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  • the large UFO had some kind if indent on it.. could that be the the entrance/exit for the smaller UFOs to go through? I assume the large UFO was some kind of "mother ship"

  • Aliens do exists. I don't know how people just can't accept the fact of their existence despite thousands of evidence.

  • Who says it is a ship it can be some sort of life forms that live in space. Kinda like the ocean but were they can just move threw space. Anyone think that's possible ???

    Or what I'm trying to say Who says life has to be on a planet can it exist in space in some sort of way ????

    Butt then again our rules of life only apply to our planet who knows there might be some sort of life that dosent need water or oxygen to live any thoughts I'd like to know Wat u people might think ????

  • No guys these are NOT UFO's. It's nice to think they might be, but, they just aren't. Better luck next time.

  • did he say zero point energy he knows where to get some zpm's  'star gate'

  • these stuffs looks like Sperms

  • That was an Organism like primitive proteins or unicelular organism...amazing but that is not a spaceship aliens.

    sorry me english.

  • I think when that disc passed by... the aliens were probably laughing over a huge failure humans always do lol

  • These discs are very similar to the Baltic crashed UFO. What do y'all reckon?

  • swap gas

    

  • it looks like they're having a party lol!

  • rense.com/general/stsd.htm

    This explains it all

  • It seems to me that life is vast just because you can not see it with your eyes does not mean it is not there. at this point i think it is wise to keep an open mind. We only see a small spectrum of light other life could be visible and even exist in other part of the light spectrum.

  • Is it possible that these aren't ships but some sort of life forms?

  • @AgnosticProle that is my thinking!! we assume life can not live in space just like we use to think life could not live in hot acid yet we found it and life could never live in boiling Temperature. But we found vents under the sea with lots of diffrent types of life living on them these vents boil the water around them so there very hot. The world was Flat!!! lol it seems to happen over and over what we get told by the so called experts are sometimes wrong.

  • @AgnosticProle thats exactly what they are and we know this .They are similar to a jelly fish /manowar

  • nasa you've lied for too long.

  • some change direction too , debri changing direction , you do what you want with it

    Jack Kasher Phd studied these movies for years he is one of the first to step up as a scientist against nasa and there silly explainations

    youtube.com/watch?v=kgzwPZGeff­A&feature=related

  • Reminds me of blood cells.

  • dam know its clear darth vador is flying to geoneoisis to destroy it dam.... humans chase after him!

  • The mayan's civilization did not predict the end of the world you idiots.. Its the new coming where humans finally learn that we are not the only ones in the universe. With are mass technology world.. this is the time we will finally be able, in history to write and document that we are not really alone. And write it in human history "IN STONE" as you say . That the new world will bring great promise but much upset as our Greatest values fall from many lies. the "light" will shine...

  • @TheGangsta121 1 = you sound like a crazy person, 2 = humans are NOT the only ones in the universe..

  • @TheGangsta121

    The maya did not predict the unveiling of alien existence by technology, all the calanders represent the growth of human consciousness and 2012 is an important time where consciousness will grow rapidly and we reach a crossroads.

    Don't call people idiots btw and then write your assumptions down as fact when they are not. Mayans don't care about disclosure of alien life, life in general is all about evolving conscousness and it starts with you.

  • @colloredbrothers your assumptions are fact then? as if you lived in the maya days. you read books and watch tv and think as if you know the truth.. but all im saying is stop saying its the end. In my opinion a calendar cant go on forever anyways. maybe they where in progress of there seconded calendar,who knows? not me not you.. But for life on other planets.. the thing you pray to is a spiritual bean more advanced and evolved then you are.. who says it cant come from another galaxy?..

  • @colloredbrothers And also """the growth of human consciousness""" yeah im sure...do you see anywhere on there calender it says that .. did you have there manual? NO. nobody knows. so your assumptions are just as fake as mine.I believe a spiritual bean created us on this planet using there DNA and Monkey DNA to create a highbrid and influence us with some morals and rules by using the bible. they watch there creation grow(Spirit and mind) while helping in our prayers..sounds good to me.. :)

  • @TheGangsta121

    You moron thats not an assumption thats what the mayans believe.

  • @colloredbrothers

    yea cause you read it in a book or watched that info on tv.then your like Oh thats what it is!!. No,no one really knows what they believed.. but yes that could have been a big part of what they believed but to really know you would have to be there in that time frame, evan the scientists of today where not there to really know 100% of the facts.. your not a maya philosopher.. so shut your fing trap..

  • @TheGangsta121

    There are still mayans which are alive.

  • @colloredbrothers Yea that is true.. but when the great disaster wiped them out only a few where alive .. There "blood line still exists" but So much of there history was lost.. the ones who where left, couldn't write all and tell all, the ones that survived did not know everything and could not carry everything that there great civilization learned..so much was lost.that's why the maya civilization is nothing but an ancient civilization today ..great people with great advancement

  • @TheGangsta121

    The great disaster was the european invasion and ofcourse the surviving mayans didn't contain all of their history but they can give us insight into the most important things such as the calander and the end date and what it signified.

  • I bet you there are many human races living in our galaxy!

  • It's impossible for our solar system and us not to be visited by space craft from other planets. We live in our galaxy with many other intelligent civilizations who already know how to space travel. And we don't! I bet you vehicles from other planets are coming into our solar system all the time!

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  • every 1 beleve it its real iv seen 1 in uk its a football shap

  • David Sereda is a pseudo-scientist... his 2 miles wide ufo's is just hilarious

  • @sebastiansz It's not really that funny ? It's a theory, not a fact.

  • @ILOVEGRIME7 sorry, but I don't know what you mean by saying "funny" and what is a theory, what is a fact? please expand, thanks

  • is it possible that these "round" objects can be lifeforms rather than space craft? i definitely think so!

  • is this actually real??? i hope so

  • is this real

  • there is life in space, that's all

  • LOOK LIKE JELLYFISH UNDERWATER TO ME LOL

  • hmmmm kinda looks like biological movement under a microscope.

  • THEY ARE COMING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @kiwibrittie the cameras are outside,stupid

  • I bet there all robots.. I bet an alien race found us with there millions of probes scattered through the galaxy, And they are watching us out of curiosity, observing our world. It makes sense to not yet disclosed them selfs. Perhaps this is recent, yes it must be. In time my brothers and sisters in time..

  • So it's clear space. Something breaks and they exspect there not to be any kind of debris floating about?? LMFAO.

    The pulsing is an effect caused by auto focus and exsposure. the camera it focused on the tether, the so anything close to the camera by comparison would drift in and out of focus creating the pulse, whereby the tether is already in focus so the subtle changes aren't noticable.

  • @187781jason Yeah it just so happen that space debris can look the same with a small hole in the center and a small cut off in the cirlce

  • @TimmyTimmyS

    The fact that they all look the same only proves more to me that they are small out of focus bits of junk or ice. If they were all different shapes then I would be intrigued. But when you look for the control which is the camera itself you have to see that it's the camera making them ALL look like disc's that just happen to be flat to the camera (EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!!!) with holes in them, you have got to ignore their shape and pulsing and just focus on what we do know ICE!!!

  • @187781jason your right. The astronauts themselves after the mission reported problems with the focus of the payload bay camera C, which filmed this event (not like many people say UV or TOP camera), thats why the tether itself is also out of focus. The "ufos" are debris close to the camera, taking the shape of the lens (hole inside, it's Vidicon tube cam), the notches in the "UFO's" are the camera 3 ring snaps.They pulsate because some debris are tumbling, still taking the shape of the lens.

  • @sebastiansz So why is NASA/GOVT nixing the videos of the mission? Why do that, if ALL these things are just space debree? Seems to me that NASA could help "Educate" the public by going through some the more noted clips and explain how these can be kust the lens and debree play. I know the government is always fudging things up or making matters worse. But, jeesh, this behaviour is why there are UFO hobbyists, and it make big flap. A little honesty goes a long why.

  • @BarJabba NASA is fixing videos? Educate? UFO enthusiast won't accept anything official from NASA, because for them NASA lies...(many UFO films made people think and say things like that unfortunately) + people just want them to be ET's spaceships period. Even if they will make an official report explaining those objects, the "tether incident" fans will straight away say before even reading it "let's check their lies".

    The only satisfactory story for them will be "yes, these are ET's, we lied"

  • @sebastiansz cough bullshit cough...the tether is in front of the ufos...u can clearly see them go behind the tether...nice try though.

  • @sebastiansz I Like your thinking and yes there is a blur on the camera but if you take a close look 1:05 to 1:06 i can clearly see that the UFO is behind the tether not close to the camera given the blur i would still say if it is where i think it is and blurred it would still be at least a mile across and any debri up there that big i wouldnt want to fall out of orbit and hit my town.

  • @UFOyourVUE Its just an optical illusion that is passes behind it. TBH I think that the bigger "ufos" are the debris that are the closest to the camera. They are extremely out of focus, semi-transparent (thats why they look like they are passing behind the reflective tether). If you know a little bit about photography "bokeh" effect... it is blurred and transparent. Sereda only talks about the 12 mile long tether and 2 miles wide UFOs. Why not tell that the tether is JUST 2.54mm thick?

  • @sebastiansz yes i agree with the fact that the tether is only a few feet across and blured. i'm not sure what to think about it, but your explantions stand for me, if there so abundent out there then why are they not in every space project. i do feel that there must be life out there some where tho, i dont think i will stop looking yet. i also know most sighting are just fakers and its getting very hard to tell the diffrence from fact and fiction. any thank you for you reply :)

  • @sebastiansz Of course, that is feasible. But what about the size... The disk is clearly moving behind the tether, and so would by proportion would be around 2-3 miles in diameter, at least! How do you explain that?

  • @skeamz89 the tether and the debris/"UFOs" are highly illuminated by the sun. The out of focus ice debris fly quite close in front of the camera, taking the shape of the lens. The "flying behind the tether UFOs" are seen when the camera is zoomed on the tether making the debris even more bigger, washed out, semi-transprent, thus they look like they are behind the highly illuminated tether. watch?v=D49EA7NlQHU My question to u, why all "2 miles wide UFOs" are turned flat towards the camera? BOKEH

  • @kiwibrittie that doesn't make ANY sense. the tether was 12 miles long. besides those cameras are mounted outside, the astronauts don't have little hand held cameras they film with through the glass. don't be Thick* no pun intended.

  • @kiwibrittie pulsating debris in between 3 glasses? wouldn't they notice it before?

  • you two are retards

  • it could be anything we want it to be.

  • @quadzzerr256 Its Michel Jackson.. Ima go wast 3 months of my life writing a article. Seeya

  • @MultiIPwnage waste

  • @kiwibrittie Yeah that'S good but explain how the camera cough more details while outside the shuttle?

  • Can someone plz explain how he deduced gravity waves stronger than light and a spacecraft powered by advanced forms of gravity energy and zero point energy from a pulsating disk?

  • @2455933045 Yeah, mathematics

  • Space jelly fish looking for food

  • @stevemonkey78 lol Gradius,R-Type or Darius?

  • its all bullshit NOTHING can go faster than light so how did they get here, all ufos ghosts bigfoot and all the rest are all crap

  • @tony671 so you dont beleive something else lives out there and that in all the infinity of space we are all alone and nothing else can exist?

  • @arky3000 never said that!! yeah there will be life out there but they cant break the laws of physics so how would they get here??

  • @tony671 remember that onc the world was always flat and the sun revolved around the earth, just because we cannot contemplate what seems impossible doesnt mean that another species hasnt already done it.... tho saying that they probably would of found us and popped in to say hello or took over anyways lol

  • @arky3000 That's funny because the Job, one of the writers in the bible has told us 2800 years ago that the world wasn't flat and that the earth hover around the sun. You people and your science is the ultimate fail when it comes to bible facts.

  • @tony671 A magnet can break the laws of physics.

  • @arky3000 Yeah I think who ever thinks that is obviously hiding something in their lives and fear the un expected. God did not create all of these things for nothing. If he explained everything in the bible then no man would ever finish the book.

  • @tony671 this is just current closed minded theory. there is evidence of faster than light. google

  • @edmondov There i nothing faster then light unless you calculate the complexity of the human naked eye visualization, then one might argue that your eyes can see a bit faster then light can shine.

  • @tony671 Then surely you're crap too, how did you get here ask yourself that one lol

  • @HuntersX2NCreations how did i get here?? there was this man called darwin who expland how all life on the plant is here! perhaps you have heard of him? then my mum and dad had sex and what do u know 9 month a baby .all i know is it had nothing to do with "god" your a christian and beleve in things without PROOF its all faith(no proof) with u people i refuse to let any god run my life! u prob think the earth is 4000 yr old,  the bilbe is a lot of legands its sad it starts so much war n hate

  • A tether breaks in space, and next you can see a load of out of focus junk floating around. What a mystery! It must be aliens! There can be no other possible explanation!

  • @kiwibrittie at 2:44 the disk passes clearly behind the tether

  • Lots of junk floating around out there.

  • I went on a walk at night and took a random picture of the night's sky and caught one of these discs, exactly identical. Even had the smaller circle on the edge. It was with a 5megapixal digital camera.

  • wow this video is... ahem... interesting. if there were hundreds of 2-3 mile diameter objects in orbit it would be visible from ground, the international space station is approximately 160 yards long and can be viewed from the ground with the naked eye, according to this video that object is at LEAST 22 times bigger than the international space station BUT... no one on ground can see it... my wager, it is space debris that is just close to the camera and this video is a waste of time

  • thats fucken crazy the only aliens id like to meet r vulcans

  • @DJNN123 Live long and prosper, Earthling.

  • @mandolinic lol thx

  • that many metal circles of that size or any size all move near it and around it and making those pulsing lights

    maybe there is an explanation for this but it seems pretty far fetched

    nasa no longer does live feeds and have lied before again and again

    red planet with no water

    it is sand coloured and have frozen poles which can be seen by mid power telescopes there were better descriptions from the late 1800's of mars.

    using telescopes of that era. and farther back.

    nasa = byes bull

  • why is there never hd footage of ufos

  • The "strobing spacecraft" was a spining piece of metal reflecting sunlight into the camera, why is that so hard to figure out? It's just a wrench that got away from an astronaut. SInce there's no fluid resistance in space the wrench would continue to rotate at the same rate indeffinately, giving a strobe-light effect.

  • @nblax41 Mk, like there is metal pieces in space that are 3 miles wide? OKAAAY THEN

  • @etniesannex05 You know the shot at 0:51 isn't the tether right? All these calculations comparing the size of the "UFO" to it are completely wrong. Besides. my comment was about the object at 2:53

  • aside from the fact that those videos look soooo fake, when something breaks in space debris flies everywhere so why wouldnt it be debris. im all for aliens but this is the kind of crap that just makes more ppl not believe in aliens

  • @kiwibrittie the world would be very different if everyone just accepted the world was flat...private institutions should be setting up their own satellites and actively trying to find out whats up there rather than believe simple not very thought out dismissals like your explanation...

  • @kiwibrittie windows of this fashion would be vaccuum sealed...meaning there would be nothinginbetween the panes of glass to cause this ...also the objects clearly pass behind the glowing rod...due to poor resoultions this video has only promising evidence, definetly not conclusive from this video...it at least should spark interest though rather than being shot down so easily...the world was obviously flat to so many people for so long..imagine if no one questioned that..cont'd

  • This is some of the best stuff out there.

  • The picture of the Tether is a case of mistaken identity. The object is really a strap from the Tether that broke off when the Tether broke and it floated close to the space craft within 3 or 4 feet away and the rest is just the normal junk from urin dumps made from their Space Craft. No Aliens just looking at the wrong object the Tether has a big round satilight at the top. A UFO 2 miles big in space in low orbit would be seen from Earth by lots of people . The NASA crew screwed up

  • hate to break you confused hearts guys but this are not aliens in spaceships i mean UFOs,

    they are all souls,'' spirits'' the conscious energy form, ascended from the planet and the physical body. perhaps after death stage, what we refer to as heaven in the bible, the infinite realm. evidence its clear..

  • @sominawomu lol are you high?

  • dont waste your life watching this crap....

  • @misekmoj vote up!

  • Space Junk 

  • But if you take the time to read up on anti-gravity and the scientists who have attempted to produce the effects here on earth, then you can understand why the disk appears to pulsate and why it would appear to be a lot more than just space debris.

    After all, if our own planet and others out there are capable of generating gravity and we understand why, then surely we can create machines or craft that simply work in reverse to cancel out the gravitational pull? :)

  • We as members of the public, often only see what our government/military bodies decide to release to the public after been thoroughly vetted and roughly 90% of the original text completely removed from the reports making it illegible and useless to anyone that would wish to go back and look over the reports, and even then that's only if they decide to release them at all.

    The Freedom of Information Act doesn't seem to have any grounds when dealing with issues like this.

  • with the size of the universe and the amount of galaxies a very much doubt we are the only planet with life and that we are the smartest

  • They look like space bugs. And how does he know its 3 mile wide?

  • Most people need to rationalize things they see with things they know..

    Think about this for a second. We don't really know what kind of marine life is at the bottom of the ocean. We know about some of it, since it is accessible to some people. Space is so new to us. How could we possibly know what kind of life is out there. Perhaps there are all types of different life forms orbiting our plant. From tiny microscopic bits to large amoeba like blobs.. who knows? not me and not you.

  • @2:31 guy completely TANKS with regard to his credibility. To me this is *insert sciencey sounding words*

  • I think a lot of what everyone saw in these vids is space junk, but...but i think some of the things you see are UFO's. How can you explain something that plusates like a fucking heart beat. I'm sorry that's not space junk.

  • its not a UFo, its PAC MAN. ^^

  • @kiwibrittie the outboard cameras also get the same footage genius

  • @kiwibrittie So why do the OUTBOARD cameras get similar footage??

    HHMM??

  • They're so dramatic and silly. Why don't the aliens ever get out of the "UFOs" recorded?lol

    Ridiculous.

    I'd stop live broadcasts too if people are going to blow every flying thing, in the background, out of proportion.

    There's more alien life forms under the sea (in the oceans etc). Geeze.

  • the ufo near the long line thing are an illusion it was the way they recorded the camera lens (or something like that) looks exactly like the ufos the reason is if it become out of focus is make it appear the same way as the camera it was actually some ice particals. the rest i have no comment for i dont know.

  • Pond water under a microscope

  • dude you kinda make me thing your right, and I kinda agree with you, BUT I always keep an open mind.

  • @soefinwhat56 hehe I giggled

  • its is space junk it's a fact get a life. people who make videos like this put shame to the human mind. like i think that space junk was a monkey that got lost on its way to the banana tree or maby its ufo looking at our shiny metal cord?

  • ok without being to critical. there are a couple of facts you need to consider. That test took place in earth orbit, and in earth orbit there is space debris from man made spacecraft, like satellites and rocket stages and dont allways break up completely which can and do look uniform cause they are man made. and no, space junk is not every where, but around earth in low orbit alone more than 600,000 objects and thats an old figure.

  • and one last thing they said the cord turned into a fluorescent light which made the objects around it shine, which on camera makes the objects look like shiny discs, even the astronauts said there is debris in the area and said nothing about shiny flying discs.

  • @deadmeatman well of course aliens are more interesting than space junk...

  • so i give you new material and no reply im disappointed in you.

  • Don't forget UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object not Alien Spacecraft.

  • @eduncho lolcano

  • @eduncho Yeah but it usually involves Alien (meaning intelligent life other then human) Spacecraft

  • @eduncho thats what i always say too........

  • its pacman

  • there's billions of pieces of space junk floating about

  • What? They are not "giant disks" as the guy here claims, they are out of focus ice particles or other debris involved with the shuttle mission. I've used many telescopes, film and digital cameras and I see this out of focus effect all the time.

  • It's just a weather balloon filled with swamp gas, reflecting off Venus during a migration of wild geese.

  • WoW V0T3CHUCKN0RR15 so wat u r saying u cant get around in space without usin jets???? well then how do u think the earth moves around the sun RETARD.. so u sayin theres a Giant volcanoe shooting "JETS" no obviously and eleszar1one more thing stop getting things of movies "war of the worlds" if they wanted this planet we would be dead long ago the obvious fact is they are as much fascinate with us as we are with them, and we cant use our modern day laws, our laws to them would be primitive.

  • what the "F" are you talking about Super Retard ! ????

  • omg i luv paranormal tv! :D I watched all 4 UFO Videos on demand and they all looked kinda real

  • No ! Swamp gas !

  • well if there were UFO's and they did look like the ones in the first video they wouldn't be too stealthy now would they? they reflect the light of that cord so well, could you imaging how easily spotted they would be if they reflected the sun like that? also this kind of technology, doesn't make sense, if you wanted to turn in space you cannot use friction/gravity/air resistanse to your advantage, only way to get around is with jets... they use fuel, and that would run out fast.

  • omg you are so fucking wrong why to use jets when their tehcnology is beyond ours do you believe that we are alone in the whole dam universe? we live in a sigle one solar system do u know how many solar systems one galaxy has? 200 bilions solar systems do you know how many galaxys we have seen with the telescope? around 124 bilion galaxys so the chance of being alone in the universe is 0 and internet never lie juts like this video why to lie to you? just to be an asholes? gues no

  • its not the whole "our technology cannot do it" its the "phisics denies the abillity fo this kind of travel, without exoust u cant push off of anything, so you cannot change course, so the only way a UFO can move through space without giving off huge amounts of glowing exhaust would be like this, reliese some sort of gass, use propellers to push off the gas., that is completely impractical. the other method of moving without spending solids would be shooting light, and that would be impractical

  • I've got to sort of agree with V...ChuckNorr. He's talking about known facts and known laws. When we are dealing with something unknown we shouldn't just guess and try and make what we want fit what we see. By saying things like "Aliens have vastly superior technology" and "The universe is infinite and therefore..." we take away the need to have evidence. The evidence we see here does little more than prove to us that there is a hell of a lot of space debris that reflect light.

  • Just like people dealt in the past with the unknown and created religion to put some meaning of life and a little cash on the side :)

  • even if they is aliens who says they have the tech to fly here

  • why they will ask you ? they go to every place they want

  • because maybe they are more advanced because they A didn't have evelution on land reset by a comet B didn't waste time with nonsensicle religion C were closer to the center of the univers so they're star and planet were formed before ours D had a harsher enviroment to addapt to, thus making them addapt FASTER into a SMARTER sentient then us... i could go on but i won't

  • A how would they find our planet so easily B who would want to visit our plannet C zepplin rules

  • amen brother

  • How much you want to bet if aliens are watching us there probably just standing there saying.

    "So should we go down there today...."

    "Hell no I love messing with them, let's go fly by China now."

  • This is the most believeable piece of UFO footage in my opinion, I don't believe Alien life would approach our planet

  • Aliens did came to our planet friend but they cant survive because they are not made to live on earth they could die from the simplest Desease, u got me? thats why they visit earth and then leaving they search the right place for them to live maybe they dont even need a planet to live if their tehcnology is much beyond ours they just live in their spacecrafts you understand?

  • Its inconclusive at best. A round spinning object could produce a very similar effect, but that does not mean it is simply space junk. That thing is either really bright, or really big, and somehow i have to assume that if there are alien vistors around our planet, then nasa has some far more compelling video of it. . .

  • they probbably have but they wont prrobbably show it but i once saw a vid of a disk shaped ufo flying and then it went gone in a second and made a large bang when it went off and they researched it if its possiblefor such a shaped object could make such a bang and it could :/ so probbably they know alot of ufos but just dont tell us :/

  • um does space have sand no but the ocen does faker

  • tiny objects blur and grow larger when out of focus. Space junk 'pulsates' by simple spinning. Dear lord... these people are so gullible.

  • searching for it. These scams are made only to profit from it somehow. I believe that the nature made a certain security lock so no race could spread over the universe. It's like on our own planet. The same laws of evolution and so on... So every alien life form dies out once it reaches certain level of development. The laws of nature are the same throut the galaxy as here on earth. Don't listen to creeps like Steve Hopkins and so on. They only have vivid imagination.

  • These so called EXPERTS always use words like quantum physics and so on. I don't believe that real experts i some stuff look as good as he does. He is most probably an actor... It's all bullshit. It's like the ArmyGuy said that you waste of TIME and LIFE ENERGY looking for something you will never find. When I was 15 it was very thrilling but now at 31 I just smile at stuff like this. It interests me but I realized that I will never get the proof in my life and it's a waste of time...

  • @misekmoj

    I think they would be smart enough to get a not so "actor looking guy" for the video.

    So the fact that he looks very 90210-ish helps the credibility of the clip. :P.

    You understand what I mean??

    Or they anticipated this thought too :P reverse psychology or something.

  • that was fake, it was a glow stick in the deep regions of the ocean and they were jellyfish swimming by

  • jelly fish are much slower and move with different movement.

  • there is no proven evidence of aliens or alien space craft with living organisms in them. So as far as Im concerned there is no such thing until I personally see it with my own eyes and I think all of you have no lives searching for something you will never get a hold of.