I have close to that same rifle it looks a little different but it's cva .45 blackpowder only. I want to make my own ammo what size mold and where could I get that and patches at.
hey you can fire it at 250 yards still hitting your target will popper training. Sharpshooters were trained to fire at long distances and be able to hit there targets will a 90% rating. They wore green uniforms instead of the blue colors everyone ware during those times. Whats really cool is that the Springfield riles during 1860's for sharpshooters came with a long scope. The enemy seeing their green colors would shot at them first due to their high accuracy at very long distances.
I also have a CVA Kentucky Rifle that my Dad built from a kit for me 30 years ago. That old girl is a great shooter and I've found my most accurate loads was using 50gr. FFg powder with a .440rb and a .010 cotton patch. Traditional muzzleloaders are addictive! :D
I noticed you said you were using a paper patch. While correct for smoothbore muskets, it is not correct for rifles, and this is one reason you were getting bad accuracy.
1. The minimum powder charge is the caliber (ie 45gns is fine) with the max being 60gns, or 1/2 the weight of the ball. Max accuracy should be near the average of the two, or about 50 grains 2Fg.
2. Cut tight weave cotton patch 1-1/8" square. Lube it with natural oil or beeswax (I use 50/50 bw/olive oil) (cont'd)
3. Center the patch over the muzzle, and center a .440" lead ball on the patch.
4. Start with a short starter. If you're using striped pure cotton pillow ticking (about .018" thick, good to start with), you will have to whack the short starter with the palm of your hand. This engraves the rifling into the patch and allows you to seat the ball with the ramrod.
7. Put the hammer at half cock and remove the cap. Optionally, you can blow down the muzzle to help extinguish embers. There is a debate about this practice. Your choice.
8. Take a cotton patch, about 2" square, lick it, and run it down and back up. You will bring out some fouling. Follow this with two dry patches. This is essential; it keeps the powder fouling down so loading is consistent. The two dry patches keep the bore dry. This will extinguish any embers.
Done properly, loading a single load column will take two or three minutes. It's worth it though; with the exact same model rifle you are using, I can drill a playing card with three shots touching at 50-55 yards, but it must be loaded like a rifle, not a smoothbore musket.
Rifle regiments in the Revolutionary War would regularly engage targets at 200 yards, and snipers could take shots of 500 to 800 successfully.
Really shouldn't remove the cap until you load the next round because if there is an ember in the breach when you take the cap off you allow air to enter and keep it going . really suposed to keep it on until its loaded and then place a new cap on . just for safety . Really great rifle and Nice video . didn't want to sound like a smart ass or anything .
if you were to take this gun deer hunting would you only 60-70 grains i have the same gun but flintloc its muzzle season and its all i have to use cant find any info on muzzle grain
I have an old repeater patented by G.W. Morse in 1856 that shoots 70 grain 45cal that i hope to shoot someday. Its a shame that such a rare gun was so neglected.
You guys are having too much fun!! Never thought about using a .22 bullet trap with a muzzle loader. Have you tried it with a .58 caliber? Be a nice way to recycle some lead.
@Iraqveteran8888 hi i have the same 45 vcal rifle do you no if you can use a 454 round ball in it . and how many grams of powder is safe for a test run i dont quite under stand the mesurment of grains
Question,on any blackpowder after the shot, the barrel get very hot if you notice.Are you to reload rightaway or do you let barrel cool down before reloading.
Hey !great site.I have a 32.Navy pistol,it works fine,but how do you know the right charge?? I dont know if i have to much, or to little. Any help.Thanks Collin
instead of paper for your patches try pillow ticking saturated in wonder lube 1000. the wonder lube seasons the bore makes the bore less vulnerable to corrosion it also helps reduce fouling. the combination with the pillow ticking patch will give you more consistent velocities and better accuracy. also wonder lube would make an excellent bullet lube for your martini rifle. have fun!
thats sounds great! a mixture of beeswax and Crisco will probably work real well. typically a combination of beeswax and animal fat was the patch lube of choice before there was stuff like wonder lube and spit patch available. The Crisco being vegetable base will be much easier to work with I think. Have fun buddy!!
That style rifle was first a Jukar it had a 2 peice stock. When CVA took over selling the Spanish firearms that stock went to one peice. Not a bad starter ML for anyone.
T/C just priced there Hawken's out of range they are well over $700.00 now.
At half the cost,Lyman is now the top dog as far as value and a good firearm go.
I was reading that the original Jukar Kits were around $79 back in the 70's, lol. The Kentucky kits are now about $175 I saw, not bad at all. My Father told me that his cousin won this rifle in a raffle someplace. He had no use for it so he gave it to my father, who in turn placed in the closet (that was his "safe" back then, lol). Super fun gun :)
i love your videos about cut shell and such, very informative
brenden561 1 month ago
if that's 100 yards i'm a monkey's uncle
TheAdamtheleveler 1 month ago
I have close to that same rifle it looks a little different but it's cva .45 blackpowder only. I want to make my own ammo what size mold and where could I get that and patches at.
l1lhawk 2 months ago
Nice vid, Kenny Powers.
knottytrevor 3 months ago
I want that rifle!!!!
can't wait to obtain a BP muzzle loader!
ChromeArty 6 months ago
hey you can fire it at 250 yards still hitting your target will popper training. Sharpshooters were trained to fire at long distances and be able to hit there targets will a 90% rating. They wore green uniforms instead of the blue colors everyone ware during those times. Whats really cool is that the Springfield riles during 1860's for sharpshooters came with a long scope. The enemy seeing their green colors would shot at them first due to their high accuracy at very long distances.
Civilwar555 9 months ago
I also have a CVA Kentucky Rifle that my Dad built from a kit for me 30 years ago. That old girl is a great shooter and I've found my most accurate loads was using 50gr. FFg powder with a .440rb and a .010 cotton patch. Traditional muzzleloaders are addictive! :D
Teleoceras 1 year ago
Hello,
I noticed you said you were using a paper patch. While correct for smoothbore muskets, it is not correct for rifles, and this is one reason you were getting bad accuracy.
1. The minimum powder charge is the caliber (ie 45gns is fine) with the max being 60gns, or 1/2 the weight of the ball. Max accuracy should be near the average of the two, or about 50 grains 2Fg.
2. Cut tight weave cotton patch 1-1/8" square. Lube it with natural oil or beeswax (I use 50/50 bw/olive oil) (cont'd)
Wabatuckian 1 year ago
3. Center the patch over the muzzle, and center a .440" lead ball on the patch.
4. Start with a short starter. If you're using striped pure cotton pillow ticking (about .018" thick, good to start with), you will have to whack the short starter with the palm of your hand. This engraves the rifling into the patch and allows you to seat the ball with the ramrod.
5. Cap using a capper. Aim, fire.
6. Fit a cleaning jag to your ramrod.
(cont'd)
Wabatuckian 1 year ago
7. Put the hammer at half cock and remove the cap. Optionally, you can blow down the muzzle to help extinguish embers. There is a debate about this practice. Your choice.
8. Take a cotton patch, about 2" square, lick it, and run it down and back up. You will bring out some fouling. Follow this with two dry patches. This is essential; it keeps the powder fouling down so loading is consistent. The two dry patches keep the bore dry. This will extinguish any embers.
Wabatuckian 1 year ago
9. Reload. Fire. Repeat.
Done properly, loading a single load column will take two or three minutes. It's worth it though; with the exact same model rifle you are using, I can drill a playing card with three shots touching at 50-55 yards, but it must be loaded like a rifle, not a smoothbore musket.
Rifle regiments in the Revolutionary War would regularly engage targets at 200 yards, and snipers could take shots of 500 to 800 successfully.
I'm signing up. I'd like to see your progress.
Wabatuckian 1 year ago
damn if you reloaded that slow in real life warfare you would get shot to peices
skintrade 1 year ago
Really shouldn't remove the cap until you load the next round because if there is an ember in the breach when you take the cap off you allow air to enter and keep it going . really suposed to keep it on until its loaded and then place a new cap on . just for safety . Really great rifle and Nice video . didn't want to sound like a smart ass or anything .
farmall51 1 year ago
Hi from france, nice to write to an Irak veteran . What a fun it is to shoot with a muzzleloader .
gbrinfo 1 year ago
if you were to take this gun deer hunting would you only 60-70 grains i have the same gun but flintloc its muzzle season and its all i have to use cant find any info on muzzle grain
h8paswords 1 year ago
I have an old repeater patented by G.W. Morse in 1856 that shoots 70 grain 45cal that i hope to shoot someday. Its a shame that such a rare gun was so neglected.
tremendousmoss 1 year ago
I love shooting traditional BP, and yea, 45 grains is too light, I would go 60-70 of fffg
SuperR3volver 1 year ago
I would so Buy that off of you guys
SuperR3volver 1 year ago
I got a 14in. pistol same brand. I would just like to know what I need to shot that. I also have a 6 to8 in.? pistol both .45s got any tips?
Rolltron 1 year ago
my friend got one at a renevouz its pretty cool. i wouldnt mind havin one, but id probally want a new age one.
sc3n3cor3 1 year ago
why didn't you show the reloading?
TTok33 1 year ago
@TTok33 Coming soon...
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
@Iraqveteran8888
awesome! looking forward to that
TTok33 1 year ago
What a cool firearm, one you wont see everyday, thats for sure.
mlacey56 1 year ago
You guys are having too much fun!! Never thought about using a .22 bullet trap with a muzzle loader. Have you tried it with a .58 caliber? Be a nice way to recycle some lead.
hickok45 1 year ago 9
Thanks for watching my video...I know you're a busy guy. Nice stuff BTW.
I haven't tried it with a .58 caliber, but I need to, huh?
Recycling lead is always a good idea with the way things are going!
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago 4
@Iraqveteran8888 hi i have the same 45 vcal rifle do you no if you can use a 454 round ball in it . and how many grams of powder is safe for a test run i dont quite under stand the mesurment of grains
servingthenation1 6 months ago in playlist guns
Question,on any blackpowder after the shot, the barrel get very hot if you notice.Are you to reload rightaway or do you let barrel cool down before reloading.
coldpak82 1 year ago
What model of CVA is it? I don't recognize the full stock...
Panzerzimmerpflanze 1 year ago
How long were you out there shooting for?
Chompa901 1 year ago
@Chompa901
Probably a total of 3-4 hours.
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
I SEE YOU GOT THE BLACKPOWDER FEVER
tripwire1000 1 year ago
@tripwire1000
Yeah it's fun...More to come.
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
Hey !great site.I have a 32.Navy pistol,it works fine,but how do you know the right charge?? I dont know if i have to much, or to little. Any help.Thanks Collin
powderbobo 1 year ago
did you guys clean that thing after every 2 shots?
Gunluver1 1 year ago
After every 5 or so.
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
Delicious!! it's basically a pistol caliber carbine.. back from the 1800's!
TheHiddenPart 1 year ago
It's a fun rifle...(This rifle belongs to Chad's dad, but I have one on the way for me too...it was just too much fun)
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
Looks like alot of fun!
Do you know the muzzle velocity? Fps.
multicam2000 1 year ago
not sure...this is early initial work with the rifle. In fact, I have another one on the way for me...lol.
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
instead of paper for your patches try pillow ticking saturated in wonder lube 1000. the wonder lube seasons the bore makes the bore less vulnerable to corrosion it also helps reduce fouling. the combination with the pillow ticking patch will give you more consistent velocities and better accuracy. also wonder lube would make an excellent bullet lube for your martini rifle. have fun!
GrizzlyGunsmith99 1 year ago
Actually, we were using the TC pre-lubricated little patches for it, and they seemed to be working great.
I plan on buying bulk pillow ticking and lubing it in layers of a mixture of beeswax and crisco.
Sound good to you?
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
thats sounds great! a mixture of beeswax and Crisco will probably work real well. typically a combination of beeswax and animal fat was the patch lube of choice before there was stuff like wonder lube and spit patch available. The Crisco being vegetable base will be much easier to work with I think. Have fun buddy!!
GrizzlyGunsmith99 1 year ago
i can smell the black powder!
thewatchdawg229 1 year ago
Excellent Eric!
silver760 1 year ago
Very nice :)
Gungeek 1 year ago
That style rifle was first a Jukar it had a 2 peice stock. When CVA took over selling the Spanish firearms that stock went to one peice. Not a bad starter ML for anyone.
T/C just priced there Hawken's out of range they are well over $700.00 now.
At half the cost,Lyman is now the top dog as far as value and a good firearm go.
blackpowderbill 1 year ago
@ blackpowderbill
I was reading that the original Jukar Kits were around $79 back in the 70's, lol. The Kentucky kits are now about $175 I saw, not bad at all. My Father told me that his cousin won this rifle in a raffle someplace. He had no use for it so he gave it to my father, who in turn placed in the closet (that was his "safe" back then, lol). Super fun gun :)
bootsytakes6 1 year ago
Those things are nice! I had the chance to fire a Kentucky rifle at the range one time. Very nice!
pukkepop 1 year ago
Nice CVA rifle.
neolexington 1 year ago
You guys have a really good way of documenting things. Very interesting, but would have been nice to see the targets afterward for any damage / sign.
Jazzy78910 1 year ago
sweet
IKEFOOTBALL77 1 year ago
Lovely!
ECTBWHO 1 year ago
cool gun
BigSean1992 1 year ago
I can't believe Chads' dad had that rifle and never fired it for all the time he's had it.
whylie74 1 year ago
Black powder white smoke . All ya need to keep it clean is water . 5*
krazy45cat 1 year ago
SWEET!
ECTBWHO 1 year ago
Nice!
majorporpoise 1 year ago