WOMEN IN FORD FOCUS COMMERCIAL DRINKING GAME, PASS IT ON!
We just saw these commercials and tried to Google to see who she is too. We haven't had any luck. We just starting a game now to find out who that women is. PLEASE post if we find out who she is. It's a new drinking game now. Whenever she comes on in any of those commercials we drink when she is onscreen and chug when she speaks (rarely) please feel free to play. Pass it on!!!!
I agree with the commercial. it's why I have two ford trucks in my drive! It's just a shame that Ford has puled it under pressure from the gov't, and that the gov't felt the need to pressure Ford for publishing the Truth. Imagine that??
@estockutube I agree. I have always favored Fords over GM vehilces but when I learned that GM was under more than half ownership by the U.S. Gov't, well that was icing on the cake for me. If ever there was a reason to dislike GM I'd have to say this is it. I never liked GM vehicles because the owners of said vehicles are usually unintelligent, diehard fans of cheap, easy to work on vehicles and bash Fords because they are not smart engough to work on them. I now don't hate GM do to fans only.
Yeah! See that's exactly how I feel about things. People that do business understand that they must stand on their own in the good times and bad. That roughed self-reliance is what built America, and that same independent, hard working spirit can rebuild it if the government would step aside and allow us do what we must.
@TheBuilderguy1 1) ford got a SIMILAR LOAN at SIMILARLY SWEET interest rates that, just like gm/chrysler, they couldn't have gotten in the 'free market' (private banks) in 2006. total of $24 million.
2) per a FORD SPOKESMAN, ford only pulled the ad because it was at the end of a 4 week run...it was the third in a series that now includes four commercials. none of the older ones are shown either.
@TheBuilderguy1 speaking of 'dictators', obama has not pushed for increased powers of the executive branch, but cheney sure did.
he was the TRUE dictator and gave you homeland security and the patriot act's phone taps. he also gave you a war in iraq that cost $2 trillion of UNFUNDED tax payer money. so his investments (as former ceo) in hallibuton/kbr would go sky high. happens when halliburton/kbr got HUNDREDS of BILLIONS in non-bid contracts.
@TheBuilderguy1 obama thinks he 'can kill people too'? what does this even MEAN?
how many americans have died under obama due to war or terrorism? MAYBE a couple of hundred (inherited from bush's wars).
according to icasualties do*t o*rg, 5,268 troops have died in iraq and afghanistan under bush (4,321 in iraq, 947 in afghanistan) and 1,110 have died under obama (156 iraq and 854 in afghanistan).
this starts Jan 2009 and troops were still following bush orders for a couple of months.
@TheBuilderguy1 seems like bush/cheney were more interested in 'killing' than obama.
helps when you have HEAVY INVESTMENTS in companies like halliburton/kbr and bechtel, you're a former ceo of halliburton/kbr (cheney), and your 'old' company you still have investments in gets PLENTY (read that as HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS) of no-bid contracts.
one COULD say thost 5,268 troops died to make cheney and bush richer. so i guess it's all good, huh?
@neoconsnightmare3 Hey, Douchebag, what companies do you think Obama is using? I'll answer for you since you don't know how to think for yourself. HALLIBURTON! I guess you didn't know that Obama started his own war, but I guess that one doesn't count. Those dead soldiers aren't important to you since they don't help you Socialists politically.
@xphilemike soooooo, you call names because you can't argue logically? 'douche bag'? LOL. shows you're unimaginative as you are simple.
which 'war' did obama start? libya? how much did that cost versus the first year alone for iraq?
how many americans died in libya?
how much money did obama 'misplace' in that war?
calling me 'socialist' won't change facts. clearly, tis YOU that can't think on your own. have a nice day, little boy. come back when you can actually think.
@neoconsnightmare3 So principals only matter when it comes down to monetary cost? If it didn't cost many lives and it didn't cost much money its ok? There can be misplaced money all over the place, not necessarily wars. How about the misplaced money in Wall Street. As a democrat I find your comment amusing.
@HaphazardCrappola what principals? people were suffering in libya and iraq. PERSONALLY, i'd not have gone to either. fuck em. my tax dollars should go to folks suffering in the u.s. (and canada).
since both were mistakes, which is worse?
libya: lower cost (in the tens of millions), no deaths, one plane crash
iraq: built off the LIE of wmds (which NOBODY found), at least 4,000 troops killed, $2 TRILLION minimum.
yep, misplaced money in wall street...BOTH administrations did it.
How can any true capitalist justify and accept a bailout? It's hypocritical and doesn't line up the law of supply and demand. It's debatable whether or not GM actually paid back the FULL AMOUNT of the tax payer funded BAILOUT back or not.
@Virtue0sity not debatable...they said they paid it back, so did the government. unless you have PROOF from inside, you can ONLY go with what both gm and the government say.
how can a 'true capitalist' accept a GOVERNMENT LOAN AT BELOW MARKET RATES, like gm/chrysler did in 2009 and ford did in 2006? because they ALL did what they had to do to stay in business, and make as much money for themselves and shareholders as possible.
that's capitalism;make as much as you can for as little possible.
If you defend bailouts you are a fuckwitted, ignorant moron with no concept of free market capitalism. End of story. No argument. If you understand free market capitalism the logic centers of your brain kick in and you say, "Well fuck, this shit is the way to go!" All you commie faggots who want government to run (ruin) everything are taking the path to your own demise.
Hey why doesn't the government buy 60% of the stocks in all the failing companies. They'll probably pay it back and in the mean time the government can: tell these companies what type of products to make, how much they're profit margin should be, and for jobs - how many employees they should have. Oh wait am I describing socialism or Bush'Obamanomics.
@u812b4me You are missing the point. The Governments Actions are forcing ALL Companies to look beyond the shores to grow as our GOVERNMENT imposes their way into our Free Market Enterprises. You want to make it about 1 vs the other. Thats is sad becuase they are ALL American Company's And one day ALL of them will be in China or Peru or where ever and for you if its a Company you like that will be okay. For me as an American I can't stand by and let this happen...God Bless
@neoconsnightmare3 There is a huge difference between a government loan (where Ford mortgaged nearly all it assets for debt restructuring) and a government bailout. Much of the $50 billion in the GM bailout came from equity purchases, with the government taking a 60plus % of GM. Only 6 to 7 billion dollars towards GM came in the form of a cash loan. Risking taxpayer money on a proven looser is wrong. Suppose GM never recovers, who is going to cover the loss, when/if big brother sells at a loss.
@neoconsnightmare3 a loan is not a Free Tax payer Gift how many times do you have to read the same thing before you understand? You are ignorant or just like to argue the same lie over and over
@neoconsnightmare3 if the Government would GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS and JOB creators WAY there would be NO NEED to build plants in China...except to try and grow market share and thus increase shareholder (read American Citizens) value. Companies MUST go where it is cost effective so they can compete in the MArketplace. If economics 101...so many class warfare Americans need an Economics lesson and I think they would change their minds....
@pbn8tv it's because the auto industry is so large and has such an effect on economies that governments around the world are involved. this goes beyond basic economics into MACRO economics.
if these large businesses fail,in america alone, MILLIONS of jobs are lost. these MILLIONS of jobs affect the economy by purchases.
nixon bailed out lockheed in the early 70s for the same reason. not class warfare...doing what's needed to help people BUY from all businesses.
@neoconsnightmare3 Because it has become this way and has always been this way in your generation does not make it RIGHT. It is time to get the Govt back to limitied clearly defined responsibilities or we wil continue to see EPIC waste of YOUR tax dollars (I assume you make enough money to pay Federal Tax as 50% of the population no longer does) With the Gov out of the way...Companies can grow, hire more people and get us out of this mess. OR we can keep giving a Half Billion dollars to Solendra
@pbn8tv my 'generation' not withstanding, ford took government help BEFORE gm.
it's neither right or wrong...it's what is.
that 'government out the way' jazz is hilarious, and merely talking points the koch brothers pimp their candidates with. if you buy it, fine. but 'getting government off companies' backs' brings the u.s. back to the late 1800s, when folks died from poisoned meat, etc.
or, we can LOSE $50 billlion in iraq during bush's term and STILL don't know where it is.
@neoconsnightmare3 I agree...only the Gov has the bandwith to make these kinds of investments. IT IS NOT THE SAME AS STEALING a Company...and giving it to Unions at TAX PAYER Expense
Answer this...Nearly ALL Loans originate at the Fed, to the Govt to the Banks and then to Businesses and Individuals...so you arguement is ALL LOANS are Govt Bailout? if that is the case you do not understand what Obama DID with YOUR Tax Dollars
@pbn8tv how did the government 'steal' a company? ford had to prove to the government it could get things together before the loan. just like gm had to prove to get IT'S loan. ford paid its loans back so did gm.
you can call it 'bailout' for one and 'loans from the government who has the bandwith' its all the same...NONE of the big three, in your words, could 'stand on their own..win, lose or draw'.
@neoconsnightmare3 You make a perfect Arguement for the Overthrow of the American CApitalistic system you have exposed yourself for who you are. A guy that wants to make pedantic arguements. You don't understand basic economics as others have pointed out. No need to reply we all see where you are coming from...and the 5.2 TRILLION spent does not tell you thw Govt cant manage the economy, Solyndra? It does not work so I doubt if you are able to change. Hope So, right Hope and Change lol
are kristen's legs as hot in real life as they are on t.v.? cuz she's got a great pair of gams. the commercial before yours showed them. kinda pissed they didnt show them in yours or the one afterwards.
tell ford to get their commercials together and show more of kristen's legs, dammit.
@pbn8tv haliburton and bechtel got HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of no bid contracts from the government during bush and cheneys (cheney former CEO of halliburton/kbr). in fact, the cpa (coalition provisional authority), who ran iraq, has VERY CLOSE TIES to the two companies.
and guess what happened...the cpa LOST $50 BILLION. $50 BILLION is unaccounted for. $50 BILLION OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
you pissed about that? at least the ford loans and gm/chrysler bailout SAVED MILLIONS of AMERICAN jobs.
@pbn8tv so, you're pissy about the u.s. government using socialism (the veterans administration is a 'socialist' idea..so is social security and medicare, as well as paid vacations, 5 day work weeks, medical leave, etc) to help millions of wage earners continue to earn money (to put back into OUR economy) BUT...
...you're fine with socialism when it comes to CORPORATE WELFARE for REPUBLICAN CONNECTED firms like halliburton/kbr and bechtel...and fine with them unable to account for $50 BILLION?
@pbn8tv per the washington post, obama added 1.6 TRILLION vs bush's 5.06 trillion as of july 2011. and that's being generous to bush...msn money from 2009 said the cost of bush's idiocy was $11.5 trillion and the nytimes said he added $7.7 trillion.
unfunded wasteful was in iraq (no wmds found...after bush said there were...after saying there werent) was $2 TRILLION of it (not to mention 4000 plus americans dying for a LIE).
you don't understand basic economics, but hey, you listen to right-wing nuts who tell you that bush didn't really do too badly.
i find interesting this collective republican DENIAL of the damage 8 years of bush/cheney has done is laughable.
believe what you want to believe...if obama gets reelected, you'll drink more koolaid. if a republican gets elected, you'll wake up. the folks in ohio, wisconsin and florida already have.
@neoconsnightmare3 GM is now (after the bailout) moving entire lines such as Cadillac to China and will sell the 100% Chinese manufactured vehicles here in the US.
I feel the same way. I have been a Chevy guy all my life- currently own a Chevy 3/4 ton Silverado p/u. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER GM PRODUCT AGAIN! GM & the Maobama Administration can go fuck each other. Why not? They ARE bedmates...
@sonofrattler bush and ford were bedmates in 2006 when ford got a total of $24 million in loans, 3%,they couldnt get form banks on their own. loans they needed to pay the bills.
the guy in the commerical said he wouldnt buy a car from a bailout company. HOWEVER he wanted to buy a car from a company that could 'stand on its own...win lose or draw.'
well, low interest loans to pay your bills from the government is NOT 'standing on your own...win lose or draw'.
@neoconsnightmare3 I'm not saying that Ford is completely clean in all this but how can you even compare $24 million that Ford borrowed from the U.S. govt in 2006 with the $52 BILLION that was given to GM alone during the bailouts. If you do the math, GM borrowed 2,166 times what Ford did. Your argument is kind of childish. Plus that doesn't even count how much money was given to Chrysler...
Stupid CEO of Companies wanted Free market Capitalism, to self regulate themselves and they robbed the American people and OhBummer hands them bail out money so they can get even more bonuses in 2009/2010. What a load of Crap.
@mrbunnylamakins but bush gave ford a LOW INTEREST LOAN of $19 billion and then another $4 billion they'd NEVER have gotten in the free market themselves.
ford being #1 in your book or not is your thing. but PER THE WORDS OF CHRIS IN THE COMMERCIAL, he wanted a 'no bail out' car AND a car company that could 'stand on its own...win lose or draw.'
fords govt loan was NOT 'standing on its own'. NO major car company 'stands on its own'. ALL have either govt bailouts or subsidies.ALL.
@neoconsnightmare3 Wow you made it sound like Ford Was Lying through their teeth in the commercial. The Energy Department said Tuesday it would lend $5.9 billion to Ford Motor Co. and provide about $2.1 billion in loans to Nissan Motor Co. and Tesla Motors Inc., making the three automakers the first beneficiaries of a $25 billion fund to develop fuel-efficient vehicles.
Those loans were given to make more fuel efficient cars and was a "Bail Out" as other companies needed.
@mrbunnylamakins no, ford wasn't lying though their teeth. in fact, i said FORD ITSELF said they pulled the ad because it was at the end of a 4 week cycle (chris' ford commercial was like the third in a series).
i DID say that chris stated "no bailout car...a car company that can stand on its own, win lose or draw'.
as ford sought, AND GOT, $24 BILLION in loans from THE GOVERNMENT (nobody else could do it), they showed they could NOT stand on their own.
@pbn8tv the bailout was a GENEROUS LOAN from THE GOVERNMENT since gm couldnt get that deal in the private banking world.
FORD got a generous loan from the bush administration since it couldn't get the same in the private banking world.
trying to constantly use the term 'bailout' in order to bash obama and stay quiet on bush doesn't cut it. YOUR WORDS "stand on its own...win lose or draw". remember them?
what about that loan nixon gave to lockheed in the early seventies, eh?
Just looked it up and you're nailed lamb chop, the Bank Of America, the largest bank in the United States has less then $3 billion in total assets! You're wrong and it's proven, there is no private Bank with $24 billion in assets!
you got off subject with your love of reagan. i merely followed you there to ask why you'd become a republican because of that senile, cowardly imbecile?
who,by the way, RAISED TAXES and spent the u.s. into a deficit.
@neoconsnightmare3 My comment was directed towards your accusations against others and not in relation to the ford video. Obama's done and you know it. He will go down as the worst or second worst President in modern times behind Jimmy Carter. He wasn't ready to be President and by historical standards had few credentials to be President, even you as a supporter must admit that. Also you guys on the Left love to play the Congress obstruction card, even though Democrats controlled both houses
@Holyslayer2 actually,i don't know obama's done. romney is the only one that has a chance, and he'll not be the republican nominee.the others are dwarfs,morons or both.
actually, in modern times, bush 2 is ranked behind carter. of course nixon is too.
i'm not on the left,and unless you can prove it, time for you to carry on private.
actually, even the CONSERVATIVE wall street journal said that the stimulus worked,but it was too limited. look it up.
@neoconsnightmare3 I would bet you a serious sum of money he is. Bush is ranked two in public opinion polls in 2010, but historians on both sides agree as a cumulative sum Carter was the worst. You also use the classic Leftist tactic of insulting your opponents when you talk about Republican candidates. Newt Gingrich is a moron? The guy is way smarter than almost anyone in politics, including Barack Obama, and would destroy him in a debate, let alone Joe Biden whom we all know is such a genius.
@Holyslayer2 go to wikipedia, presidential ratings. they tallied up a variety of rankings, and in almost all, if not all, carter ranks higher than bush. only 2 out of 7 rank bush higher than carter. guess what? one of thetwo,sienna, actually has as its most RECENT ranking, 2010, carter (32) higher than bush (39) and obama (15) higher than bush.
you lost that bet.
people don't elect vps. newt is a moron and a fuck up in debates. that's why he ranks low amongst republicans. READ MORE
@neoconstiredarguements the election is far off...Lets get all the viewpoints and see.
I guess if we look at recent History Hillary would be our President today. Enough about Polls and how smart people are. We have a ways to go, hilarious, Perhaps you should Pray for those who don;t see it your way. Your facts are a tired leftist, I'm not a liberal lies, which refuse to address the issues vs personal attacks. Your a liberal by any Def
@pbn8tv i don't pray for folks that agree/disagree with me. we all have opinions. when we push our OPINIONS as fact, however, we must be prepared to back those opinions up with fact. i have done just that. you cry about 'personal attacks' yet you call me a 'leftist'? good job of contradicting yourself, chris.
your last sentence used 'your' possessive, when you meant 'you're', the contraction of 'you are'. clearly, you'RE an under-informed voter.
@neoconsnightmare3 You didn't answer my questions about control from 08-10, or in regards to the credentials. Don't play this nonsense about the stimulus, the administration admits it failed.You guys have been pushing these policies since LBJ and look how far they've gotten us. You are a liberal because you believe in Keynesian economics. You thought November 2010 was something, you've seen NOTHING YET!!!
@Holyslayer2 so the conservative wsj gives nonsense about the stimulus? try again. attacking without proof means nothing.i gave you a CONSERVATIVE paper to prove MYpoint.
i'm not liberal, and if you continue tosay i am you're a liar. i am a social liberal, fiscal conservative. that makes me more of a libertarian. why spend money on other countries? why the war in vietnam?why the war in iraq? why worry about folks doing drugs that are no worse than liquor? why worry about who marries?
@Holyslayer2 see, being SOCIALLY liberal in areas like education is actually being FISCALLY conservative. cheaper to send a kid to school (30K) than put a person in prison (100K). schools are cheaper to build than prisons.
all about the money.
actually, as unpopular as obama is (45%) congress is even LESS popular (18%). the freshmen congressmen tea party folks are seen as obstructionist assholes.
we'll see in 2012. but outside of romney, NONE of the republicans comes close to obama.
@neoconsnightmare3 People dont know shit which is why democracy is a fail system. The liberal leftist media permeates every aspect of thought and discussion, and chooses for us what to think. The Republicans themselves have been compromised and corrupted
@neoconsnightmare3 All this talk about Bush in a Democrat vs Republican venue. Let's talk Conservative vs Liberal instead. Bush was a "moderate", a "centrist". Sure he was an improvement over Clinton, but he could have come out of either party. Yes the "Mainstream" media is Leftist. The only believable, unbiased news is Conservative and Christian Talk Radio.
@neoconsnightmare3 Why is Bush bad? Because he is a leftist compromised Republican. Obama's failures? We can see plainly with our own eyes. Lol, they've glossed his failures over.
You've not understood quite right. If media is not leftist, why is the default position of every child's TV and school program liberal when the default adult position and the position past society is conservative? Besides, leftists own and control the media
@yohopirate who is the 'they' that allegedly 'glossed over obama's failures'?
feel free to just 'say' stuff without substantiation.
this professed and implied dislike of 'liberals' is simple minded garbage you got from fools like rush limpbahlls (an advocate for america being in wars as long as HE dodges the draft; he hates drug addicts and is one himself).
your question was rhetorical. period.
leftists own and control the media? so fox is leftist? wall street journal? LOL. oh my
@neoconsnightmare3 from 08-10. He passed whatever he wanted and got hammered for it. It will happen again. Also I agree with you that George Bush began our problems with the deficit, but Obama has made it much worse. When you see a house on fire, do you pour gasoline on it?
The man bought american, good for him. We might have different political views, but we both feel the need to support our country. As far as the "evil Obama" asking ford to pull the ad, Ford themselves stated they did it on their own withOUT any provocation from the Obama Administration
The man bought american, good for him. We might have different political views, but we both feel the need to support our country. As far as the "evil Obama" asking ford to pull the ad, Ford themselves stated they did it on their own withOUT any provocation from the Obama Administration
@FLBlueShield yeah, you're full of shit. you saying 'liberal ass clown' is meaningless. you're a ford fan boy (given your name and the fact you started that identity 6 days after the video came up).
you personally attacked me, but that's okay? get the fuck out of here, mildred.
you're an idiot, a fool, have not proven your point (wait, you HAD no point except to baselessly attack). you're an absolute failure.
i'll have a nice day knowing your monkey ass lives in mommy's basement.
@KDZigZag ford took a 3% interest government loan in 2006, and then another $6 billion in 2009. all to keep the lights on. these were GOVERNMENT LOANS and GOVERNMENT BACKED LOANS on the cheap (3%) because ford couldnt get these loans/terms in the free market (directly with the banks).
thus, this goes against what 'chris' int he commerical said about a car company 'standing on its own'. NONE of the major car companies do. japan and germany subsidize their auto manufacturers. so does the us.
@neoconsnightmare3 - I don't see Japanese politicians dictating what kinds of cars their manufacturers can build furthermore Ford getting a government loan and Japan subsidizing their auto manufacturers (if indeed that is the case) isn't exactly the same thing as Chairman Zero using a fortune in tax payer dollars to purchase controlling interest in GM and installing a flunky Chairman and ordering a hundred thousand expensive electric clunkers that nobody wants produced with treasury money!
@neoconsnightmare3 - I don't see Japanese politicians dictating what kinds of cars their manufacturers can build furthermore Ford getting a government loan and Japan subsidizing their auto manufacturers (if indeed that is the case) isn't exactly the same thing as Chairman Zero using a fortune in tax payer dollars to purchase controlling interest in GM and installing a flunky Chairman and ordering a hundred thousand expensive electric clunkers that nobody wants produced with treasury money!
Respond to this video... Ford receiving loans and Japan subsidizing their industry isn't the same as Zero using treasury money to buy controlling interest in a private corporation and ordering them to build unsellable electric clunkers at huge expense to the taxpayers that nobody wants to buy! The Chevy Volt is by every business indicator imaginable a huge commercial failure! Can you say "liberal boondoggle?" The Volt is the worst piece of shit ever!
Respond to this video... Ford receiving loans and Japan subsidizing their industry isn't the same as Zero using treasury money to buy controlling interest in a private corporation and ordering them to build unsellable electric clunkers at huge expense to the taxpayers that nobody wants to buy! The Chevy Volt is by every business indicator imaginable a huge commercial failure! Can you say "liberal boondoggle?" The Volt is the worst piece of shit ever!
@StompingRabbits i responded to this video. if you listened to it COMPLETELY (obviously you didnt) 'chris', the man in the video, said he didnt want a 'bailout' car. he also went on to say he didnt want a car from a company that couldnt 'stand on its own'.
my mentioning ford getting $24 billion in govt loans (most of it in 2006 under bush) is RELEVANT since they NEEDED those loans and their low interest rate (3%) to stay afloat. they couldnt get that without government backing.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Well consider the scope of the loan lam-chop, how many banking institutions have 24 billion Somalians sitting in a vault waiting to be loaned out to one debtor? 3% of 24 billion Somalians is a tidy sum of money is it not? The issue is that Bush didn't meddle in the day to day operation of the company as Abdul Hussein Obama is meddling by ordering up a hundred thousand electric clunkers that where primarily conceived in DC and that the American market has no place for!
@StompingRabbits what's a 'lam-chop'? if you're gonna put someone down, at least spell the putdown correctly.
when you're all done...the guy in the commercial STILL said:
1) no bail out cars;
2)company that can stand on its own.
you can PRETEND he didn't say that,but he did. this means (try to keep up) that FORD couldnt 'stand on its own' when it got a BELOW MARKET LOAN from the feds (a loan it would NOT have gotten on its own from the banks).
@neoconsnightmare3 - I'm not a new Conservative, I am a Reagan Conservative and I am more then a little angry that the current leadership of the GOP has abandoned the principles that Reagan stood for! I am now an Independent voter so I don't really care about neo-conservativism!
Correctly? Are you daft? You're claiming that every company that takes a loan isn't "standing on it's own?" Get a grip on reality Commie! Loans aren't bailouts! I'm not a major fan of Bush, he turned me from a Republican back to an Independent after Reagan made me a Republican and that goes for Bush 1 & 2! I don't mind a little socialism like Capitalism tempered with Socialism but not the vice versa, screw that! This is America and our traditional economic system is free market Capitalism!
when a company TAKES A LOAN with government help, with terms that they'd NEVER GET in the open market, and those loans are to KEEP THE COMPANY RUNNING,yes, it's not standing on its own.
lockheed did it in the early 1970s (under nixon...that fucking 'socialist'), and ford did it under bush2.
those loans/bailouts kept MILLIONS working,and thus let those earnings get into the economy. this isn't bad.
@neoconsnightmare3 - What bank has 24 Billion Somalians in it's vault all ready to be loaned out in one lump to a single debtor? Hello? How could the open market facilitate a loan like that? I seriously doubt it's even possible!
@StompingRabbits yes, reagan is a centrist. google it and you'll see. stop relying on baseless emotion. do the research. he and clinton, gore...all centrists.
multiple banks could loan it (i mean, ford mortgaged everthing...literally) but only with fed BACKING did the loan go thru. fact: ford was NOT able to 'stand on its own', as the guy in the commercials said he wanted in a car company. period.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Multiple banks have $24 Billion dollars? How much thin air did you pluck that gem out of? Even if you could find a single bank with $24 billion in assets what are the chances they would gamble that entire sum on a single loan? Did you take business 101 or Marco-Economics? I find you lacking, you tell me Progressive....NAME ONE SINGLE PRIVATELY OWNED BANK WITH $24 BILLION IN ASSETS! JUST ONE! LIAR!!!
@StompingRabbits again...yes,multiple banks have the money. they simply would NOT loan it out for 3%. IF they'd have loaned it to ford, it would have been a MUCH HIGHER RATE. clearly ford KNEW this, and asked bush 2 in 2006 to intervene.
saved jobs. jobs that spent in the economy. JUST LIKE THE BAILOUT.
no matter what you say, how many times you say it...ford couldnt get that loan with 3% on their own. they couldnt 'stand on their own...win lose or draw'.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Well if you're so certain that "multiple banks" have $24 Billion in assets sitting around you can throw the name of one out can't you? That's more money then some country's GDP!
My problem isn't with loaning government money to critical industries, my problem is with the government buying controlling interests in them and setting up shop! Chairman Zero has no fucking business taking the Chief Executive position of GM! None whatsoever!
the guy in the commercial said he wanted a car company that didnt get the bailout . he THEN said he would buy car only from a company that could 'stand on its own...win ,lose or draw'.
ford needed THE GOVERNMENT to get a 3%loan. period. it needed that GOVT LOAN to PAY ITS BILLS. that is NOT 'standing on its own'.
as long as you're willfully ignorant, i'll give the facts.
@neoconsnightmare3 - You're still in denial of the fact that there isn't a private bank on Earth capable of loaning Ford $24 billion Somalians and I knew you where wrong about that from the get go! Even the Bank Of America, the largest bank in the United States has assets totaling less then $3 billion! You lie like a carpet but I'm not surprised an Obozo Progressive would tell blatant lies! You really need Macro-Economics 101, you're a blithering idiot on that topic just like Obozo!
@neoconsnightmare3 - I want a bag of whatever it is you're smoking! The top ten largest banks in America with all their total assets combined couldn't come up with $24 Billion Somalians! Forget about the business dynamics that would most assuredly impede them from pooling their assets together in order to loan the whole kitchen sink to a single debtor. You're ignorance regarding macro-economics and business is appalling! You're not just blissfully ignorant you're also a pathetic liar!
@StompingRabbits when you're done, say you're right...ford STILL got the loan from THE GOVERNMENT (i mean, YOU'RE saying it).
why did they need such a large loan? ohhhhyeahhhhhh...to pay their bills and carry on with business. they needed a GOVERNMENT LOAN at 3% to do business.
this STILL goes counter to what 'chris',guy in commercial said. he wanted to buy a car from a company that 'could stand on its own...win,lose or draw'.
@neoconsnightmare3 - The Government was the only entity capable making a loan of that magnitude furthermore 3% of $24 billion dollars is no pittance! So what about the Government loan? The loan to Ford didn't put the U.S. government into the auto business! The President didn't take over as the de facto chairman of the board at Ford in the COMMUNIST fashion because they got a low rate Government loan! The President isn't personally ordering that Ford make crappy electric cars nobody wants!
@neoconsnightmare3 - The government is the only entity capable of coughing up $24 billion Somalians to loan Ford furthermore 3% of $24 billion isn't chump change!
I don't care about Ford getting a low rate government loan!
I care about the President using treasury money to buy controlling interest in a private corporation and appointing himself the de facto chairman of the board effectively putting the U.S. Government into the auto manufacturing business! That's called COMMUNISM!
@StompingRabbits you stayed up to either 2 or 5 am talking this smack? how sad.
lets say the govt is the only one that has the dough...FORD STILL COULDNT STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT A GOVT BACK 3% LOAN. this is what 'chris' in the commercial SAID he wouldnt by a car from...yet he did.
@neoconsnightmare3 - If you had even the slightest concept of macro-economics as they relate to big business you would immediately recognize the commonality of national economies making low rate loans to their critical industries, it's common and the rule not the exception! That's part and parcel of Capitalism! What isn't Capitalism is when the government buys controlling interest in a corporation and the politicians set the business plan, that's called COMMUNISM!
@neoconsnightmare3 I AM the guy in the commercial. The Ford Co BY YOUR DEFINITION took no bailout money. They took loans. IF you have a mrtg and you pay it back, is that a Bailout? No Ford took loans and paid them back. Were they Govt backed? Sure! name a loan that ultimately Isnt?
@neoconsnightmare3 I AM the guy in the commercial. The Ford Co BY YOUR DEFINITION took no bailout money. They took loans. IF you have a mrtg and you pay it back, is that a Bailout? No Ford took loans and paid them back. Were they Govt backed? Sure! name a loan that ultimately Isnt? Its called taing loans to INVEST in ones Company BTW the Loans did not Go to FORD they went to Fords Credit Divison. You can have your OPINION but you cant make up Facts. Sorry not tolerated
@pbn8tv i never said that ford took a 'bailout'. i was referring to YOUR STATEMENT starting at 17 second...'a company that stands on its own'. FORD , in 2006, did NOT stand on its loan with a 3% govt loan. it needed government help.
ford mortgaged EVERYTHING to get that loan it could NOT get in the private world. it could NOT 'stand on its own'.
whatever you MEANT by that statement failed to come through. you screwed up.
stand by your statement...NO car company stands on its own now.
@pbn8tv by the way, what you claim to tolerate or not matters NOT in my world.
quote me where i 'made up facts'. verbatim, no paraphrasing. give the page i allegedly posted a 'made up fact'.
you can't. i've given facts, not baseless opinion. you said you wanted a car company that could stand on its own, win lose or draw? name ONE that has, since ford took that gubment loan.
not any of the big three...not any japanese, korean or german car. NONE.
@neoconsnightmare3 your diatribe at the top about the bailouts is FACTUALLY incorrect. Enough said Facts escape you. I will Count you as one of the 40 or so out of 500,000 who think the Govt should be involved in owning our car Companies. No facts presented to you by multiple posts get past your socialist mindset.
@pbn8tv see, you make ad hominem attacks when someone (i) disagree with you, but then complain about me doing it? doesn't work, chris.
what 'diatribe' have i given? i haven't. i gave facts.
40-50000? where'd you get that number? that's right, you made it up.
i gave PLENTY of facts. is it a fact that ford took a LOAN (after mortgaging EVERYTHING) from the government in 2006 from the BUSH administration? yes?
did BUSH, in fact, start the process? YES. is bush a 'leftie'?
@pbn8tv chris, you seem to think i'm a liberal (nope...if a tag has to be put on me, it would be 'libertarian').
you claimed that you buy your cars IF they didnt receive govt bailouts (gm, chrysler are out), but also said you'd only buy from a company that could 'stand on its own...win lose or draw'. that means NO CAR COMPANY has been able to do that. ford needed a loan (to keep the business running) that ONLY the government could provide.
@StompingRabbits no proof? actually, the neocons were crying about him being in a 'afro centric CHURCH for 20years'. muslims dont go to'church'. only CHRISTIANS.
nothings been sealedup...he provided a birth certificate. his parents put the birth announcement in the paper. he got a passport when he was six.
my god, you're the 18% of the population that STILL believes that 'birther' idiocy? bwahahahahahahahaha
@neoconsnightmare3 - That racist lunatic Church is no known or recognized form of Christianity, it's Marxists and Afro-Centrist and that's how the first 1/2 Black President learned how to be Black!
That "birth certificate" is as phony as a $3 dollar bill! FORGERY! Academic records? Harvard law reviews? Columbia records? Even his SS number is a fraud, how the forking hell did a kid from Hawaii get a SS number reserved for Connecticut residents? Bwahaha JOKE!
@StompingRabbits actually, the church isn't 'racist'. it's 'afro centric'. big difference. you got nothing. reverend wright was a marine, a sailor, got his doctorates in ministry from united theological seminary. CHRISTIAN and QUITE AMERICAN.
try again,little one. your ignorance and inability to do basic internet research is laughable.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Black Liberation Theology is not Christianity nor is it recognized as such by any of the mainstream Christian denominations! What it is Black Nationalism and Marxism combined masquerading as Christianity! For crying out loud, Lee Harvey Oswald was also a Marine, so what is your point? That man is a racist and his "God damn America" rant betrays his true feelings about our country!
@StompingRabbits actually, his church IS recognized as he has a divinity degree. try again. what major denomination doesnt 'recognize' trinity? name them and cite where they said this. you can't.
how many times do i have to tell you that you just can't say shit and get away with it. you've YET to PROVE your point with ACTUAL CITATIONS. won't work.
lee harvey oswald? really? who did reverend wright kill? enough with the asinine faulty comparisons.
@neoconsnightmare3 - A Divinity Degree? So what? The University of Chicago isn't sectarian Bubba, anybody of any creed can get a divinity degree, There has to be thousands of loonies out there with divinity degrees! I stated that Black Liberation Theology isn't recognized by any of the mainstream Christian denominations, I never said that it wasn't accepted in other quarters. Black Nationalism isn't a recognized form of Christianity, silly progressive! Ask any Priest but Rev. Fletcher....
@StompingRabbits actually, he went to get his masters at u of chicago, and the UNITED THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY for his doctorates. please pay attention junior.
he's not for black libertarian, but 'afro centric'. big difference. i come from chicago and know folks that went there.
he didnt preach black nationalism..he preached that black folks have gotten a raw deal from the u.s. and that they need to look TO THEMSELVES for solutions. kind of a republican/conservative tip.
@StompingRabbits good you see the u.s. is capitalism tempered with socialism. most don't know that.
but to say obama is 'socialist' is laughable. he's a centrist for DAYS. nothing 'lefty' about him. this is what pisses lefties off. but a 'centrist' to most lefties is better than rabid right wingers.
these are facts. i merely have a profound grasp of the obvious.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Proof? Barrack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim.....bwahahahaha! There is no proof on anything regarding that man's life history, it's all be sealed up by executive order and covered up by the media. The most reliable source would be the domestic terrorist that authored his "autobiography."
@neoconsnightmare3 - You're the glittering jewel of colossal ignorance and you still haven't provided the name of one single bank in possession of $24 billion in assets because they don't exists and you and I both know that!
@StompingRabbits by the way, far from a 'commie'. communism is an effete political system,faulty from the start since human can't implement it without, GASP,PERSONAL capitalist gain.
reagan made you a republican? wow, you like a guy that sends american troops (marines) over to lebanon, tells them NOT to fire back...gets almost 300 killed, and then blames the generals?
or a guy that had 'plausible deniability' in the iran/contra dealings,and dumps it on a military officer?
@StompingRabbits yes, the marines were sent BY REAGAN as peacekeepers. they were told NOT to fire back. the truck bomb came in and300 died. reagan then blamed the generals.
afghanistan was THE war,since al quaida was there. bush 2 couldnt find/get bin laden, then FOR NO REASON, went to iraq (halliburton/bectel...cough cough). 4,000 troops killed, 20,000 injured for the LIE of wmds that were NEVER FOUND.
oh, and $2 TRILLON spend in iraq alone. this include the unaccounted for $50 BILLION.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Bin Laden was being hidden by the Pakistani intelligence service until they decided to give Obozo a sorely needed popularity boost. If that's not the truth then the Paki intelligence agency can't find it's own ass in a dark room using both hands! Obama didn't kill his brethren Ossama, Naval Commandos did!
@StompingRabbits soooooooo, why wouldnt they hook bush up? and do you have proof of what you say? you haven't in the past,but perhaps you'll surprise me.
you pulled that idiocy out your ass. what do the kids say nowadays? FAIL.
obama actually LOOKED at the intelligence and ORDERED the kill. bush fucked up from jump.
try...try...try again. i'm gonna eat dinner. when i come back,offer proof or you'll be called out for the liar you are.
@neoconsnightmare3 - Proof of what? That Barry is a Muslim? He bowed down like a surf in a most subservient fashion to the King of Saudi Arabia and that's all the proof I need! American Presidents don't bow to anyone! Get a grip!
I will never drive ford!! Ill only drive a chevy or GM truck!
Stephenz4x4 1 week ago
Why is the audio so loud? It's hurting my ears!
jjenson2006 2 weeks ago
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My next new car will be a Ford. F#@K GM,Chrysler and GE bailout union fucktards
ORGDNR 3 months ago
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Ford: American auto manufacturer.
America: Fascist state.
drphibes72 3 months ago
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rcm3535 3 months ago
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People who buy Fords are morons - the same common american morons who buy Walmart crap.
FOR-Dumbasses
bptr85 3 months ago
People buy Fords are morons - the same common american morons who buy Walmart crap.
FOR-Dumbasses
bptr85 3 months ago
this ad is a joke. do your research and see how much money they really got. they have more recalls than any other car company
dhartmiester 3 months ago
@dhartmiester you're funny.
TheKseniaSolo 1 week ago
@TheKseniaSolo like a clown?
dhartmiester 1 week ago
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yeaaaah buddy ford power!
Fxr1212 4 months ago
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he's an obvios actor. who do they think their trying to fool?
Haloskulls117 4 months ago
I agree with the commercial. it's why I have two ford trucks in my drive! It's just a shame that Ford has puled it under pressure from the gov't, and that the gov't felt the need to pressure Ford for publishing the Truth. Imagine that??
estockutube 4 months ago 2
@estockutube I agree. I have always favored Fords over GM vehilces but when I learned that GM was under more than half ownership by the U.S. Gov't, well that was icing on the cake for me. If ever there was a reason to dislike GM I'd have to say this is it. I never liked GM vehicles because the owners of said vehicles are usually unintelligent, diehard fans of cheap, easy to work on vehicles and bash Fords because they are not smart engough to work on them. I now don't hate GM do to fans only.
landon460 4 months ago
Yeah! See that's exactly how I feel about things. People that do business understand that they must stand on their own in the good times and bad. That roughed self-reliance is what built America, and that same independent, hard working spirit can rebuild it if the government would step aside and allow us do what we must.
repfreedomforce 4 months ago
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@repfreedomforce actually, what built america was disenfranchisement of women and minorities, slavery, genocide of native americans.
then, the 'robber barons' like carneige and rockerfeller who, when they couldnt buy their competition, would simply destroy them.
and ford, LIKE IT OR NOT, received $24 billion in government loans unjder bush in 2006. like gm recently, they paid it back.
NO DIFFERENCE in the 'loans from government we couldnt get on our own to pay our bills' sweepstakes.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
Love it!! And Ford, The hell with what Obama thinks. He thinks he can kill people too. He is NOT the dictator of the United States!!!
TheBuilderguy1 4 months ago
@TheBuilderguy1 1) ford got a SIMILAR LOAN at SIMILARLY SWEET interest rates that, just like gm/chrysler, they couldn't have gotten in the 'free market' (private banks) in 2006. total of $24 million.
2) per a FORD SPOKESMAN, ford only pulled the ad because it was at the end of a 4 week run...it was the third in a series that now includes four commercials. none of the older ones are shown either.
so is ford lying about the 'four week cycle''?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 "similarly sweet" interest rates are nothing in comparison to a bailout.
TheKseniaSolo 1 week ago
@TheKseniaSolo yes, they are the same. ford literally mortgaged everything to get money at a rate they could not have gotten in the free market.
it was a 'bailout' just like gm/chrysler got.
ALL car companies, in fact, are subsidized by their governments around the world.
neoconsnightmare3 1 week ago
@TheBuilderguy1 speaking of 'dictators', obama has not pushed for increased powers of the executive branch, but cheney sure did.
he was the TRUE dictator and gave you homeland security and the patriot act's phone taps. he also gave you a war in iraq that cost $2 trillion of UNFUNDED tax payer money. so his investments (as former ceo) in hallibuton/kbr would go sky high. happens when halliburton/kbr got HUNDREDS of BILLIONS in non-bid contracts.
on yeah..they lost $50 BILLION in iraq.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@TheBuilderguy1 obama thinks he 'can kill people too'? what does this even MEAN?
how many americans have died under obama due to war or terrorism? MAYBE a couple of hundred (inherited from bush's wars).
according to icasualties do*t o*rg, 5,268 troops have died in iraq and afghanistan under bush (4,321 in iraq, 947 in afghanistan) and 1,110 have died under obama (156 iraq and 854 in afghanistan).
this starts Jan 2009 and troops were still following bush orders for a couple of months.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@TheBuilderguy1 seems like bush/cheney were more interested in 'killing' than obama.
helps when you have HEAVY INVESTMENTS in companies like halliburton/kbr and bechtel, you're a former ceo of halliburton/kbr (cheney), and your 'old' company you still have investments in gets PLENTY (read that as HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS) of no-bid contracts.
one COULD say thost 5,268 troops died to make cheney and bush richer. so i guess it's all good, huh?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 Hey, Douchebag, what companies do you think Obama is using? I'll answer for you since you don't know how to think for yourself. HALLIBURTON! I guess you didn't know that Obama started his own war, but I guess that one doesn't count. Those dead soldiers aren't important to you since they don't help you Socialists politically.
xphilemike 4 months ago
@xphilemike soooooo, you call names because you can't argue logically? 'douche bag'? LOL. shows you're unimaginative as you are simple.
which 'war' did obama start? libya? how much did that cost versus the first year alone for iraq?
how many americans died in libya?
how much money did obama 'misplace' in that war?
calling me 'socialist' won't change facts. clearly, tis YOU that can't think on your own. have a nice day, little boy. come back when you can actually think.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 So principals only matter when it comes down to monetary cost? If it didn't cost many lives and it didn't cost much money its ok? There can be misplaced money all over the place, not necessarily wars. How about the misplaced money in Wall Street. As a democrat I find your comment amusing.
HaphazardCrappola 4 months ago
@HaphazardCrappola what principals? people were suffering in libya and iraq. PERSONALLY, i'd not have gone to either. fuck em. my tax dollars should go to folks suffering in the u.s. (and canada).
since both were mistakes, which is worse?
libya: lower cost (in the tens of millions), no deaths, one plane crash
iraq: built off the LIE of wmds (which NOBODY found), at least 4,000 troops killed, $2 TRILLION minimum.
yep, misplaced money in wall street...BOTH administrations did it.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
How can any true capitalist justify and accept a bailout? It's hypocritical and doesn't line up the law of supply and demand. It's debatable whether or not GM actually paid back the FULL AMOUNT of the tax payer funded BAILOUT back or not.
Virtue0sity 4 months ago
@Virtue0sity not debatable...they said they paid it back, so did the government. unless you have PROOF from inside, you can ONLY go with what both gm and the government say.
how can a 'true capitalist' accept a GOVERNMENT LOAN AT BELOW MARKET RATES, like gm/chrysler did in 2009 and ford did in 2006? because they ALL did what they had to do to stay in business, and make as much money for themselves and shareholders as possible.
that's capitalism;make as much as you can for as little possible.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
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@Virtue0sity They haven't paid back the bailout. Their announcement that they did was a scam, an accounting trick.
bayushizero 4 months ago
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@bayushizero Also, ignore the idiot "neoconnightmare". Just mark him as spam, downrate, and move along.
bayushizero 4 months ago
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@bayushizero wow, how sad. when i bring up FACTS, morons like you cry and encourage others to 'spam' me?
that's the best you can do?
now, PROVE gm didn't pay it back. PROVE 'their announcement' was allegedly a 'scam'. you can't.
instead of encouraging others to attempt to stifle those that disagree with you, how about being a mature adult and actually PROVING ME WRONG?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
Great video, I'm a F-150 owner myself and feel the same way. WAY TO GO!
ChickenBizkut 4 months ago
Great video, I'm a F-150 owner myself and feel the same way. WAY TO GO!
ChickenBizkut 4 months ago
If you defend bailouts you are a fuckwitted, ignorant moron with no concept of free market capitalism. End of story. No argument. If you understand free market capitalism the logic centers of your brain kick in and you say, "Well fuck, this shit is the way to go!" All you commie faggots who want government to run (ruin) everything are taking the path to your own demise.
donnely138 4 months ago
Hey why doesn't the government buy 60% of the stocks in all the failing companies. They'll probably pay it back and in the mean time the government can: tell these companies what type of products to make, how much they're profit margin should be, and for jobs - how many employees they should have. Oh wait am I describing socialism or Bush'Obamanomics.
piusvapor 4 months ago
Ford bailed out of the USA and went to Chile to make cars
Now their talking sh** about GM because they one-up ford and went to china?
Over all Chevy's still out perform fords and don't break down like fords.
u812b4me 4 months ago
@u812b4me You are missing the point. The Governments Actions are forcing ALL Companies to look beyond the shores to grow as our GOVERNMENT imposes their way into our Free Market Enterprises. You want to make it about 1 vs the other. Thats is sad becuase they are ALL American Company's And one day ALL of them will be in China or Peru or where ever and for you if its a Company you like that will be okay. For me as an American I can't stand by and let this happen...God Bless
pbn8tv 4 months ago
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the90salways 4 months ago
Imagine if this is Ford's philosophy what type of vehicles they make. I am a new fan of Ford products.
piusvapor 4 months ago
@piusvapor ford got a GOVERNMENT LOAN at 3% in 2006 to 'pay its bills'. no better/worse than gm/chrysler getting the 2009 bailouts.
so it WAS the 'philosophy of ford' as well.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 There is a huge difference between a government loan (where Ford mortgaged nearly all it assets for debt restructuring) and a government bailout. Much of the $50 billion in the GM bailout came from equity purchases, with the government taking a 60plus % of GM. Only 6 to 7 billion dollars towards GM came in the form of a cash loan. Risking taxpayer money on a proven looser is wrong. Suppose GM never recovers, who is going to cover the loss, when/if big brother sells at a loss.
piusvapor 4 months ago
@piusvapor didnt say it was a bailout. please read before giving emotional responses.
CHRIS in the commerical, around 17seconds, said he didnt want a car from a company that couldnt stand on its own,win lose or draw.
if the government was theONLY SOURCE to give $24 billion in loans at 3%, that means ford couldnt get it from the private world (standing on its own).
gm paid the money back. ford did too. if EITHER hadn't paid back, that's risking tax payer money.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 a loan is not a Free Tax payer Gift how many times do you have to read the same thing before you understand? You are ignorant or just like to argue the same lie over and over
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv both were loans. that's why gm PAID THE LOAN BACK.
gm did not have to mortgage everything, and ford did. both were loans to firms that couldnt 'stand on their own,win, lose or draw' as YOU SAID.
calling me names wont change facts. what 'gift' did gm get again?
no, you're a ford guy,and that's good for you. hell, love the new taurus. but bush gave ford a GENEROUS loan at alow interest rate.
oh wait...to acknowledge ALL the facts would deny you this opportunity to bash bush.
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vinylstooge 4 months ago
Win, lose or draw. GM won the bailouts, the taxpayers lost, China was drawn for GM to move it's manufacturing plants to.
rlwieneke 4 months ago
@rlwieneke gm had plants in china before the bailout...so did ford.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 if the Government would GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS and JOB creators WAY there would be NO NEED to build plants in China...except to try and grow market share and thus increase shareholder (read American Citizens) value. Companies MUST go where it is cost effective so they can compete in the MArketplace. If economics 101...so many class warfare Americans need an Economics lesson and I think they would change their minds....
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv it's because the auto industry is so large and has such an effect on economies that governments around the world are involved. this goes beyond basic economics into MACRO economics.
if these large businesses fail,in america alone, MILLIONS of jobs are lost. these MILLIONS of jobs affect the economy by purchases.
nixon bailed out lockheed in the early 70s for the same reason. not class warfare...doing what's needed to help people BUY from all businesses.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 Because it has become this way and has always been this way in your generation does not make it RIGHT. It is time to get the Govt back to limitied clearly defined responsibilities or we wil continue to see EPIC waste of YOUR tax dollars (I assume you make enough money to pay Federal Tax as 50% of the population no longer does) With the Gov out of the way...Companies can grow, hire more people and get us out of this mess. OR we can keep giving a Half Billion dollars to Solendra
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv my 'generation' not withstanding, ford took government help BEFORE gm.
it's neither right or wrong...it's what is.
that 'government out the way' jazz is hilarious, and merely talking points the koch brothers pimp their candidates with. if you buy it, fine. but 'getting government off companies' backs' brings the u.s. back to the late 1800s, when folks died from poisoned meat, etc.
or, we can LOSE $50 billlion in iraq during bush's term and STILL don't know where it is.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 I agree...only the Gov has the bandwith to make these kinds of investments. IT IS NOT THE SAME AS STEALING a Company...and giving it to Unions at TAX PAYER Expense
Answer this...Nearly ALL Loans originate at the Fed, to the Govt to the Banks and then to Businesses and Individuals...so you arguement is ALL LOANS are Govt Bailout? if that is the case you do not understand what Obama DID with YOUR Tax Dollars
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv how did the government 'steal' a company? ford had to prove to the government it could get things together before the loan. just like gm had to prove to get IT'S loan. ford paid its loans back so did gm.
you can call it 'bailout' for one and 'loans from the government who has the bandwith' its all the same...NONE of the big three, in your words, could 'stand on their own..win, lose or draw'.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 You make a perfect Arguement for the Overthrow of the American CApitalistic system you have exposed yourself for who you are. A guy that wants to make pedantic arguements. You don't understand basic economics as others have pointed out. No need to reply we all see where you are coming from...and the 5.2 TRILLION spent does not tell you thw Govt cant manage the economy, Solyndra? It does not work so I doubt if you are able to change. Hope So, right Hope and Change lol
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv important question:
are kristen's legs as hot in real life as they are on t.v.? cuz she's got a great pair of gams. the commercial before yours showed them. kinda pissed they didnt show them in yours or the one afterwards.
tell ford to get their commercials together and show more of kristen's legs, dammit.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@pbn8tv haliburton and bechtel got HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of no bid contracts from the government during bush and cheneys (cheney former CEO of halliburton/kbr). in fact, the cpa (coalition provisional authority), who ran iraq, has VERY CLOSE TIES to the two companies.
and guess what happened...the cpa LOST $50 BILLION. $50 BILLION is unaccounted for. $50 BILLION OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
you pissed about that? at least the ford loans and gm/chrysler bailout SAVED MILLIONS of AMERICAN jobs.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@pbn8tv so, you're pissy about the u.s. government using socialism (the veterans administration is a 'socialist' idea..so is social security and medicare, as well as paid vacations, 5 day work weeks, medical leave, etc) to help millions of wage earners continue to earn money (to put back into OUR economy) BUT...
...you're fine with socialism when it comes to CORPORATE WELFARE for REPUBLICAN CONNECTED firms like halliburton/kbr and bechtel...and fine with them unable to account for $50 BILLION?
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pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv per the washington post, obama added 1.6 TRILLION vs bush's 5.06 trillion as of july 2011. and that's being generous to bush...msn money from 2009 said the cost of bush's idiocy was $11.5 trillion and the nytimes said he added $7.7 trillion.
unfunded wasteful was in iraq (no wmds found...after bush said there were...after saying there werent) was $2 TRILLION of it (not to mention 4000 plus americans dying for a LIE).
but hey, what's $50 BILLION unaccounted for, eh?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
you don't understand basic economics, but hey, you listen to right-wing nuts who tell you that bush didn't really do too badly.
i find interesting this collective republican DENIAL of the damage 8 years of bush/cheney has done is laughable.
believe what you want to believe...if obama gets reelected, you'll drink more koolaid. if a republican gets elected, you'll wake up. the folks in ohio, wisconsin and florida already have.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 GM is now (after the bailout) moving entire lines such as Cadillac to China and will sell the 100% Chinese manufactured vehicles here in the US.
rlwieneke 4 months ago
sorry i said 'Million'. ford borrowed 24 Billion (with a 'b').
i can compare the two because THE GUY IN THE COMMERCIAL SAID :
1) no bailout car;
2)no car company that can't stand on its own.
ford fits into category #2, and came THREE YEARS BEFORE category #1.
chrysler got bailed out in 1979...always has been a weak sister.
ALL hooked up MILLIONS of jobs,though.
lockheed got a bailout in the early 70s. some industries are so large that failure hurts the whole economy.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
I feel the same way. I have been a Chevy guy all my life- currently own a Chevy 3/4 ton Silverado p/u. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER GM PRODUCT AGAIN! GM & the Maobama Administration can go fuck each other. Why not? They ARE bedmates...
sonofrattler 4 months ago
@sonofrattler bush and ford were bedmates in 2006 when ford got a total of $24 million in loans, 3%,they couldnt get form banks on their own. loans they needed to pay the bills.
the guy in the commerical said he wouldnt buy a car from a bailout company. HOWEVER he wanted to buy a car from a company that could 'stand on its own...win lose or draw.'
well, low interest loans to pay your bills from the government is NOT 'standing on your own...win lose or draw'.
try again.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 I'm not saying that Ford is completely clean in all this but how can you even compare $24 million that Ford borrowed from the U.S. govt in 2006 with the $52 BILLION that was given to GM alone during the bailouts. If you do the math, GM borrowed 2,166 times what Ford did. Your argument is kind of childish. Plus that doesn't even count how much money was given to Chrysler...
SSPspaz 4 months ago
Stupid CEO of Companies wanted Free market Capitalism, to self regulate themselves and they robbed the American people and OhBummer hands them bail out money so they can get even more bonuses in 2009/2010. What a load of Crap.
Ford has been and will be #1 in my books!
mrbunnylamakins 4 months ago
@mrbunnylamakins but bush gave ford a LOW INTEREST LOAN of $19 billion and then another $4 billion they'd NEVER have gotten in the free market themselves.
ford being #1 in your book or not is your thing. but PER THE WORDS OF CHRIS IN THE COMMERCIAL, he wanted a 'no bail out' car AND a car company that could 'stand on its own...win lose or draw.'
fords govt loan was NOT 'standing on its own'. NO major car company 'stands on its own'. ALL have either govt bailouts or subsidies.ALL.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 Wow you made it sound like Ford Was Lying through their teeth in the commercial. The Energy Department said Tuesday it would lend $5.9 billion to Ford Motor Co. and provide about $2.1 billion in loans to Nissan Motor Co. and Tesla Motors Inc., making the three automakers the first beneficiaries of a $25 billion fund to develop fuel-efficient vehicles.
Those loans were given to make more fuel efficient cars and was a "Bail Out" as other companies needed.
So you can stop Hating.
mrbunnylamakins 4 months ago
@mrbunnylamakins no, ford wasn't lying though their teeth. in fact, i said FORD ITSELF said they pulled the ad because it was at the end of a 4 week cycle (chris' ford commercial was like the third in a series).
i DID say that chris stated "no bailout car...a car company that can stand on its own, win lose or draw'.
as ford sought, AND GOT, $24 BILLION in loans from THE GOVERNMENT (nobody else could do it), they showed they could NOT stand on their own.
what 'hating'?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
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@neoconsnightmare3 a loan is not a bailout dude listen to WHAT I SAID NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv the bailout was a GENEROUS LOAN from THE GOVERNMENT since gm couldnt get that deal in the private banking world.
FORD got a generous loan from the bush administration since it couldn't get the same in the private banking world.
trying to constantly use the term 'bailout' in order to bash obama and stay quiet on bush doesn't cut it. YOUR WORDS "stand on its own...win lose or draw". remember them?
what about that loan nixon gave to lockheed in the early seventies, eh?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
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Ford also took billions in connection with some 'green' programs.
More hypocrisy
Kabayo944 5 months ago
Ford also took billions in connection with some 'green' programs.
More hypocrisy
Kabayo944 5 months ago
Ford also took billions in connection with some 'green' programs.
More hypocrisy
Kabayo944 5 months ago
Just looked it up and you're nailed lamb chop, the Bank Of America, the largest bank in the United States has less then $3 billion in total assets! You're wrong and it's proven, there is no private Bank with $24 billion in assets!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
you got off subject with your love of reagan. i merely followed you there to ask why you'd become a republican because of that senile, cowardly imbecile?
who,by the way, RAISED TAXES and spent the u.s. into a deficit.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
reuters,sept 27:
"Ford to build electric car in China".
" Ford CEO Alan Mullaly made a comment during a groundbreaking event at a transmission plant in friday about building a Chinese EV with Changan Auto"
good likelihood cars will be exported all over the world,including the u.s. why didnt ford build the electric car in the u.s.?
why does ford STILL have canadian plants in the windsor,ontario area?
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 My comment was directed towards your accusations against others and not in relation to the ford video. Obama's done and you know it. He will go down as the worst or second worst President in modern times behind Jimmy Carter. He wasn't ready to be President and by historical standards had few credentials to be President, even you as a supporter must admit that. Also you guys on the Left love to play the Congress obstruction card, even though Democrats controlled both houses
Holyslayer2 5 months ago
@Holyslayer2 actually,i don't know obama's done. romney is the only one that has a chance, and he'll not be the republican nominee.the others are dwarfs,morons or both.
actually, in modern times, bush 2 is ranked behind carter. of course nixon is too.
i'm not on the left,and unless you can prove it, time for you to carry on private.
actually, even the CONSERVATIVE wall street journal said that the stimulus worked,but it was too limited. look it up.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 I would bet you a serious sum of money he is. Bush is ranked two in public opinion polls in 2010, but historians on both sides agree as a cumulative sum Carter was the worst. You also use the classic Leftist tactic of insulting your opponents when you talk about Republican candidates. Newt Gingrich is a moron? The guy is way smarter than almost anyone in politics, including Barack Obama, and would destroy him in a debate, let alone Joe Biden whom we all know is such a genius.
Holyslayer2 5 months ago
@Holyslayer2 go to wikipedia, presidential ratings. they tallied up a variety of rankings, and in almost all, if not all, carter ranks higher than bush. only 2 out of 7 rank bush higher than carter. guess what? one of thetwo,sienna, actually has as its most RECENT ranking, 2010, carter (32) higher than bush (39) and obama (15) higher than bush.
you lost that bet.
people don't elect vps. newt is a moron and a fuck up in debates. that's why he ranks low amongst republicans. READ MORE
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconstiredarguements the election is far off...Lets get all the viewpoints and see.
I guess if we look at recent History Hillary would be our President today. Enough about Polls and how smart people are. We have a ways to go, hilarious, Perhaps you should Pray for those who don;t see it your way. Your facts are a tired leftist, I'm not a liberal lies, which refuse to address the issues vs personal attacks. Your a liberal by any Def
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv i don't pray for folks that agree/disagree with me. we all have opinions. when we push our OPINIONS as fact, however, we must be prepared to back those opinions up with fact. i have done just that. you cry about 'personal attacks' yet you call me a 'leftist'? good job of contradicting yourself, chris.
your last sentence used 'your' possessive, when you meant 'you're', the contraction of 'you are'. clearly, you'RE an under-informed voter.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 You didn't answer my questions about control from 08-10, or in regards to the credentials. Don't play this nonsense about the stimulus, the administration admits it failed.You guys have been pushing these policies since LBJ and look how far they've gotten us. You are a liberal because you believe in Keynesian economics. You thought November 2010 was something, you've seen NOTHING YET!!!
Holyslayer2 5 months ago
@Holyslayer2 so the conservative wsj gives nonsense about the stimulus? try again. attacking without proof means nothing.i gave you a CONSERVATIVE paper to prove MYpoint.
i'm not liberal, and if you continue tosay i am you're a liar. i am a social liberal, fiscal conservative. that makes me more of a libertarian. why spend money on other countries? why the war in vietnam?why the war in iraq? why worry about folks doing drugs that are no worse than liquor? why worry about who marries?
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@Holyslayer2 see, being SOCIALLY liberal in areas like education is actually being FISCALLY conservative. cheaper to send a kid to school (30K) than put a person in prison (100K). schools are cheaper to build than prisons.
all about the money.
actually, as unpopular as obama is (45%) congress is even LESS popular (18%). the freshmen congressmen tea party folks are seen as obstructionist assholes.
we'll see in 2012. but outside of romney, NONE of the republicans comes close to obama.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 People dont know shit which is why democracy is a fail system. The liberal leftist media permeates every aspect of thought and discussion, and chooses for us what to think. The Republicans themselves have been compromised and corrupted
yohopirate 4 months ago
@yohopirate the leftist media? if the media was leftist, bush never would have served two terms, nor would they point out obama's failures.
if you're saying BOTH parties are corrupted, fine. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO SOLVE THE ISSUE?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 All this talk about Bush in a Democrat vs Republican venue. Let's talk Conservative vs Liberal instead. Bush was a "moderate", a "centrist". Sure he was an improvement over Clinton, but he could have come out of either party. Yes the "Mainstream" media is Leftist. The only believable, unbiased news is Conservative and Christian Talk Radio.
rlwieneke 4 months ago
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@neoconsnightmare3 Why is Bush bad? Because he is a leftist compromised Republican. Obama's failures? We can see plainly with our own eyes. Lol, they've glossed his failures over.
You've not understood quite right. If media is not leftist, why is the default position of every child's TV and school program liberal when the default adult position and the position past society is conservative? Besides, leftists own and control the media
yohopirate 3 months ago
@yohopirate who is the 'they' that allegedly 'glossed over obama's failures'?
feel free to just 'say' stuff without substantiation.
this professed and implied dislike of 'liberals' is simple minded garbage you got from fools like rush limpbahlls (an advocate for america being in wars as long as HE dodges the draft; he hates drug addicts and is one himself).
your question was rhetorical. period.
leftists own and control the media? so fox is leftist? wall street journal? LOL. oh my
neoconsnightmare3 3 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 from 08-10. He passed whatever he wanted and got hammered for it. It will happen again. Also I agree with you that George Bush began our problems with the deficit, but Obama has made it much worse. When you see a house on fire, do you pour gasoline on it?
Holyslayer2 5 months ago
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We traded our import in for a Ford today. KMA obummer, we will buy whatever you go up against.
orimai 5 months ago
We traded our import in for a Ford today. KMA obummer, we will buy whatever you go up against.
orimai 5 months ago
The man bought american, good for him. We might have different political views, but we both feel the need to support our country. As far as the "evil Obama" asking ford to pull the ad, Ford themselves stated they did it on their own withOUT any provocation from the Obama Administration
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/184173-ford-pulls-anti-bailout-ad-after-white-house-call
mediaite.com/online/did-ford-pull-anti-bailout-ad-under-white-house-pressure/
so chill out
veryn 5 months ago
The man bought american, good for him. We might have different political views, but we both feel the need to support our country. As far as the "evil Obama" asking ford to pull the ad, Ford themselves stated they did it on their own withOUT any provocation from the Obama Administration
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/184173-ford-pulls-anti-bailout-ad-after-white-house-call
mediaite.com/online/did-ford-pull-anti-bailout-ad-under-white-house-pressure/
veryn 5 months ago
comrade obama =dismal failure
100crawma 5 months ago
poor comrade obama,the brother cant catch a break
100crawma 5 months ago
@FLBlueShield yeah, you're full of shit. you saying 'liberal ass clown' is meaningless. you're a ford fan boy (given your name and the fact you started that identity 6 days after the video came up).
you personally attacked me, but that's okay? get the fuck out of here, mildred.
you're an idiot, a fool, have not proven your point (wait, you HAD no point except to baselessly attack). you're an absolute failure.
i'll have a nice day knowing your monkey ass lives in mommy's basement.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
"Ford Bailout"? .
KDZigZag 5 months ago
@KDZigZag ford took a 3% interest government loan in 2006, and then another $6 billion in 2009. all to keep the lights on. these were GOVERNMENT LOANS and GOVERNMENT BACKED LOANS on the cheap (3%) because ford couldnt get these loans/terms in the free market (directly with the banks).
thus, this goes against what 'chris' int he commerical said about a car company 'standing on its own'. NONE of the major car companies do. japan and germany subsidize their auto manufacturers. so does the us.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - I don't see Japanese politicians dictating what kinds of cars their manufacturers can build furthermore Ford getting a government loan and Japan subsidizing their auto manufacturers (if indeed that is the case) isn't exactly the same thing as Chairman Zero using a fortune in tax payer dollars to purchase controlling interest in GM and installing a flunky Chairman and ordering a hundred thousand expensive electric clunkers that nobody wants produced with treasury money!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
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@neoconsnightmare3 - I don't see Japanese politicians dictating what kinds of cars their manufacturers can build furthermore Ford getting a government loan and Japan subsidizing their auto manufacturers (if indeed that is the case) isn't exactly the same thing as Chairman Zero using a fortune in tax payer dollars to purchase controlling interest in GM and installing a flunky Chairman and ordering a hundred thousand expensive electric clunkers that nobody wants produced with treasury money!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Ford receiving loans and Japan subsidizing their industry isn't the same as Zero using treasury money to buy controlling interest in a private corporation and ordering them to build unsellable electric clunkers at huge expense to the taxpayers that nobody wants to buy! The Chevy Volt is by every business indicator imaginable a huge commercial failure! Can you say "liberal boondoggle?" The Volt is the worst piece of shit ever!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Ford receiving loans and Japan subsidizing their industry isn't the same as Zero using treasury money to buy controlling interest in a private corporation and ordering them to build unsellable electric clunkers at huge expense to the taxpayers that nobody wants to buy! The Chevy Volt is by every business indicator imaginable a huge commercial failure! Can you say "liberal boondoggle?" The Volt is the worst piece of shit ever!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits i responded to this video. if you listened to it COMPLETELY (obviously you didnt) 'chris', the man in the video, said he didnt want a 'bailout' car. he also went on to say he didnt want a car from a company that couldnt 'stand on its own'.
my mentioning ford getting $24 billion in govt loans (most of it in 2006 under bush) is RELEVANT since they NEEDED those loans and their low interest rate (3%) to stay afloat. they couldnt get that without government backing.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Well consider the scope of the loan lam-chop, how many banking institutions have 24 billion Somalians sitting in a vault waiting to be loaned out to one debtor? 3% of 24 billion Somalians is a tidy sum of money is it not? The issue is that Bush didn't meddle in the day to day operation of the company as Abdul Hussein Obama is meddling by ordering up a hundred thousand electric clunkers that where primarily conceived in DC and that the American market has no place for!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits what's a 'lam-chop'? if you're gonna put someone down, at least spell the putdown correctly.
when you're all done...the guy in the commercial STILL said:
1) no bail out cars;
2)company that can stand on its own.
you can PRETEND he didn't say that,but he did. this means (try to keep up) that FORD couldnt 'stand on its own' when it got a BELOW MARKET LOAN from the feds (a loan it would NOT have gotten on its own from the banks).
facts are facts...bush was a socialist. LOL
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Look who's talking about pissy, your very screen name is pissy progressive!~
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits nope, its laughing at the neoconservatives, who fall into two groups:
1) rich powerbrokers who take advantage of the;
2) dimwitted dolts that need to believe they'll 'belong' one day. they never will.
if anything i'm a libertarian: legalize drugs,let gays marry, get our military out of other countries, take care of THIS country, etc.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - I'm not a new Conservative, I am a Reagan Conservative and I am more then a little angry that the current leadership of the GOP has abandoned the principles that Reagan stood for! I am now an Independent voter so I don't really care about neo-conservativism!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
Now you're getting off subject aren't you? We can leave the Middle East when we're allowed to drill our own oil here in America!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
Correctly? Are you daft? You're claiming that every company that takes a loan isn't "standing on it's own?" Get a grip on reality Commie! Loans aren't bailouts! I'm not a major fan of Bush, he turned me from a Republican back to an Independent after Reagan made me a Republican and that goes for Bush 1 & 2! I don't mind a little socialism like Capitalism tempered with Socialism but not the vice versa, screw that! This is America and our traditional economic system is free market Capitalism!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits actually, i'm quite bright. thanks for asking.
when a company TAKES A LOAN with government help, with terms that they'd NEVER GET in the open market, and those loans are to KEEP THE COMPANY RUNNING,yes, it's not standing on its own.
lockheed did it in the early 1970s (under nixon...that fucking 'socialist'), and ford did it under bush2.
those loans/bailouts kept MILLIONS working,and thus let those earnings get into the economy. this isn't bad.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - What bank has 24 Billion Somalians in it's vault all ready to be loaned out in one lump to a single debtor? Hello? How could the open market facilitate a loan like that? I seriously doubt it's even possible!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits yes, reagan is a centrist. google it and you'll see. stop relying on baseless emotion. do the research. he and clinton, gore...all centrists.
multiple banks could loan it (i mean, ford mortgaged everthing...literally) but only with fed BACKING did the loan go thru. fact: ford was NOT able to 'stand on its own', as the guy in the commercials said he wanted in a car company. period.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Reagan was arming freedom fighters, counter communist revolutionaries not Mexican drug cartels!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits actually, he was arming/funding the muhajadeen, who , GASP, used that same training/arms to kill americans around the middle east.
you failed again.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Multiple banks have $24 Billion dollars? How much thin air did you pluck that gem out of? Even if you could find a single bank with $24 billion in assets what are the chances they would gamble that entire sum on a single loan? Did you take business 101 or Marco-Economics? I find you lacking, you tell me Progressive....NAME ONE SINGLE PRIVATELY OWNED BANK WITH $24 BILLION IN ASSETS! JUST ONE! LIAR!!!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits again...yes,multiple banks have the money. they simply would NOT loan it out for 3%. IF they'd have loaned it to ford, it would have been a MUCH HIGHER RATE. clearly ford KNEW this, and asked bush 2 in 2006 to intervene.
saved jobs. jobs that spent in the economy. JUST LIKE THE BAILOUT.
no matter what you say, how many times you say it...ford couldnt get that loan with 3% on their own. they couldnt 'stand on their own...win lose or draw'.
period.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Well if you're so certain that "multiple banks" have $24 Billion in assets sitting around you can throw the name of one out can't you? That's more money then some country's GDP!
My problem isn't with loaning government money to critical industries, my problem is with the government buying controlling interests in them and setting up shop! Chairman Zero has no fucking business taking the Chief Executive position of GM! None whatsoever!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits night night, princess. you got NOTHING.
the guy in the commercial said he wanted a car company that didnt get the bailout . he THEN said he would buy car only from a company that could 'stand on its own...win ,lose or draw'.
ford needed THE GOVERNMENT to get a 3%loan. period. it needed that GOVT LOAN to PAY ITS BILLS. that is NOT 'standing on its own'.
as long as you're willfully ignorant, i'll give the facts.
time for you to grow up,priscilla.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - You're still in denial of the fact that there isn't a private bank on Earth capable of loaning Ford $24 billion Somalians and I knew you where wrong about that from the get go! Even the Bank Of America, the largest bank in the United States has assets totaling less then $3 billion! You lie like a carpet but I'm not surprised an Obozo Progressive would tell blatant lies! You really need Macro-Economics 101, you're a blithering idiot on that topic just like Obozo!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits you're still in denial...a group of banks could loan the money. however, NONE would do it at 3%.
ford needed the money in order to keep operating.
the government allowed them to get a LOW INTEREST RATE.
they couldnt 'stand on their own...win, lose or draw', per the words ofthe guy in the commericial.
thus, the commercial was disingenous. you can NEVER get around those facts.
now, you can PRETEND you don't get it,but i'll keep reminding you. this is we play the game.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - I want a bag of whatever it is you're smoking! The top ten largest banks in America with all their total assets combined couldn't come up with $24 Billion Somalians! Forget about the business dynamics that would most assuredly impede them from pooling their assets together in order to loan the whole kitchen sink to a single debtor. You're ignorance regarding macro-economics and business is appalling! You're not just blissfully ignorant you're also a pathetic liar!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits when you're done, say you're right...ford STILL got the loan from THE GOVERNMENT (i mean, YOU'RE saying it).
why did they need such a large loan? ohhhhyeahhhhhh...to pay their bills and carry on with business. they needed a GOVERNMENT LOAN at 3% to do business.
this STILL goes counter to what 'chris',guy in commercial said. he wanted to buy a car from a company that 'could stand on its own...win,lose or draw'.
LOL...FORD COULDN'T STAND ON ITS OWN EITHER.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
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StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - The Government was the only entity capable making a loan of that magnitude furthermore 3% of $24 billion dollars is no pittance! So what about the Government loan? The loan to Ford didn't put the U.S. government into the auto business! The President didn't take over as the de facto chairman of the board at Ford in the COMMUNIST fashion because they got a low rate Government loan! The President isn't personally ordering that Ford make crappy electric cars nobody wants!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - The government is the only entity capable of coughing up $24 billion Somalians to loan Ford furthermore 3% of $24 billion isn't chump change!
I don't care about Ford getting a low rate government loan!
I care about the President using treasury money to buy controlling interest in a private corporation and appointing himself the de facto chairman of the board effectively putting the U.S. Government into the auto manufacturing business! That's called COMMUNISM!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits you stayed up to either 2 or 5 am talking this smack? how sad.
lets say the govt is the only one that has the dough...FORD STILL COULDNT STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT A GOVT BACK 3% LOAN. this is what 'chris' in the commercial SAID he wouldnt by a car from...yet he did.
can't get around that.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - If you had even the slightest concept of macro-economics as they relate to big business you would immediately recognize the commonality of national economies making low rate loans to their critical industries, it's common and the rule not the exception! That's part and parcel of Capitalism! What isn't Capitalism is when the government buys controlling interest in a corporation and the politicians set the business plan, that's called COMMUNISM!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 I AM the guy in the commercial. The Ford Co BY YOUR DEFINITION took no bailout money. They took loans. IF you have a mrtg and you pay it back, is that a Bailout? No Ford took loans and paid them back. Were they Govt backed? Sure! name a loan that ultimately Isnt?
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 I AM the guy in the commercial. The Ford Co BY YOUR DEFINITION took no bailout money. They took loans. IF you have a mrtg and you pay it back, is that a Bailout? No Ford took loans and paid them back. Were they Govt backed? Sure! name a loan that ultimately Isnt? Its called taing loans to INVEST in ones Company BTW the Loans did not Go to FORD they went to Fords Credit Divison. You can have your OPINION but you cant make up Facts. Sorry not tolerated
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv i never said that ford took a 'bailout'. i was referring to YOUR STATEMENT starting at 17 second...'a company that stands on its own'. FORD , in 2006, did NOT stand on its loan with a 3% govt loan. it needed government help.
ford mortgaged EVERYTHING to get that loan it could NOT get in the private world. it could NOT 'stand on its own'.
whatever you MEANT by that statement failed to come through. you screwed up.
stand by your statement...NO car company stands on its own now.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@pbn8tv by the way, what you claim to tolerate or not matters NOT in my world.
quote me where i 'made up facts'. verbatim, no paraphrasing. give the page i allegedly posted a 'made up fact'.
you can't. i've given facts, not baseless opinion. you said you wanted a car company that could stand on its own, win lose or draw? name ONE that has, since ford took that gubment loan.
not any of the big three...not any japanese, korean or german car. NONE.
deal with it, chris.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 your diatribe at the top about the bailouts is FACTUALLY incorrect. Enough said Facts escape you. I will Count you as one of the 40 or so out of 500,000 who think the Govt should be involved in owning our car Companies. No facts presented to you by multiple posts get past your socialist mindset.
pbn8tv 4 months ago
@pbn8tv see, you make ad hominem attacks when someone (i) disagree with you, but then complain about me doing it? doesn't work, chris.
what 'diatribe' have i given? i haven't. i gave facts.
40-50000? where'd you get that number? that's right, you made it up.
i gave PLENTY of facts. is it a fact that ford took a LOAN (after mortgaging EVERYTHING) from the government in 2006 from the BUSH administration? yes?
did BUSH, in fact, start the process? YES. is bush a 'leftie'?
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@pbn8tv chris, you seem to think i'm a liberal (nope...if a tag has to be put on me, it would be 'libertarian').
you claimed that you buy your cars IF they didnt receive govt bailouts (gm, chrysler are out), but also said you'd only buy from a company that could 'stand on its own...win lose or draw'. that means NO CAR COMPANY has been able to do that. ford needed a loan (to keep the business running) that ONLY the government could provide.
now i have an important question for you.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@StompingRabbits no proof? actually, the neocons were crying about him being in a 'afro centric CHURCH for 20years'. muslims dont go to'church'. only CHRISTIANS.
nothings been sealedup...he provided a birth certificate. his parents put the birth announcement in the paper. he got a passport when he was six.
my god, you're the 18% of the population that STILL believes that 'birther' idiocy? bwahahahahahahahaha
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - That racist lunatic Church is no known or recognized form of Christianity, it's Marxists and Afro-Centrist and that's how the first 1/2 Black President learned how to be Black!
That "birth certificate" is as phony as a $3 dollar bill! FORGERY! Academic records? Harvard law reviews? Columbia records? Even his SS number is a fraud, how the forking hell did a kid from Hawaii get a SS number reserved for Connecticut residents? Bwahaha JOKE!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits actually, the church isn't 'racist'. it's 'afro centric'. big difference. you got nothing. reverend wright was a marine, a sailor, got his doctorates in ministry from united theological seminary. CHRISTIAN and QUITE AMERICAN.
try again,little one. your ignorance and inability to do basic internet research is laughable.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Black Liberation Theology is not Christianity nor is it recognized as such by any of the mainstream Christian denominations! What it is Black Nationalism and Marxism combined masquerading as Christianity! For crying out loud, Lee Harvey Oswald was also a Marine, so what is your point? That man is a racist and his "God damn America" rant betrays his true feelings about our country!
You're the one who's ignorant, not me!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits actually, his church IS recognized as he has a divinity degree. try again. what major denomination doesnt 'recognize' trinity? name them and cite where they said this. you can't.
how many times do i have to tell you that you just can't say shit and get away with it. you've YET to PROVE your point with ACTUAL CITATIONS. won't work.
lee harvey oswald? really? who did reverend wright kill? enough with the asinine faulty comparisons.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - A Divinity Degree? So what? The University of Chicago isn't sectarian Bubba, anybody of any creed can get a divinity degree, There has to be thousands of loonies out there with divinity degrees! I stated that Black Liberation Theology isn't recognized by any of the mainstream Christian denominations, I never said that it wasn't accepted in other quarters. Black Nationalism isn't a recognized form of Christianity, silly progressive! Ask any Priest but Rev. Fletcher....
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits actually, he went to get his masters at u of chicago, and the UNITED THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY for his doctorates. please pay attention junior.
he's not for black libertarian, but 'afro centric'. big difference. i come from chicago and know folks that went there.
he didnt preach black nationalism..he preached that black folks have gotten a raw deal from the u.s. and that they need to look TO THEMSELVES for solutions. kind of a republican/conservative tip.
try again
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits good you see the u.s. is capitalism tempered with socialism. most don't know that.
but to say obama is 'socialist' is laughable. he's a centrist for DAYS. nothing 'lefty' about him. this is what pisses lefties off. but a 'centrist' to most lefties is better than rabid right wingers.
these are facts. i merely have a profound grasp of the obvious.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Obama is no centrist, no fucking way, he's a radical Muslim communist terrorist saboteur!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits "radical Muslim communist terrorist saboteur! "
you got proof of ANY of that? if not,you're mistaken. continued mistakes along those lines makes you a liar.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Proof? Barrack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim.....bwahahahaha! There is no proof on anything regarding that man's life history, it's all be sealed up by executive order and covered up by the media. The most reliable source would be the domestic terrorist that authored his "autobiography."
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits pssst...when you're done trying to play off your MASSIVE ignorance:
all car companies in recent years have relied on the government...including ford.
so by the alleged condition upon which the guy in the commercial would buy a car,he really can't.
that's why the commercial was disingenous.
it was pulled because it was a 4 week cycle...like the other commercials. ford said so themselves.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - You're the glittering jewel of colossal ignorance and you still haven't provided the name of one single bank in possession of $24 billion in assets because they don't exists and you and I both know that!
Chairman Zero has no business running GM!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits by the way, far from a 'commie'. communism is an effete political system,faulty from the start since human can't implement it without, GASP,PERSONAL capitalist gain.
reagan made you a republican? wow, you like a guy that sends american troops (marines) over to lebanon, tells them NOT to fire back...gets almost 300 killed, and then blames the generals?
or a guy that had 'plausible deniability' in the iran/contra dealings,and dumps it on a military officer?
okay.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Reagan was the best President of the 20th Century hands down!
As far as the rules of engagement are concerned, the Marines in Lebanon where killed by a truck bomb not enemy snipers or firefights!
Obama's the one with the fucked up rules of engagement getting the majority of our soldiers killed in Afghanistan as a result!
Like Obama doesn't have fall guys around him? Bwahahahahah! Silly Progressive, arming the Mexican drug cartels makes the Contra affair look minor!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits yes, the marines were sent BY REAGAN as peacekeepers. they were told NOT to fire back. the truck bomb came in and300 died. reagan then blamed the generals.
afghanistan was THE war,since al quaida was there. bush 2 couldnt find/get bin laden, then FOR NO REASON, went to iraq (halliburton/bectel...cough cough). 4,000 troops killed, 20,000 injured for the LIE of wmds that were NEVER FOUND.
oh, and $2 TRILLON spend in iraq alone. this include the unaccounted for $50 BILLION.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Bin Laden was being hidden by the Pakistani intelligence service until they decided to give Obozo a sorely needed popularity boost. If that's not the truth then the Paki intelligence agency can't find it's own ass in a dark room using both hands! Obama didn't kill his brethren Ossama, Naval Commandos did!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago
@StompingRabbits soooooooo, why wouldnt they hook bush up? and do you have proof of what you say? you haven't in the past,but perhaps you'll surprise me.
you pulled that idiocy out your ass. what do the kids say nowadays? FAIL.
obama actually LOOKED at the intelligence and ORDERED the kill. bush fucked up from jump.
try...try...try again. i'm gonna eat dinner. when i come back,offer proof or you'll be called out for the liar you are.
to myself: bon apetit. LOL
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 - Proof of what? That Barry is a Muslim? He bowed down like a surf in a most subservient fashion to the King of Saudi Arabia and that's all the proof I need! American Presidents don't bow to anyone! Get a grip!
StompingRabbits 5 months ago