We all knew the ZR1 would win. Face it, for around 100k, you can own an unstoppable monster. I bought one 4 months ago and I get excited every time I grab the key.
@vtc4ever a master piece of overrated shit. it gets owned by a less hp 2012 Z06 on the track, at the ring, top speed, braking, cornering, and the 2012 Z06 has better seats than the GTR as of 2012, no computers,LC, AWD, look it up
Green guy: the vette seems to be owning all the other cars in terms of horsepower today. It is fast on straight road, but I don't think it can handle the slightest turn once we take it up to the hill.
Other guy: Agreed. It is a piece of crap American car.
@ryanc519 but we all know it kills the GTR in the corners as well, they jus did another test against the 2013 GTR, the ZR1 but rapped it by 3.5 secs on a twisty track , guess u have to wait for the 2015 GTR with 1000 hp to compete
And just to be clear this is a roll race from 50kph just so the other cars would even dream of hanging on the GTR.. the ZR1 has the advantage here with 820-840NM of torque in english: Something that helps ALOT on a roll race..
Nissan GTR is clearly the winner here guys... This is a Acceleration competition right?? ok yes.
Nissan ptwr: 530bhp/1740kg= 304bhp per ton
lexus ptwr: 560bhp/1480kg=378bhp per ton
Porsche ptwr: 620bhp/1445kg=429bhp per ton
ZR1 ptwr: 640bhp/1530=418bhp per ton so with that low PTWR the GTR is just 5kph behinde nothing.. if they both ZR1 and GTR would have the same power to weight ration the GTR would have 730bhp on the spot hmmmmmm wonder how that race would end LOL..
Honestly these are all badass cars. I'd choose the lfa due to the fact that umm vetted are everywhere. Gtrs are also becoming common. Porsche = ugly... Id choose either viper or lfa but id take lfa. Who cares if one is slighlty faster. Most the time on the street you wouldnt be able to put these cars to their limit anyways. And lfa has more wow factor.
Carbon body panels, super wide grip tires and the Zr1 walks everything in its path, but im surprised that the asian guy drives with the correct shift point as he did, great video guys,
@golf1diesel You got a video to prove it? In fact, if you think GT2 RS has a lot of turbo lag which explains its slow acceleration from a rolling start and ZR1 also has way more torque than the GT2.
ZR1 will always smoke the GT2 RS in a straight line.
@omgimfreaknsexi If a Viper would have been there I doubt you would make such a statement about the GTR beating everything. Oh yeah, I didn't see the GTR beat everything in this video.
@blazzing4321 your so ignorant that your not getting my point lol who cares about the times around the ring like i said the gtr looks better and is more of a bargin an can fit four people but your worried about lap times on a track that you most likely will never drive and im sure if you were put on a zr1 or viper you wouldnt crack 7;50 on the ring so boom and stop bein so mad
@blazzing4321 ok see how dumb you look when your buying a car that you could probably never set a quick lap time in lol people just be so mad that american cars suck ass and always have
@omgimfreaknsexi Dude if you can afford any of those cars and even care to buy them, trust me the last thing on your mind will be how many people you can fit in it.
@SuperVan90 im still young and vibrant not old and compensating like all you old small dick bithces lol so therefor i have friends who i would want in my car the sexy affordable masterpiece GTR while your in your viper or vette with plastic pieces falling off drinking up gas and wasting tires
@omgimfreaknsexi GTR is the best all arounder in which regards? Going to the mall in comfort? The Viper has tons of cornering grip. Both the Viper and Vette have faster times at the Ring. Viper was 10+sec faster than the GTR. That means the GTR lags behind about a 1/4 mile per lap. The Ring is an excellent track to prove the "all arounder" of a car. Here's a vid of Viper in a race at the track. It corners with the best of them and kicks ass...even with a restrictor: /watch?v=PQytPHXBYXY
@thybigballs WHAT WHAT WHAT???? the so called "RING" is not really a track it`s a part of the autobhan, it`sa a closed road you dumb whore... ALL these cars are so similar matched, that you can`t really tell the difference.. this means on the RING it comes down to one thing ONLY one thing: how CRAZY can you be.. it`s like being fast on the street..try a REAL CIRCIUT and you would see a whole different story.. nothing wrong with ZR1 and Viper ACR but they don`t stand a chance on a real circiut..
@rottepung666 Thr Ring isn't really a race track? Good luck getting ANYONE to agree with you. Either way it doesn't matter what you want to classify it as now does it? Where are all the championships of the GTR "owning"? Wanna compare the GTR's track wins? Oh yeah, is this what you mean about the GTR owning on a track and cornering? /watch?v=3O434tbOaaI
@thybigballs you`re from america of course.. then it`s ok.. but don`t show me a vid of a girl LOL... And it won much all ready in Europe.. in Germany it even beat a Porsche GT in stock form HAHAHA so good luck on getting anyone to agree with you.. first of all i meant in stock form.. and if you take PTWR in consider it`s the best of them all even on the RING!!! ALL 4wd understeer if you go full throttle mid corner like this stupid bitch does..
@rottepung666 Do you think you are a better driver or that you know more about how a car functions than Sabine? She would embarrass you. I'm happy that you're proud of your edge over a Porsche. What event are you refering to exactly? And what are the events where " it won much already in Europe". Are we discussing a PTWR?
@thybigballs if you knew anything about this women then you would understand.. she says this about ALL 4wd cars cause she can`t drive them.. she didn`t even got the Nissan GTR under 8 min. around the ring and she drive a van around the ring in less then 9min...LOL.. And i don`t care if you and your other americans girls think that the RING is a real track LOL only shows how bright your ignorance shines.. Ignorance is bliss right?? Wrong it`s SAD...
@rottepung666 It makes no difference of what you THINK about the Ring. Race cars do in fact race there and the GTR has no trophy's there. But we can ignore the Ring if you want. Can you show tracks where the GTR has better times than the ACR? How many track records does the GTR? I guarantee you it's not more than the ACR...or others such as Porsche. The GTR is NOT the first choice for the majority of race teams and there's a good reason for that. Anyway, how about them trophy's please.
@thybigballs one corner hahahahahah do you REALLY think that was the only corner it was faster??? o please say yes so i can laugh my pants off... like i said in a other comment with this fucking heavy car and it`s right up there with the best is beyond impressive.. and on REAL TRACK it kicks ass.. but it has the lowest PTWR of them all so yes i would agree if they made it bit lighter and a bit more horses they would probable beat them all like they do on most real track in EU even in stock form.
@rottepung666 You said, "Top Gear tested the GTR in one corner on a REAL CIRCIUT with many other cars, and they ran trough the same corner.." And I commented on this statement. Anyway how about those sources that shows the GTR bringing home trophy's in Europe. And lets not forget those "stock" lap times showing the GTR being faster at some tracks. Can you do it? Somehow I think you won't.
@thybigballs it`s just a matter of time.. in England on Donington park they raced the fastest car against the fastest bike so it was Nissan GTR vs Bmw s1000rr.. the bike won easy but still the GTR is a BEAST..if a car is fast @ Nurburgring it dosn`t mean it`s fast on a real track.. same goes for bikes they suck @ Nurburgring but most car vs bike shoot out on a real track the bike wins easy..
@rottepung666 Wait, what? You have been boasting the GTR is the ultimate racer and even gone as far as it has won all kinds of races but now you are stating that "it's just a matter of time" and then go on to mention a race with a motorcycle for your evidence??? I am being sincere when I ask this so don't get too butthurt but are you a moron? If this was your best I suggest you say no more because you are looking very foolish right now. Btw, the Ring IS IN FACT A REAL TRACK THAT GETS RACED.
@thybigballs HAHAHAHAHA WHAT?? the ring is not a REAL track because someone race there you dumb whore.. you need your driving license to race there so therefor NOT a real track.. and there is NON legit race events what so ever so therefor NOT a real tarck.. PERIOD!!! it`s a closed road that once where the Autobhan.. can i be more clear?? and yes Sabina don`t know shit about racing 4wd car if she can`t get a GTR under 8 min while others do it in 7:20sec she sucks cock..
@rottepung666 Prove you need a drivers license to race a car in the video(GT3) link I provided earlier. Are cars required to be road legal too? I don't care what you THINK is a race track. Thousands of teams have competed there and NONE of the winners have been your GTR, so you come up with some bullshit. Your other claims have been bullshit as well. You're a GTR fanboy with blind faith. You refuse to admit the short comings of your wanna be champion car. Gimme a holler when it wins something!.
@thybigballs prove?? i raced on the nurburgring fucktard and you need to show your driving license.. when you start competing on a real track you only need to get a license to compete thats why ppl can start in a young age..THERE ARE NON LEGIT RACES ON THE NURBURGRING PERRRRRRRIOD!!!!! it`s a closed road open for all with a driving license..
@rottepung666 Sigh. I am talking about officially sanctioned races and you know it. The 24 hour is a perfect example. The circuit is closed to the public is it not. You are engaging in strawman arguments. None of this has any bearing on your GTR's piss poor racing record. The GTR is owned by the ACR on nearly any track in the world and you know it.
@thybigballs HAHAHAHA and there it is a twist of words.. all i said is the Nurburgring there is NO legit competition so therefor it`s not a legit race track.. it`s a closed road that belongs to the Autobhan LOL PWNED!!! a ACR with that wing will still lose on a real track but it should won every shit in the world with that down force.. but it sucks.. haven`t seen that much around in any other junk then the RING.. in Europe the viper is nothing corvette is but viper is NOTHING!!!!
@rottepung666 Almost all tracks have "non-legit races". Are these also not "real" race tracks? Are you seriously implying if a track opens to the public it is no longer an official track when they do close it to the public and hold sanctioned races? And if you think the ACR is junk then you must think the GTR is shit. The GTR generally isn't known for beating the ACR on the track. And the ACR usually wins over corvette on the track as well. Quit making shit up GTR fanboy.
@thybigballs NOOOOO WRONG AGAIN.. ACR IS NOTHING in the rest of the world haven`t won a single race.. maybe in USA but not here.. i am more impressed by the ZR1 doh then the "Wing From Hell" All track is open for street racing usually but if it`s a real track there is Competitions there in the weekends THEY COMPETE THERE.. and the RING is a closed road where NO ONE COMPETE IN A LEGIT RACE FORM.. thats the difference jeeeezus can`t you fucking get that LOL you`re dumber then i taught...
@rottepung666 You know what, I am having a hard time just understanding what you are trying to say. Are you implying the race in the video link I provided isn't a legit race...with professional drivers? Either way, there is not one "official fucking track" in the whole wide world where the GTR has a faster time than the ACR. The Viper uses the GTR as a chew toy. It can not and does not dominate the Viper on the track. The ACR totally owns the GTR. It's a wannabe. Nissan needs to fix the problem.
@rottepung666 Well, you need to seriously learn to write better or something because whatever the fuck you are supposedly trying to say, isn't being conveyed very well. As I have suggested, we need not even discuss what your interpertation of whether the Ring is a track. I say this, yet again, because your GTR doesn't own the ACR(and many others) at practically any track in the world. YOUR GTR SIMPLY HAS NOT SHOWN THIS. If it did, I would have no problem giving it props. But it gets no props
@thybigballs same goes for the shitty ACR as well.. and it has it`s shitty history to back that up.. @ least GTR won the GT series LOL... Bigger achievement then that will NEVER any corvette nor the viper do...
@rottepung666 "At least the GTR won a GT series"? Please research the Vipers race history. It has more than earned it's place as a contender amoungst the big boys. Your Tourist Trophy win wasn't because it outperformed on the track. But a win is a win right? Your One Lap in America "observes local speed limits". A camry coulda won the race. But a win is a win right? At the 24 hours of Ring this year it came in 36th. And using your standards, the FIA GT isn't on any track. Now what? GTR=joke!
@thybigballs OK WHAT?? FIA GT CUP is that a non legit race that goes over a hole fucking year you son of a whore??????????????????????????????????????????? dud your lost PERIOD.. a viper will NEVER NEVER be GT champ PERIOD LOLOOLOLOLOLLOLOLLLLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
@rottepung666 You are absolutely correct...the FIA GT Cup is indeed legitimate sanctioned racing . I never implied in any way it wasn't. So, a Viper will "never be a GT champ"?That's interesting. I know of nearly 30 of them(with many of them being in Europe...Teehee!). Now, do you still want to pretend the GTR is "The Beast" in relation to competing with the Viper and many others? I really think you should quit until the GTR actually has plenty more wins under it's belt. If it can that is.
@thybigballs listen you bag. they are new only talking about the R35 you fucking talking about viper the brand.. i meant the ACR viper but maybe i wasn`t clear enough.. because if we take nissan skylines then we talk many victories in the years.. in Europe they where even denied to race cause they where to good when they came out on the market.. and now for the fun part just show me the viper GT FIA CUP champ??? where is it??
@rottepung666 Sigh. Are you really trying to boil shit down to one GT? Why are you trying to nick pick or use strawman tactics? Your GTR simply is not known as a consistant champion.so just shut the fuck up about it. The is almost no demand by racing teams to enter races with the GTR and we all know why. You can deny all you want but this is reality. If you're butthurt about it thats not my problem. But good luck convincing people the GTR is a "Beast" on the track. Goodbye Mr.GTR Fanboy..
@Dominator5515 hehe yea maybe in US.. but we don`t give a shit about that do we now? it won the FIA GT1 CHAMPION SHIP 10/11 and thats kinda eh eh eh eh HUGH o no wait a min. thats the biggest event of them all over the world you ignorant tool.....
@Dominator5515 HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAH NO YOU NEED TO READ PROPERLY!!!
you fucking fag.. the drivers championship was won by: Lucas lhur and michael krumm with JR Motorsport and they did second in the Team`s champ.. so fuck off to the hell hole you came from go read som more on google you FAG...
@thybigballs they won: one lap in america in 2009 and came second overall in 2010.. they also won the GT/GT1 FIA championship in 2011 how is that for impressive fucktard.. and they have many more so just start reading fucktard.. they came in the GT cup in 2010 just to check tires and suspension and won in 2011 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i rest my case.. they`ve only been here since 2009 where they won the tourist trophy in silverstone first year..
@rottepung666 I am so glad you finally looked up the GTR's racing acomplishments. I see you got it from wikipedia as well. Now how many of these are the races were you discussing earlier in Europe? After you answer this tell us how the Porsche, Viper, Ferrari, etc. completely make your mini race wins significant. Btw, remember those fastest lap records for any tracks? Can you do a comparision with the ACR for me...maybe Porsche as well.
@thybigballs HELLO what fucking planet are you on??? GTR`s have only been here since 2009 so of course they haven`t as many W as Ferrari, lambo, porsche that are aged dinosaurs in racing.. thats the same as comparing Mike Tyson and your grandma..LOL
@rottepung666 I suggest you rethink the idea that GTR's have only been around since 2009. Btw, the SRT-10 ACR also came out that year. The first SRT-10 was 2008. Soooo...so much for the aged dinosaur thingy huh? And you would think the NEW sports car would dominate those dinosaurs....but it is hardly an improvement now isn't it? Great point you made there.
@thybigballs okeeei is your claim that Nissan GTR came in 2008 i hole year before?? either way it came for sale in 2009 and started to compete in 2009..still they came out with a hole different concept vs the Nissan skyline GTR`s thats more then you can say for Ferrari and lambo, porsche they have had 30-40-50years of experience.GTR`s is the only ones that have won the GT cup @ it`s first attempts PERIOD!! and if you don`t find that impressive you`re only an ignorant american just like the rest
@rottepung666 The GTR came out in Dec. 2007. It's funny how you discount the older GTR's but then go on to include the history of others. Again you are engaging in strawman arguments when we could be concentrating on the fact that the GTR is not the ideal racecar for 99.99% of the race teams and the reason why that is. Your GTR is not any kind of superior race car. It's good but it's not quite the best the world has to offer from manufactures. Why can't you accept this? Why all the side stepping
@rottepung666 You said,"they came in the GT cup in 2010 just to check tires and suspension and won in 2011 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i rest my case.." Let me get this straight, because in the year 2010 they were doing evaluations and then came back the next year and won a race, you think that is an amazing accomplishment and testifies to the supposed awesomeness of your GTR? Interesting. Heres one for ya: An ACR set a track record by an amateur on a practice lap.
@rottepung666 You missed the point of my questioning how you think it's amazing they were doing evaluations one year and next year raced and won. What is exactly is amazing about this?
@thybigballs okei maybe the ACR with that mongo hugh wing could do fine,but Top Gear tested the GTR in one corner on a REAL CIRCIUT with many other cars, and they ran trough the same corner, same day, same driver etc etc..they all where around 99mph next car 100mph next car 101mph you catch my drift here right? on second place the porsche GT2RS with a 102.98mph and then the nissan GTR with a 108.34mph and we have a word for that OWNED!! acceleration is nothing compared to corner speed on a track
@rottepung666 So Top Gear testing cars on ONE corner is your bar for measuring a cars track performance? Was the Viper even there by chance? Again if the GTR is such a fantastic race car where are all it's trophy's? Why don't we see it winning any GT's?
@xxlap2xx Like I have said, you don't have enough experience with Corvettes. IF the GTR is as great as you say, then explain why isn't anyone buying them and it has been this way for years? It spiked when the 2012 GTRs showed up for 2 months and then dropped like a stone. The fact is the GTR has a NIche following and that is it. Corvettes have been around for almost 60 years. All of that tech provides a numb feeling to most drivers. Ask people. Real drivers prefer a proper manual.
@Marc99GT u simply cant look outside the box.. overall it's not just my opinion.. knowing what's inside both cars does not make u a experience driver, as many others.. the sales of the gtr does not represent the performance and as well as the fact that the gtr is more sophisticated than the vette
@xxlap2xx I have been a tech for 20 years so I wouldn't say that I only look at the outside of the box. I have seen more of what goes on behind the curtain than any non-tech so that is far from an accurate statement. You guys just see a few Corvettes, speak to a few people and think you have an understanding vs people that have followed them for over 20 years. I'm here to clearly state that you don't. It requires 2 driving different driving styles. More sophisticated doesn't mean better.
@Marc99GT no matter how long u work on cars.. u're not going to gain and track experience by doing that.. just take it from the pros out there.. not even ferrari can touch the stability of gtr.. basically the american picked the easiest way to achieve speed, while the japs picked the hard way, which yielded much better overall performance for customers..
@Marc99GT i just have to say, since u don't have circuit experience.. u're not going to know how much there are from entering to exiting a corner.. hence, u will never know how well the gtr can solve that for the driver, and how easy the gtr made cornering looked, even in critical condition.. that's what makes gtr unique.. and that's what the vette can't do..
@xxlap2xx Honestly speaking though, tell me who lives on a track? No one. The ZO6 and ZR1 have posted 10 second times at a drag strip. No stock GTR has including the new version for a few reasons. I don't care about circuit racing because I have never lost a race on the street to a better handling car that made less power. It is a bit unrealistic. You think bcause of how the GTR is on a track makes it a better car. You will never understand the tech side until you work on them yourself.
@Marc99GT u still can't think out of a box.. ur life is still full of street straight racing which basically the more $ u throw on a car, the faster u are.. and no i'm not saying the time of the ring sells a car.. the gtr feels far better than the zr1 in terms of conform and drive experience.. 700ft is not long at all in the ring.. so as 4.5 sec is not much.. and what makes u think working on a car will teach u how to drive?
@xxlap2xx I never said working on a car teaches you how to drive. I agree that driving does, but it does make me sensative to everything regarding a car. I have to fix noises, leaks, smells, the car pulling, drifting to one side when braking or not, and so on so over 20 years has made me sensative to everything going on with a car especially feel.
@Marc99GT yes it's pretty pointless to argue which one is better since both have ups and downs.. i respect all kind of racing but i have to admit that the new tech for the gtr is the way to go for the future.. honestly, if i have a choice of choosing either cars.. i'll go with the vette instead.. simply do to the joy it provides which the gtr can't.. and it's close relationship to the s2000.. i'm sure i will learn a lot more car control driving a vette than the gtr
@Marc99GT u've never raced in a circuit.. u've never tuned a car for circuit.. but at ur technical level, u know better that which car can handles itself better, which is better for driver, better in terms of quality and reliability.. in a real world, road condition comes in the first place, then weather, ect.. if the zr1 happened to decides race a gtr on canyon at night raining.. the vette soon will become a coffin
@xxlap2xx I'm sure we can find some common ground and agree that all of these new high performance cars are amazing. This arguing is a bit pointless. The S2000 is actually a well respected track car and I know a few people that track them and do extremely well. Some Miata friends. I don't like to use terms like a better too often because it depends on your plans, experience and probably a dozen other factors. To be honest, the GTR uses Extreme summer tires so it's not smart to push in the rain.
@Marc99GT also, in the real world.. doing quick in a quarter mile doesnt much seriously.. tell me how many roads out there are opened for u to push from 0 - 200mph daily.. and what makes u so proud of winning a car on the street that makes less power anyways? take it to the track, win them there, then brag.. i myself do play around w/ the suspension settings on my s2000, which i take it to the track.. it's not a fast car, but it's enough for me to learn.. so i do know what i'm talking about here
@xxlap2xx You hoestly don't think that it is impressive that GM gets a 427ci engine to get better mpg and weigh less than engines 2 liters smaller while passing emissions and offering a 100K powertrain warranty behind it? I don't know if you have ever worked on engines before or built a car, but it is quite impressive and far from easy. The car runs the ring as well as it does and is as docile on the street as a kitten. I have been in a few ZO6s and in overdrive, you barely hear it running.
@Marc99GT you're very technical on ur side.. not that i don't believe u but there's no evident out there that claims chevy's reliability is better than japanese cars.. the engine might be strong.. but there's a lot more things put together for the car to run properly..
@xxlap2xx I never said that chevrolet is more reliable, but the Corvette does come with a factory powertrain warranty that is better than all of the others. The fact that Nissan was hauled into California federal court because of many transmission failures and not honoring the warranty was not a good start. The transmissions are not any stronger, they just have safety provisions programmed in to protect them from damage. 4 Consecutive LC hits until the fluid temperatures drops comes to mind.
@Marc99GT the 427ci might be more impressive on your side since u race in straight line, and fix cars. but in the real circuit racing, it's not as impressive as the gtr when it comes to throttle, and engine response and doing the job well w/ the tranny all at once. theres a big difference if u look at a car from different perspectives.. and as for me, i look at it from a circuit performance point of view, because that's what i care if i were to get a vette. noise on 6th gear dont mean much to me
@xxlap2xx What does the size of the engine have to do with a straightline? The car weighs just over 3,100 lbs so it is quite ok on a road course and produces enough torque throughout the powerrband to have tall gears for cruising on the highway and getting great mpg for a 500+ hp car. You are use to smaller cars and so it doesn't fit your style.
@Marc99GT considering the 2012 zr1 is only 4.5 sec quicker in a 14miles track, not to mention it's light weight and power advantage.. and all those stickier tires and suspension upgrades ect, from the 2011 model.. it's not that impressive really..
@xxlap2xx It is not that impressive to non-technical people. I'm not impressed by a 3.8L with 2 turbos making 530 hp when I owned an 87 GN and made that much power through heads that flowed over 60 cfm less on the intake, one cam and not 4, 12 valves and not 24, with 1 turbo on a 20 year old block. Just FYI, I believe the track is just below 13 miles long or 12.9. The ZO6 posted a better time than the GT2 RS at Leguna Seca both on Sport Cups and down over 100 hp. That's very impressive.
@Marc99GT if u can build something so impressive.. then how come gm can't do it?? i doubt u GN is even street legal.. when it comes to engine response, that GN is nothing.. "It is not that impressive to non-technical people" when it comes to racing.. who drives the car?? technician or the professional driver.. what technician looks at is how well the car is built, and what drivers look at is how well the car "performs".. get the difference?
@xxlap2xx GM did it that is why nothing foreign or domestic could touch the GN in straightline performance in 1987. It was embarrassing Porsche vehicles that were 50K for a mere $17K. The GNX destroyed everything but exotics for 29K. My 87 GN was 100% street legal and emissions legal. It had a high flow cat and was well tuned on 93 octane so I know it was emissions legal and passed every year. How about the tech that drives the car? Look who drives the Corvettes around the Ring.
@xxlap2xx I'm sure the sport cups are worse for the rain, but if you look at the people that buy Corvettes, they are successful, affluent and can definitely afford a daily driver. Anyone that can afford a 110-120K car can afford a daily driver without any problems. We get several feet of snow here in NY and no GTRs were on the streets here because ground clearance is more of a factor than AWD.
@Marc99GT i know for a fact that ppl who bought either car won't use it as a daily.. but the gtr is in fact more of a "daily" compare to the vette.. and yes i'm kinda impressed by the mpg that it gets for such an engine.. but the vettes mpg aint something will be really considered when someone is purchasing such car..
@Marc99GT it's good to see that GMs are providing such warranty nowadays.. base on your experience.. i'm kind of curious of how kroean cars are doing? hows their reliability up to this date? they don't have much K-cars in LA but here in Dallas we have a lot...
@xxlap2xx The reliability of Korean cars is great actually. I have plenty of customers with Sonatas, Elantras, Sedonas, Tuscons and Sorentos. They can be a bit tough to work on at times. The Alternator on V6 sonatas is located near the back of the engine and down on the passenger side and you have to take out the CV axle and jack. up that side of the engine to get it out. Tune-ups on the Sorento are unreal and take about 4-6 hours. Other than that, they are fine.
@Marc99GT not bad.. if u don't mind, wonder if i can bother u sometimes to ask u for some DIY tips haha.. forums just couldnt help me out enough on DIY sometimes!
@xxlap2xx no problem. I have software with the specs, labor times, parts, wiring diagrams, troubleshooting for just about every model from 1984-2009. Getting an upgrade soon to include 2011. I also have Auto Enginuity software on my laptop for reading Check engine lights, SRS, ABS, ESP/BAS, TPMS, Traction systems, body control modules, Heating and AC systems, activations,etc. You invest alot when you work on many different models.
@Marc99GT that's awesome! yea i've heard a little about that software that gives all u need to know troubleshootings.. and it cost over $1k per license.. it's always good to have a master sifu to back me up sometimes haha.. thank u in advance.. i just posted two videos of me hitting the track back in LA.. one of them shows how i blew my axel (yea that's rly stupid).. at least a little prove that i'm actually speakin the truth and not making things up.. take a look!
@Marc99GT just accept the fact that the the tech of the vette is getting old, been around for long does not mean it's superior to others.. "real drivers prefer a proper manual" what do u mean by real? street drivers, racing drivers, professional drivers, or what?? u kept pointing fingers at the material that gtr uses.. think about it, if the gtr uses what the vette use.. on it's sophisticated tech, w/ those ceramic brakes, carbon fiber, all that.. the gtr will just swallow the vette..
@xxlap2xx Just accept the fact that it still works and well. How many 500+ hp cars get over 26 mpg with 427 ci? None!. Very few do it with even less cubes. The GTR would also be approaching 200K like the GTR Spec V. It doesn't so it is not worth talking about. They can barely make a profit on each one as it is which is why the price increased. Do you consider it old tech when it won the 24 hours of Le MAns in a class it was only in for 2 years after chasing everyone out of the GT1 class?
@Marc99GT first of all, a full race version of any car is totally different than production version.. and i'm not even saying the vette is slow, but u just can't help it but to defend it.. doing well in le mans does not make the production version of a car superior or sophisticated to others.. porsche does well too but how fast it clocked in the ring?? watch?v=brNtbaMadX4 what makes a car unique is when it can perform well in any condition, anywhere and any time.. thats what the vette can't do
@xxlap2xx That is not what makes it a great car which is why it is not a great seller. What makes a great car is how the driver feels driving it. No time around the Ring will ever sell a vehicle. You are saying that 4.5 seconds is not very much but cars overaging over 100 mph puts their distance of almost 700 ft between them. In racing, that is a serious win.
@Marc99GT sales won't reflect a car's overall performance, specially w/ this kind of price.. u're just starting to spread nonsense.. US is not in a very good shape, and u know better than that.. and what in the world makes u think turning off tcs will make u go slower on a track?? for u probably, but not for those who knows how to drive
@xxlap2xx The US is the number 1 market for the GTR so I'm not sure you are aware of this. I did not say turning oiff the TCS will make it slower around the track.
@Marc99GT lol gtrs are being bought everywhere in the country and the gtr has been around and killing v8's since 1989 lol the corvette just got as fast as it is before 1990 it was a slow ugly mess
@xxlap2xx The GTR has nothing the Vette has or it would have Carbon Ceramic brakes instead of steel rotors which will never take the punishment that long because they can't dissipate the heat especially with the additional weight. The rotors for the GTR are only just over $1,000 each so tracking one gets expensive real fast.
Did you type what's the point of racing with the TCS on? The GTR has more nannies than any other car they test. Turn them off and see the performance stats fade.
anyone can put a big engine into a car and squeeze performance out of it. specially w/ wide body and fat stick tires.. but it's not a easy task when u're trying to squeeze stability out of it, which gives driver the confident to push the car hard, and where the driver and car can actually communicate, ect. the viper and vette are sure fast but its not sophisticated in anyway. they're way far from being as impressive as the gtr and the lfa for example, and many others. basically it has no soul..
@xxlap2xx They are not sophisticated in your simple mind. Only ignorant people on YT that know nothing about either form that baseless opinion. That is why Ferrari bought the Suspension from GM to use in the 599. Sophistication doesn't mean better. The fact that a CAN signal goes around a ring and passes through 2 control units to put up a window in a Mercedes makes it sophisticated, but not better than a simple switch & relay. Both perform the job equally well.
@Marc99GT fact is that suspension is not the only element that gives the car good stability.. the engine and tranny comes into play a big time, and theres more.. the 599 is not even considered a "race" ferrari.. it's more of a luxury type of ferrari w/ big engine that goes fast on straight.. it does horrible in corners compare to the vette and the gtr..
@Marc99GT now back to the topic.. w/ the vette, a simple mistake such as not synchronizing the rev on down shifting good enough when entering a corner, is enough to throw that vette out to the dirt, if the driver is not careful enough.. this is what happen when you have too much torque to the rear wheels.. when it comes to racing, consistency is what matters the most.. that's what the vette's lacked of.. gtr in the other hand have what the vette don't have except the raw power..
@xxlap2xx If you notice when the Vette is driven on road course their is very little shifting that takes place because of the broad torque band and Carbon Ceramic brakes with much more stopping force. Now that the ZO6 and ZR1 both have performance traction management, what you are describing is a non-issue. The issues wit the GTR that you fail to post or realize is the brakes start to fade after a few laps and the transmission fluid gets extremely hot ouytting it in limp home mode.
@Marc99GT very little shifting takes place on the road?? what u stay second the whole time?? i'm not even talking about road performance.. the gtr will eat the vette on daily basis usage in that case.. w/ weather, pavement, conditions.. not to mention the comfort the gtr offers.. the vette is a toy.. it's not a all around car.. also, what's the point of racing w/ tcs on?? even a 350z can save u being oversteer on a corner.. i'm talking about pushing both cars to the limit on the track..
@xxlap2xx The GTR is not eating the Corvette in any shape or form except maybe 0-60 due to AWD and 4K LC. Have you ever seen what the GTR runs without LC? It is not even close to with it. You are assuming since you have never pushed either around a track. The fact is, the ZO6 and ZR1 are better track cars especially for doing it all day. Did you know anything about what I mentioned regarding tracking a GTR? I doubt it. Ask the people on the GTR websites that actually track them.
@Marc99GT what i'm talking about the gtr eating the vette.. i meant on daily basis.. if theres LC for u to use why not use it? although the tranny will get overheat after a few launches.. it's like theres a clutch for vette, why not using it?? that's just silly.. and no i have not owned a gtr or tracked one.. but i do know the concept of racing.. i used to hit the track back in LA.. but now i'm in texas..
@Marc99GT what really makes the vette a better track car out of the box, it's because its mainly built for track.. the vette won't do u very well on the road.. fact.. the gtr had everything the vette has and more.. except raw power, and probably some technical issues on the track.. due to new technology.. it's not a big deal at all if the owner knows what it needs to be done..not to mention the gtr has a lot more potential on tuning it's cornering and speed than the vette..
@xxlap2xx You continue to state more opinion than facts in your comments. You have know idea about tuning corvettes or what the magnetic select ride control and PTM are capable of in the ZO6 & ZR1. So to state that the GTR can be tuned bettter at the track is based on zero experience tuning either. The Zo6 427ci has more power potental on any fuel than the ZR1 & GTR, fact. It is a big deal when the break jobs, recommended by Nissan, are 8K. Not having as much raw power is a big deal.
@Marc99GT with the weight of the gtr.. it's not a surprising that the brake will start to fade after a number of runs.. that's not an issue at all considering if they can afford a gtr.. upgrading the brakes won't be a big deal for them if they really wanted to push the car.. question, do u have a racing license from skip barber?? i had a frd from there too.. his name is charles ng.. just wondering if u know him.. his channel user/ngcharleshk..
@xxlap2xx If it were not for the protections built into the GTR, many people that actually track their cars would send the transmissions to heaven and in a hurry. When the transmission fluid hits 260-280 degrees, it switches to automatic mode and 6th gear only until the temperature drops. That happens on the same day if you are tracking the car too long. That wih fading brakes does not make it an incredible track car for more than a few laps at a time.
@Marc99GT other than the tranny going to heaven for the gtr on a regular track day.. what other downs can u point out?? i'll look it up in the forum later.. just a thought here.. all these overheating issues u're mentioning.. wont it sound silly to someone who actually track their gtr? it's not a problem at all if they do their preparations.. a simple upgrade of the brake, and tranny cooler arnt too hard right?? it's something that most ppl who tracks their car will do..
@xxlap2xx The fact is that you have to add these components to the GTR and don't have to add anything to a ZO6 or ZR1. Just like most people will have the proper tires and in that case, the GTR will never get near a ZR1 on a road course. The car pulls more Gs in the turns and out accelerates the GTR something horrible on straights. Do you see the time for the ZO6 at Leguna Seca? it is quicker than the GT2 RS. Of course there are a number of factors that could cause this.
@Marc99GT it's not just opinion that i'm commenting. i myself do have experience on tracking a awd and rwd car.. when it comes to drive ability, stability, and consistency.. the vette is no where near the the gtr.. my frd charles as i mentioned before, he tracked vettes and gtrs.. some of the things i'm saying are base on the fact that hes providing.. do u have any track experience? all i'm hearing from u is just technical issues being thrown on the gtr, like theres no issues w/ the vette at all
@xxlap2xx I have track experience, drag raced for 3 years and have been working on Corvettes and following them for over 20 years. I doubt your friend has driven a 2011+ with PTM, MSRC or them on PS2s or Sport cups so this is all academic at best. I doubt he has tracked GTRs or he would certainly know about the problems I described be people actually tracking them.
@Marc99GT drag racing only?? so u never tracked on a circuit??.. there's no for me to explain all these while u don't even know how to apex right.. and yes he drove the 2011+ a few time.. theres a chance that he will post a video of him running in button willow soon.. as some of his frd does too.. all of them consider the zr1 quick, but can never compete with the gtr in terms of smoothness
5 km/h better with 100hp more !! Haha !! Vette is crap!
FunkyAndroid1 1 week ago
Lets see them go from a dig
dec0y8 1 week ago
@Fr4nkWh1te My brother has a zr1 and has had it since 2010 and still runs like new. Your stupid point is pure lies haha
Trx450rallday 1 week ago
ZR1 wins. Nothing else matters..
CheatinChad 2 weeks ago
ok now im confused. how did the gtr beat the lfa from a rolling start?
cardude1992 2 weeks ago
You fuck tard the Gtr just started to compete in lemans! Do u know how long the viper and the vette has been racing in the lemans series?
JDMHMONGBOY96 3 weeks ago
We all knew the ZR1 would win. Face it, for around 100k, you can own an unstoppable monster. I bought one 4 months ago and I get excited every time I grab the key.
Off2theGym1987 3 weeks ago
@Off2theGym1987 I'm surprised it did win as slow as he was shifting.
iPROFITDON 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from nju29
gtr and zr1 were pretty close.. compared to the 09 models.. lol.. Actually a pretty fun race to watch!! :)
SDkawi6 4 weeks ago
GTR is a master piece car.
vtc4ever 1 month ago
@vtc4ever a master piece of overrated shit. it gets owned by a less hp 2012 Z06 on the track, at the ring, top speed, braking, cornering, and the 2012 Z06 has better seats than the GTR as of 2012, no computers,LC, AWD, look it up
skillz1855 3 weeks ago
@skillz1855 Corvette, it's fast - until it falls apart... after a month
Fr4nkWh1te 1 week ago
WARNING! Pointless argument below. Please stick to the video.
bloodcorer 1 month ago 8
all the computers, awd, LC, more hp, and a Robot as a co-pilot cant touch good old fashioned precised engineering of the ZR1 (
skillz1855 1 month ago
@skillz1855 but we all know that not even China would import these "masterpieces of precised engineering" for obvious reasons.
ryanc519 1 month ago
Wow! Im surprised to witness a vid of a ZR1 IN JAPAN winning...
opioid82 1 month ago
screw all of you that have never owned a vette or a gtr. psh.
yewuntthu 1 month ago
ryanc519 -- < You are writing the contents which have not been said at all.
comicmaterial887 2 months ago
Japanese translation:
Green guy: the vette seems to be owning all the other cars in terms of horsepower today. It is fast on straight road, but I don't think it can handle the slightest turn once we take it up to the hill.
Other guy: Agreed. It is a piece of crap American car.
ryanc519 2 months ago
@ryanc519
you mom must be really pissed for having such a fag
TheTrin3ty 1 month ago
@TheTrin3ty This fag will fuck you up in the ass haha
Vampire285 1 month ago
@ryanc519 but we all know it kills the GTR in the corners as well, they jus did another test against the 2013 GTR, the ZR1 but rapped it by 3.5 secs on a twisty track , guess u have to wait for the 2015 GTR with 1000 hp to compete
skillz1855 1 month ago
someone should disable comments ..
zeydgtrzilla 2 months ago
Let them try the new 2013 GTR vs ZR1...
Seventh7Art 2 months ago
@Seventh7Art I heard they were redoing the vette for 2012-2013. It may be bumped up to 700+ I have been told.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@Seventh7Art yeah against the 2013 zr1, and it will still be the same outcome, if not worse for the gtr. cock
k4n3n1 2 months ago
@k4n3n1 LOL yeah he's insane,, and this is a 2011 ZR1
ABDZ89 2 months ago
@Seventh7Art wait for 2014 model! :DDDD
PreludeH22A5 2 months ago
And just to be clear this is a roll race from 50kph just so the other cars would even dream of hanging on the GTR.. the ZR1 has the advantage here with 820-840NM of torque in english: Something that helps ALOT on a roll race..
rottepung666 2 months ago
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Nissan GTR is clearly the winner here guys... This is a Acceleration competition right?? ok yes.
Nissan ptwr: 530bhp/1740kg= 304bhp per ton
lexus ptwr: 560bhp/1480kg=378bhp per ton
Porsche ptwr: 620bhp/1445kg=429bhp per ton
ZR1 ptwr: 640bhp/1530=418bhp per ton so with that low PTWR the GTR is just 5kph behinde nothing.. if they both ZR1 and GTR would have the same power to weight ration the GTR would have 730bhp on the spot hmmmmmm wonder how that race would end LOL..
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rottepung666 2 months ago
Honestly these are all badass cars. I'd choose the lfa due to the fact that umm vetted are everywhere. Gtrs are also becoming common. Porsche = ugly... Id choose either viper or lfa but id take lfa. Who cares if one is slighlty faster. Most the time on the street you wouldnt be able to put these cars to their limit anyways. And lfa has more wow factor.
donisthabomb1 3 months ago
GT2 RS all the way!
luciferrrrr 3 months ago
@luciferrrrr all the way at the BACK.... its the most expensive car here and it got owned by the GTR and ZR1
haloaum 3 months ago
@haloaum I don't care, I love this car and would choose it anytime
luciferrrrr 3 months ago
Carbon body panels, super wide grip tires and the Zr1 walks everything in its path, but im surprised that the asian guy drives with the correct shift point as he did, great video guys,
skillz1855 3 months ago
honest japanese people!!! They say what is good is good despite the country of origin.
yuish140 3 months ago
Wasnt expecting ZR1 to beat the GT2 RS. Porsche defeated.
rforracing 3 months ago
@rforracing this video is wrong really..look at fastestlapsdotcom specs..GT2Rs is faster then zr1 even with it's " "small"" engine
golf1diesel 3 months ago
@golf1diesel You got a video to prove it? In fact, if you think GT2 RS has a lot of turbo lag which explains its slow acceleration from a rolling start and ZR1 also has way more torque than the GT2.
ZR1 will always smoke the GT2 RS in a straight line.
rforracing 3 months ago
how does a car as heavy as the gtr manage to beat everything it battles
omgimfreaknsexi 4 months ago
@omgimfreaknsexi GT-R's gearing is biased towards acceleration instead of top speed and low speed traction.
Leonidae 3 months ago
@Leonidae yes thats true gtr is just wayy to much for the rest of those cars
omgimfreaknsexi 3 months ago
@omgimfreaknsexi If a Viper would have been there I doubt you would make such a statement about the GTR beating everything. Oh yeah, I didn't see the GTR beat everything in this video.
thybigballs 3 months ago
@thybigballs lol the gtr is the best all arounder like i said it can corner far better than a viper and zr1
omgimfreaknsexi 3 months ago
@omgimfreaknsexi ZR1 and Viper are faster on Nurburgring :P
blazzing4321 3 months ago
@blazzing4321 your so ignorant that your not getting my point lol who cares about the times around the ring like i said the gtr looks better and is more of a bargin an can fit four people but your worried about lap times on a track that you most likely will never drive and im sure if you were put on a zr1 or viper you wouldnt crack 7;50 on the ring so boom and stop bein so mad
omgimfreaknsexi 3 months ago
@omgimfreaknsexi Times prove everything my friend. Don't be mad...
blazzing4321 3 months ago
@blazzing4321 ok see how dumb you look when your buying a car that you could probably never set a quick lap time in lol people just be so mad that american cars suck ass and always have
omgimfreaknsexi 3 months ago
@omgimfreaknsexi Dude if you can afford any of those cars and even care to buy them, trust me the last thing on your mind will be how many people you can fit in it.
SuperVan90 3 months ago
@SuperVan90 im still young and vibrant not old and compensating like all you old small dick bithces lol so therefor i have friends who i would want in my car the sexy affordable masterpiece GTR while your in your viper or vette with plastic pieces falling off drinking up gas and wasting tires
omgimfreaknsexi 3 months ago
@omgimfreaknsexi GTR is the best all arounder in which regards? Going to the mall in comfort? The Viper has tons of cornering grip. Both the Viper and Vette have faster times at the Ring. Viper was 10+sec faster than the GTR. That means the GTR lags behind about a 1/4 mile per lap. The Ring is an excellent track to prove the "all arounder" of a car. Here's a vid of Viper in a race at the track. It corners with the best of them and kicks ass...even with a restrictor: /watch?v=PQytPHXBYXY
thybigballs 3 months ago
@thybigballs WHAT WHAT WHAT???? the so called "RING" is not really a track it`s a part of the autobhan, it`sa a closed road you dumb whore... ALL these cars are so similar matched, that you can`t really tell the difference.. this means on the RING it comes down to one thing ONLY one thing: how CRAZY can you be.. it`s like being fast on the street..try a REAL CIRCIUT and you would see a whole different story.. nothing wrong with ZR1 and Viper ACR but they don`t stand a chance on a real circiut..
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Thr Ring isn't really a race track? Good luck getting ANYONE to agree with you. Either way it doesn't matter what you want to classify it as now does it? Where are all the championships of the GTR "owning"? Wanna compare the GTR's track wins? Oh yeah, is this what you mean about the GTR owning on a track and cornering? /watch?v=3O434tbOaaI
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs you`re from america of course.. then it`s ok.. but don`t show me a vid of a girl LOL... And it won much all ready in Europe.. in Germany it even beat a Porsche GT in stock form HAHAHA so good luck on getting anyone to agree with you.. first of all i meant in stock form.. and if you take PTWR in consider it`s the best of them all even on the RING!!! ALL 4wd understeer if you go full throttle mid corner like this stupid bitch does..
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Do you think you are a better driver or that you know more about how a car functions than Sabine? She would embarrass you. I'm happy that you're proud of your edge over a Porsche. What event are you refering to exactly? And what are the events where " it won much already in Europe". Are we discussing a PTWR?
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs if you knew anything about this women then you would understand.. she says this about ALL 4wd cars cause she can`t drive them.. she didn`t even got the Nissan GTR under 8 min. around the ring and she drive a van around the ring in less then 9min...LOL.. And i don`t care if you and your other americans girls think that the RING is a real track LOL only shows how bright your ignorance shines.. Ignorance is bliss right?? Wrong it`s SAD...
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 It makes no difference of what you THINK about the Ring. Race cars do in fact race there and the GTR has no trophy's there. But we can ignore the Ring if you want. Can you show tracks where the GTR has better times than the ACR? How many track records does the GTR? I guarantee you it's not more than the ACR...or others such as Porsche. The GTR is NOT the first choice for the majority of race teams and there's a good reason for that. Anyway, how about them trophy's please.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs one corner hahahahahah do you REALLY think that was the only corner it was faster??? o please say yes so i can laugh my pants off... like i said in a other comment with this fucking heavy car and it`s right up there with the best is beyond impressive.. and on REAL TRACK it kicks ass.. but it has the lowest PTWR of them all so yes i would agree if they made it bit lighter and a bit more horses they would probable beat them all like they do on most real track in EU even in stock form.
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 You said, "Top Gear tested the GTR in one corner on a REAL CIRCIUT with many other cars, and they ran trough the same corner.." And I commented on this statement. Anyway how about those sources that shows the GTR bringing home trophy's in Europe. And lets not forget those "stock" lap times showing the GTR being faster at some tracks. Can you do it? Somehow I think you won't.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs it`s just a matter of time.. in England on Donington park they raced the fastest car against the fastest bike so it was Nissan GTR vs Bmw s1000rr.. the bike won easy but still the GTR is a BEAST..if a car is fast @ Nurburgring it dosn`t mean it`s fast on a real track.. same goes for bikes they suck @ Nurburgring but most car vs bike shoot out on a real track the bike wins easy..
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Wait, what? You have been boasting the GTR is the ultimate racer and even gone as far as it has won all kinds of races but now you are stating that "it's just a matter of time" and then go on to mention a race with a motorcycle for your evidence??? I am being sincere when I ask this so don't get too butthurt but are you a moron? If this was your best I suggest you say no more because you are looking very foolish right now. Btw, the Ring IS IN FACT A REAL TRACK THAT GETS RACED.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs HAHAHAHAHA WHAT?? the ring is not a REAL track because someone race there you dumb whore.. you need your driving license to race there so therefor NOT a real track.. and there is NON legit race events what so ever so therefor NOT a real tarck.. PERIOD!!! it`s a closed road that once where the Autobhan.. can i be more clear?? and yes Sabina don`t know shit about racing 4wd car if she can`t get a GTR under 8 min while others do it in 7:20sec she sucks cock..
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Prove you need a drivers license to race a car in the video(GT3) link I provided earlier. Are cars required to be road legal too? I don't care what you THINK is a race track. Thousands of teams have competed there and NONE of the winners have been your GTR, so you come up with some bullshit. Your other claims have been bullshit as well. You're a GTR fanboy with blind faith. You refuse to admit the short comings of your wanna be champion car. Gimme a holler when it wins something!.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs prove?? i raced on the nurburgring fucktard and you need to show your driving license.. when you start competing on a real track you only need to get a license to compete thats why ppl can start in a young age..THERE ARE NON LEGIT RACES ON THE NURBURGRING PERRRRRRRIOD!!!!! it`s a closed road open for all with a driving license..
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Sigh. I am talking about officially sanctioned races and you know it. The 24 hour is a perfect example. The circuit is closed to the public is it not. You are engaging in strawman arguments. None of this has any bearing on your GTR's piss poor racing record. The GTR is owned by the ACR on nearly any track in the world and you know it.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs HAHAHAHA and there it is a twist of words.. all i said is the Nurburgring there is NO legit competition so therefor it`s not a legit race track.. it`s a closed road that belongs to the Autobhan LOL PWNED!!! a ACR with that wing will still lose on a real track but it should won every shit in the world with that down force.. but it sucks.. haven`t seen that much around in any other junk then the RING.. in Europe the viper is nothing corvette is but viper is NOTHING!!!!
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Almost all tracks have "non-legit races". Are these also not "real" race tracks? Are you seriously implying if a track opens to the public it is no longer an official track when they do close it to the public and hold sanctioned races? And if you think the ACR is junk then you must think the GTR is shit. The GTR generally isn't known for beating the ACR on the track. And the ACR usually wins over corvette on the track as well. Quit making shit up GTR fanboy.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs NOOOOO WRONG AGAIN.. ACR IS NOTHING in the rest of the world haven`t won a single race.. maybe in USA but not here.. i am more impressed by the ZR1 doh then the "Wing From Hell" All track is open for street racing usually but if it`s a real track there is Competitions there in the weekends THEY COMPETE THERE.. and the RING is a closed road where NO ONE COMPETE IN A LEGIT RACE FORM.. thats the difference jeeeezus can`t you fucking get that LOL you`re dumber then i taught...
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 You know what, I am having a hard time just understanding what you are trying to say. Are you implying the race in the video link I provided isn't a legit race...with professional drivers? Either way, there is not one "official fucking track" in the whole wide world where the GTR has a faster time than the ACR. The Viper uses the GTR as a chew toy. It can not and does not dominate the Viper on the track. The ACR totally owns the GTR. It's a wannabe. Nissan needs to fix the problem.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs O MY FUCKING GOD!!! it`s like telling a dog or a blond girl. . . ahhh, o that must be it!!!
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Well, you need to seriously learn to write better or something because whatever the fuck you are supposedly trying to say, isn't being conveyed very well. As I have suggested, we need not even discuss what your interpertation of whether the Ring is a track. I say this, yet again, because your GTR doesn't own the ACR(and many others) at practically any track in the world. YOUR GTR SIMPLY HAS NOT SHOWN THIS. If it did, I would have no problem giving it props. But it gets no props
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs same goes for the shitty ACR as well.. and it has it`s shitty history to back that up.. @ least GTR won the GT series LOL... Bigger achievement then that will NEVER any corvette nor the viper do...
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 "At least the GTR won a GT series"? Please research the Vipers race history. It has more than earned it's place as a contender amoungst the big boys. Your Tourist Trophy win wasn't because it outperformed on the track. But a win is a win right? Your One Lap in America "observes local speed limits". A camry coulda won the race. But a win is a win right? At the 24 hours of Ring this year it came in 36th. And using your standards, the FIA GT isn't on any track. Now what? GTR=joke!
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs OK WHAT?? FIA GT CUP is that a non legit race that goes over a hole fucking year you son of a whore??????????????????????????????????????????? dud your lost PERIOD.. a viper will NEVER NEVER be GT champ PERIOD LOLOOLOLOLOLLOLOLLLLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 You are absolutely correct...the FIA GT Cup is indeed legitimate sanctioned racing . I never implied in any way it wasn't. So, a Viper will "never be a GT champ"?That's interesting. I know of nearly 30 of them(with many of them being in Europe...Teehee!). Now, do you still want to pretend the GTR is "The Beast" in relation to competing with the Viper and many others? I really think you should quit until the GTR actually has plenty more wins under it's belt. If it can that is.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs listen you bag. they are new only talking about the R35 you fucking talking about viper the brand.. i meant the ACR viper but maybe i wasn`t clear enough.. because if we take nissan skylines then we talk many victories in the years.. in Europe they where even denied to race cause they where to good when they came out on the market.. and now for the fun part just show me the viper GT FIA CUP champ??? where is it??
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 Sigh. Are you really trying to boil shit down to one GT? Why are you trying to nick pick or use strawman tactics? Your GTR simply is not known as a consistant champion.so just shut the fuck up about it. The is almost no demand by racing teams to enter races with the GTR and we all know why. You can deny all you want but this is reality. If you're butthurt about it thats not my problem. But good luck convincing people the GTR is a "Beast" on the track. Goodbye Mr.GTR Fanboy..
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs And there it is NOTHING YOU GOT NOTHING.. Dud "Goodbye Mr.GTR Fanboy" SERIOUSLY DUD!!!! LOL
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 the vette won the sebring and daytona endurance events. im a gtr fan but dont get biased mate.
yewuntthu 1 month ago
@yewuntthu yea and the GTR won so much more LOL!!!!
rottepung666 1 month ago
@rottepung666
you idiot there is no car that has more gt victories than Viper or Corvette , gtr will never ever win gt class at le mans never
Dominator5515 1 month ago
@rottepung666
Viper has domianated gt class in late 90s and early 2000s , C5R mid 2000s and now its C6R you ignorant fool
Dominator5515 1 month ago
@Dominator5515 hehe yea maybe in US.. but we don`t give a shit about that do we now? it won the FIA GT1 CHAMPION SHIP 10/11 and thats kinda eh eh eh eh HUGH o no wait a min. thats the biggest event of them all over the world you ignorant tool.....
rottepung666 1 month ago
@rottepung666
FIA Gt1 2011 was won By HEXIS aston martin 2010 was won by VITAPHONE maserati ,FIA is crap sellout show , btw Viper won it 3 time row
24 hours of le mans / series is real challenge much more respectable and prestige .
read some info then reply me back you idiot
Dominator5515 1 month ago
@Dominator5515 HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAH NO YOU NEED TO READ PROPERLY!!!
you fucking fag.. the drivers championship was won by: Lucas lhur and michael krumm with JR Motorsport and they did second in the Team`s champ.. so fuck off to the hell hole you came from go read som more on google you FAG...
rottepung666 1 month ago
@Dominator5515 BTW FAG: NISSAN GTR
rottepung666 1 month ago
@rottepung666
zr1 owned gtr video above proved it , gook with micro penis
Dominator5515 1 month ago
@thybigballs they won: one lap in america in 2009 and came second overall in 2010.. they also won the GT/GT1 FIA championship in 2011 how is that for impressive fucktard.. and they have many more so just start reading fucktard.. they came in the GT cup in 2010 just to check tires and suspension and won in 2011 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i rest my case.. they`ve only been here since 2009 where they won the tourist trophy in silverstone first year..
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 I am so glad you finally looked up the GTR's racing acomplishments. I see you got it from wikipedia as well. Now how many of these are the races were you discussing earlier in Europe? After you answer this tell us how the Porsche, Viper, Ferrari, etc. completely make your mini race wins significant. Btw, remember those fastest lap records for any tracks? Can you do a comparision with the ACR for me...maybe Porsche as well.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs HELLO what fucking planet are you on??? GTR`s have only been here since 2009 so of course they haven`t as many W as Ferrari, lambo, porsche that are aged dinosaurs in racing.. thats the same as comparing Mike Tyson and your grandma..LOL
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 I suggest you rethink the idea that GTR's have only been around since 2009. Btw, the SRT-10 ACR also came out that year. The first SRT-10 was 2008. Soooo...so much for the aged dinosaur thingy huh? And you would think the NEW sports car would dominate those dinosaurs....but it is hardly an improvement now isn't it? Great point you made there.
thybigballs 2 months ago
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rottepung666 2 months ago
@thybigballs okeeei is your claim that Nissan GTR came in 2008 i hole year before?? either way it came for sale in 2009 and started to compete in 2009..still they came out with a hole different concept vs the Nissan skyline GTR`s thats more then you can say for Ferrari and lambo, porsche they have had 30-40-50years of experience.GTR`s is the only ones that have won the GT cup @ it`s first attempts PERIOD!! and if you don`t find that impressive you`re only an ignorant american just like the rest
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 The GTR came out in Dec. 2007. It's funny how you discount the older GTR's but then go on to include the history of others. Again you are engaging in strawman arguments when we could be concentrating on the fact that the GTR is not the ideal racecar for 99.99% of the race teams and the reason why that is. Your GTR is not any kind of superior race car. It's good but it's not quite the best the world has to offer from manufactures. Why can't you accept this? Why all the side stepping
thybigballs 2 months ago
@rottepung666 You said,"they came in the GT cup in 2010 just to check tires and suspension and won in 2011 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i rest my case.." Let me get this straight, because in the year 2010 they were doing evaluations and then came back the next year and won a race, you think that is an amazing accomplishment and testifies to the supposed awesomeness of your GTR? Interesting. Heres one for ya: An ACR set a track record by an amateur on a practice lap.
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs NO they won the hole shit you DUMMY!!! LOL
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 You missed the point of my questioning how you think it's amazing they were doing evaluations one year and next year raced and won. What is exactly is amazing about this?
thybigballs 2 months ago
@thybigballs okei maybe the ACR with that mongo hugh wing could do fine,but Top Gear tested the GTR in one corner on a REAL CIRCIUT with many other cars, and they ran trough the same corner, same day, same driver etc etc..they all where around 99mph next car 100mph next car 101mph you catch my drift here right? on second place the porsche GT2RS with a 102.98mph and then the nissan GTR with a 108.34mph and we have a word for that OWNED!! acceleration is nothing compared to corner speed on a track
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 So Top Gear testing cars on ONE corner is your bar for measuring a cars track performance? Was the Viper even there by chance? Again if the GTR is such a fantastic race car where are all it's trophy's? Why don't we see it winning any GT's?
thybigballs 2 months ago
ZR1 is wicked fast but.. i like the LFA better. imma lexus guy :)
pingpong909 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx Like I have said, you don't have enough experience with Corvettes. IF the GTR is as great as you say, then explain why isn't anyone buying them and it has been this way for years? It spiked when the 2012 GTRs showed up for 2 months and then dropped like a stone. The fact is the GTR has a NIche following and that is it. Corvettes have been around for almost 60 years. All of that tech provides a numb feeling to most drivers. Ask people. Real drivers prefer a proper manual.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT u simply cant look outside the box.. overall it's not just my opinion.. knowing what's inside both cars does not make u a experience driver, as many others.. the sales of the gtr does not represent the performance and as well as the fact that the gtr is more sophisticated than the vette
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx I have been a tech for 20 years so I wouldn't say that I only look at the outside of the box. I have seen more of what goes on behind the curtain than any non-tech so that is far from an accurate statement. You guys just see a few Corvettes, speak to a few people and think you have an understanding vs people that have followed them for over 20 years. I'm here to clearly state that you don't. It requires 2 driving different driving styles. More sophisticated doesn't mean better.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT no matter how long u work on cars.. u're not going to gain and track experience by doing that.. just take it from the pros out there.. not even ferrari can touch the stability of gtr.. basically the american picked the easiest way to achieve speed, while the japs picked the hard way, which yielded much better overall performance for customers..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT i just have to say, since u don't have circuit experience.. u're not going to know how much there are from entering to exiting a corner.. hence, u will never know how well the gtr can solve that for the driver, and how easy the gtr made cornering looked, even in critical condition.. that's what makes gtr unique.. and that's what the vette can't do..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx Honestly speaking though, tell me who lives on a track? No one. The ZO6 and ZR1 have posted 10 second times at a drag strip. No stock GTR has including the new version for a few reasons. I don't care about circuit racing because I have never lost a race on the street to a better handling car that made less power. It is a bit unrealistic. You think bcause of how the GTR is on a track makes it a better car. You will never understand the tech side until you work on them yourself.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT u still can't think out of a box.. ur life is still full of street straight racing which basically the more $ u throw on a car, the faster u are.. and no i'm not saying the time of the ring sells a car.. the gtr feels far better than the zr1 in terms of conform and drive experience.. 700ft is not long at all in the ring.. so as 4.5 sec is not much.. and what makes u think working on a car will teach u how to drive?
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx I never said working on a car teaches you how to drive. I agree that driving does, but it does make me sensative to everything regarding a car. I have to fix noises, leaks, smells, the car pulling, drifting to one side when braking or not, and so on so over 20 years has made me sensative to everything going on with a car especially feel.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT yes it's pretty pointless to argue which one is better since both have ups and downs.. i respect all kind of racing but i have to admit that the new tech for the gtr is the way to go for the future.. honestly, if i have a choice of choosing either cars.. i'll go with the vette instead.. simply do to the joy it provides which the gtr can't.. and it's close relationship to the s2000.. i'm sure i will learn a lot more car control driving a vette than the gtr
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT u've never raced in a circuit.. u've never tuned a car for circuit.. but at ur technical level, u know better that which car can handles itself better, which is better for driver, better in terms of quality and reliability.. in a real world, road condition comes in the first place, then weather, ect.. if the zr1 happened to decides race a gtr on canyon at night raining.. the vette soon will become a coffin
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx I'm sure we can find some common ground and agree that all of these new high performance cars are amazing. This arguing is a bit pointless. The S2000 is actually a well respected track car and I know a few people that track them and do extremely well. Some Miata friends. I don't like to use terms like a better too often because it depends on your plans, experience and probably a dozen other factors. To be honest, the GTR uses Extreme summer tires so it's not smart to push in the rain.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT also, in the real world.. doing quick in a quarter mile doesnt much seriously.. tell me how many roads out there are opened for u to push from 0 - 200mph daily.. and what makes u so proud of winning a car on the street that makes less power anyways? take it to the track, win them there, then brag.. i myself do play around w/ the suspension settings on my s2000, which i take it to the track.. it's not a fast car, but it's enough for me to learn.. so i do know what i'm talking about here
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx You hoestly don't think that it is impressive that GM gets a 427ci engine to get better mpg and weigh less than engines 2 liters smaller while passing emissions and offering a 100K powertrain warranty behind it? I don't know if you have ever worked on engines before or built a car, but it is quite impressive and far from easy. The car runs the ring as well as it does and is as docile on the street as a kitten. I have been in a few ZO6s and in overdrive, you barely hear it running.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT you're very technical on ur side.. not that i don't believe u but there's no evident out there that claims chevy's reliability is better than japanese cars.. the engine might be strong.. but there's a lot more things put together for the car to run properly..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx I never said that chevrolet is more reliable, but the Corvette does come with a factory powertrain warranty that is better than all of the others. The fact that Nissan was hauled into California federal court because of many transmission failures and not honoring the warranty was not a good start. The transmissions are not any stronger, they just have safety provisions programmed in to protect them from damage. 4 Consecutive LC hits until the fluid temperatures drops comes to mind.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT other than trucks maybe..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT the 427ci might be more impressive on your side since u race in straight line, and fix cars. but in the real circuit racing, it's not as impressive as the gtr when it comes to throttle, and engine response and doing the job well w/ the tranny all at once. theres a big difference if u look at a car from different perspectives.. and as for me, i look at it from a circuit performance point of view, because that's what i care if i were to get a vette. noise on 6th gear dont mean much to me
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx What does the size of the engine have to do with a straightline? The car weighs just over 3,100 lbs so it is quite ok on a road course and produces enough torque throughout the powerrband to have tall gears for cruising on the highway and getting great mpg for a 500+ hp car. You are use to smaller cars and so it doesn't fit your style.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT considering the 2012 zr1 is only 4.5 sec quicker in a 14miles track, not to mention it's light weight and power advantage.. and all those stickier tires and suspension upgrades ect, from the 2011 model.. it's not that impressive really..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx It is not that impressive to non-technical people. I'm not impressed by a 3.8L with 2 turbos making 530 hp when I owned an 87 GN and made that much power through heads that flowed over 60 cfm less on the intake, one cam and not 4, 12 valves and not 24, with 1 turbo on a 20 year old block. Just FYI, I believe the track is just below 13 miles long or 12.9. The ZO6 posted a better time than the GT2 RS at Leguna Seca both on Sport Cups and down over 100 hp. That's very impressive.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT if u can build something so impressive.. then how come gm can't do it?? i doubt u GN is even street legal.. when it comes to engine response, that GN is nothing.. "It is not that impressive to non-technical people" when it comes to racing.. who drives the car?? technician or the professional driver.. what technician looks at is how well the car is built, and what drivers look at is how well the car "performs".. get the difference?
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx GM did it that is why nothing foreign or domestic could touch the GN in straightline performance in 1987. It was embarrassing Porsche vehicles that were 50K for a mere $17K. The GNX destroyed everything but exotics for 29K. My 87 GN was 100% street legal and emissions legal. It had a high flow cat and was well tuned on 93 octane so I know it was emissions legal and passed every year. How about the tech that drives the car? Look who drives the Corvettes around the Ring.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT yes to the summer tires equipped on the gtr for the rain.. but those sport cup semi slick tires on the zr1 might be even worst..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx I'm sure the sport cups are worse for the rain, but if you look at the people that buy Corvettes, they are successful, affluent and can definitely afford a daily driver. Anyone that can afford a 110-120K car can afford a daily driver without any problems. We get several feet of snow here in NY and no GTRs were on the streets here because ground clearance is more of a factor than AWD.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT i know for a fact that ppl who bought either car won't use it as a daily.. but the gtr is in fact more of a "daily" compare to the vette.. and yes i'm kinda impressed by the mpg that it gets for such an engine.. but the vettes mpg aint something will be really considered when someone is purchasing such car..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT it's good to see that GMs are providing such warranty nowadays.. base on your experience.. i'm kind of curious of how kroean cars are doing? hows their reliability up to this date? they don't have much K-cars in LA but here in Dallas we have a lot...
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx The reliability of Korean cars is great actually. I have plenty of customers with Sonatas, Elantras, Sedonas, Tuscons and Sorentos. They can be a bit tough to work on at times. The Alternator on V6 sonatas is located near the back of the engine and down on the passenger side and you have to take out the CV axle and jack. up that side of the engine to get it out. Tune-ups on the Sorento are unreal and take about 4-6 hours. Other than that, they are fine.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT not bad.. if u don't mind, wonder if i can bother u sometimes to ask u for some DIY tips haha.. forums just couldnt help me out enough on DIY sometimes!
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx no problem. I have software with the specs, labor times, parts, wiring diagrams, troubleshooting for just about every model from 1984-2009. Getting an upgrade soon to include 2011. I also have Auto Enginuity software on my laptop for reading Check engine lights, SRS, ABS, ESP/BAS, TPMS, Traction systems, body control modules, Heating and AC systems, activations,etc. You invest alot when you work on many different models.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT that's awesome! yea i've heard a little about that software that gives all u need to know troubleshootings.. and it cost over $1k per license.. it's always good to have a master sifu to back me up sometimes haha.. thank u in advance.. i just posted two videos of me hitting the track back in LA.. one of them shows how i blew my axel (yea that's rly stupid).. at least a little prove that i'm actually speakin the truth and not making things up.. take a look!
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT just accept the fact that the the tech of the vette is getting old, been around for long does not mean it's superior to others.. "real drivers prefer a proper manual" what do u mean by real? street drivers, racing drivers, professional drivers, or what?? u kept pointing fingers at the material that gtr uses.. think about it, if the gtr uses what the vette use.. on it's sophisticated tech, w/ those ceramic brakes, carbon fiber, all that.. the gtr will just swallow the vette..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx Just accept the fact that it still works and well. How many 500+ hp cars get over 26 mpg with 427 ci? None!. Very few do it with even less cubes. The GTR would also be approaching 200K like the GTR Spec V. It doesn't so it is not worth talking about. They can barely make a profit on each one as it is which is why the price increased. Do you consider it old tech when it won the 24 hours of Le MAns in a class it was only in for 2 years after chasing everyone out of the GT1 class?
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT first of all, a full race version of any car is totally different than production version.. and i'm not even saying the vette is slow, but u just can't help it but to defend it.. doing well in le mans does not make the production version of a car superior or sophisticated to others.. porsche does well too but how fast it clocked in the ring?? watch?v=brNtbaMadX4 what makes a car unique is when it can perform well in any condition, anywhere and any time.. thats what the vette can't do
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx That is not what makes it a great car which is why it is not a great seller. What makes a great car is how the driver feels driving it. No time around the Ring will ever sell a vehicle. You are saying that 4.5 seconds is not very much but cars overaging over 100 mph puts their distance of almost 700 ft between them. In racing, that is a serious win.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT sales won't reflect a car's overall performance, specially w/ this kind of price.. u're just starting to spread nonsense.. US is not in a very good shape, and u know better than that.. and what in the world makes u think turning off tcs will make u go slower on a track?? for u probably, but not for those who knows how to drive
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx The US is the number 1 market for the GTR so I'm not sure you are aware of this. I did not say turning oiff the TCS will make it slower around the track.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT lol gtrs are being bought everywhere in the country and the gtr has been around and killing v8's since 1989 lol the corvette just got as fast as it is before 1990 it was a slow ugly mess
omgimfreaknsexi 3 months ago
@xxlap2xx The GTR has nothing the Vette has or it would have Carbon Ceramic brakes instead of steel rotors which will never take the punishment that long because they can't dissipate the heat especially with the additional weight. The rotors for the GTR are only just over $1,000 each so tracking one gets expensive real fast.
Did you type what's the point of racing with the TCS on? The GTR has more nannies than any other car they test. Turn them off and see the performance stats fade.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
anyone can put a big engine into a car and squeeze performance out of it. specially w/ wide body and fat stick tires.. but it's not a easy task when u're trying to squeeze stability out of it, which gives driver the confident to push the car hard, and where the driver and car can actually communicate, ect. the viper and vette are sure fast but its not sophisticated in anyway. they're way far from being as impressive as the gtr and the lfa for example, and many others. basically it has no soul..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
The LFA is in the wrong colour and thats why it lost :P
jonmogo1 5 months ago
Viper ACR reigns as fastest production car at the Nürburgring. Official video.
/watch?v=c4-e3uSYPpg
Any questions?
Marc99GT 5 months ago
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xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx They are not sophisticated in your simple mind. Only ignorant people on YT that know nothing about either form that baseless opinion. That is why Ferrari bought the Suspension from GM to use in the 599. Sophistication doesn't mean better. The fact that a CAN signal goes around a ring and passes through 2 control units to put up a window in a Mercedes makes it sophisticated, but not better than a simple switch & relay. Both perform the job equally well.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT fact is that suspension is not the only element that gives the car good stability.. the engine and tranny comes into play a big time, and theres more.. the 599 is not even considered a "race" ferrari.. it's more of a luxury type of ferrari w/ big engine that goes fast on straight.. it does horrible in corners compare to the vette and the gtr..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT now back to the topic.. w/ the vette, a simple mistake such as not synchronizing the rev on down shifting good enough when entering a corner, is enough to throw that vette out to the dirt, if the driver is not careful enough.. this is what happen when you have too much torque to the rear wheels.. when it comes to racing, consistency is what matters the most.. that's what the vette's lacked of.. gtr in the other hand have what the vette don't have except the raw power..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx If you notice when the Vette is driven on road course their is very little shifting that takes place because of the broad torque band and Carbon Ceramic brakes with much more stopping force. Now that the ZO6 and ZR1 both have performance traction management, what you are describing is a non-issue. The issues wit the GTR that you fail to post or realize is the brakes start to fade after a few laps and the transmission fluid gets extremely hot ouytting it in limp home mode.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT very little shifting takes place on the road?? what u stay second the whole time?? i'm not even talking about road performance.. the gtr will eat the vette on daily basis usage in that case.. w/ weather, pavement, conditions.. not to mention the comfort the gtr offers.. the vette is a toy.. it's not a all around car.. also, what's the point of racing w/ tcs on?? even a 350z can save u being oversteer on a corner.. i'm talking about pushing both cars to the limit on the track..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx The GTR is not eating the Corvette in any shape or form except maybe 0-60 due to AWD and 4K LC. Have you ever seen what the GTR runs without LC? It is not even close to with it. You are assuming since you have never pushed either around a track. The fact is, the ZO6 and ZR1 are better track cars especially for doing it all day. Did you know anything about what I mentioned regarding tracking a GTR? I doubt it. Ask the people on the GTR websites that actually track them.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT what i'm talking about the gtr eating the vette.. i meant on daily basis.. if theres LC for u to use why not use it? although the tranny will get overheat after a few launches.. it's like theres a clutch for vette, why not using it?? that's just silly.. and no i have not owned a gtr or tracked one.. but i do know the concept of racing.. i used to hit the track back in LA.. but now i'm in texas..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
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xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT what really makes the vette a better track car out of the box, it's because its mainly built for track.. the vette won't do u very well on the road.. fact.. the gtr had everything the vette has and more.. except raw power, and probably some technical issues on the track.. due to new technology.. it's not a big deal at all if the owner knows what it needs to be done..not to mention the gtr has a lot more potential on tuning it's cornering and speed than the vette..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx You continue to state more opinion than facts in your comments. You have know idea about tuning corvettes or what the magnetic select ride control and PTM are capable of in the ZO6 & ZR1. So to state that the GTR can be tuned bettter at the track is based on zero experience tuning either. The Zo6 427ci has more power potental on any fuel than the ZR1 & GTR, fact. It is a big deal when the break jobs, recommended by Nissan, are 8K. Not having as much raw power is a big deal.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT "brake" job
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT with the weight of the gtr.. it's not a surprising that the brake will start to fade after a number of runs.. that's not an issue at all considering if they can afford a gtr.. upgrading the brakes won't be a big deal for them if they really wanted to push the car.. question, do u have a racing license from skip barber?? i had a frd from there too.. his name is charles ng.. just wondering if u know him.. his channel user/ngcharleshk..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx If it were not for the protections built into the GTR, many people that actually track their cars would send the transmissions to heaven and in a hurry. When the transmission fluid hits 260-280 degrees, it switches to automatic mode and 6th gear only until the temperature drops. That happens on the same day if you are tracking the car too long. That wih fading brakes does not make it an incredible track car for more than a few laps at a time.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
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xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@Marc99GT other than the tranny going to heaven for the gtr on a regular track day.. what other downs can u point out?? i'll look it up in the forum later.. just a thought here.. all these overheating issues u're mentioning.. wont it sound silly to someone who actually track their gtr? it's not a problem at all if they do their preparations.. a simple upgrade of the brake, and tranny cooler arnt too hard right?? it's something that most ppl who tracks their car will do..
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx The fact is that you have to add these components to the GTR and don't have to add anything to a ZO6 or ZR1. Just like most people will have the proper tires and in that case, the GTR will never get near a ZR1 on a road course. The car pulls more Gs in the turns and out accelerates the GTR something horrible on straights. Do you see the time for the ZO6 at Leguna Seca? it is quicker than the GT2 RS. Of course there are a number of factors that could cause this.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT it's not just opinion that i'm commenting. i myself do have experience on tracking a awd and rwd car.. when it comes to drive ability, stability, and consistency.. the vette is no where near the the gtr.. my frd charles as i mentioned before, he tracked vettes and gtrs.. some of the things i'm saying are base on the fact that hes providing.. do u have any track experience? all i'm hearing from u is just technical issues being thrown on the gtr, like theres no issues w/ the vette at all
xxlap2xx 4 months ago
@xxlap2xx I have track experience, drag raced for 3 years and have been working on Corvettes and following them for over 20 years. I doubt your friend has driven a 2011+ with PTM, MSRC or them on PS2s or Sport cups so this is all academic at best. I doubt he has tracked GTRs or he would certainly know about the problems I described be people actually tracking them.
Marc99GT 4 months ago
@Marc99GT drag racing only?? so u never tracked on a circuit??.. there's no for me to explain all these while u don't even know how to apex right.. and yes he drove the 2011+ a few time.. theres a chance that he will post a video of him running in button willow soon.. as some of his frd does too.. all of them consider the zr1 quick, but can never compete with the gtr in terms of smoothness