communist party running. If this party comes to power through elections then it is its job to bring about the social reforms (public healthcare, fair minimum wage etc) that would pave the way for communism, this obviously doesn't happen overnight and I agree that communism has never existed in the true sense, not including small rural communist communities

[calumtw]

Its also true to say that in my opinion the Stalinist type of communism most associated with communism in the west leads to dictatorship and totalitarianism.

[dankeewolnir4042]

health care and wages are not human rights to be enforced by a government. if you give someone health care it is taking from someone else. like here in the US...companies are going out of business because they cant pay their employees and still make a profit, so the gov raises minimum wage (to combat their own inflation of the money supply) and now the bankrupt company must somehow pay more to the employees... so the companies are not "allowed" to be prosperous.

[dankeewolnir4042]

look at all the tyrants that have democratically elected... look at how America and GB are, with their mighty tyrannical empires backed by huge guns, enforce "Democracy" all over the world. I wonder why, because it is easy to manipulate. Look at all the "jackals" put into place by the CIA by starting democracies, so that they can put who ever they want in power for economical reasons. The US was once great, when it was a Constitutional Republic and had a limited gov, but very briefly.

[dankeewolnir4042]

Democracy passes into despotism.
Democracy... is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder; and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike. Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.

--Plato

well, i thought that is what you meant, but that sounds like big gov to me. who enforces minimum wage? government. just like ours. look at how tyranny runs the US

[calumtw]

I don't think of US or UK governments are particularly democratic.

[dankeewolnir4042]

right like my first statement about both democratic and communist states, "sound" good, but neither really are. They are both PROPAGATED by GOVERNMENTS. ALL forms of government want to get bigger... it is the nature of any business... to grow, so THE ONLY system that will work is one that is restricted by a constitution by and for the people. THE ONLY REASON A GOVERNMENT CAN EXIST IS TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE. thats it. the only reason. not to enforce any right. to protect rights

[calumtw]

I didnt say I dont support democracy, only that i think that the US and UK governments are not democratic.

[SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR]

I urge anyone watching this to look into anarchy. The video seems to conflate revolution with the anarchy that may or may not follow. Whether it be communist, syndicalist or market oriented it is very different from what this video would have you believe.

[willyleeman]

According to Wikipedia, the Greek word for republic is dimocratia. Also, there is a public in republic, and a necessary democratic component to the American republic, without which a republic quickly becomes an oligarchy. The video makes a valid point, that the rights of the individual come first.

[veganrick]

Excellent. A free libertarianism republic must be the future of government in the United States, or there will be no US. Some political scientists are already predicting the splintering of the states due to the increasing debt caused by the federal government.

[joshofbodom]

and who makes these laws is what you failed the say...

[ClearFire1]

They got the political graph wrong.

[JuggalaT]

i wish more people knew this stuff then i would not be alone and i could do something about it...***sigh***

[546422]

that would be the beauty and beast of our way of life. People can choose what to teach there kids or they can send them to school to be taught. Ether way it is left up to the majority of each subculture to educate the future of the States.

[antoconno]

@JuggalaT

Become Sovereign and you dont need anyone else.

[theoriginalanomaly]

We already lost our republic...

[LovehammerMedia]

@theoriginalanomaly We have not but its coming, it is coming....

[theoriginalanomaly]

That is simply wrong about anarchy. There are plenty of examples of anarchy in history. Ireland had almost 1000 years of anarchy. The "wild" west and the sheriff system, was more anarchic then government. Sheriffs were paid for by the property owners, and was not above any law. The judicial system when used was about the extent of government. However most used extra-judicial systems. Pennsylvania was mostly anarchic for the beginnings. Indians... Social order does not = gov't.

[iridespinners]

yes just what i was thinking

cus i strongly believe in anarchy

ANARCHISM!!!!!

anarchy & peace

YOU RULE YOUR OWN LIFE AND NO ONE ELSES

[abuali89]

but who will protect you from those who attack? anarchy would be perfect if everyone was peaceful and not violent.

[emilioTOMASbarca]

ararchy leads to totalitarianism

[SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR]

+ over 9000

[birchmanllc]

Thanks for posting

[tomandkelly]

I wish more people would understand these concepts. Our new president is going to create a new age and destroy this great republic. I has already begun.