Who Is Jesus-Shabir Ally Vs Kenneth Howkins 2/2

[CarmineFragione]

As a being, I can drive a car, using one part of my same mind, and another part of my mind can think about my family business, at the same time. And then, another part of my mind, works to keep my body alive, all at the same time. So, If I crash the car, I do not assign the guilt to just the part of my mind which was controlling the car, but I must assign the guilt to the whole being, all the parts of my mind as One. So the Trinity is a Talent of God to be Three Persons in the One Being

[quranresponse]

1400 years ago

Quran:

(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-72)

Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, he is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O children of Israel! Serve Allah, My Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

[quranresponse]

1400 years ago

Quran:

(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-73)

Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.

74- Will they not then turn to Allah and ask his forgiveness? And Allah is forgiving, Merciful.

[quranresponse]

Quran:

(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-75)

The Messiah,(Jesus) son of Marium(Mary) is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away and his mother was a truthful women; they both used to eat food. Se how we make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.

76- say: Do you serve besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit? And allah-he is the hearing, the Knowing.

[waelben2000]

great dialog. thanks to both. i honestly and truly appreciate both arguments because they both want us in heaven. they are loving for us what they love for themselves. thanks ally and kenneth. respect!

[MTLBOBIRAS]

@X1REME

Pull them out of the air, like houdini? Your funny

[GodsSeer]

WHAT? And Muslims say JEWS were turned into monkeys?

[austriaheute]

Stanley Villavincencio from Philippines encountered Lord Jesus and everybody who doubts that Jesus is God can meet Stanley and he will convince you like he convinced many people. Jesus told Stanley that he offers his mercy to everyone who asks for it and after the time of mercy the time for judgment will come and if we don’t have as a protection his mercy we will not be able to stand his righteous judgment. It is time now to repent and to pray for Jesus mercy, Jesus is our judge.

[celioabatti]

If JESUS was not GOD he would have REBUKED Thomas for BLASFEMY!!!As the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

[jamool2009]

@celioabatti My dear friend it's enough to remind u that Jesus NEVER said"I am God" or "worship me". God clearly defined Himself in the OT which Jesus taught in the temples in which God is ONE and no one besides Him and nothing is equal to Him or like Him; and that God is NOT a man. You are quoting the dreams of someone DREAMING 100 yrs after Jesus! Quote me Jesus or at least James or Peter. Didn't you read Jesus' last words: I am going to my Father and their Father and MY God and their God?

[celioabatti]

@jamool2009

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Greek translation= DISROBED HIMSELF or in plain language took of his devine clothes.

[jamool2009]

@celioabatti My dear friend read Heb 7:5 and tell me is Jesus God or a very desperate man who is pegging for the help of Almighty God NOT to die. Notice that his prayer was ANSWERED, that is, he did NOT die. It's Jesus' obedience to God that saved him. Very clear English. Jesus is a man. Jer 17:5-7 Cursed is the one who trusts in MAN. But blessed is the one who trusts in God. Acts 2:36 tells us that Jesus is MADE Lord and Christ by GOD. Can't you see? But as Jesus said in John 8:43.

[Vasilis719]

Clearly Shabir Ally doesn't understand even his OWN muslim faith. He say's "we should believe Jesus was a man", and not the son of God..yet the koran states clearly that Jesus was born of a virigin(so WHO is the father?), the Messiah(the one of bringing the liberation of God, who could only be be OF God), performed miracles, etc. What "men", with their finite restrictions can be described as just mentioned, without the spirit of God?.

[FieryPhoenix47]

NeedGOD  dot com

[Hrvojecroatian]

God has delivered us from the power of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things.

[Hrvojecroatian]

John 1:1 says that the Word was God. John 1:14 says that And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

[Biblewordofgod]

Heavenly Father, I admit I am a sinner,

I confess my sins with my mouth, and ask you to wipe my slate clean. I confess that Jesus was and is the Christ, the living Son of God. I know in my heart that Jesus is alive, that he died and rose from the dead. I accept Jesus as my personal Savior. Thank you for the forgiveness of my sins.

Please write my name in the Lamb's book of life. Amen.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish

[celioabatti]

Why Should We WORSHIP JESUS? Revelation 1:8 He claimed To Be God . Hebrews 1:6 Angels Will. John 9:38 Blind Man Did. Mathew14:33,28:9,28:17Disciple­sDID. John 20;28 Thomas Did. Matthew 2:2, 2:11 Wise Man Did. Matthew 8:2 The Leper Did. Matthew 9:18 The Ruler Did. Matthew15:25Woman Of Cannan Did. Mattew20:20 Mother of zebedess Children Did. The evidence can be found many places in scripture, whether you accept it or not, thats a different Story!!!

[jamool2009]

@celioabatti Don't fool yourself. Read Jesus' words; he NEVER said "I am God" or part of some sort of Godhead or "worship me". God Almighty defined Himself clrearly in the OT. as ONE, has no equal, nothing is similar to Him, not a man. Jesus is a son of man, born of a young woman, a servant of God.

[celioabatti]

@jamool2009 Are u Illiterate or Deceptive?

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning

[celioabatti]

@jamool2009 If JESUS was not GOD he would have REBUKED Thomas for BLASFEMY!!!As the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

[aPriLbAbY29]

what does the bible say son of man means u will be surpised

[jamool2009]

Wake up Christians, "begotten" is a fabrication by the church fathers (Jerome); it is not found anymore in the new translations of the bibles; it's replaced by "unique son". By the way, "son of God" means the one who is very close to God and obeys God (a righteous man), and Jesus did both as he stated by himself; he did what pleases God; he was a good son in that sense. Jesus NEVER said I am the son of God; he is called the son of man 73 times. Mark never used son of God or Lord; but Mathew did.

[aPriLbAbY29]

what about the title son of man check daneil 7: 13

[jamool2009]

Forget about the dreamer Danial. Son of man means sinful, fallible human=son of Adam. We have son of devil, son of hell. Son of man means that he does what a man can do. Son of God means that he does what God wants him to do. Son of devil means that he follows the devil. It's the Aramaic and Hebrew languages. God made it clear in NUM 23:19 that: God is NOT a man to lie NOR a son of man to change his mind, period. Very clear English.

[ljkuipo]

@jamool2009

NUMBERS 23:19 that: " God is NOT a man to lie, " This proves that Jesus is God, because as a man he never lied, so he must be God, as the Bible says that " all men are liars."  Jesus is the unique Godman.

Reject his love, and God will reject you.

[jamool2009]

@ljkuipo the NT says Jesus is a man, NOT God, and man may lie. It's like saying that a man is not a woman because a woman has the period. Did you get it? Man, by nature, may lie, God never lie. You only know 3 years about Jesus' life: what did he do as a teenager? John the Baptist never sinned or lied. Jesus NEVER told you that he is God or equal to God.

[ljkuipo]

Jesus said in John 8:58 " before Abraham was," I am."God told Moses, my name is " I am " And again in Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is , and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1 :17 Fear not, I am the first and the last;

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira, write: These things saith the SON OF GOD, "

[ljkuipo]

Genesis1:1and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

King David said; Psalm 51:11Cast me not away from thy presence, and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Jesus said in John3:3, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again he shall not see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Except a man be born of water(flesh) and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

You are spiritually dead unless you become born again in Christ Jesus.

Islam, no spirit, can't save you.

[dangerzuz]

You wake up.. hahah Jesus is the truth the way and the life!

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009

"Wake up Christians"?LOL. Have you read the Bible?!!!!. Even a muslims believes that Jesus was born of a virgin, was the Messiah(annointed one), and performed mircales. You speak of the Gospels(similarily to Shabir Ally) as if the needed to be idiot proof..LOL. "Son of man", "Son of God"..SAME THING. The sentiment gives you EVERY resource to understand the Gospels. The belief comes first, then the meditative philosophy..which YOU and Ally both fail to understand about faith.

[jamool2009]

WE all know that people are called different names, sometimes over-exaggerated. We have people called "the eternal" and they die. There are Christians who are called "Jesus"; but no one believe that they are the real Jesus. Calling an African king: "king of kings" does not make him as such beyond his tribe; it's just a NAME; you can call yourself anything you like but you still the same in the eyes of the others. Jesus NEVER called by these names in Isa 9:6; he is called rabbi, teacher, master

[ljkuipo]

@jamool2009

You are a liar, Isaiah 9: 6 doesn't say rabbi, teacher. Isaiah 9;6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.

9;7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the the throne of David " So this would have to exclude Mohamad, as he was not Jewish.

[Fire4Christ08]

Jesus is the Eternal only-BEGOTTEN Son of God!

[kayb76]

what does "begotten" mean?

[douardjamel]

Adam deserves more than Jesus that title if i use your way of belief...why dont' you worship adam first , he has no father and no mother too..and if we are his sons then we all are Gods! that's no sense my friend ! no one of the early prophets heard about a son of god, who was in the beginning and to the eternty...you dont' understant what eternity means, jesus was born 2000 years ago so he isn't eternal since he has a begining.

[whichwaynq]

u win on a technicallity

[Nazam44]

The difference between son of God and only son of God is that it shows a development from the first 3 to John the last of the 4 to be written. After Jesus, his follwers told stories about Jesus, either orally or wrote, in order to convert and educate the converted. Through the passage of time Jesus became more and more the unique son of God and this evolution is refelcted in the 4 Gospels according to the dates of their wirttings.

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44..PART 1

First of all..Shabir Ally claims their is a conflict between "son of God", and ONLY "son of God". How so?. How Jesus not be both?. How is the speech of a man conflict by calling a man "Son of God",; which gives a title..then saying ONLY, as to express that their is NO OTHER?!!!. That's simply grasping at desperate straws, on Shabir's part.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 read Jesus' words. He never said :"I am God" or son of God. He said more often that he is a son of man meaning he is human. You are just parroting the church line. also, check what "son of man" means for the Jews; it means "king of the Jews" and that's why they rejected him because he can't free them.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 3

"No one knows the father but the son"..JESUS. Speaking of his relationship to the infinite "father". Boundless, with no beginning or end. The "son" is the spirit of Holy truth in the flesh. The first Christians were "Jews", you MORON!!LOLOLOL. Your ignorance should have a mussle on it..LOLOLOL. "Son of man", is "flesh". THAT is what made Jesus the "son" of the infinite "father". You have been conditioned by your backwards muslim people..LOLOLOLOL.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 sorry ... I meant check the meaning of "son of God" for the Jews. It means "the king of the Jews" and that's why they didn't see Jesus as a king to free them from their enemies. According to the NT, any believer is a son of God the Father meaning a follower of God or a man of God. God is our Father and Jesus is a very obedient son. Read ur NT; don't fabricate things about God in which you will NOT be forgiven as Jesus told you.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 5

Your trully are "slow"..LOLOL. Your muslim stupidity has conditioned you laughable opinion..LOLOL. The problem with you dumb muslims, is your a religion of the "word", and not of the "sentiment". The "word" is to serve the "sentiment". The "proof" of religion is it's "sentiment". YOUR little ldea of a "religion" is the words of a csave dweller, who claims that he received revelation!!!!LOL. ANYONE can do that!!!!. WHAT is "new" in islam?. What is "better" islam?. NOTHING!!!!

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44..part 2

Secondly, Shabir say Jesus reffered to himslef as the "son of man". Most definitely..that's what made Jesus remarkable. The flesh became God. Without the God speaking to man as "man", man was pagan. God was never conceivable, and Jesus gave them himself to "conceive" of. islam defies mohammed, by taking his "lessons" along with what are claimed of his revelations. mohammed himself claimed ceratin verses came to him from the devil, and then took them back.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 again, read Jesus' words. He NEVER said:"I am God in the flesh" as you say; that's the pagan roman church line. You just PARROT what you hear from your lying men about Jesus and Islam. Please, read Jesus' words before it's too late.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART

AGAIN.. Jesus didn't HAVE to say ANYTHING. Dioes God come to you and tell you, "I am God"?!!. You don't challenge God. Jesus HAD said, he is the "son", and "God" is the father. The only deviding factor is flesh and finite existance. "Parrot"?!!!!. That's a bird..LOLOL. Go learn English!!. Go check your little koran..mohammed went from "messenger" to "advisor"!!!!LOLOLOL. Some advice?..to not befriend Christians and Jews. Jesus words?. He befriended ANYONE. Grow a brain!!!!LOL

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44..PART 3

mohammed's credibility is full of contradiction, and we see that his intentions were a "military state". He took it upon himself to preach what is "right" and "wrong", which is not of a "messenger of the unchanged word", but a "man" who shared both "do not harm even a tree", and submission, conversion, or "kill them wherever you find them" in how islam should be spread. He said, "their is no compulsion in relgion", yet his message was intended militarily.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 you can't deny that ur Christianity was fabricated and spread/forced by the militant pagan Roman Empire. Read the history of ur church and you will be ashamed of it; read about the bloody crusaders; read about ur dark ages.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 1

LOL..I "can't deny that MY Christianity" was fabricated"?!!LOLOL. Your stupidity is astounding.

1.) I can MOST DEFINITELY "deny" it, since I own a brain, and understand history. The Romans were enemies of Christinaity, and fed Christians to the lions as a spectacle. Christinaity wasn't the religion of the "kings", but of the 'PEOPLE". Why would pagans "defend" Christianity"?!!LOLOL. AS for "shame". The crusades were in repsonse to the muslims invasion of the Holy land.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 1. First, it seems to me that u follow the example of the biblical (not the Koranic) Jesus in bashing ur opponents and calling people names: hypocrite, blind, snakes, sons of devil, ... and that's the way of the unrighteous. Second, as they say, history has no mercy. You can deny things about ur self but ur denial does NOT change ur history. I fur history was bloody, it will remain as such among the people no matter how u try to paint it.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 1

The insecure non-reality you have managed to create for yourself, speaks nothing of religious philosophy, or addressing intent, sentiment, or consistancy. The Jesus I follow, is ONE Jesus. The Bible speaks of that Jesus. If you took the time to read the Jesus of the Bible, and his teachings, then read the koran..it would seem as if the koran has MUCH missing. The Christian sentimen has fed, clothed, givin aid to more people, than ALL other religions could IMAGINE.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 2. it's a FACT that Palestine was encircled by the pagan belief in a a savior, son of god, born of a virgin on Dec 25 found in Greece, Rome, Egypt, Persia and India. Now u can see how u got this idea of a divine savior (christ). Prior to the year 325, dispute erupted in Egypt between Arius (no trinity) and Athanasius (fabricator of trinity). Emperor of Rome wants unity of his empire; so he gathered HIS bishops in their FIRST political Council in Nicea in 325 to institute trinity.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 2

Pagan belief is EXACLTY what faught Christinaity the hardest(Greek/Romans). It was the Jewish belief in a Messiah/saviour that was the opposite, and in FACT, islam believes Jesus to be the Messiah, ANYWAY!!!!LOLOL. As a Greek, let me educate you. The Christian community was not united as a seperate entity from Judaism..it existed as the fullfillment of the Messia..as muslims believe as well. The Christian religion was not of emperors, but of the people.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 If u are a Greek, I am Libyan just cross the sea and we share a lot of ancient history. u should know that you had 2 saviors (christos). It's true that there no such thing as Christians. Jesus was a Jew and ONLY for the Jews; he NEVER had a church or called his disciples christian; he taught in the temples. The christian name was given by the pagan as the Christians used to call Muslims as Mohamadun and that NOT excepted by us. It was Paul who came up with the church idea.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..LASTLY

We have only "history" in common, in terms of what the Greco-Roman world conquered and built in your country..LOLOL. 2 saviours?!!!!LOLOL. So Greeks are under the "impression" Jesus is the only saviour, but some libyan, who now is simply an arab, since islam invaded his lands, is gonna educate a GREEK about his belief?!!!!LOLOL. THINK AGAIN..LOLOL. Jesus was the fullfillment(as even islam recognizes) of the Judaic belief in the Messiah. Paul was a radical Jew, and convert.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 3

The emperors humbled themsleves to the people. No one knows exactly when Jesus was born, and December 25th was picked specifically to repplace a pagan holiday. The Bible never stated the date of Jesus birth, just the circumstances. The coucil of Nicea brought together the factors of a religion functioning outside of Judaism. In fact, the Orthodox church(which the eastern Greco-Romans follow) still practices certain Judaic charcteristics.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 4

The concept of the trinity is God the infinite, God as expressed in the flesh, and God as the Holy spirit of goodness. God the infinite is ungraspable, God as expresses in the flesh, and understood is Jesus, and the spirit of Holy goodness is of God. It didn't take Athansius to create that, it took Greek philosophy to define it. Hence, the first Christian community, was based on Greek philosophy, education, language, etc.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 5

On the other hand..we have islam. It's claim is that mohammed recieved revelations of the "true" belief, 600 years after Jesus death. What that would mean, is that he not only recieved revelations, but had a perfect memory..as did the early followers of islam. Had that been the case, no book would have been needed. Once human contact came into the picture of the "unchanged word of God", the word was prone to mistakes, and would be pointless.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 6

Also, mohammed went from "messenger" of revelations, to "advisor" of behaviour. He gave himself exception in how many wives HE could have(in a religion that is polygamist to begin with), excepted concubines, and sex with women "whom the right hand posseses". THIS is what is the religion of God?!!!!. Also, mohammed said "harm not even a tree", "their is no compulsion in religion"..then proceeded to build one of the largest "MILITARY" states!!!!.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..LASLTY

The koran teaches to not befriend Christians and Jews, and as a non-muslims you had 3 choices..convert, except 2nd class status in YOUR land, or resist and be attacked. THIS is the way of God?!!!!. muslims even had fellow muslim slaves. mohammed(though he said "their is no compulsion in religion") stated "mohammed is God's messenger, and I will make all nations submit". Gee, do I see I little contradiction here?!!!!.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 3. Now you can see how ur trinity was invented 325 after Jesus under the supervision of a pagan emperor! It was politically motivated. It's like nowadays where America wants an American Islam. The Romans changed Jesus' religion instead of Jesus changing the Romans. It's Arius' followers, the true followers of Jesus, who were fed to the lions by the trinitarians as Jesus was mocked by the Jews not the Romans. Paul was not a ruler, he was a Roman agent to kill Jesus' true followers.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 1

Now "I can see"?!!LOLOL. Now YOU can(had you read my comment), that the trinity wasn't an "invention", but a philosophical description. Your version of subjective history, reveals your COMPLETE frustation with the dominance of Christianity. Quite simply, the "pagan" Roman emperor bowed to the people's belief, not the other way around. You can't re-teach a belief to the devout..LOLOL. Also. your mohammed was a pagan, and claimed revelations, that gave him speical privilege!!

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 4. Christianity never was a religion of the people; it's the religion of an elite of churchmen=church-fathers. They burnt alive their own brothers who dare to translate the bible into English. The King James version didn't come to existence until 1611. Can you believe such a monopoly on the so called word of God? Can you call that a religion of the people? It' was in 1952 that 52 Christians scholars made 300 changes in the KJV to root out "grave errors" by the corrupted fathers.

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 2

Wow, your SOOOO frustrated, your just throwing out ANYTHING at this point!!LOLOL. Christianity was "never of the people"?!!!!LOLOL. The who were those Christians fed to the lions in Rome?!!!!!. Were they the "elite's" children?!!!!!. Or were the children of those martyrs simply "elite" in theory?!!!!LOLOLOL. "Translation" isn't "changes", you moron..LOLOL. The oldest koran has rewritten marks on it, and the Scandanavian who proved it, was threatened with death by muslims!!!!

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 2

The "shame" falls on your "military religion", and your manipulator "prophet", who used pieces of Judaism and Christianity, to build an "empire" of "occupation". Your very "religion" is a walking contradiction!!LOLOL. "Harm not even a tree", is followed by the biggest wave of relgious imposition!!. "Their is no compulsion in religion" is followed by Sharia law, and treating non-converted people as 2nd class. THAT'S "your" koran..LOLOL.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 As a told u before, history has no mercy. Islamic history vs. Christian. Ask any Western learned men about that and you will get the answer: Islam is far more tolerant and peaceful than Christianity. You can do very simple thing: ask the Jews with whom u share the OT. Jews always find refuge in Muslims' lands. We still have original Christians and Jews in Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Jordan ... Where are the original people in Europe? What happened to red Indians in North/South America?

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 3

Out of ALL the ridiculous things you've written, THIS is by FAR the most comical!!!!LOLOL. The educated westerner thinks islam is more "peaceful" and "tolerant"?!!!!LOLOL. Where does the "westerner's" education come from?..where does he get his ideas about "peace" and "tolerance"?!!!!. FROM THE CHRISTIAN WEST!!!!!. The Christian world is where muslims flee for better education and human rights. Where have Jews been most successful and progressive?. CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES!!!!.

[MTLBOBIRAS]

@Vasilis719

Indeed comical I agree, where did he get this information??? On fox news? FYI.this guy

Shabir Ally, is in my opinion a subliminal deceiver, he speaks of Christ but keeps saying that most of contents in the new testament are fabricated, thus confusing and distorting the truth. There is a Greek saying the Camel never looks behind and talks about it's own hump but gossips about it's neighbours! This is how this guy operates.

[Vasilis719]

@MTLBOBIRAS

I think you're writing to the wrong. I agree that shabir ally is a "deceiver"..subliminal or other wise.. Also, I'm actually Greek!!!!LOL. What muslims do, is try and create an imaginary circumstance or interpretation of something with a 2,000 year history of sentiments and principles that use the very scriptures that they try to paly against each other, with a 1st grade understand of summarizing, and intent of language. It's similar to a bad lawyer..LOLOL. I agree with you 100%.

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44.PART 4

As for the Gospels. They are all consistant on the same points. What muslims try to do, is twist words into contradiction, when their is no contradiction, other than in the muslims "subjective" wishful thinking..LOL. As we see with Shabir; he spens 90% or more of his time, trying to discredit Christianity, not showing islam's superiority..LOL. WHAT is in the koran that is "better"?. How come the muslims example isn't embraced by ALL?. Wouldn't the word of God do that?

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 read the Qura'n and you will find answers for all your questions. Don't talk about Islam w/o reading its Qur'an. But ur church men tell you not to read the Qur'an because they know it will change ur mind about Islam. Can you read the Qur'an and compare it to ur bible? Can you take the challenge and free yourself? Speaking of twisting, ALL ur evidence about Jesus is based on twisted verses. Just look at them and find me ONE EXPLICIT one. Can you?

[Vasilis719]

@jamool2009..PART 6

"Answers"?!!!!LOLOLOL. There is NOTHING in the muslims "religion" that wasn't already stated BETTER oand more ELABORATE in both Judaism and Christianity!!!!. mohammed simply took stories that were well known in the near east, and molded them to his idea of a "military" empire. There is NOTHING ilsma offers, other than confusion, polygamy, violence, etc. Why would the "unchanged" word of God cause such things?!!!!. You don't even see it right in front of your face!!!!!

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44..PART 5

The koran says the infant Jesus "spoke" about how he's NOT the son of God, as what is supposed to be the "original" word of God..when in FACT, it's in response to the Bible and Christianity!!LOL. What islam tries to use, is "subjective" reasoning in a "literal" sense, to defy Christianity..when it's book is full of LITERAL contradictions, ALL OVER IT.!!!!LOL. The muslims has the action of the snake in dealing with competing religion, not wisdom or method.

[jamool2009]

@Vasilis719 if you are really seeking the truth, not just parroting what you hear, read the Qur'an and you will be ashamed of yourself and you will find no difference between it and the NT regarding Jesus. The Qur'an has more respect for Jesus than your NT. The NT says Jesus makes wine; he is racist for not healing the Samaritan woman's girl; he is impatient; he didn't come to bring peace; he demands hating ur family to follow him; he takes what is not his(the donkey)...etc

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44..LASTLY

I think your a TOTAL coward for blocking my comments against a challnging muslims, on another video you posted.

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44.PART 1

Once again, a muslims assuming Christian intent and sentiment. The fact is, Christians had NO reason to risk their lives on an "evolution"..LOLOLOL. That is simply muslims ignorance and insecurity. The Gospels were written within one genration of Jesus death. The only reason early Christians wrote down the teaching and stories of Jesus, was because the fealt it could be quite a while before the 2nd coming. Hence, written within one generation.

[Vasilis719]

@Nazam44..PART 2

The koran is based on the claims of a man, some 600 years later; after Jesus death. It's credence is based on the memory of mohammed: which cannot be verified..and islams first followers, who would also have to have "devine" memory. If that were the case, a book(koran) wouldn't be needed. You don't even see the obvious staring you in the face..LOLOL. Why do you think the so-called "unchanged" word of God has failed so miserably?!!!!.

[trikker01]

the reason why there was difference between the gospels when it comes to "Son of God" and "only Son of God" is because it was written by different men. these men pointed to different things that they felt was important. 1 * 1 * 1= 1 That is the trinity. muslims believe the Trinity is 3 gods in the one God, but that is not the Trinity. And also it has never been the doctrine of the Trinity.

[YasirTV]

I think a good question One must ask is that if Jesus is the only begotten son of god.. What can be made of David in Pslams 2

Psalm 2:7 (King James Version)

 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

[aloyblue]

In the Targum of Isaiah we read: "His name has been called from old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He who lives forever, the Anointed One (Messiah), in whose days peace shall increase upon us."

Psalm 2:7-8 "I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: He said to me, 'You are My Son; Today I have begotten thee. Ask of me and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.' "

[aloyblue]

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

[kevluigi]

Shabbir Ally is great! I hope Christians listen to him!