I have perfect pitch and the key bothers me, Simply sounds too low and fast. The oboist playes two wrong notes: in measure 2 the second last note is A flat and in measure 9 the fourth 16th note should be an E flat. That applies in the c minor virsion I have. It is so sad when people get personal on this site! How about respecting a different opinion without feeling the need to insult?
There are two versions of the Magnificat: Originally Bach composed it in E flat Major and later he transposed in D major, the latter version becoming the most known. If the orchestra plays the D major version on authentic instruments with an A=415 Hz tune, it creeps towards C major and I can very well understand that people with absolute pitch can be very troubled when hearing it. It just does not sounds right to them. About the "wrong notes", I call that interpretation. :-)
il tema del coro è ripetuto per 41 volte,tante quante sono le generazioni che intercorrono tra Abramo e Gesù Cristo. Bello è anche il gioco fra "ones" di generationes e "omnes": infatti su "ones"(ultima nota del tema) comincia "omnes" (inizio del tema), stante ad indicare il sovrapporsi delle generazioni.
Stop being querulous folks, this English rose sings beautifully and has a timbre that's very British. Simply wonderful ie.soloists, choir, conductor n orchestra. sd goh (malaysia)
I would prefer to hear a good boy's singing, and not these "baroque" singers poor of vocal technique and expression, even if they're adult and should have a lot of time to improve their singing.
vocal technique? i think their vocal technique is good. as for expression... mmmm... would belong to the theatre with musicals? at least shes smiling LOL
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How can you think that this little and difficult voice own a good vocal technique? But in "baroque" field, it's true, I heard even very much worse. Fortunately, Bach's music is always good, even if the performers are poor, and this is for the luck of a number of performers.
@jerroldtidwell thank-you jerrold, everybody needs God's help on this earth; I feel that it is my duty to point out that a lot of very important conductors, choirmasters and organists use to appeal to singers who have an incomplete vocal technique. They generally hate opera singing and full voice, so they make people believe that for ancient and baroque repertoire we need poor voices, without legato, without natural vibrato: couldn't they choose boys singers, if they want treble voices?
Considering that this is a historically informed performance, and Bach's church would have been singing the Latin in a German manner, I'd say her Latin was spot on... it's not supposed to sound like Classical or Ecclesiastical pronunciation, it is supposed to be Baroque-era German pronunciation. :)
Malicious Pirate, the chorus sopranos sound flat due the the positioning of the entire performing ensemble. The soprano's higher vibration frequencies are hitting the roof of the church and colliding with themselves at a very fast rate of speed giving the listener a "flat" sound. Had Ton Koopman lowered the ensemble on to the alter (where everyone could get their money's worth and actually see the performance) the soprano's would sound more in tune. I'm just kidding... I think they sound fine.
My favorite version is Bernstein's recording, which is romantic -- so much personal feeling in the solos, and such POWER in the choruses -- omnes means EVERTHING and EVERYBODY in his version, all generations will call her blessed, every last one.
THis version is lighter, gayer, happier -- more sub specie aeternitatis, where suffering and passion are things of hte past and barely remembered and lend no weight: i LIKE it, I like it a lot, but I really like it when God is mighty.
Bach was a church musician. One of his duties was to write music for the church services. They were intended for one performance each, but he did his job so well that his works continue to be performed to this day.
I love this performance. I especially love the unresolved flatted 9th on the fermata toward the end of the chorus--gives me goosebumps. I actually like these tempos. It's refreshing to hear the E-flat version--it's not quite the D version, but different and very refreshing.
I actually like the treatment of Omnes Generationes. It really highlights the scalar movement of the Omnes figure as it passes through the parts. They could have done even more with the text, but the tempo works.
je trouve l aria peu précis elle ne chante pas les notes il ny a pas un réel phrasé on ne sent pas le dialogue avec le haubois. De plus je ne suis pas fan de cette prononciation. mais bon je suppose que c"est volontaire. il faut trouver le juste milieu entre la précision baroque et un peu de lyrisme vocal.!! mais ce n'est pas simple
I was just blessed with the privalage to sing this Bach Magificat, this summer with the Oregon Bach festival stangland family youth choral academy! It was AMAZING! For me to just be 19 years old and be a tenor in this chior singing this is an honor!
It's actually just done in a more baroque style. Improvisation like she did here was very common during Bach's time; and it's not too fast, everyone's interpretation is just different. The recordings you hear are just very modernized according to current taste.
not performed the way i'm used to hearing it, so sounds foreign, but i imagine there are an almost infinite number of interpretations of this beautiful bach piece
I think Bach could have very much intended Omnes Generationes to be a quick succession of voices in contrapunctal fashion - allowing for a full "Omnes" word painting.
Im so used tot eh D major version that it is hard to like this. It just sounds too different and I miss the flutes in the choruses. However, I really like the dissonance at 3:09. It's very daring and a shame Bach decided to resolve it in the later version.
They're playing a different version of the Magnificat. It was originally written in Eb major (BWV 243a), then transposed to D major (BWV 243), which is the version we usually hear. Bach also toyed with a few orchestral things here and there, including the soprano D at 3:09 and that discrepancy you heard at 1:52.
She doesn't screw up at the end, or anywhere else for that matter. This is not the normally heard/played/recorded D major Magnificat, BWV 243. It is the much less known E flat major BWV 243a version. It was composed first, in 1723, but Bach made a new version later on, changed a few notes, and transposed the whole thing to D major, and for some reason that is the one that is mostly used. So, not wrong, but different from the composer's hands.
=/ Mi apreciación es que lamentablemente la interpretación de la soprano es muy pobre en matices, sobre todo en dinámica. Es triste pues estamos hablando de profesionistas =/
Hey, the woman who plays "quia respexit" missed some notes and made up some. She chose to be creative at the wrong place wrong time. Since JSB is not here to throw his wig at her, $10 fine:-)
I love the way Bach wrote the end of 04, beginning it as he did the other segments, but cutting it off so shortly. It's as if he wanted to say, "I could have done this a million times".
cuales son los nombres de los solistas...?
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I dont undestand how there are 11 people that dont like this. ¿To much regueton?
achawall0fitakeche 2 months ago
What's the intstrument at the incipit? a particular oboe?
PierFrancescMicciche 2 months ago
I meant sober and right
imlovinski 3 months ago
very pure and "juste" interpretation
imlovinski 3 months ago
Omnes was TOO FAST!!
larasoto1991 6 months ago
@larasoto1991
Agreed! The choir was amazing but still the omnes is too fast, it was cool to hear but still.... give Bach a break ;)
vfegfe 2 months ago
I wish... I wish I could write something as gorgeous as this.
GaiusRota 7 months ago
Omnes Generationes was ridiculously fast.
sstuddert 11 months ago
i was there, he is not playing wrong notes. he is playing the eb major version which is different from the d major version
haarlemanna 1 year ago
Her voice is the combination of a beautiful pure soprano with a rich mezzo. So beautiful! Praise God. :D
janeym 1 year ago
1:38 to 1:46 doesn't even sound human...absolutely amazing!!!
therising1 1 year ago
wich instrument is playin ton kopman ?
jscamach 1 year ago
@jscamach A Portativ.
LifeforArt 1 year ago
this extraordinary score is a proof of Bach´s intense religiosity, perfect and sublime
beethomozart 1 year ago
I have perfect pitch and the key bothers me, Simply sounds too low and fast. The oboist playes two wrong notes: in measure 2 the second last note is A flat and in measure 9 the fourth 16th note should be an E flat. That applies in the c minor virsion I have. It is so sad when people get personal on this site! How about respecting a different opinion without feeling the need to insult?
lekmioas 1 year ago
@lekmioas
There are two versions of the Magnificat: Originally Bach composed it in E flat Major and later he transposed in D major, the latter version becoming the most known. If the orchestra plays the D major version on authentic instruments with an A=415 Hz tune, it creeps towards C major and I can very well understand that people with absolute pitch can be very troubled when hearing it. It just does not sounds right to them. About the "wrong notes", I call that interpretation. :-)
heijxje 1 year ago
Nice sound although some of the soloists' timing was incorrect...lovely though. Lovely tonality .
WUTaTALENT 1 year ago
il tema del coro è ripetuto per 41 volte,tante quante sono le generazioni che intercorrono tra Abramo e Gesù Cristo. Bello è anche il gioco fra "ones" di generationes e "omnes": infatti su "ones"(ultima nota del tema) comincia "omnes" (inizio del tema), stante ad indicare il sovrapporsi delle generazioni.
alessandro7875 1 year ago
Stop being querulous folks, this English rose sings beautifully and has a timbre that's very British. Simply wonderful ie.soloists, choir, conductor n orchestra. sd goh (malaysia)
301250 1 year ago
Lovely.. but for some reason Im in love with Tarja's version...
UltravioletSlave 1 year ago
I would prefer to hear a good boy's singing, and not these "baroque" singers poor of vocal technique and expression, even if they're adult and should have a lot of time to improve their singing.
lojundolo 2 years ago
vocal technique? i think their vocal technique is good. as for expression... mmmm... would belong to the theatre with musicals? at least shes smiling LOL
moonshiry 2 years ago 4
poor technique, huh? I suspect this Soprano has more technique in her index finger than you will ever experience. Get a life!
jerroldtidwell 2 years ago
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How can you think that this little and difficult voice own a good vocal technique? But in "baroque" field, it's true, I heard even very much worse. Fortunately, Bach's music is always good, even if the performers are poor, and this is for the luck of a number of performers.
lojundolo 2 years ago
You need help.
jerroldtidwell 2 years ago
@jerroldtidwell thank-you jerrold, everybody needs God's help on this earth; I feel that it is my duty to point out that a lot of very important conductors, choirmasters and organists use to appeal to singers who have an incomplete vocal technique. They generally hate opera singing and full voice, so they make people believe that for ancient and baroque repertoire we need poor voices, without legato, without natural vibrato: couldn't they choose boys singers, if they want treble voices?
lojundolo 1 year ago
плевать что камера плохая.. бах вечный и идиот отказался бы пойти на такой концерт
dal1882 2 years ago
this gives me chills.....beautiful!
meratenjou 2 years ago 2
Alfredo Bernardini es un grande , increible su musicalidad !!!
golli33 2 years ago
devo dire che anche io preferisco la versione di bernstein...ma non si discute sulla qualità dell'esecuzione
bar0qu3 2 years ago
da recording sound is no good
August45 2 years ago
the latin she sung wans so bad!!!
terryyes101984 2 years ago
is german latin
salomesandoval 2 years ago
German Latin preformed by a Dutch singer. :)
baaaba21 2 years ago 12
Deborah York is British actually. No less ironic though, I guess.
brandon71085 2 years ago
She sang it using German Latin.
snoopy5312 2 years ago 2
Considering that this is a historically informed performance, and Bach's church would have been singing the Latin in a German manner, I'd say her Latin was spot on... it's not supposed to sound like Classical or Ecclesiastical pronunciation, it is supposed to be Baroque-era German pronunciation. :)
payrollz1234 2 years ago 4
Listen to the strikings of the notes! (Among others.) Just wonderful.
QNWNENRNTNY 2 years ago
Malicious Pirate, the chorus sopranos sound flat due the the positioning of the entire performing ensemble. The soprano's higher vibration frequencies are hitting the roof of the church and colliding with themselves at a very fast rate of speed giving the listener a "flat" sound. Had Ton Koopman lowered the ensemble on to the alter (where everyone could get their money's worth and actually see the performance) the soprano's would sound more in tune. I'm just kidding... I think they sound fine.
gerubach72 3 years ago
Just me or are the chorus sopranos just a tad flat?
MaliciousPirate 3 years ago
Thanks Ton! ...and thanks Johann Sebastian!!! The greatest, EVER!
maxo65 3 years ago 15
@maxo65
he surely is the greatest even! the only one who is close to him is Handel.
vonAdieux 9 months ago
@vonAdieux Totally disagree, although it's a matter of tastes...
I think the closest to Bach is no one, he's very unique. He's my second favourite composer. First place goes to Vivaldi.
starbreez3 7 months ago
My favorite version is Bernstein's recording, which is romantic -- so much personal feeling in the solos, and such POWER in the choruses -- omnes means EVERTHING and EVERYBODY in his version, all generations will call her blessed, every last one.
THis version is lighter, gayer, happier -- more sub specie aeternitatis, where suffering and passion are things of hte past and barely remembered and lend no weight: i LIKE it, I like it a lot, but I really like it when God is mighty.
1psoas9 3 years ago
GRANDE ALFREDO! Salutaci Ton!
63023FB 3 years ago
somebody changed the notes to protect the innocent?
bearsdenoboe 3 years ago
we sang this in chorus last year. EPIC WIN.
potatodar 3 years ago
my favorite, i love JS Bach,He Was the best,and is and will be.
this music has came right from heaven.
God bless you my beloved JS Bach.
hogsprinc 3 years ago 2
Bach was a church musician. One of his duties was to write music for the church services. They were intended for one performance each, but he did his job so well that his works continue to be performed to this day.
BayAreaBiker2001 3 years ago
Grandissimo Alfredo Bernardini :D
aleiv 3 years ago
It was so refreshing to hear it so differently! I would love to meet with this man one say!
SVENSKSOPRAN 3 years ago
I love this performance. I especially love the unresolved flatted 9th on the fermata toward the end of the chorus--gives me goosebumps. I actually like these tempos. It's refreshing to hear the E-flat version--it's not quite the D version, but different and very refreshing.
FraAngelico440 3 years ago
I actually like the treatment of Omnes Generationes. It really highlights the scalar movement of the Omnes figure as it passes through the parts. They could have done even more with the text, but the tempo works.
minvasive 3 years ago
je trouve l aria peu précis elle ne chante pas les notes il ny a pas un réel phrasé on ne sent pas le dialogue avec le haubois. De plus je ne suis pas fan de cette prononciation. mais bon je suppose que c"est volontaire. il faut trouver le juste milieu entre la précision baroque et un peu de lyrisme vocal.!! mais ce n'est pas simple
cecilefornerod 3 years ago
I was just blessed with the privalage to sing this Bach Magificat, this summer with the Oregon Bach festival stangland family youth choral academy! It was AMAZING! For me to just be 19 years old and be a tenor in this chior singing this is an honor!
zazvar 3 years ago
Learn to spell.
chasmesque 3 years ago
I sang Quia Respexit before and i have heard a few recordings and this is probably the strangest one of all.
it is TOO FAST. She seems to not sing a few notes in the first few lines and the ornimentation is very odd.
I don't like it in Eb.
sam1322xx 3 years ago
It's actually just done in a more baroque style. Improvisation like she did here was very common during Bach's time; and it's not too fast, everyone's interpretation is just different. The recordings you hear are just very modernized according to current taste.
Elphaba415 3 years ago
There is a reason why accepted versions are accepted. This is an interesting academic exercise but doesn't warrant becoming mainstream.
chasmesque 3 years ago
not performed the way i'm used to hearing it, so sounds foreign, but i imagine there are an almost infinite number of interpretations of this beautiful bach piece
natedawg1026 3 years ago
I actually like this tempo of Omnes Generationes.
I think Bach could have very much intended Omnes Generationes to be a quick succession of voices in contrapunctal fashion - allowing for a full "Omnes" word painting.
ackabane 3 years ago
thats not the version i know... a lot of the notes seem wrong i guess there are many versions...
afffred 3 years ago
TOO FAST - Omnes generationes
emenems1 3 years ago
This is the E flat version, BWV243a.
gianm73yout 3 years ago
This is the E flat version, BWV243a.
gianm73yout 3 years ago
Omnes generationes is just such a spectacular movement. Awesome in the true sense of the word.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Im so used tot eh D major version that it is hard to like this. It just sounds too different and I miss the flutes in the choruses. However, I really like the dissonance at 3:09. It's very daring and a shame Bach decided to resolve it in the later version.
Rik77 3 years ago
and at 03:09 soprano 2 stays in d??? why is that???
141407078989 4 years ago
I agree, that's strange... and not written by J.S Bach !
SimplyDavid42 4 years ago
They're playing a different version of the Magnificat. It was originally written in Eb major (BWV 243a), then transposed to D major (BWV 243), which is the version we usually hear. Bach also toyed with a few orchestral things here and there, including the soprano D at 3:09 and that discrepancy you heard at 1:52.
norcalrobbie2 3 years ago 3
what the hell happend around 01:52???
That's not how this air is usualy played
141407078989 4 years ago
it's a mistake
jackeddemon 3 years ago
Deborah York is a marvellous soprano...
OedipusColoneus 4 years ago 3
the choirs is briliant, the soprano solo less so...
She swallows her words, and just sounds..weird??
eumhpie 4 years ago
THe choir is really good!! unfortunately, the soprano (even if she has a good voice) was not so good, she should be less "heavy"... :oS
barramundo 4 years ago
She doesn't screw up at the end, or anywhere else for that matter. This is not the normally heard/played/recorded D major Magnificat, BWV 243. It is the much less known E flat major BWV 243a version. It was composed first, in 1723, but Bach made a new version later on, changed a few notes, and transposed the whole thing to D major, and for some reason that is the one that is mostly used. So, not wrong, but different from the composer's hands.
jakobdkp 4 years ago
Slava tvoie, Boze, slava tvoie.
NihilNominis 4 years ago
=/ Mi apreciación es que lamentablemente la interpretación de la soprano es muy pobre en matices, sobre todo en dinámica. Es triste pues estamos hablando de profesionistas =/
edreika 4 years ago
The soloists kind of suck, no? She barfs up the beginning of the piece pretty badly.
tamerlano 4 years ago
Hey, the woman who plays "quia respexit" missed some notes and made up some. She chose to be creative at the wrong place wrong time. Since JSB is not here to throw his wig at her, $10 fine:-)
onionpizza 4 years ago
Would be a waste of a wig. At any rate, Koopman's magnificent choir more than compensates.
NihilNominis 4 years ago
I love the way Bach wrote the end of 04, beginning it as he did the other segments, but cutting it off so shortly. It's as if he wanted to say, "I could have done this a million times".
NihilNominis 4 years ago
Alfredo Bernardini for president.
BarGiuli 4 years ago
Ara, My Freshman class chorus is singing the bach magnificat. :)
xKiyohime 4 years ago
ive sang this, it is an amzing piece !
lolols 5 years ago
she sings awful, i sang it too, but better!!!!
DarkGadjika 4 years ago
ba da prost mai canta fumeia , ce dreaq , macar sa-i dea cineva o oglinda, ca sa vada ce boccie e, manca-v-ash !!!
DarkGadjika 5 years ago
tu te uiti la femeie sau la interpretat?
Arab0 4 years ago