It's interesting to see the needle and thread. Seems good to me. I find as a wavy-haired woman, I have no need to secure the ends of either my braids or those of my curly-haired daughter. Simply braid straight through to the ends of the hair, they will stay in place all day. My straight-haired daughter needs something to hold braids in and hair ties simply slip off and her hair pops loose no matter what we do. Sewing thread and wax sound a lot more secure than pins and spray.
Josh surface see next 4 posts: In academic circles, identification of roman individuals is a hotly contested and fraught subject. Therefore, I feel comfortable in comparing only two portraits.
@jntvstp I fully understand what you feel confortable in comparing only two portraits because it makes a lot of sense to me. I'm so glad that I was able to find your video clip and I really appreciate you gave me a great opportunity and taught me how to study hairdressing of an ancient rome woman.
@jntvstp I hate to bother you but I have one more question...so sorry. 3:29 you're using a wax pomade on tip of hairs after you braid hairs. Would it be possible to know what items were they using in ancient rome instead of a wax pomade?
@joshsurface The type of styling aid should match the purpose and the type of hair. I used wax in this video because the ends of the hair were thin and damaged: they stayed stuck together. If the ends had been thick, I would have tied them individually with thread. Other styling aids were acacia gum resin (dissolved in water it forms an effective gel), olive oil and (likely) other vegetable/nut oils and animal fats. See Ovid, Medicaminae Faciae; Martial, Epigrams; Pliny, Naturalis historiae.
@jntvstp Wow....so so I really thank you so much for your answers!!!! I had no idea that an acacia gum resin become a solution to the problem. I just guess it may be an Olive Oil but I didn't know for that. You meant Ovid is "Publius Ovidius Naso"? Yes I would like to read them!
Josh surface, see next three posts: The major difference is Agrippina 1( capitoline portrait) is portrayed with “Venus locks”, strands of hair taken from behind the ears and allowed to fall in front of the shoulders.
@jntvstp I see. My opinion is that it has a possibility an ancient Roman culture was inspired from an ancient Greece culture. Or it might be an ancient Roman people were respecting an ancient Greece culture. Is it a possibility that "Venus locks" which you pointed out is the same looks like the hair style of "Venus of Milos"?
@joshsurface Yes, much of it was. The Romans absorbed and adapted the Greek pantheon. But if we hadn't had literature (i.e. the myths) we moderns would not be able to interpret those strands as referring to "VENUS"-- we only would have had a lot of random statues with similar hairdos. It is possible that these locks were consciously "quoted" by some roman women wishing to emulate the goddess, but we can't be certain. They may just have liked the way they looked!
Agrippina 1's hair (capitoline portrait) appears to be straighter than Ag 2, but frizzier all around the face, resulting in generalized puffiness from the top of the head forward. Agrippina 2's hair (RISD portrait) appears much curlier, with frizziness confined to the hairline.
@jntvstp I agree with you 100%. I think it's a possibility that Agrippina 1's hair was straighter than Ag 2 because I see every portraits. So I assume that Ag 2 needed to be twisted at the nape, bound into a pony tail because as you pointed out, Agrippina 2's hair is much curlier than her mothers.
The differences between of agrippina 1 and 2 are subtle. Structurally, the hairstyles are the same: the hair is pulled back, twisted at the nape, bound into a pony tail, braided and looped. differences you see have more to do with the "natural hair".
@jntvstp Hi Janet. Thank you so much for writing detail about the differences between of agrippina 1 and 2. Yes, as far as I can see, I seem that agrippina 1 had her hair down to neck in a natural.
Thank you so much for updating your video clips! I'm writing a story about her whole life "Agrippina The Younger" in Japanese I needed to learn and study how to make an ancient roman women hair style! If you don't mind, would you let me know what the difference between her and her mother'S hairstyle Agrippina The Elder is? Thank you!
What a marvelous, entertaining video! Thank you, jntvstp! Now, if you could only explain the braided intracies of the signature hairstyle of Empress Elizabeth of Austria I'd be in 7th heaven!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! It always amazes me how hairstyles become, literally, reinvented. But hair is hair after all, it hasn't changed, only the things we do to it! cheers!
Thank you for this wonderful video! I was baffled to see it is such an ancient hairdo, since it is still worn sometimes by women today (though not using the hairstitching technique).
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for uploading these vids.
drhalsall 1 month ago
It's interesting to see the needle and thread. Seems good to me. I find as a wavy-haired woman, I have no need to secure the ends of either my braids or those of my curly-haired daughter. Simply braid straight through to the ends of the hair, they will stay in place all day. My straight-haired daughter needs something to hold braids in and hair ties simply slip off and her hair pops loose no matter what we do. Sewing thread and wax sound a lot more secure than pins and spray.
nokomarie1963 3 months ago
Josh surface see next 4 posts: In academic circles, identification of roman individuals is a hotly contested and fraught subject. Therefore, I feel comfortable in comparing only two portraits.
jntvstp 7 months ago
@jntvstp I fully understand what you feel confortable in comparing only two portraits because it makes a lot of sense to me. I'm so glad that I was able to find your video clip and I really appreciate you gave me a great opportunity and taught me how to study hairdressing of an ancient rome woman.
joshsurface in reply to jntvstp (Show the comment) 7 months ago
@jntvstp I hate to bother you but I have one more question...so sorry. 3:29 you're using a wax pomade on tip of hairs after you braid hairs. Would it be possible to know what items were they using in ancient rome instead of a wax pomade?
joshsurface in reply to jntvstp (Show the comment) 7 months ago
@joshsurface The type of styling aid should match the purpose and the type of hair. I used wax in this video because the ends of the hair were thin and damaged: they stayed stuck together. If the ends had been thick, I would have tied them individually with thread. Other styling aids were acacia gum resin (dissolved in water it forms an effective gel), olive oil and (likely) other vegetable/nut oils and animal fats. See Ovid, Medicaminae Faciae; Martial, Epigrams; Pliny, Naturalis historiae.
jntvstp in reply to joshsurface (Show the comment) 7 months ago
@jntvstp Wow....so so I really thank you so much for your answers!!!! I had no idea that an acacia gum resin become a solution to the problem. I just guess it may be an Olive Oil but I didn't know for that. You meant Ovid is "Publius Ovidius Naso"? Yes I would like to read them!
joshsurface in reply to jntvstp (Show the comment) 7 months ago
Josh surface, see next three posts: The major difference is Agrippina 1( capitoline portrait) is portrayed with “Venus locks”, strands of hair taken from behind the ears and allowed to fall in front of the shoulders.
jntvstp 7 months ago
@jntvstp I see. My opinion is that it has a possibility an ancient Roman culture was inspired from an ancient Greece culture. Or it might be an ancient Roman people were respecting an ancient Greece culture. Is it a possibility that "Venus locks" which you pointed out is the same looks like the hair style of "Venus of Milos"?
joshsurface in reply to jntvstp (Show the comment) 7 months ago
@joshsurface Yes, much of it was. The Romans absorbed and adapted the Greek pantheon. But if we hadn't had literature (i.e. the myths) we moderns would not be able to interpret those strands as referring to "VENUS"-- we only would have had a lot of random statues with similar hairdos. It is possible that these locks were consciously "quoted" by some roman women wishing to emulate the goddess, but we can't be certain. They may just have liked the way they looked!
jntvstp in reply to joshsurface (Show the comment) 7 months ago
Agrippina 1's hair (capitoline portrait) appears to be straighter than Ag 2, but frizzier all around the face, resulting in generalized puffiness from the top of the head forward. Agrippina 2's hair (RISD portrait) appears much curlier, with frizziness confined to the hairline.
jntvstp 7 months ago
@jntvstp I agree with you 100%. I think it's a possibility that Agrippina 1's hair was straighter than Ag 2 because I see every portraits. So I assume that Ag 2 needed to be twisted at the nape, bound into a pony tail because as you pointed out, Agrippina 2's hair is much curlier than her mothers.
joshsurface in reply to jntvstp (Show the comment) 7 months ago
The differences between of agrippina 1 and 2 are subtle. Structurally, the hairstyles are the same: the hair is pulled back, twisted at the nape, bound into a pony tail, braided and looped. differences you see have more to do with the "natural hair".
jntvstp 7 months ago
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@jntvstp Hi Janet. Thank you so much for writing detail about the differences between of agrippina 1 and 2. Yes, as far as I can see, I seem that agrippina 1 had her hair down to neck in a natural.
joshsurface in reply to jntvstp (Show the comment) 7 months ago
Hi Janet!
Thank you so much for updating your video clips! I'm writing a story about her whole life "Agrippina The Younger" in Japanese I needed to learn and study how to make an ancient roman women hair style! If you don't mind, would you let me know what the difference between her and her mother'S hairstyle Agrippina The Elder is? Thank you!
joshsurface 7 months ago
Check out "cosplay.com" and search for "Sissi wig". It looks pretty plausible. Cheers, J
jntvstp 1 year ago
What a marvelous, entertaining video! Thank you, jntvstp! Now, if you could only explain the braided intracies of the signature hairstyle of Empress Elizabeth of Austria I'd be in 7th heaven!
erzbet07 1 year ago
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! It always amazes me how hairstyles become, literally, reinvented. But hair is hair after all, it hasn't changed, only the things we do to it! cheers!
jntvstp 1 year ago
Thank you for this wonderful video! I was baffled to see it is such an ancient hairdo, since it is still worn sometimes by women today (though not using the hairstitching technique).
schattiepatties 1 year ago
Thank you so much! I love my Yeti microphone!
jntvstp 1 year ago
I really like the narration. Your voice is very proper-sounding and pleasant to listen to, it sounds like a documentary.
NeverBreakXPact 1 year ago
Such an amazing and creative video! Thanks for posting.
colleenmorgan 1 year ago