I think its simply the case that the course of human history has been miscalculated. I believe we did evolve, but that we evolved to a highly intelligent state a lot longer back in time than we credit ourselves for. Current examples include the temple at Gobekli tepe (12,000 years old). Isn't it simply that we lost our ancient knowledge? Possibly due to a disastrous event that wiped out the majority of the population and academics e.g a sudden climate change, disease, famine?
same old same old pyramid selling techniques, we can sell you the book, the mug, the t-shirt & the video series. .. .. & the Ark was a Sumerian story on much older cuneiform tablets. .
You remind me of a Guy i knew that was homosexually raped as a kid. in his early 20s he cut his nuts off & his lack of normal testosterone effected his ability to reason clearly. Are you now or have you ever been confined to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation, you should consider it. Perhaps you are just suffering from depression.
@marklmansfield -You remind me of some fcuk called "MarklMansfield" who sucked his own nuts off performing Tantric Yoga alone one night so like I-was just saying before not being so rudely interrupted "MARKY-POO" your god & your Satan are the same so fcuk your god & fcuk your Satan & fcuk your angels & fcuk your demons & fcuk your heaven & fcuk your hell & your paradise & your Hades & FU2 Langley Troll.
The omnipotent omniscient omnipresent cosmic-magician delusion used to be the only game in town because that's the only game the Great White Brotherhood members of Solomon's 1200 offspring would allow pre-Masonic leaders of Jew Christian & Muslim to teach & preach yet the patriarch & prophet Abram sat down & shared a meal with 3 physical 'LORDS' who represented 'ONE ENLIL LORD' of all other high tech physical 'ENLIL' & they even used IVF to give Sarah Isaac & did the same for Mary & our Christ.
I'm obliged to more precisely define the speaker's loose use of the word "WISE" in reference to Solomon because the O\T records he built altars to "MOLECH" which involved ritual sexual-death of children but also adults & they were literally then cooked & eaten.
Is that truly wise you people?
Look to Christ where he stated Children of this world are "WISER" in their generation than the "CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" & remember Stephen's brave witness in Acts 7 so was Was Solomon really wise?
@spacelizardlaw Scripture & Verse Please. Your making some preety wild spectulations there. & No, Just because someone said that someone said, dosent make it so
@spacelizardlaw I believe the burden of proof is on you, your the one making the accusations. You may be confusing Solomon with Manassah, a King who ruled about 400 yrs. later. The nation as a whole,began imatiating the nations around them & were severely punished by God for it.
@marklmansfield -It's said "None so blind as they who will not see" but maybe those who don't have the balls & brains to question a precious status quo 'CAN'T' see even if they wanted to & are even blinder.
References to Solomon & his altars for Molech worship are all right there in scripture because brave Jews fought to keep them there so look it up yourself & read the Jew Stephen's bold witness before Saul of Tarsus had him murdered & as for Molech cannibalism use the internet.
@spacelizardlaw insults get you know where & the web is full of self-appointed prophets.[does the shoe fit?] All I asked for is the chapter & verse you were reffering to. [btw 1 kings 11:7,8] If you cannot find me a verse which specifically says Solomon "sacrificed children", beware that you maybe a "slander" & worse a "Flase Prophet".
@marklmansfield -According to Christ "CHILDREN OF THIS WORLD" like Solomon the little flower are wiser in their generation than "CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" & would your mind be capable of expanding to the point where you can question anything without attacking it?
Now you found the verse keep looking for the others that speak of Kings causing their children to "PASS THRU THE FIRE" (They cooked & ate them) which is the other reference to Molech worship then use the internet.
@spacelizardlaw Let me get this straight; "You were in darkness, misled, decived: but you watched videos & now you are enlightened". That does not even make sense. Truth is, You are as BLIND as ever, & you have just cast off One PUPPETMASTER for a new One. I feel tike I am having a conversation with a 17yr old Kid, who has been huffing Gasoline. Your Non-logic is based on Conjucture, Innuendo & Speculation.
@marklmansfield ... I'm not quite sure how to say this but the man who raised me would have said something simple like "Fcuk-off you Langley Pagan Troll twit" so Yeah "Fcuk off you little Langley Pagan-puppet Troll twit" & spin on it until it smokes...
Thankfully Trolls are dumber than computer programs...
You act as stupid & deceived as the Christians are
@marklmansfield isn't the world governed on conjecture, innuendo and speculation...? and isn't it with those three describing words the reason we will and do go to war over?
I think the whole word has gone mad... so mad that crazy people do not know they are crazy because our leaders are as dumb as door knobs on a window and spin us all a very distorted view of our history!
God=Sun and we are not the apex of civilisation. Those that came before were more evolved than we can ever be!
Modern science and medicine saved by brother's life, my sister's life and saved my own life 2 times. It also saved my sister -in -law's life this past summer. She was on her bicycle and hit by a large SUV. Healthcare in the US is very broken. But that doesn't mean all of the science is wrong. Again, I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your mother.
@TucsonDave111 thank you for your kind words about my mom. i foiled the plot to put mom in a nursing home then at the end I was fighting hospice because she didn't want that. but nobody but me cared about what she wanted and i was thrown out of my family for it. they wantednursing home. yes, trauma surgery is a great medical advancement. i agree.
@Marleyites Hang in there. In 2007 I lost my dad. My oldest brother took him in and cared for him until he passed instead of a home. I've always felt bad that I didn't visit more in the last couple months. My best friend and dad passed 6 days apart.
For some time I felt adrift. The only suggestions I might have would to be look at the big picture and be honest with yourself about life and the universe. (sounds silly)
I hope you make it through this tough time with a minimum of grief.
@TucsonDave111 hanging by a thread. trying suicide by cigarette but it's a long term proposition. immediate relief is elusive. yt videos and general paralysis seem the order of most days. sorry about your dad. mom had few visitors in the last times. i was always here now i wish i'd spent more time actually wit her but she liked fox news and it gives me anxiety so I hid out from it. in last days we slept together so i could hear if she had trouble. those the best times of all.
@TucsonDave111 Dave, don't give any thought to not visiting your dad as much; it's an endless cycle. I was here and now wish I'd spent even MORE time together. There's never enough time together, no matter how much you visit. Thank you again for your kindness. I read the article you mentioned earlier. People living longer, the reasons are guesswork and vary. medical doesn't seem to factor until 20th cent. who knows.
It was identified AS A SPARKPLUG from an early ford. A mechanic versed in antique autos identified it with one look. Like the hammer embedded in ancient rock, it turns out to be a modern object encrusted in natural calcification that some wishful thinking amateur claims is proof of time travel, aliens, or dinosaurs that played with X-Boxes. Make sure your Bug Powder doesn't smell of tainted cheese before you rub it on your lips.
Jonathan Gray came public with many very interesting findings. Anyone can say he is wrong, but without pointing out the so called "errors", people like TucsonDave look like jealous idiots trying to elevate themselves unjustly. I am a very well educated man and and have a very high standard of reasoning. In my view, Jonathan Gray simply tells his truth, and I for one will listen.
Wether you believe all the conclusions in this program or not, the ammount of evidence pointing to the fact that what we are been told about the history of the world is not true is becoming more and more obvious as the days go by. Things are getting hidden from us, they attack anyone telling us about things, calling them nuts and cookes, ignoring evidence. Just saying, there is a lot more that is going on in this world than they allow us to know, and a lot of it is not for our good.
I believe it was Dawkins that said if we can find human skeletons out of place in the fossil record ,then evolution would be falsified,well it's already happened a few times.Even the many ooparts show us that something is super fishy.
@sjdss Just a casual comment, if you don't mind. Jehovah is not a God, but the son of an extraterrestrisl. Jehovah was the son of Enlil. Enki, and Enlil were brothers. Jehovah had power, but did not possess enough power to create the Universe in its' entirety. Just like there is no proof 1 person built the pyramids of Giza, the same goes for the Universe. "GOD" in the correct sense, is the mastermind(s) behind the organism called our Universe. But you have to start somewhere.
An actual STARGATE/PORTAL-THING was caught on film in New Mexico. The footage can be found within the short-film entitled "SUDDEN PORTHOLE", which is parked at the PROJECT CAMELOT YouTube page (it's under the George Noory video).
I'm not selling anything…I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.
My BLOG @ samzurick*dot*com contains peripheral data regarding the movie and is where I reply to the "debunkers". THANKS!!
I had a feeling this would end with Christian Propaganda. It's incredibly ironic that a Christian is proposing that humans have been smart from the beginning, when they are by far the dumbest, most uniformed people on Earth. Thumbs down !
@AutumnEnergy1 Wow! really???? than how much dumber, and less informed are you, if you come to watch their videos LOL???? Don't answer that, I already know, besides that, i do not converse with fools, wrote only for the sake of those who come here looking for the truth.
@AutumnEnergy1 At the moment we seem to have a systematic dumbing down of people. The 18th, 19th and 20th centuries saw a blooming of knowledge in the world as we hit the industrial age, people diets improved and the population got increasing freedoms. Now we have incresing velvet glove slavery (debt slavery) flouride in water and mercury in vaccines to dumb people down, by design. Mankind in been stunted by design, research it, wish I was wrong.
@Paultootall1971 Charlotte Iserbyt, whistleblower who wrote "Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" was on Alex Jones today. She's updated her book and it's on her site for free download (I think, it used to be anyway). I wish you were wrong, too. You're not. Also, I'm afraid the policy behind dumbing down is only the tip of the iceberg.
Anyone using "friends..." as much as this guy does is suspect though I'm with him on most of this stuff. The question is...are we already in Hades and all these anomolies of history and artifact purposefully created to forever drive us crazy?
Sounded rational until the 19th minute where he mentions the great flood which occured after the 1000 mile water vapour canopy which used to surround the earth & protect it from high energy particles fell which was over 400,000 years ago.
The OT part of the bible is largely but not wholly myth which doesn't make it false & you can easily explain the story of the ark as being completely bloody impossible from the point of logistics for food & water however the real ark was high-tech providence.
After watching this video - I can see no evidence of inaccurate statements - I have seen other sources that corroborate the information stated here - most folks seeing this and other similar videos have been brainwashed by our ever growing atheist society. The physical and historical evidence is obvious and undeniable - I encourage everyone to seek the truth by your own research - don't believe what you are being taught regarding these issues by people with long titles after their names...
@TucsonDave111 Dave just give one error. Be specific and give the exact time segement of the video where the claimed error is made so that all and anyone can check out your claim.
@MrLimey Bob For starters this guy believes in the Noah flood. An entire world of geologists have looked for any evidence that could actually support that possibility. It didn’t happen. At the same time Egypt and China were building cities, teaching, learning and recording their history with no mention of a flood. At 11:58 he states that “all cultures began suddenly and fully developed.” So all working professional anthropologists and archeologists are wrong? He makes hollow assertions
@firefirefuneralpyre Sorry, Are you attempting to show your intellect in your reply to my statements or are you offering to perform type sexual act? If it’s the latter I’ll choose to pass. It doesn’t sound like my cup of tea. If it’s the former I’d suggest you review the video and attempt to come up with an actual argument. Third option. You really don't want any honesty or critical thinking? It's all about believing in your delusion. Please let me know which it is. Thanks.
@TucsonDave111 Are you a studied, qualified archaeologist, acquainted with ALL the relevant areas and topics discussed in this video; not to speak of ALL the correlating areas of archaeology, natural science, history and criminology? Because if you aren't: Shut up.
@87solarsky Have you really considered the foundation of your argument? It goes something like this. Before you can accept the advice of a physician, you too must be a licensed physician.
If you actually have any verifiable evidence that has passed peer review study from the scientific community that supports your position I’d love to see it. FYI: Telling someone who opposes your position to "shut up" with no evidence doesn’t really help your cause. It exposes how desperate you are.
@TucsonDave111 -> Go watch Ben Stein's movie "Expelled - No intelligence allowed". Should sort you out about the reality of the scientism gulag. So get educated without the establishments idea of how intelligibility needs to be narrowed down to mere superstition!
@87solarsky I did watch Expelled. Have you done any research that exposes all the lies in that movie. It was yet another a feeble attempt based on lies to support their god myth. Did you look at both sides? I'm guessing you just watched the movie without validating if any of it was true or not. You took it on "faith". Belief without evidence. How can faith be good? Religion has stifled education and learning. That's what you're trying to do too.
@87solarsky scientism gulag! I love it. Very accurate. I don't believe in peer review process. merely a bunch of brainwashed priests of science patting each other on the back for following their religious dogma.
@TucsonDave111 "It exposes how desperate you are." It exposes what an idiot you are. Have a nice death, you fool. Time's too precious for any more typing regarding you!
@87solarsky By simply calling me names and threatening me instead of having an actual argument is very telling for anyone who looks at this thread objectively. I choose to live in reality. I think living within a delusion can be dangerous. If you really believe in your god try this. If you are very ill or have a serious accident. Instead of seeking medical attention just pray. In that scenario we'll see how much you "really" believe in your god.
@TucsonDave111 If you're sick or injured, anything would be better than going to a doctor. Prayer, witch doctors, shamans, talismans, anything at all. Stay away from doctors and the so-called "medical" industry, especially their vaccines and drugs.
@Marleyites What data are you using to come to this conclusion? There are at least 2 times in my life I would have died without modern healthcare and quick action from doctors. My sister is a cancer survivor. Provide some data to support this crazy notion.
@TucsonDave111 Why? Because it flies in the face of the theory of Evolution and Abiogenesis and the ideas that have been embraced and taught in our schools as fact which actually require more faith to believe in than the idea of Intelligent Design? Not a satire, try the TRUTH!
@chefjimmie1 Because it flies in the face of all demonstrable evidence. If you REALLY believe what your saying you also have to turn your back on modern medicine. A majority of medicines used today have been created based on our knowledge of our biologic evolution. When you're injured or sick will you go to a hospital or church? Not to mention you can't believe this crap when they claim the Noah flood was real. We're not children. Facts and the Truth matter.
@TucsonDave111 Name one medicine that was created based on our knowledge of our biologic evolution (sic) Please name just ONE and show exactly how it has been created based on our knowledge of something that didn't even happen. Why can't the flood be real? Because you were told? Look at the Grand Canyon. Are you going to tell me that that tiny river carved out all of that debris, and where is all the debris by the way? Can't answer that, can you?
@chefjimmie1 Most antibiotics are changing every year because of the evolution of the antibodies. That's why antibiotics we used in the past don't work today. Regarding the flood It's been proven by all "real" geologists that it was created over thousands of years. Not to mention other Noah flood problems. Not enough water on earth. How did Noah get animals from other continents? Feeding animals, It would take about 80 tons of food to feed a pair of elephants for a year. I'll continue, pt 2.
@TucsonDave111 It would take about 80 tons of food to feed a pair of elephants for a year." Ah, yes it would take that much to feed ADULT elephants but common sense would say, "I better take SMALL animals, i.e. BABY animals...they might be easier to take care of and eat and poo a lot less. They would also live longer after the flood insuring a long life of reproduction. Sorry, "REAL geologists, just somehow doesn't work for me. Where do you think the debris went? Really, they can't find it.
@chefjimmie1 Elephants take years to mature. "Baby" Elephants could not mature and learn from the heard and survive. Regarding the debris from the Grand canyon. Whether the debris was removed in 1 year or 100000 years the debris is gone. Can you provide a single scientific study from a working geologist that suggests the Grand Canyon was a product of the noah flood? You've ignored the fact there isn't enough water on earth.
@chefjimmie1 There are billions of life forms on earth if you count bacteria. How did Noah and his family get all of these life forms on the arc? How did they feed them?
There were many other cultures that were thriving during the Noah flood time line that report no flood. for instance it took place during the building of the Pyramids in Egypt. China has great historical records and show no "Global flood". So lets hear it.
@TucsonDave111 There is only speculation about the time line of the flood, many of the cultures that were silent about it came about years after the flood.
@chefjimmie1 Nice call. Ignore the timeline laid out by the bible for the flood. Us the bible when it's convenient.. Ignore it when the text in the bible shows it's crap.
Where did all the water come from? Where did it go? Now you're going to tell me that rape and slavery in the bible are moral.
@chefjimmie1 And how about this. What was the moral lesson of the Noah flood? A loving omnipotent, omniscient benevolent god commits Genocide except for 8 people because he's unhappy with the way humans are acting. He is all knowing, he knows what they were going to do. He killed pretty much everyone that could have learned a lesson from his psychopathic rage. Where is the moral lesson? He killed everyone, children, animals.. etc.. That is sick..
@TucsonDave111 So, your problem is with God. Just kidding, I knew that from reading your other posts. I'll make this short and then it's nite nite time for me. "billions of life forms on earth, how did Noah get them all on arc." If you read the account of the flood in Genesis, it says, "take every animal with the breath of life in it's NOSTRILS" so that excludes even the insects, they survived the same way they do every winter. Still waiting for that medicine they crafted using bio evolution.
@chefjimmie1 So how did Noah get Penguins. How did he get snakes that only live in South america? This is a cop out. Even if you only take animals with Nostrils they could not have gotten the animals or fed them. Every time a theist has to look at the problems with this and other biblical stories they ignore the questions and/or make up excuses. Then the classic.. Run away.. the evil atheist is using facts at me.. My blind faith does not compute.. AAaaaaaaaahaah
@TucsonDave111 No cop out, Noah records, "and the animals went in two by two UNTO Noah into the ark, the male and the female,... Gen. 7:9 (emph. mine) The animals were SENT to Noah, the bible says. I think a Sovereign God that knows the number of hairs on your head and mine and calls all the stars by name and knows everything about everything could arrange that without too much difficulty.
@chefjimmie1 So how did snails and freshwater mammals from the Americas and Australia get to Noah? You've still ignored the historical record from many cultures.
So god knows the hair on our heads but thought bats were birds. He thinks unicorns are real? If he is all powerful why didn't he just snap his fingers and start over? If he is perfect why didn't he know what humans would do?
@TucsonDave111 Before the flood, the world was very different. There were land bridges after the flood. Who said God think bats were birds? He could snap His fingers and start over but this is His plan. Suppose you made a clay pot but it was crooked, you fired it anyway but it was clearly flawed. You liked it and decided to keep it. After you glaze it, does that pot say to you "why did you allow me to exist?" God does know everything. He ALLOWS evil and mistakes and fits them into His plan.
@chefjimmie1 The bible says bats are birds. Ever read it? The mental gymnastics you have to pull to try to make any sense of this is amazing. I really want you to answer this next question. If I used the same level of myth and provide no evidence would it make you believe that Scientology was true and real?
Why does god allow evil to exist? He's god he could have stopped it.
@TucsonDave111 WHERE does the bible say bats are birds? Chapter and verse please. And....Yes, I have read the bible and I read it EVERYDAY. The evidence for giants is in photos but the skeptics cop out and say that every one of them is photoshopped. You can look at them and see that most of them are REAL PHOTOS with real corroborating scale items in them to see that they weren't fakes. I am not saying that some of them weren't faked, they were but hardly ALL of them faked. Look them up.
@chefjimmie1 Leviticus 11:13-19 And these you shall detest among the birds; they shall not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the bearded vulture, the black vulture, the kite, the falcon of any kind, every raven of any kind, the ostrich, the nighthawk, the sea gull, the hawk of any kind, the little owl, the cormorant, the short-eared owl, the barn owl, the tawny owl, the carrion vulture, the stork, the heron of any kind, the hoopoe, and the bat. Giants, where are the bones?
@TucsonDave111 The translation from the Hebrew means "winged creatures". They translated it as birds. This is why you don't believe in God, because the translators of the OT included bats among the birds? You are regurgitating Richard Dawkins and other God haters who have combed through the bible trying to refute it. Seems like that is what it boils down to. Have a happy new year and read the Gospel of John. Then look me up. This is Jim....OUT.
@chefjimmie1 Amazing. You didn't answer a single question I had from your assertions. No evidence at all from you. I asked direct questions that were relevant to the point. If there were real answers you could have made a case. Instead you tell me to read you book of fairy tales and run away to hide. Not rational, not honest and quite pathetic.
@chefjimmie1 I've seen photos of giants. I can't tell if they are real or not. I've seen photos of things that look real and I know they're not. So you base your belief on photos which no scientist would suggest are true with no physical evidence. When scientist show fossils of transitional forms you deny they exist. You can to to museums and see them. But no evidence for giants and you believe in them to support your belief. That is not rational.
@TucsonDave111 What is not rational is believing that everything came into existence by chance with no intelligent outside force involved. What is not rational is believing that man evolved (and so did everything else) from lower forms of life when there are NO TRANSITIONAL skeletons. Lucy? her bones were found scattered over acres. A fine example of evolution was Nebraska man-a whole skeleton put together from a tooth later found to be of a pig! There would be MORE trans skeletons than human.
@chefjimmie1 Aaaah. Even though we do have hundreds of transitional fossils that can be seen in public museums you deny they exist. BTW: no scientists ever said Nebraska man was a transitional find. It was shown to be an error very quickly. But creationists love to bring it up because they have no real bullets in their gun. This is denial. Are you going to suggest that dinosaurs were on the planet 6 to 10K years ago?
@TucsonDave111 Let's not forget about Piltdown Man. THE missing link for over 50 years, only to be found a hoax. The list goes on. They are so desperate for proof, they MANUFACTURE IT! In Origin of Species, Darwin uses the phrases "supposing that" and "assuming that" over 6000 times. He admitted that if no trans skels were found, his theory would be a bust. To date, we have ZERO. Believing in a theory that has ZERO proof is not rational. At least the bible has prophecies that have come true.
@chefjimmie1 Another example of science fixing itself. BTW. Go do a museum and see the fossils. You keep denying they exist but you won't look at them. Ambulocetus, Tiktaalik, both very interesting. We know the creation story can't be true because we know the age of the earth. We have fossils that are millions of years old. You're going to suggest your position is rational? Choose 1 of 1000's of creation myths and ignore science. Clear denial.
@TucsonDave111 Is this the same science that tells us cannabis has no accepted medical value and is highly addictive? mmhmm. thought so. sounds like your religion of science is as wacky as you claim other religions are.
@Marleyites I've never seen a peer reviewed scientific paper that says cannabis is generally harmful. If you can reference any of these published papers I'd love to see them. I have seen corrupt politicians that have sold out to Pharmaceutical companies that make this assertion. Ironically almost all of these corrupt scumbags are Christians.
Science is not a religion. Science is lead by demonstrable evidence not dogma. Do you understand what unbiased honest thought is?
@TucsonDave111 I don't put much stock into peer review publications. But the corrput politicians claim to have science as basis, with no outcry from scientific community dedicated to proving the truth of the matter, even with the cost in lives and money so extraordinary. I don't know about christian claims. most people to claim christianity as far as I can tell do not follow true christian principles but follow dogma and social ideals instead.
@Marleyites You don't put much stock in peer review publications??? You clearly don't know how the scientific method works. You're also using the technology provided by the scientific method but claim it' can't be trusted. Computers, central heating, cars... You also claim that most who claim to be Christian aren't really. I assume you claim to be one of the "real" Christians?
@TucsonDave111 Your assumptions again, are wrong. I believe science, medicine, education, politics ... all a big load of crap for those who buy into the scheme. creating a new technology or gadget does not depend on scientific method. I don't believe in peer review process as it's just the scientific priesthood tooting its own horn in matters it wants disclosed. just as you follow this religion and priests, I dismiss it as another phoney fraud on we the people.
@TucsonDave111 I know exactly how scientific method works. you make alot of assumptions and judgments. and you claim scientific method creates products? you fundamentalist religious types just crack me up. spouting your dogma without even knowing what you're talking about. evangelizing upon mythical notions. at least in my myths, it's used to help and heal people.
@Marleyites You keep doing nothing but making assertions with no data or evidence. I'm not religious at all. What are you even trying to suggest? You're either lacking mentally or you're just trolling. If you actually have something you'd like to discuss I'd love to hear it.
@TucsonDave111 Of course you're religious, you've written plenty about your religion - science. You say it's scientific method that invented products when anyone with half a brain knows that it's human imagination that creates. Scientific method doesn't create anything - it can't it's just a fraudulent method for corralling simpletons who won't think for themselves.
@Marleyites You are quite deluded. I pointed out how science has brought us technology like computers. We see the results of science. you did a pathetic tap dance around this point. Religion is dogmatic belief based on faith and no evidence. These things are quite different. Are you going to suggest that we would still have computers, air travel, space travel, etc without science?
@TucsonDave111 And I pointed out the fatal flaw in your reasoning - it wasn't science at all that produced those things you list - it was human imagination.
You don't have any more evidence of your religion, science, than any other religious fundamentalist, no matter what the creed. If science wants to be relevant, it better stop lying to people like you who swallow the whole load without thinking. Too many people are seeing it now. And I'm done with you. Too slow.
@Marleyites Yes, it was human imagination. Oh.. and these humans were using the scientific method to gain understanding about what they were seeing. How can you say this isn't true. Be honest. Do you think we'd have computers without lab's and scientists that use the scientific method? Please answer. At this point I'm going to make a guess. You are a christian. Probably a fundamentalist. Most likely a Young earth creationist. Am I close?
@TucsonDave111 yes, I think we'd have computers and much more without scientific method. sorry, I'm none of those things you listed at all. I'm an old lady and I don't have a religion. I am Rastafari, though, and follow a simple life inspired by Bob Marley.
@TucsonDave111 you've called me "deluded" already. you ask the most ridiculous questions and fail to answer even simple ones. fail all around, you believer in the religion of science. even as you bow to these false gods, what good are space travel or advanced technology if we are slaves? "no chains around my feet but I'm not free"
@Marleyites You've made an assertion science isn't responsible in any way for the technologies we have today. I've asked you for a single example that would backup your assertion. No you tell me that I've asked a ridiculous question?
My apologies if I missed any specific questions. Would you mind asking them again?
Can you point out any modern advanced technology we use that didn't come from science??? My question is directly tied to your assertion. Why is it ridiculous?
@TucsonDave111 Science is a religion or concept that people believe (have faith) in. Science changes from moment to moment. One minute a particular scientific concept is in vogue, the next minute gone or changed. Science told us it's a good idea to put mercury in peoples' mouths. Science tells us the way to treat cancer is by poison-radiation-mutilation (surgery) when other science & personal experience show cannabis resin as curing cancer. In Jamaica black magic known as science.
@Marleyites Wow. You've completely avoiding the question that is at the core of your assertion. Any chance you want to have an honest discussion or are you going to continue to move the goal post? Can you point out any modern advanced technology we use that didn't come from science??? My question is directly tied to your assertion. Why is it ridiculous?
@TucsonDave111 I just pointed one out. cannabis resin extract. modern technology. not from the religion of science.
why is it a ridiculous question? because science cannot invent anything. the process can support an idea or invention, but technology never produces anything. only people do. science-technology only gives framework. not the art in the frame. that's from people, from wherever imagination and novelty come from.
@TucsonDave111 Do you call surgical removal of cancer a "modern advanced technology"? I don't, even though it's thought of as advanced. Cannabis resin extract cures cancer and many incurables, with no harmful side effects. This discovery did not come from science, it came from one man's imagination, determination, ingenuity. And dissemination of this discovery came from others like him - devoted individuals, including some in "science" but not because of any deity called science.
@Marleyites I'm not saying modern medicine is perfect. And I'd agree there are many instances where things like Cannabis can be a great medicine.
But.... The average life expectancy of a person has doubled in the last 150 years because of modern medicine and the technologies created by science like MRI, ultrasound, robotic surgery.
@TucsonDave111 says who? modern medicine bolstering its own ego? sorry, I'm not buying those numbers as being attributed to those things. doctors, modern medicine and their related institutions just killed my mother. I have researched this extensively and observed with personal, direct experience. People live longer despite modern medicine. sanitation improvement is one reason.
@Marleyites Again you're tap dancing around the question I answered. Says who? Do a search on "Fertility and Mortality in the United States". That give study results that show average life spans from back in the 1800s to present. There are dozens of studies if an honest person with an open mind actually cared about the facts wanted to do some research. I will agree that it is not only medicine that has increased life expectancy. But it is a critical part. I'm sorry to hear about your mother
@TucsonDave111 there's so much bad and inaccurate study reports anymore that I just don't believe anything official. especially in regards to medical. anyway, i've found that people who love medicine aren't necessarily interested in facts, so I just give a smile and nod to their notions. I've plenty of company, people who know the truth about the medical scam, don't mind preaching to the choir. certainly don't need converts, they come on their own. mom died peacefully in my arms.
@TucsonDave111 also, modern medicine, based on the religion of science, is less than 200 years old. the advances in longevity during that time might be due to some medical interventions, but also to the level of prosperity that people enjoyed during that time. nobody in their right mind right now would believe we still have that prosperity or can expect it to return anytime soon. police state eugenics plans are now turning the tables on long, healthy lives anyway.
@Marleyites You seem to be defending the garbage in this video. If you choose to do this please use factual evidence to support your assertions. I'm anxious to hear back from you.
@TucsonDave111 I didn't see anything where I defended the video. I didn't watch it. I just read the comments and replied. What assertions in relation to this video? Because I ask why creation myths are silly? That's all. I just wondered why you would believe creation (or any other "myth") would be considered silly.
@chefjimmie1 I wonder if Darwin's ideas were created and now maintained to try to discredit the "creation myths" of various cultures, in order to enable this scientific priesthood to carry the ball on our "knowledge" of the past and therefore, the present as well.
@TucsonDave1One more rational thought. What is not rational is hearing from so many witnesses that there are bones of skeletons,seeing undeniable proof and still not believing is not rational. Finally, it is not rational to continue with this conversation because you still have not answered my request for ONE medicine that we have derived from our "knowledge" of biologic evolution. I could go on and on but I will leave you with this. Punctuated equilibrium. Hocus Pocus nonsense. VERY IRRATIONAL
@chefjimmie1 hearsay is rational when there is no physical evidence? It is NOT rational.
If a group of people told you a dog ran across the street and almost got killed it would be rational to believe that story. When someone tells you that there is a giant pink hippo driving a bicycle and playing a trombone you would expect evidence. Like a first hand account. Don't BS me. The creation stories from other religion are just as silly and you don't accept them. You want an exception.
@Marleyites There are creation stories for thousands of religions. If we view them as fictional stories of the past there isn't any problem. We do have a problem when people use fictional stories from the past as factual stories that dictate how we should treat other people. The bible speaks of unicorns. Should we have laws to dictate our interaction with unicorns? It's time to grow up. We know where the sun goes at night.
@TucsonDave111 Look, Dave, I understand your skepticism. I was a skeptic myself. I thought I had all the answers until one day, I was drawn to my knees and I confessed my sins. My cup overflowed. The TRUTH came to me in such abundance that I couldn't contain it. I don't mean that all this info came to me at that time but the truth of who I am and who God is flooded over me. I was a child at that time, raised by liberal parents who weren't crazy about having a "born again" fanatic son so I had no
@TucsonDave111 roots. I fell into the world and all through my 20's I served my selfish desires. About19 years ago, God came back into my thoughts and called me out of the world to serve Him. I have been serving Him ever since. The more time goes by, the more I learn and the more faith I have. I prayed to know the truth. I knew that what we are being taught and the things we are told by all sorts of media are not entirely true. I am constantly amazed at how much truth is being hidden from us.
@chefjimmie1 Not only is what the media tells us NOT true, but the same for schools - churches - politics. The whole enchilada has been corrputed. Science is a joke for simpletons to eat up like it was true. Nassim Haramein unifies all theories of science and has evidence to back it up, yet he's ignore (here in US, in Europe & Asia, they love him & his ideas). All of reality is hidden in this matrix, but you can see through it, as you have.
@Marleyites A physicist I am not but I can tell you that I respect the fact that Haramein has thrown doubt upon the current reality presented by modern science. I do know enough about science and physics to know that the closer we get to singularity, the more our equations break down and that is enough evidence to show me that the God of the bible is behind EVERYTHING. We live in a digital "simulation" and there is a HIGHER dimension beyond the macro AND the micro and this is where God lives.
@chefjimmie1 Exactly, chef. The closer Haramein got to singularity, the easier the equations, the more they made sense and backed up the theories. "Thunderbolts of the Gods" is also an excellent science documentary.
@TucsonDave111 I know you have heard of the things I am talking about and I am sure that you believe you are right in disbelieving them. As I said, I was once a skeptic. I fell so far away from God in my late teens and 20's that I became agnostic. I believed everything that the MSM had to say. It was God who called ME and the bible backs up the fact that He calls people. He called me by whispering kindly to my conscience. How He calls others, I don't know. I just know that He called me in love,
@chefjimmie1 When we know the bible was written by men, it's clearly old stories used to control man. It supports horrible acts like rape murder genocide. Why wouldn't you choose a mythical deity that supports kindness and doesn't require you kiss his ass everyday. Why would the perfect god of the bible want everyone worshiping him every day? That sounds like he has some mental issues.
@TucsonDave111 and in retrospect, it almost feels like I didn't have a choice. You're an intelligent man, why don't you begin to have a look into these things in a way that you never have? Pretend like every single thing you have learned and now believe is up for debate and then go and find PROOF of those things before you accept them as fact. Did you ever READ the bible or do you just take someone else's opinion about what it says. Read the entire Gospel of John CAREFULLY and if you do that,
@chefjimmie1 Why does your loving god allow 9 million children under the age of 5 to die every year because they don't have food, clean water and basic health care? Have you looked at all of the studies that show the least religious countries have the most prosperous and healthy life styles? Less crime, less drug abuse, less STD, less teen pregnancy, better healthcare. The most religious always score poorly. Like in the US where the highest teen pregnancy rate in in the middle of the bible belt
@chefjimmie1 Have you ever done a horizontal reading of M M L J? The details of the stories aren't the same. Times, Dates, who was there, what they saw.
Again I could use your same tact to prove that Harry Potter is a real person and has supernatural powers. Honest critical thinking is based on evidence and logic. Anything else is a hollow assertion and has no weight.
@TucsonDave111 and you are HONEST about giving your best attention to understanding what it says, I would love to talk to you about it afterwards. I have done all of the investigating that I am suggesting to you. I have looked at both sides of this argument. I know what I believe and I know WHY I believe it and I did not learn everything overnight. Make an HONEST investigation is all I ask of you and any other skeptic. I have devoted 15 years studying. Can you devote a couple hours? Read John.
@chefjimmie1 I've read enough of the bible to know it isn't the word of any god. It's the word of man. The bible doesn't have a clear message. There are over 33000 different groups of Christians based on the "word" of God. For a perfect entity he's a bit of a screw up when it comes to communications. BTW: I pointed out specific reasons how we know the Noah flood did not take place last night.. Were you going to try to answer them?
@TucsonDave111 The bible says that Noah was "perfect" in his generations, meaning that he and his family were the few that had not "mixed their seed" with the Sons of God of Genesis 6. This is very bizarre and interesting but read the book of Enoch for more on the Nephelim and the Giants. Before the flood men were very evil. There have been thousands of giant human skeletons found in the last 200 years some up to 30 feet tall! Somehow, they all get lost. (destroyed) doesn't fit evo theory.
@chefjimmie1 Suggesting to a skeptic that the bible is proof of the bible is a short trip. then you make reference to giants because they don't fit with evolution.. Oh, all physical evidence for any giants doesn't exist either.. But it's true.. really.
If I was a psychotic prick that wanted to scare 100 people to change their behavior I'd kill one or 2. I wouldn't kill 99 people to teach the last one a lesson.
@TucsonDave111 The physical evidence exists but it remains hidden. There is a whole world of information that would help us discover the TRUTH of history but it is covered up. Some have uncovered bits of it but most is destroyed. There is testimony from a former employee of the Smithsonian that an entire barge of giant skeletons was towed out to sea and sunk. There is a place in Grand Canyon where thousands of giant skeletons were found and furthermore, there was Egyptian Hieroglyphs in caves
@TucsonDave111 Again, the Hebrew translation of the word "perfect" means that his DNA and his original genetic makeup had not been corrupted. The rest of the world was corrupted by the Sons of God who left their place and "corrupted themselves" with human women. These were angels called Nephilim. With the evidence available to the everyday scientist, many facts are hidden that explain the history of giants (the offspring of the Nephilim) so much study is required. I have done years of digging.
@chefjimmie1 Again. You're using the bible in a attempt to prove the bible is true. I could use the exact same logic to prove that Harry Potter is real. Evidence is what we base rational decisions on. Where are the remains of these Giants?
@Marleyites Really? Why do we keep hearing these stories but no one has any physical evidence? There are stories that they've found these giant remains all over the planet. But no museums, Geologists, anthropologists, etc ever have any physical evidence? Why would someone believe this without evidence?
@TucsonDave111 There's physical evidence, we just don't hear about it or if we do, people with an agenda of some sort deny it rather than having open mind. I don't know if giants are true or not. Or reptilians. But I know that giants of evil have taken over and are manipulating humans, destroying our culture and link to the earth and each other. Symbolically or materially, the giant bad guys and reptilians exist.
@Marleyites Wow.. You've made some dramatic assertions and stated that you "know" these things. What evidence have you looked at to make these determinations? Again, demonstrable evidence, not myths, stories but evidence.
@Marleyites Making silly statements like "scientific priesthood" is quite silly. You're asserting that science is corrupt and isn't telling us the true story. The mechanism you're using to assert this is a product of science. So what do you think the truth of our origins is and what evidence are you using to come to that conclusion?
@TucsonDave111 the mechanism I'm using is a product of human imagination. why do I believe is the truth of our origins and what evidence? we don't have enough information to determine that yet, as only half the story has ever been told. besides, you don't offer any evidence for your assertions, you just argue your religion. listen to Terence McKenna & Dr. Rupert Sheldrake & Nassim Haramein & Bob Marley. That's what I believe.
I think its simply the case that the course of human history has been miscalculated. I believe we did evolve, but that we evolved to a highly intelligent state a lot longer back in time than we credit ourselves for. Current examples include the temple at Gobekli tepe (12,000 years old). Isn't it simply that we lost our ancient knowledge? Possibly due to a disastrous event that wiped out the majority of the population and academics e.g a sudden climate change, disease, famine?
proteoid 4 days ago
sry thats discovered, its dark lol
SE09uk 1 week ago
if the bird at 29 mins had been descoverd 200 years ago, or 200 years from now, what would it have been
SE09uk 1 week ago
same old same old pyramid selling techniques, we can sell you the book, the mug, the t-shirt & the video series. .. .. & the Ark was a Sumerian story on much older cuneiform tablets. .
HeLpLOstGOdAny1 1 week ago
23:04 i dont see Antartica on this landmass map. And WHOA! at the 28:30 mark
JUST WHOA! the egyptian pyramids are childs play compared to the Chinese ones. UNREAL!
Thanks for this upload!
realistromeo 1 week ago
Truth draws out the very evil dwelling deep in some hearts as well demonstrated below.
kyddth 2 weeks ago
@kyddth ... Very well put... I agree.
hummingbirdhoneybear 2 weeks ago
You remind me of a Guy i knew that was homosexually raped as a kid. in his early 20s he cut his nuts off & his lack of normal testosterone effected his ability to reason clearly. Are you now or have you ever been confined to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation, you should consider it. Perhaps you are just suffering from depression.
marklmansfield 1 month ago
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@marklmansfield -You remind me of some fcuk called "MarklMansfield" who sucked his own nuts off performing Tantric Yoga alone one night so like I-was just saying before not being so rudely interrupted "MARKY-POO" your god & your Satan are the same so fcuk your god & fcuk your Satan & fcuk your angels & fcuk your demons & fcuk your heaven & fcuk your hell & your paradise & your Hades & FU2 Langley Troll.
Christ still totally rocks & Christianity sucks & I-mock's you. (Snicker)
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@marklmansfield don't fall to their level of name calling. for if they knew what they were doing they would never do or say things to hurt anyone!
pgruben 1 week ago
The omnipotent omniscient omnipresent cosmic-magician delusion used to be the only game in town because that's the only game the Great White Brotherhood members of Solomon's 1200 offspring would allow pre-Masonic leaders of Jew Christian & Muslim to teach & preach yet the patriarch & prophet Abram sat down & shared a meal with 3 physical 'LORDS' who represented 'ONE ENLIL LORD' of all other high tech physical 'ENLIL' & they even used IVF to give Sarah Isaac & did the same for Mary & our Christ.
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
I like this video, at least they did some research before they did this video and is worth looking at more of Jonathan's work
DieterSoegemeier 1 month ago
I'm obliged to more precisely define the speaker's loose use of the word "WISE" in reference to Solomon because the O\T records he built altars to "MOLECH" which involved ritual sexual-death of children but also adults & they were literally then cooked & eaten.
Is that truly wise you people?
Look to Christ where he stated Children of this world are "WISER" in their generation than the "CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" & remember Stephen's brave witness in Acts 7 so was Was Solomon really wise?
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@spacelizardlaw Scripture & Verse Please. Your making some preety wild spectulations there. & No, Just because someone said that someone said, dosent make it so
marklmansfield 1 month ago
@marklmansfield ... Look it up yourself... Use a concordance... Please...
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@spacelizardlaw I believe the burden of proof is on you, your the one making the accusations. You may be confusing Solomon with Manassah, a King who ruled about 400 yrs. later. The nation as a whole,began imatiating the nations around them & were severely punished by God for it.
marklmansfield 1 month ago
@marklmansfield -It's said "None so blind as they who will not see" but maybe those who don't have the balls & brains to question a precious status quo 'CAN'T' see even if they wanted to & are even blinder.
References to Solomon & his altars for Molech worship are all right there in scripture because brave Jews fought to keep them there so look it up yourself & read the Jew Stephen's bold witness before Saul of Tarsus had him murdered & as for Molech cannibalism use the internet.
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@spacelizardlaw insults get you know where & the web is full of self-appointed prophets.[does the shoe fit?] All I asked for is the chapter & verse you were reffering to. [btw 1 kings 11:7,8] If you cannot find me a verse which specifically says Solomon "sacrificed children", beware that you maybe a "slander" & worse a "Flase Prophet".
marklmansfield 1 month ago
@marklmansfield ... Wanker...
"Old King-Sol was a merry old-Sol, & a merry old-Sol was he...
He built an altar for Molech worship just so he could see...
He never used-it, child abused-it, it was all done just for show...
Other Kings just did that shite, so that they could know…
So... Old King-Sol was a merry old-Sol who was wise & pure & free...
Your preacher told you the bible sold you, that's how it must be"...
(Sung to the music of the bible hymn Old King Cole)
Wanker...
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@marklmansfield -According to Christ "CHILDREN OF THIS WORLD" like Solomon the little flower are wiser in their generation than "CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" & would your mind be capable of expanding to the point where you can question anything without attacking it?
Now you found the verse keep looking for the others that speak of Kings causing their children to "PASS THRU THE FIRE" (They cooked & ate them) which is the other reference to Molech worship then use the internet.
Fool.
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@spacelizardlaw Let me get this straight; "You were in darkness, misled, decived: but you watched videos & now you are enlightened". That does not even make sense. Truth is, You are as BLIND as ever, & you have just cast off One PUPPETMASTER for a new One. I feel tike I am having a conversation with a 17yr old Kid, who has been huffing Gasoline. Your Non-logic is based on Conjucture, Innuendo & Speculation.
marklmansfield 1 month ago
@marklmansfield ... I'm not quite sure how to say this but the man who raised me would have said something simple like "Fcuk-off you Langley Pagan Troll twit" so Yeah "Fcuk off you little Langley Pagan-puppet Troll twit" & spin on it until it smokes...
Thankfully Trolls are dumber than computer programs...
You act as stupid & deceived as the Christians are
Misquote-me all you wish as I-doubt it matters...
The New World Order will cherish your work...
(Snicker) (Snicker) (Snicker)
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
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@marklmansfield ... Just for the record...
Your god & your Satan are the same...
Fcuk your god & your Satan too...
Fcuk your angels & demons...
Fcuk your heaven & hell...
Fcuk Paradise & Hades...
And FU2 Langley Troll..
Christ totally rocks...
(I-mock's you 2)
(Snicker)
spacelizardlaw 1 month ago
@marklmansfield isn't the world governed on conjecture, innuendo and speculation...? and isn't it with those three describing words the reason we will and do go to war over?
I think the whole word has gone mad... so mad that crazy people do not know they are crazy because our leaders are as dumb as door knobs on a window and spin us all a very distorted view of our history!
God=Sun and we are not the apex of civilisation. Those that came before were more evolved than we can ever be!
blancogurrl 1 week ago 2
@blancogurrl Great talk!
kaostwenty2 1 day ago
Bible written by human like you . God not exist.
Bagatan63 1 month ago
..Interesting Vid....the hidden history of the world.
vachief 1 month ago
Modern science and medicine saved by brother's life, my sister's life and saved my own life 2 times. It also saved my sister -in -law's life this past summer. She was on her bicycle and hit by a large SUV. Healthcare in the US is very broken. But that doesn't mean all of the science is wrong. Again, I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your mother.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 thank you for your kind words about my mom. i foiled the plot to put mom in a nursing home then at the end I was fighting hospice because she didn't want that. but nobody but me cared about what she wanted and i was thrown out of my family for it. they wantednursing home. yes, trauma surgery is a great medical advancement. i agree.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Hang in there. In 2007 I lost my dad. My oldest brother took him in and cared for him until he passed instead of a home. I've always felt bad that I didn't visit more in the last couple months. My best friend and dad passed 6 days apart.
For some time I felt adrift. The only suggestions I might have would to be look at the big picture and be honest with yourself about life and the universe. (sounds silly)
I hope you make it through this tough time with a minimum of grief.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 hanging by a thread. trying suicide by cigarette but it's a long term proposition. immediate relief is elusive. yt videos and general paralysis seem the order of most days. sorry about your dad. mom had few visitors in the last times. i was always here now i wish i'd spent more time actually wit her but she liked fox news and it gives me anxiety so I hid out from it. in last days we slept together so i could hear if she had trouble. those the best times of all.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Hang in there. You're mom would want you go go on living and find some happiness. Be strong.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Dave, don't give any thought to not visiting your dad as much; it's an endless cycle. I was here and now wish I'd spent even MORE time together. There's never enough time together, no matter how much you visit. Thank you again for your kindness. I read the article you mentioned earlier. People living longer, the reasons are guesswork and vary. medical doesn't seem to factor until 20th cent. who knows.
Marleyites 1 month ago
It was identified AS A SPARKPLUG from an early ford. A mechanic versed in antique autos identified it with one look. Like the hammer embedded in ancient rock, it turns out to be a modern object encrusted in natural calcification that some wishful thinking amateur claims is proof of time travel, aliens, or dinosaurs that played with X-Boxes. Make sure your Bug Powder doesn't smell of tainted cheese before you rub it on your lips.
OsunThyruss 1 month ago
you cannot date rocks!
IAMTHESHITEHAWK 2 months ago in playlist shit
brilliant
MrBillBlitz 2 months ago
Jonathan Gray came public with many very interesting findings. Anyone can say he is wrong, but without pointing out the so called "errors", people like TucsonDave look like jealous idiots trying to elevate themselves unjustly. I am a very well educated man and and have a very high standard of reasoning. In my view, Jonathan Gray simply tells his truth, and I for one will listen.
JohnDoHerty2012 2 months ago
Thanks for the upload!! how can I get my hands on the material that he showed in the end??
Myaucat 2 months ago
Wether you believe all the conclusions in this program or not, the ammount of evidence pointing to the fact that what we are been told about the history of the world is not true is becoming more and more obvious as the days go by. Things are getting hidden from us, they attack anyone telling us about things, calling them nuts and cookes, ignoring evidence. Just saying, there is a lot more that is going on in this world than they allow us to know, and a lot of it is not for our good.
Paultootall1971 2 months ago
Thank you very for uploading!
Alberad08 2 months ago
Love and Light
nickeyfumi 2 months ago
I believe it was Dawkins that said if we can find human skeletons out of place in the fossil record ,then evolution would be falsified,well it's already happened a few times.Even the many ooparts show us that something is super fishy.
CBALLEN 2 months ago
liberals opinions can NEVER be taken seriously because they debate out of hate for the one true GOD JEHOVAH!
sjdss 2 months ago
@sjdss Just a casual comment, if you don't mind. Jehovah is not a God, but the son of an extraterrestrisl. Jehovah was the son of Enlil. Enki, and Enlil were brothers. Jehovah had power, but did not possess enough power to create the Universe in its' entirety. Just like there is no proof 1 person built the pyramids of Giza, the same goes for the Universe. "GOD" in the correct sense, is the mastermind(s) behind the organism called our Universe. But you have to start somewhere.
seapeddler 2 months ago
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I'm not selling anything…I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.
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peopledick 2 months ago
I had a feeling this would end with Christian Propaganda. It's incredibly ironic that a Christian is proposing that humans have been smart from the beginning, when they are by far the dumbest, most uniformed people on Earth. Thumbs down !
AutumnEnergy1 2 months ago
@AutumnEnergy1 Wow! really???? than how much dumber, and less informed are you, if you come to watch their videos LOL???? Don't answer that, I already know, besides that, i do not converse with fools, wrote only for the sake of those who come here looking for the truth.
0450marlin 2 months ago
@AutumnEnergy1 At the moment we seem to have a systematic dumbing down of people. The 18th, 19th and 20th centuries saw a blooming of knowledge in the world as we hit the industrial age, people diets improved and the population got increasing freedoms. Now we have incresing velvet glove slavery (debt slavery) flouride in water and mercury in vaccines to dumb people down, by design. Mankind in been stunted by design, research it, wish I was wrong.
Paultootall1971 2 months ago
@Paultootall1971
I wish you were wrong too. But I know you are right.
AutumnEnergy1 2 months ago
@Paultootall1971 Charlotte Iserbyt, whistleblower who wrote "Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" was on Alex Jones today. She's updated her book and it's on her site for free download (I think, it used to be anyway). I wish you were wrong, too. You're not. Also, I'm afraid the policy behind dumbing down is only the tip of the iceberg.
Marleyites 1 month ago
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JohnWesleyMethodism 3 months ago
Anyone using "friends..." as much as this guy does is suspect though I'm with him on most of this stuff. The question is...are we already in Hades and all these anomolies of history and artifact purposefully created to forever drive us crazy?
birchnbark 3 months ago
Sounded rational until the 19th minute where he mentions the great flood which occured after the 1000 mile water vapour canopy which used to surround the earth & protect it from high energy particles fell which was over 400,000 years ago.
The OT part of the bible is largely but not wholly myth which doesn't make it false & you can easily explain the story of the ark as being completely bloody impossible from the point of logistics for food & water however the real ark was high-tech providence.
spacelizardlaw 3 months ago
jack ass!!!
firefirefuneralpyre 3 months ago
you still suck,and so does your channel,moron.
firefirefuneralpyre 3 months ago
give yourself a chance
senorcartgadge 3 months ago
After watching this video - I can see no evidence of inaccurate statements - I have seen other sources that corroborate the information stated here - most folks seeing this and other similar videos have been brainwashed by our ever growing atheist society. The physical and historical evidence is obvious and undeniable - I encourage everyone to seek the truth by your own research - don't believe what you are being taught regarding these issues by people with long titles after their names...
MrMcdave714 3 months ago
thank you
senorcartgadge 3 months ago
He’s really stretching a lot of details to fit his pre determined conclusions.
This has so many errors and assumptions in it I don’t even know where to begin.
I’m hoping that whoever posted this was doing it as satire.
TucsonDave111 3 months ago
@TucsonDave111 Dave just give one error. Be specific and give the exact time segement of the video where the claimed error is made so that all and anyone can check out your claim.
MrLimeyBob 3 months ago 18
@MrLimey Bob For starters this guy believes in the Noah flood. An entire world of geologists have looked for any evidence that could actually support that possibility. It didn’t happen. At the same time Egypt and China were building cities, teaching, learning and recording their history with no mention of a flood. At 11:58 he states that “all cultures began suddenly and fully developed.” So all working professional anthropologists and archeologists are wrong? He makes hollow assertions
TucsonDave111 3 months ago
@MrLimeyBob right when he brought up the bible.
hardeep1singh 3 months ago
@TucsonDave111 jerk off!!
firefirefuneralpyre 3 months ago
@firefirefuneralpyre Sorry, Are you attempting to show your intellect in your reply to my statements or are you offering to perform type sexual act? If it’s the latter I’ll choose to pass. It doesn’t sound like my cup of tea. If it’s the former I’d suggest you review the video and attempt to come up with an actual argument. Third option. You really don't want any honesty or critical thinking? It's all about believing in your delusion. Please let me know which it is. Thanks.
TucsonDave111 3 months ago
@TucsonDave111 Are you a studied, qualified archaeologist, acquainted with ALL the relevant areas and topics discussed in this video; not to speak of ALL the correlating areas of archaeology, natural science, history and criminology? Because if you aren't: Shut up.
87solarsky 2 months ago
@87solarsky Have you really considered the foundation of your argument? It goes something like this. Before you can accept the advice of a physician, you too must be a licensed physician.
If you actually have any verifiable evidence that has passed peer review study from the scientific community that supports your position I’d love to see it. FYI: Telling someone who opposes your position to "shut up" with no evidence doesn’t really help your cause. It exposes how desperate you are.
TucsonDave111 2 months ago
@TucsonDave111 -> Go watch Ben Stein's movie "Expelled - No intelligence allowed". Should sort you out about the reality of the scientism gulag. So get educated without the establishments idea of how intelligibility needs to be narrowed down to mere superstition!
87solarsky 2 months ago
@87solarsky I did watch Expelled. Have you done any research that exposes all the lies in that movie. It was yet another a feeble attempt based on lies to support their god myth. Did you look at both sides? I'm guessing you just watched the movie without validating if any of it was true or not. You took it on "faith". Belief without evidence. How can faith be good? Religion has stifled education and learning. That's what you're trying to do too.
TucsonDave111 2 months ago
@87solarsky scientism gulag! I love it. Very accurate. I don't believe in peer review process. merely a bunch of brainwashed priests of science patting each other on the back for following their religious dogma.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 "It exposes how desperate you are." It exposes what an idiot you are. Have a nice death, you fool. Time's too precious for any more typing regarding you!
87solarsky 2 months ago
@87solarsky By simply calling me names and threatening me instead of having an actual argument is very telling for anyone who looks at this thread objectively. I choose to live in reality. I think living within a delusion can be dangerous. If you really believe in your god try this. If you are very ill or have a serious accident. Instead of seeking medical attention just pray. In that scenario we'll see how much you "really" believe in your god.
TucsonDave111 2 months ago
@TucsonDave111 If you're sick or injured, anything would be better than going to a doctor. Prayer, witch doctors, shamans, talismans, anything at all. Stay away from doctors and the so-called "medical" industry, especially their vaccines and drugs.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites What data are you using to come to this conclusion? There are at least 2 times in my life I would have died without modern healthcare and quick action from doctors. My sister is a cancer survivor. Provide some data to support this crazy notion.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Why? Because it flies in the face of the theory of Evolution and Abiogenesis and the ideas that have been embraced and taught in our schools as fact which actually require more faith to believe in than the idea of Intelligent Design? Not a satire, try the TRUTH!
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Because it flies in the face of all demonstrable evidence. If you REALLY believe what your saying you also have to turn your back on modern medicine. A majority of medicines used today have been created based on our knowledge of our biologic evolution. When you're injured or sick will you go to a hospital or church? Not to mention you can't believe this crap when they claim the Noah flood was real. We're not children. Facts and the Truth matter.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Name one medicine that was created based on our knowledge of our biologic evolution (sic) Please name just ONE and show exactly how it has been created based on our knowledge of something that didn't even happen. Why can't the flood be real? Because you were told? Look at the Grand Canyon. Are you going to tell me that that tiny river carved out all of that debris, and where is all the debris by the way? Can't answer that, can you?
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Most antibiotics are changing every year because of the evolution of the antibodies. That's why antibiotics we used in the past don't work today. Regarding the flood It's been proven by all "real" geologists that it was created over thousands of years. Not to mention other Noah flood problems. Not enough water on earth. How did Noah get animals from other continents? Feeding animals, It would take about 80 tons of food to feed a pair of elephants for a year. I'll continue, pt 2.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 It would take about 80 tons of food to feed a pair of elephants for a year." Ah, yes it would take that much to feed ADULT elephants but common sense would say, "I better take SMALL animals, i.e. BABY animals...they might be easier to take care of and eat and poo a lot less. They would also live longer after the flood insuring a long life of reproduction. Sorry, "REAL geologists, just somehow doesn't work for me. Where do you think the debris went? Really, they can't find it.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Elephants take years to mature. "Baby" Elephants could not mature and learn from the heard and survive. Regarding the debris from the Grand canyon. Whether the debris was removed in 1 year or 100000 years the debris is gone. Can you provide a single scientific study from a working geologist that suggests the Grand Canyon was a product of the noah flood? You've ignored the fact there isn't enough water on earth.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 There are billions of life forms on earth if you count bacteria. How did Noah and his family get all of these life forms on the arc? How did they feed them?
There were many other cultures that were thriving during the Noah flood time line that report no flood. for instance it took place during the building of the Pyramids in Egypt. China has great historical records and show no "Global flood". So lets hear it.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 There is only speculation about the time line of the flood, many of the cultures that were silent about it came about years after the flood.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Nice call. Ignore the timeline laid out by the bible for the flood. Us the bible when it's convenient.. Ignore it when the text in the bible shows it's crap.
Where did all the water come from? Where did it go? Now you're going to tell me that rape and slavery in the bible are moral.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 And how about this. What was the moral lesson of the Noah flood? A loving omnipotent, omniscient benevolent god commits Genocide except for 8 people because he's unhappy with the way humans are acting. He is all knowing, he knows what they were going to do. He killed pretty much everyone that could have learned a lesson from his psychopathic rage. Where is the moral lesson? He killed everyone, children, animals.. etc.. That is sick..
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 So, your problem is with God. Just kidding, I knew that from reading your other posts. I'll make this short and then it's nite nite time for me. "billions of life forms on earth, how did Noah get them all on arc." If you read the account of the flood in Genesis, it says, "take every animal with the breath of life in it's NOSTRILS" so that excludes even the insects, they survived the same way they do every winter. Still waiting for that medicine they crafted using bio evolution.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 So how did Noah get Penguins. How did he get snakes that only live in South america? This is a cop out. Even if you only take animals with Nostrils they could not have gotten the animals or fed them. Every time a theist has to look at the problems with this and other biblical stories they ignore the questions and/or make up excuses. Then the classic.. Run away.. the evil atheist is using facts at me.. My blind faith does not compute.. AAaaaaaaaahaah
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 No cop out, Noah records, "and the animals went in two by two UNTO Noah into the ark, the male and the female,... Gen. 7:9 (emph. mine) The animals were SENT to Noah, the bible says. I think a Sovereign God that knows the number of hairs on your head and mine and calls all the stars by name and knows everything about everything could arrange that without too much difficulty.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 So how did snails and freshwater mammals from the Americas and Australia get to Noah? You've still ignored the historical record from many cultures.
So god knows the hair on our heads but thought bats were birds. He thinks unicorns are real? If he is all powerful why didn't he just snap his fingers and start over? If he is perfect why didn't he know what humans would do?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Before the flood, the world was very different. There were land bridges after the flood. Who said God think bats were birds? He could snap His fingers and start over but this is His plan. Suppose you made a clay pot but it was crooked, you fired it anyway but it was clearly flawed. You liked it and decided to keep it. After you glaze it, does that pot say to you "why did you allow me to exist?" God does know everything. He ALLOWS evil and mistakes and fits them into His plan.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 The bible says bats are birds. Ever read it? The mental gymnastics you have to pull to try to make any sense of this is amazing. I really want you to answer this next question. If I used the same level of myth and provide no evidence would it make you believe that Scientology was true and real?
Why does god allow evil to exist? He's god he could have stopped it.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 WHERE does the bible say bats are birds? Chapter and verse please. And....Yes, I have read the bible and I read it EVERYDAY. The evidence for giants is in photos but the skeptics cop out and say that every one of them is photoshopped. You can look at them and see that most of them are REAL PHOTOS with real corroborating scale items in them to see that they weren't fakes. I am not saying that some of them weren't faked, they were but hardly ALL of them faked. Look them up.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Leviticus 11:13-19 And these you shall detest among the birds; they shall not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the bearded vulture, the black vulture, the kite, the falcon of any kind, every raven of any kind, the ostrich, the nighthawk, the sea gull, the hawk of any kind, the little owl, the cormorant, the short-eared owl, the barn owl, the tawny owl, the carrion vulture, the stork, the heron of any kind, the hoopoe, and the bat. Giants, where are the bones?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 The translation from the Hebrew means "winged creatures". They translated it as birds. This is why you don't believe in God, because the translators of the OT included bats among the birds? You are regurgitating Richard Dawkins and other God haters who have combed through the bible trying to refute it. Seems like that is what it boils down to. Have a happy new year and read the Gospel of John. Then look me up. This is Jim....OUT.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Amazing. You didn't answer a single question I had from your assertions. No evidence at all from you. I asked direct questions that were relevant to the point. If there were real answers you could have made a case. Instead you tell me to read you book of fairy tales and run away to hide. Not rational, not honest and quite pathetic.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 I've seen photos of giants. I can't tell if they are real or not. I've seen photos of things that look real and I know they're not. So you base your belief on photos which no scientist would suggest are true with no physical evidence. When scientist show fossils of transitional forms you deny they exist. You can to to museums and see them. But no evidence for giants and you believe in them to support your belief. That is not rational.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 What is not rational is believing that everything came into existence by chance with no intelligent outside force involved. What is not rational is believing that man evolved (and so did everything else) from lower forms of life when there are NO TRANSITIONAL skeletons. Lucy? her bones were found scattered over acres. A fine example of evolution was Nebraska man-a whole skeleton put together from a tooth later found to be of a pig! There would be MORE trans skeletons than human.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Aaaah. Even though we do have hundreds of transitional fossils that can be seen in public museums you deny they exist. BTW: no scientists ever said Nebraska man was a transitional find. It was shown to be an error very quickly. But creationists love to bring it up because they have no real bullets in their gun. This is denial. Are you going to suggest that dinosaurs were on the planet 6 to 10K years ago?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Let's not forget about Piltdown Man. THE missing link for over 50 years, only to be found a hoax. The list goes on. They are so desperate for proof, they MANUFACTURE IT! In Origin of Species, Darwin uses the phrases "supposing that" and "assuming that" over 6000 times. He admitted that if no trans skels were found, his theory would be a bust. To date, we have ZERO. Believing in a theory that has ZERO proof is not rational. At least the bible has prophecies that have come true.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Another example of science fixing itself. BTW. Go do a museum and see the fossils. You keep denying they exist but you won't look at them. Ambulocetus, Tiktaalik, both very interesting. We know the creation story can't be true because we know the age of the earth. We have fossils that are millions of years old. You're going to suggest your position is rational? Choose 1 of 1000's of creation myths and ignore science. Clear denial.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Is this the same science that tells us cannabis has no accepted medical value and is highly addictive? mmhmm. thought so. sounds like your religion of science is as wacky as you claim other religions are.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites I've never seen a peer reviewed scientific paper that says cannabis is generally harmful. If you can reference any of these published papers I'd love to see them. I have seen corrupt politicians that have sold out to Pharmaceutical companies that make this assertion. Ironically almost all of these corrupt scumbags are Christians.
Science is not a religion. Science is lead by demonstrable evidence not dogma. Do you understand what unbiased honest thought is?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 I don't put much stock into peer review publications. But the corrput politicians claim to have science as basis, with no outcry from scientific community dedicated to proving the truth of the matter, even with the cost in lives and money so extraordinary. I don't know about christian claims. most people to claim christianity as far as I can tell do not follow true christian principles but follow dogma and social ideals instead.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites You don't put much stock in peer review publications??? You clearly don't know how the scientific method works. You're also using the technology provided by the scientific method but claim it' can't be trusted. Computers, central heating, cars... You also claim that most who claim to be Christian aren't really. I assume you claim to be one of the "real" Christians?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Your assumptions again, are wrong. I believe science, medicine, education, politics ... all a big load of crap for those who buy into the scheme. creating a new technology or gadget does not depend on scientific method. I don't believe in peer review process as it's just the scientific priesthood tooting its own horn in matters it wants disclosed. just as you follow this religion and priests, I dismiss it as another phoney fraud on we the people.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 I know exactly how scientific method works. you make alot of assumptions and judgments. and you claim scientific method creates products? you fundamentalist religious types just crack me up. spouting your dogma without even knowing what you're talking about. evangelizing upon mythical notions. at least in my myths, it's used to help and heal people.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites You keep doing nothing but making assertions with no data or evidence. I'm not religious at all. What are you even trying to suggest? You're either lacking mentally or you're just trolling. If you actually have something you'd like to discuss I'd love to hear it.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Of course you're religious, you've written plenty about your religion - science. You say it's scientific method that invented products when anyone with half a brain knows that it's human imagination that creates. Scientific method doesn't create anything - it can't it's just a fraudulent method for corralling simpletons who won't think for themselves.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites You are quite deluded. I pointed out how science has brought us technology like computers. We see the results of science. you did a pathetic tap dance around this point. Religion is dogmatic belief based on faith and no evidence. These things are quite different. Are you going to suggest that we would still have computers, air travel, space travel, etc without science?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 And I pointed out the fatal flaw in your reasoning - it wasn't science at all that produced those things you list - it was human imagination.
You don't have any more evidence of your religion, science, than any other religious fundamentalist, no matter what the creed. If science wants to be relevant, it better stop lying to people like you who swallow the whole load without thinking. Too many people are seeing it now. And I'm done with you. Too slow.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Yes, it was human imagination. Oh.. and these humans were using the scientific method to gain understanding about what they were seeing. How can you say this isn't true. Be honest. Do you think we'd have computers without lab's and scientists that use the scientific method? Please answer. At this point I'm going to make a guess. You are a christian. Probably a fundamentalist. Most likely a Young earth creationist. Am I close?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 yes, I think we'd have computers and much more without scientific method. sorry, I'm none of those things you listed at all. I'm an old lady and I don't have a religion. I am Rastafari, though, and follow a simple life inspired by Bob Marley.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites If you think we'd have the technology like computers, space travel, etc without the scientific method you're quite deluded in my opinion.
Lets try this. Name a single advanced technology we use today that wasn't the byproduct of a scientific study and development.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 you've called me "deluded" already. you ask the most ridiculous questions and fail to answer even simple ones. fail all around, you believer in the religion of science. even as you bow to these false gods, what good are space travel or advanced technology if we are slaves? "no chains around my feet but I'm not free"
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites You've made an assertion science isn't responsible in any way for the technologies we have today. I've asked you for a single example that would backup your assertion. No you tell me that I've asked a ridiculous question?
My apologies if I missed any specific questions. Would you mind asking them again?
Can you point out any modern advanced technology we use that didn't come from science??? My question is directly tied to your assertion. Why is it ridiculous?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Science is a religion or concept that people believe (have faith) in. Science changes from moment to moment. One minute a particular scientific concept is in vogue, the next minute gone or changed. Science told us it's a good idea to put mercury in peoples' mouths. Science tells us the way to treat cancer is by poison-radiation-mutilation (surgery) when other science & personal experience show cannabis resin as curing cancer. In Jamaica black magic known as science.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Wow. You've completely avoiding the question that is at the core of your assertion. Any chance you want to have an honest discussion or are you going to continue to move the goal post? Can you point out any modern advanced technology we use that didn't come from science??? My question is directly tied to your assertion. Why is it ridiculous?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 I just pointed one out. cannabis resin extract. modern technology. not from the religion of science.
why is it a ridiculous question? because science cannot invent anything. the process can support an idea or invention, but technology never produces anything. only people do. science-technology only gives framework. not the art in the frame. that's from people, from wherever imagination and novelty come from.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Do you call surgical removal of cancer a "modern advanced technology"? I don't, even though it's thought of as advanced. Cannabis resin extract cures cancer and many incurables, with no harmful side effects. This discovery did not come from science, it came from one man's imagination, determination, ingenuity. And dissemination of this discovery came from others like him - devoted individuals, including some in "science" but not because of any deity called science.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites I'm not saying modern medicine is perfect. And I'd agree there are many instances where things like Cannabis can be a great medicine.
But.... The average life expectancy of a person has doubled in the last 150 years because of modern medicine and the technologies created by science like MRI, ultrasound, robotic surgery.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 says who? modern medicine bolstering its own ego? sorry, I'm not buying those numbers as being attributed to those things. doctors, modern medicine and their related institutions just killed my mother. I have researched this extensively and observed with personal, direct experience. People live longer despite modern medicine. sanitation improvement is one reason.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Again you're tap dancing around the question I answered. Says who? Do a search on "Fertility and Mortality in the United States". That give study results that show average life spans from back in the 1800s to present. There are dozens of studies if an honest person with an open mind actually cared about the facts wanted to do some research. I will agree that it is not only medicine that has increased life expectancy. But it is a critical part. I'm sorry to hear about your mother
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 there's so much bad and inaccurate study reports anymore that I just don't believe anything official. especially in regards to medical. anyway, i've found that people who love medicine aren't necessarily interested in facts, so I just give a smile and nod to their notions. I've plenty of company, people who know the truth about the medical scam, don't mind preaching to the choir. certainly don't need converts, they come on their own. mom died peacefully in my arms.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 also, modern medicine, based on the religion of science, is less than 200 years old. the advances in longevity during that time might be due to some medical interventions, but also to the level of prosperity that people enjoyed during that time. nobody in their right mind right now would believe we still have that prosperity or can expect it to return anytime soon. police state eugenics plans are now turning the tables on long, healthy lives anyway.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites You seem to be defending the garbage in this video. If you choose to do this please use factual evidence to support your assertions. I'm anxious to hear back from you.
Thanks.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 I didn't see anything where I defended the video. I didn't watch it. I just read the comments and replied. What assertions in relation to this video? Because I ask why creation myths are silly? That's all. I just wondered why you would believe creation (or any other "myth") would be considered silly.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 I wonder if Darwin's ideas were created and now maintained to try to discredit the "creation myths" of various cultures, in order to enable this scientific priesthood to carry the ball on our "knowledge" of the past and therefore, the present as well.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites I think you hit the nail on the head!
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@TucsonDave1One more rational thought. What is not rational is hearing from so many witnesses that there are bones of skeletons,seeing undeniable proof and still not believing is not rational. Finally, it is not rational to continue with this conversation because you still have not answered my request for ONE medicine that we have derived from our "knowledge" of biologic evolution. I could go on and on but I will leave you with this. Punctuated equilibrium. Hocus Pocus nonsense. VERY IRRATIONAL
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 hearsay is rational when there is no physical evidence? It is NOT rational.
If a group of people told you a dog ran across the street and almost got killed it would be rational to believe that story. When someone tells you that there is a giant pink hippo driving a bicycle and playing a trombone you would expect evidence. Like a first hand account. Don't BS me. The creation stories from other religion are just as silly and you don't accept them. You want an exception.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 creation stories have been a part of humanity since humanity began. why are they silly?
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites There are creation stories for thousands of religions. If we view them as fictional stories of the past there isn't any problem. We do have a problem when people use fictional stories from the past as factual stories that dictate how we should treat other people. The bible speaks of unicorns. Should we have laws to dictate our interaction with unicorns? It's time to grow up. We know where the sun goes at night.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
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@TucsonDave111 "The bible says bats are birds."
The word used in Hebrew that you believe meant birds,meant WINGED CREATURE.so the Bible is very reliable.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Look, Dave, I understand your skepticism. I was a skeptic myself. I thought I had all the answers until one day, I was drawn to my knees and I confessed my sins. My cup overflowed. The TRUTH came to me in such abundance that I couldn't contain it. I don't mean that all this info came to me at that time but the truth of who I am and who God is flooded over me. I was a child at that time, raised by liberal parents who weren't crazy about having a "born again" fanatic son so I had no
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 roots. I fell into the world and all through my 20's I served my selfish desires. About19 years ago, God came back into my thoughts and called me out of the world to serve Him. I have been serving Him ever since. The more time goes by, the more I learn and the more faith I have. I prayed to know the truth. I knew that what we are being taught and the things we are told by all sorts of media are not entirely true. I am constantly amazed at how much truth is being hidden from us.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Not only is what the media tells us NOT true, but the same for schools - churches - politics. The whole enchilada has been corrputed. Science is a joke for simpletons to eat up like it was true. Nassim Haramein unifies all theories of science and has evidence to back it up, yet he's ignore (here in US, in Europe & Asia, they love him & his ideas). All of reality is hidden in this matrix, but you can see through it, as you have.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites A physicist I am not but I can tell you that I respect the fact that Haramein has thrown doubt upon the current reality presented by modern science. I do know enough about science and physics to know that the closer we get to singularity, the more our equations break down and that is enough evidence to show me that the God of the bible is behind EVERYTHING. We live in a digital "simulation" and there is a HIGHER dimension beyond the macro AND the micro and this is where God lives.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Exactly, chef. The closer Haramein got to singularity, the easier the equations, the more they made sense and backed up the theories. "Thunderbolts of the Gods" is also an excellent science documentary.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 I know you have heard of the things I am talking about and I am sure that you believe you are right in disbelieving them. As I said, I was once a skeptic. I fell so far away from God in my late teens and 20's that I became agnostic. I believed everything that the MSM had to say. It was God who called ME and the bible backs up the fact that He calls people. He called me by whispering kindly to my conscience. How He calls others, I don't know. I just know that He called me in love,
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 When we know the bible was written by men, it's clearly old stories used to control man. It supports horrible acts like rape murder genocide. Why wouldn't you choose a mythical deity that supports kindness and doesn't require you kiss his ass everyday. Why would the perfect god of the bible want everyone worshiping him every day? That sounds like he has some mental issues.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 and in retrospect, it almost feels like I didn't have a choice. You're an intelligent man, why don't you begin to have a look into these things in a way that you never have? Pretend like every single thing you have learned and now believe is up for debate and then go and find PROOF of those things before you accept them as fact. Did you ever READ the bible or do you just take someone else's opinion about what it says. Read the entire Gospel of John CAREFULLY and if you do that,
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Why does your loving god allow 9 million children under the age of 5 to die every year because they don't have food, clean water and basic health care? Have you looked at all of the studies that show the least religious countries have the most prosperous and healthy life styles? Less crime, less drug abuse, less STD, less teen pregnancy, better healthcare. The most religious always score poorly. Like in the US where the highest teen pregnancy rate in in the middle of the bible belt
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Have you ever done a horizontal reading of M M L J? The details of the stories aren't the same. Times, Dates, who was there, what they saw.
Again I could use your same tact to prove that Harry Potter is a real person and has supernatural powers. Honest critical thinking is based on evidence and logic. Anything else is a hollow assertion and has no weight.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 and you are HONEST about giving your best attention to understanding what it says, I would love to talk to you about it afterwards. I have done all of the investigating that I am suggesting to you. I have looked at both sides of this argument. I know what I believe and I know WHY I believe it and I did not learn everything overnight. Make an HONEST investigation is all I ask of you and any other skeptic. I have devoted 15 years studying. Can you devote a couple hours? Read John.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 I've read enough of the bible to know it isn't the word of any god. It's the word of man. The bible doesn't have a clear message. There are over 33000 different groups of Christians based on the "word" of God. For a perfect entity he's a bit of a screw up when it comes to communications. BTW: I pointed out specific reasons how we know the Noah flood did not take place last night.. Were you going to try to answer them?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 The bible says that Noah was "perfect" in his generations, meaning that he and his family were the few that had not "mixed their seed" with the Sons of God of Genesis 6. This is very bizarre and interesting but read the book of Enoch for more on the Nephelim and the Giants. Before the flood men were very evil. There have been thousands of giant human skeletons found in the last 200 years some up to 30 feet tall! Somehow, they all get lost. (destroyed) doesn't fit evo theory.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Suggesting to a skeptic that the bible is proof of the bible is a short trip. then you make reference to giants because they don't fit with evolution.. Oh, all physical evidence for any giants doesn't exist either.. But it's true.. really.
If I was a psychotic prick that wanted to scare 100 people to change their behavior I'd kill one or 2. I wouldn't kill 99 people to teach the last one a lesson.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Gotta get sleep, not copping out, gotta get up in 5 hours. (that will give you time to think anyway. cont. tomorrow.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Have a good night. I look forward to a fact based discussion tomorrow. Thanks for being open to discussion.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 The physical evidence exists but it remains hidden. There is a whole world of information that would help us discover the TRUTH of history but it is covered up. Some have uncovered bits of it but most is destroyed. There is testimony from a former employee of the Smithsonian that an entire barge of giant skeletons was towed out to sea and sunk. There is a place in Grand Canyon where thousands of giant skeletons were found and furthermore, there was Egyptian Hieroglyphs in caves
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 How do you know physical evidence exists? Again all you have is stories with no evidence to try to support you dogmatic beliefs.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 If Noah and his family was perfect why was one of his sons mad a slave after the flood?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 Again, the Hebrew translation of the word "perfect" means that his DNA and his original genetic makeup had not been corrupted. The rest of the world was corrupted by the Sons of God who left their place and "corrupted themselves" with human women. These were angels called Nephilim. With the evidence available to the everyday scientist, many facts are hidden that explain the history of giants (the offspring of the Nephilim) so much study is required. I have done years of digging.
chefjimmie1 1 month ago
@chefjimmie1 Again. You're using the bible in a attempt to prove the bible is true. I could use the exact same logic to prove that Harry Potter is real. Evidence is what we base rational decisions on. Where are the remains of these Giants?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 some giant remains werer found in South America.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Really? Why do we keep hearing these stories but no one has any physical evidence? There are stories that they've found these giant remains all over the planet. But no museums, Geologists, anthropologists, etc ever have any physical evidence? Why would someone believe this without evidence?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 There's physical evidence, we just don't hear about it or if we do, people with an agenda of some sort deny it rather than having open mind. I don't know if giants are true or not. Or reptilians. But I know that giants of evil have taken over and are manipulating humans, destroying our culture and link to the earth and each other. Symbolically or materially, the giant bad guys and reptilians exist.
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Wow.. You've made some dramatic assertions and stated that you "know" these things. What evidence have you looked at to make these determinations? Again, demonstrable evidence, not myths, stories but evidence.
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 the REAL question: why is the scientific priesthood hiding the truth of our origins and related knowledge from us?
Marleyites 1 month ago
@Marleyites Making silly statements like "scientific priesthood" is quite silly. You're asserting that science is corrupt and isn't telling us the true story. The mechanism you're using to assert this is a product of science. So what do you think the truth of our origins is and what evidence are you using to come to that conclusion?
TucsonDave111 1 month ago
@TucsonDave111 the mechanism I'm using is a product of human imagination. why do I believe is the truth of our origins and what evidence? we don't have enough information to determine that yet, as only half the story has ever been told. besides, you don't offer any evidence for your assertions, you just argue your religion. listen to Terence McKenna & Dr. Rupert Sheldrake & Nassim Haramein & Bob Marley. That's what I believe.
Marleyites 1 month ago