if Shu lost Jing in the beginning, there will never be the Shu empire, Wu is so keen to get Jing because it is the center point of the three kingdom...If Wu could get Jing, means they will actually surrounded Liu Bei's territory. at that timre, Liu's army is still a very small group. but they missed Jing as Guan Yu is too eager to attack Fan Cheng.. if only Guan Yu defend Jing, nothoing will happened, also, Shu and Wu was allies at that time, Lu Meng make a sneak attack on Jing, such a shame!!
The second is when the food supply officer , Gou An, was caught against the army rule by delayed the supply by 10 days because of drunk.. Zhu insist to kill him, but just punished him by hitting 50 paces when the Shu officer plead to Zhu. Which lead Gou An betrayed Shu, and help Wei to spread rumor in Shu that Zhu is actually planning to betray Shu, thus, lead the emperor, Liu Shan, to ask Zhu to go back to ChengDu, by that time, Zhu has conquered Zhi Shan and is potientially threarened Wei.
But then Ma Su thought he was brilliant enough to set the army camp up on the hill, instead, before the expenditure, Zhu ask him to set the camp in front of the valley entrance ( flat ground) which lead to defeat.... then after that, the main general, including Zhao Yun, Zhang Bao and Guan Xing were dead because of illness one by one, which weaken the Shu army power.
Shu actually can fight with Wei at the beginning as Shu has gain some army power at the beginning, also Zhu Ge Liang is a very expert tactician, but he failed due to the "yi" or the righteous behaviour, for example: when he asked for help to defend Jie Ting,nobody volunteer except Ma Su. Thus, he send Ma Su for the mission and failed, as Ma Su "Guarantee" that he will win by setting a dead contract with Zhu.
story is story lar......... The Romance of the three kingdom by LuoGuoZhong is only a fiction story...... it is not historical fact but story according to Three Kingdom era.....
i like this song, it is the theme song for Han Wu Da Di (汉武大帝) and the lead actor is coincidentally the same guy Tang Guoqiang (唐国强) who played Zhuge Liang in San Guo Yan Yi (三国演义)
Yeah, Zhuge Liang was a brilliant person. I don't think Jiang Wei destroyed Shu, he tried his best but he wasn't as capable as Zhuge Liang... *sigh* he didn't have to commit suicide...
ZHUGE LIANG and JIANG WEI both kept marching north.Zhuge Liang marched 6? I THINK.Jiang Wei marched 9 TIMES!DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH RESOURCES WAS USED IN EACH OF THESE MARCHES?
WHEN OTHERS OBJECTED,THEY STILL INSISTED AND USED "THIS IS THE WILL OF THE LATE EMPEROR" AS REASON
Yeah... the marching was tough, and I do agree that Zhuge Liang was hasty in his decisions. But then again, the whole REASON why he went to serve Liu Bei in the first place was to restore the Han dynasty... whether they marched now or 20 years later, Wei would most likely still be stronger than Shu, so I guess Zhuge Liang decided to go do it now while he was still alive...
Oh, I didn't see that part of your sentence... no, Zhuge Liang definately didn't destroy Shu. Neither did Jiang Wei. Look at Wei and Shu, Wei had so many talented people, but Shu's people were dying one after the other. Right after Zhuge Liang died, Shu was doomed, he was the only person who kept it in order. Jiang Wei did his best but obviously he's a failure. And after they both died, the idiot Liu Shan immediately surrendered to Wei.
You were wrong. Wei Yang's plan has high risk going with it, the problem is not Zhuge Liang not intellengence enough to understand Wei Yang's plan, it was just too risky and since among all the kingdoms, Shu was the weakest, and once the plan failed, Shu will be very hard to recover, since Shu pop only 1/3 of Wei, if it lost huge number of soldiers, it will be hard for Zhuge Liang to replenish the lost. Wei Yang only think the result of a mission, but Zhuge has to consider the whole kingdom.
There's no clear indications of right or wrong here. When discussing history, all we could do is assume "could have, would have, should have." Again, there is no doubt that Wei Yan's plans had its risks. However, Zhuge Liang's decision on refusing to execute the plan was made with his biased first impression of Wei Yan.
We can see how intelligence politically was Wei Yang in after Zhuge died, Yang Yi (which was not a very high intelligence scholar) could accuse him for rebelling, even Yang Yi, he also could not politically defeat, a kingdom under WY's would be a disaster. And if you don't dare to risk, it is very hard to win a war. But you must understand a war is not a game, you only have one chance, if you made wrong decision, there is no chance for you to load and play again. Pls respect Zhuge's decision.
Please also take into consideration that Zhuge Liang has dislike Wei Yan since their first encounter, so there has been a clear personal conflict going on. Zhuge Liang is undoubtedly one of the most intelligent strategists in Chinese history, but he is not perfect. His failure to recognizing talent in people made him merely a great strategist, not a leader.
don't use "Romance of Three Kingdoms" novel to get information abt Zhuge dislike Wei Yang. There is no history record saying Zhuge dislike WY. You talked abt "could have, would have, and should have, you can only do that when you already know the result of someone did something. But when you were in the situation, who knows your decision even worst.
dehuaz 2 months ago
我在想啊，尽管这个歌似乎不是完整的，画质可能有些不尽人意，但是为什么会有人点dislike?
Jingheng100 2 months ago
拜託...真要說戰爭販子也輪不到諸葛先生好嗎?你小學有沒有畢業阿?
MOMOKOJUNE 3 months ago
还真有那种信口开河的小儿啊...没读过几天历史书还敢吟吟狂吠...
sephiard 3 months ago
羽扇綸巾一身潔白，鞠躬盡瘁，死而後已乃諸葛武侯也，乃後人不可比擬也！
qqazwsxcvbnm991 3 months ago
谋事在人，成事在天
tureforest 9 months ago
西晋是所有大一统王朝中最无能的，没有之一。从立国到亡国从未给过百姓平安，从未给过国家尊严，它带来的是五胡乱华和数百年动荡。只因为精华英雄都在三国喷涌殆尽，才有时无英雄，使竖子成名的感叹。
hehaozhi 10 months ago 3
战争贩子。。。六出祁山，都拜着逃回来，弄得蜀国经济崩溃，人民面如菜色；他知道他不可能打败魏国，为了稳固他的宝座，他不惜牺牲数万百姓的生命，历史啊。。。
zhoubinsg 1 year ago
@zhoubinsg 出山之前孔明当然明白胜多负少，可是很多时候信仰就是这种力量，明知道可能失败，但是一定要做，如果一切都已概率来定， 世界上就不会有奇迹了。
kendarkfire 10 months ago
@zhoubinsg
无知，你怎么知道蜀国经济崩溃，人民面有菜色? 四川人民现在还在几年诸葛亮。诸葛亮一直是川人的骄傲。
ArthurMolen 8 months ago
@zhoubinsg "蜀国经济崩溃，人民面如菜色" 是发生在诸葛亮及其两后任蒋琬，费禕死后。
史书上说在诸葛亮及蒋琬，费禕当政时期，蜀国的内政在三国中最为廉政，经济上做到“田畴辟，仓稟实，器械利，蓄积饶”。蜀汉百姓在诸葛亮死后还思念他，几十年不曾稍减。
诸葛亮北伐虽没能“收复中原”，但并不是没有所获，更不能说大败。
dehuaz 2 months ago
if Shu lost Jing in the beginning, there will never be the Shu empire, Wu is so keen to get Jing because it is the center point of the three kingdom...If Wu could get Jing, means they will actually surrounded Liu Bei's territory. at that timre, Liu's army is still a very small group. but they missed Jing as Guan Yu is too eager to attack Fan Cheng.. if only Guan Yu defend Jing, nothoing will happened, also, Shu and Wu was allies at that time, Lu Meng make a sneak attack on Jing, such a shame!!
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago
The second is when the food supply officer , Gou An, was caught against the army rule by delayed the supply by 10 days because of drunk.. Zhu insist to kill him, but just punished him by hitting 50 paces when the Shu officer plead to Zhu. Which lead Gou An betrayed Shu, and help Wei to spread rumor in Shu that Zhu is actually planning to betray Shu, thus, lead the emperor, Liu Shan, to ask Zhu to go back to ChengDu, by that time, Zhu has conquered Zhi Shan and is potientially threarened Wei.
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago
But then Ma Su thought he was brilliant enough to set the army camp up on the hill, instead, before the expenditure, Zhu ask him to set the camp in front of the valley entrance ( flat ground) which lead to defeat.... then after that, the main general, including Zhao Yun, Zhang Bao and Guan Xing were dead because of illness one by one, which weaken the Shu army power.
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago
Shu actually can fight with Wei at the beginning as Shu has gain some army power at the beginning, also Zhu Ge Liang is a very expert tactician, but he failed due to the "yi" or the righteous behaviour, for example: when he asked for help to defend Jie Ting,nobody volunteer except Ma Su. Thus, he send Ma Su for the mission and failed, as Ma Su "Guarantee" that he will win by setting a dead contract with Zhu.
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago
Also, according to wikipedia, there is quite some facts differences between the historical three kingdom and Luo's Romance of three kingdom...
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago
story is story lar......... The Romance of the three kingdom by LuoGuoZhong is only a fiction story...... it is not historical fact but story according to Three Kingdom era.....
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago
還在談子午谷?這在各歷史論壇和軍事早被談到爛了根本不可行，子午谷之謀跟自殺沒兩樣，孔明也沒排斥魏延，相反的非常重用，想翻案請多讀點書，孔明唯一的失敗就是蜀國國力汰弱，曹魏沒出大亂子大戰略上本來就不會是魏的對手，國力相差太遠。
FloatBird 1 year ago
虽然是汉武大帝的歌，但是配在这也蛮好的，赞！
chnzwh 1 year ago
韩磊的歌真是赞死了
话说火熄上方谷真是天命..
SonyWilliam 1 year ago
身未升腾思退步，
功成应忆去时言。
只因先主丁宁后，
星落秋风五丈原。
saamue1 1 year ago
不管策略上如何，
孔明確實是一代偉人~
光能扶起弱小的蜀國，
就已經夠資格讓人景仰。
e10000P4 2 years ago
最近有關孔明的一些看法.
"隴中對"取荊,益以鼎足,何不西取涼卅,隴西而漢中.(荊卅為四戰之地,力不能守)
孔明用私人,缺胸襟.(在此不能詳論)
魏延之計非萬全.但卻是唯一可勝之道.
當時魏(漢朝延)之兵力勝蜀,吳之總和多矣.
dancello 2 years ago
孔明何等人杰?
况且魏严在蜀国后期一直当以众任,若有全然良策,诸葛岂会不深虑之?
蜀国国小势微,诸葛事事躬亲之,远近,彼此,敌我,虚实等诸多岂是魏严等人可以体谅到的.
98764455 2 years ago
@dancello 然，我也一直认为诸葛亮几次北伐 这次是最有希望的。魏延兵出子午谷有战略上的突然性，而且草包夏侯懋根本就不是他的对手。只要取下潼关，关西便唾手可得。诸葛亮对魏延的态度确实有失风度。
lpaquarius 2 years ago
蜀既失荊卅;失土失兵,與魏之力相差太遠.敗勢己不能挽.非奇著不足以言胜.若魏失兩京及隴右而不亂,蜀吳尚不易胜也.
孔明終其一身,獨出一路,空言恢復,難矣.
若早割荊州之半與東吳.則可早調關羽以爭西北.(魏新敗於赤壁,吳北伐於後.)進迫兩京.勝券更強也.
關羽敗亡,后更失漢中.勢不能挽,困守之局已成.復何言.
dancello 2 years ago
@dancello 诸葛亮是有心取西凉的的，出祁山已经占了天水、南安、安定 而街亭一失他就退兵，可见他的本意就是攻取并且守住陇西。而且封马超凉州牧就是想利用马家影响力继续经营以待东图。
lpaquarius 2 years ago
時移勢易;就不同了.
如同下棋,有次序的.
dancello 2 years ago
@dancello 孔明每次都专门出祁山，定凉州，可惜实力差别太大， 后勤问题又解决不了
TheCoolhihi 1 year ago
dancello 1 year ago
@dancello 你说的那个时候，还在跟曹操争夺汉中呐...
TheCoolhihi 1 year ago
@TheCoolhihi 設若吳,蜀以和平手段分荊卅;則關羽可以安,而讓東吳安心北伐.
劉備不至於兵敗而早亡.於取漢中後,自可全師以收隴右諸路.以至由西至東而捲兩京.則兴漢可期.
關羽不明大局.以有限兵力,勉強伐魏;對吳,外交由友变敵.對內,荊卅士民不能歸心.以至....... .無言.
衹恨桃園無小弟,漢家天下終易幟.
dancello 1 year ago
@dancello
東吳安心北伐、別傻了。復興漢室之後，劉備還可以靠個皇叔之名左右朝政，東吳呢？頂多明升暗降、封個大官收回實權而已。
東吳計較的不是小小的荊州，而是局勢不能失衡，威脅到他的地方霸主之位而已。
1231233123123 4 months ago
諸葛丞相
永垂千古!
係最令人尊敬既古人、文臣、丞相!
值得我地學習!
doraemon947 2 years ago 10
圣相典范
zmarshal1 2 years ago
歌詞與諸葛丞相的境遇，很貼合^____^
諸葛丞相
永遠是
令人尊敬的千古典範
kiki010208 2 years ago 8
千年难得，圣相典范。
cw6b2007 2 years ago
汉武帝的背景音乐是豪情
诸葛武侯的背景音乐应该是悲情.
还是谢谢楼主的分享!
chinayuzhong 2 years ago 2
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專制底下的好奴才
sonching 2 years ago
这是汉武大帝呀！？
zmarshal1 2 years ago
。。。。三国你不知？
Redeemed 2 years ago
丞相千古。
bagins1987 3 years ago
丞相千古
NolanVsLove 3 years ago
i like this song, it is the theme song for Han Wu Da Di (汉武大帝) and the lead actor is coincidentally the same guy Tang Guoqiang (唐国强) who played Zhuge Liang in San Guo Yan Yi (三国演义)
y04chs315 3 years ago
汉武大帝不是他演的。。
yellowpower 3 years ago
I really enjoyed this, but I'm sad that it's only half of it? :(
serpentdoness 3 years ago
Don't you think ZHUGE LIANG IS A GREAT MAN?But he and JIANG WEI were the one who destroyed SHU thought
Ganbadesamade 3 years ago
Yeah, Zhuge Liang was a brilliant person. I don't think Jiang Wei destroyed Shu, he tried his best but he wasn't as capable as Zhuge Liang... *sigh* he didn't have to commit suicide...
serpentdoness 3 years ago
ZHUGE LIANG and JIANG WEI both kept marching north.Zhuge Liang marched 6? I THINK.Jiang Wei marched 9 TIMES!DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH RESOURCES WAS USED IN EACH OF THESE MARCHES?
WHEN OTHERS OBJECTED,THEY STILL INSISTED AND USED "THIS IS THE WILL OF THE LATE EMPEROR" AS REASON
Ganbadesamade 3 years ago
Yeah... the marching was tough, and I do agree that Zhuge Liang was hasty in his decisions. But then again, the whole REASON why he went to serve Liu Bei in the first place was to restore the Han dynasty... whether they marched now or 20 years later, Wei would most likely still be stronger than Shu, so I guess Zhuge Liang decided to go do it now while he was still alive...
serpentdoness 3 years ago
please read the comment I posted on SERPENTDONESS(USER)
Ganbadesamade 3 years ago
Oh, I didn't see that part of your sentence... no, Zhuge Liang definately didn't destroy Shu. Neither did Jiang Wei. Look at Wei and Shu, Wei had so many talented people, but Shu's people were dying one after the other. Right after Zhuge Liang died, Shu was doomed, he was the only person who kept it in order. Jiang Wei did his best but obviously he's a failure. And after they both died, the idiot Liu Shan immediately surrendered to Wei.
serpentdoness 3 years ago
That's why I say Liu Chan was hopeless and useless acturelly he is the one who destroyed shu and he is the on who killed zhuge liang.
Ganbadesamade 3 years ago
Oh yeah, of course I agree that Liu Shan was a hopeless idiot. If he had been just a teeny bit helpful then Zhuge Liang would've lived longer.
serpentdoness 3 years ago
如果诸葛亮多相信魏延一点的话，北伐的结果会截然不同。拖死蜀国的应该是姜维，这家伙只知道在诸葛武侯过世后一个劲的北伐，却不知道孔明当时北伐的目的。
yellowpower 3 years ago 2
说得精髓
kingmtn 3 years ago
You were wrong. Wei Yang's plan has high risk going with it, the problem is not Zhuge Liang not intellengence enough to understand Wei Yang's plan, it was just too risky and since among all the kingdoms, Shu was the weakest, and once the plan failed, Shu will be very hard to recover, since Shu pop only 1/3 of Wei, if it lost huge number of soldiers, it will be hard for Zhuge Liang to replenish the lost. Wei Yang only think the result of a mission, but Zhuge has to consider the whole kingdom.
kggoh 2 years ago
There's no clear indications of right or wrong here. When discussing history, all we could do is assume "could have, would have, should have." Again, there is no doubt that Wei Yan's plans had its risks. However, Zhuge Liang's decision on refusing to execute the plan was made with his biased first impression of Wei Yan.
yellowpower 2 years ago
We can see how intelligence politically was Wei Yang in after Zhuge died, Yang Yi (which was not a very high intelligence scholar) could accuse him for rebelling, even Yang Yi, he also could not politically defeat, a kingdom under WY's would be a disaster. And if you don't dare to risk, it is very hard to win a war. But you must understand a war is not a game, you only have one chance, if you made wrong decision, there is no chance for you to load and play again. Pls respect Zhuge's decision.
kggoh 2 years ago
Please also take into consideration that Zhuge Liang has dislike Wei Yan since their first encounter, so there has been a clear personal conflict going on. Zhuge Liang is undoubtedly one of the most intelligent strategists in Chinese history, but he is not perfect. His failure to recognizing talent in people made him merely a great strategist, not a leader.
yellowpower 2 years ago
don't use "Romance of Three Kingdoms" novel to get information abt Zhuge dislike Wei Yang. There is no history record saying Zhuge dislike WY. You talked abt "could have, would have, and should have, you can only do that when you already know the result of someone did something. But when you were in the situation, who knows your decision even worst.
kggoh 2 years ago
這個是民族內部糾紛...
mars19841031 3 years ago
真好，诸葛丞相......就是感觉好像不全。
huxiaoran1994 3 years ago 2