No it is not a first!! The first time a wide cab appeared on this side of the Hudson was on Dec. 5th, 2001, when the Canadian Pacific Christmas Holiday Train visited the area, in an honor to those who died on 9/11, which sported a CP AC4400CW #8642. Two photos exist showing this, and you will get the email with them!!
this is the first time a widecab has been in the LEAD, and also the first time one ran ONLINE south of CP58. The CP Holiday Train it was isolated, ie: off line.
Sorry, not so!! There is at least one photo showing the CP widecab RUNNING and in the LEAD on the Holiday Train, and as I understood it, the photo was somewhere south of Tarrytown
I won't go into it here, publicly but the CP engine WAS NOT ONLINE. The 5698 lead the entire way. If you believe i am wrong, please show me evidence to the contrary. I have it on VHS going by Scarborough and the 8638 was damn near silent as it was second out behind the 5698....
The only photo I know of with it "in the lead" was posed at Fresh Pond.
Well, what about the Hell Gate shot?? And hey, no hard feelings man, we keep it friendly here!!! But in response to evidence, if you have evidence it was dead in tow instead of powered up in the lead, do come forth as well. :-)
I wish I could but I only have the VHS (somewhere in my collection) and no means to make it digital (at least not yet)....
And as for shot(s) on hell gate, lets remember our qualifications - the D&H must run around their train in Oak Point - so if the 8638 was leading over the top of the world that in definition means it was trailing on the link and subsequently the Hudson.
While the widecabs are more comfortable, NOTHING sounds as great as the Sd40-2's on The Hudson Line. Like in dynamics, or notched out at places like Irvington....
At least CSXT picked a decent widecab model to introduce to the line....
Under CSX definition, trains designated with L or S prefixes are designated as extra runs. Anything other than a scheduled Q, K, U, E, G, N, W, T, V or Z (foreign liine trains) IS an extra, and you just said it!! (quote your words) "a section of a train called on a day on which the regular symbol doesn't work"...a train that operates on a day when a regularly scheduled train does not run IS an extra train!!! It is not apart of the regular schedule, so it is an EXTRA!!
Excerpt from Metro-North's definition of an extra train, and it is basically the same as you said, just worded differently
"A train not designated by timetable schedule or bulletin order", so if a train runs the same schedule as Q-409, but on a day in which it is not scheduled to run, it is an extra because it may use the same schedule as Q-409, but it is not listed in the schedule as a regular run, hence making it an EXTRA, and in CSX case, the extras get typically the L or S designations.
CSX scheduled and listed regaular train symbols are Q, K, U, E, G, N, W, T, V or Z prefixes (Q-409, K-682, U-306, E-473, N-310, etc, scheduled road freights, or C, B or Y for yard switchers/locals/transfer turns (i.e. Y-101, Y-102, the Oak Point tranfers to/from Fresh Pond, respectively, B-747, B-748 the Cedar Hill based locals, C-777, North Bergen based local works the Northern Branch, formerly Conrail NB51, or
"Five-One", C-711, C-712, Kingston Yard River Sub locals)
Just because you work for the subway doesn't mean you know what youre talking about. I wont tell you shit about how your trains run, don't mouth off about mine.
Who are you??? And what do you know of me and what I know?? First off, MNRR means Metro-North RAILROAD, not subway, for which I have worked for the past 5 years and I have served 5 1/2 years with NYCT,(= 10 1/2+ years rail time!!) and I have been known for my knowledge, which probably far exceeds yours!! Keep this friendly, ok, don't make this nasty!! ENLIGHTEN US WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!! Probably can't!! Because you have none!!
Not for nothing, I wouldn't mind seeing the wide cabs here, especially the GEVOs, which I would love to catch at Harmon or anywhere while working or out on the Hudson. I am surprised it took this long for them to finally haul main line freights on the EOH. I have seen on more than a few occassions big time manifest consists, especially Q430/431, looking mighty underpowered with just 2 SDs. Now, bring the GEVOs!!
No it is not a first!! The first time a wide cab appeared on this side of the Hudson was on Dec. 5th, 2001, when the Canadian Pacific Christmas Holiday Train visited the area, in an honor to those who died on 9/11, which sported a CP AC4400CW #8642. Two photos exist showing this, and you will get the email with them!!
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
this is the first time a widecab has been in the LEAD, and also the first time one ran ONLINE south of CP58. The CP Holiday Train it was isolated, ie: off line.
nhlives 2 years ago
Sorry, not so!! There is at least one photo showing the CP widecab RUNNING and in the LEAD on the Holiday Train, and as I understood it, the photo was somewhere south of Tarrytown
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
I won't go into it here, publicly but the CP engine WAS NOT ONLINE. The 5698 lead the entire way. If you believe i am wrong, please show me evidence to the contrary. I have it on VHS going by Scarborough and the 8638 was damn near silent as it was second out behind the 5698....
The only photo I know of with it "in the lead" was posed at Fresh Pond.
nhlives 2 years ago
Well, what about the Hell Gate shot?? And hey, no hard feelings man, we keep it friendly here!!! But in response to evidence, if you have evidence it was dead in tow instead of powered up in the lead, do come forth as well. :-)
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
I wish I could but I only have the VHS (somewhere in my collection) and no means to make it digital (at least not yet)....
And as for shot(s) on hell gate, lets remember our qualifications - the D&H must run around their train in Oak Point - so if the 8638 was leading over the top of the world that in definition means it was trailing on the link and subsequently the Hudson.
nhlives 2 years ago
The CP 8638 isn't in the timetable or bulletin, and therefore, cmon MNConductor - think about the rules...
t31t24 2 years ago
While the widecabs are more comfortable, NOTHING sounds as great as the Sd40-2's on The Hudson Line. Like in dynamics, or notched out at places like Irvington....
At least CSXT picked a decent widecab model to introduce to the line....
yonkersrails 2 years ago
Yeah that's cool.
SD40-2's will always be around though. There's tons of them in service all across the land.
GP9railfan 2 years ago
so sd60m's are leading locals?
Tjsingle14 2 years ago
L431 is not a local, it is a mainline freight out of Selkirk to Oak Point, runs much like its daily regular of the same number, Q431.
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
It is an extra freight
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
L431 is not an extra of any type. Simple a section of a train called on a day on which the regular symbol doesn't work.
nhlives 2 years ago
Under CSX definition, trains designated with L or S prefixes are designated as extra runs. Anything other than a scheduled Q, K, U, E, G, N, W, T, V or Z (foreign liine trains) IS an extra, and you just said it!! (quote your words) "a section of a train called on a day on which the regular symbol doesn't work"...a train that operates on a day when a regularly scheduled train does not run IS an extra train!!! It is not apart of the regular schedule, so it is an EXTRA!!
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
Excerpt from Metro-North's definition of an extra train, and it is basically the same as you said, just worded differently
"A train not designated by timetable schedule or bulletin order", so if a train runs the same schedule as Q-409, but on a day in which it is not scheduled to run, it is an extra because it may use the same schedule as Q-409, but it is not listed in the schedule as a regular run, hence making it an EXTRA, and in CSX case, the extras get typically the L or S designations.
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
CSX scheduled and listed regaular train symbols are Q, K, U, E, G, N, W, T, V or Z prefixes (Q-409, K-682, U-306, E-473, N-310, etc, scheduled road freights, or C, B or Y for yard switchers/locals/transfer turns (i.e. Y-101, Y-102, the Oak Point tranfers to/from Fresh Pond, respectively, B-747, B-748 the Cedar Hill based locals, C-777, North Bergen based local works the Northern Branch, formerly Conrail NB51, or
"Five-One", C-711, C-712, Kingston Yard River Sub locals)
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
Just because you work for the subway doesn't mean you know what youre talking about. I wont tell you shit about how your trains run, don't mouth off about mine.
t31t24 2 years ago
Who are you??? And what do you know of me and what I know?? First off, MNRR means Metro-North RAILROAD, not subway, for which I have worked for the past 5 years and I have served 5 1/2 years with NYCT,(= 10 1/2+ years rail time!!) and I have been known for my knowledge, which probably far exceeds yours!! Keep this friendly, ok, don't make this nasty!! ENLIGHTEN US WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!! Probably can't!! Because you have none!!
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago
IT BEGINS!!!
dumbbuff 2 years ago 2
Not for nothing, I wouldn't mind seeing the wide cabs here, especially the GEVOs, which I would love to catch at Harmon or anywhere while working or out on the Hudson. I am surprised it took this long for them to finally haul main line freights on the EOH. I have seen on more than a few occassions big time manifest consists, especially Q430/431, looking mighty underpowered with just 2 SDs. Now, bring the GEVOs!!
MNRRConductor2006 2 years ago