God has a family he adopts thru his sons sacrafice to bei with him for all eternity and then he savbes whomever he wants with the blood of his son Ephesians 1:5 God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.
Deuteronomy 28:15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: saudaxidil
Deuteronomy 28:21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.
Deuteronomy 28:20 "The LORD will send upon you curses, confusion, and rebuke, in all you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken Me.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Proverbs 1:26 So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster overtakes you
Zephaniah 1:12 "It will come about at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps, And I will punish the men Who are stagnant in spirit, Who say in their hearts, 'The LORD will not do good or evil!'
@MrSlippin22 Yeah, God admits he does evil, yet Christians go out of their way to try and explain away his evil as actually being something good. Cognitive dissonance at its finest!
@MrYugi15 Do you blame children for the crimes of the parents? That is ridiculous and unjust (and it's something God does--which is yet more evidence he is evil). Each person is responsible for his OWN behavior. I cannot control what my ancestors did, and I will not accept any blame for their behavior. You can judge me for MY behavior, but not theirs.
God is not just...unless you think his ordering people to hack to death innocent babies is just.
@MrYugi Who are "your people"? Are you black? If so, then you should know that EVERY government has been guilty of atrocities...including all the governments of Africa. Are you aware that the slave trade was strong in Africa even BEFORE Europeans joined in? The entire world was much less fair, much more racist, and much more cruel than it is today. Society LEARNS, fortunately, which is why even though God condones slavery, we consider it immoral and abhorrent today.
There is something you can do about starving....get out there and feed them. Be God's hands and feet to the poor and homeless. We don't have to go to Africa.....we have those people in our own backyard in the USA!
@GWNow If you check out my #6 video (/watch?v=lCfVd5QvdGY), you'll see that I address this. Even if EVERYONE mobilized today, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to save the 30,000 children who will die of disease and starvation today. It's TOO LATE for them. The ONLY hope they have is God. But all he does is sit there and watch them cry in agony...and then send them to hell to be tortured for eternity if they're not Christians.
WE are not perfect, but God is far, far worse. Just read the Bible to see.
I know this video is older but I'm wondering if your thoughts are still the same? You say God is evil and gives no way...but He does give hope and thats through Jesus....The people in Noahs day had a chance to repent......Abraham was a type and shadow so God knew what He was doing...were did the murder come from with Abraham...and yes hell is real because people choose not to change their behavior....the burnt sacrifice was from the beginning in the shedding of blood to clothe Adam and Eve...
@GWNow This video IS very old. I've since greatly expanded on the evidence and created a detailed series using the Bible itself to prove God is evil. Here's the first video:
/watch?v=RT8WATQ6vWY
If God is all-knowing, then he KNEW that people in Noah's time would turn wicked. That he STILL created humanity unchanged, knowing he would drown them all, is evidence he WANTED to drown even innocent children and animals. View the videos to see the whole case against God.
And the stupidity continues, someone needs a reality check, you honestly have no idea what you are doing. This video has nothing to do with blasphemy. The entire Blasphemy Challenge is as pointless as this video. You people should hold hands and sing a simple song cause obviously there is no depth to any of you. The whole operation is childish and a complete waste of youtube space. This is pathetic!
Sorry, I'm just getting caught up on your comments back to me.
Yes, Prof's Job series is about the best I've seen on YT. ProfMTH is a brilliant researcher and he has exposed so many previously unknown errors and problems in scripture, just as you have.
The reason I've made such an issue out of the story of Job is bcuz it has had such a powerful effect on me. What he did to Job, and what he said to him in the aftermath, can only be described as evil beyond evil.
enough continual dialogue from this god, to give us a really in-depth insight into his psycho-emotional state. Some ask why is all that so important. I think they're critically important bcuz it tells us in no uncertain terms, just what this character was about. What I'm referring to is the story of Job.
It illustrates just how much god despised man! This story tells us so much about how this OT god really felt about Job, & mankind.
God...a power addicted psycho who was exactly like a man.
@Cootabux Agreed! And I probably should have mentioned Job in my vids--but there's just SO MUCH one can include! Maybe for an upcoming one....
Perhaps God's attitude toward Job is worse than just despising us...it's total indifference to human suffering just to stroke his own ego. Hate can make people do horrible yet sometimes understandable things. But having no emotional investment yet being able to so casually destroy a person...that requires psychopathy.
Please don't think I'm criticizing u, & your work. You've produced a masterful presentation, & if it doesn't make the theists "think," then they are dead inside.
The story of Job is more than enough for it's own series.
I was just curious if u had spent any time on it & what u thought. The story has a profound effect on me, relating to the evil nature of their god.
Yes, my choice of words were far too light. When a being can kill children & the fetuses in the womb, that says it all.
Just one other thing. Getting a grasp of what you were saying about how much worse god's emotional feelings & attitude was towards Job, and humans in general, I noted something that really impresses that on the reader.
After Job asks his question of "why," he may as well had accused god of being downright evil too, it pissed god off so much that he railed against Job for "53" verses from that point on! You'd think god would at least had praised Job for holding out as long as he did!
U know from a good while back I had mentioned to you that the "evil god" aspect of Xianity was my biggest point about the religion. I mean, that says it all. and no one who is honest, has read the entire bible, & in their right mind, would ever deny this fact.
I've always looked for a segment book, or chapter in scripture, that would give us a good insight into "god's" psychology. Most verses are short & only illustrate an evil act. But I found one story that gives us more than
@SavedComputerGeek You seriously believe God is not evil? Wow, you REALLY need to read the Bible--all of it. See my video series on the Case for an Evil God and you'll see how much overwhelming evidence there is in the Bible itself that proves God isn't just evil, but the MOST evil being imaginable.
Almost everyone denies the power/existence of the Holy Spirit in there life, but denying the Holy Spirit is not the unforgivable sin at all !!! the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit....According to the bible this blasphemy has to do with someone witnessing Jesus Christ performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. So an atheist can't even commit this sin because he/she doesn't even think satan or the Holy Spirit exist!!!
Really well thought out response to the blasphemy challenge. I wish all the fundies would see this one, but of course they would find all kinds of excuses for the evilness of this monstrous god.
In case you haven't already discovered, I've made a whole video series that greatly expands on many of the concepts mentioned in this video. I suspect you'd enjoy them.
I'm an atheist, but that's irrelevant as far as the biblical evidence is concerned. I maintain that IF the events in the Bible are literally true, then God is evil.
I've checked 13 different biblical translations, including the KJV, for my evidence (see my other videos for more detailed evidence directly from the Bible).
No, I would worship neither God nor Satan because I would never worship evil beings (plus worshippers are sycophants and worshippees are megalomaniacs...both vile).
well the reson why i worship satan is cus theirs no evidence thats he did evil shit tht god did and i dont believe god exsist cus the devil is a pre christ deity one of his ancient names is set im not converting u or anything im jus explainng my beliefs. i'll check out ur other videos very intresting
You are the man derek, the dogs fucking bollocks (oh, thats a compliment in england, don't know about u.s.) and I also deny the holy spirit. Take care and peace.
blaspheming against the Holy Spirit means that someone has attributed the work of the Holy Spirit(miracles, healing, prophesying) to the work of the Satan.
and since you don't believe in the Holy Spirit or Satan, it is impossible for you to blasphemy against the H.S..
Look up the definition. Blasphemy is a "contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity." And believe me, I'm contemptuous of evil. Belief is NOT required to blaspheme.
So according to your logic, one must believe in the Holy Spirit in order to blaspheme against it and thus never be forgiven. But if you don't believe, then you can't blaspheme and thus can never be permanently unforgiven.
Oh yeah, that makes LOTS of sense. ;-)
I'm going to give the definition of blasphemy the benefit of the doubt and assume I'll never be forgiven, thanks.
No thanks. God's behavior is anathema to what I understand as good. If he's willing to make himself known to me and explain to my satisfaction why his actions aren't evil, I'll hear him out. But the evidence is pretty damning, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
you will one day bow down before God, whether you like it our not.
all of your statements are taken out of context and are lies. and who told -you- that God can't kill off a race of people? remember, we are the "clay" and God is the "Artist", whether you like it or not.
but i have a feeling your lies are just a justification for not wanting to be held accountable.
If God exists and he is evil, then of course I will bow down before God--he would force me to, and it's by definition impossible to resist what an all-powerful being forces you to do. There's no shame in that.
Haha...listen to yourself. You claim I've lied and then imply it's fine for God to kill off a race of people. Genocide IS evil...but fundies have a hard time understanding morality.
Oh, and your "feeling" is wrong. I'd have to believe in God for that to be true.
if God decides to kill off a "cancer",(Genocide), then that is fine with me. you don't seem to get the point that "evil" is when you go against God. God is the "surgeon" for this planet, not -you-.
and who told you that God "killing" someone was wrong?
-you- and -i- are sinners, but if you decide to reject God, then you are wicked. you will bow down, because of His glory.
If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, and he created us, and we are all born into sin, then we are sinners because God deliberately created us to be so...for otherwise he would have created us differently.
It's the "all-powerful" aspect of God that causes the problems for any defense of God's behavior.
Deliberately causing profound suffering to no purpose is behavior anyone person recognizes as evil, no matter who does it--God included.
True "free will" does not exist. We have limits placed on us already in the form of predispositions and biological restrictions. And belief is NOT a choice (try to believe in Santa Claus and you'll see why). How could I possibly "choose" to love God when I don't believe he exists? And since when can anyone "choose" whom to love? Love is NOT a choice.
I was once a Christian so I know where you're coming from. But I grew up, like a kid grows up from believing in Santa.
Oh, and since when does free will require suffering? There are people who have not suffered; do they lack free will more than other people?
If the price of free will is a world with rape, torture and other horrors, what good is it? Better to have less free will so we CAN'T commit such acts but still have the freedom to make less horrible choices. Who wouldn't trade this world for that in a heartbeat?
So if we were suddenly made incapable of even thinking of committing rape, we would suddenly become robots? Don't be ridiculous.
Go murder your family. What, you'd never even think of doing such a heinous thing? The very idea makes you sick? Then you don't have true free will, do you?
yes, if we were made to never commit a sin, or choose to commit a sin, then we would never be able to choose "righteousness".
when you are with your loved one, would you rather them be made to love you automatically, or love you based on their free-will? i hope it would be the latter.
and to be honest, bad thoughts do go thru my mind. like unjustified anger at someone... or lusting after women... ect.... but i know it means more to God for us to obey Him by our own choice.
I never said anything about never being able to commit any sins. I specified the truly horrible crimes of rape, murder, child abuse, etc. There is NO rational reason why a good God would permit this. One could still tell minor lies, gossip, lust, etc. without causing harm to innocents.
I would NEVER torture a loved one for not loving me back. Only a disturbed being would do such a thing. Love can't be coerced nor chosen. Neither can belief. Yet God DEMANDS both, or he will torture you.
Well, I'm done arguing. It's just that The Day of Judgement is at hand, and I'd hate to see you standing on the wrong side when all the dead wood is finally trimmed off the Tree of Life.
Of course, when you discover the God you've worshipped all this time is actually the greatest force of evil in the universe, you're going to feel a bit like those Germans who were forced to view a concentration camp after WWII and only then realized that the leader they'd followed and respected was a monster.
Many different ways to interpret the Bible, my friend, and what I'm telling you is having a satisfying and meaningful relationship with God is infinitely easier than you think. Instead of megalomania and abuse, imagine more, if you will, a very close friend who, at any given moment, is always willing to open a can of unstoppable whoop-ass as a means of protecting you and me.
When the Bible can be so easily interpreted to show God as the most good creature in the universe as well as the most evil...it gives you an idea how useful the Bible really is for teaching anything useful.
If God actually protected Christians, why do they statistically suffer JUST as much misfortune as non-Christians? With "friends" like him, who needs enemies?
I'm sorry, but you're not making a very compelling case for your claims.
Cause and effect--everyone gets what they deserve. Keep your side of the street clean and show a little respect and gratitude, and you've got it made. It's that simple.
Except that what you're saying is NOT what it says in the Bible. Instead, it states that you MUST worship God and Jesus and beg for salvation for sins God made sure you were born with. If you don't do this, God will torture you for all eternity. Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but that is the essential message.
It's not about respect and gratitude; it's about megalomania and abuse.
Showing gratitude and respect has nothing to do with there being "strings attached." It's just basic human decency, something which your false pride prevents you from expressing. And, to prove just how stubborn and proud you truly are, I'm sure you'll argue this point as well, even though its logic is flawless.
Your logic has a major flaw: you assume God is worthy of gratitude and respect simply because (you believe) he gave us life. Well, would a father who committed torture, child abuse, and murder, who ordered slavery and rape, and who demanded to be worshipped by his children be worthy of gratitude and respect? Of course not. He would deserve our disgust and scorn.
I am really grateful to you for your video and I agree with 100% . The God of the Bible is evil. He has killed millions of people. He does not deserve any gratitude nor any respect. He can suck my balls. Thank you so much for your video.
You're making this way too complicated. Something amazing and wonderful--life--was given to you freely. If you can't show some respect for that gift, then it can and will be taken away. Personally, I think you, like all atheists, are proud and stubborn in the extreme and no doubt enjoy the sense of power and importance denouncing God in pubic gives you. It's a cheap and transperant way to compensate for lack of self-esteem. I'm done here, however. You've made your bed.
Let me make one thing perfectly clear: atheism has NOTHING to do with pride or stubbornness. It is simply the lack of belief in a religion. Are you "proud and stubborn" because you don't believe in Allah, Vishnu, Zeus or Cthulhu? Of course not. Neither are we.
The public denouncement of God has nothing to do with empowerment...it's about proving the strength of our convictions and drawing attention to the inanities of theism.
Again, a gift with strings attached is no gift at all.
If someone is willing to torture you for all eternity because you won't return that love, then that's not love at all. That's the evil, vindictive and perverse behavior of a psychopath. Real love doesn't come with conditions attached...and ESPECIALLY does not include torture if it's not reciprocated. Any sane, intelligent person knows this to be true.
You're dead wrong. All it takes is a little respect--giving credit where credit's due. If you're too proud and self-important for that very modest gesture, then I would say that the gift of life appears to have been wasted on you.
Really? I should have respect for someone who either condoned or committed genocide, slavery, rape, child abuse, torture and lying? I'm not particularly proud or self-important...but I do have SOME standards!
And doesn't it seem odd that a supposedly all-knowing god would not know that his "gift" would be wasted on me?
That's yet one more thing that does make it difficult to believe the God of the Bible actually exists.
No. According to the Bible, you can only avoid being tortured for all eternity if you worship God and Jesus and beg for forgiveness for having been created imperfectly in the first place. That's a hell of a lot more than "a little respect."
God gave you the most precious gift of all--the gift of life--and gave it to you freely. To then turn around and publicly spit in His face is not only unthinkable but unforgiveable as well. Thus, for you my friend, the die is cast--there's no turning back now.
Think of it this way: if the most evil person you can imagine gave you a gift with all sorts of strings attached, including the requirement that you worship that person or he will have you tortured for all eternity...would you appreciate the gift?
well god did not lie to Abraham it was a test of faith and i do not think that is murder if Isac was still alive at the end of the story and it wasnt child abuse....Abraham diddnt touch isac
Well, let's see...God told Abraham to murder his son, thus strongly implying he wanted Abraham to go through with it. That's "a false statement deliberately presented as being true"...which is the very definition of a lie.
And while it's true Abraham didn't actually go through with the murder...God still ordered him to do that evil act. Who wouldn't consider that evil?
Finally, do you really think that a father preparing to slash his son to death ISN'T child abuse? Come on now....
To say that there is NO evidence based upon history, is to call oneself a "Scientific retard" Because science is always connected to discovery. In time we will know the meaning of this energy that is real.
The Bible makes the mistake of people encountering this energy and "Creating there own personal opinion of this person/energy based upon there culture".
That is why we have so many religions and I have seen the destruction they have brought before the world.
Because these cultures have manipulated there own personal beliefs and have connected it to this energy without the truth of what it stands for. Thus they assume they are correct in killing innocent people and then call it God's will. This is the perversion of men as it connects to there personal encounter with God. Thus it reveals God as a killer, but this energy is nothing of the sort.
Because of culture, the revelation of what is, has been corrupted before opinion.
So we see that men are corrupt and they then speak of this person called God. Thus I agree with you, that the God of the Bible has been completely misrepresented throughout history.
If science does not discover this energy in our generation, perhaps we will know in time. Because I already know, but knowledge should be widespread. Without knowledge, the assumption of doubt always comes in. If I did not know what I know today, I would agree with every Athiest no matter what.
There is nothing wrong with saying that there is NO scientific evidence for the existence of the divine. The Bible, Koran, etc. are not evidence, personal experience is not evidence, and the existence of yet unexplained phenomena is not evidence. After all, there was a time when lightning was considered proof of divine action...but science has since discovered a completely naturalistic explanation for it. Same with disease, near death experiences, astronomical phenomena, etc.
You simply are not able to comprehend... so sad, I believe you just like to seem important in the flow of life, no one really cares, simply point out your weaknesses and inabilities.
Those that deny should consider the following quote, for purposes that surpass religion.
"One's perceived intelligence often blinds them from their ignorance"
So in other words, you're unable to come up with a successful counterargument to my claims and thus are resorting to unsubstantiated ad-hominems, right? Why didn't you just say so?
I respect your point of view. Although it is not true, as I have seen too many forms of evidence in my own personal life. Because you have lacked evidence as not to see, I understand why you don't believe at all. It's ok, you just don't have evidence, I do.
If I didn't have evidence, perhaps I would believe and agree with you. But because I have alot of evidence to back up my belief, it has no longer become a belief but rather a lifestyle of knowledge that is hidden from your eyes.
Fair enough SGS. I have indeed received no personal, supportive evidence of a good God (nor any god, for that matter).
But regardless of our respective positions, how do you justify calling a god that condones or commits evil acts--murder, rape, slavery, child abuse, torture, etc.--good? Do you deny those acts are evil? Do you deny God can do anything about them? Or do you deny that he exists? It seems to me a Christian MUST be able to answer that or be in denial.
Keep in mind, those that spoke of this God, thought at the time the world was flat. They didn't know how to reveal him or God into words and understand his ability as people can today. But without evidence, how can this being exist? In your own words, I will agree with you, because there can be no God, unless Energy and Matter exists within his person.
I completely agree with you in every way. But we must also perceive the mindset of ANCIENT Civilization before God if there is a God. If the after life is true, what if his name wasn't even God and to say that God is a he? Perhaps he is not a he, but rather another form or person without a gender at all. In my experience through personal evidence, when I communicate with this person, there is a heat that comes over my entire person, thus changing the atmosphere, also the temperature.
I wish I could go under an evaluation before science, I would love to teach them something new. But I do believe the time will come, when science will begin to realize there is knowledge involved, not just some silly belief system. In regards to the "Bible" I do believe in what you are saying. I myself have read the Bible over 50 times and have read every form of major historical work at least once.
I wish your claims could be evaluated scientifically, SGS. However, not even a SINGLE religious claim that has been subjected to rigorous scientific scrutiny has turned out to be anything more than a hoax, a misperception, or to have a naturalistic explanation. That's a pretty bad record for religion.
But if you don't believe that every word of the Bible is true, as do fundamentalist Christians, then this video isn't really directed at you (since you can simply deny some of its claims).
The scriptures as many call it are full of flaws. Every book in the world is full of flaws, even science is full of flaws. We go from one theory to another. This proves that we as people, are imperfect trying to discover what is real and what is not. This is our nature. We aim at perfection, but our lives are not perfect. That is why those from Ancient civilization who tried to interpret God are being judged by everyone today. They were uneducated to the time that we are living in.
So because of there present day mentality, we can finally discover that the time factor plays an important role before humanity. The greatest mistake that people make is that they follow History above science, they follow history above God or this energy-source to all things. Where is the facts or evidence? But I am a rare breed, one of few who has discovered this riddle through personal experience. That is why my challenge is clear before science, as I can prove through this, something is here
The heat that crowds my face, that engulfs my person while I pray, while I communicate to this person called God, does not appear will I talk alongside you or any other person. There is more evidence than just that. But our present day preachers have followed history as to speak an ancient language through the time of there age, rather than the balance that could bring this curious feat to an end. My aim is to kill curiousity, through the proof of real evalution.
Well, that experience you talk about--the sensations while "communicating" with God--are pretty much the same no matter which god(s) one worships. One can even get it from non-religious experiences. That is indicative of a psychological experience, not a religious one.
Well, if you can prove your claims, you should seek out a university or other research group that studies the paranormal. But the odds that you are the ONLY one out of the many thousands who have tried...well, I won't hold my breath. Still, by all means, give it a shot.
Thanks for all your comments. I do respect your beliefs and concur with you to the effect of modern day Christianity. Any educated person can agree. Because almost every book that was written thousands of years ago has flaws. For this reason, we are must more educated than even the greatest scholars who walked the face of the earth thousands of years ago.
Scientific insight will come soon enough as it connects to the mystery of this energy, which I believe to be God.
No this experience is far greater and has caused some of my own friends who do not believe in God to believe that something is around me, that they themselves cannot explain through science. But perhaps someone who is more educated can evaluate the truth that comes before me. It is no sensation of psychology, because it has the power to heal, to produce miracles without rational thinking. How does this occur? I have seen too many moments in my own life that thousands have seen through me.
If I told a true and dramatic event that occured within my own life, would you believe me? A close relative had there car stolen, I then prayed and asked where it would be. I had a dream, immediately knew where it was.
Through this instruction, I gave to my relative, they found the car. To there astonishment, they could not understand how I knew where it was, when it was documented I had nothing to do with the car theft.
Although this sounds like a story made up or put together to manipulate the purpose of drawing out faith before evidence, the story is true and did in fact happen. But I am not spooky, nor do I believe in everything. All that I know, is that something else is behind everything, that I have witnessed through personal experience. I wish Science would not resist the challenge of my personal convictions. I believe as they become open to this possibility, it may introduce a new understanding of truth
I once saw David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear with my own eyes. But do I believe he actually made it disappear? Of course not.
Throughout history people have used deception to support false claims. I'm not saying you're lying or deceived or just plain lucky...but the odds are in favor of one of those.
As a man of science, I cannot accept extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence. That limitation is what makes science such a powerful tool.
The Statue of Liberty can be explained by any magician. What I am talking about cannot be explained yet and needs further investigation of where this energy and heat comes from when I pray. This is not a emotion, because those around myself can feel this presence and they are like yourself, Athiests!
For the sake of science, can we call it another title rather than God? Can we challenge our personal convictions of discovery as to open our belief system to a new world of chance?
To be an Athiest is to be ignorant, because scientific possibility is unlimited!
To be a believer in God with no proof is to be childish as to confess the God of the Bible and only that.
So between the 2, for the sake of education we need to evaluate further study before this, instead of ignoring it.
This will create balance in the community Any time religion got in the way, someone's political agenda got in the way, EMOTION always caused the mind to loose its luster before the focus of its subject.
If we could have science and those that have experienced what some call the Divine, we should bring them together instead of confessing our opinions before evidence.
So if evidence is here, we must study it further and although VERY HARD to find, I know that there is evidence.
Actually, to be a "strong atheist" requires faith (that God does not exist). A "weak atheist" (or an "agnostic atheist"--Google that) is the proper scientific position, since it assumes the non-existence of God (based on the lack of evidence), but accepts that if sufficient evidence were discovered that one's position would necessarily change.
I am not pushing you to believe in any God. I could care-less if you change your mind as I respect your beliefs. Yes there could be a natural side to these types of manifestations. But in my personal experience, the things we call spiritual are just as natural through revealed manifestation.
We can question or challenge all day. We need facts, we need to learn more. When we block out the possibility that there is no God or life force, we eliminate the potential discovery of its reality.
As I have stated before, I agree with you in regards to the Bible. Some of its claims are true, as recorded by even secular historical books, while other claims sound ridiculous without the edge of scientific reason.
But I do believe there is a medium field that could bring theory to change. But when science does discover the meaning of this heat, presence or smell that comes when those closest to God pray, perhaps they will say it is another thing or document it as another name.
In my personal experience, I have seen God, this energy-force and know what it looks like. Before you call me crazy, I would rather have an open thought of investigation. This energy-force carries a Golden transparent light throughout its person. But it looks nothing like us, it looks like an energy field. So what did I see? Science explain?
These claims require investigation. I wish science could document this claim before some type of reality television show or educational study. I want people to understand that I have no personal beliefs, I just know what many do not know.
We look at EINSTEIN and can say, He knew what many did not know. So we realize although rare, these types of people still walk the earth and yes I am no Einstein, but have experienced what many only believe in.
Assuming you did indeed experience these phenomena, you must realize that there COULD be naturalistic explanations for all of them, right? There are naturalistic causes that can cause one to sense smells that aren't there or feel changes in temperature that aren't real. I'm not insisting that is the cause of your experiences, but history has shown such experiences are likely to have a naturalistic explanation.
Again...claims are not evidence without being subject to scientific scrutiny. I could claim that I'm the second coming of Christ, but even you would insist on some supportive evidence before you would believe me, right? And even that evidence would have to be examined very closely to rule out fraud or alternate explanation, right? Your claim cannot be treated any differently.
If you agree the scriptures are full of flaws, then I don't think there's anything further to discuss in regards to this video. As I said, the video is geared toward fundamentalist Christians, which you evidently are not.
Yes, science makes plenty of mistakes--it's part of the process. But it is by far the best system of knowledge we have because it's designed to detect errors and self-correct.
Well unless you have experienced this Good god you cannot make any type of judgement upon him. In this respect, its like saying you hated a movie that you never saw. You are making assumptions in regards to history, rather than your own personal experience.
The truth of the matter is, if there is a God that I can prove. You would rather walk away, then understand what has deceived your thinking towards this person. Because history is not always accurate, neither is scientific theory.
Even Josephus(Yosef Ben Matityahu) talked about Jesus who was a 1st-century Jewish historian and apologist. He was famous during the Roman empire, after the Roman's destroyed Jerasalem during 70 A.D. but he came afterwards and spoke that there was a Jesus and his name was well-known with documented miracles, healing's that followed this particular person. But even History says, that not everything written within the Bible is true.
To a "Jewish Mindset" during the times of old, thousands of years ago, a coming of the LORD meant that a foreign army was coming into the land, not that Christ would physically appear as many are taught today. So we see, history is full of symbols, riddles and dark sayings. But why would this even be adopted? Is the Bible a symbol book?
Many of these writings were expressed this way as to protect the Israelites from the Roman empire and the Jews of that time, because of persecution.
It is usually the case, 99% of the time, that people that go to the extreme you have gone to, to try and disprove something you do not understand, denotes or indicates a phycosis!
Really, MadJokker? Can you refute ANY of the claims I make in the video? I believe I was quite diligent in providing objective reasoning behind my claims. That's the antithesis of psychosis.
I didn't find a need to watch your video all the way through. It was immediately obvious what your problem is. You need to get some psychologicsl assistance, not to deal with your belief system, but to help you more clearly understand what is actually claimed, stated, etc in a subject you challenge the credibility of.
Then, maybe you can be clearly objective rationally, without your bias and prejudice, then you will be better equipped to make videos with an intelligible premise.
Ah, I thought so, MadJokker. You made judgements without even listening to the arguments. Nice.
Rather than throw around ad-hominems (although it is amusing that you would consider a logical argument a psychological problem), why don't you address the questions?
In summary, if you agree that the behaviors I listed are evil, and you agree that the Bible states that God committed these acts, then is it not entirely rational to conclude that God is evil (or weak or simply non-existent)?
I do not accept the belief in god. But I do understand the words of the bible, its premise and all of what you seem to have no understanding at all. Your opinion is called a "prejudiced conclusion".
From your message, it sounds like you are against Christianity, not God. You have no evidence of God, because of this you cannot prove he is real. From a Scientific point of view, God can be revealed as Energy or the LIFE-force of all things. As we know it, Energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. This does not mean that God is the God of the Bible. Because the Bible does have many flaws, I agree with your response. But do not agree that another force, energy or being surrounds us.
Yes, my point is against "the God of the Bible as interpreted by fundamentalist Christians who believe every word of the Bible is true"...which is exactly why I stated that right at the beginning of the video.
Belief in any other gods may not be scientific either, but at least they're usually not as easy to disprove as the aforementioned God.
I believe in God. Not because Christians tell me too. There is too much scientific evidence that proves it is possible. In my personal opinion, I concur with you as it involves Main-stream Christianity or religion for that reason. Many Christians are living from a Historical perspective, without the balance of science. This is dangerous, because it lacks truth. But if Science could put a title on what we call God today, I believe they would say, "Energy". Energy cannot be created, nor destroyed.
Sure, energy cannot be created nor destroyed...but that hardly constitutes any evidence for the existence of God.
Every so-called claim for his existence that I'm aware of has a plausible naturalistic explanation that does not require resorting to the supernatural. Belief in any god is a matter of faith, not science. But when faith can lead to belief in some 4000 different religions, it's hardly reliable.
Even if you do not believe, it is still good to talk about subjects that conclude evidence, education and modern society.
In my personal experience, I can actually prove that there is a physical form of matter upon my face when I pray. We call it the Anointing. It is a thick OIL that appears, it also carries a fragrance and can change the temperature in the room, thus effecting a physical atmosphere. Although this sounds unusual, I can prove it before Science. Can Science explain this?
If this matter is generated from prayer and not from any other form of communication, how can we then interpret this from a scientific point of view?
If I specifically direct my requests to God and then a physical heat, oil and matter appears as to prove something is there. What force, energy or substance is this?
I am curious if science has any documented cases that confirm my question.
For the evidence you are claiming to be scientific, SGS, it would need to be reproducible. For your theory behind your experience to be scientific, it would need to be testable in some manner. So no, science cannot explain your experience...because your experience is not scientific.
You may have experienced an unknown natural phenomena, you could be the victim of a hoax, or you could be lying--any of which is FAR more likely than a supernatural explanation.
But the Bible is flawed. The Apostle Paul's teachings went against Christ's teaching's and yet the Old Testament went against the New testament. I do not follow the Bible, because if God is true and there is no wrong in him, that means he will not make mistakes.
I follow my personal belief in God that is balanced within the confines of science.
Others follow a series of contradictions that are found within 66 books of times past
4000 Religions is alot. I'm glad I don't follow Religion. When you know God, you the understand him. Am I crazy because I can see God and you cannot? Am I out of order that I can physically prove his presence and you cannot?
SGS, that argument is used by virtually EVERY religious person on Earth. And since we know that nearly all of the thousands of religions out there are mutually exclusive, and thus at the very most only a few (if any) can logically be true, that argument is obviously meaningless.
Science is needed within the church. There is too much ignorance in today's society. Churches will follow men that sacrificed there sons to God, just as Abraham did and who believed at that time the world was flat.
The Greatest deception in the Church today and Main-stream religion is that they follow Ancient books that are not up to date with constant contradictions. When if there is a GOD, they should follow him or it. If there is a God, in which I do believe. My respect is great for God.
I agree that most religions are ignorant and need some scientific grounding.
The biggest problem I find about believing in any concept of God (or gods) is that there is no consensus. Barring any hard physical evidence, one belief can be no more valid than any other (although some can be less valid, such as fundamentalist Christianity).
Oh, and the 4000+ religions I'm mentioning are only the ones distinctly codified enough to be listed. When you factor in all religious beliefs--yours included--the number climbs into the untold thousands, perhaps millions. They can't all be right...so by what reasoning do you conclude your religion must be the correct one and all others are wrong?
God requires belief in him to be based on faith. And belief is not a matter of choice (if you don't believe me, just try to force yourself to believe in Santa Claus, or not believe that cars exist). Thus, if people lack faith that God exists, then it is God's fault for not providing sufficient evidence to them. This logic should be obvious to any rational person.
Yeah, I guess Jesus was evil. He healed the sick, the blind man, the young girl, and cleansed the lepers. I also forgot about the time he beat up some old ladies. And also, he really wanted the prostitute to get stoned, but he changed his mind at the last minute, and let her off.
Hitler was kind to Eva Braun and rewarded his supporters. Did that excuse the fact that he had millions of people murdered? Of course not; we all recognize that Hitler was evil.
Theists believe God created the universe and gave us life. Does that excuse all the horrendous acts of evil I mention in my video? Of course not.
And since Jesus was supposedly God incarnate, by direct extension he was evil too.
Check ALL your Bibles (there are at least ten different translations!). Most of them use the word "evil," not "calamity." Some also use the word "disaster."
But regardless of the word, the meaning is the same: calmity, disaster or evil...who in their right minds would worship a god who deliberately causes misery?
Drmabusa, for someone to serve as a lesson and a warning, something bad must happen to him. That hasn't happened to Richard Dawkins, so how can he serve as a lesson and a warning?
I will confidently bet you any amount of money that the Second Coming never comes. And that there is no consequence for blasphemy.
you deny nothing but yourself. In the chapter mark, he miss understood that what jesus said for it was not a direct quote. Read the bible correctly so you wont be miss lead. You can buy a bible with direct quotes from jesus and when you do you will not see that quote by jesus becuase it was by mark.
:-) You're kidding, right? You question ONE (debatable) piece of biblical evidence for an evil God and ignore the overwhelming rest of them? That's like seeing one house more or less still standing in a town devastated by earthquake...and claiming that's proof earthquakes don't occur.
God has a family he adopts thru his sons sacrafice to bei with him for all eternity and then he savbes whomever he wants with the blood of his son Ephesians 1:5 God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.
MrSlippin22 2 months ago
@MrSlippin22 Evidently, abusing humans DOES give God great pleasure, for he sure likes to do it a lot...that and the smell of burning animals.
Underlings 2 months ago
Deuteronomy 28:15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: saudaxidil
Deuteronomy 28:21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.
MrSlippin22 2 months ago
Deuteronomy 28:20 "The LORD will send upon you curses, confusion, and rebuke, in all you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken Me.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Proverbs 1:26 So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster overtakes you
MrSlippin22 2 months ago
God Wants credit for doing evil
Zephaniah 1:12 "It will come about at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps, And I will punish the men Who are stagnant in spirit, Who say in their hearts, 'The LORD will not do good or evil!'
Psalm 33:12-15
MrSlippin22 2 months ago
@MrSlippin22 Yeah, God admits he does evil, yet Christians go out of their way to try and explain away his evil as actually being something good. Cognitive dissonance at its finest!
Underlings 2 months ago
@MrYugi15 Do you blame children for the crimes of the parents? That is ridiculous and unjust (and it's something God does--which is yet more evidence he is evil). Each person is responsible for his OWN behavior. I cannot control what my ancestors did, and I will not accept any blame for their behavior. You can judge me for MY behavior, but not theirs.
God is not just...unless you think his ordering people to hack to death innocent babies is just.
Underlings 3 months ago
@MrYugi Who are "your people"? Are you black? If so, then you should know that EVERY government has been guilty of atrocities...including all the governments of Africa. Are you aware that the slave trade was strong in Africa even BEFORE Europeans joined in? The entire world was much less fair, much more racist, and much more cruel than it is today. Society LEARNS, fortunately, which is why even though God condones slavery, we consider it immoral and abhorrent today.
What do you think I worship?
Underlings 3 months ago
There is something you can do about starving....get out there and feed them. Be God's hands and feet to the poor and homeless. We don't have to go to Africa.....we have those people in our own backyard in the USA!
GWNow 4 months ago
@GWNow If you check out my #6 video (/watch?v=lCfVd5QvdGY), you'll see that I address this. Even if EVERYONE mobilized today, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to save the 30,000 children who will die of disease and starvation today. It's TOO LATE for them. The ONLY hope they have is God. But all he does is sit there and watch them cry in agony...and then send them to hell to be tortured for eternity if they're not Christians.
WE are not perfect, but God is far, far worse. Just read the Bible to see.
Underlings 4 months ago
I know this video is older but I'm wondering if your thoughts are still the same? You say God is evil and gives no way...but He does give hope and thats through Jesus....The people in Noahs day had a chance to repent......Abraham was a type and shadow so God knew what He was doing...were did the murder come from with Abraham...and yes hell is real because people choose not to change their behavior....the burnt sacrifice was from the beginning in the shedding of blood to clothe Adam and Eve...
GWNow 4 months ago
@GWNow This video IS very old. I've since greatly expanded on the evidence and created a detailed series using the Bible itself to prove God is evil. Here's the first video:
/watch?v=RT8WATQ6vWY
If God is all-knowing, then he KNEW that people in Noah's time would turn wicked. That he STILL created humanity unchanged, knowing he would drown them all, is evidence he WANTED to drown even innocent children and animals. View the videos to see the whole case against God.
Underlings 4 months ago
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I WANT EVERYONE ON EARTH to KNOW the TRUTH about the Unforgivable Sin, which is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: It's PERFECTLY FALSE.
I'll PROVE IT.
In John 20:21, 23, our dearly beloved Jesus Christ our savior CLEARLY says this:
If you FORGIVE the sins of ANY, they are FORGIVEN; if you RETAIN the sins of ANY, they are RETAINED.
If all of you religious hypocrites completely deny, LOOK IT UP YOUR SINFUL SELVES.
I hope to the good lord with all my heart that this greatly helps.
God Bless
MagicMaker7 6 months ago
And the stupidity continues, someone needs a reality check, you honestly have no idea what you are doing. This video has nothing to do with blasphemy. The entire Blasphemy Challenge is as pointless as this video. You people should hold hands and sing a simple song cause obviously there is no depth to any of you. The whole operation is childish and a complete waste of youtube space. This is pathetic!
chica0616 7 months ago
@chica0616 Yes, it IS clear you have no idea what we are doing--you've obviously missed all of the points:
1. This makes it clear to Christians who claim we atheists actually believe in God that we're not bluffing.
2. It shows we have the courage of our convictions.
3. It's a way of announcing that we are many.
4. It reveals what we think of Christian dogma.
So yeah, there IS depth to this challenge and it certainly serves a purpose. Only the shallow wouldn't realize this....
Underlings 7 months ago 2
I love that you don't just participate in the Blasphemy Challenge; you explain it.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction Thanks. I figured it bears explanation.
Underlings 1 year ago
Sorry, I'm just getting caught up on your comments back to me.
Yes, Prof's Job series is about the best I've seen on YT. ProfMTH is a brilliant researcher and he has exposed so many previously unknown errors and problems in scripture, just as you have.
The reason I've made such an issue out of the story of Job is bcuz it has had such a powerful effect on me. What he did to Job, and what he said to him in the aftermath, can only be described as evil beyond evil.
Talk to you later D.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux Indeed.
Check out my latest video. It's already getting swamped with suggestions. Yikes, lots of work in store for me....
Underlings 1 year ago
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enough continual dialogue from this god, to give us a really in-depth insight into his psycho-emotional state. Some ask why is all that so important. I think they're critically important bcuz it tells us in no uncertain terms, just what this character was about. What I'm referring to is the story of Job.
It illustrates just how much god despised man! This story tells us so much about how this OT god really felt about Job, & mankind.
God...a power addicted psycho who was exactly like a man.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux Agreed! And I probably should have mentioned Job in my vids--but there's just SO MUCH one can include! Maybe for an upcoming one....
Perhaps God's attitude toward Job is worse than just despising us...it's total indifference to human suffering just to stroke his own ego. Hate can make people do horrible yet sometimes understandable things. But having no emotional investment yet being able to so casually destroy a person...that requires psychopathy.
Underlings 1 year ago
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Please don't think I'm criticizing u, & your work. You've produced a masterful presentation, & if it doesn't make the theists "think," then they are dead inside.
The story of Job is more than enough for it's own series.
I was just curious if u had spent any time on it & what u thought. The story has a profound effect on me, relating to the evil nature of their god.
Yes, my choice of words were far too light. When a being can kill children & the fetuses in the womb, that says it all.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux Oh, worry not, I didn't take it as criticism (although I welcome it).
There have been good videos done on Job, but I'll likely take a look and see if I can give it a different take. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)
Underlings 1 year ago
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Yes, see, that's the thing. I know you have that ability of presenting it at different angles.
I've watched a good number of the Job vids too & they're all notably good. If you haven't yet, check out ProfMTH's e video series.
Ok my friend, good talking to you. Take care & I'll be looking for your new vids.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux Woops, I should have read ahead before answering your last post!
My next vid should be out tonight. Cheers!
Underlings 1 year ago
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Just one other thing. Getting a grasp of what you were saying about how much worse god's emotional feelings & attitude was towards Job, and humans in general, I noted something that really impresses that on the reader.
After Job asks his question of "why," he may as well had accused god of being downright evil too, it pissed god off so much that he railed against Job for "53" verses from that point on! You'd think god would at least had praised Job for holding out as long as he did!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux ProfMTH did a good video on Job. Have a look: watch?v=3cpK1zcMXWw
Underlings 1 year ago
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I'm just getting back here...thanks, I'll check it out.
Cootabux 1 year ago
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Hello again, D
U know from a good while back I had mentioned to you that the "evil god" aspect of Xianity was my biggest point about the religion. I mean, that says it all. and no one who is honest, has read the entire bible, & in their right mind, would ever deny this fact.
I've always looked for a segment book, or chapter in scripture, that would give us a good insight into "god's" psychology. Most verses are short & only illustrate an evil act. But I found one story that gives us more than
Cootabux 1 year ago
God is not evil, he is just, we are evil.
SavedComputerGeek 1 year ago
@SavedComputerGeek You seriously believe God is not evil? Wow, you REALLY need to read the Bible--all of it. See my video series on the Case for an Evil God and you'll see how much overwhelming evidence there is in the Bible itself that proves God isn't just evil, but the MOST evil being imaginable.
Seriously...just do the research.
Underlings 1 year ago
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Almost everyone denies the power/existence of the Holy Spirit in there life, but denying the Holy Spirit is not the unforgivable sin at all !!! the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit....According to the bible this blasphemy has to do with someone witnessing Jesus Christ performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. So an atheist can't even commit this sin because he/she doesn't even think satan or the Holy Spirit exist!!!
Dwrancho144 1 year ago
brillant... the bible truely is not suit for young people such as kids...
HellbenderAtheist 1 year ago
Really well thought out response to the blasphemy challenge. I wish all the fundies would see this one, but of course they would find all kinds of excuses for the evilness of this monstrous god.
HappyApostate 1 year ago
@HappyApostate Thank you.
In case you haven't already discovered, I've made a whole video series that greatly expands on many of the concepts mentioned in this video. I suspect you'd enjoy them.
Underlings 1 year ago
great vid i agree
fallbread 2 years ago
Isaiah 45:7 is my favorite verse too! =D
Massphyxiate 2 years ago
are you athiest,agnostic or wat
also which type of bible did u use to find out all the evil stuf that god did,king james?
oh one more thing if god exsisted and he was the one from the bible would u worship satan
6demons6rising6 2 years ago
I'm an atheist, but that's irrelevant as far as the biblical evidence is concerned. I maintain that IF the events in the Bible are literally true, then God is evil.
I've checked 13 different biblical translations, including the KJV, for my evidence (see my other videos for more detailed evidence directly from the Bible).
No, I would worship neither God nor Satan because I would never worship evil beings (plus worshippers are sycophants and worshippees are megalomaniacs...both vile).
Underlings 2 years ago
well the reson why i worship satan is cus theirs no evidence thats he did evil shit tht god did and i dont believe god exsist cus the devil is a pre christ deity one of his ancient names is set im not converting u or anything im jus explainng my beliefs. i'll check out ur other videos very intresting
6demons6rising6 2 years ago
Of course, there's no evidence that Satan exists either, nor any other God or gods, for that matter. ;-)
But I'm assuming the Bible is true for the purposes of my argument to prove God is evil.
Enjoy the other vids.
Underlings 2 years ago
You are the man derek, the dogs fucking bollocks (oh, thats a compliment in england, don't know about u.s.) and I also deny the holy spirit. Take care and peace.
DARRBEV 2 years ago
Don't worry; I speak Brit. Thanks!
Underlings 2 years ago
and btw, you aren't committing "Blasphemy" against the Holy Spirit.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
I've denied the existence of the Holy Spirit. That is blasphemy.
Underlings 2 years ago
you don't know what you are talking about.
blaspheming against the Holy Spirit means that someone has attributed the work of the Holy Spirit(miracles, healing, prophesying) to the work of the Satan.
and since you don't believe in the Holy Spirit or Satan, it is impossible for you to blasphemy against the H.S..
sorry, but you just wasted a video.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Look up the definition. Blasphemy is a "contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity." And believe me, I'm contemptuous of evil. Belief is NOT required to blaspheme.
Underlings 2 years ago
that is a general definition of "blaspheming"... we are talking about "blaspheming against the Holy Spirit", according to the Word's definition.
sorry, but you didn't blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
So according to your logic, one must believe in the Holy Spirit in order to blaspheme against it and thus never be forgiven. But if you don't believe, then you can't blaspheme and thus can never be permanently unforgiven.
Oh yeah, that makes LOTS of sense. ;-)
I'm going to give the definition of blasphemy the benefit of the doubt and assume I'll never be forgiven, thanks.
Underlings 2 years ago
yes, one must believe in God to blaspheme.
it was in response to the Pharisee's that rejected Christ and said that Christ's work, or the Holy Spirit's work was the work of Satan.
so cheer up, there is still hope for you... if you want.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
No thanks. God's behavior is anathema to what I understand as good. If he's willing to make himself known to me and explain to my satisfaction why his actions aren't evil, I'll hear him out. But the evidence is pretty damning, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Underlings 2 years ago
you will one day bow down before God, whether you like it our not.
all of your statements are taken out of context and are lies. and who told -you- that God can't kill off a race of people? remember, we are the "clay" and God is the "Artist", whether you like it or not.
but i have a feeling your lies are just a justification for not wanting to be held accountable.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
If God exists and he is evil, then of course I will bow down before God--he would force me to, and it's by definition impossible to resist what an all-powerful being forces you to do. There's no shame in that.
Haha...listen to yourself. You claim I've lied and then imply it's fine for God to kill off a race of people. Genocide IS evil...but fundies have a hard time understanding morality.
Oh, and your "feeling" is wrong. I'd have to believe in God for that to be true.
Underlings 2 years ago
no buddy.
if God decides to kill off a "cancer",(Genocide), then that is fine with me. you don't seem to get the point that "evil" is when you go against God. God is the "surgeon" for this planet, not -you-.
and who told you that God "killing" someone was wrong?
-you- and -i- are sinners, but if you decide to reject God, then you are wicked. you will bow down, because of His glory.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, and he created us, and we are all born into sin, then we are sinners because God deliberately created us to be so...for otherwise he would have created us differently.
It's the "all-powerful" aspect of God that causes the problems for any defense of God's behavior.
Deliberately causing profound suffering to no purpose is behavior anyone person recognizes as evil, no matter who does it--God included.
Underlings 2 years ago
you are leaving out "free-will". God gave us free-will to either choose to love and obey Him or not. and along with free-will comes suffering.
i did a video on "suffering". if you are open-minded, it might serve you well to watch it so you might know where Christians come from.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
True "free will" does not exist. We have limits placed on us already in the form of predispositions and biological restrictions. And belief is NOT a choice (try to believe in Santa Claus and you'll see why). How could I possibly "choose" to love God when I don't believe he exists? And since when can anyone "choose" whom to love? Love is NOT a choice.
I was once a Christian so I know where you're coming from. But I grew up, like a kid grows up from believing in Santa.
Underlings 2 years ago
Oh, and since when does free will require suffering? There are people who have not suffered; do they lack free will more than other people?
If the price of free will is a world with rape, torture and other horrors, what good is it? Better to have less free will so we CAN'T commit such acts but still have the freedom to make less horrible choices. Who wouldn't trade this world for that in a heartbeat?
Underlings 2 years ago
if we didn't have free-will, you would have had the choice to make this video or reject God.
you might want to be a robot, but i don't.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
So if we were suddenly made incapable of even thinking of committing rape, we would suddenly become robots? Don't be ridiculous.
Go murder your family. What, you'd never even think of doing such a heinous thing? The very idea makes you sick? Then you don't have true free will, do you?
Feeling like a robot now?
Absurd.
Underlings 2 years ago
yes, if we were made to never commit a sin, or choose to commit a sin, then we would never be able to choose "righteousness".
when you are with your loved one, would you rather them be made to love you automatically, or love you based on their free-will? i hope it would be the latter.
and to be honest, bad thoughts do go thru my mind. like unjustified anger at someone... or lusting after women... ect.... but i know it means more to God for us to obey Him by our own choice.
peace out.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
I never said anything about never being able to commit any sins. I specified the truly horrible crimes of rape, murder, child abuse, etc. There is NO rational reason why a good God would permit this. One could still tell minor lies, gossip, lust, etc. without causing harm to innocents.
I would NEVER torture a loved one for not loving me back. Only a disturbed being would do such a thing. Love can't be coerced nor chosen. Neither can belief. Yet God DEMANDS both, or he will torture you.
Underlings 2 years ago
I agree with 100% of what you've said. Religion and the God myth is primative, superstitious nonsense.
Blankfrack 2 years ago
I couldn`t agree more with you! Well said! :)
scoppit 2 years ago
God is worse than Hitler
bnbalenda 3 years ago 4
I am touched by Underlings message and I deny God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit
bnbalenda 3 years ago 5
Well, I'm done arguing. It's just that The Day of Judgement is at hand, and I'd hate to see you standing on the wrong side when all the dead wood is finally trimmed off the Tree of Life.
judgementday65 3 years ago
Of course, when you discover the God you've worshipped all this time is actually the greatest force of evil in the universe, you're going to feel a bit like those Germans who were forced to view a concentration camp after WWII and only then realized that the leader they'd followed and respected was a monster.
Underlings 3 years ago
Many different ways to interpret the Bible, my friend, and what I'm telling you is having a satisfying and meaningful relationship with God is infinitely easier than you think. Instead of megalomania and abuse, imagine more, if you will, a very close friend who, at any given moment, is always willing to open a can of unstoppable whoop-ass as a means of protecting you and me.
judgementday65 3 years ago
When the Bible can be so easily interpreted to show God as the most good creature in the universe as well as the most evil...it gives you an idea how useful the Bible really is for teaching anything useful.
If God actually protected Christians, why do they statistically suffer JUST as much misfortune as non-Christians? With "friends" like him, who needs enemies?
I'm sorry, but you're not making a very compelling case for your claims.
Underlings 3 years ago
Cause and effect--everyone gets what they deserve. Keep your side of the street clean and show a little respect and gratitude, and you've got it made. It's that simple.
judgementday65 3 years ago
Except that what you're saying is NOT what it says in the Bible. Instead, it states that you MUST worship God and Jesus and beg for salvation for sins God made sure you were born with. If you don't do this, God will torture you for all eternity. Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but that is the essential message.
It's not about respect and gratitude; it's about megalomania and abuse.
Underlings 3 years ago
Showing gratitude and respect has nothing to do with there being "strings attached." It's just basic human decency, something which your false pride prevents you from expressing. And, to prove just how stubborn and proud you truly are, I'm sure you'll argue this point as well, even though its logic is flawless.
judgementday65 3 years ago
Your logic has a major flaw: you assume God is worthy of gratitude and respect simply because (you believe) he gave us life. Well, would a father who committed torture, child abuse, and murder, who ordered slavery and rape, and who demanded to be worshipped by his children be worthy of gratitude and respect? Of course not. He would deserve our disgust and scorn.
Now how is the God of the Bible any different?
Underlings 3 years ago 2
I am really grateful to you for your video and I agree with 100% . The God of the Bible is evil. He has killed millions of people. He does not deserve any gratitude nor any respect. He can suck my balls. Thank you so much for your video.
bnbalenda 3 years ago 2
You're most welcome. :)
Underlings 3 years ago
You're making this way too complicated. Something amazing and wonderful--life--was given to you freely. If you can't show some respect for that gift, then it can and will be taken away. Personally, I think you, like all atheists, are proud and stubborn in the extreme and no doubt enjoy the sense of power and importance denouncing God in pubic gives you. It's a cheap and transperant way to compensate for lack of self-esteem. I'm done here, however. You've made your bed.
judgementday65 3 years ago
Let me make one thing perfectly clear: atheism has NOTHING to do with pride or stubbornness. It is simply the lack of belief in a religion. Are you "proud and stubborn" because you don't believe in Allah, Vishnu, Zeus or Cthulhu? Of course not. Neither are we.
The public denouncement of God has nothing to do with empowerment...it's about proving the strength of our convictions and drawing attention to the inanities of theism.
Again, a gift with strings attached is no gift at all.
Underlings 3 years ago
God's vengeance is swift and merciless, but his love and blessings are limitless as well. It's your decision as to which of these you'll receive.
judgementday65 3 years ago
If someone is willing to torture you for all eternity because you won't return that love, then that's not love at all. That's the evil, vindictive and perverse behavior of a psychopath. Real love doesn't come with conditions attached...and ESPECIALLY does not include torture if it's not reciprocated. Any sane, intelligent person knows this to be true.
Underlings 3 years ago
You're dead wrong. All it takes is a little respect--giving credit where credit's due. If you're too proud and self-important for that very modest gesture, then I would say that the gift of life appears to have been wasted on you.
judgementday65 3 years ago
Really? I should have respect for someone who either condoned or committed genocide, slavery, rape, child abuse, torture and lying? I'm not particularly proud or self-important...but I do have SOME standards!
And doesn't it seem odd that a supposedly all-knowing god would not know that his "gift" would be wasted on me?
That's yet one more thing that does make it difficult to believe the God of the Bible actually exists.
Underlings 3 years ago
The only strings attached are that you show a little respect--a modest request if ever there was one.
judgementday65 3 years ago
No. According to the Bible, you can only avoid being tortured for all eternity if you worship God and Jesus and beg for forgiveness for having been created imperfectly in the first place. That's a hell of a lot more than "a little respect."
Underlings 3 years ago
God gave you the most precious gift of all--the gift of life--and gave it to you freely. To then turn around and publicly spit in His face is not only unthinkable but unforgiveable as well. Thus, for you my friend, the die is cast--there's no turning back now.
judgementday65 3 years ago
Glad to hear that, judgementday65. ;-)
Think of it this way: if the most evil person you can imagine gave you a gift with all sorts of strings attached, including the requirement that you worship that person or he will have you tortured for all eternity...would you appreciate the gift?
I didn't think so.
Underlings 3 years ago
God the Psycho
bnbalenda 3 years ago 2
well god did not lie to Abraham it was a test of faith and i do not think that is murder if Isac was still alive at the end of the story and it wasnt child abuse....Abraham diddnt touch isac
danielpadgett 3 years ago
Well, let's see...God told Abraham to murder his son, thus strongly implying he wanted Abraham to go through with it. That's "a false statement deliberately presented as being true"...which is the very definition of a lie.
And while it's true Abraham didn't actually go through with the murder...God still ordered him to do that evil act. Who wouldn't consider that evil?
Finally, do you really think that a father preparing to slash his son to death ISN'T child abuse? Come on now....
Underlings 3 years ago
To say that there is NO evidence based upon history, is to call oneself a "Scientific retard" Because science is always connected to discovery. In time we will know the meaning of this energy that is real.
The Bible makes the mistake of people encountering this energy and "Creating there own personal opinion of this person/energy based upon there culture".
That is why we have so many religions and I have seen the destruction they have brought before the world.
Very sad
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Because these cultures have manipulated there own personal beliefs and have connected it to this energy without the truth of what it stands for. Thus they assume they are correct in killing innocent people and then call it God's will. This is the perversion of men as it connects to there personal encounter with God. Thus it reveals God as a killer, but this energy is nothing of the sort.
Because of culture, the revelation of what is, has been corrupted before opinion.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
So we see that men are corrupt and they then speak of this person called God. Thus I agree with you, that the God of the Bible has been completely misrepresented throughout history.
If science does not discover this energy in our generation, perhaps we will know in time. Because I already know, but knowledge should be widespread. Without knowledge, the assumption of doubt always comes in. If I did not know what I know today, I would agree with every Athiest no matter what.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
There is nothing wrong with saying that there is NO scientific evidence for the existence of the divine. The Bible, Koran, etc. are not evidence, personal experience is not evidence, and the existence of yet unexplained phenomena is not evidence. After all, there was a time when lightning was considered proof of divine action...but science has since discovered a completely naturalistic explanation for it. Same with disease, near death experiences, astronomical phenomena, etc.
Underlings 3 years ago
"One's perceived intelligence often blinds them from their ignorance"
---rf
Something for all to ponder!
MadJokker 3 years ago
"Faith without reason is the deepest form of ignorance."
--dm
I can play that game too.
Underlings 3 years ago
You simply are not able to comprehend... so sad, I believe you just like to seem important in the flow of life, no one really cares, simply point out your weaknesses and inabilities.
Those that deny should consider the following quote, for purposes that surpass religion.
"One's perceived intelligence often blinds them from their ignorance"
---jk
MadJokker 3 years ago
So in other words, you're unable to come up with a successful counterargument to my claims and thus are resorting to unsubstantiated ad-hominems, right? Why didn't you just say so?
Underlings 3 years ago
I respect your point of view. Although it is not true, as I have seen too many forms of evidence in my own personal life. Because you have lacked evidence as not to see, I understand why you don't believe at all. It's ok, you just don't have evidence, I do.
If I didn't have evidence, perhaps I would believe and agree with you. But because I have alot of evidence to back up my belief, it has no longer become a belief but rather a lifestyle of knowledge that is hidden from your eyes.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Fair enough SGS. I have indeed received no personal, supportive evidence of a good God (nor any god, for that matter).
But regardless of our respective positions, how do you justify calling a god that condones or commits evil acts--murder, rape, slavery, child abuse, torture, etc.--good? Do you deny those acts are evil? Do you deny God can do anything about them? Or do you deny that he exists? It seems to me a Christian MUST be able to answer that or be in denial.
Underlings 3 years ago
Keep in mind, those that spoke of this God, thought at the time the world was flat. They didn't know how to reveal him or God into words and understand his ability as people can today. But without evidence, how can this being exist? In your own words, I will agree with you, because there can be no God, unless Energy and Matter exists within his person.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
I completely agree with you in every way. But we must also perceive the mindset of ANCIENT Civilization before God if there is a God. If the after life is true, what if his name wasn't even God and to say that God is a he? Perhaps he is not a he, but rather another form or person without a gender at all. In my experience through personal evidence, when I communicate with this person, there is a heat that comes over my entire person, thus changing the atmosphere, also the temperature.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
I wish I could go under an evaluation before science, I would love to teach them something new. But I do believe the time will come, when science will begin to realize there is knowledge involved, not just some silly belief system. In regards to the "Bible" I do believe in what you are saying. I myself have read the Bible over 50 times and have read every form of major historical work at least once.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
I wish your claims could be evaluated scientifically, SGS. However, not even a SINGLE religious claim that has been subjected to rigorous scientific scrutiny has turned out to be anything more than a hoax, a misperception, or to have a naturalistic explanation. That's a pretty bad record for religion.
But if you don't believe that every word of the Bible is true, as do fundamentalist Christians, then this video isn't really directed at you (since you can simply deny some of its claims).
Underlings 3 years ago
The scriptures as many call it are full of flaws. Every book in the world is full of flaws, even science is full of flaws. We go from one theory to another. This proves that we as people, are imperfect trying to discover what is real and what is not. This is our nature. We aim at perfection, but our lives are not perfect. That is why those from Ancient civilization who tried to interpret God are being judged by everyone today. They were uneducated to the time that we are living in.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
So because of there present day mentality, we can finally discover that the time factor plays an important role before humanity. The greatest mistake that people make is that they follow History above science, they follow history above God or this energy-source to all things. Where is the facts or evidence? But I am a rare breed, one of few who has discovered this riddle through personal experience. That is why my challenge is clear before science, as I can prove through this, something is here
SGSProphet 3 years ago
The heat that crowds my face, that engulfs my person while I pray, while I communicate to this person called God, does not appear will I talk alongside you or any other person. There is more evidence than just that. But our present day preachers have followed history as to speak an ancient language through the time of there age, rather than the balance that could bring this curious feat to an end. My aim is to kill curiousity, through the proof of real evalution.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Well, that experience you talk about--the sensations while "communicating" with God--are pretty much the same no matter which god(s) one worships. One can even get it from non-religious experiences. That is indicative of a psychological experience, not a religious one.
Underlings 3 years ago
Well, if you can prove your claims, you should seek out a university or other research group that studies the paranormal. But the odds that you are the ONLY one out of the many thousands who have tried...well, I won't hold my breath. Still, by all means, give it a shot.
Underlings 3 years ago
Thanks for all your comments. I do respect your beliefs and concur with you to the effect of modern day Christianity. Any educated person can agree. Because almost every book that was written thousands of years ago has flaws. For this reason, we are must more educated than even the greatest scholars who walked the face of the earth thousands of years ago.
Scientific insight will come soon enough as it connects to the mystery of this energy, which I believe to be God.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
No this experience is far greater and has caused some of my own friends who do not believe in God to believe that something is around me, that they themselves cannot explain through science. But perhaps someone who is more educated can evaluate the truth that comes before me. It is no sensation of psychology, because it has the power to heal, to produce miracles without rational thinking. How does this occur? I have seen too many moments in my own life that thousands have seen through me.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
If I told a true and dramatic event that occured within my own life, would you believe me? A close relative had there car stolen, I then prayed and asked where it would be. I had a dream, immediately knew where it was.
Through this instruction, I gave to my relative, they found the car. To there astonishment, they could not understand how I knew where it was, when it was documented I had nothing to do with the car theft.
Amazing? It happened.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Although this sounds like a story made up or put together to manipulate the purpose of drawing out faith before evidence, the story is true and did in fact happen. But I am not spooky, nor do I believe in everything. All that I know, is that something else is behind everything, that I have witnessed through personal experience. I wish Science would not resist the challenge of my personal convictions. I believe as they become open to this possibility, it may introduce a new understanding of truth
SGSProphet 3 years ago
I once saw David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear with my own eyes. But do I believe he actually made it disappear? Of course not.
Throughout history people have used deception to support false claims. I'm not saying you're lying or deceived or just plain lucky...but the odds are in favor of one of those.
As a man of science, I cannot accept extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence. That limitation is what makes science such a powerful tool.
Underlings 3 years ago
The Statue of Liberty can be explained by any magician. What I am talking about cannot be explained yet and needs further investigation of where this energy and heat comes from when I pray. This is not a emotion, because those around myself can feel this presence and they are like yourself, Athiests!
Thanks for talking
SGSProphet 3 years ago
In my personal experience as it rings true before experience.
The presence of this energy has the ability to change the smell in the room to a sweet fragrance
The presence of this energy has the ability to change the temperature by degrees
The presence of this energy responds to communication, it is not some random act of appearance or revelation
The presence of this energy seems very smart, because when it does change the atmosphere, it only does so through communication
SGSProphet 3 years ago
For the sake of science, can we call it another title rather than God? Can we challenge our personal convictions of discovery as to open our belief system to a new world of chance?
To be an Athiest is to be ignorant, because scientific possibility is unlimited!
To be a believer in God with no proof is to be childish as to confess the God of the Bible and only that.
So between the 2, for the sake of education we need to evaluate further study before this, instead of ignoring it.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
This will create balance in the community Any time religion got in the way, someone's political agenda got in the way, EMOTION always caused the mind to loose its luster before the focus of its subject.
If we could have science and those that have experienced what some call the Divine, we should bring them together instead of confessing our opinions before evidence.
So if evidence is here, we must study it further and although VERY HARD to find, I know that there is evidence.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Actually, to be a "strong atheist" requires faith (that God does not exist). A "weak atheist" (or an "agnostic atheist"--Google that) is the proper scientific position, since it assumes the non-existence of God (based on the lack of evidence), but accepts that if sufficient evidence were discovered that one's position would necessarily change.
Underlings 3 years ago
I am not pushing you to believe in any God. I could care-less if you change your mind as I respect your beliefs. Yes there could be a natural side to these types of manifestations. But in my personal experience, the things we call spiritual are just as natural through revealed manifestation.
We can question or challenge all day. We need facts, we need to learn more. When we block out the possibility that there is no God or life force, we eliminate the potential discovery of its reality.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
As I have stated before, I agree with you in regards to the Bible. Some of its claims are true, as recorded by even secular historical books, while other claims sound ridiculous without the edge of scientific reason.
But I do believe there is a medium field that could bring theory to change. But when science does discover the meaning of this heat, presence or smell that comes when those closest to God pray, perhaps they will say it is another thing or document it as another name.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
In my personal experience, I have seen God, this energy-force and know what it looks like. Before you call me crazy, I would rather have an open thought of investigation. This energy-force carries a Golden transparent light throughout its person. But it looks nothing like us, it looks like an energy field. So what did I see? Science explain?
SGSProphet 3 years ago
These claims require investigation. I wish science could document this claim before some type of reality television show or educational study. I want people to understand that I have no personal beliefs, I just know what many do not know.
We look at EINSTEIN and can say, He knew what many did not know. So we realize although rare, these types of people still walk the earth and yes I am no Einstein, but have experienced what many only believe in.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Assuming you did indeed experience these phenomena, you must realize that there COULD be naturalistic explanations for all of them, right? There are naturalistic causes that can cause one to sense smells that aren't there or feel changes in temperature that aren't real. I'm not insisting that is the cause of your experiences, but history has shown such experiences are likely to have a naturalistic explanation.
Underlings 3 years ago
Again...claims are not evidence without being subject to scientific scrutiny. I could claim that I'm the second coming of Christ, but even you would insist on some supportive evidence before you would believe me, right? And even that evidence would have to be examined very closely to rule out fraud or alternate explanation, right? Your claim cannot be treated any differently.
Underlings 3 years ago
If you agree the scriptures are full of flaws, then I don't think there's anything further to discuss in regards to this video. As I said, the video is geared toward fundamentalist Christians, which you evidently are not.
Yes, science makes plenty of mistakes--it's part of the process. But it is by far the best system of knowledge we have because it's designed to detect errors and self-correct.
Underlings 3 years ago
Well unless you have experienced this Good god you cannot make any type of judgement upon him. In this respect, its like saying you hated a movie that you never saw. You are making assumptions in regards to history, rather than your own personal experience.
The truth of the matter is, if there is a God that I can prove. You would rather walk away, then understand what has deceived your thinking towards this person. Because history is not always accurate, neither is scientific theory.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Even Josephus(Yosef Ben Matityahu) talked about Jesus who was a 1st-century Jewish historian and apologist. He was famous during the Roman empire, after the Roman's destroyed Jerasalem during 70 A.D. but he came afterwards and spoke that there was a Jesus and his name was well-known with documented miracles, healing's that followed this particular person. But even History says, that not everything written within the Bible is true.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Also for the subject of The Coming of the LORD, as many believe in superstition and believe that Jesus is coming back.
No body to this day, except for some scholars I have talked to, understand the coming of the LORD.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
To a "Jewish Mindset" during the times of old, thousands of years ago, a coming of the LORD meant that a foreign army was coming into the land, not that Christ would physically appear as many are taught today. So we see, history is full of symbols, riddles and dark sayings. But why would this even be adopted? Is the Bible a symbol book?
Many of these writings were expressed this way as to protect the Israelites from the Roman empire and the Jews of that time, because of persecution.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
It is usually the case, 99% of the time, that people that go to the extreme you have gone to, to try and disprove something you do not understand, denotes or indicates a phycosis!
MadJokker 3 years ago
Really, MadJokker? Can you refute ANY of the claims I make in the video? I believe I was quite diligent in providing objective reasoning behind my claims. That's the antithesis of psychosis.
Underlings 3 years ago
I didn't find a need to watch your video all the way through. It was immediately obvious what your problem is. You need to get some psychologicsl assistance, not to deal with your belief system, but to help you more clearly understand what is actually claimed, stated, etc in a subject you challenge the credibility of.
Then, maybe you can be clearly objective rationally, without your bias and prejudice, then you will be better equipped to make videos with an intelligible premise.
MadJokker 3 years ago
Ah, I thought so, MadJokker. You made judgements without even listening to the arguments. Nice.
Rather than throw around ad-hominems (although it is amusing that you would consider a logical argument a psychological problem), why don't you address the questions?
In summary, if you agree that the behaviors I listed are evil, and you agree that the Bible states that God committed these acts, then is it not entirely rational to conclude that God is evil (or weak or simply non-existent)?
Underlings 3 years ago
I do not accept the belief in god. But I do understand the words of the bible, its premise and all of what you seem to have no understanding at all. Your opinion is called a "prejudiced conclusion".
MadJokker 3 years ago
But I did listen to the whole thing. Hmm?
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
And what about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
Yes, it was a forgery written by Russian secret police in the early 1900s. What does that have to do with the topic?
Underlings 3 years ago
From your message, it sounds like you are against Christianity, not God. You have no evidence of God, because of this you cannot prove he is real. From a Scientific point of view, God can be revealed as Energy or the LIFE-force of all things. As we know it, Energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. This does not mean that God is the God of the Bible. Because the Bible does have many flaws, I agree with your response. But do not agree that another force, energy or being surrounds us.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Yes, my point is against "the God of the Bible as interpreted by fundamentalist Christians who believe every word of the Bible is true"...which is exactly why I stated that right at the beginning of the video.
Belief in any other gods may not be scientific either, but at least they're usually not as easy to disprove as the aforementioned God.
Underlings 3 years ago
I believe in God. Not because Christians tell me too. There is too much scientific evidence that proves it is possible. In my personal opinion, I concur with you as it involves Main-stream Christianity or religion for that reason. Many Christians are living from a Historical perspective, without the balance of science. This is dangerous, because it lacks truth. But if Science could put a title on what we call God today, I believe they would say, "Energy". Energy cannot be created, nor destroyed.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
Sure, energy cannot be created nor destroyed...but that hardly constitutes any evidence for the existence of God.
Every so-called claim for his existence that I'm aware of has a plausible naturalistic explanation that does not require resorting to the supernatural. Belief in any god is a matter of faith, not science. But when faith can lead to belief in some 4000 different religions, it's hardly reliable.
Underlings 3 years ago
Even if you do not believe, it is still good to talk about subjects that conclude evidence, education and modern society.
In my personal experience, I can actually prove that there is a physical form of matter upon my face when I pray. We call it the Anointing. It is a thick OIL that appears, it also carries a fragrance and can change the temperature in the room, thus effecting a physical atmosphere. Although this sounds unusual, I can prove it before Science. Can Science explain this?
SGSProphet 3 years ago
If this matter is generated from prayer and not from any other form of communication, how can we then interpret this from a scientific point of view?
If I specifically direct my requests to God and then a physical heat, oil and matter appears as to prove something is there. What force, energy or substance is this?
I am curious if science has any documented cases that confirm my question.
Thank you
SGSProphet 3 years ago
For the evidence you are claiming to be scientific, SGS, it would need to be reproducible. For your theory behind your experience to be scientific, it would need to be testable in some manner. So no, science cannot explain your experience...because your experience is not scientific.
You may have experienced an unknown natural phenomena, you could be the victim of a hoax, or you could be lying--any of which is FAR more likely than a supernatural explanation.
Underlings 3 years ago
But the Bible is flawed. The Apostle Paul's teachings went against Christ's teaching's and yet the Old Testament went against the New testament. I do not follow the Bible, because if God is true and there is no wrong in him, that means he will not make mistakes.
I follow my personal belief in God that is balanced within the confines of science.
Others follow a series of contradictions that are found within 66 books of times past
SGSProphet 3 years ago
4000 Religions is alot. I'm glad I don't follow Religion. When you know God, you the understand him. Am I crazy because I can see God and you cannot? Am I out of order that I can physically prove his presence and you cannot?
My mind understands what yours does not.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
"My mind understands what yours does not."
SGS, that argument is used by virtually EVERY religious person on Earth. And since we know that nearly all of the thousands of religions out there are mutually exclusive, and thus at the very most only a few (if any) can logically be true, that argument is obviously meaningless.
Underlings 3 years ago
Science is needed within the church. There is too much ignorance in today's society. Churches will follow men that sacrificed there sons to God, just as Abraham did and who believed at that time the world was flat.
The Greatest deception in the Church today and Main-stream religion is that they follow Ancient books that are not up to date with constant contradictions. When if there is a GOD, they should follow him or it. If there is a God, in which I do believe. My respect is great for God.
SGSProphet 3 years ago
I agree that most religions are ignorant and need some scientific grounding.
The biggest problem I find about believing in any concept of God (or gods) is that there is no consensus. Barring any hard physical evidence, one belief can be no more valid than any other (although some can be less valid, such as fundamentalist Christianity).
Underlings 3 years ago
Oh, and the 4000+ religions I'm mentioning are only the ones distinctly codified enough to be listed. When you factor in all religious beliefs--yours included--the number climbs into the untold thousands, perhaps millions. They can't all be right...so by what reasoning do you conclude your religion must be the correct one and all others are wrong?
Underlings 3 years ago
Too bad all the people had chance to get on the boat, but they all laughed and refused. That was God's fault too, he told me himself.
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
God requires belief in him to be based on faith. And belief is not a matter of choice (if you don't believe me, just try to force yourself to believe in Santa Claus, or not believe that cars exist). Thus, if people lack faith that God exists, then it is God's fault for not providing sufficient evidence to them. This logic should be obvious to any rational person.
Underlings 3 years ago
Yeah, I guess Jesus was evil. He healed the sick, the blind man, the young girl, and cleansed the lepers. I also forgot about the time he beat up some old ladies. And also, he really wanted the prostitute to get stoned, but he changed his mind at the last minute, and let her off.
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
Hitler was kind to Eva Braun and rewarded his supporters. Did that excuse the fact that he had millions of people murdered? Of course not; we all recognize that Hitler was evil.
Theists believe God created the universe and gave us life. Does that excuse all the horrendous acts of evil I mention in my video? Of course not.
And since Jesus was supposedly God incarnate, by direct extension he was evil too.
Underlings 3 years ago
NKJV Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
Check ALL your Bibles (there are at least ten different translations!). Most of them use the word "evil," not "calamity." Some also use the word "disaster."
But regardless of the word, the meaning is the same: calmity, disaster or evil...who in their right minds would worship a god who deliberately causes misery?
Underlings 3 years ago
Yeah, I already know all that. I'll check it out, the translations.
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
Ab illo benedicaris, in cujus honore cremaberis.
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
Thanks, but I'd rather not be burned in anyone's honor!
Underlings 4 years ago
Drmabusa, for someone to serve as a lesson and a warning, something bad must happen to him. That hasn't happened to Richard Dawkins, so how can he serve as a lesson and a warning?
I will confidently bet you any amount of money that the Second Coming never comes. And that there is no consequence for blasphemy.
Underlings 4 years ago
Those who crave power and control LOVE using FEAR. People will fall for it every time. Example: 9-11
t4705mb6 4 years ago
you deny nothing but yourself. In the chapter mark, he miss understood that what jesus said for it was not a direct quote. Read the bible correctly so you wont be miss lead. You can buy a bible with direct quotes from jesus and when you do you will not see that quote by jesus becuase it was by mark.
ezplayer21 4 years ago
:-) You're kidding, right? You question ONE (debatable) piece of biblical evidence for an evil God and ignore the overwhelming rest of them? That's like seeing one house more or less still standing in a town devastated by earthquake...and claiming that's proof earthquakes don't occur.
Underlings 4 years ago