Horizon - How Violent Are You? - Milgram Experiment - Pt1

[RareVDO]

Well, now that we seen London went up in rioter's flame, we know everyone is capable of this. The percentage is pretty high in a supposely "civil society".

[Cursed8Blessed]

@RareVDO yeah but that 'london riots' large scale social experiment those police were playing both sides, first they do their usual bullshit kill an innocent black man, then they know some ppl is gwan wanna protest and stuff get some justice try stop these feds getting too uppity and try hurt more ppl without reason, then obviusly some ppl just want a new tv and who can blame them but it was the rioters that were actually paid by undercover coppers to riot that was the icing on the cake

[Cursed8Blessed]

@RareVDO 2. same old illuminati shit, cause a problem offer a solution or even better get the dumbed down public to call for a so called solution, for days after there was bare feds all over the place, they be getting the public scared of the scapegoated black people when the police are usually the real enemy of ppl of any colour who want to live free, they want ppl to call for more police on the streets when its the police that are often the problem, its been proven they infiltrate

[Cursed8Blessed]

@RareVDO 3. the black blocs and stuff on demos. they probably want to take the blacks out first cos more likely to be aware and stick up for themselves then they come for the rest.....i see it here in oz too down the road they got ppl signing petition for 24 hr police station. not saying all coppers are bad per se but the hierarchy corruption has trickle down effect, they there to serve and protect it says, yeah protect the rich and the illegal govts...

[fodsaks]

We've all GOT to try and be better people. It's down to each of us as individuals.

Whatever works for you, scripture, meditation, inspiring books, happy music, it doesn't matter. It's really important that we all strive to improve as human beings and really start giving a damn.

[Cougar139tweak]

It's amps not volts that "kill" The real measure of shock's intensity lies in the amount of current (amperes) forced though the body, and not the voltage. While any amount of current over 10 milliamps (0.01 amp) is capable of producing painful to severe shock, currents between 100 and 200 mA (0.1 to 0.2 amp) are lethal.

[learning112233]

this woman confuses me 

[12345ISIS12345]

I say I wouldn't kill in that experiment but I really don't know until I am in that position.

[olivsolearero]

This is a so important experiment, but, the point is not exactly "How violent" are you, but how obedient to authority... People accept the violence because of their conformism and because they are submissive to authority, diluting his responsibilities into the society order.

Degree of personnal violence is not at all measured by this test, and considerating the Milgram test as a violence measure is to avoid the real problem that is social conformism ans social violence acceptation

[jimpurdie]

a personal coach willing to kill someone hahaha

[Freshhhhh1982]

Michael portillo is so obviously gay.

[BarackBananaChannel]

I would have gone the full way before I knew about this experiment.

I guess I would be a great buddy in the SS time XD

We must accept that we are a very manipulative race.

This test helped me a lot, to think more about what I'm doing

[bfess]

is the interpreter really necessary considering a deaf person couldn't even participate in the experiment since they wouldn't be able to hear the professor's orders and prods to continue. I suppose deaf people should know about how we can kill each other for science's sake.

[12345ISIS12345]

@bfess I do find interpreters annoying but just because deaf people havn't participated in the experiment it doesn't mean that it doesn't represent them aswell. People are poeple and if you discriminate them besed on disabilities or slight differences then it is stupid. It is just like saying that because no black people were on there it doesn't represemt them. Skin tone, loss of hearing whatever, we are all human so that test based on humans represents us all.

[356pla]

@12345ISIS12345 Who other than the deaf should be denied this knowledge.

Lets hope someone explains what people can be like to blind people too.

[12345ISIS12345]

@356pla Sorry I don't know what you mean, plz can you explain it into a bit more detail?

[356pla]

@12345ISIS12345 What I mean is that a deaf person would be more aware, and therefore safer, if she or he has access to information like this. Unless this oral presentation is reproduced in Braile (spelling?) a deaf person has to rely on someone translating what was audible to everyone who has access to the internet. My follow-up re blind people didn't make sense.

Merry Christmas.

[12345ISIS12345]

@356pla okay I still don't know what your saying. It is quite late at night as I am writing this so it is probably a fault of my own so it might be your arrangment of words that is making it hard for me to understand but it's more likely just me being tired and my brain not activating to it's full potential. I'd rather end the discussion now because I don't think the point will get across to me.

Merry xmas.

[K00kamonga]

Sorry jajamansan88,

but there is no such thing of 'special ''better'' people' due their activity or 'creativity'.

For example, in the Dan Setton's documentary from 1999, 'Kapo', we can see that one of most violent and sadic Kapos in Poland during WWII was a pianist, a very good one as musician and maestro, So...

[jajamansan88]

The Pianist is the only one who doesn't continue. Creative people think for themselves more and they learn how to survive without being dependant on authorities and following rules.

[SCD999]

is this a reconstruction or a real replication of the milgram experiment? if it's a replication, i don't know how it got past the ethical committee

[intermender]

The teachers were probably given the choice not to be shown in the final programme (i think they said there were 12 were, but we see only 3 or 4?).

So I think it was very brave and noble of these people to allow us to see them at their worst all in the intrest of teaching the rest of us how we likely are our worst (a 90% chance!) and to avoid the trap ourselves.

It was a great selfless service to humanity, and i would be proud to be counted as being like them.

They are teachers afterall!

[kissstainedkandy]

yeh that's so true - Milgram's original experiment was ripped to shreds by the bps guidelines in the 60s.. how the hell did they manage to do this?!

[CaptainSophisticated]

They could do it merely by finding funding outside the BPS. If any psychologist wants their work financed and published within the UK they have to have the ethics of it approved by the BPS, this would obviously not get that any more as the original Milgram experiments are one of the reasons they have to do this nowadays. BBC will have funded it and they've found some washed up social psychologist to give it some credit. 'Diffusion of Responsibility' is really first year student stuff.

[EnigmaHood]

Why is there a lady signing? Can deaf people not read subtitles?

[intermender]

The bbc often broadcasts different versions of the same programme. Because it is a public service, i guess the bbc will will broadcast in the manner the public requests (especially for programs it makes itself like this one), so i guess the deaf community prefers a signer for their version.

[356pla]

@intermender She was probably there to fulfilll a public mandate for the deaf who may have actually been there (whether they existed or not) than out of a concern for future presentation when that makes more sense..

[simbafreak]

i agree with albanis2, anyone can kill if put in the right situation.

[ddmdUp]

Intentionally or not?

[simbafreak]

intentionally. like not just randomly kill just to kill. but have u seen saw? the movies quite gory and i admit im afraid of it BUT the plot is about some guy dying with cancer with a bunch of people around him wishing theyd die right, and so he puts them in a situation to do so to prove how much they wana live. and some go pretty far to try to live. imagine u had to kill someone u didnt know or ur best friend. whod u kill? thats the movie the box i think. anyways think about :D interesting yea?

[ddmdUp]

@simbafreak Although many could kill if given the right incentives... I know not everyone would. There's been many people that have been killed refusing to kill. Like in Eastern Europe... many people refused to be part of the military and suffered death for not being willing to carry a gun in the army. I hold that it's wrong to kill(.)

I know this is 9 months old, :) I just checked my comments box.

[356pla]

@simbafreak Yes, but most of us don't realise how EASILY a guy or girl just like you...

[hisNAMEwasJAYSIN]

does anyone know the name of the song at 1:12 ?

[Albanis2]

proof, look at countries where there are no authorities, no feeling of security by an armed force etc.. the humans feel lost and disapointed that there's no guidelines, and they start doing acts of extreme violence ( africa etc ) Why ? No particular reason, they're just killing machines out of control : the human being

[Albanis2]

...This is stupid, every human is violent like hell. At the basics, we're the greatest predator to ever walk this planet. We killed entire species AS WELL as huuuuge parts of our own species. The human invests time and hard work in finding always new ways to kill, and there's a new one for every war. The only reason the ''ordinary people'' dont use that violence in them is the society around and mainly because they have soldiers and cops to do it for em.

[Devext]

We kill for FUN!

[SwedxSimon02]

Heath Ledgers joker quotes =/= science. Society's restrictions are a significant but not the one reason people don't use violence, psychologists understand the evolutionary foundations of empathy/sympathy well now and these traits have been located to very primitive parts of the brains.

[Albanis2]

yes because, the human brain has something stupid called ''beliefs'' lots of people wont use violence because they fear repercussion in the afterlife.. a human is a sociopathic killer. nothing else.

[SwedxSimon02]

Trivia: A lot of people in fact don't have something stupid called ''beliefs'' about reprecussion in afterlife, yet their brain is structured in the same way in empathic/sympathic/alturistic processes.

''a human is a sociopathic killer. nothing else. ''

Angsty black metal lyrics =/= neuroscience.

[Albanis2]

you think you're gonna teach me about atheism ? My point is, everyone'S got reasons to hold back their most primal instinct. Society around them, the fact that they are safe where they are,religion and various other beliefs. the term '' Human rights has been around for less than a hundred years. ANY human, deprived of his basic conditions to hold his instincts, can and will start acting violently to feel safe again, to have food, stuff like that. ALL of em. no exception.

[SwedxSimon02]

ANY human, deprived of his basic conditions to hold his instincts, can and will start acting violently to feel safe again, to have food, stuff like that. ALL of em. no exception.

Never said anything against that people would use violence more to gain food or to defend themself. But again, society is not the only reason people dont use that violence in them. Empathic/sympathic/alturistic regulation processes exist independent of society.

[Freshhhhh1982]

@SwedxSimon02 Very true

[SwedxSimon02]

The difference lies in how frequently we would use violence not that there wouldn't be any mechanism to prevent it without society.

''you think you're gonna teach me about atheism ?''

I said that atheists brain works in the same way as religions peoples including the empathic/sympathic/alturistic processes. Thats not teaching about atheism. This distinction really isnt difficult to comprehend.

[SwedxSimon02]

''the term '' Human rights has been around for less than a hundred years.''

This is a factual error. It's been used since the enlightenment. Dont talk about things you don't know about, especially not combined with arbitrary throwing around numbers

[Freshhhhh1982]

@Albanis2 In addition to society what holds back our instinct for violence is another evolutionary instinct, empathy. Without it we wouldnt have been able to form groups much less society and culture.

[MoscAmer]

uhh deaf people can read, what's the point of the fat lady signing and making faces in the corner?

[intermender]

the bbc often broadcasts a version of a programme they make to different communities and since they are a public service, they will broadcast in the manner the community involved prefers.

Actually I gather hearing people also make faces when they talk but it is not noticed as much (eg: see tv series, 'lie to me' staring Tim Roth).

[TheHolySpirit]

There's lots of other Milgram experiment videos around on YouTube. I thoroughly recommend checking them out too. The Stanford Prison experiment is another interesting one.

[carrikp]

Well done to the pianist for backing out!

[dortyhoor]

Wheres the clip with Portillo dressed in native American costume fighting an old man, toe to toe fisticuffs? The most surreal, insane bit of TV Ive ever seen.

[JolietJonBlues]

Excellent. I'm going to use this with my RS class!

[sharinganmoosex]

thanks for the upload!