finally the practice of comparing one's opponents to the nazi's is really tired and old. China isn't perfect, but it really doesnt have alot in common with the nazi's in size or scale of even the worst things you accuse the CCP of. Race theory, aggresive expansionist nationalism, mass wholesale slaughter of populations....very different from overaggressive treatment of dissidents which is what the CCP is actually doing
I think both the protibet and pro-falun gong movements need to think about how not to sound so onesided and extremist.....tibetan activists need to explain how the absence of china would be replaced by something that the world could accept as legitimate as the old system in tibet was disgraceful....I'm sorry it was no matter what you think about it.....You really are naive if you think EU and US will stand up to China to restore an oppressive theocracy in HHDL et al
that is limited evidence of the morality of tibetan society.....tibet in 1949 was historically isolated from the rest of the world....all info was brought in by foot, there was only one telegraph in Lhasa, no radios, no newspapers, minimal literacy, and it was illegal to criticize the government in any form. Simply put, people didnt know any better. This doesnt mean it was right.....people didnt have a problem with slavery in the US in 1700 but it doesnt mean it was ok
I think you are trying to make it seem as if mob mentality is rational and based in fact. This is patently false and there are many other examples to demonstrate that people riot for irrational reasons and can be instigated to riot for all sorts of things....do you think soccer riots have a rational genesis....a poor argument
the common claim of tibetan independence is that CCP is destroying tibetan culture, which basically largely means they are modernizing tibet against its will....if tibet is so willing to go democratic and accept modernity, then why has there been such an impasse by HHDL with any form of cooperation with the CCP. In many cases in the 1980's, China tried to meet HHDL at some point half way of internal autonomy, and after they realized that
This is incorrect. He has been asking for independence. The CCP repeatedly tried to engage the TIbetan govt in exile in the 1980's to achieve some sort of meaningful framework for his return in the setting of autonomy. While initially he seemed to be receptive of this, he then was able to speak in the US, and in the naive idea that the US would continue to support tibetan indep...he promptly
and when you call it the evil CCP you sound like a 13 year old boy....
he was not going to compromise at all, they took to going about modernizing tibet without him. Had he had even reasonable forsight he could have negotiated a good compromise like hong kong did, but instead he tried to embarass the CCP, escalate the rhetoric, and ended up with nothing....what a great ruler you support....this is the modern history of china and tibet.....china tried to make some concessions and tibet persisted in the false belief that somehow the
old tibet was going to return, but it will not because no one who understands the situation really wants to see old tibet come back, it was a disgrace. For example, after the initial arrival of PLA troops in 1951 in Lhasa, every attempt to work out any form of compromise was thwarted by reactionary elements in tibet, namely the Tsipons, who insulted the PLA and rejected any form of compromise with china.....doesnt make me feel sorry for them
again with the rhetoric.....the long and short is that the UN and many other governments have reviewed the claim for tibetan independence and decided that it does not have enough merit to condemn china for it....they don't have any more legal merit to claim that they are an independent state than extremists in the US who claim that their ranch is an independent country....when you have no legal, or military recourse, then it is stupid to continue to antagonize a larger
"Commencing with the Chinese INVASION in 1950 and its inhuman military actions, the forcible oppression of Tibet and of its striving for political, ethnic, cultural and religious self- determination has persisted until today."
nation. They would have done alot better to try and find a solution half way which allowed them to keep their religious and social customs intact. This was offered repeatedly and turned down by people who insisted n independence. Instead they have chosen to enroll at the school of hard knocks. The idea of nationalism, is inherently against the ideas of buddhism. If they were real buddhists, they would not care which flag they prayed under
But tibetan buddhism is not real buddhism because it is concerned with heirarchy, nationalism, and the exploitation of the poor. Otherwise they wouldnt care who was running the nation. The reason they care is they lost their slaves. Hypocracy.
you say arrival of PLA troops and reactionary elements in one sentence! may i ask you what a reactionary element is when you face an military invasion into your homecountry??? i would have insulted the PLA either
It was flagrantly counterproductive. The 17 point agreement was aimed at a peaceful annexation, and provided for alot of special priviledges for tibet, including freedom from land distribution and continued rule of HHDL. When the UN has decided not to help you, you have no allies, and no military options, and your conquerers are offering to change as little as possible if you cooperate with secular administration, it is stupid to not give this a chance.
They on the other hand, did everything they could to antagonize and thwart the process, until the chinese gave up trying to cooperate, and broke out the heavy hand....again if they were true buddhists, why would they have cared who was running the governmental offices....the reason is they were slaveholders and were worried about money
Free tibet movements have got alot of press, but usually this arises from a vacuum of facts about tibet in the west. I don't think Mao necessary had the right to invade tibet, but tibet hardly as the peaceful buddhist utopia people in this protest likely believe it is.....the facts about pre-1950 tibet generally suggest pretty brutal, unfair and violent place, and that the Dalai lama, the Kashag, the shapes, etc basically ruled as a single party dictatorship while most tibetans were slaves
I don't note any facts in your counter arguments, just personal attacks.
Again, I didn't say that Mao had some god given right to invade tibet, and certain mao's track record was poor, however you really are trying to present this issue as one sided when it is not. Further, the fact that you have gotten so angry about this further suggests that you are in need of an assessment of the facts
Can you tell us why you have plenty to say on this video but nothing on your channel ???
Comments on videos don't mean that much as they just reflect a persons thinking at that time. A week from now you might become better informed and you can say, I was BRAINWASHED back then.
It seems like people who don't have anything on their channel probably aren't to sure what they believe or support.
Let me provide you with the opposite explanation.....I am someone who is gainfully employed who really doesnt have alot of excess time to spend my time making a life and persona on youtube. I just happened across this video while I was watching some videos on china and tibet for my own interest.....
Further, the fact that I am not a fanatic or activist, probably suggests that I am more of an independent thinker than someone who spends their time building youtube chann
I came across a Nangpa Pass video in 2008, where CCP supporters were lying as just started mucking around as a bit of fun. Now things are much more serious for me.
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My education about the world began in 2008. I regard most of my education (that includes a BSc) as a waste of many years of my life
I hear people say that nonsense all the time. Education is what you make of it, especially at the college level, and people who claim they didnt learn anything out of college are buying into this pink floyd style antiestablishment attitude which is easy but is falsehood. It was a waste for you because you chose to make it so. I view my higher education as a valuable exposure to what knowledge was out there and I think I took very good advantage of it.
I think your major limitation is that you really lack the ability to see anything in moderate tones. western education has its limitation, but statements like that are ridiculous and really make me question why I am continuing to respond to someone who things this simplistically.
Zhuan Falun was a or the top selling book in China before the CCP banned it. People wanted it because there is very important information in it. But if you haven't read it you won't understand.
I think as a westerner we are more brainwashed into thinking that tibet is the clearcut good guy in this, when in many cases, they are a bunch of jokers
Listen I have seen all the videos. I think videos are overused in contemporary culture. They are dramatic, but often one sided, images are taken out of context, videos are distorted etc. The argument here isnt that China doesn't use some questionable means of control of its citizens...we all know it does....this is not new....the question is why we in the west specifically focus on tibet as if these people are more deserving than other groups in china
the basic point is Tibet was a backwards theocracy, which china annexed and which is contested like many other places in the world, including xinjiang, chechnya, many parts of africa. yes they dont always play nice, but the tibetans could have avoided alot of this...and further, nothing that you could show me can hold a candle to other issues presently occurring in the world...
nothing china is doing in tibet comes close to north korea, Sudan, Somalia, hell about a 1/3 of africa in general, the repression in central asia, iran.....China has its issues, roughing up a few people who are rioting for a cause which is questionable at best is really not something that we should be wasting our time on when there are much worse problems in the world
Its not just you. Many people have NOTHING on their channel or don't even have their channel showing & write plenty of stuff. I've started making a list of them.
I think its sad that you can make comments when your channel isn't showing.
Chinese history is a repetitive cycle of unity and proposperity alternating with disunity and suffering. This fact has a major impact on the chinese psyche, and drives their intense desire to unify the country. The latest such cycle was the period between Fall of the qing and the CCP victory, which was 38 years of war and suffering (and the period of Tibets De Facto indep). Is it any surpise that they view tibets attempts to leave with anger....unity is paramount in china
Further instead of hurling insults my way, it might interest you in learning the facts. There are several excellent non chinese texts on the matter. Some facts
Pre 1950 tibet had 25% of its population in monastic life, and monstaries, incarnate lamas and about 200 noble families were supported by huge numbers of land bound peasants whose land was 3/4 for their lord, 1/4 for subsistence
Tsipön Lungshar....look up the story, its pretty grisly, irrational, and common
If 25% of Tibet's population were in monastic life that means only 75% of the population can be oppressed. The communist party claims
"The serfs and slaves, who accounted for over 95 percent of the total population in Tibet, had no personal freedom and were deprived of their basic human rights.”
again none of these facts give china the right to do what they did (although the 14th dalai lama did sign the 17 point agreement saying tibet is a part of china), but I really think the holy than thou views from tibet and protibetan western sources really falls apart when you read the facts about pre china tibet...They did for me when I learned the truth
Tibetans basically had no choice to sign the 17 point agreement. They didn't want to sign it but when you are overrun with HORDES of communists INVADERS there's not much you can do.
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The past is history and you can't change it.
BUT there is NO NEED for DEATH CAMPS in the PRC in 2011
There was a choice. The US repeatedly contacted the dalai lama while he was in Yatung following the defeat and capture of Chamdo offering him assylum and suggesting that he not sign the agreement as it would eliminate future claims to autonomy....he and the Kashag eventually decided that they could not trust the west and decided to join with the chinese
your claim that you can ignore the past in this argument is absurd, tibets entire claim to autonomy is based on it
not really true......the fact that the dalai lama was in any form of power rests largely on chinese emperors repeatedly sending their military in to restore order and prevent invasions. Kangxi sent atleast 4 major military expeditions into tibet during a 15 year period, and largely determined who ruled and under what pretext. Tibet was a tributary state for the next nearly century and a half until the brief period of time between the fall of the qing and mao
"chinese emperors repeatedly sending their military in to restore order and prevent invasions"
this goes back to the Sino-Tibetan treaty which was agreed on in 821/822 under the Tibetan emperor Ralpacan. the chinese emperors repeatedly sent military forces to defend the tibetan border from foreign forces, yet the treaty still defines china and tibet as two separate states
In 1727, as a result of the Chinese having entered Lhasa, the boundary between China and Tibet was laid down as between the head-waters of the Mekong and Yangtse rivers, and marked by a pillar, a little to the south-west of Batang. Land to the west of this pillar was administered from Lhasa, while the Tibetan chiefs of the tribes to the east came more directly under China. This historical Sino-Tibetan boundary was used until 1910
thus the period of time of Tibets de facto independence from china under the 13th DL, was during a period of time when china essentially was in civil war and had not effective government. By that logic Hebei province is a seperate part of china as it was largely ruled by warlords for much of this period.....obviously it is not a seperate part of china....and this highlights the falacy of using a brief period of independence during a civil war to justify tibetan indepen.
also while china's human rights violations are well known , and their execution and imprisonment of political prisoners are obviously outside the bounds of acceptable behavior, they are hardly unique to tibet in the PRC....calling them death camps is a bit bombastic and overstatement undercuts the reality which is concerning enough.....they are not exactly Treblinka and north korean camps
Listen, as a surgeon very involved with transplant issues I am very familiar with the issues with the chinese transplant programs....the issues of consent and the use of political prisoners as coerced donors is pretty despicable across the board....however you are grossly exaggerating the issues....no reputable group supports some of these claims.....most notably, anyone even vaguely familiar with the process of living cadaveric harvests would know that what you are
Thanks for telling me something about yourself. I found that on your channel and got more interested in reading your comments.
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organharvestinvestigation. net
is the site with the detailed report about Organ Harvesting titled
"BLOODY HARVEST - Revised Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China" (the authors were nominated for a Nobel Prize)
and while not the focus of this discussion, I should further note that the CCP's fear of Falun gong and Tibetan nationalism while clearly unjustified, is not without historical justification. Spiritual movements have a long history of getting well out of hand in china......the Taiping rebellion and the Boxer rebellion and two examples of this, which lead to the deaths of about 30 million and 1 million respectively. the latter movement brought the collapse of the dynasty
While the falun gong's views are benign, so were the taiping's views and that movement got way out of hand.....I am not approving of the falun gongs persecution, I am just saying that they shouldnt be surprised that a CCP government that knows its history is afraid of a widespread movement of chinese spirituality, it has a long history of getting out of control
thus while the falun gong suppression is not a justified event, I think that without background of the history of mass spirituality movements in china, and their chaotic results, its hard for westerners to understand why the CCP is so intent on stopping falun gong....no reasonabl person wants to see a repeat of the Taiping, and falun gong is pretty similar to taiping in many ways
@ msughrue - as a surgeon very involved with transplant issues please watch
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Between Life and Death -- Falun Gong Practitioners Systematically Murdered for Their Organs
watch?v=HPznNbrtwW4
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which seems to be the definitive Organ Harvesting documentary and tell your fellow surgeons about it. There is a huge amount of info on it. Sadly very few people have watched it so far so it would seem that the medical establishment are unaware of this important documentary.
exaggerating this.....It is pretty hard to buy that someone could restrain an awake person enough to effectively isolate the renal artery and vein and ureter (needed for kidney) or the portal triad and hepatic veins (for liver) without General anesthesia. Further, the pain from this would likely cause a vagal response and damage the organ.....while the idea of executing people and harvesting the organs is ethically problematic, you are citing facts that just are not true
OK some or much of the LIVE Organ Harvesting in china might be done with anaesthetic. But I will try and investigate this to find the full story, but it may not be possible.
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But in Tibet forced sterilisation is done without anaesthetic and VERY crudely. A Tibetan woman talks about it on the best Tibet Human Rights video
"Dispatches Undercover in Tibet" (on youtube in parts)
starting from about 34 minutes. Its not too nice. Possibly the worst part of that video.
all of it is done with general anesthesia....otherwise it would not be technically feasible to take organs with a reasonable vessel to anastomose to the recipient....I'm going to call BS ......further while the chinese organ donation program is ethically questionable, there are no serious claims by reliable sources that they are taking organs from people who havent been charged with capital crimes.....only that they have sold the organs of people executed for other crimes
is the site with the detailed report about Organ Harvesting titled
"BLOODY HARVEST - Revised Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China" (the authors were nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize)
(the authors were nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize)
the bottom line is that it is against the law to publically criticize the PRC government.....it was also against the law to criticize the tibetan government prior to 1950.....in both cases the punishments were harsh and not within our conception of human rights.....my point is that Tibet was not disneyland, and the idea that tibetan independence is the only thing needed to restore peace and happiness there is absurd
I'm sorry but all the inflammatory rhetoric aside, tibet in 1948 was a pretty bad place for most tibetans, whether they had insight into that fact or not.....it was slavery pure and simple no matter how you rationalize it....HHDL was the head of a theocratic feudal state where peasants were tied to the land, had no legal recourse and were required to support a large class of nobility and religious figures that did not work....
You can repeat lines all you want it doesnt make them true....Your sources are not impartial and are inflammatory...For a good impartial source on this topic I would recommend Melvyn Goldsteins work (currently 2 parts) which is unbiased, comprehensive and is widely acknowledged as the definitive source in the english language on this topic....
further, while it wasnt called slavery, there were unquestionably serfs in tibet in 1948. Serfdom is characterized by being forcably tied to the land and being forced to do work on the land on behalf of the owner of the land who did not work....this is slavery no matter what its called....the Tsipons, the Kashag, the monks, the lama's....all had estates and thus had serfs which are basically slaves....you are tragically misinformed
finally, ripping out someones eyes, lashing people, banishing them and confiscating all of their properties (all documented punishments in tibet) without trials is hardly soft punishment my friend....you need to start reading some non-tibetan sources....they are as reliable as getting your news about tibet from CCTV
If you looked at my channel you might have noticed some Al Jazeera videos on it. Perhaps you haven't heard of Al Jazeera but they seem to be the best news source.
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People can make all sorts of claims but if there is video evidence it can be far more convincing than the thoughts of an individual like who may be misguided.
According to wikipedia Goldstein is a US-American anthropologist and Tibet scholar. So he didn't experience the HORRORS of the evil communist party or what he writes about first hand. First hand evidence is better than second hand accounts.
I would disagree with this. First, Goldsteins work is based heavily on extensive interviews with tibetans involved in the incidents carried over decades, in addition to documentary and other objective evidence. Second, I think that being an independent observer makes him inherently less emotional, and less likely to selectively report facts and skew observations in the way chinese or tibetan observers would....
Goldstein is just one US citizen. Many US citizens hold extreme views.
Sadly the city near where my parents live had the fluoride taken out of its water supply due to a NZ fool or fools getting a supposed US expert to spread their idiotic views. So US citizens have less credibility than others.
What you just said is absurd. You are claiming that because one US citizen claimed a false statement, that the entire 300 million person population of the US is scientifically incredible. Yes there are extremists in the US, but american universities are among the most credible and academically productive locations in the world. Look up the nobel prize winners (selected by Sweedes) and you will see a disproportionate number of americans in nearly all fields.
additionally, your use of capital letters, bombastic words, and nazi imagery, really undermines your attempts to sound reasonable and unbiased. Language like this and stunts like disrupting the olympic torch really make the pro-tibetan side seem extreme and unreasonable to most moderate westerners. We have our own left wing extremists and we have learned to ignore their antics as well. Do you really want to turn your cause into this.
so while the CCP isn't a bunch of humanitarians, as a westerner when I read the facts from unbiased sources, I was shocked how much this dispute has been distorted and presented in a one sided fashion.....my view is good riddance to the old tibet, the CCP couldn't have done much worse
Justice := maximization of the utility of the greatest number of people.
This is the fundamental principle of democracy: 50%+1 vote or majority coalition wins. Hence, equilibrium has been reached in Tibet, which shall be prolonged indefinitely. No lie can ever beat truth. Deep down inside, you all know that is true!
What "situation" in Tibet?? The lies that you tell and the information that the Dorje Sugden followers give to the world destroyed every single shred of credibility you and your bald moron of a schizophrenic leader may have had. By violent means you tried to ask for attention to a lie, after receiving the attention your lie was exposed to the entire world. It is hard to believe that the "peace loving" monks can resort to the kind of violence we have observed so far. Shame!
Following long and careful investigations, HH the Dalai Lama strongly discourages Tibetan Buddhists from propitiating the fierce spirit known as Dolgyal (Shugden).
Although he once practised Dolgyal propitiation himself, His Holiness renounced the practice in 1975 after discovering the profound historical, social and religious problems associated with it.
Immediately after coming into exile, the Dalai Lama established the Tibetan Government-in-Exile, officially known as the Central Tibetan Administration of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Since then, the exile government under the Dalai Lama set up as many as 12 foreign missions all under the auspices of His Holiness’ name. These missions and other establishments are essential to bring the issue of Tibet to their respective countries and to to assert the just cause of Tibet in international forums.
A Tibetan living Buddha on Monday compared the emancipation of serfs in Tibet 50 years ago to the abolition of slavery in the United States in 1862, saying the two are of similar significance. "They are both milestones in the history of human rights," Shingtsa Tenzinchodrak, a living Buddha of the Kagyu sect. Xinhua
Tibet's party chief Zhang Qingli met with New Zealand officials recently (May 17, 2011). He replied to questions about religious freedom, protection of the environment as well as Tibetan culture. He offered his best wishes for victims of recent tornados in New Zealand.
"I have found that the greatest degree of inner tranquility comes from the development of love and compassion. The more we care for the happiness of others, the greater is our own sense of well-being. Cultivating a close, warm-hearted feeling for others automatically puts the mind at ease. It is the ultimate source of success in life." His Holiness the Dalai Lama
Nobody could support the NWO Free Tibet cold war disinformation and Compassion in Exile deception especially after the unspeakable fascist Middle Way Proposals, the illegal global militarization of Operation Enduring Freedom and American contracted and military black sites practices.
Tibetan intellectuals, lamas, and lawmakers already freed Tibet from taxation w/o representation and the tyranny of plutocracy and theocratic inequality, cruel and unusual punishment, forced labor and poverty.
Tibetans deputy to National People's Congress, a Living Buddha, said in American Ambassy in Washington DC that DL should give up on splitting the nation. Tibetans unique culture is well preserved in China. Cultural ethnic cleansing are simply not true but developing. All schools have bilingual education in Tibetan and Chinese
We've been deceived by western propaganda of Tibetan vs Chinese long enough.
When a western power has lost a territory over their peace-loving democratic military torture prisons and camps, then your communist death camp propaganda might work.
Need I remind you the laws and freedom the western powers as well as Old Tibet and the CTA in Dharamsala, India under the rule of 14th Dalai Lama violated and stole from their own and around the globe in the name of national imperialism, containment of communism, democracy, WMD, non-violence, and human rights in history or by legacy? Why should the int'l standards for One China Two Systems be any different even if your slogans, lies, and mental distortion of China were true?
As usual and like most western-funded Tibetan propaganda and multi-media spin, you haven't made a case of exactly what you support and don't support in reference to Article 35 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China.
Watch China TODAY through whose propaganda and coverage?!
What exactly is your case of when and how ccp violated article 35 again (or with respect to Tibetan Chinese freedom, Tibetan sectarian violence, or hate crime in 3/2008)?
Many nation states and related local authorities enact or enforce controversial bills, codes, bylaws and federal laws either extending or restricting freedom of speech, press, and assembly, and etc. that have stolen freedom and violated laws, including the authorization of forcible relocation and internment of
citizens or the detentions of immigrants. However, there has been no international human rights allegations and investigation or international campaigns to free the USA, for example, when the freedom, lives, property, and rights of Afro-Americans, Japanese Americans (WWII internment), alleged American communist sympathizers (victims of McCarthyism), war protestors (unarmed Kent State Univ students shot), Waco Siege and Massacre, and Arab and Muslim Americans were violated and stolen.
When China and the Tibetan local authority enact or enforce any bylaws and federal laws restricting freedom of speech, press, or assembly either for provincial public interest and the national security and defense as all nations do, the legality and the ethics of these laws are issues of law and order, civic rights and responsibilities, and national security defense to be determined only by the self-determination of that polical union or the citizens of China.
Freedom of speech allows your out of context lies, but many are obligated not to support them. I stated article 35 more times and in depth than you have. The lies of violation of article 35 of the Tibetan riots and hate crime (NOT protests) in 2008 and the freedom stolen and laws violated you value (and lives lost) stolen by the US and the CTA in Dharamsala are no bullshit to Americans, Tibetans, and non-Tibetan ethnic Chinese victims.
If you support freedom and justice (and truth), why would you support a western funded Tibetan cultural and political autonomy that has a consistent record of arbitrarily excommunicating, marginalizing, oppressing, and depriving her own people of self-determination, education, food, and medicine? How can Tibet be an independent country if the Tibetan rulers have been running "for safety" to Mongolia, China, and India for centuries?
Its madness to suggest Tibetan cultural and political autonomy (or more unique than 55 other ethnic Chinese groups) cannot co-exist with the democracy of one China two systems when there are clear and tangible evidence of it in TAR and China. Most Tibetans living in Tibet, the Land of the Free, consider China, their country and Tibet home. They already have Tibetan Self-Determination and do not want neither the return or the Tibetan political and cultural autonomy of the west.
It's madness because when Fascist Lhasa Tibet had political and cultural autonomy over only about 20% Tibetans with different Tibetan languages and Buddhist customs, the western funded loyalists claim ""Greater Tibet,"" in areas of Mongolia, Muslim, and Han ethinicities was a peace-loving independent country. And when all Tibetans and ethnicies can co-exist in peace and have independence, they call it Chinese occupation.
Central Tibet (or Lhasa Tibet ) had political and cultural autonomy
It's also madness to denounce the validity of a contract when all international treaties or domestic political and social contracts are signed or passed under perceived or real dureass, and even if the duress took the acceptance of highest Tibetan office in The first Peoples National Congress four years later and eight years (1951-59) to realize after signing the agreement and with CIA's training and arms supplies.
btw, The 17 point agreement on the political union was and is the Middleway.
And since the Gelugpa political power has turned its back on Tibet and China, I do not believe any right minded Tibetans living in a democratic Tibet or the Chinese government would compromise or tolerate a western anti-Han non-violent Tibetan cultural and political autonomy or a fascist Tibetan self-determination at the expense of all Chinese ethnic groups.
the violation of article 35 in china is a made up thing by the CIA and the west? yes or no? if no, you're full of shit and the CIA and the west have nothing to do with it
What did the protection from hate crimes, the rights of personal properties, the criminal arrests, investigation, and prosecution of looters in a province of China by local Tibetan authority and the Chinese government have to do with your Fascist Free Tibet shit of violation of article 35 in China, the CIA, or the west?
Another corroborating historical evidence. Third Video: American Prisoners of War in China, part 1-5 (Americans who chose communist China) .
Neoclonial activities in the form of questionable tactics such as torture, human experimentation, economic assassination, killings of civilians and non-combatants, assassinations, and coordinated Cold War propaganda by corporate-controlled media were known as early as the Korean War.
Tibetan words are very different to Chinese words have not stopped many Tibetan nationalists, Muslim Chinese, non-Tibetan Chinese, and Han Chinese to form a political union n work in solidarity for the advancement of Tibet and China. Many are bilingual and trilingual-plus. Language differences also didnt stop the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, the Cornish from sharing a nationality (likewise in the United States, Canada, Switzerland, or Australia, and etc.).
On what authority do you, the International campaign for Tibet, or the exiled Tibetan monarchy speak for all the Tibetans when the four schools of Tibetan Buddhists do not speak with one voice?
Even if Tibet is not part of China, Tibetans are subjected to the "protection" of another foreign power.
Critical thinkers n accomplished Tibetan nationalists, Tibetan Buddhists, and non-Tibetan Chinese have long been freed of the Tibetans are NOT Chinese divisive deceit and bigotry of the west and the old Tibetan nobility. Just as Irish Americans are not Jewish Americans but have the same American nationality and citizenship, Tibetan-, Mongolian-, Han-, Manchu Chinese and all 56 recognized ethnic groups have rights and responsibilities under the Chinese constitution are Chinese nationals.
Why would anyone who disagree with your obvious overgeneralization, distortion, and false statement necessary know less about Tibet, Tibetans, and Tibetan history?
If Tibetans can acquire any nationality and citizenship overseas, then there is no reason a Tibetan nationalist can't have a Chinese nationality and citizenship. Many Tibetans have expressed and written either that they are proud of their individual contribution and accomplishment for Tibet in TAR or their Chinese citizenship.
There have been death threats by Free Tibet activist Joe Hamilton in Dharamsala's and Dalai lama's name. Is this Nobel Prize tactics ?
This week he announced second visit to my house to harrass. Last year a plastic-fish token was left on my door (fish mean "I'll kill you" in Sicilian Mafia) during the night. His trash harms Tibet and I wrote long letter to denounce him in the website
Rightsideoflife
Google: 21st Century Thomas Paine Summoned to White House?
Where is the International Non-Violent Uprising Day and Movement for Free Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Savoy and Brittany, Alberta, Newfundland, British Colubia, Ontario, Quebec, Western Canada, Alaska, Hawaii, the Aztlan, New England, and the Confederate States of America if the unification of China and the Nationality Law (and of PRC) are not legitimate international standards?
When was Tibet a country and not a territorial administrative region of China in the 20th and the 21st centuries? And by what historical evidence and/or legal argument support your statement that Tibet is occupied when there are four other autonomous regions in addition to Tibet?
Tibet was independent before the People's "Liberation" army invaded in 1949.
en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Tibetan_Communist_Party
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In 1949, the party merged into the Communist Party of China,[5] at a time when the 1931 Constitution of the CCP gave minority territories of the former Chinese Empire, such as Tibet, the right to independence and secession. [6]
Phuntsok Wangyl he himself wrote even after all his personal hardships and imprisonments during the war, he is proud of his Chinese citizenship and contribution in Tibet and do not find the Chinese constitution in conflict with his Tibetan identity.
During the violent struggles for legal and economic status in the Reconstruction Era of the American Civil War, the confederates had to repeal secession, take the oath of loyalty (Wade-Davis Act), and accept the 13th Amendment, and etc. What is the difference in history and policy b/t PRC when unifying China and re
乌合之众，想分裂中国？到世界末日吧！
kayzkzkzkzk 8 months ago
Sadly the brutal and evil
Lying Racist State Terrorist Nazi party of china
Lying Racist State Terrorist Nazi party of china
fixing its currency far too low
fixing its currency far too low
destabilises the World
destabilises the World
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
finally the practice of comparing one's opponents to the nazi's is really tired and old. China isn't perfect, but it really doesnt have alot in common with the nazi's in size or scale of even the worst things you accuse the CCP of. Race theory, aggresive expansionist nationalism, mass wholesale slaughter of populations....very different from overaggressive treatment of dissidents which is what the CCP is actually doing
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
The evil CCP ceased being communist some time ago
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I think both the protibet and pro-falun gong movements need to think about how not to sound so onesided and extremist.....tibetan activists need to explain how the absence of china would be replaced by something that the world could accept as legitimate as the old system in tibet was disgraceful....I'm sorry it was no matter what you think about it.....You really are naive if you think EU and US will stand up to China to restore an oppressive theocracy in HHDL et al
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
If things were bad in Tibet before the invasion in 1949-50 how come Tibetans weren't protesting ???
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
that is limited evidence of the morality of tibetan society.....tibet in 1949 was historically isolated from the rest of the world....all info was brought in by foot, there was only one telegraph in Lhasa, no radios, no newspapers, minimal literacy, and it was illegal to criticize the government in any form. Simply put, people didnt know any better. This doesnt mean it was right.....people didnt have a problem with slavery in the US in 1700 but it doesnt mean it was ok
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Well how come the were uprisings after the 1949-50 INVASION of Tibet if things were better ???
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I think you are trying to make it seem as if mob mentality is rational and based in fact. This is patently false and there are many other examples to demonstrate that people riot for irrational reasons and can be instigated to riot for all sorts of things....do you think soccer riots have a rational genesis....a poor argument
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I think uprisings in the Buddhist country of Tibet against oppressive invaders are different soccer hooligans looking for a fight for no reason
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
You don't seem to know much about Tibet.
In 1963 (only 4 years after he ESCAPED from Tibet with his life)
HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet.
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In 2001 the first direct democratic elections were held by the Tibetan people for the post of Kalon Tripa (Senior Minister) in the history of Tibet.
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As the communist party shows no sign of going democratic in 2011 you could say that its more than 48 years behind Tibet.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
the common claim of tibetan independence is that CCP is destroying tibetan culture, which basically largely means they are modernizing tibet against its will....if tibet is so willing to go democratic and accept modernity, then why has there been such an impasse by HHDL with any form of cooperation with the CCP. In many cases in the 1980's, China tried to meet HHDL at some point half way of internal autonomy, and after they realized that
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Is the wrecking of the Serthar Buddhist Institute progress ???
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
HHDL has been asking for meaningful autonomy for decades.
But the evil CCP doesn't want to lose complete control over Tibet.
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Tibet's resources are currently being stolen at the cost of environmental damage.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
This is incorrect. He has been asking for independence. The CCP repeatedly tried to engage the TIbetan govt in exile in the 1980's to achieve some sort of meaningful framework for his return in the setting of autonomy. While initially he seemed to be receptive of this, he then was able to speak in the US, and in the naive idea that the US would continue to support tibetan indep...he promptly
and when you call it the evil CCP you sound like a 13 year old boy....
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
The CCP tells many LIES. HHDL has been promoting the Middle Way Approach for decades. Your source of information is poor.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Is torturing thousands of Falun Gong practitioners to death, including children OK behaviour with you ??
And putting cattle prods in vaginas and mouths ??
I call that EVIL.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
he promptly backed out of discussions, at this point the CCP decided that he was never going to compromise and then they started working without him
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
he was not going to compromise at all, they took to going about modernizing tibet without him. Had he had even reasonable forsight he could have negotiated a good compromise like hong kong did, but instead he tried to embarass the CCP, escalate the rhetoric, and ended up with nothing....what a great ruler you support....this is the modern history of china and tibet.....china tried to make some concessions and tibet persisted in the false belief that somehow the
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
old tibet was going to return, but it will not because no one who understands the situation really wants to see old tibet come back, it was a disgrace. For example, after the initial arrival of PLA troops in 1951 in Lhasa, every attempt to work out any form of compromise was thwarted by reactionary elements in tibet, namely the Tsipons, who insulted the PLA and rejected any form of compromise with china.....doesnt make me feel sorry for them
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Why should Tibetans lie down and accept their country being invaded ???
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Many people have been FOOLED by CCP LIES that tibet is part of china. That is perhaps were all the misunderstanding comes from.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
again with the rhetoric.....the long and short is that the UN and many other governments have reviewed the claim for tibetan independence and decided that it does not have enough merit to condemn china for it....they don't have any more legal merit to claim that they are an independent state than extremists in the US who claim that their ranch is an independent country....when you have no legal, or military recourse, then it is stupid to continue to antagonize a larger
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
German Parliament Resolution on Tibet
Bonn, 20 June 1996
@ tibetjustice. org/materials/ germany/germany3.html (remove 2 spaces)
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"Commencing with the Chinese INVASION in 1950 and its inhuman military actions, the forcible oppression of Tibet and of its striving for political, ethnic, cultural and religious self- determination has persisted until today."
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Notice the word INVASION ??
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
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@ msughrue
Some of the countries and places who have recognised Tibet as a COUNTRY and when include
China (821/823, 1890, 1908, 1914, 1918, 1951)
Ladakh (1684, 1842), Kashmir (1852)
Nepal (1856)
Great Britain (1890, 1904, 1908, 1914), Mongolia (1913)
Germany (1996)
please go to tibetjustice. org/materials/ treaties/index.html (remove 2 spaces) and see the treaties
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
nation. They would have done alot better to try and find a solution half way which allowed them to keep their religious and social customs intact. This was offered repeatedly and turned down by people who insisted n independence. Instead they have chosen to enroll at the school of hard knocks. The idea of nationalism, is inherently against the ideas of buddhism. If they were real buddhists, they would not care which flag they prayed under
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
The 1951 17 point agreement offered protection for Tibetans but as far as I'm aware all points have been broken by the CCP.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
But tibetan buddhism is not real buddhism because it is concerned with heirarchy, nationalism, and the exploitation of the poor. Otherwise they wouldnt care who was running the nation. The reason they care is they lost their slaves. Hypocracy.
msughrue 8 months ago
@msughrue
you say arrival of PLA troops and reactionary elements in one sentence! may i ask you what a reactionary element is when you face an military invasion into your homecountry??? i would have insulted the PLA either
TheMightyGuri 8 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
It was flagrantly counterproductive. The 17 point agreement was aimed at a peaceful annexation, and provided for alot of special priviledges for tibet, including freedom from land distribution and continued rule of HHDL. When the UN has decided not to help you, you have no allies, and no military options, and your conquerers are offering to change as little as possible if you cooperate with secular administration, it is stupid to not give this a chance.
msughrue 8 months ago
@msughrue
peaceful annexation??? special privileges??? then why did the chinese violated those 17 points?
TheMightyGuri 8 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
They on the other hand, did everything they could to antagonize and thwart the process, until the chinese gave up trying to cooperate, and broke out the heavy hand....again if they were true buddhists, why would they have cared who was running the governmental offices....the reason is they were slaveholders and were worried about money
msughrue 8 months ago
Free tibet movements have got alot of press, but usually this arises from a vacuum of facts about tibet in the west. I don't think Mao necessary had the right to invade tibet, but tibet hardly as the peaceful buddhist utopia people in this protest likely believe it is.....the facts about pre-1950 tibet generally suggest pretty brutal, unfair and violent place, and that the Dalai lama, the Kashag, the shapes, etc basically ruled as a single party dictatorship while most tibetans were slaves
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
How about SLAVERY in 2011 ??
Are you concerned about that ??
If you care about history please try and find a history video.
Otherwise you just look like a paid employee of the @EVIL communist party.
If you want any credibility write something on your channel.
Perhaps education in the US is a joke. Certainly looks like it.
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I don't note any facts in your counter arguments, just personal attacks.
Again, I didn't say that Mao had some god given right to invade tibet, and certain mao's track record was poor, however you really are trying to present this issue as one sided when it is not. Further, the fact that you have gotten so angry about this further suggests that you are in need of an assessment of the facts
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
Can you tell us why you have plenty to say on this video but nothing on your channel ???
Comments on videos don't mean that much as they just reflect a persons thinking at that time. A week from now you might become better informed and you can say, I was BRAINWASHED back then.
It seems like people who don't have anything on their channel probably aren't to sure what they believe or support.
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
Let me provide you with the opposite explanation.....I am someone who is gainfully employed who really doesnt have alot of excess time to spend my time making a life and persona on youtube. I just happened across this video while I was watching some videos on china and tibet for my own interest.....
Further, the fact that I am not a fanatic or activist, probably suggests that I am more of an independent thinker than someone who spends their time building youtube chann
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I feel a moral duty to help people understand the horrific situation in Tibet and China.
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Because there are LIES about Tibet all over youtube
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
you are not helping people understand the situation by presenting a one sided argument....you are sensationalizing the cheapening the real issues
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I would prefer to spend far less time on youtube.
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But sadly not many Tibet supporters are currently active on youtube.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I came across a Nangpa Pass video in 2008, where CCP supporters were lying as just started mucking around as a bit of fun. Now things are much more serious for me.
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My education about the world began in 2008. I regard most of my education (that includes a BSc) as a waste of many years of my life
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I hear people say that nonsense all the time. Education is what you make of it, especially at the college level, and people who claim they didnt learn anything out of college are buying into this pink floyd style antiestablishment attitude which is easy but is falsehood. It was a waste for you because you chose to make it so. I view my higher education as a valuable exposure to what knowledge was out there and I think I took very good advantage of it.
msughrue 8 months ago
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@ msughrue
Zhuan Falun has many interesting things to say.
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I suggest you read it sometime and realise the western education isn't as great as many people think it is.
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You can download Zhuan Falun for free at falundafa. org
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I think your major limitation is that you really lack the ability to see anything in moderate tones. western education has its limitation, but statements like that are ridiculous and really make me question why I am continuing to respond to someone who things this simplistically.
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Zhuan Falun was a or the top selling book in China before the CCP banned it. People wanted it because there is very important information in it. But if you haven't read it you won't understand.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
I think as a westerner we are more brainwashed into thinking that tibet is the clearcut good guy in this, when in many cases, they are a bunch of jokers
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Can you do me a big favour and watch this very important Tibet video ???
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China's Brutality in Tibet EXPOSED ! (7:37 minutes)
watch?v=PqjC9Wa3sxE
Video evidence is SO important.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
Listen I have seen all the videos. I think videos are overused in contemporary culture. They are dramatic, but often one sided, images are taken out of context, videos are distorted etc. The argument here isnt that China doesn't use some questionable means of control of its citizens...we all know it does....this is not new....the question is why we in the west specifically focus on tibet as if these people are more deserving than other groups in china
msughrue 8 months ago
@msughrue
That video showed Tibetans being beaten while they were lying on the ground with their hands tied behind their backs.
If you had seen it perhaps you would realise why many people in the world think the CCP is evil.
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If Tibetans get beaten in public, what happens in prisons away from public view will be FAR worse than that.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
the basic point is Tibet was a backwards theocracy, which china annexed and which is contested like many other places in the world, including xinjiang, chechnya, many parts of africa. yes they dont always play nice, but the tibetans could have avoided alot of this...and further, nothing that you could show me can hold a candle to other issues presently occurring in the world...
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
nothing china is doing in tibet comes close to north korea, Sudan, Somalia, hell about a 1/3 of africa in general, the repression in central asia, iran.....China has its issues, roughing up a few people who are rioting for a cause which is questionable at best is really not something that we should be wasting our time on when there are much worse problems in the world
msughrue 8 months ago
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@ msughrue
You don't seem aware of the Persecution of Falun Gong. Please go to
clearwisdom. net/emh/special_column/ death_cases/index.html (remove 2 spaces) to see
Falun Gong Practitioners Killed in Persecution
Gruesome Death Toll - 3427 Confirmed Dead (Latest update: 2011-03-23)
Tens of Thousands More to be confirmed
Free China from the communist party's TERRORISM
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
Its not just you. Many people have NOTHING on their channel or don't even have their channel showing & write plenty of stuff. I've started making a list of them.
I think its sad that you can make comments when your channel isn't showing.
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FREE Tibet and China from SLAVERY in 2011
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
I think its sad that you somehow have mistaken having a youtube channel with having something valid, objective, and well thought out to say
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
Chinese history is a repetitive cycle of unity and proposperity alternating with disunity and suffering. This fact has a major impact on the chinese psyche, and drives their intense desire to unify the country. The latest such cycle was the period between Fall of the qing and the CCP victory, which was 38 years of war and suffering (and the period of Tibets De Facto indep). Is it any surpise that they view tibets attempts to leave with anger....unity is paramount in china
msughrue 9 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
Further instead of hurling insults my way, it might interest you in learning the facts. There are several excellent non chinese texts on the matter. Some facts
Pre 1950 tibet had 25% of its population in monastic life, and monstaries, incarnate lamas and about 200 noble families were supported by huge numbers of land bound peasants whose land was 3/4 for their lord, 1/4 for subsistence
Tsipön Lungshar....look up the story, its pretty grisly, irrational, and common
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
Is your source for Tsipön Lungshar from
A history of modern Tibet, 1913-1951: the demise of the Lamaist state
Melvyn C. Goldstein - 1991 - History - 936 pages
?
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@msughrue
If 25% of Tibet's population were in monastic life that means only 75% of the population can be oppressed. The communist party claims
"The serfs and slaves, who accounted for over 95 percent of the total population in Tibet, had no personal freedom and were deprived of their basic human rights.”
from
news. xinhuanet. com/zhengfu/ 2002-11/18/ content_633196.htm
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
so somehow 75% slavery is ok with you? Just because the CCP's estimates are off doesnt mean they entirely missed the boat. Its still pretty bad.
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
again none of these facts give china the right to do what they did (although the 14th dalai lama did sign the 17 point agreement saying tibet is a part of china), but I really think the holy than thou views from tibet and protibetan western sources really falls apart when you read the facts about pre china tibet...They did for me when I learned the truth
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
Tibetans basically had no choice to sign the 17 point agreement. They didn't want to sign it but when you are overrun with HORDES of communists INVADERS there's not much you can do.
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The past is history and you can't change it.
BUT there is NO NEED for DEATH CAMPS in the PRC in 2011
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
There was a choice. The US repeatedly contacted the dalai lama while he was in Yatung following the defeat and capture of Chamdo offering him assylum and suggesting that he not sign the agreement as it would eliminate future claims to autonomy....he and the Kashag eventually decided that they could not trust the west and decided to join with the chinese
your claim that you can ignore the past in this argument is absurd, tibets entire claim to autonomy is based on it
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
Tibet was independent from China from 821 to 1949.
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
not really true......the fact that the dalai lama was in any form of power rests largely on chinese emperors repeatedly sending their military in to restore order and prevent invasions. Kangxi sent atleast 4 major military expeditions into tibet during a 15 year period, and largely determined who ruled and under what pretext. Tibet was a tributary state for the next nearly century and a half until the brief period of time between the fall of the qing and mao
msughrue 8 months ago
@msughrue
"chinese emperors repeatedly sending their military in to restore order and prevent invasions"
this goes back to the Sino-Tibetan treaty which was agreed on in 821/822 under the Tibetan emperor Ralpacan. the chinese emperors repeatedly sent military forces to defend the tibetan border from foreign forces, yet the treaty still defines china and tibet as two separate states
TheMightyGuri 8 months ago
@msughrue
In 1727, as a result of the Chinese having entered Lhasa, the boundary between China and Tibet was laid down as between the head-waters of the Mekong and Yangtse rivers, and marked by a pillar, a little to the south-west of Batang. Land to the west of this pillar was administered from Lhasa, while the Tibetan chiefs of the tribes to the east came more directly under China. This historical Sino-Tibetan boundary was used until 1910
TheMightyGuri 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
thus the period of time of Tibets de facto independence from china under the 13th DL, was during a period of time when china essentially was in civil war and had not effective government. By that logic Hebei province is a seperate part of china as it was largely ruled by warlords for much of this period.....obviously it is not a seperate part of china....and this highlights the falacy of using a brief period of independence during a civil war to justify tibetan indepen.
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
also while china's human rights violations are well known , and their execution and imprisonment of political prisoners are obviously outside the bounds of acceptable behavior, they are hardly unique to tibet in the PRC....calling them death camps is a bit bombastic and overstatement undercuts the reality which is concerning enough.....they are not exactly Treblinka and north korean camps
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
LIVE Organ Harvesting is a reality in China.
Being gassed is probably a nicer way to go than watching your organs being removed WITHOUT anesthetic
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
Listen, as a surgeon very involved with transplant issues I am very familiar with the issues with the chinese transplant programs....the issues of consent and the use of political prisoners as coerced donors is pretty despicable across the board....however you are grossly exaggerating the issues....no reputable group supports some of these claims.....most notably, anyone even vaguely familiar with the process of living cadaveric harvests would know that what you are
msughrue 8 months ago
@msughrue
Thanks for telling me something about yourself. I found that on your channel and got more interested in reading your comments.
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organharvestinvestigation. net
is the site with the detailed report about Organ Harvesting titled
"BLOODY HARVEST - Revised Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China" (the authors were nominated for a Nobel Prize)
& this page
organharvestinvestigation. net/studies.htm
has Corroborating Studies
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
and while not the focus of this discussion, I should further note that the CCP's fear of Falun gong and Tibetan nationalism while clearly unjustified, is not without historical justification. Spiritual movements have a long history of getting well out of hand in china......the Taiping rebellion and the Boxer rebellion and two examples of this, which lead to the deaths of about 30 million and 1 million respectively. the latter movement brought the collapse of the dynasty
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Do you know much about Falun Gong ?
Falun Gong are into TRUTH, COMPASSION and TOLERANCE, until some spiritual practices I can think of.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
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@HumanRightsVideosT
Falun Gong are into TRUTH, COMPASSION and TOLERANCE, UNLIKE some spiritual practices I can think of.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
While the falun gong's views are benign, so were the taiping's views and that movement got way out of hand.....I am not approving of the falun gongs persecution, I am just saying that they shouldnt be surprised that a CCP government that knows its history is afraid of a widespread movement of chinese spirituality, it has a long history of getting out of control
msughrue 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
thus while the falun gong suppression is not a justified event, I think that without background of the history of mass spirituality movements in china, and their chaotic results, its hard for westerners to understand why the CCP is so intent on stopping falun gong....no reasonabl person wants to see a repeat of the Taiping, and falun gong is pretty similar to taiping in many ways
msughrue 8 months ago
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@ msughrue
FYI
Falun Gong practitioners are not allowed to get into politics
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue - as a surgeon very involved with transplant issues please watch
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Between Life and Death -- Falun Gong Practitioners Systematically Murdered for Their Organs
watch?v=HPznNbrtwW4
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which seems to be the definitive Organ Harvesting documentary and tell your fellow surgeons about it. There is a huge amount of info on it. Sadly very few people have watched it so far so it would seem that the medical establishment are unaware of this important documentary.
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
exaggerating this.....It is pretty hard to buy that someone could restrain an awake person enough to effectively isolate the renal artery and vein and ureter (needed for kidney) or the portal triad and hepatic veins (for liver) without General anesthesia. Further, the pain from this would likely cause a vagal response and damage the organ.....while the idea of executing people and harvesting the organs is ethically problematic, you are citing facts that just are not true
msughrue 8 months ago
@msughrue
OK some or much of the LIVE Organ Harvesting in china might be done with anaesthetic. But I will try and investigate this to find the full story, but it may not be possible.
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But in Tibet forced sterilisation is done without anaesthetic and VERY crudely. A Tibetan woman talks about it on the best Tibet Human Rights video
"Dispatches Undercover in Tibet" (on youtube in parts)
starting from about 34 minutes. Its not too nice. Possibly the worst part of that video.
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
all of it is done with general anesthesia....otherwise it would not be technically feasible to take organs with a reasonable vessel to anastomose to the recipient....I'm going to call BS ......further while the chinese organ donation program is ethically questionable, there are no serious claims by reliable sources that they are taking organs from people who havent been charged with capital crimes.....only that they have sold the organs of people executed for other crimes
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I don't think you have watched "Dispatches Undercover in Tibet"
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I don't think you realise the true HORRORS the evil communist party of china is capable of.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Do you realise that using electric batons in vaginas and mouths is a common type of torture used in Tibet ???
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If you google Tibet torture you can read about all sorts of nasty torture the evil CCP does
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
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@ msughrue
organharvestinvestigation. net
is the site with the detailed report about Organ Harvesting titled
"BLOODY HARVEST - Revised Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China" (the authors were nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize)
(the authors were nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize)
& this page
organharvestinvestigation. net/studies.htm
has Corroborating Studies
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
the bottom line is that it is against the law to publically criticize the PRC government.....it was also against the law to criticize the tibetan government prior to 1950.....in both cases the punishments were harsh and not within our conception of human rights.....my point is that Tibet was not disneyland, and the idea that tibetan independence is the only thing needed to restore peace and happiness there is absurd
msughrue 9 months ago
@msughrue
HHDL didn't sign the 17 pt agreement his representatives did under pressure. If Tibet was part of China why did china need to sign that agreement ?
Fact is there were very few chinese in tibet in 1948.
What sources of information did you gain "the TRUTH" from? Hopefully not a china friendship society.
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@msughrue
What percent of SLAVES in Tibet are you claiming ?
have you read
FROM DARKNESS TO DAWN Jamyang Norbu
@ phayul. com/news/article. aspx?id=24749&t=1 (remove spaces)
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Tibet got rid of the DEATH Penalty in 1913 and punishments were seen as soft after that with one exception (for treason).
No one is claiming that things were perfect in Tibet in 1948, but they were better then than now.
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
I'm sorry but all the inflammatory rhetoric aside, tibet in 1948 was a pretty bad place for most tibetans, whether they had insight into that fact or not.....it was slavery pure and simple no matter how you rationalize it....HHDL was the head of a theocratic feudal state where peasants were tied to the land, had no legal recourse and were required to support a large class of nobility and religious figures that did not work....
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
There was NO slavery in Tibet in 1948.
There was NO slavery in Tibet in 1948.
There was NO slavery in Tibet in 1948.
Where do you source your information from ???
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
You can repeat lines all you want it doesnt make them true....Your sources are not impartial and are inflammatory...For a good impartial source on this topic I would recommend Melvyn Goldsteins work (currently 2 parts) which is unbiased, comprehensive and is widely acknowledged as the definitive source in the english language on this topic....
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
further, while it wasnt called slavery, there were unquestionably serfs in tibet in 1948. Serfdom is characterized by being forcably tied to the land and being forced to do work on the land on behalf of the owner of the land who did not work....this is slavery no matter what its called....the Tsipons, the Kashag, the monks, the lama's....all had estates and thus had serfs which are basically slaves....you are tragically misinformed
msughrue 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
finally, ripping out someones eyes, lashing people, banishing them and confiscating all of their properties (all documented punishments in tibet) without trials is hardly soft punishment my friend....you need to start reading some non-tibetan sources....they are as reliable as getting your news about tibet from CCTV
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Who is documenting those punishments in Tibet. The lying communist party ???
Who is documenting those punishments in Tibet. The lying communist party ???
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If you want to debate you need to have sources not make wild claims.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
If you looked at my channel you might have noticed some Al Jazeera videos on it. Perhaps you haven't heard of Al Jazeera but they seem to be the best news source.
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People can make all sorts of claims but if there is video evidence it can be far more convincing than the thoughts of an individual like who may be misguided.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
According to wikipedia Goldstein is a US-American anthropologist and Tibet scholar. So he didn't experience the HORRORS of the evil communist party or what he writes about first hand. First hand evidence is better than second hand accounts.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I would disagree with this. First, Goldsteins work is based heavily on extensive interviews with tibetans involved in the incidents carried over decades, in addition to documentary and other objective evidence. Second, I think that being an independent observer makes him inherently less emotional, and less likely to selectively report facts and skew observations in the way chinese or tibetan observers would....
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Goldstein is just one US citizen. Many US citizens hold extreme views.
Sadly the city near where my parents live had the fluoride taken out of its water supply due to a NZ fool or fools getting a supposed US expert to spread their idiotic views. So US citizens have less credibility than others.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
What you just said is absurd. You are claiming that because one US citizen claimed a false statement, that the entire 300 million person population of the US is scientifically incredible. Yes there are extremists in the US, but american universities are among the most credible and academically productive locations in the world. Look up the nobel prize winners (selected by Sweedes) and you will see a disproportionate number of americans in nearly all fields.
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
OK another US example. The US invaded Iraq assuming there were WMD there. A big US mistake.
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Fox TV isn't shown where I live now probably because its SO over the top with right wing extreme views
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
additionally, your use of capital letters, bombastic words, and nazi imagery, really undermines your attempts to sound reasonable and unbiased. Language like this and stunts like disrupting the olympic torch really make the pro-tibetan side seem extreme and unreasonable to most moderate westerners. We have our own left wing extremists and we have learned to ignore their antics as well. Do you really want to turn your cause into this.
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
When I call the CCP the communist party many people comment that it isn't communist.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I'm not actually that left wing. Perhaps by US standards yes, but the US isn't typical of civilised countries.
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
I have met my share of free tibet people over the years the the unifying thread that binds them is lack of information and leftism
msughrue 8 months ago
@ msughrue
I'm not a member of any organisation. Have you met many Falun Gong practitioners ???
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@ msughrue
Here is the start of a comment from a guy I'm debating with on the video
Consider Tibet core issue between India, China: Tibet's PM-in-exile
"chinese nazi party may be stupid, but"
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
so while the CCP isn't a bunch of humanitarians, as a westerner when I read the facts from unbiased sources, I was shocked how much this dispute has been distorted and presented in a one sided fashion.....my view is good riddance to the old tibet, the CCP couldn't have done much worse
msughrue 8 months ago
Which sources do you read from ?
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Have you read
FROM DARKNESS TO DAWN Jamyang Norbu
@ phayul. com/news/article. aspx?id=24749&t=1 (remove spaces)
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Tibet got rid of the DEATH Penalty in 1913
Tibet got rid of the DEATH Penalty in 1913
Tibet got rid of the DEATH Penalty in 1913 and punishments were seen as soft after that with one exception (for treason).
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@msughrue
In 1963 (only 4 years after HHDL ESCAPED from Tibet)
HH the Dalai Lama presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet.
In 2001
the first direct democratic elections were held by the Tibetan people for the post of Kalon Tripa (Senior Minister) in the history of Tibet.
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As the communist party shows no sign of going democratic in 2011 you could say that its more than 48 years behind Tibet.
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
Justice := maximization of the utility of the greatest number of people.
This is the fundamental principle of democracy: 50%+1 vote or majority coalition wins. Hence, equilibrium has been reached in Tibet, which shall be prolonged indefinitely. No lie can ever beat truth. Deep down inside, you all know that is true!
weissman2000 9 months ago
@unwiseman2000
The situation in Tibet is an embarrassment to Chinese around the world. Because many Chinese support the @EVIL CCP
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
What "situation" in Tibet?? The lies that you tell and the information that the Dorje Sugden followers give to the world destroyed every single shred of credibility you and your bald moron of a schizophrenic leader may have had. By violent means you tried to ask for attention to a lie, after receiving the attention your lie was exposed to the entire world. It is hard to believe that the "peace loving" monks can resort to the kind of violence we have observed so far. Shame!
weissman2000 9 months ago
@weissman2000
HH Dalai Lama's Advice Concerning Dolgyal (Shugden)
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Following long and careful investigations, HH the Dalai Lama strongly discourages Tibetan Buddhists from propitiating the fierce spirit known as Dolgyal (Shugden).
Although he once practised Dolgyal propitiation himself, His Holiness renounced the practice in 1975 after discovering the profound historical, social and religious problems associated with it.
go to
dalailama. com/messages/dolgyal-shugden (remove space)
for more info
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
Immediately after coming into exile, the Dalai Lama established the Tibetan Government-in-Exile, officially known as the Central Tibetan Administration of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
setrap168 10 months ago
Since then, the exile government under the Dalai Lama set up as many as 12 foreign missions all under the auspices of His Holiness’ name. These missions and other establishments are essential to bring the issue of Tibet to their respective countries and to to assert the just cause of Tibet in international forums.
setrap168 10 months ago
A Tibetan living Buddha on Monday compared the emancipation of serfs in Tibet 50 years ago to the abolition of slavery in the United States in 1862, saying the two are of similar significance. "They are both milestones in the history of human rights," Shingtsa Tenzinchodrak, a living Buddha of the Kagyu sect. Xinhua
jimgzorn 10 months ago
@ jimgzorn
check out this page from tibetjustice. org/materials/govngo
/govngo2.html
INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION of JURISTS Report on TIBET and the CHINESE People's Republic, Geneva 1960
The Committee came to the following conclusions: GENOCIDE
(I'll leave you to read the rest of that page)
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
Tibet's party chief Zhang Qingli met with New Zealand officials recently (May 17, 2011). He replied to questions about religious freedom, protection of the environment as well as Tibetan culture. He offered his best wishes for victims of recent tornados in New Zealand.
jimgzorn 8 months ago
@ jimgzorn
Do you know the really sad thing about the transfer of manufacturing capacity from the West to China ???
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
LoL, losers.
yemail5555 1 year ago
可恶的五毛，不讲理只会乱咬，记住人民会清算这些dang棍的
chinaguitou 1 year ago
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"I have found that the greatest degree of inner tranquility comes from the development of love and compassion. The more we care for the happiness of others, the greater is our own sense of well-being. Cultivating a close, warm-hearted feeling for others automatically puts the mind at ease. It is the ultimate source of success in life." His Holiness the Dalai Lama
dorje168 2 years ago
Nobody could support the NWO Free Tibet cold war disinformation and Compassion in Exile deception especially after the unspeakable fascist Middle Way Proposals, the illegal global militarization of Operation Enduring Freedom and American contracted and military black sites practices.
Tibetan intellectuals, lamas, and lawmakers already freed Tibet from taxation w/o representation and the tyranny of plutocracy and theocratic inequality, cruel and unusual punishment, forced labor and poverty.
sbpinc 2 years ago
Tibetans deputy to National People's Congress, a Living Buddha, said in American Ambassy in Washington DC that DL should give up on splitting the nation. Tibetans unique culture is well preserved in China. Cultural ethnic cleansing are simply not true but developing. All schools have bilingual education in Tibetan and Chinese
Video: Tibet delegation exchange views in the US
sbpinc 2 years ago
@ sbpinc
please watch
Destruction of Tibetan Institute Serthar by Chinese Authorities
watch?v=FZXkQtya4RY
and learn about the Cultural Genocide in Tibet
HumanRightsVideosT 8 months ago
For video evidence of the communist DEATH camps in modern Tibet please watch
tinyu rl. com/NunsDied
(remove spaces)
14 out of 15 nuns died. So the DEATH rate for those teenage nuns was well over 90 percent !!! FREE Tibet
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
We've been deceived by western propaganda of Tibetan vs Chinese long enough.
When a western power has lost a territory over their peace-loving democratic military torture prisons and camps, then your communist death camp propaganda might work.
sbpinc 2 years ago
go go go CCP!!!
violate your laws and steal the freedom from your people in china!
sbpinc supports you
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
Need I remind you the laws and freedom the western powers as well as Old Tibet and the CTA in Dharamsala, India under the rule of 14th Dalai Lama violated and stole from their own and around the globe in the name of national imperialism, containment of communism, democracy, WMD, non-violence, and human rights in history or by legacy? Why should the int'l standards for One China Two Systems be any different even if your slogans, lies, and mental distortion of China were true?
sbpinc 2 years ago
so my slogan is wrong and the government doesnt violates its own laws? then state article 35 of chinas constitution
and no, u dont need to remind me about things i dont support, aaaaiiight???
but dont talk about "old" tibet ;) watch china TODAY! aaaight??
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
As usual and like most western-funded Tibetan propaganda and multi-media spin, you haven't made a case of exactly what you support and don't support in reference to Article 35 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China.
Watch China TODAY through whose propaganda and coverage?!
sbpinc 2 years ago
LOL are you confused? what as usual? :D
i DONT support CCP's violation of article 35, what else did you expect??
i guess u dont even know what article 35 is saying
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
What exactly is your case of when and how ccp violated article 35 again (or with respect to Tibetan Chinese freedom, Tibetan sectarian violence, or hate crime in 3/2008)?
Many nation states and related local authorities enact or enforce controversial bills, codes, bylaws and federal laws either extending or restricting freedom of speech, press, and assembly, and etc. that have stolen freedom and violated laws, including the authorization of forcible relocation and internment of
sbpinc 2 years ago
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citizens or the detentions of immigrants. However, there has been no international human rights allegations and investigation or international campaigns to free the USA, for example, when the freedom, lives, property, and rights of Afro-Americans, Japanese Americans (WWII internment), alleged American communist sympathizers (victims of McCarthyism), war protestors (unarmed Kent State Univ students shot), Waco Siege and Massacre, and Arab and Muslim Americans were violated and stolen.
sbpinc 2 years ago
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When China and the Tibetan local authority enact or enforce any bylaws and federal laws restricting freedom of speech, press, or assembly either for provincial public interest and the national security and defense as all nations do, the legality and the ethics of these laws are issues of law and order, civic rights and responsibilities, and national security defense to be determined only by the self-determination of that polical union or the citizens of China.
sbpinc 2 years ago
the CCP violated article 35 during the tiananmen protests in 1989, during tibetan protests the same year and in 2008 and so on...
state article 35 and you'll see it for yourself
google it up and find out what article 35 of chinas constitution is saying and then take a look at tiananmen 20 years ago
just do it, before you write more bullshit that is out of the context
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
Freedom of speech allows your out of context lies, but many are obligated not to support them. I stated article 35 more times and in depth than you have. The lies of violation of article 35 of the Tibetan riots and hate crime (NOT protests) in 2008 and the freedom stolen and laws violated you value (and lives lost) stolen by the US and the CTA in Dharamsala are no bullshit to Americans, Tibetans, and non-Tibetan ethnic Chinese victims.
sbpinc 2 years ago
If you support freedom and justice (and truth), why would you support a western funded Tibetan cultural and political autonomy that has a consistent record of arbitrarily excommunicating, marginalizing, oppressing, and depriving her own people of self-determination, education, food, and medicine? How can Tibet be an independent country if the Tibetan rulers have been running "for safety" to Mongolia, China, and India for centuries?
sbpinc 2 years ago
Its madness to suggest Tibetan cultural and political autonomy (or more unique than 55 other ethnic Chinese groups) cannot co-exist with the democracy of one China two systems when there are clear and tangible evidence of it in TAR and China. Most Tibetans living in Tibet, the Land of the Free, consider China, their country and Tibet home. They already have Tibetan Self-Determination and do not want neither the return or the Tibetan political and cultural autonomy of the west.
sbpinc 2 years ago
it is not madness... the 17 point agreement was signed by chinas government, therefore they have to stick to it!
why you call that madness??? O.o are you a retard?
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
It's madness because when Fascist Lhasa Tibet had political and cultural autonomy over only about 20% Tibetans with different Tibetan languages and Buddhist customs, the western funded loyalists claim ""Greater Tibet,"" in areas of Mongolia, Muslim, and Han ethinicities was a peace-loving independent country. And when all Tibetans and ethnicies can co-exist in peace and have independence, they call it Chinese occupation.
Central Tibet (or Lhasa Tibet ) had political and cultural autonomy
sbpinc 2 years ago
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It's also madness to denounce the validity of a contract when all international treaties or domestic political and social contracts are signed or passed under perceived or real dureass, and even if the duress took the acceptance of highest Tibetan office in The first Peoples National Congress four years later and eight years (1951-59) to realize after signing the agreement and with CIA's training and arms supplies.
sbpinc 2 years ago
btw, The 17 point agreement on the political union was and is the Middleway.
And since the Gelugpa political power has turned its back on Tibet and China, I do not believe any right minded Tibetans living in a democratic Tibet or the Chinese government would compromise or tolerate a western anti-Han non-violent Tibetan cultural and political autonomy or a fascist Tibetan self-determination at the expense of all Chinese ethnic groups.
sbpinc 2 years ago
you write too much bullshit
the point still remains
chinese government does NOT stick to 17 point agreement
doesnt matter what you write
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
lol you're so full of shit :D
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
lol, the mighty guri of shit, the defender of Free Tibet.
sbpinc 2 years ago
the violation of article 35 in china is a made up thing by the CIA and the west? yes or no? if no, you're full of shit and the CIA and the west have nothing to do with it
its the CCP who's wrong
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
What did the protection from hate crimes, the rights of personal properties, the criminal arrests, investigation, and prosecution of looters in a province of China by local Tibetan authority and the Chinese government have to do with your Fascist Free Tibet shit of violation of article 35 in China, the CIA, or the west?
sbpinc 2 years ago
The communist party has been LOOTING Tibet for nearly 60 years.
Learn more about the COUNTRIES of Tibet and China.
Democracy for Tibet and China
HumanRightsVideosT 2 years ago
CIA-NED lies, people die, Free China, Free the world.
spiriteverest 2 years ago 2
Time of Reform, part 1-6 (democratic reform in the words of and achievements by Tibetan chinese)
Secrets of the CIA, part 1-6 (ex-agents on proxy wars)
spiriteverest 2 years ago
Another corroborating historical evidence. Third Video: American Prisoners of War in China, part 1-5 (Americans who chose communist China) .
Neoclonial activities in the form of questionable tactics such as torture, human experimentation, economic assassination, killings of civilians and non-combatants, assassinations, and coordinated Cold War propaganda by corporate-controlled media were known as early as the Korean War.
spiriteverest 2 years ago
Tibetan words are very different to Chinese words.
Similarly Tibetans are NOT Chinese.
Free Tibet and China.
HumanRightsVideosT 2 years ago
Tibetan words are very different to Chinese words have not stopped many Tibetan nationalists, Muslim Chinese, non-Tibetan Chinese, and Han Chinese to form a political union n work in solidarity for the advancement of Tibet and China. Many are bilingual and trilingual-plus. Language differences also didnt stop the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, the Cornish from sharing a nationality (likewise in the United States, Canada, Switzerland, or Australia, and etc.).
Free HumanrightsvideosT
valsakidanica 2 years ago
Do you think Tibetans want Tibet to be part of China ???
FREE your mind !!!
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
On what authority do you, the International campaign for Tibet, or the exiled Tibetan monarchy speak for all the Tibetans when the four schools of Tibetan Buddhists do not speak with one voice?
Even if Tibet is not part of China, Tibetans are subjected to the "protection" of another foreign power.
Free melaminforthewin
valsakidanica 2 years ago
Remember Nangpa La Pass in 2006, when unarmed women and children were shot at by communist soldiers ????
Were the children a threat ???
Is that protection ???
Free 6 million Tibetans from the evil communist party.
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
Critical thinkers n accomplished Tibetan nationalists, Tibetan Buddhists, and non-Tibetan Chinese have long been freed of the Tibetans are NOT Chinese divisive deceit and bigotry of the west and the old Tibetan nobility. Just as Irish Americans are not Jewish Americans but have the same American nationality and citizenship, Tibetan-, Mongolian-, Han-, Manchu Chinese and all 56 recognized ethnic groups have rights and responsibilities under the Chinese constitution are Chinese nationals.
valsakidanica 2 years ago
Tibetans are not Chinese.
Learn more about Tibet and Tibetans.
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
Why would anyone who disagree with your obvious overgeneralization, distortion, and false statement necessary know less about Tibet, Tibetans, and Tibetan history?
If Tibetans can acquire any nationality and citizenship overseas, then there is no reason a Tibetan nationalist can't have a Chinese nationality and citizenship. Many Tibetans have expressed and written either that they are proud of their individual contribution and accomplishment for Tibet in TAR or their Chinese citizenship.
valsakidanica 2 years ago
Tibetans don't have any say in what happens in Tibet. But when the communist party is gone things will change for the better.
Tibet and South Mongolia WILL be FREE
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
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There have been death threats by Free Tibet activist Joe Hamilton in Dharamsala's and Dalai lama's name. Is this Nobel Prize tactics ?
This week he announced second visit to my house to harrass. Last year a plastic-fish token was left on my door (fish mean "I'll kill you" in Sicilian Mafia) during the night. His trash harms Tibet and I wrote long letter to denounce him in the website
Rightsideoflife
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NamchuWangden 2 years ago
Where is the International Non-Violent Uprising Day and Movement for Free Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Savoy and Brittany, Alberta, Newfundland, British Colubia, Ontario, Quebec, Western Canada, Alaska, Hawaii, the Aztlan, New England, and the Confederate States of America if the unification of China and the Nationality Law (and of PRC) are not legitimate international standards?
ourlegacy 2 years ago
The occupied country of Tibet wants to be free from the racist communist party.
How many of those places you mention are occupied countries who want to be free ??
HumanRightsVideosT 2 years ago
You as a human rights activists seems not very informed and know very little about world history and the independence movements around the globe.
Free HumanrightsvideoT
valsakidanica 2 years ago
When was Tibet a country and not a territorial administrative region of China in the 20th and the 21st centuries? And by what historical evidence and/or legal argument support your statement that Tibet is occupied when there are four other autonomous regions in addition to Tibet?
Free HumanrightsvideosT
valsakidanica 2 years ago
Tibet was independent before the People's "Liberation" army invaded in 1949.
en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Tibetan_Communist_Party
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In 1949, the party merged into the Communist Party of China,[5] at a time when the 1931 Constitution of the CCP gave minority territories of the former Chinese Empire, such as Tibet, the right to independence and secession. [6]
FREE Tibet and South Mongolia !!!
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
Phuntsok Wangyl he himself wrote even after all his personal hardships and imprisonments during the war, he is proud of his Chinese citizenship and contribution in Tibet and do not find the Chinese constitution in conflict with his Tibetan identity.
valsakidanica 2 years ago
Do you know that Falun Gong have no protection under the Chinese constitution ???
Time for a new constitution.
FREE China and Tibet
MelamineForTheWIN 2 years ago
During the violent struggles for legal and economic status in the Reconstruction Era of the American Civil War, the confederates had to repeal secession, take the oath of loyalty (Wade-Davis Act), and accept the 13th Amendment, and etc. What is the difference in history and policy b/t PRC when unifying China and re