Aliens most likely exist. There are countless planets in countless galaxies and maybe even other dimensions besides this one. I don't think that God is real because why would he create all those galaxies and planets if we're the only one with life on it? What's the point?
Aliens almost certainly exist. However, every life-form on this planet evolved from the same creature, and as thus we're very similar. You might not think it, but we are. A creature that evolved completely differently may be like nothing we could ever imagine. They might have no need for bacteria or a brain, or even sight or smell. Smell might be a completely amazing and impossible thing to them.
i think if life evolved on this planet then why not on another planet? does not need to be in our own solar system. but maybe in another galaxy. although our solar system is very vast so im not ruling that option out entirely.
Theres truth in what the guy is saying, although i dont think he actually knows why he would even be remotely right. according to big bang theory, there was only 1 element at the time which would be hydrogen. obviously we can make new elements already just add or take electrons; and given statistic probability, there is more likely a chance that there is aliens, even if it might just be bacteria, etc. but even if we did find it, it would turn the world upside down;which isnt gov in interest.
I disagree with Matt on his point that because something would impact society GREATLY...that THATS why it would be common knowledge......I think things that would impact greatly could equally be kept FROM common knowledge out of fear...just an example IF there was solid proof of alien visitation(like an alien craft or alien life)...I think there is a GREAT chance that it would be kept secret for many reasons
Since we have cataloged elements beyond 120, most of which have no stable isotopes, a "completely new" element would have to be beyond that, thus how long would it last? :)
Unless they refer to some sort of "mixture" that is not found on Earth...
Matter is made up of atoms, atoms are made up of neutrons and protons(nucleus), the nucleus is surrounded by electrons. The weight of an atom is the result of the number of electrons circling the nucleus, the more electrons the heavier the atom. The lightest atom is hydrogen, it has one electron. Heaviest(natural) is uranium, 92 electrons. We have found every naturally occurring element. Elements over 92 are man made and highly radioactive(short half-life).
@baldurus1 I'm not as scientist. However I don't know if You're correct when You state We have found every naturally occurring element. Elements are not man made. Compounds are.
@tranquility4all Elements 93-118 are man made, synthesized. Plutonium is probably the most known.
And yes all naturally found elements have been found, just look at the periodic table. The number of an element on the periodic table of elements represents the number of electrons each atom has. All atoms from 1-92 are accounted for. You can't have atoms with half an electron. Like something between hydrogen and helium with 1 and a half electron.
@baldurus1 Yes the Periodic Table lists all known Natural Elements, Are You suggesting there isn't a possibility of Natural Elements which have not been discovered ?
@tranquility4all You don't understand, the reason they are listed from 1(lightest)-92(heaviest) is the number of electrons. The number of electrons is the only thing separating an hydrogen atom from an uranium atom. Plutonium for example does occur in nature, but trough the same processes as we use to synthesize plutonium. And the higher we go the shorter the half-life, ununoctium(element 118) has a half-life of just 0.89 ms. Hard to make an U.F.O out of that. :D
@baldurus1 Please explain what You mean when Your comment ends with :D. I know Plutonium isn't a Natural Element. My Pt. is there is a possibility that We have not discovered all Natural Occurring Elements because We have not explored everywhere on Earth & throughout the Universe. We haven't even discovered all forms of Plant & Animal Life on Earth. Science is the best process We have but It hasn't explained or accounted for everything.
@tranquility4all Elements 1-92(atoms with 1-92 electrons) have been discovered. All above does not occur naturally anywhere, they are a product of fusion. Either in a lab or in a sun.
Can heavier elements than 120(120 is the current heaviest, but we haven't named it yet) exist, sure. They can be produced in stars or in a lab, but they would only last for a fraction of a second(short half-life). There can be no elements between 1-92, because half electrons can't exist.
@baldurus1 I never claimed half electrons exist. You claim no atoms above 92 electrons occur naturally anywhere but they can be produced in Stars. If they're produced in Stars then wouldn't they be occurring Naturally even if it's for a very short time period ?
I appreciate Your input. I hope You don't mind my questions.
No because they would be fused together in a star, for example 2 hydrogen atoms can fuse in a star to form helium atoms. Of course helium occurs naturally, but the heavier elements like plutonium needs fusion to exist. Unlike helium and hydrogen that has been around since the cooling of the Big Bang, the heavier elements are formed by fusion. Elements 1-92 have a very long half-life that's why we classify them as naturally occurring.
@baldurus1 Iron exists because of the fusion billions of years ago, and iron exists still today. That's why iron is considered a natural element. But an element like plutonium, even though plutonium was also "created" billions of years ago, all the plutonium from then has decayed. And all plutonium found today is the result of a "recent" fusion, either by man or a sun.
@baldurus1 Is half life the primary factor which determines whether or not an element occurs naturally ? If fusion occurs in the Sun, then isn't it occurring naturally ? You will have to forgive me if I'm asking elementary questions. Unfortunately I have never seriously studied Chemistry. Please explain what You meant when You ended a previous comment with :D
@tranquility4all I referred to the Alien metals that had been "found". If an U.F.O had been constructed of a heavy element like ununoctium, it would fall apart in seconds because of the short half-life. Hence the smiley. No, it only occurs after the fusion of 2 naturally existing elements. Making it synthetic. I know this is a bit weird, considering all heavy elements like iron, aluminium etc. are the product of fusion in a star.
@baldurus Just because I don't have a complete understanding doesn't mean this is weird. If We combine multiple elements to create a compound it doesn't mean We have created a naturally occurring element. However If an element not a compound is created by forces of Nature isn't this an example of a Naturally occurring element regardless if it has a short half life ? I hope I'm not asking the same question. Thanks for Your patience & willingness to explain something which I'm not familiar with.
I'm a physicist and English isn't my 1st language.
I have also simplified the explanation of lighter to heavier elements, it's not quite as easy as adding electrons to get heavier elements. There are also protons and neutrons.
But the principle is the same.
Natural occurring elements are considered to be the remnants of the Big Bang and the first fusions(~500 million years after the Big Bang). Synthesized are newer.
@baldurus1 English may not be Your first language but You're expressing Yourself better than many People I know who speak only english. I appreciate Your attempt to explain this principle to me. Now it's up to me to do a little independent research. I have thoroughly enjoyed & benefited from Our dialogue.Thank You for Your patience, understanding & insight.
it's good to be skeptical and look at things with a scientific approach , but when you put the blinders on everything and dismiss what ever evidence of aliens , then you destroy the principle of being skeptical and then turn the idea into a joke . do your research people , look at the ancient alien theory , learn filmography , learn basic physics , and then you will know.
@lorndarken I agree that there is a lot of evidence that can show someone willing to be open minded to the nature of aliens existence, I do myself believe there to be life out there that has also visited and influenced (ancient alien theory) but there really isn't anything substantial that would be able to sway a wholehearted non-believer, in the same way atheists ask for proof of god's existence.
@SinceretheGhost there is evidence that is very strong , but it is a matter of perception based on the regards of alien life . most scientist would make the argument of life being a possibility in the universe . what i find ignorant is when skeptics would take the approach of " i do not see it for myself there for i dismiss it "
yet when we look at the said history of countless video tapes and historical accounts that argue against that idea skeptics want to ignore it .
@lorndarken Well, the remains to be true for all things. People always have that mentality sometimes out of ignorance, mostly out of fear, but a lot of skeptics use that same model for all things. It doesn't necessarily make them close minded, it's just a wanting to see something substantial- not what is based on opinion. Regardless of history, there hasn't been much physical evidence (video is questionable), you need to put your belief aside and look at it objectively.
@SinceretheGhost it's not about being closed minded , it's about if someones perception of what they do with science through observing that either makes them logical or just plain stupid when it comes to being skeptical , yes people can take it to far depending on how they want to believe or not believe , but it is also irrational to assume that one possibility can not be reached when the skeptic does not do justice to their own inquiry by remaining ignorant of the research
@lorndarken Yes but in terms of evidence for aliens I would agree that their isn't sufficient evidence to prove they exist or have visited earth beyond my own willingness to be open minded. There is nothing substantial in terms of scientific proof that can verify claims beyond a reasonable doubt and that is what people want in all things. We want it for god, so it should be the same standard for everything- which it is.
@SinceretheGhost if by evidence you want some aliens saying hello im here , then of course that is not around . but if you are looking for evidence of some alien saying hello i was here then there is plenty of that .
@lorndarken I'm not speaking about me specifically, like I said- the evidence that there is I find sufficient to believe but I am much more open minded..I mean in terms of skeptics. Obviously some people want something as much as an alien to actually look at, but there are others who feel they need more than what is available and I think they are certainly justified in that. Everybody is different, doesn't make them all necessarily close minded.
@SinceretheGhost you could have an alien go right up to some skeptics and it explain to these vary same skeptics that it is an alien from another world , and these skeptics would still play the stupid card . there are some skeptics who till this day think the world is flat or that we have never landed on the moon . thats where i put some of these skeptics in the same category , of people who want to be idiots .
These two presenters are not skeptics or atheists as they claim to be, they are just blatantly putting their caller down. One of them even mentions that abductee claimants have psychosis. Fuck that bald motherfucker.
@gordthelord12 He didn't say that they have psychosis, he said that psychosis is a more plausible explanation than "aliens really did come down to Earth". And mental illness is undoubtedly a factor in some accounts. He simply didn't make a list for the sake of time, but other more plausible options would be people being mistaken, people hallucinating due to fatigue, optical illusions, attention-seeking behavior, and so on.
And what does their position on aliens have to do with atheism?
@YaleBreaker When they are accepting calls on the topic I think thats what connects them, but I cant see why atheists would be so interested. Just seems like an excuse for the presenters to try and make themselves feel smart when they are obviously dealing with something they dont agree with because as soon as the guy starts making a point, the one on the right cuts him off.
@gordthelord12 That's partly because they've heard these arguments before. The guy was making a point, but it wasn't a legitimate one ("some of them must have been honest, therefore those accounts must have been true"). They're interested because, in spite of the show's name, in terms of methodology they ascribe more value to critical thinking than to atheism (as they've said before, their atheism is a result of their skepticism, not the other way round).
@gordthelord12 It's true that they're prone to interruptions, but that's generally because, like I said, they've heard these arguments before and want to save time for more callers, and also because they try to stick to one point at a time. The caller was listing a lot of different categories of evidence, each of them arguable, without giving them time to respond to each. RationalWIki's slang term for it is the "Gish Gallop".
If there were beings that could come to earth, they'd be WAY more advanced than us.
They'd have to be able to travel really fast etc. The difference between them and us would be similar to the difference between us and ants. If we build a highway, we don't bother telling the ants near by, as they would not be able to comprehend such largescale projects, nor could we talk to them.
If there are beings that can travel to the earth, they wouldn't care about us as they would have seen many like us.
@MrSchnitzel19 Pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I'm just waiting for the day when a massive jackhammer comes out of the sky to crush us out of the way. :)
@COMMOGSE Indeed, not that we'd know off. Then again, we might really be in the role of the ant, maybe there is a "more evolved" way of thinking. Or even if there isn't, our cognitive thinking capability would be a joke compared to that of "the aliens"
(Of course all of this is just theoretical, but I really think it's likely that the difference would be so huge that we would not be interesting to "them)
considering the size of the universe or even just of the milkyway itself the PROBABILITY that aliens exist is extremely high. there is no evidence that they do exist but in my opinion the probablity that aliens exist is a lot higher than the probability that a god exists. and in this case the argument "because WE exist" isnt half bad. life came to be on our planet, why not on a different world?
im not saying that they DO exist. im just saying that there is an actual chance that theyre out there.
@mApppel I wouldn't say "extremely high", because we have a sample population of one. It's impossible to realistically estimate the possibilities.
That said, once we take the vast scale of the universe into account and remove strong anthropic presuppositions, any real barriers to the possibility of alien life are removed. But the (uncertain) barriers to probability remain.
@YaleBreaker of course its impossible to actually estimate the possibility^^ but still, the fact that we actually came to be tells me that it is entirely possible that the same thing happened somewhere else. the probability doesnt have to be high but it IS there.
im not even talking about life that is as highly developed as it is here on earth!
I believe in Alien intervention. They are the "gods" our ancestors worshiped. I can't prove it, but it's a gut feeling. I think a lot of people have the same gut feeling but are afraid others will laugh at 'em for admitting it. I honestly couldn't give a pickled rat's right buttcheek what anyone thinks of my opinion. We are not alone. Believing that the Universe is full of life and possibly advanced enough to have come to Earth is more plausible than "Goddidit".
@COMMOGSE As an Atheist, I ain't bound to a theist way of thinking. I can imagine a fucking thing I want. There's plenty of folks out there that think just like me. Deal with it. They could have been here a long time and even fucking with our attempts to communicate. And who says there hasn't been any contact? NASA? The government? Since when do they ever tell the fucking truth?
@COMMOGSE The only proof pertaining to aliens are UFO. Presumably, and if these UFOs are indeed ET, it only takes a child to figure out that if a stranger knows his house number, all the stranger would have to do was look in a phonebook. A child can find the source of a strange sound simply by following it.
While there is no evidence for alien visits on Earth, I personally think the universe is far too large to dismiss the possibility of extra terrestrial life.
@Symos Hardly any informed, thinking person dismisses the possibility of extra-terrestrial life. The probability that the Earth is the only planet in the universe that supports lfe is incredibly remote. However, that is not the same thing as saying that there is evidence of extra-terrestrial life. That's what the hosts are saying.
When you dismiss an idea out of hand (aliens) because its not widely known, then you have to ask why anyone you are saying would known about it would not dismiss it out of hand just as you have done.
I remember hearing of people with great genius suffering because it was hard to relate with people. I don't claim to be a genius by any means however I think this conversation is just a taste of that suffering.
you guys forget that mainstream media suppress information - u say if that all is true - that would be common knowlidge - but its totally not the case - cos media is controlled by same people who control government - u guys r tards
@jenssdewalka not all media is government controlled. Where i live, its by a media company and the opinion people have of the government if controlled by them! And since the goal is to sell more copies (for more money) they will publish everything that they think might sell. Including proven discoveries of aliens or mathematical proof of Zeus' existence.
Lol, Atheist here, Aliens do exist, doesn't even have to be proven. Have you heard the line "Conservative estimate of saying life exists on 1 out of a billion planets" There are billions and billions of planets, stars and galaxies out there so there are at least 1 billion planets with life on them, conservative estimate. The question is, how advances are they? And have they visited us or not?
@kingcarcas1349 Totally agree. It's arrogant to think that earth is the ONLY planet in the universe that is supporting life. I would imagine that there are some recently formed planets out there inhabited by lifeforms that are going through their "prehistorc" period. But there might also be life on other planets that are WAY more advanced than we are NOW. There is nothing illogical about believing in aliens.
@kingcarcas1349 doesn't matter how probable or improbable your claim is. It's your burden of proof still, and saying that we're illogical for rejecting your claims that are only based on deductive, metaphysical or philosophical reasoning is pathetic.
You need evidence before your claims can be taken seriously.
Anyway, out of curiosity, how do you calculate the probabillity of an event that, so far as we know, only happened once? How do you know it's 1 out of one billion?
@chinopisces I've learn that a dog go ruff, ruff, and the cat go meeeooooow lol. I love you man but most of all your maker love you, JESUS yes he do, more than I love you.
@chinopisces I've learn that a dog go ruff, ruff, and the cat go meeeooooow lol. I love you man but most of all your maker love you, JESUS yes he do, more than I love you.
@classiq876 So are you, dimwit. At least we evolved critical thinking skills, you're still a fucking plague on the earth. I dare say, you're more like bacteria than us.
@beatonm198 thinking skills? where is it? you have someone thinking for you and telling you what to believe, where is the prove of what you believe, were you there? if i tell you that God is real then then your'e not going to believe, so i tell you if you want to know have some faith then you will see God for yourself, you got to start the car before it can move, so try having some faith then you will get all your prove, dont take it from me. i love you man.
@Tommyr well then you tell me what i saw in a mountainside resort, i may not have seen an alien per se, but i saw a strangely silent pulsating orb pass by the roof window at 10:35pm that night. theres plenty of evidence out there, your just not likely to find it here on youtube due to all the people who make fake vids cus they enjoy messing with people, most people dont speak out about their UFO/Alien experiences cus their afraid of the stupid amount of ridicule out there for that stuff
Iridium is very rare on Earth, and it thought to be non-terrestrial. But it gets here because of meteors, not aliens.
Now this guy likes to use Ocam's Razor, but it works against him in this case. We know meteors can hit planets, so we have evidence of it. Aliens still make an assumption without evidence.
Yes atheist need to brush up on the ET that have been coming in contact. That right there makes me discredit Atheism as well as all others you are undereducated gentle men, find people to represent the Atheist group better. Disclosure project is putting together former gov't emplyees who came in contact with ET since the 40's with written testimonial prepared to go before congress. GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU SOUND LIKE UNEDUCATED silly billys.
@jgSOCIALPROXIMITY Makes you discredit Atheism? What do the sole views of the hosts on this show have anything to do with Atheism? Like, I met a christian who didn't believe in bigfoot, so I discredited christianity
Since the Christian God does not live on Earth, but sent his son here to return, beamed back up, in effect, Yahweh is 'AN ALIEN', a mind reading, virgin screwing, mean, impatient, baby drowning, animal drowning, maniac. If HE returns he'd have to be arraigned for his numerous sectarian GENOCIDES, and the mass drowning of birds, animals, reptiles, insects, etc. (SPCA come on!) This is not an alien we want in our solar system. I say (unto you) FUCK OFF GOD, you've caused enough shit for 1 alien.
if their sat whatching the three stuges and abbot and costello imagine how weird they'll think we are, how fuzzy will their heads be after a couple of rounds of who's on first base.
what people forget is that by the laws of probability that other life forms must exist in the universe though not necessarily at the same time or even anywhere close by. However IF other alien life were present now AND it comes to Earth over the distance of millions of light years there are only 2 outcomes:
They appear publicly to make themselves known.
They hide themselves completely in order to observe us.
@COMMOGSE indeed. However, if they are sufficiently far enough away the Redshift of the transmission will be such that they can tell its a "artificial" signal but then they would have to blueshift it back into ausable signal, and then they would have to be able to interpret what the heck the weird hairless apes are saying....unless they happen to watch alot of Sesame Street too.
This alien invasion is brought to you by the Letter A and the number 6....lol
@RelativelyHostile1 Just remember, though, that oxygen is not necessary for life and is not necessarily indicative of life. I also do believe that there may be some sort of life out there somewhere in the universe, but I say that tentatively since there is no real evidence.
@TheWhiteShadow42 yeah, but there are so many planets in the universe that i think at least one other planet apart from earth can have the correct conditions for life to occur.
@RelativelyHostile1 I would like to think that, but very very tentatively. Toward this, I almost have no opinion because of how little we know about the planets of the universe so far.
I love how these guys denounce the caller outright. Im an atheist and I am a very educated man, but to say that "there is no requirement to disprove God..." is ignoring the question. The caller identified himself as a christian, but that doesn't mean he was attacking atheim, and was actually supporting atheism through the overwhelming evidence of extraterrestrial contact. I usuall find these guys to be intelliegent, but this was rather ignorant. UFOs do exsist, and it could be proven in a court.
That is why they tap into cloning and stem cell research. But these things are not actually creating but trying to emulate the Creator. Yes animals have evolved and forced to adapt to their environment and humans can too. That is how we were hard wired. This is how our Creator created us, we adapt,overcome,or we give up and die!!
Man was not created from nothing!! God forbid, we were all created from substance, something tangible, something very real outside of what your senses tells you is real. It is called LIFE. God is life, the giver of life. 2 dead people cannot procreate. But 2 people who are very much alive can. Why is this possible?? Because the one who is life allows this to be and scientist can't accept that because it takes away from their profession which is to disprove creation!!
God is spirit, the only way to comprehend the existence of God is to live in the spirit that way you will walk in the spirit and understand the spirit nature of his existence. if these two keep questioning about God in non spiritual way they will never gonna get the answer.
If i could also ask a question ok? could someone please explain why do we have voices inside of us that tells us to do go or evil? How did they come to live inside of us? and Why cant we see them but only feel them?
God is not Spirit. He created Energy, Time, Space, Matter and Spirit, therefore he must be external to each.
But humans are not Physical, we are Spirit. Our bodies are just tools made of Matter that allow our actual selves, our spirits, to connect with our souls, which connect with our minds, which in turn connect with our bodies.
That is why in the next life, where our true selves, our Spirits are exposed, the Mind, Soul, and body are redundant.
There are two 'voices' which speak to us in our concience. Our 'Nafs' or animal, earthly side, of which calls for our needs and desires (of which some of the latter are sinful (harmful to the Spirit)) calls us to do some good, neutral and bad things.
Our other side is our human, spiritual side, which makes us capable of charity and art. It calls for our spiritual desires, and also needs, some are harmful to our bodies.
What we must do is listen to both cleverly, in moderation.
All elements with a higher atomic number than lead (82) are radioactive.
All elements with a higher atomic number than plutonium (94) are atificial elements and do not exist in nature.
There cannot be any unknown elements , simply because the artificial ones with very high numbers that were created so far , only exist for a nanosecond , before they decay.
@COMMOGSE who said i was hiding? i thougth youd have the IQ to realize i just decided to stop arguing with people who cant grasp the fact that Science isnt absolute
All elements with a higher atomic number than lead (82) are radioactive .
All elements with a higher atomic number than plutonium (94) are artificial elements and do not exist in nature.
There cannot be any unknown elements since the artificial ones with very high atomic numbers that were created so far , are only stable for a nanosecond before they decay.
@COMMOGSE how hard is it to understand that Science is never absolute? and that we dont know diddly shit about the rest of the universe? so there may be many elements we do not currently know exist because they have not been discovered by us humans
the problem is your argument seems to indicate that Science is absolute when that is NEVER true
@COMMOGSE Actualy the element is only dependant on the number of protons the number of electrons (the same as neutrons) may varry in the element creatind ions.
@COMMOGSE i think your the one thats confused, you dont see me talking in half-capslock, and if there were unknown elements not yet discovered by human science, how would you know if they decay or not? the point is you simply dont know, so your making blind assumptions based on the limitations of human science, how do you know if in 50-100 years they dont discover even a few non-radioactive elements or even radioactive ones
@COMMOGSE also xsmopsis i believe was commenting to correct you, but who am i to interpret someone elses words? and yes i took plenty of science classes in school, i know what your talking about, but what im saying is that there is not a 100% certainty that current knowledge of the Periodic Elements is all there is to it,
@Lavos2007 Not one scientist would say that they have all the answers. NOT ONE. They are constantly looking for more data/facts to help verify their data and further our understanding of things. Science is based on data. Religion is based on nonsense for which no evidence exists. Sorry but that's the way things are. Not my fault.
@Lavos2007 Science makes a big assumption that the whole universe works in the same way that our little corner of the universe does. It is, however, a reasonable assumption as there is no data from our observations which indicate otherwise.
@jacksawild your telling me, an atheist, this why? im aware that science is not ever 100% certain, thats what im tryin to beat into that idiot who's been arguing with me, i fully support science, i dont beleive in religions or a sacred invisible deity, but that idiot doesnt understand Science is not absolute and he is trying to act like it IS, if you have issue with that then go talk to him about it, im sure COMMOGSE will just spout more "science has all the answers to ever exist" BS
@COMMOGSE says the person who blabs pointless bullshit and didnt stop commenting on me last time i tried to stop, and i believe i wasnt talking to you with the recent 2 comments i made to Tommyr
@COMMOGSE instead of making another stupid comment to assert your assumption of how science works, why didnt you just leave it alone? i think Tommyr has mroe understanding of science than you do, you seem to think that the whole universe works the way our tiny part of it does, but how do you know for sure it does? as TheAtheistExperience says: the burden of proof is on those who make assertions, your asserting science is absolute, so prove it
@COMMOGSE idiot... just because they dont exist in nature doesnt mean they dont exist thats like saying Concrete doesnt exist cus it wasnt made in nature, and your asserting that just because something works in human science means that applies to the rest of the universe, which how would you know if it does or doesnt? unless you can provide evidence that the rest of the universe works the same way as human science, your case is invalid
Aaah, it's funny how little normal people really know.
Now it's possible there are SUBSTANCES in the universe we don't have on earth. We can after all create substances in a lab that don't occur in nature. New alloys, new materials, even odd things like superfluids. And some new materials chemists and the like craft are very recent inventions that never existed before on this planet.
But their not new ELEMENTS. This caller doesn't know what an element actually is.
Although of course speaking of new ELEMENTS, we create those too. It's just that they don't last very long. Ultraheavy elements are extremely unstable.
there is lots of evidence out there to support aliens existing, but that doenst automatically mean it would be world-class news, while there are people interested in the existence of aliens, theirs also skeptics and cover-up agents in governments, if existence of aliens was announced, it would cause panic and histaria, just like the original Radio reading of War of the Worlds, people were being a read a book and suddenly the nation was on fire with people thinking aliens from mars were invading
usually i love these guys videos, but this one was a little foolish on their part, they should really do some looking into about Mr. Liere or however you spell his name, he has removed things from peoples bodies that exibit strange qualities and features like Radiation Emission and Radio signals that seem to stop coming from the objects when their removed from the body, and one of the objects he removed was made of like 5 different metals, 3 of them not existing on earth but in our solar system
@COMMOGSE i never said anything about unknown elements dumbass but jsut like Theists cant prove their gods or religion are correct and real, neither cna we prove that aliens and many things we dont know about the universe are or arent, who's to sya the periodic tables have everything there is as far as elements? thats bascially syaing we know every element that does and will ever exist despite how little we know about our universe outside our solar system
@COMMOGSE besides, the periodic table of elements was not always as big of a list of elements as it was when it was first created, because thats right, new elements were discovered and ADDED to the periodic tables, so how can you so easilly dismiss that there very may well be metals, compounds, elements and many other material things in the universe that we simply dont have knowledge of? thats why science exists, to search for the answers/truth about our world and universe
@COMMOGSE and sorry, messed up my wording there, the periodic table of elements was initially not as big as it is currently because not all of the elements it lists were discovered when it was first created/drafted, so in time they were added to it, science is never absolute, what people believe in science one day could very well be true or sometimes even false in a year or more later as new information and discoveries are made which validate or invalidate previous knowledge
@COMMOGSE no i havent responded cus unlike you i have need for sleep on occasion, plus its not interesting to argue with someone who cant grasp basic concepts and has the IQ of a 5 year old, seriously, your just too stupid, if you wish to make an argument next time bring up points that cant be easilly refuted with pure 5th grade science fact, did you really think the Periodic Tables were always as large as they are now? that is why i call you stupid
@Lavos2007 The periodic table of the elements was always the same size. When it was created, everything was filled in that was known at the time, but there were also spaces left because there had to be something there. Mendeleev knew that there had to be more, and he knew where they would be. In time, those gaps have been filled and we have completed the table.
@chicken11999933 well my point still stands, even if Mendeleev knew there were elements out there not on the table, then does that not make them prior to discovery "unknown elements"? they had to be discovered, named and documented before they could be added to such a table, science doesnt just discover something and just give it a name and thats it, theres lots of stuff that has to be done for it to be officially recognized by science
@Lavos2007 What would be the missing atomic number? You're talking bullshit and are too dumb to even understand WHY you're talking bullshit. A few people have tried to help you all you do is repeat blather without bothering to even LOOK at a periodic table you ignoramus
@chicken11999933 for example Scientific Names for Animals/Plants/etc werent just concocted out of thin air to sound neat/silly/etc, the system was created to serve a purpose and even to this day its still "evolving" so to speak, as new animals/plants/etc are being discovered all the time, some are relatives of known species while others arent, thats why Scientific Names exist, they are there to identify wildlife across barriers such as different spoken/written languages
@chicken11999933 jsut because we have a current Periodic Table of elements that has no unfilled slots, does not mean we have the absolute list of lal known elements in the universe, thats almost like saying that humans have discovered every known marine wildlife species that lives in the Abyssal Plains of the oceans, when in fact science knows relatively little of the oceans extreme depths and has searched very little of its global area
@chicken11999933 but just like almost every other science, new things are constantly being discovered, so who's to say at some point in the future we wont discover 1 or more new Elements that may or may not exist on earth? i think its foolish to think we know everything about Elements when we havent even fully explored and discovered the rest of the planets in our own solar system much less the galaxy, as some planets have too dangerous of conditions for safe use of a Rover
@chicken11999933 also you must realize, although Mendelev and many famous scientists WERE very intelligent, depending on the time whence they lived, there could easilly have been discoveries/breakthroughs since their death that invalidate some or all of what they said was right, a scientist is only as good as his tools of his time can allow, Darwin made Evolution theory, since his time, weve made countless discoveries that prove him right, things he didnt even know/speculate on
@chicken11999933 in more recent years weve completely mapped the Human Genome, and weve even identified the genetic link that was where Humans branched off from Apes and Chimps, Darwin was right in his theory, but this was stuff he just couldnt do in his lifetime, the technology required to analyze and discover it all just didnt exist back then, so once again, Science is NEVER Absolute, there will always be things out there waiting to be discovered
Aliens most likely exist. There are countless planets in countless galaxies and maybe even other dimensions besides this one. I don't think that God is real because why would he create all those galaxies and planets if we're the only one with life on it? What's the point?
lasoogneypubes 15 hours ago
Aliens almost certainly exist. However, every life-form on this planet evolved from the same creature, and as thus we're very similar. You might not think it, but we are. A creature that evolved completely differently may be like nothing we could ever imagine. They might have no need for bacteria or a brain, or even sight or smell. Smell might be a completely amazing and impossible thing to them.
MyFaceBurns 2 days ago
i think if life evolved on this planet then why not on another planet? does not need to be in our own solar system. but maybe in another galaxy. although our solar system is very vast so im not ruling that option out entirely.
ThaDopist 2 days ago
are we aliens to other worlds pondering us?
setmedic 3 days ago
Theres truth in what the guy is saying, although i dont think he actually knows why he would even be remotely right. according to big bang theory, there was only 1 element at the time which would be hydrogen. obviously we can make new elements already just add or take electrons; and given statistic probability, there is more likely a chance that there is aliens, even if it might just be bacteria, etc. but even if we did find it, it would turn the world upside down;which isnt gov in interest.
slitheredxscars 3 days ago
I disagree with Matt on his point that because something would impact society GREATLY...that THATS why it would be common knowledge......I think things that would impact greatly could equally be kept FROM common knowledge out of fear...just an example IF there was solid proof of alien visitation(like an alien craft or alien life)...I think there is a GREAT chance that it would be kept secret for many reasons
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Since we have cataloged elements beyond 120, most of which have no stable isotopes, a "completely new" element would have to be beyond that, thus how long would it last? :)
Unless they refer to some sort of "mixture" that is not found on Earth...
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pedazodeboludo 4 days ago
Someone slept trough chemistry.
Matter is made up of atoms, atoms are made up of neutrons and protons(nucleus), the nucleus is surrounded by electrons. The weight of an atom is the result of the number of electrons circling the nucleus, the more electrons the heavier the atom. The lightest atom is hydrogen, it has one electron. Heaviest(natural) is uranium, 92 electrons. We have found every naturally occurring element. Elements over 92 are man made and highly radioactive(short half-life).
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus1 I'm not as scientist. However I don't know if You're correct when You state We have found every naturally occurring element. Elements are not man made. Compounds are.
tranquility4all 4 days ago
@tranquility4all Elements 93-118 are man made, synthesized. Plutonium is probably the most known.
And yes all naturally found elements have been found, just look at the periodic table. The number of an element on the periodic table of elements represents the number of electrons each atom has. All atoms from 1-92 are accounted for. You can't have atoms with half an electron. Like something between hydrogen and helium with 1 and a half electron.
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus1 Yes the Periodic Table lists all known Natural Elements, Are You suggesting there isn't a possibility of Natural Elements which have not been discovered ?
tranquility4all 4 days ago
@tranquility4all You don't understand, the reason they are listed from 1(lightest)-92(heaviest) is the number of electrons. The number of electrons is the only thing separating an hydrogen atom from an uranium atom. Plutonium for example does occur in nature, but trough the same processes as we use to synthesize plutonium. And the higher we go the shorter the half-life, ununoctium(element 118) has a half-life of just 0.89 ms. Hard to make an U.F.O out of that. :D
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus1 Please explain what You mean when Your comment ends with :D. I know Plutonium isn't a Natural Element. My Pt. is there is a possibility that We have not discovered all Natural Occurring Elements because We have not explored everywhere on Earth & throughout the Universe. We haven't even discovered all forms of Plant & Animal Life on Earth. Science is the best process We have but It hasn't explained or accounted for everything.
tranquility4all 4 days ago
@tranquility4all Elements 1-92(atoms with 1-92 electrons) have been discovered. All above does not occur naturally anywhere, they are a product of fusion. Either in a lab or in a sun.
Can heavier elements than 120(120 is the current heaviest, but we haven't named it yet) exist, sure. They can be produced in stars or in a lab, but they would only last for a fraction of a second(short half-life). There can be no elements between 1-92, because half electrons can't exist.
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus1 I never claimed half electrons exist. You claim no atoms above 92 electrons occur naturally anywhere but they can be produced in Stars. If they're produced in Stars then wouldn't they be occurring Naturally even if it's for a very short time period ?
I appreciate Your input. I hope You don't mind my questions.
tranquility4all 4 days ago
@tranquility4all Not at all.
No because they would be fused together in a star, for example 2 hydrogen atoms can fuse in a star to form helium atoms. Of course helium occurs naturally, but the heavier elements like plutonium needs fusion to exist. Unlike helium and hydrogen that has been around since the cooling of the Big Bang, the heavier elements are formed by fusion. Elements 1-92 have a very long half-life that's why we classify them as naturally occurring.
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus1 Iron exists because of the fusion billions of years ago, and iron exists still today. That's why iron is considered a natural element. But an element like plutonium, even though plutonium was also "created" billions of years ago, all the plutonium from then has decayed. And all plutonium found today is the result of a "recent" fusion, either by man or a sun.
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus1 Is half life the primary factor which determines whether or not an element occurs naturally ? If fusion occurs in the Sun, then isn't it occurring naturally ? You will have to forgive me if I'm asking elementary questions. Unfortunately I have never seriously studied Chemistry. Please explain what You meant when You ended a previous comment with :D
tranquility4all 4 days ago
@tranquility4all I referred to the Alien metals that had been "found". If an U.F.O had been constructed of a heavy element like ununoctium, it would fall apart in seconds because of the short half-life. Hence the smiley. No, it only occurs after the fusion of 2 naturally existing elements. Making it synthetic. I know this is a bit weird, considering all heavy elements like iron, aluminium etc. are the product of fusion in a star.
baldurus1 4 days ago
@baldurus Just because I don't have a complete understanding doesn't mean this is weird. If We combine multiple elements to create a compound it doesn't mean We have created a naturally occurring element. However If an element not a compound is created by forces of Nature isn't this an example of a Naturally occurring element regardless if it has a short half life ? I hope I'm not asking the same question. Thanks for Your patience & willingness to explain something which I'm not familiar with.
tranquility4all 3 days ago
@tranquility4all Well i'm no expert in chemistry either.
I'm a physicist and English isn't my 1st language.
I have also simplified the explanation of lighter to heavier elements, it's not quite as easy as adding electrons to get heavier elements. There are also protons and neutrons.
But the principle is the same.
Natural occurring elements are considered to be the remnants of the Big Bang and the first fusions(~500 million years after the Big Bang). Synthesized are newer.
baldurus1 3 days ago
@baldurus1 English may not be Your first language but You're expressing Yourself better than many People I know who speak only english. I appreciate Your attempt to explain this principle to me. Now it's up to me to do a little independent research. I have thoroughly enjoyed & benefited from Our dialogue.Thank You for Your patience, understanding & insight.
Respectfully.
tranquility4all 3 days ago
@tranquility4all Thank you.
And if you have any physics or cosmology related questions, feel free to ask.
I can probably answer those a little better than chemistry questions.
Best wishes.
baldurus1 3 days ago
@baldurus1
You're welcome.
I will probably be sending You a PM concerning Physics & Cosmology.
Regards
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@baldurus1
You're welcome.
I will probably be sending You a PM concerning Physics & Cosmology.
Regards
tranquility4all 3 days ago
@baldurus1
It is much simpler than that !
There are no unknown elements in this universe.
COMMOGSE 2 days ago
@COMMOGSE That's what i told him.
baldurus1 2 days ago
@tranquility4all Also, how stable an atoms isotope is also a deciding factor to whether it is naturally occurring or synthetic.
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Michael55443 4 days ago
proof for god ? none .
proof for aliens ? plenty !!!
it's good to be skeptical and look at things with a scientific approach , but when you put the blinders on everything and dismiss what ever evidence of aliens , then you destroy the principle of being skeptical and then turn the idea into a joke . do your research people , look at the ancient alien theory , learn filmography , learn basic physics , and then you will know.
lorndarken 1 week ago
@lorndarken I agree that there is a lot of evidence that can show someone willing to be open minded to the nature of aliens existence, I do myself believe there to be life out there that has also visited and influenced (ancient alien theory) but there really isn't anything substantial that would be able to sway a wholehearted non-believer, in the same way atheists ask for proof of god's existence.
SinceretheGhost 4 days ago
@SinceretheGhost there is evidence that is very strong , but it is a matter of perception based on the regards of alien life . most scientist would make the argument of life being a possibility in the universe . what i find ignorant is when skeptics would take the approach of " i do not see it for myself there for i dismiss it "
yet when we look at the said history of countless video tapes and historical accounts that argue against that idea skeptics want to ignore it .
lorndarken 4 days ago
@lorndarken Well, the remains to be true for all things. People always have that mentality sometimes out of ignorance, mostly out of fear, but a lot of skeptics use that same model for all things. It doesn't necessarily make them close minded, it's just a wanting to see something substantial- not what is based on opinion. Regardless of history, there hasn't been much physical evidence (video is questionable), you need to put your belief aside and look at it objectively.
SinceretheGhost 3 days ago
@SinceretheGhost it's not about being closed minded , it's about if someones perception of what they do with science through observing that either makes them logical or just plain stupid when it comes to being skeptical , yes people can take it to far depending on how they want to believe or not believe , but it is also irrational to assume that one possibility can not be reached when the skeptic does not do justice to their own inquiry by remaining ignorant of the research
lorndarken 3 days ago
@lorndarken Yes but in terms of evidence for aliens I would agree that their isn't sufficient evidence to prove they exist or have visited earth beyond my own willingness to be open minded. There is nothing substantial in terms of scientific proof that can verify claims beyond a reasonable doubt and that is what people want in all things. We want it for god, so it should be the same standard for everything- which it is.
SinceretheGhost 3 days ago
@SinceretheGhost if by evidence you want some aliens saying hello im here , then of course that is not around . but if you are looking for evidence of some alien saying hello i was here then there is plenty of that .
lorndarken 3 days ago
@lorndarken I'm not speaking about me specifically, like I said- the evidence that there is I find sufficient to believe but I am much more open minded..I mean in terms of skeptics. Obviously some people want something as much as an alien to actually look at, but there are others who feel they need more than what is available and I think they are certainly justified in that. Everybody is different, doesn't make them all necessarily close minded.
SinceretheGhost 2 days ago
@SinceretheGhost you could have an alien go right up to some skeptics and it explain to these vary same skeptics that it is an alien from another world , and these skeptics would still play the stupid card . there are some skeptics who till this day think the world is flat or that we have never landed on the moon . thats where i put some of these skeptics in the same category , of people who want to be idiots .
lorndarken 2 days ago
I dunno dude they just seem too smug and "know-it-all" like to give their skepticism any credibility, thats just my thoughts though.
gordthelord12 1 week ago
These two presenters are not skeptics or atheists as they claim to be, they are just blatantly putting their caller down. One of them even mentions that abductee claimants have psychosis. Fuck that bald motherfucker.
gordthelord12 1 week ago
@gordthelord12 He didn't say that they have psychosis, he said that psychosis is a more plausible explanation than "aliens really did come down to Earth". And mental illness is undoubtedly a factor in some accounts. He simply didn't make a list for the sake of time, but other more plausible options would be people being mistaken, people hallucinating due to fatigue, optical illusions, attention-seeking behavior, and so on.
And what does their position on aliens have to do with atheism?
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
@YaleBreaker When they are accepting calls on the topic I think thats what connects them, but I cant see why atheists would be so interested. Just seems like an excuse for the presenters to try and make themselves feel smart when they are obviously dealing with something they dont agree with because as soon as the guy starts making a point, the one on the right cuts him off.
gordthelord12 1 week ago
@gordthelord12 That's partly because they've heard these arguments before. The guy was making a point, but it wasn't a legitimate one ("some of them must have been honest, therefore those accounts must have been true"). They're interested because, in spite of the show's name, in terms of methodology they ascribe more value to critical thinking than to atheism (as they've said before, their atheism is a result of their skepticism, not the other way round).
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
@gordthelord12 It's true that they're prone to interruptions, but that's generally because, like I said, they've heard these arguments before and want to save time for more callers, and also because they try to stick to one point at a time. The caller was listing a lot of different categories of evidence, each of them arguable, without giving them time to respond to each. RationalWIki's slang term for it is the "Gish Gallop".
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
If there were beings that could come to earth, they'd be WAY more advanced than us.
They'd have to be able to travel really fast etc. The difference between them and us would be similar to the difference between us and ants. If we build a highway, we don't bother telling the ants near by, as they would not be able to comprehend such largescale projects, nor could we talk to them.
If there are beings that can travel to the earth, they wouldn't care about us as they would have seen many like us.
MrSchnitzel19 1 week ago
@MrSchnitzel19 Pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I'm just waiting for the day when a massive jackhammer comes out of the sky to crush us out of the way. :)
gordthelord12 1 week ago
@MrSchnitzel19
Nice Michio Kaku quote by the way !
COMMOGSE 1 week ago
@COMMOGSE
Yep :D
MrSchnitzel19 1 week ago
@MrSchnitzel19
Which i personally think is wrong , since ants do not have any cognitive thinking capability .
But who am i to question the great Kaku .
COMMOGSE 1 week ago
@COMMOGSE Indeed, not that we'd know off. Then again, we might really be in the role of the ant, maybe there is a "more evolved" way of thinking. Or even if there isn't, our cognitive thinking capability would be a joke compared to that of "the aliens"
(Of course all of this is just theoretical, but I really think it's likely that the difference would be so huge that we would not be interesting to "them)
MrSchnitzel19 1 week ago
In space, You're the alien mothafucka!
gordthelord12 1 week ago
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PoisonousJaws 1 week ago
i love this shit!!!!!!!!
2yung4grey 1 week ago
considering the size of the universe or even just of the milkyway itself the PROBABILITY that aliens exist is extremely high. there is no evidence that they do exist but in my opinion the probablity that aliens exist is a lot higher than the probability that a god exists. and in this case the argument "because WE exist" isnt half bad. life came to be on our planet, why not on a different world?
im not saying that they DO exist. im just saying that there is an actual chance that theyre out there.
mApppel 1 week ago
@mApppel I wouldn't say "extremely high", because we have a sample population of one. It's impossible to realistically estimate the possibilities.
That said, once we take the vast scale of the universe into account and remove strong anthropic presuppositions, any real barriers to the possibility of alien life are removed. But the (uncertain) barriers to probability remain.
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
@YaleBreaker of course its impossible to actually estimate the possibility^^ but still, the fact that we actually came to be tells me that it is entirely possible that the same thing happened somewhere else. the probability doesnt have to be high but it IS there.
im not even talking about life that is as highly developed as it is here on earth!
mApppel 1 week ago
@mApppel Sure, I agree.
YaleBreaker 1 week ago
There is no evidence for the existence of aliens -none at all.
yatter1 1 week ago in playlist Popular
@yatter1 and not for god either
Fredrich1337 1 week ago
@Fredrich1337 absolutely correct
yatter1 1 week ago
I believe in Alien intervention. They are the "gods" our ancestors worshiped. I can't prove it, but it's a gut feeling. I think a lot of people have the same gut feeling but are afraid others will laugh at 'em for admitting it. I honestly couldn't give a pickled rat's right buttcheek what anyone thinks of my opinion. We are not alone. Believing that the Universe is full of life and possibly advanced enough to have come to Earth is more plausible than "Goddidit".
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago 2
@TheCrimsonification
We have never been visited by aliens.
We have only been sending out wireless signals for about 100 years.
That means intelligent aliens could only be within a 50 lightyear distance.
COMMOGSE 1 week ago
@COMMOGSE As an Atheist, I ain't bound to a theist way of thinking. I can imagine a fucking thing I want. There's plenty of folks out there that think just like me. Deal with it. They could have been here a long time and even fucking with our attempts to communicate. And who says there hasn't been any contact? NASA? The government? Since when do they ever tell the fucking truth?
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@TheCrimsonification
How would they have known we exist , if we only been sending out radio signals for about 100 years ?
They just went on a lucky mission ?
COMMOGSE 1 week ago
@COMMOGSE The only proof pertaining to aliens are UFO. Presumably, and if these UFOs are indeed ET, it only takes a child to figure out that if a stranger knows his house number, all the stranger would have to do was look in a phonebook. A child can find the source of a strange sound simply by following it.
TheOkami1113 1 week ago
While there is no evidence for alien visits on Earth, I personally think the universe is far too large to dismiss the possibility of extra terrestrial life.
Symos 1 week ago
@Symos I admit at this time this is at best a hypothesis
Symos 1 week ago
@Symos Hardly any informed, thinking person dismisses the possibility of extra-terrestrial life. The probability that the Earth is the only planet in the universe that supports lfe is incredibly remote. However, that is not the same thing as saying that there is evidence of extra-terrestrial life. That's what the hosts are saying.
mikelheron20 1 week ago
When you dismiss an idea out of hand (aliens) because its not widely known, then you have to ask why anyone you are saying would known about it would not dismiss it out of hand just as you have done.
Estragon17 2 weeks ago
I remember hearing of people with great genius suffering because it was hard to relate with people. I don't claim to be a genius by any means however I think this conversation is just a taste of that suffering.
manderpino 2 weeks ago
HEHE , i think he may also believe that planes all drop Chemtrails instead of Contrails
dabois85 3 weeks ago
you guys forget that mainstream media suppress information - u say if that all is true - that would be common knowlidge - but its totally not the case - cos media is controlled by same people who control government - u guys r tards
jenssdewalka 3 weeks ago
@jenssdewalka not all media is government controlled. Where i live, its by a media company and the opinion people have of the government if controlled by them! And since the goal is to sell more copies (for more money) they will publish everything that they think might sell. Including proven discoveries of aliens or mathematical proof of Zeus' existence.
ErgoProxy12345 3 weeks ago
Lol, Atheist here, Aliens do exist, doesn't even have to be proven. Have you heard the line "Conservative estimate of saying life exists on 1 out of a billion planets" There are billions and billions of planets, stars and galaxies out there so there are at least 1 billion planets with life on them, conservative estimate. The question is, how advances are they? And have they visited us or not?
kingcarcas1349 3 weeks ago
@kingcarcas1349 Totally agree. It's arrogant to think that earth is the ONLY planet in the universe that is supporting life. I would imagine that there are some recently formed planets out there inhabited by lifeforms that are going through their "prehistorc" period. But there might also be life on other planets that are WAY more advanced than we are NOW. There is nothing illogical about believing in aliens.
dkthg 3 weeks ago in playlist Atheist Experience
@kingcarcas1349 doesn't matter how probable or improbable your claim is. It's your burden of proof still, and saying that we're illogical for rejecting your claims that are only based on deductive, metaphysical or philosophical reasoning is pathetic.
You need evidence before your claims can be taken seriously.
Anyway, out of curiosity, how do you calculate the probabillity of an event that, so far as we know, only happened once? How do you know it's 1 out of one billion?
nejtilsvampe 3 weeks ago
I JUST LEARN THAT ATHEIST ARE A WALKING, TALKING BACTERIA.
classiq876 3 weeks ago
@classiq876: I doubt you've ever learned anything, ever.
chinopisces 3 weeks ago
@chinopisces I've learn that a dog go ruff, ruff, and the cat go meeeooooow lol. I love you man but most of all your maker love you, JESUS yes he do, more than I love you.
classiq876 3 weeks ago
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@chinopisces I've learn that a dog go ruff, ruff, and the cat go meeeooooow lol. I love you man but most of all your maker love you, JESUS yes he do, more than I love you.
classiq876 3 weeks ago
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@classiq876: I doubt you've ever learned anything, ever.
chinopisces 3 weeks ago
@classiq876 So are you, dimwit. At least we evolved critical thinking skills, you're still a fucking plague on the earth. I dare say, you're more like bacteria than us.
beatonm198 3 weeks ago
@beatonm198 thinking skills? where is it? you have someone thinking for you and telling you what to believe, where is the prove of what you believe, were you there? if i tell you that God is real then then your'e not going to believe, so i tell you if you want to know have some faith then you will see God for yourself, you got to start the car before it can move, so try having some faith then you will get all your prove, dont take it from me. i love you man.
classiq876 3 weeks ago
There is no tangible, viable evidence for alien visitations to Earth. PERIOD. Just like for a God.
Tommyr 4 weeks ago
@Tommyr well then you tell me what i saw in a mountainside resort, i may not have seen an alien per se, but i saw a strangely silent pulsating orb pass by the roof window at 10:35pm that night. theres plenty of evidence out there, your just not likely to find it here on youtube due to all the people who make fake vids cus they enjoy messing with people, most people dont speak out about their UFO/Alien experiences cus their afraid of the stupid amount of ridicule out there for that stuff
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
Iridium is very rare on Earth, and it thought to be non-terrestrial. But it gets here because of meteors, not aliens.
Now this guy likes to use Ocam's Razor, but it works against him in this case. We know meteors can hit planets, so we have evidence of it. Aliens still make an assumption without evidence.
JesterAzazel 1 month ago 9
@JesterAzazel couldn't agree more. speculation is not evidence.
TheFrustratedAtheist 4 days ago
Yes atheist need to brush up on the ET that have been coming in contact. That right there makes me discredit Atheism as well as all others you are undereducated gentle men, find people to represent the Atheist group better. Disclosure project is putting together former gov't emplyees who came in contact with ET since the 40's with written testimonial prepared to go before congress. GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU SOUND LIKE UNEDUCATED silly billys.
jgSOCIALPROXIMITY 1 month ago
@jgSOCIALPROXIMITY
Your written testimonials arent worth the paper they are written on !
There are just as many testimonials for jesus , god , the virgin mary , santa claus , elvis and superman.
They are either all true or all fake , you be the judge , its as simple as that !
Its better to believe in science !
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@jgSOCIALPROXIMITY
"GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU SOUND LIKE UNEDUCATED silly billys."
The irony in that sentence is absolutely delectable.
scoreunder 1 month ago
@jgSOCIALPROXIMITY Makes you discredit Atheism? What do the sole views of the hosts on this show have anything to do with Atheism? Like, I met a christian who didn't believe in bigfoot, so I discredited christianity
TeamJeaneus 1 month ago
Disclosure project dot org!!!! get with the program!!!!! do some research if your going to find something
jgSOCIALPROXIMITY 1 month ago
Since the Christian God does not live on Earth, but sent his son here to return, beamed back up, in effect, Yahweh is 'AN ALIEN', a mind reading, virgin screwing, mean, impatient, baby drowning, animal drowning, maniac. If HE returns he'd have to be arraigned for his numerous sectarian GENOCIDES, and the mass drowning of birds, animals, reptiles, insects, etc. (SPCA come on!) This is not an alien we want in our solar system. I say (unto you) FUCK OFF GOD, you've caused enough shit for 1 alien.
nzobriens 1 month ago
I clicked on this video thinking maybe I'd comment... but this guy is going nowhere with his argument... sorry guy.
rbx01x 1 month ago
im napoleon Bonaparte and im offended by this :P
bonkuraysan 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE and @OkamsRazer
if their sat whatching the three stuges and abbot and costello imagine how weird they'll think we are, how fuzzy will their heads be after a couple of rounds of who's on first base.
steveakam 1 month ago
Aliens are actually like god.
There is little scientific evidence to prove either's existence
People claim to have had contact with both.
Many of those will fight to the death to prove their belief true.
The people who belive ferverently in both often come from the same part of the country.
If either does exist, then the way they play around with our lives is pretty damn sick.
AnimeGeek441 1 month ago
what people forget is that by the laws of probability that other life forms must exist in the universe though not necessarily at the same time or even anywhere close by. However IF other alien life were present now AND it comes to Earth over the distance of millions of light years there are only 2 outcomes:
They appear publicly to make themselves known.
They hide themselves completely in order to observe us.
They wouldn't be playing "cosmic peekaboo".
OkamsRazer 1 month ago
@OkamsRazer
There is no need to visit us .
Everything they ever wanted to know about us , can be found on TV.
There are millions of history, science and other educational programs blasted into space daily all over the world , in all languages.
They might be 20or30 lightyears away watching the A-team or MacGyver , thinking its the greatest shit in the universe .
No need to come here , just turn on earth tv !
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE indeed. However, if they are sufficiently far enough away the Redshift of the transmission will be such that they can tell its a "artificial" signal but then they would have to blueshift it back into ausable signal, and then they would have to be able to interpret what the heck the weird hairless apes are saying....unless they happen to watch alot of Sesame Street too.
This alien invasion is brought to you by the Letter A and the number 6....lol
OkamsRazer 1 month ago
I think that alien life is probably out there, e.g. signs of water on mars, and bacterial fossils found on martian rock.
RelativelyHostile1 1 month ago
@RelativelyHostile1 Just remember, though, that oxygen is not necessary for life and is not necessarily indicative of life. I also do believe that there may be some sort of life out there somewhere in the universe, but I say that tentatively since there is no real evidence.
TheWhiteShadow42 1 month ago
@TheWhiteShadow42 yeah, but there are so many planets in the universe that i think at least one other planet apart from earth can have the correct conditions for life to occur.
RelativelyHostile1 1 month ago
@RelativelyHostile1 I would like to think that, but very very tentatively. Toward this, I almost have no opinion because of how little we know about the planets of the universe so far.
TheWhiteShadow42 1 month ago
@TheWhiteShadow42 I think there probably is life out in the universe but I don't think that there is necessarily intelligent life in the universe
RelativelyHostile1 1 month ago
I love how these guys denounce the caller outright. Im an atheist and I am a very educated man, but to say that "there is no requirement to disprove God..." is ignoring the question. The caller identified himself as a christian, but that doesn't mean he was attacking atheim, and was actually supporting atheism through the overwhelming evidence of extraterrestrial contact. I usuall find these guys to be intelliegent, but this was rather ignorant. UFOs do exsist, and it could be proven in a court.
TheCrisisKings 1 month ago
That is why they tap into cloning and stem cell research. But these things are not actually creating but trying to emulate the Creator. Yes animals have evolved and forced to adapt to their environment and humans can too. That is how we were hard wired. This is how our Creator created us, we adapt,overcome,or we give up and die!!
5starGeneral79 1 month ago
Man was not created from nothing!! God forbid, we were all created from substance, something tangible, something very real outside of what your senses tells you is real. It is called LIFE. God is life, the giver of life. 2 dead people cannot procreate. But 2 people who are very much alive can. Why is this possible?? Because the one who is life allows this to be and scientist can't accept that because it takes away from their profession which is to disprove creation!!
5starGeneral79 1 month ago
God is spirit, the only way to comprehend the existence of God is to live in the spirit that way you will walk in the spirit and understand the spirit nature of his existence. if these two keep questioning about God in non spiritual way they will never gonna get the answer.
If i could also ask a question ok? could someone please explain why do we have voices inside of us that tells us to do go or evil? How did they come to live inside of us? and Why cant we see them but only feel them?
AgapeTv 1 month ago
@AgapeTv
God is not Spirit. He created Energy, Time, Space, Matter and Spirit, therefore he must be external to each.
But humans are not Physical, we are Spirit. Our bodies are just tools made of Matter that allow our actual selves, our spirits, to connect with our souls, which connect with our minds, which in turn connect with our bodies.
That is why in the next life, where our true selves, our Spirits are exposed, the Mind, Soul, and body are redundant.
God is beyond us, my friend.
shaamanplatinum 1 month ago
@AgapeTv
There are two 'voices' which speak to us in our concience. Our 'Nafs' or animal, earthly side, of which calls for our needs and desires (of which some of the latter are sinful (harmful to the Spirit)) calls us to do some good, neutral and bad things.
Our other side is our human, spiritual side, which makes us capable of charity and art. It calls for our spiritual desires, and also needs, some are harmful to our bodies.
What we must do is listen to both cleverly, in moderation.
shaamanplatinum 1 month ago
All animals, mammals, birds, fish, reptiles, we're created by the same creator. Humans did not come from monkeys!!
5starGeneral79 1 month ago
@5starGeneral79
No we did not come from monkeys, we were created from nothing, but other animals did evolve. There is proof for this statement.
shaamanplatinum 1 month ago
Humans did not branch off from apes!!! Maybe you did, but I sure as hell did not.
5starGeneral79 1 month ago
@5starGeneral79
Humans did nor branch off from apes !
Humans and apes have the same ancestors ! Thats why our dna 98 % the same .
Visit the human genome project and find out what else you are related to !
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
I want someone that isn't an idiot to call the show...
bowser5295 1 month ago
@bowser5295 The people who aren't idiots are smart enough to know that they can't win.
chicken11999933 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 well apparently COMMOGSE isnt one of them then, he cant win yet he keeps on acting like he can
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
There are 80 stable elements in this universe.
All elements with a higher atomic number than lead (82) are radioactive.
All elements with a higher atomic number than plutonium (94) are atificial elements and do not exist in nature.
There cannot be any unknown elements , simply because the artificial ones with very high numbers that were created so far , only exist for a nanosecond , before they decay.
Simple , isnt it ?
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
Merry christmas !
All these insults and bullshit from you and now you hide !
I thought you would at least have the balls to apologize .
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE who said i was hiding? i thougth youd have the IQ to realize i just decided to stop arguing with people who cant grasp the fact that Science isnt absolute
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
In the case of the elements , it is !
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE only in your narrow closed mind
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
There are 80 stable elements in this universe !
All elements with a higher atomic number than lead (82) are radioactive .
All elements with a higher atomic number than plutonium (94) are artificial elements and do not exist in nature.
There cannot be any unknown elements since the artificial ones with very high atomic numbers that were created so far , are only stable for a nanosecond before they decay.
That cannot be so hard to understand .
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE how hard is it to understand that Science is never absolute? and that we dont know diddly shit about the rest of the universe? so there may be many elements we do not currently know exist because they have not been discovered by us humans
the problem is your argument seems to indicate that Science is absolute when that is NEVER true
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
The problem is you dont understand how the elements come about !
1 proton + 1 electron = hydrogen .
2 proton + 2 electron = helium .
82 protons + 82 electrons = lead .
There are no half protons or half electrons in the universe.
Its the radioactivity that makes an existance impossible.
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE Actualy the element is only dependant on the number of protons the number of electrons (the same as neutrons) may varry in the element creatind ions.
xsmopsis 4 weeks ago
@xsmopsis
Lets not confuse Lavos , it been hard enough already !
COMMOGSE 4 weeks ago
@COMMOGSE i think your the one thats confused, you dont see me talking in half-capslock, and if there were unknown elements not yet discovered by human science, how would you know if they decay or not? the point is you simply dont know, so your making blind assumptions based on the limitations of human science, how do you know if in 50-100 years they dont discover even a few non-radioactive elements or even radioactive ones
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
@COMMOGSE also xsmopsis i believe was commenting to correct you, but who am i to interpret someone elses words? and yes i took plenty of science classes in school, i know what your talking about, but what im saying is that there is not a 100% certainty that current knowledge of the Periodic Elements is all there is to it,
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
@Lavos2007
I give up !
Hopefully one day you will understand why the laws of nature apply to the whole universe and not parts of it !
COMMOGSE 4 weeks ago 30
@Lavos2007 Not one scientist would say that they have all the answers. NOT ONE. They are constantly looking for more data/facts to help verify their data and further our understanding of things. Science is based on data. Religion is based on nonsense for which no evidence exists. Sorry but that's the way things are. Not my fault.
Tommyr 4 weeks ago
@Lavos2007 Science makes a big assumption that the whole universe works in the same way that our little corner of the universe does. It is, however, a reasonable assumption as there is no data from our observations which indicate otherwise.
jacksawild 4 weeks ago
@jacksawild your telling me, an atheist, this why? im aware that science is not ever 100% certain, thats what im tryin to beat into that idiot who's been arguing with me, i fully support science, i dont beleive in religions or a sacred invisible deity, but that idiot doesnt understand Science is not absolute and he is trying to act like it IS, if you have issue with that then go talk to him about it, im sure COMMOGSE will just spout more "science has all the answers to ever exist" BS
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Lavos2007 I thought I was replying to him. I assume I made a mistake but I suspect that youtube is fucking with me.
jacksawild 4 weeks ago
@Lavos2007
I should have seen that you are just another airhead with no clue about anything !
Keep on blabbing pointless bullshit, that seems to be the only thing you came up with so far .
COMMOGSE 4 weeks ago
@COMMOGSE says the person who blabs pointless bullshit and didnt stop commenting on me last time i tried to stop, and i believe i wasnt talking to you with the recent 2 comments i made to Tommyr
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
@Lavos2007
Dont worry , it wont happen again .
You are just too dumb to understand the periodic table of elements.
Stick to the video games !
COMMOGSE 4 weeks ago
@COMMOGSE instead of making another stupid comment to assert your assumption of how science works, why didnt you just leave it alone? i think Tommyr has mroe understanding of science than you do, you seem to think that the whole universe works the way our tiny part of it does, but how do you know for sure it does? as TheAtheistExperience says: the burden of proof is on those who make assertions, your asserting science is absolute, so prove it
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
@Lavos2007
All elements with a higher atomic number than plutonium (94) do NOT exist in nature !
WHY ? Because they are RADIOACTIVE !!
Which means they DECAY into other elements until they are gone !
The higher the atomic number the FASTER the decay !
Even if there were any unknown elements , we would NEVER know , BECAUSE they would have decayed , before we would ever find out !
NOT AROUND LONG ENOUGH ! GONE BEFORE WE KNEW ! NOT STABLE !
COMMOGSE 4 weeks ago
@COMMOGSE idiot... just because they dont exist in nature doesnt mean they dont exist thats like saying Concrete doesnt exist cus it wasnt made in nature, and your asserting that just because something works in human science means that applies to the rest of the universe, which how would you know if it does or doesnt? unless you can provide evidence that the rest of the universe works the same way as human science, your case is invalid
Lavos2007 4 weeks ago
@Lavos2007 how can you compare concrete to radioactive material?
fireluigi12 3 weeks ago
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jacksawild 4 weeks ago
Aaah, it's funny how little normal people really know.
Now it's possible there are SUBSTANCES in the universe we don't have on earth. We can after all create substances in a lab that don't occur in nature. New alloys, new materials, even odd things like superfluids. And some new materials chemists and the like craft are very recent inventions that never existed before on this planet.
But their not new ELEMENTS. This caller doesn't know what an element actually is.
TheSkunkCat 1 month ago
@TheSkunkCat
Although of course speaking of new ELEMENTS, we create those too. It's just that they don't last very long. Ultraheavy elements are extremely unstable.
TheSkunkCat 1 month ago
@bbkingzor You have no argument...you just keep repeating yourself. Shut the fuck up...you're stupid, and wrong.
DJH8808 1 month ago
there is lots of evidence out there to support aliens existing, but that doenst automatically mean it would be world-class news, while there are people interested in the existence of aliens, theirs also skeptics and cover-up agents in governments, if existence of aliens was announced, it would cause panic and histaria, just like the original Radio reading of War of the Worlds, people were being a read a book and suddenly the nation was on fire with people thinking aliens from mars were invading
Lavos2007 1 month ago
usually i love these guys videos, but this one was a little foolish on their part, they should really do some looking into about Mr. Liere or however you spell his name, he has removed things from peoples bodies that exibit strange qualities and features like Radiation Emission and Radio signals that seem to stop coming from the objects when their removed from the body, and one of the objects he removed was made of like 5 different metals, 3 of them not existing on earth but in our solar system
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
There are no unknown elements in this universe.
The story is bullshit !
Simple 7th grade science !
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE i never said anything about unknown elements dumbass but jsut like Theists cant prove their gods or religion are correct and real, neither cna we prove that aliens and many things we dont know about the universe are or arent, who's to sya the periodic tables have everything there is as far as elements? thats bascially syaing we know every element that does and will ever exist despite how little we know about our universe outside our solar system
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
Thank you for the insult , but you are wrong !
I guess you dont understand the periodic table of elements , do you ?
I suggest you look it up .
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE besides, the periodic table of elements was not always as big of a list of elements as it was when it was first created, because thats right, new elements were discovered and ADDED to the periodic tables, so how can you so easilly dismiss that there very may well be metals, compounds, elements and many other material things in the universe that we simply dont have knowledge of? thats why science exists, to search for the answers/truth about our world and universe
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE and sorry, messed up my wording there, the periodic table of elements was initially not as big as it is currently because not all of the elements it lists were discovered when it was first created/drafted, so in time they were added to it, science is never absolute, what people believe in science one day could very well be true or sometimes even false in a year or more later as new information and discoveries are made which validate or invalidate previous knowledge
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
Since you havent responded , i guess you understood why there are no unknown elements .
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@COMMOGSE no i havent responded cus unlike you i have need for sleep on occasion, plus its not interesting to argue with someone who cant grasp basic concepts and has the IQ of a 5 year old, seriously, your just too stupid, if you wish to make an argument next time bring up points that cant be easilly refuted with pure 5th grade science fact, did you really think the Periodic Tables were always as large as they are now? that is why i call you stupid
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
I respect your wish to stay dumb !
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@Lavos2007 The periodic table of the elements was always the same size. When it was created, everything was filled in that was known at the time, but there were also spaces left because there had to be something there. Mendeleev knew that there had to be more, and he knew where they would be. In time, those gaps have been filled and we have completed the table.
chicken11999933 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 well my point still stands, even if Mendeleev knew there were elements out there not on the table, then does that not make them prior to discovery "unknown elements"? they had to be discovered, named and documented before they could be added to such a table, science doesnt just discover something and just give it a name and thats it, theres lots of stuff that has to be done for it to be officially recognized by science
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007 What would be the missing atomic number? You're talking bullshit and are too dumb to even understand WHY you're talking bullshit. A few people have tried to help you all you do is repeat blather without bothering to even LOOK at a periodic table you ignoramus
salerio61 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 for example Scientific Names for Animals/Plants/etc werent just concocted out of thin air to sound neat/silly/etc, the system was created to serve a purpose and even to this day its still "evolving" so to speak, as new animals/plants/etc are being discovered all the time, some are relatives of known species while others arent, thats why Scientific Names exist, they are there to identify wildlife across barriers such as different spoken/written languages
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 jsut because we have a current Periodic Table of elements that has no unfilled slots, does not mean we have the absolute list of lal known elements in the universe, thats almost like saying that humans have discovered every known marine wildlife species that lives in the Abyssal Plains of the oceans, when in fact science knows relatively little of the oceans extreme depths and has searched very little of its global area
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 but just like almost every other science, new things are constantly being discovered, so who's to say at some point in the future we wont discover 1 or more new Elements that may or may not exist on earth? i think its foolish to think we know everything about Elements when we havent even fully explored and discovered the rest of the planets in our own solar system much less the galaxy, as some planets have too dangerous of conditions for safe use of a Rover
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 also you must realize, although Mendelev and many famous scientists WERE very intelligent, depending on the time whence they lived, there could easilly have been discoveries/breakthroughs since their death that invalidate some or all of what they said was right, a scientist is only as good as his tools of his time can allow, Darwin made Evolution theory, since his time, weve made countless discoveries that prove him right, things he didnt even know/speculate on
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
Do you understand now , why there arent any unknown elements in this universe ?
Glad i could help ! lol
COMMOGSE 1 month ago
@chicken11999933 in more recent years weve completely mapped the Human Genome, and weve even identified the genetic link that was where Humans branched off from Apes and Chimps, Darwin was right in his theory, but this was stuff he just couldnt do in his lifetime, the technology required to analyze and discover it all just didnt exist back then, so once again, Science is NEVER Absolute, there will always be things out there waiting to be discovered
Lavos2007 1 month ago
@Lavos2007
And some that disprove things we have 'mapped'.
shaamanplatinum 1 month ago
Notice how the majority of the callers have a Southern United States accent. Curious.
xTheBeserkerx 1 month ago
@xTheBeserkerx
It's a public access TV show from Texas.
People living in the southern US often have the accent common among people in the southern US, oddly enough.
;p
blackacidlizzard 1 month ago