Boeing 737 DVD Training Material Video ILS Approach+Landing

[pbrew85]

500 "shivers".

[MSLTUL]

Yeh, you can always easily recognize a 737 flight console by those trim wheels and the sound they make. I would think crews would get tired of that, but that's just me. I'm not a 737 pilot (and I should say that I do love the aircraft, no matter what).

[marceloquines]

fantastic video, congratulations

[eduardgodoybravo]

WELL DONE

[MrLazzly]

Boeing??? looks like an Airbus...

[yahul25]

@MrLazzly 737 NG !

[penny2g3]

that is awesome! Now i realize how realistic FSX is!!! lol.

[strongbowblade]

@penny2g3 or rather how realistic it isnt

[penny2g3]

@strongbowblade What???, other than the AARS, and the realistic pilot voices and fluency, I don't see anything different, do you?

[sterling9595mike]

hahahha just love reading from all you people who's big asperation in life is to become a truck driver.

[HeChronos]

Very cool!

[pinewood189]

i am not a retard

[sterling9595mike]

sorry @pinewood189.

me thinks thou dost protest too much.

shakespeare has you down.

[johnfoster187]

I can experience this kind of interaction or at least some of it on FSX or FS2004, using what's called "Multi Crew Experience". :-))

Google it up, LOL!

[speedierfiber]

isnt it 40 degrees of flaps on the 737 used for emergency cases... or each company have its own procedures?

[Thefaggotz]

@speedierfiber no 40 flaps is used for full ils autoland

[Muhammadz86]

can some one tell me what is that thing that keeps on winding near the throttle control??????

[Rayz95x]

That is the elevator trim

[AtlantisB737]

the stabilizer trim...that repositions the elevator as airspeed and configuration changes....

[FSX09pilot]

Nice landing!

Don't the pilots always use ILS while landing?

[nilviod45]

Nope... they use visual approach as well

[MuerteQuerida]

No, because not all airports are equipped with ILS. In addition in low traffic airports and cleared areas, is easier and faster to land visually, and the pilot controls all of the situation, for example autopilot configuration and checking is not necessary at all

[Cappadoccia04]

What are the spinning disks on both sides of the pilot and on the throttle component deck?

[sea0020]

trim

[eportboys07]

those discs are the aircrafts trim setting... it controls the elevation of the aircraft either up or down... mainly used by autopilot but is adjustable.

[gurubaba95]

its the pitch trim.its controled by the auto pilot...for Vertical speeds

[redpcr]

trim wheels

[chillbrian]

pitch trim

[prosey]

Forgot to mention that when the spolier lever is armed a Green light is illuminated to confirm this! On touch down, PF maintains directional control, pulls reversers, the auto brakes will already be working. At 60kts the reversers are slowly closed and the a/c will slow down. If the PF at anytime applied manual braking the then the auto brakes would disengage. Manual braking is applied when the a/c has slowed to a manageable speed.

[drumdude46]

the Spoilers are "Armed" by the pilot by setting the Spoiler Handle, down to a Detent, slightly Aft of Full Forward, then, when the AC touches down on the Runway, something called a "Squat Switch", that is activated by W.O.W ( weight on wheels) when the AC landing gear, depresses down from the AC's Weight upon Touchdown, activates the Hydraulic's in the Spoilers, Automatically, pushing them up into the Airstream to Aid the AC in Remaining on the Ground. Squat switch is tied to many systems.

[stratoleft]

I'd rather just pull the spoiler lever myself. The spoiler should have detent degrees of actuation as well.

[drumdude46]

all well and good my friend. my two posts below, were in answer to "someone" asking about Spoilers, and Trim Wheel function. as for "Pulling the Lever Yourself" sure. thats fine.

are you talking about in the Computer Simulator, or "Doing it for real". i believe in the "Real" aircraft, the option for "Arming" it, is best, unless your ok with "one more" task" you have to Physically perform, admid the Myriad Tasks your carrying out, at touchdown

(Reverse Thrusts Levers, Braking, etc.)

[motokid032]

There is a trim button on the Yoke right?

[flyingjumbo747]

indeed

[namabaca11]

Nice guys Nice ! Good JOB !

[pAtTs024]

I want to fly this thins.

[Covlad1985uk]

Gear down above 1,000 ft? flaps 40 must of been a windy day!

[gerarcvm]

Flaps 40??? That's weird...

[flyingjumbo747]

why that? That's not weird...

[gerarcvm]

At alteon they tought us to use Flaps 40 just in emergency and the most common landing configuration is Flaps 30, you can search and see that im true.

[abulmagd3]

is it normal to disengage the AP above 1000', why pilots are not disengaging AP just before the DH?

[froquettee]

the rule is below 1000 your autopilot should def.... be off

[rvchaitanya]

i might not necessarily agree with the answer.. thats because.. various factors attribute to when i dc the a/p. for example on an cat IIIc approach with 0 visibility .. i dare to touch the controls when the approach is being flown by the Flight Computer all the way till touch down and roll out.. so basically it depends on the situation.. hope this helps..

[yousurfer2]

what are the things that spin? would they hurt you?

[visualchaosfx]

Those are the trim wheels.

[Apollo580]

Trim wheels. And yes they would hurt.

[GameDude41]

Spinning wheels of pain and suffering.

Couldn't they think of a better way to adjust the trim than a wheel that spins like that?

[drumdude46]

Those "Wheels" are there, along with the White Stripe on the Top, to ALERT the Pilot of Trim Action Taking Place. yes, the Pilot also has a Yoke Switch near his thumb, which is how Jet Pilots 95% of the Time, activate the Trim Mechanism, but......the "Wheel" is there, for the Pilot to be able to "See and Witness" that trim action is taking place, in the event, HE DIDN'T COMMAND IT! Understand?

your welcome.

[nizz00]

and in case you have a failure where you have to trim the a/c by the wheels....but guys fly an airbus no triming just autotrim which is great believe me

[oconoor10]

para mi gusto el mejor avion

[andreytz2oo7]

why where those trim wheels doing like that ?

[blackdragon723]

mayb cos wen u add flap u add lift so u have 2 retrim

[eastcoast78]

yea the trim wheels were doing that ,cause AP (autopilot) and the Approach switch was on,ILS,he got the plane all nice and level on the GS and Course ,

notice at the 155 mark they disengage the AP with that warning sound and the Auto Throttle was turned off too,the trim wheels didn't spin

[fayik123]

i was wondering if pilots are required to do a landing in the sim training refering solely to instruments on an ils landing with a single engine with zero visibility. that must be the hardest bit you have to pass. Even though in reality they would go to the alternative airport if possible but it could happen.

[BoeingB737NG]

When reverse thrust is applied in a 737NG, the air that is pulled in through the intake is blocked off from the turbine and sent out of the sides in the oppositte direction of motion. The faster you are going the more efficient the reverser is. 737NG reversers do not destroy the engines when applied for too long as the air is pushed back before going through the turbine. There are some aircraft that use reversers to 'powerback' from the gate so I dont know where ripping up tarmac came from.

[BoeingB737NG]

Pilots may only autoland on a Cat III ILS runway. The aircraft must also have at least two simultaneous autopilot systems and a HUD. When in ILS approach configuration (CMD A and A/T(SPD MCP) with APP(VOR/LOC and G/S) the pilot must enable CMD B and wait until a white 'FLARE' appears bellow the G/S annunciation. The aircraft will then land itself, however autolands on 737NGs are typically quite rough due to late flaring.

[asia1mage]

Consequently, the low visibility operations categories Cat I, Cat II and Cat III) apply to all 3 elements in the landing the aircraft equipment, the ground environment, and the crew. The result of all this is to create a spectrum of low visibility equipment, in which an aircrafts autoland autopilot is just one component. - wikipedia

[jeffreygoddijn]

@BoeingB737NG

You can also make an autoland on a CAT I ILS approach, but only when the weather is CAT I or better.. And the landings are not rough while making an autoland.. And when making an autoland the plane already starts to flare at 50 feet, and retards the thrust at 27 feet, I normally start the flare at 20 feet...

[IntoxicatedTV]

i don't think a 37nugen uses the n2 air for reversers, i think it uses the n1 bypass air, about 30 percent, which doesn't get used for combustion

i used to work on 47classics and this was the way

i could be wrong though

[magyarmatyi]

i wan to build this , but i can't make hardwares. Somebody can help for me?

[britanniaairlines12]

those trim wheels look lethal, they will chop ya hand off ;)

[ruckelz74]

lol...is that the autopilot doing that...I thouth they moved slower.

[britanniaairlines12]

Yes, thats the auto pilot, I wouldnt liek to be flying that plane

[caillinbathern]

the trim wheels do move awfully fast and in fact most airlines have made a point of dissalowing ties for the pilots when flying so that they dont get tangled in the trim wheels.

[matt10077]

At the airport I work at we olny have a mile and 3rd of runway. Nearly all the 738's will using reverse thrust right upto untill they stop. So depending on runway lenth I'm guessing the pilot flying will deside how much they will use for a safe landing and stooping of the aircraft. But i must say ive seen 757's stop much quicker then 738's.

[terryk1233]

they can't use reverse below 60kts or else the engine will begin sucking up its own exhaust, which will cause some nasty damage.

[PressureSettings]

Plus the reverse the thrust will start ripping up the airport tarmac.

[lapacman26]

on fsx even if your landing is soft the wheels smoke??/

or is that just average??/

[boeingt]

i think even if the landing is smooth, the whells will still smoke. because the wheels arent turning before touch down, so wen they touch the ground, they slide for a moment until the wheels speed up to the ground speed of the craft. thats wen the smoke stops.

[matz951]

also think about its a 400,000 lbs object going 170 mph touching the ground

[srodriguez54]

Tire friction upon touchdown also aids in braking action.

[coolman17701]

can u have the approach button on even when you land for even better landings, or should you switch it off like 200 feet above the runway? plz reply

[pineappleboy1]

depends if you want to hand-fly the landing or autoland.

[skierplaterandy]

some planes cant land on their own, alot of them you have to manually land it, and actually few pilots (unless your in a bigger plane like the concorde) will autoland an aircraft

[pineappleboy1]

Concorde isnt big at all compared to most modern jetliners.

[JetlinerXPilotXFSX]

No, the concorde WASNT big :( Poor concorde...

[linapraca]

I didnt know what it was possible to land a plane in autopilot =O

[swtrooper11]

it is ,but not so precision.

[TwnFlyBoy747]

Ahhhhhhh the good old RCKH ILS09 approach, always land with quarterly tailwinds of 10 kts, maybe that's why the captain chose to use flaps 40

flightjimbo123 was right, autobrakes/manual brakes are the main source of slowing down the jetliners thesedays. try use only idle reversers you'll find only little difference in your landing distance

[JPChabert]

Actually, if you use the autobrakes, using reverse or not will not modify your landing distance, because the autobrake commands a rate of deceleration to the aircraft, not a certain pressure on the brakes. Using the reversers will only lessen the effort made on the brakes, thus elevating their lifetime.

[Psylover1986]

a planes stops by using the spoiler,wheelbrake and with the reverse thrust.thats it

[trifoyas]

the plane stops by the air brake and wheels brake

[sk8ersagz]

you stop the airplane by the reverse trottle right but is there like a normal breaks to stop the plane besides the reverse trottle and the autobreaks?

[ASSHOLESHITBITCXH]

spoilers anf flaps

[flightjimbo123]

Your statement is not totally accurate. The main source of deceleration is due to Auto braking/Manual braking. To assist this, Spoiler is used (usually automatically deployed). Reverse thrust is a non- mandatory source of braking - the aircraft SHOULD be able to stop without its use. However as with many systems/procedures in aviation is often used at the discretion of the pilot flying/airline ops as an extra means of decreasing the landing roll.

[flightjimbo123]

I forgot to add - flaps (and leading edge devices) are NOT considered a form of deceleration. There are there purely to increase the wings capability to fly at a safe angle of attack at the low airspeeds required for slow flight and landing (and to a degree takeoff).

[ASSHOLESHITBITCXH]

spoilers are mostly used during flight - before desending. they work very well as air resistance. also at touchdown, they minimize lift, flaps give lift at certain angle, but if it is at maximum down, they are used as air resistance.

[rendrageed]

actually you got the facts reversed.. aircraft use spoilers and thrust reversers for primary braking and brakes used at low speed to prevent overheating brake lining.. unless there is a need for emergency stop, which everything is applied.

[polarbear60]

It seems like the landing roll would put less stress on al lthe parts, etc...

[muetter]

flaps were not designed to decelerate an aircraft, however they do by nature generate alot of drag (especially when full) at higher airspeeds. Deployed flaps will actually assist in slowing an aircraft once it touches down, but only so long as there is considerable airspeed. Once most of the airspeed has been shed, flaps will no longer posses any significant braking ability

[lomac011]

o ok thanks

[lomac011]

wat would happen if u engage reverse thrust in mid air at 290 knots??

[milesofftarget]

cannot be done, or at least VERY unlikely to have multiple unrelated system failures that result in airborne reverser deployment. can deploy them below 10feet on the radalt though.

[StratMatt777]

That is incorrect, reversers cannot be deployed until the landing gear squat switch detects that the airplane has touched down. Neither will the spoilers automatically deploy to the ground setting until the squat switch compresses upon touchdown.

This prevents airborne deployment, which would of course be (and has been) disasterous.

A Lauda Air 767 had a thrust reverser deploy in cruise years ago.

milesofftarget, what are the V2 and climbout speeds for your aircraft at MTOW?

[milesofftarget]

StratMatt that sadly is not correct; the reversers can be deployed on a B737 300/500 at or below 10ft RA. You are right to say that the spoiers are deployed from the switch in the RMLG, as a left crosswind in theory (slightly) increases the LDR ! A good old GECAT training question.

The 737 cockpit companion page 186, the good old Bill Buffer guide, and our Vol 8 refers on the TR deployment.

What relevance are the V speeds ?

[StratMatt777]

Sorry miles! I discovered that you are right, of course. It was very surprising to me to find out that reveresers can be deployed at 10' because they can't be deployed on the 727 until the squat switch is activated. I guess that shows you what I know!

Reading your posts now I can't see what made me think you weren't actually a pilot. I must have mistakenly thought that a post on here from a fake pilot had been from you. Oops.

What part of the world are you flying in?

[milesofftarget]

EGBB

[lomac011]

howed the airbrakes go down automaticly??

[BoeingRules]

Armed them during the landing checklist.

[lomac011]

I know but how does it move down?

[dawonda]

lol i love how the trim is going fast enough to take someones hand out

[milesofftarget]

Shouldn't disconnect the autothrottle as this guy did, but rather deselect SPEED on the MCP; importatly this retains alpha floor protection and enables autothrottle power up in the event of go-aroundthrust being required.

[kawadude111]

im going to trust the pilot on this one

[ScottsOne]

Stop trying to give advice to a trained professional.

[milesofftarget]

I am a trained professional, and fly the 737 for 900 hours a year, the next time being in about two hours from now !

Stop jumping to conclusions.

[ScottsOne]

I just noticed he disconnected the Autothrottle. A go-around in this case would be chaos in the cockpit.

Sorry! Keep up your job! I'm still doing my lessons for a JAR PPL! :)

[milesofftarget]

No problem at all, and good luck with the JAR PPL it's great fun. Although I doubt very much whether I could pass the PPL tests these days !

[slipknotsoadown]

why would a real 737 pilot watch grainy videos on youtube.. shouldnt you be in simulator training?

[jeroenheins]

You're right, we are training in the sim. It's nice to see other airline's SOP's though. (Standard Operating Procedures)

[ThepowerofGE90]

Im a First officer with thomsonfly on the 767-200, And my captain, also known as the pilot in command disengages the autothrottle before landing, its almost procedure. the autothrottle can be rengaged if a go around is commenced. ive just got back from a flight from gran caneria to manchester. im thinking of makeing a cockpit video sometime. i had my IR on the 757/767 series.

[75sevenA330]

A-FLOOR is Airbus buddy as well!

[adilg7]

great...

[evelkanevel]

6m frm the runway was where we deselected the altitude hold switch or when we were established on the localizer and switched to apprch mode during flaring disengaging the autopilot for apprch mode is the procedure, the pilot selected 4000 ft alt hold for going-around.

[Atsuke]

What's that thing near the throttle that keeps bobbing up and down?

[flightsimrob]

The trim wheel

[glennlopez]

wait... why's the trim wheel moving by it self? I thought the trimwheel was the only thing in the flightdeck that wasnt automatic

[impowered]

There are two justapixed buttons that when you flick upwards, will deflect the elevator trim upwards and downwards respectively. I.e. you don't have to spin the trim wheel to trim it, you can do it via a linkage on the yoke.

[glennlopez]

ok cool, so since you can autopilot a trimwheel in a 737 my second question is... is it possible to have the trimwheel adjust it self to releave presure for you (incase your too busy to adjust it your self?)

[glennlopez]

I forgot to add: someone told me that the auto pilot also uses the trimwheel (the question below is an attachment to this facct)

[impowered]

Let me reiterate the different ways to use the trim tab. You can do it manually by spinning the wheel downward for nose up, and vv. Or, you can do it via the mechanism described on the yoke. These are both manual. The autopilot will manage trim to relieve pressure. This is only true of the pitch trim, not the alieron trim. The rudder has its own control system, called the yaw dampner.

[impowered]

The plane doesn't know how much pressure you want to allieviate i.e. if you want to climb, you might want to do less than all the nose down trim (that would relieve your pressure). There are a lot of considerations. So, in short, no, it won't do it automatically.

[Pilot177013]

The video started at 2000ft.

It appears that the autopilot was following the ILS. 4000 feet is set in the selector box in case of a missed approach, and if it had to be excecuted, all they'd have to do is hit the altitude autopilot on and it's already set to 4000. You can hear the autopilot getting switched off completely, when the alarm sounds, and you can hear them say it too.

[aat08]

how are they saying "1000 stable" and it is written 4000 on the altitude hold?

[asia1mage]

I think 4000 hold mode is the go-around procedue autopilot setting, and they're flying manually.

[aat08]

no they are using autopilot for catching localizer, (you can hear the autopilot off sound at 1.59) but you re right they should ve disabled the altitude hold and set it for go-around

[asia1mage]

Yeah but that APP MODE for localizer (I think...^_^ )

[MEA015]

Guys , they are using the APP Hold , and they set the Altitude Hold for 4000' to use it in case of go arround.

[erastmus]

MEA015 is correct. They've armed the APP mode which captures the localizer and follows the glideslope automatically, and it doesn't rely or use the other modes on the MCP. It's standard procedure to dial in the go-around altitude on the MCP in case one have to abort the take-off.

[hslightnin]

did you hear him say missed app alt. set?

[flchange]

that´s missed approach altitude...you set 300 feet before the mda or when you intercept the glideslope.

[StratMatt777]

The autopilot altitude setting means nothing unless you engage the autopilot and altitude hold (VNAV). As mentioned, the missed approach procedure probably calls for a climb to 4000'.

"1000 stable" is a standard call-out which means that you have 1000 feet to descend until the approach's decision altitude and that the airplane is stable - airspeed is stable, descent rate is stable... that you are not still trying to get lined up and on glideslope.

[dragon877]

he was actually saying autopilot off autothrottle off but there's so much background noise u cant really hear it

[dioaka]

lol autopiloto, autothrotle'O