How to make Techno music on 1994

[tnmrvc]

of course DAW's are cheaper and more accessible these days. But I still prefer making music exactly this way.

[Robin80s]

Cool, the good old days.

[MrLuisLambo]

ATARI ST!!!!!



[Yardieboss]

does anybody know where this video is from? Is the full video available somewhere?

[Yardieboss]

damn I wish I had been a little bit older that time

[ByonicScalar]

but nevertheless, the mixdown sounded quite shallow and flat.

in comparision to the nowadays productions (guetta &co.) it's just like black and white.

but it was - let's say "hand mader" than the flood you get if you scan the internet for electronic music. currently it's not so easy to "make" a good hit cause the tools are cheap and there have already been a lot of good ideas for any kind of melody ;)

[derlubinator]

@ByonicScalar: Yes, you´re right, but in exeptional cases some artist sounds already big and bright during that time. In my opinion nowadays the sound is very clean and I miss the analoge warmth. A good example is Country & Western (aka Jochem Paap) Reincarnation. A well done mixdown you could never reach with a DAW.

[ByonicScalar]

well no. it's just all about creativity for being successful.

it's not a thing of "hardware stuff vanished" replaced by software applications.

in those days were me and a DJ in stuttgart produced music we were on the same level. had some roland hardware, some AKAI S3000 Sampler, put all stuff together into a Mackie Mixer and even had 2 TB303. But indeed - real ones.

One time we had a mixdown and rehearsed it 8 times until all (handmade) filter movements were acceptable well.

[HannesKaechele]

One of the rare moments to see Jam El Mar in action :-)

[BeatMakerMiKi]

you guys are stupid. i would get so tired of the same kick and hat combination. music noadays its easier to be more crative because with software people that cant afford hardware can also make music

[k1hungary]

I think that is an AMIGA

[zuri89bb]

Lincoln Burrows lol

[philiptwood]

ATARI RULES!!!

[philiptwood]

0:47 Why look at that... Is that an Atari ST...? Why I do believe it is! HAHAHAHAHA!!! XD

[juggnautbitch]

@philiptwood fuck yeah! I still have my 520 stfm.

[askadetra]

i love techno. detroit techno is an intelligent genre with complex beats of chicago house and electro funk

[otpornik]

4:30 power of american natives

[IoUno2011]

Beau jo's music on the rise

[AngelmanChocolate100]

THIS SHIT IS HARD ITS LIKE AN AIRPLANES DASHBOARD

[cobhcdr]

@AngelmanChocolate100 lol

[messthetics]

@AngelmanChocolate100 Looks harder than it was.

[AngelmanChocolate100]

@messthetics no one gets it

[cool1pivoter]

i use fl studio and i am happy i still suck at making music but i am getting better

thank god i dont have to do all this!

[sooperbored123]

garage band. shit bricks

[mcguiremoose]

you fucking suck wooky u wooky bitch

[woskhali]

@DJMCSelfOne

Jam was using Cubase, Westbam was using Notator.

[DJMCSelfOne]

anyone know what program they were usin on that old as computer?

[neopandorex2]

funny people say music was hard to make on a hardstyle video... that music was so formulaic... just go lookup any coltrane performance and tell me what's hard musically speaking ...

[spacenoise5]

i love the blue songs better. red team sucks.

[cjbonecollecter]

hehe would love to pick up a old atari or amiga and run me s900 with it solo! :)

[henriquemoura00]

cool

[amigaknight]

you dont even need all that gear! just an amiga and a copy of octamed :)

[digitalnativedance]

early '90s germans win

[thearchiveable]

Track is 3:30. Has it ever been released?

[drkplnt]

@thearchiveable + @FizliSH Guys, please read back, I already posted the titles. It's Westbam - Celebration Generation (Non Verbal Edit) [/watch?v=V2-wP8737oQ]

[FilziSH]

@drkplnt You are the best! Thx! =)

[cjbonecollecter]

I think if you have a good idea for a track you will do well no matter what you use!If you like hardware, cool!Same with people who prefer a MAC or PC set-up running VST's! Guys like jam and spoon and oliver lieb made (and still do)kick ass productions with what they had at their disposal, primative or overwise!! (:

[cjbonecollecter]

These guys are proper dance music gods!!!!RESPECT FOR POSTING THIS PHAT VIDEO!!!! (:

[systematika]

most of these guys looked fucking iced out to shit and back haha

[droan999]

this is bass drum

[boovy32]

Alot of creative geniuses back then alot of equipment technology enthusiasm great music. These days any tosser can make shite on a lap top

[DUB1ification]

Back then it took a lot of creavityand consinering theQualit music produced its amazing Like my Fav producer of Techno/trance 92-95 was The genius Oliver Leib & all of the other Quality Techno/Trance producer's most of them were genius,Id say a lot of producers today would probly struggle with all the equipment needed to produce a quality Track, Btw great vid thx

[FilziSH]

What is song 3:24 ???

[OLDSKOOLWAX]

@FilziSH look through Jam El Mar's works

[pce81z]

anybody know what that break is?

[TheFinlandnator]

What are you people complaining about!? Because music is cheap to make nowadays, everyone has a chance. Some unknown people make much better songs than "superstar" DJs do. I would consider that as a good thing, because only way of getting success is having talent; there is no need to put thousands of dollars in equipments.

And after all, its just all about how the music sounds; not how hard it is to make. I bet most of you whining ppl haven't even tried to make any kind of music... : /

[tatoot]

@TheFinlandnator amen

there are plenty of hardstyle, hardcore and trance producers that arre MUCH better than their commercial counterparts

[ElasticMinds]

@TheFinlandnator its just a shame that with all this new software and power all people can make now with it is boring generic dubstep wobbles. This comes from someone who started off with software 11 years ago, who went hardware and never looked back :v

[ElasticMinds]

@TheFinlandnator having used both software and hardware, ill never go back to software. The sound is the big part of what people are complaining about with new music.

[TheFinlandnator]

@ElasticMinds Huh? But you can mimic hardware sounds with software easily, but I guess it doesn't matter which you happen to use if it does the job.

[ElasticMinds]

@TheFinlandnator try doing boards of canada in the box.

[TheFinlandnator]

@ElasticMinds I don't know why BoC's music would be any different. I am not sure, but I think e.g. Burial uses mainly software to make his music. His music is "alike" with BoC's.

[AudioBetaDelta]

@TheFinlandnator Yes, good to see people on youtube with common sense

[mynmyself]

...in some way the seam to not have much idea about substractive synthesis...

[Arjetube]

he looks like andy roddick back in the 90is !

[SynthPlaysYou]

Cool as hell!

[luccassoo]

awesome.rave years!!!

[petercamenzind]

music making has never been complicated. compicated is making the gear that makes music.

[michal23pl]

cool. thanks for sharing. btw. i've never like westbam music really much (even he's a cool guy) but plus for him for showing respect to Detriot scene (his cap)!

[frohrstrand]

Westbam is the greatest, i shook his hand when he played the Cybervision Festival in Oslo in '96. He gave me his autograph and also signed an extra one for my friend who was a huge fan of his but couldn't come because he was in the hospital.

[lesscunning]

noise.  or sound tapestry...

[Evilacidfunker]

Its harder to make a track now than it was then. Music is much more complicated now and production standards are so much higher now that its much more difficult to get your track noticed. Its much more competitive now because there are so many people doing it. Back then you could get a away with making a track with a simple structure and sticking to the same formula, now you cant do that. They were using the shitty preset sounds that came with the keyboard, U cant do that today.

[michal23pl]

@Evilacidfunker not really. they've used analog stuff most of all and just a a few had a memory bank. can you see that modular synth or roland system 100 in the video? there was no option to save anything on that. same goes for 909, 808, 303 etc. now too many people use the same prestets from vst from arturia etc. with much of respect we have a different experience and ears i guess.

[Trugbild2]

@Evilacidfunker This is absolutely not true. The first problem was to get access to the equipment at all. Either you had to spend ten-thousands of dollars or you had to know someone. And you had to understand the gear. And you had to stick with what you had and were not able to just download or copy billions of samples or vst plugins. And the computers normally weren't powerful enough to process audio tracks. And it was much more difficult to record something in good quality.

[Bhodisatvas]

wow!! 16 years ago....just think, these days you can fit that entire room into a laptop :)

[hwftw]

Back when techno was phat and raw, full of hardware analog. Now it's all digital software, and now it all (99%) sucks.

Software has killed dance music quality, because it's too easy for anyone to get a hold of and produce complete rubbish. Back then you had to devote a lot of time and effort to compose a track, working with limited hardware forcing people to be creative and make the most of the gear. Now with unlimited software options, the creativity has taken a turn for the worse.

[Elektriber]

@hwftw

agreed.

[Trugbild2]

@hwftw There ALWAYS was a lot of crap out there.

[RAMBRANDTMUSIC]

Wow, Notator. That was my first one too :-))

[SeeleDesTigers]

alle druff! :D

[mobb0ss]

wow this is time of amiga and atari :D

[fuckutube21]

the track in 4:24 kicks ass

[pokerockmario123]

Aaaah the years when techno was still good..

[lasvegaschef]

Awesome

[adolfspittler]

WWWWWESTBÄMMMMMM!!!!



[bitleyTM]

I was there and I'm still here. ;) Feels VERY reminiscent, I also was an Atari kid with a room full of gear. Great video!

[lorispalmieri1]

gooooood........ that songs really sounds better than what we do from a pc.. its really incredible what technology have done, but you know analog syntesis is always better and the analog summing in particular is the thing that makes the differences,

[AnthonyDingemanse]

"So, the work of production is really reduction". Nice vid

[sylvester134]

look how technology has improved so much. Now, with just a software , anyone can create techno music

[UseNext22]

germany iiis the beest!

[bnzo00]

ehehe der westbam.

der is doch druff!^^

[Foxerz]

This is the stuff I live for. I been in Electronic music since i was 10. I used lame mini keyboards when i was a kid and recorded them with Windows voice record. At the time there was no FL and programs for me. I respect this music style. While most will never care to know, or educate on. This is some serious brain work. Anyone can play drums, Play guitar, scream in a mic, play the piano, but only a few can understand this structure of music. I would take all the vintage before new technology.

[ninjastarfishfilms]

ya i love how they where predicting the future

[Hasbone]

Where is this from? Looks like a clip from some sort of documentary, would love to see the whole thing.

[ccricers]

I'm somewhat surprised that they sequence notes in a real sheet music format. Nowadays you can't find many people who would attempt to understand how to read it.

[phthalocyanine4]

was ich aber doch noch sagen muss: wenn ich westbam sehe wird mir übel. was dieser völlig talentfreie (ausser in geschäftsfragen, das muss man ihm wohl zugestehn) typ mit seinem low spirit/mayday-dreck dem techno in den 90ern angetan hat... schämen sollte der sich!

[eneinsx]

document historic..

x)

[justinlecktschimmel]

techno made in germany Hambur or Berlin

your idiots

[phthalocyanine4]

@justin bleib 'ma locker junge. techno ist keinesfalls nur in einem land entstanden. richtig ist wohl, dass viele impulse aus der frühen elektronischen musik, z.b eins karlheinz stockhausen kamen, der dann wiederum kraftwerk beeinflusste, die dann wiederum detroiter wie z.b. atkins beeinflussten. es war eine entwicklung, an der viele beteiligt waren, zu dem was wir heute techno nennen. wenn ich mir ne atkins platte von 81 anhör, klingt das eher nach techno als kraftwerk zu der zeit.

[justinlecktschimmel]

ok das stimmt auch weider abber mir ging es darum zu sagen wo der ursprung entstanden ist

un keines wegs darum zu sagen wer der bessere und wer der schlechtere ist

aber trotzdem danke für deine meinung

grus

[phthalocyanine4]

@justin2 und außerdem ist es soo kleinkariert darüber zu streiten, wer's erfunden hat und auch gar nicht im sinne von techno, da gehts nicht um nationalstolz, da gehts ums feiern.

[DONNIMETROPOLIS313]

Notice the Made In Detroit Hat,

[djjessebase10]

4:13 what song?

[kapbenc]

@djjessebase10 It's propbably just a playing with tunes. Jam El Mar is a member of Dance 2 Trance. The tune sounds like "Let's Get Rollin" or We came in Peace (Desert Mix)" but is none of them.

At the end of the video we can hear the first tunes from P.ower of A.merican N.atives by Dance 2 Trance.

Westbam and Jankuhn talks to us over the tunes of Celebration Generation (Non Verbal Edit) by Westbam.

[djjessebase10]

Thanks for your info

[paulodebelem]

Existe alguma página na internet em que eu possa baixar technos dos anos 90 no formato multi trilhas

Obrigado

[uncledub]

the other two guys are snap!

[XHALE303]

Ah that brings back memories...the good old (midi) atari1040 :)....well i still dont use a PC 2make music, hardware 4life ;)

[EFKA526]

Oh war da ein Modular-System??? Ich glaube in der Zeit haben diese Kerle das nicht benutzt...

[doobyboy21]

the last guy was responsible for Culture Beats - Mr. Vain

[kapbenc]

Westbam (Maximillian Lenz)

Klaus Jankuhn who collaborates with Westbam on almost all of his old songs

Jam-El-Mar (Rolf Ellmer): from Jam&Spoon and also a member of Dance 2 Trance

I got this interview on tape, thank you for sharing this in digitized format.

Anyone recognized the tune produced by Jam-El-mar in the video? Has it released somewhen?

[ChrisA6]

"The technology these days is quite primitive, that's why we have to work in a studio and not go to the forest or somewhere else especially sad if the weather is nice'.

15 years later...anywhere you like.

[ElasticMinds]

@ChrisA6 and still sound inferior to analog :c).

[XXchillioXX]

looks like westbam........

[aciddaphne]

The other dudes... The dude with the ball cap who does Belgium Hardcore

[aciddaphne]

Hey who are these guys...

[aciddaphne]

Dumb - ass me Jam -El Mar

[chrissieboy999]

thats last tune sounded mint

[MortenpAus]

jam el mar the best friend of mark spoon

r.i.p

[Wiikiller102]

this crap is old but it still sounds great

[45682s]

fuck is was hard to make house music back then!!!! all of that equipment!!! all i use to make noise is a fucking computer and M-audio axion 25 keys!!! plus FL studio!!fuck why so much shit when its all in the fucking computer!!! talking about which computer back then were fucking old.. slow ...gay!!!

[Hasbone]

are you kidding? this is awesome.

[3F05Q]

You know what though? It took so much time that people only did something if it was really worth it. Nowadays it's so easy to just use your laptop and make any crappy track in 20 minutes. And as you said, all that results in is noise.

[fullmetalchamploo]

@3F05Q well i think with the advent of technology, there has been more complex and interesting music which would not have been possible in the the 90s

[wizenhiemr]

"the work of production is really reduction" This is the iconic truth of Producing. Love this

[queerp]

@3F05Q there are still some special people out there who are taking advantage of all the new technology, and happen to still be very talented though. suer you have a lot of amateurs out there using laptops and all, but there are people who know what there doing and using laptops to and they sound great. don't be so cynical, the future can be bright if you allow it to be. 

[MrAnderson2107]

Tja... so war das damals.. :-)

[hageir]

Wow!

Where are all these videos from?

They're awesome!

Is there a full version anywhere?

[Gwyo]

20 seconds into the video: Münzing+Anzilotti i.e. SNAP!

[analoq]

This is a great exposé on the techno studios of yesteryear.  I also love the quote at the end:

"The work of production is really reduction."

So true.

[Peanutslayer2]

thats the year i was born

[myztic123]

is dat sum westbam

[jmsimpson11]

seems so much more complex back then.

cant imagine how richard did it.

[kolakube123]

bloke with the cap looks just like lincon out of prison break

[MarcShake]

It's Westbam :)

[Zephear]

Amazing video! Finally we see Klaus Jankuhn. If not him I think Marusha and Westbam as well as other artists would not make the tracks they made.

[esm41]

does anybody know the song at 1:29? did it get released? the progression is really catchy.

[FabeMan]

It's a remix of "Celebration Generation" and has been released on the CD-single together with the original and another remix (maybe somewhere else also. I know it from this CD ^^).

Watch out for "Celebration Generation (Non Verbal").

Greetz :-)

[esm41]

ah thank you sir!

[DeadHand1992]

those shirts are sick

[rtmnmk]

1994 - Wow! Real Synthesizers!!

lol

[ElasticMinds]

What track is Jam El Mar making at the end there? DId it ever get released? Im addicted to that bassline!

[Aetern142]

The break loop at 2:06 is really cool!

[KlausBoss2017]

It was wellknown back then who was the inhouse producer of Low Spirit releases - Klaus Jankuhn.

Look at the credits on the records and his name will be there :)

[Bowiddl]

It is Cubase together with an atari 1040!

[djm1nd]

wow, primitive, true say

[vjrei]

Well, funny I have most of the keyboards they are showing there. Interesting video. Right now I am mixing something in Logic Pro 8 and I really feel better using the actual keyboards rather than soft synth.

[Trance88]

I wonder what computer program they used back then.

[SlashButcher]

Jam el Mar made a damn nice loop, pretty up to date even now. Didn't know that both of those guys are not bad in english. Westbam made a fool of himself. Now we know who was the real composer of his songs.

[protonichu]

Amazing! 5*+fav

[Kiljeaden89]

Excellent Vid, this shows, that back in 94 Techno was a real deal, it wasnt that electro-pop shit of this day, it was a very decent and hard electronic type of music, which is unfourtunatly dead now :((

[Heppagrl]

westbam sucked then, sucks now.

[31Orcas]

Some bands like Metrostation are trying to bring it back, and I'm pretty sure it's still popular in Europe and northern Asia.

[lfatx]

westbam hatte haare!

[marxhale]

well more like before 1984 it was more difficult, because they didn't invented midi yet so it was a bitch 2 sync all the different brands together

but the Atari 1040 always worked pretty well

i thought Moby worked with the Atari till 1999

i think everybody was much more creative with less options,than 2day with all the software crap,who has a lot more options...

Analoge still rules!!!

[Bowiddl]

@ marxhale

Holy words from you! You are right my friend. Back to basics.

[lozleigh]

@marxhale It's so much more fun to buy old kit and see what you can do with it!

[hasitcum2this]

@marxhale

"Analoge still rules!!!"

Everyone I know who DJ's is on CDJ's or Tracktor...

I'm still on the vinyls. IT WILL NEVER DIE!

[ElasticMinds]

@marxhale Software is what has killed so much good music. Everything is too easy to make now. in 84 it was just alot more expensive to do what you wanted to do. Your only samplers were the Fairlight CMI and Synclavier, or an Emulator 1 or 2. Mostly tape based studio to boot. Midi got started in 83, didnt really mature till 84-85. I love my analog, akai samplers, roland drum machines, and vintage outboard. software will never beat it.

[iodyn]

it was not much more complicated back then... its just that they have a lot of professional equipement.

[emptyscience]

THE CREATOR OF LOVE PARADE ... of course dr motte deserves a credit 2 .

[emptyscience]

westbam is the godddddddddddddd im from bulgaria ,im listenin him since 99, he is sick , thats why he is so good , he does that for past 20-30 years ....

[thehitman736]

excellent video

[xMaStRmAtTx]

eww floppy discs