I don't understand why after mentioning the Pequot War the image shown is of Kachina dancers from a southwestern pueblo tribe, and then pow wow dancers??
This is not a good composition and will only lead to more confusion, something we could really do a deal better without.
Exactly. The native Americans were/are different/separate nations. Showing the Kachina and Pow Wow Dancers in a video referring to Pequots is like illustrating the Iroquois living in tepees. Lumping native American nations together, is as incorrect as lumping Puritans,and Pilgrims together. It was the Pilgrims, not the Puritans who celebrated the first feast; the year was 1623 - not 1621. The bountiful harvest was a result of individuals owning the fruits of their labor - not as the video says.
the photo of the dance were modern day folks who call themselves desecendants of the pequot, possibly they have integrated other native dress into their culture. the other picture is was scanned from one of the references cited.
The european colonists intention was not to protect themselves from attacks or to defend territory, their intention was to eradicate an entire people and their culture.
That people was the Pequot, and then like dominoes one by the one all of the other Native American people, even the ones who supported their wars were attacked and pushed off their lands, stripped of their language, spirituality, and customs, turning many of them into empty husk people.
Excellent point bryanmilne. I agree that it created a ripple effect. Another factor was the Dutch and English trading companies of the early/mid 1600's that encouraged native NE tribes to over trap their lands - making the land impossible to support the native populations as before - forcing additional migrations west into other nations lands. As some tribes traded and aquired European weapons for pelts, remaining tribes had to do the same or be at a disadvantage.
The information I've examined shows quite detailed evidence of genocidal behavior on the part of the europeans.
The behavior of the european colonists was not for survival, there behavior was a complete and all out attack with racial and religious intolerance as the motive.
bryanmilne- I don't know if this is so. It appears as though the Colonists in Conn. of the 1630's opposed the Mass. Bay Colony authority decision to wage war on the Pequots. It was either Thomas Pell or Lyons Gardner who said such a war would endanger their survival. The Bay Colony authorities (Puritans not Pilgrims)appeared to believe in an English form of manifest destiny - to bring all of the Atlantic colonies under English authy. The Pequots as well as the Dutch in New Amsterdam "had to go"
The Pequot Indians were in Connecticut, not Mass where the Puritans and Pilgrims were. They were disliked even by other NE tribes The Mohegans and eastern Long Island tribes hated them so much, that they joined forces with the Puritans in wars; also bringing the English settlers the severed heads of Peguots. This video is a jumbled mess of separate European cultures. George Washington was not a Pilgrim or Puritan. Frankly he was a pain to American colonists - i.e. the Whiskey Rebellion.
please watch the video before you try to make assertions. in print the video states IN WHAT IS NOW CALLED CONNETICUT. do you read? the point about washington was about how thanksgiving evolved. you are pretty dense.
now, since your lack of knowledge suts you, conneticut was part of the maaschusetts bay colony. lol. your lack of history is more than apparent. next time read a book before you comment
American History always distorts what really happens. It's all BS. I don't even follow what I learned in High School History classes. My education didn't start till I was in college. Remember, this is the white man's pov of history.
Although I'm not Native American I feel your pov. Learning about my own people's history, Philippines, my people have suffered the same oppressed, racist fate just as so many other cultures. I personally don't like to celbrate thanksgiving jus cause It's bs
Myth begets myth... Your historical research is lacking, and distorts the facts. Those Pequots celebrating their green corn festival had just murdered and flayed (i.e. skinned alive) a number of english settlers including a woman and kidnapped several children. The englishmen who attacked them were farmers not mercenaries, outnumbered 7 to 1 and fighting to protect their homes and families. It may be trendy to expouse your revisionist ideas, but it's easy to judge with 300 years distance.
Amen, please read my post. Yes, skinned them alive as they were burning at the stake. Not English soldiers (captured in a straight forward battle, but the minister and farmers trying to gather corn. The Pequots hid in the tall grasses. They were vicious and hated by other contemporary native American tribes. The Mohegans joined the English to erradicate them. The tribes of eastern Long Island brought Lyon Gardner of Fort Say, Ct, Pequot severed heads. This video - long on anger; short on fact
Yes, I am VERY PROUD of Gov William Bradford!William Bradford never owned any slaves, nor was he a sexist or a racist.He never killed anyone either!Nothing you could say would ever change my mind about ancestor. By the way my middle name is Bradford. Every generation in my family has carried the great name of Bradford.
It's a fact that the Pilgrims and Puritans lived peacefully with the local native Americans. Fact: the Pequots lived nowhere near Bradford's colony. Pequots lived in Conn. where they terrorized other local Indian nations. Why does this video show pueblo and western Indians - located 2000 miles away? The Puritan and Pilgrim "disenters" faced religious extermination back home. Every human has the right to survival. This is one of the most ignorant videos on YouTube.
was that before or after the peaceful purtians arbitraily executed women as witches...you have yet to site sources i have dozens listed. most of which of ENGLISH and eurpoean sourcing. nice try though
battim; People have to be judged by the standards of the time they lived - not by the beliefs 300 yrs later. People then believed in witchcraft. As repulsive as it is, the Salem Puritans were not the only people to execute by burning at the stake - or believe in witches. Even so from the 1630's, many Pilgrims and Puritans were quietly 'getting out of Dodge' - migrating to Ct, Westchester Co NY, and west Mass. What was left I believe was a small core of 3rd gen fanatics. You can't lump people.
Building and rebuilding cultural myths is how the elite in power stay in power. Look at the blueblooded fascists we have had for president and cronies and that explains a lot. Patriotism can be the last bastion of cowardice.
(eyes roll) kind of like the blueblooded rpincess running for president this year? and fascist is such a silly word to use...there is nothing that indicates that...lol
well, yes, like most people who use the word "fascist", it really is an exaggeration for effect. sadly, the way elections are being manipulated I don't thimk it's a huge exaggeration. thnx
If any race in America has gotten the shaft it's the native American. Thats just one more area that needs change in America, give it back to whom it belongs.
1- Stop calling your country "America",and yourselves "Americans" America is a continent, which starts in the Southern tip, Cape Horn (Argentina), and ends in Alaska (USA). So, the hundreds of peoples contained in it are Americans. Don't steal that name from other peoples. Don't even steal it from the native Americans.
2- Stop repeating "God bless America". If God were to judge, it wouldn't ever bless a country founded on genocide.
I would like to ask your permission if I could copy (record it) and let my wife use it in her school (French kids between 16 and 22 year olds)she wont use it unless you give the go ahead
This video keeps bothering me, its not cause i feel bad, cause i dont. Its because i cant figure out what good it does now. Its not really a secret that there was a bloody conquest AND contest for this land for hundreds of years. Its not good, and we know that now..it seems the same as scolding a sixteen year old about something they did when they were five. Whatever america sucks, and with this kinda shit coming up every five minutes americas will be brazil in twenty years.
its really not about america sucking of the bloodshed, its not even about the genocide, its that were areen't teaching the truth in history. The whole point of it is that if we can't (and shouldn't mind you) teach myth is science class,
yea another part of this...funny you should mention south america BTW...another part of this and remembering history correctly is that there are still communities and nations around the world that are being oppressed in the same manner by national powers... im talking about wholesale slaughter ofindigenous populations- like the karen and shan for example. just look them up.
Look, my point is that unless you want to tear down the government pack our shit and go home (where is that?) i dont see what bringing this up every year contributes to the national identity or the memory of all those who have died to build this place. Actually, i do know what it contributes, marxist identity politics.
"marxist identity politics"? no, not at all. This is in fact real history, and it's also the kind of genocide that's still going on in the world. history should be accurate to inform people, so that if similiar events happen again the public isnt paralyzed by ignorance and can act against it( Ww2 happened after the native americans were killed for instance). If nobody knew the history before ww2, i dont see how knowing history would harm "the national identity
rag don't bother. he wants to believe this vlog is antiamerican so bad, he godwin law's it and brings up marxism (when in fact this vlogs rails against marxism as well) and there was intent in showing puritans and talking about creationism. blastingcaps doesnt want to understand why we study history, he rather pretend it never happened (ostrich head meet sand).
Dude, thats bullshit. I understand why people study history. but i can spot the same old marxist, frankfurt school blather all over yer approach. if you realize it or not you ARE anti-american with this because you only present one side of a time none of us understand now. Its skewed to make whitey an aggressor in an age old struggle for survival. fuck that. There is no more time for blame, self haters and racists. such as you people are here.
ummm....dude i insult marxism in this vlog, you certainly are dense. the pilgrims were not american. fool. i present the facts. facts. the europeans, by their own admission, were imperialists. what that has to do with "america" i am alost at. america wasn't even a thought in 1621. the only stooge here is you, because you don't even know the difference between a 17th century eurpoean and an american is.
The Europeans were imperialist by their own admission and thats history. but the puritans, quakers and the religions of the first awakening were all separatists, you know, "wherefor have we sought a country of a rugged soil" and such speeches-- yes, but america wasn't a real place or a culture at this point, it was only an idea by some reactionary europeans, so i agree t you.
I am dense? You trot out THE cultural marxist line and call me dense. haha! That is THE tip of the moronic iceberg. and get this straight, if you and i were standing face to face you would talk like this. look go put yer costum on gay boy. fuckin dork.
yeah dude, its pretty clear that battim rails against marxism here by calling it too ideological and ignorant of human nature, im suprised you didn't pick up on that.
rag, he won't pick up on that, because he has an agenda all to himself, he straw man;s debate and ignores any persepctive that not his own. intellectual oddities abound.
any native community thats losing their land bc of adjacent counties should know that as long as there is proof of residence for more than one generation or 35 yrs; this means developing unused land in your territory into agricultural plots (for example,20 years to fully grow a fruit tree), expanding residence space on unused plots,--- why not make a public park?--and then store documents proving it.
Oh and i can i say for the record that i didnt believe anything i learned in school anyway. Thats probably why i was "alternatively" placed by fifth grade and kicked out of so many school i ran out of them to go to till they locked me up.
i actually proud of this now..looking back...i gave them hell.
You even say the original Thanksgiving event was as recorded and then seek to defame this historical event with a record of a later event. Speaking of a "straw man" arguement.
Lets look at history and see what the Native Americans did to each other and to many of the European settlers before you cast stones to far. Its not so "cut and dried". If you want to take an honest look at history then do so.
poop...for the most part in North America there is very little to document this pre-european conquest. orygun wants to believe the lies...he's probably think jesus' legend had nothing to do with mithra either..
jesus and allah and their followers are everything that is wrong in the world right now. not respecting everyone elses walks saying they are the opnly right ways. highschool history is a myth taght by said people. open your eyes.
please look at the description for references...i never said it was as recorded...what was said was there was a celebration but not for "thanksgiving"
oh im not arguing with you about it, im nish and wyandot of anderdon. just backing you up. that first post of mine was responce to orygun. the second was generalized to anyone. ^.^ migwech for the video ennit.
they've all publised accounts of this...its accepted history...not PC and not propaganda, your use of those words certainly are though...straw man. you lose.
oh, and by the way before you make a fool of yourself again, check Oxford Press and the Royal Dutch historical society, they see these facts as historical as well, the only thing PC about you is your inane belief on what the system taugh you...robot.
Well, good for you that you can write out the names of publishing houses. You offered no proof. No citation of proof. Just your words. You seek to debunk American history and offer nothing but YOUR interpretation of events. You even said that the 1621 event was as was recorded and then set up a later event to debunk the American Thanksgiving holiday. Talk about a "straw man" arguement.
orgygun, whether you like it or not, its history and fact....the celebration that was called thanksgiving time and time again was celebration of slaughter and conquest..now where is your reference that 1621 was ever called thanksgiving...?
i like yer videos man, but i gotta say i would like some specific proof myself. I dont have a problem believing people killed each other over this land now called the united states..as you correctly point out..people have been doing this for a long time. But arent you also kind of characterizing what happen a long time ago with the moral scope of 2007? kinda unfair man...
the proof is in journals from the massachusetts bay colony and texts from the time. and no, its worse now. we actually know better but still keep our native locked in cages we call reservations and provide them with nothing.
the other point is there in NO proof 1621 was ever referred to as thanksgiving, we have direct evidence of 1837, and it was written by the man who ordered the slaughter himself.
sorry, i didnt look at that first..i should have. thats alot of text and i noticed that the majority of it is from what i would consider leftist authors who have more than a stake in the demoralizing of the united states. Again, i dont doubt the truth of ALOT of what you say. Maybe i am just tired of america bashing.
which one of those writers is leftist? lol...don't recall one commie or anarchist in the bunch...please use reference...how are the actual journals from the time leftist?
ummm that would be basking europeans who came here...not america...silly silly silly...there is nothing leftist about calling the puritans out for being communist...that sounds like conservative opinion to me...please show one leftist reference from any of the references...your turn to justify claims.
i dont think anybody is denying european genocide against native americans, its pretty obvious. but if your an optimist, i guess one shining example of kindness is better then a million of cruelty. take columbus for example, the man was a slave trading religious fanaticle who was condemed as a murderer by spain, but most people choose to focus on the fact that he discovered america.
to call that an optimist's viewpoint is silly at best. there are NO shining examples of kindness worth more than a million of cruelty. cruelty is entirely unacceptable to caring people period.
best from japan to the maker of this video and all who watch it. peace.
cruelty is a common occurence, kindness is not. if you want to recongnise cruelty you need only look out the window. kindness is far rarer and deserves far more recpgnition. im not saying cruelty is acceptable, im saying people should learn from the past and not dwell on it.
its not about dweeling on it, we haven't learned from it so the lesson must continue...natives in this cou try still mire in poverty...there is no excuse for the here and now...
While history is important. People give thanks for many things including victory over those they see as their enemies. I, as a Choctaw/Cherokee, am Thankful there is a Holiday when people Celebrate Family, Friends, and the things that have enriched Their Life, as most do today.
i as a oglala sioux can do that on any off day, i don't need a blood reminder to do it...its HOW it is celebrated and lies behind the celebration that bug me...would we still celebrate christmas if we found out christ was never a person or that he advocated incest? i think not.
I had no idea that these acts were perpetrated upon the true American people, Nations and tribes. Thanks for the education but we aren't aware of such things in the U.K. unless we study such things. Genocide is genocide in anyone's language.
nothing in history as we are taught in school is truth..I'm a decendent of a famous Pilgrim..and I thought it was awesome until I found out the truth..and what they did to the Indians...awesome video..
what they did to a fraction of the native population is nothing compared to how they treated their women...think about that for a moment...the still live amongst us...they just call themselves different names...
what do you mean we? Americans? My blood is so mixed I am related to puritans but my gggma may have been native American. I am not celebrating a war- it is tradition for my family to gather and have turkey. It is important to never forget it is a good video.
its what we are doing now that counts...it has not ended. how can we celebrate when the war isn't over? point being, if we found out christmas was a celebration of incest would you still feel comfortable celebrating it? maybe its time we admit our mistakes and remember those that to this day, are treated no differently than they were in 1621.
Maybe it's time to get over it and make for a better tomorrow. Lingering in guilt over the mistakes of barbarians 400 years ago isn't going to make you strong. You are responsible for yourself. Nobody alive today owes you or me a damn thing. Have some turkey....
get over the poor conditions natives live in now? get over what? something has to be over to get over it...we are doing it today in this country, are you really that blind? if one is an american than you are responsible...
battim: Well, I'm not sure what they are teaching in school just now, but there are plenty of deniers raising hell about "self-hating Americans teaching our kids a bunch of 'politically-correct crap,'" lol. Some people deny the genocide, others say "I didn't do it, so I'm not responsible," but of course we should all explain it to our own kids, and we are all responsible for the bad stuff, just as we get the benefits of the good stuff.
Teach your children well Their father's hell Did slowly go by And feed them on your dreams The one they picks The one you'll know by. Don't you ever ask them why If they told you, you would cry So just look at them and sigh And know they love you. -csny
yeah i keep all my native american research in one place...hundreds of pages that broke my heart. i actually went as far to go to the school where i attended 6th grade to look at what they were using as a history book...it is getting better, but kids are still fed horse shit. that was somewhere between 02-05
ever read about how the slaves and the native americans were used against each other once they realized they might be allies? um...thinking..around the 1620's to 30's, the french in Louisiana? am pretty sure...maybe i will dig all that out for a vid or somethin...
the indians wouldn't not behave but this was after the white man(pale face)had proved he would kill to get his way,everytime without fail.the indians could not trust the white man,but did come a time where peace may have been reached,but by this time, the indian did not trust and hated the white man,they were desrtoyed tribe by tribe,one by one,even into the 1940(or 50's not 100%)when 100's of indians were by the c.i.a. at a 'peace' meeting.google this!!!!
it happens everywhere, its funny how the worldl ikes to point its fingers this way. i am an maerican, i will not point fingers until my backyard is cleaned up.
Yet I am still thankful for all the freedoms we have, for all the men and women who fought/fight for it, and for every little good thing in life. I leave the rest up to God as I am usually kind to those I meet. Man has subjugated since the beginning of time. It's not right, but I think life is much like a war only there are sweet spots in between the madness.
Hey, we believe the myths they tell us about what happened yesterday, why should anybody care about facts when it comes to something 400 years back? Although it might be a good place to start.
most of us believe the myths the media tells us too...one sided crap...as bush isnt the hero fox prtrays him as he isn't the villian msnbc paints him either...
PEACE to all.... the world tree is raising consciousness across the entire cosmos with every new moment...
bryanmilne 3 years ago
I don't understand why after mentioning the Pequot War the image shown is of Kachina dancers from a southwestern pueblo tribe, and then pow wow dancers??
This is not a good composition and will only lead to more confusion, something we could really do a deal better without.
bryanmilne 3 years ago
Exactly. The native Americans were/are different/separate nations. Showing the Kachina and Pow Wow Dancers in a video referring to Pequots is like illustrating the Iroquois living in tepees. Lumping native American nations together, is as incorrect as lumping Puritans,and Pilgrims together. It was the Pilgrims, not the Puritans who celebrated the first feast; the year was 1623 - not 1621. The bountiful harvest was a result of individuals owning the fruits of their labor - not as the video says.
macpduff 3 years ago
the pilgrim celebration was talked about later in teh video (1621) and the 1638 celebration was of the puritans. its obvious that you missed that.
battim 3 years ago
the photo of the dance were modern day folks who call themselves desecendants of the pequot, possibly they have integrated other native dress into their culture. the other picture is was scanned from one of the references cited.
battim 3 years ago
The european colonists intention was not to protect themselves from attacks or to defend territory, their intention was to eradicate an entire people and their culture.
That people was the Pequot, and then like dominoes one by the one all of the other Native American people, even the ones who supported their wars were attacked and pushed off their lands, stripped of their language, spirituality, and customs, turning many of them into empty husk people.
bryanmilne 3 years ago
Excellent point bryanmilne. I agree that it created a ripple effect. Another factor was the Dutch and English trading companies of the early/mid 1600's that encouraged native NE tribes to over trap their lands - making the land impossible to support the native populations as before - forcing additional migrations west into other nations lands. As some tribes traded and aquired European weapons for pelts, remaining tribes had to do the same or be at a disadvantage.
macpduff 3 years ago
The information I've examined shows quite detailed evidence of genocidal behavior on the part of the europeans.
The behavior of the european colonists was not for survival, there behavior was a complete and all out attack with racial and religious intolerance as the motive.
bryanmilne 3 years ago
bryanmilne- I don't know if this is so. It appears as though the Colonists in Conn. of the 1630's opposed the Mass. Bay Colony authority decision to wage war on the Pequots. It was either Thomas Pell or Lyons Gardner who said such a war would endanger their survival. The Bay Colony authorities (Puritans not Pilgrims)appeared to believe in an English form of manifest destiny - to bring all of the Atlantic colonies under English authy. The Pequots as well as the Dutch in New Amsterdam "had to go"
macpduff 3 years ago
I like the movie, it is so good to know the truth... Thank you for including the reference material!
I'm sorry to see all the racist comments and highly disturbed to think that anyone would argue that the atrocities committed were justifiable.
bryanmilne 3 years ago
The Pequot Indians were in Connecticut, not Mass where the Puritans and Pilgrims were. They were disliked even by other NE tribes The Mohegans and eastern Long Island tribes hated them so much, that they joined forces with the Puritans in wars; also bringing the English settlers the severed heads of Peguots. This video is a jumbled mess of separate European cultures. George Washington was not a Pilgrim or Puritan. Frankly he was a pain to American colonists - i.e. the Whiskey Rebellion.
macpduff 3 years ago
please watch the video before you try to make assertions. in print the video states IN WHAT IS NOW CALLED CONNETICUT. do you read? the point about washington was about how thanksgiving evolved. you are pretty dense.
battim 3 years ago
now, since your lack of knowledge suts you, conneticut was part of the maaschusetts bay colony. lol. your lack of history is more than apparent. next time read a book before you comment
battim 3 years ago
Find out what is the so-called Boston Massacre. Find out more about the Opium War. Compare with what you are taught at school in the US.
uscampus 3 years ago
American History always distorts what really happens. It's all BS. I don't even follow what I learned in High School History classes. My education didn't start till I was in college. Remember, this is the white man's pov of history.
Although I'm not Native American I feel your pov. Learning about my own people's history, Philippines, my people have suffered the same oppressed, racist fate just as so many other cultures. I personally don't like to celbrate thanksgiving jus cause It's bs
Mistabsf 3 years ago
The United States commited GENOCIDE against the Native Americans!!!Free Indians!!!
uscampus 3 years ago
Myth begets myth... Your historical research is lacking, and distorts the facts. Those Pequots celebrating their green corn festival had just murdered and flayed (i.e. skinned alive) a number of english settlers including a woman and kidnapped several children. The englishmen who attacked them were farmers not mercenaries, outnumbered 7 to 1 and fighting to protect their homes and families. It may be trendy to expouse your revisionist ideas, but it's easy to judge with 300 years distance.
megzzirish05 3 years ago
according to whose history? hmmmmm. mine comes directly from english accounts.
battim 3 years ago
Amen, please read my post. Yes, skinned them alive as they were burning at the stake. Not English soldiers (captured in a straight forward battle, but the minister and farmers trying to gather corn. The Pequots hid in the tall grasses. They were vicious and hated by other contemporary native American tribes. The Mohegans joined the English to erradicate them. The tribes of eastern Long Island brought Lyon Gardner of Fort Say, Ct, Pequot severed heads. This video - long on anger; short on fact
macpduff 3 years ago
This is part of my family after a little wile the last name changed to brafford
braffoa1999 3 years ago
I will never see Thanksgiving in the same light any more. Don't think I'll celebrate it either. Thats too bad, because I love to cook.
inuitwoman 3 years ago
Yes, I am VERY PROUD of Gov William Bradford!William Bradford never owned any slaves, nor was he a sexist or a racist.He never killed anyone either!Nothing you could say would ever change my mind about ancestor. By the way my middle name is Bradford. Every generation in my family has carried the great name of Bradford.
janecny315 3 years ago
Stupid Video!! My ancestor Gov William Bradford was a great and just man! I am proud that he was my ancestor. My son is named after him.
janecny315 3 years ago
great, you named him after a murderer, a racist, a slave owner, and a sexist. something to be proud of. lol.
battim 3 years ago
It's a fact that the Pilgrims and Puritans lived peacefully with the local native Americans. Fact: the Pequots lived nowhere near Bradford's colony. Pequots lived in Conn. where they terrorized other local Indian nations. Why does this video show pueblo and western Indians - located 2000 miles away? The Puritan and Pilgrim "disenters" faced religious extermination back home. Every human has the right to survival. This is one of the most ignorant videos on YouTube.
macpduff 3 years ago
was that before or after the peaceful purtians arbitraily executed women as witches...you have yet to site sources i have dozens listed. most of which of ENGLISH and eurpoean sourcing. nice try though
battim 3 years ago
battim; People have to be judged by the standards of the time they lived - not by the beliefs 300 yrs later. People then believed in witchcraft. As repulsive as it is, the Salem Puritans were not the only people to execute by burning at the stake - or believe in witches. Even so from the 1630's, many Pilgrims and Puritans were quietly 'getting out of Dodge' - migrating to Ct, Westchester Co NY, and west Mass. What was left I believe was a small core of 3rd gen fanatics. You can't lump people.
macpduff 3 years ago
i am still lost to your point. i was calrifying histroy, not making a judgement of anyone today.
battim 3 years ago
hey thanks for clarifying.why dont you bring me down for the next holiday while you are at it.
chompy44 3 years ago
Building and rebuilding cultural myths is how the elite in power stay in power. Look at the blueblooded fascists we have had for president and cronies and that explains a lot. Patriotism can be the last bastion of cowardice.
gbail9566 3 years ago
(eyes roll) kind of like the blueblooded rpincess running for president this year? and fascist is such a silly word to use...there is nothing that indicates that...lol
battim 3 years ago
well, yes, like most people who use the word "fascist", it really is an exaggeration for effect. sadly, the way elections are being manipulated I don't thimk it's a huge exaggeration. thnx
gbail9566 3 years ago
which elections are being manipulated this year? and honestly that happens on both sides no?
battim 3 years ago
the winners are the best cheaters?
gbail9566 3 years ago
If any race in America has gotten the shaft it's the native American. Thats just one more area that needs change in America, give it back to whom it belongs.
polidic 4 years ago
1- Stop calling your country "America",and yourselves "Americans" America is a continent, which starts in the Southern tip, Cape Horn (Argentina), and ends in Alaska (USA). So, the hundreds of peoples contained in it are Americans. Don't steal that name from other peoples. Don't even steal it from the native Americans.
2- Stop repeating "God bless America". If God were to judge, it wouldn't ever bless a country founded on genocide.
x22y44 4 years ago
i dont believe in god, as for the name, whats in a name?
battim 4 years ago
Thank You for Exposing the Truest Terrorists,
for What They Were-They Called Themselves Settlers-----They Have Yet to Settle Anything Except--War--After War on Those They Can Call
Worst than Themselves---- Apache-_-Sky
ApacheSk 4 years ago
Battim this is fantastic
I would like to ask your permission if I could copy (record it) and let my wife use it in her school (French kids between 16 and 22 year olds)she wont use it unless you give the go ahead
so well made too
clattybrown 4 years ago
absolutely...
battim 4 years ago
Outstanding video Tim.
TheSumpPump 4 years ago
This video keeps bothering me, its not cause i feel bad, cause i dont. Its because i cant figure out what good it does now. Its not really a secret that there was a bloody conquest AND contest for this land for hundreds of years. Its not good, and we know that now..it seems the same as scolding a sixteen year old about something they did when they were five. Whatever america sucks, and with this kinda shit coming up every five minutes americas will be brazil in twenty years.
*applause*
blastingcaps 4 years ago
its really not about america sucking of the bloodshed, its not even about the genocide, its that were areen't teaching the truth in history. The whole point of it is that if we can't (and shouldn't mind you) teach myth is science class,
why do we teach it in history class?
battim 4 years ago
Odd you should bring up creationism, the creationists of today seem like the direct descendants of the puritans.
adobster 4 years ago
yea another part of this...funny you should mention south america BTW...another part of this and remembering history correctly is that there are still communities and nations around the world that are being oppressed in the same manner by national powers... im talking about wholesale slaughter ofindigenous populations- like the karen and shan for example. just look them up.
ragnorakk 4 years ago
Look, my point is that unless you want to tear down the government pack our shit and go home (where is that?) i dont see what bringing this up every year contributes to the national identity or the memory of all those who have died to build this place. Actually, i do know what it contributes, marxist identity politics.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
"marxist identity politics"? no, not at all. This is in fact real history, and it's also the kind of genocide that's still going on in the world. history should be accurate to inform people, so that if similiar events happen again the public isnt paralyzed by ignorance and can act against it( Ww2 happened after the native americans were killed for instance). If nobody knew the history before ww2, i dont see how knowing history would harm "the national identity
ragnorakk 4 years ago
rag don't bother. he wants to believe this vlog is antiamerican so bad, he godwin law's it and brings up marxism (when in fact this vlogs rails against marxism as well) and there was intent in showing puritans and talking about creationism. blastingcaps doesnt want to understand why we study history, he rather pretend it never happened (ostrich head meet sand).
battim 4 years ago
Dude, thats bullshit. I understand why people study history. but i can spot the same old marxist, frankfurt school blather all over yer approach. if you realize it or not you ARE anti-american with this because you only present one side of a time none of us understand now. Its skewed to make whitey an aggressor in an age old struggle for survival. fuck that. There is no more time for blame, self haters and racists. such as you people are here.
good luck stooges
aaron
blastingcaps 4 years ago
ummm....dude i insult marxism in this vlog, you certainly are dense. the pilgrims were not american. fool. i present the facts. facts. the europeans, by their own admission, were imperialists. what that has to do with "america" i am alost at. america wasn't even a thought in 1621. the only stooge here is you, because you don't even know the difference between a 17th century eurpoean and an american is.
battim 4 years ago
The Europeans were imperialist by their own admission and thats history. but the puritans, quakers and the religions of the first awakening were all separatists, you know, "wherefor have we sought a country of a rugged soil" and such speeches-- yes, but america wasn't a real place or a culture at this point, it was only an idea by some reactionary europeans, so i agree t you.
ragnorakk 4 years ago
using the land prevents land-grabbing b/c your physical evidence will be more powerful than a reinterpreted legal document.
ragnorakk 4 years ago
I am dense? You trot out THE cultural marxist line and call me dense. haha! That is THE tip of the moronic iceberg. and get this straight, if you and i were standing face to face you would talk like this. look go put yer costum on gay boy. fuckin dork.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
yeah dude, its pretty clear that battim rails against marxism here by calling it too ideological and ignorant of human nature, im suprised you didn't pick up on that.
ragnorakk 4 years ago
rag, he won't pick up on that, because he has an agenda all to himself, he straw man;s debate and ignores any persepctive that not his own. intellectual oddities abound.
battim 4 years ago
rofl.
polidic 4 years ago
because it is still going on...natives in this country are bein treated like animals.
battim 4 years ago
any native community thats losing their land bc of adjacent counties should know that as long as there is proof of residence for more than one generation or 35 yrs; this means developing unused land in your territory into agricultural plots (for example,20 years to fully grow a fruit tree), expanding residence space on unused plots,--- why not make a public park?--and then store documents proving it.
ragnorakk 4 years ago
they are but two of many examples...
battim 4 years ago
excellent video, native americans are the only true americans
nowar08 4 years ago
well vespucci wasn't native...so maybe they are the only true natives!
battim 4 years ago
ok your right, free leonard peltier
nowar08 4 years ago
amen
battim 4 years ago
Oh and i can i say for the record that i didnt believe anything i learned in school anyway. Thats probably why i was "alternatively" placed by fifth grade and kicked out of so many school i ran out of them to go to till they locked me up.
i actually proud of this now..looking back...i gave them hell.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
I am....
Excuse me.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
ahh the truth feels good!
poopwax 4 years ago
tell that to orygun who still believes the history he learned in high school...
battim 4 years ago
10 stars if I could
ptortice 4 years ago
You even say the original Thanksgiving event was as recorded and then seek to defame this historical event with a record of a later event. Speaking of a "straw man" arguement.
Lets look at history and see what the Native Americans did to each other and to many of the European settlers before you cast stones to far. Its not so "cut and dried". If you want to take an honest look at history then do so.
orygun15 4 years ago
th event in 1621 was never called thanksgiving...what part of that did you miss...it was revised in recent times...
battim 4 years ago
lets orgygun, now where are your references about what was done to each other....
battim 4 years ago
true, native americans had wars, and even territories. but in no way did we do mass genoicide on each other in the effects europeans did.
see trail of tears, look into the history of columbus, where rezervations come from and why, the effects they have on people, etc etc.
look into the canary effect mr. european.
poopwax 4 years ago
poop...for the most part in North America there is very little to document this pre-european conquest. orygun wants to believe the lies...he's probably think jesus' legend had nothing to do with mithra either..
battim 4 years ago
jesus and allah and their followers are everything that is wrong in the world right now. not respecting everyone elses walks saying they are the opnly right ways. highschool history is a myth taght by said people. open your eyes.
poopwax 4 years ago
ummm that was the point of the video...no?
battim 4 years ago
Bradford, William, Of Plymouth Plantation, 1620-1647, originally
published in 1856 under the title History of Plymouth Plantation.
Introduction by Francis Murphy. New York: Random House, 1981.
battim 4 years ago
please look at the description for references...i never said it was as recorded...what was said was there was a celebration but not for "thanksgiving"
battim 4 years ago
oh im not arguing with you about it, im nish and wyandot of anderdon. just backing you up. that first post of mine was responce to orygun. the second was generalized to anyone. ^.^ migwech for the video ennit.
poopwax 4 years ago
i know bro, i was being facetious...
battim 4 years ago
Some proof is needed. I don't believe everything on the internet and YouTube for that matter.
If you want to push your version of history then offer proof and not politically correct propaganda.
orygun15 4 years ago
John Hopkins University Press
Harvard Press
Stanford Press
MIT
they've all publised accounts of this...its accepted history...not PC and not propaganda, your use of those words certainly are though...straw man. you lose.
battim 4 years ago
oh, and by the way before you make a fool of yourself again, check Oxford Press and the Royal Dutch historical society, they see these facts as historical as well, the only thing PC about you is your inane belief on what the system taugh you...robot.
battim 4 years ago
Well, good for you that you can write out the names of publishing houses. You offered no proof. No citation of proof. Just your words. You seek to debunk American history and offer nothing but YOUR interpretation of events. You even said that the 1621 event was as was recorded and then set up a later event to debunk the American Thanksgiving holiday. Talk about a "straw man" arguement.
orygun15 4 years ago
orgygun, whether you like it or not, its history and fact....the celebration that was called thanksgiving time and time again was celebration of slaughter and conquest..now where is your reference that 1621 was ever called thanksgiving...?
battim 4 years ago
i like yer videos man, but i gotta say i would like some specific proof myself. I dont have a problem believing people killed each other over this land now called the united states..as you correctly point out..people have been doing this for a long time. But arent you also kind of characterizing what happen a long time ago with the moral scope of 2007? kinda unfair man...
blastingcaps 4 years ago
the proof is in journals from the massachusetts bay colony and texts from the time. and no, its worse now. we actually know better but still keep our native locked in cages we call reservations and provide them with nothing.
battim 4 years ago
the other point is there in NO proof 1621 was ever referred to as thanksgiving, we have direct evidence of 1837, and it was written by the man who ordered the slaughter himself.
battim 4 years ago
blasting a abridged list of around adozen texts to peruse is in the description.
battim 4 years ago
sorry, i didnt look at that first..i should have. thats alot of text and i noticed that the majority of it is from what i would consider leftist authors who have more than a stake in the demoralizing of the united states. Again, i dont doubt the truth of ALOT of what you say. Maybe i am just tired of america bashing.
cheers
blastingcaps 4 years ago
which one of those writers is leftist? lol...don't recall one commie or anarchist in the bunch...please use reference...how are the actual journals from the time leftist?
battim 4 years ago
ummm that would be basking europeans who came here...not america...silly silly silly...there is nothing leftist about calling the puritans out for being communist...that sounds like conservative opinion to me...please show one leftist reference from any of the references...your turn to justify claims.
battim 4 years ago
part 2 of the youtube superhero villan special is now on my page its called "Spidey Working at A Bank Ep. 5(yt special p.2/season finale"
poopzakishawt 4 years ago
Tim: Fav'd. 5, and Featured.
The Truth needs to be taught.
Damn.
ShortbusMooner 4 years ago
exactly
MBRHIndustries 4 years ago
interesting.
as an portuguese, I didnt know this shit.. thanks for sharing
NetzDriverZ 4 years ago
i dont think anybody is denying european genocide against native americans, its pretty obvious. but if your an optimist, i guess one shining example of kindness is better then a million of cruelty. take columbus for example, the man was a slave trading religious fanaticle who was condemed as a murderer by spain, but most people choose to focus on the fact that he discovered america.
sploogersmoof 4 years ago
to call that an optimist's viewpoint is silly at best. there are NO shining examples of kindness worth more than a million of cruelty. cruelty is entirely unacceptable to caring people period.
best from japan to the maker of this video and all who watch it. peace.
decencyEnough2resign 4 years ago
cruelty is a common occurence, kindness is not. if you want to recongnise cruelty you need only look out the window. kindness is far rarer and deserves far more recpgnition. im not saying cruelty is acceptable, im saying people should learn from the past and not dwell on it.
sploogersmoof 4 years ago
its not about dweeling on it, we haven't learned from it so the lesson must continue...natives in this cou try still mire in poverty...there is no excuse for the here and now...
battim 4 years ago
i love that name sploogersmoof...
battim 4 years ago
Very nice... Thanks
Roymansd 4 years ago
::hugs:: ♥
Sanclestia 4 years ago
what's the purpose of lying about it?
gemycat 4 years ago
not sure gemy...history is full of them
battim 4 years ago
Happy Small Pox Day guy!
Stroopinator 4 years ago
While history is important. People give thanks for many things including victory over those they see as their enemies. I, as a Choctaw/Cherokee, am Thankful there is a Holiday when people Celebrate Family, Friends, and the things that have enriched Their Life, as most do today.
Happy Thanksgiving & Be Well! ~ Zen Archer
ZenArcher 4 years ago 2
That's a good way of "reclaiming" the holiday, and putting good energy into it.
Hermgirl666 4 years ago
i as a oglala sioux can do that on any off day, i don't need a blood reminder to do it...its HOW it is celebrated and lies behind the celebration that bug me...would we still celebrate christmas if we found out christ was never a person or that he advocated incest? i think not.
battim 4 years ago
chrstmas isnt about jesus, people just think it is.
sploogersmoof 4 years ago
It's about buying sh!t.
xexkxex 4 years ago
Ughh! =/
BlondeHeadTilt 4 years ago
I had no idea that these acts were perpetrated upon the true American people, Nations and tribes. Thanks for the education but we aren't aware of such things in the U.K. unless we study such things. Genocide is genocide in anyone's language.
TamHickey67 4 years ago
great one tim. people must know about the genocide that took place in our american lands
fernandomares 4 years ago
it happens everywhere, every day.
battim 4 years ago
nothing in history as we are taught in school is truth..I'm a decendent of a famous Pilgrim..and I thought it was awesome until I found out the truth..and what they did to the Indians...awesome video..
Aprildew 4 years ago
what they did to a fraction of the native population is nothing compared to how they treated their women...think about that for a moment...the still live amongst us...they just call themselves different names...
battim 4 years ago
Bush, WMD? whats the difference.
snotmagic 4 years ago
none really, kind of my point, bush is no more or less a villian than any other world leader past or present, he's just less effective
battim 4 years ago
wow that Saturday Evening Post cover was creapy
andyphotox 4 years ago
creepy in a good way...at least rockwell got it.
battim 4 years ago
I asked my son if he know what Thanksgiving was about- he said it was a fight. They aren't teaching 5 year olds the same story anymore.
Sabrnig 4 years ago
yeah...but we are still celebrating a fight...one that we won, no?
battim 4 years ago
what do you mean we? Americans? My blood is so mixed I am related to puritans but my gggma may have been native American. I am not celebrating a war- it is tradition for my family to gather and have turkey. It is important to never forget it is a good video.
Sabrnig 4 years ago
its what we are doing now that counts...it has not ended. how can we celebrate when the war isn't over? point being, if we found out christmas was a celebration of incest would you still feel comfortable celebrating it? maybe its time we admit our mistakes and remember those that to this day, are treated no differently than they were in 1621.
battim 4 years ago
Maybe it's time to get over it and make for a better tomorrow. Lingering in guilt over the mistakes of barbarians 400 years ago isn't going to make you strong. You are responsible for yourself. Nobody alive today owes you or me a damn thing. Have some turkey....
voiyour 4 years ago
get over the poor conditions natives live in now? get over what? something has to be over to get over it...we are doing it today in this country, are you really that blind? if one is an american than you are responsible...
battim 4 years ago
did you even get the point of the video...we cant get over something we still teach in school ...
battim 4 years ago
battim: Well, I'm not sure what they are teaching in school just now, but there are plenty of deniers raising hell about "self-hating Americans teaching our kids a bunch of 'politically-correct crap,'" lol. Some people deny the genocide, others say "I didn't do it, so I'm not responsible," but of course we should all explain it to our own kids, and we are all responsible for the bad stuff, just as we get the benefits of the good stuff.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
battim 4 years ago
yeah i keep all my native american research in one place...hundreds of pages that broke my heart. i actually went as far to go to the school where i attended 6th grade to look at what they were using as a history book...it is getting better, but kids are still fed horse shit. that was somewhere between 02-05
achampag 4 years ago
ever read about how the slaves and the native americans were used against each other once they realized they might be allies? um...thinking..around the 1620's to 30's, the french in Louisiana? am pretty sure...maybe i will dig all that out for a vid or somethin...
achampag 4 years ago
how about the year 2000 in america?
battim 4 years ago
will check out what i have this weekend...but yeah i have the modern stuff too...the lakota soiux come to mind
achampag 4 years ago
they always come to mind to me..
battim 4 years ago
That would be an excellent topic for a vid.
Hermgirl666 4 years ago
yes it would.....
battim 4 years ago
a voice of truth
logosfabula 4 years ago
the indians wouldn't not behave but this was after the white man(pale face)had proved he would kill to get his way,everytime without fail.the indians could not trust the white man,but did come a time where peace may have been reached,but by this time, the indian did not trust and hated the white man,they were desrtoyed tribe by tribe,one by one,even into the 1940(or 50's not 100%)when 100's of indians were by the c.i.a. at a 'peace' meeting.google this!!!!
lazymornings 4 years ago
one story of but many of betrayal...
battim 4 years ago
I heard about all the lies they fed us about Columbus but I never heard this. Thanks for the information.
djinni717 4 years ago
Great video Tim!
Stuka87 4 years ago
no refridgeration...no attempt at truth, witch burnings, women as property....yeah good times.
battim 4 years ago
interesting video i never knew that, mainly because im not american and i dont celebrate the holiday so i didnt care enough to research it.
1Haze1 4 years ago
this reason alone made me glad i did it...cheers.
battim 4 years ago
good vid sir. i question how institutions (schools govt corporates) get away with so much decieving when so many are not decieved.
pornfartin 4 years ago 2
its called indoctrination and practiced the world over, we are hardly alone in our lies..
battim 4 years ago
shouldnt this vid be spammed?
pornfartin 4 years ago
take lessons from gnr, he is the master, he learned all he knows from sarrycrey.
battim 4 years ago
lets hope this kind of bloody history never happen again, now, where is the turkey ;)
JerbatimSerex 4 years ago
funny you mention turkey, because its happening there as we speak, ask the turkish kurds...
battim 4 years ago
Basque is way better example and its in heart of the Europe, Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Cyprus, and so on, and so on...
JerbatimSerex 4 years ago 2
it happens everywhere, its funny how the worldl ikes to point its fingers this way. i am an maerican, i will not point fingers until my backyard is cleaned up.
battim 4 years ago
Yes, as time marches on, so does tyranny, unfortunately.
Hermgirl666 4 years ago
Yup this sounds about right XD
muffunman 4 years ago
re. to ur comment on my vid-hell yeah
poopzakishawt 4 years ago
Tim you are on your job lately another great video.
TrueScience 4 years ago 2
i go in spurts of inspiration, this time of year inspires me...
battim 4 years ago
Yet I am still thankful for all the freedoms we have, for all the men and women who fought/fight for it, and for every little good thing in life. I leave the rest up to God as I am usually kind to those I meet. Man has subjugated since the beginning of time. It's not right, but I think life is much like a war only there are sweet spots in between the madness.
Rh1no1 4 years ago 3
sometimes i wonder if god is as much a myth as everything else man has shared with us...i wonder..
battim 4 years ago
refreshingly honest comment, Lindsay
aproxxy 4 years ago
agreed..this video was about the european atrocities...its would be nice if we could provide our native peoples with the same freedoms we enjoy, huh?
battim 4 years ago
yes, it would be nice if this holiday could evolve from being thankful into giving back some of the fruit of our somewhat ill-begotten gains
aproxxy 4 years ago
amen to that. or perhaps maybe spending some public money on infrastructure on the rez...there's an idea.
battim 4 years ago
wow! thanks for this.
videochick770 4 years ago
There she is, Myth America...
Hey, we believe the myths they tell us about what happened yesterday, why should anybody care about facts when it comes to something 400 years back? Although it might be a good place to start.
kenrg 4 years ago 3
just adding comments kenerggggggg
pornfartin 4 years ago
most of us believe the myths the media tells us too...one sided crap...as bush isnt the hero fox prtrays him as he isn't the villian msnbc paints him either...
battim 4 years ago
I've been making it up to the indians down at the local casino for years!
Putting back on my rose color glasses :)
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JoleneSugarbaker 4 years ago
twice on one week...how lucky am i...miss you sugar
battim 4 years ago
What we were taught in school is indeed a myth and an attempt at a Norman Rockwell type of picture.
Gemm73 4 years ago 2
hi gemm, just spamming a little.
pornfartin 4 years ago
you been smoking with girlganja?
battim 4 years ago