The research that I've done shows that it was originally restricted as a result of smart lobbyists from Standard Oil and Du Pont back in the late 1800's who privately realized that industrial hemp was a superior source of fuel and other materials than petroleum. The big problem was that they couldn't monopolize it as effectively as petroleum. Their efforts still pay off today. Hemp is associated with hippies and bongs instead of with food and fuel. To hell with the enviroment and global warming.
dude weed is al-natural, so is to'baky, onion, broccoli, poison ivy etc. they're all plants too, but aren't illegal, hell hemlock'll kill ya, like the great philosopher, broccoli won't taste so good, but mix with onion and you got tasty stir fry, smoke da tobaky and feel like shit scratching that poison ivy. But with weed roll a blunt, grab some butter and seasoned salt on the broccoli and onion you've forgotten the ivy itch from the bong, but in the end you snuggle up next to your hemlock plant
The only reason weed MAY be a gateway drug is the fact that people have to go to possible criminals who are in the drug business and who are selling drugs like meth and heroin. Make it legal and people won't have to go to these shady people and possibly get coerced into doing a harder drugs.
who cares if its illegal, if it were legal than everyone will be smoking it and it becomes less bad ass, and secondly weed is goin to be like ciggarettes, think about it, theyre gnna put joints in ciggarete boxes and then sooner or later people are goin to be buying lots of it then people will get bored of the buzz...
@xKeLoNeRvEx weed isnt about looking "bad ass" its about enjoying it yourself. Who cares if everyone else does it, good for them! If all your concerned about is looking cool then im afraid your thinking of things all the wrong way my friend
@xKeLoNeRvEx No, its not. Your making us all sound retarded. Its not bad ass. Its relaxing, pretty much the opposite of bad ass. We smoke it for relaxation, concentration, self medicating illnesses, civil disobedience, and because its a great life style. If your only smoking it because you think its bad ass and you want to be cool then your an immature child who's too insecure to be a bad ass without it. If you have to say somethings bad ass then its not. That includes you
@xKeLoNeRvEx No there not. Go get arrested and go to jail for pot like I've had to put up with twice now and let me know if you still don't care whether or not its legal when you have to attend a treatment program and get weekly drug tests. Or better yet, have the police raid your house and let me know how you feel. They'll usually shoot your dogs and take you from your parents. I was lucky enough that when i got raided this didn't happen but that's how they usually turn out
In the 70's the government hired a scientist in Ohio..to study Canibis..They wanted him to make a synthetic form ..which he did..He created something called K2..or NOT POT,in his studies he concluded he could not make such a substance safe ...fast forward to our present time,Its suddenly on the market,Its manufactured in CHINA.Why is it on the market now?It was a banned,The scientist who created it wrote extensively about its dangers and it had no positive purpose..Real Canibis is not dangerous.
Yea I get it. It's all a government conspiracy. I guess it's true when you smoke pot you can get a little paranoid. It's not that bad for most but like alcohol has it's alcoholics Pot smokers have their lifetime stoners. If people want to wreck their brains it's their choice but do you have to promote it?
saying pot should be illegal is saying coffe beer cigs should be illegal. pot is as harmful as any legal harmful things. theres no good argument that can show why marijuana should be illegal..
Marijuana is illegal because in the 1900's hemp products were becoming more popular, like hemp paper ect, and the shitty government was losing money because it was more natural and cleaner than most products back then and because they weren’t making money from it the government made it "illegal".
and since then all these shitty excuses have been made to keep it illegal and because they can't tax it they and they still can't make money from it stays illegal, it has also been proven that it safer than alcohol, tobacco and painkillers(aspirin, ect.) so Marijuana being illegal is a joke.
@Bioshockgamer334 haha you cant get through @cindybin2001, its funny shes on nearly every informative video on cannabis. Her only argument is that its a "drug" so dont do it! Well hell so are prescriptions which contain meth and opiates. You cant get through to these conservative people.
It's funny how this video, nor many others (presumably favoring legalization) don't understand that the PRIMARY reason why marijuana is illegal is because it is a mind-altering, mood-altering substance. If it weren't, it is doubtful that those pushing for legalization would be pushing for legalization. Another reason why it is illegal is that there is no way -unlike alcohol tests - to determine level of intoxication or impairment.
a third reason why marijuana is illegal is because, depending upon level of use, marijuana can stay in the system (before completely metabolizing out) anywhere from 13 DAYS for light use up to 90 DAYS for heavy use. Alcohol, in a person with a .15 blood alcohol level, will metabolize the alcohol within 10 hours of cessation of consumption. Marijuana HAS been proven to be a contributing factor in on-the-job injuries, due to its mind and mood altering effects. So there ARE legitimate reasons.
@JWC3RD That is simply false, there are legitimate concerns over negative health aspects however these do not validate and certainly do not justify its criminality. Statistical evidence is unreliable as the disproportionate numbers of poverty stricken/under educated users is high (for reasons we can discuss) thus skewing results. Tests have also shown that being high can reduce chances of vehicular accidents due to irrational fear s.
@mehico33 - And that brings about a fourth reason. Why is it that such a LARGE number of HEAVY users are disproportionately poverty stricken/under educated exists? Which begs the question, does heavy use CAUSE the users to become disproportionately poverty stricken and undereducated or does being disproportionately poverty stricken and undereducated LEAD to heavy use? And exactly HOW do these disproportionately poverty stricken and undereducated users afford such a heavy habit?
@JWC3RD To support prohibition is to punish the many for the crimes of the few, is to unjustly dismiss the powerful positive effects proclaimed by its users (including the likes of Benjamin Franklin, Carl Sagan etc) and to actively support the funding of criminal organizations who inherit a monopoly on the drug market.
Alcohol may metabolize quicker but just look at the statistics, the damage it causes both to society as a whole and to the health of users is infinitely greater.
Plus - with the exception of marijuana legally grown for medical purposes, those who USE marijuana ARE supporting (currently) an industry that fuels extreme violence and murder and other crimes by those who produce, process and distribute marijuana world-wide. Considering the ILLEGAL status and the violence associated with it, why is it that USERS didn't stop using so as to BOYCOTT the drug cartels for their violence in the drug trade?
@mehico33 - Beg to differ. If it is prohibited and illegal, then ANYONE who is actively involved in its illegal production and distribution, IS committing one or more crimes. And I am not disputing that there are positive medical applications. But, just like Methadone and other strictly controlled medical substances, the ONLY legal form of marijuana should be for medical treatment and strictly controlled. Why? Because it's a mind-altering, mood-altering substance.
@JWC3RD As are coffee, alcohol and tobacco. A little consistency would be nice. You also ignore the fact that cannabis alters consciousness for the better (in most cases, it certainly isn't for everybody. Hell, there are people who cannot eat nuts. Who are allergic to certain plants etc).
There is simply no justification for the persecution of those who seek the benefits of the sweet leaf. I wasn't disputing the negative health aspects it has... (cont)
@JWC3RD ...(cont) I was simply informing you that they do not justify its illegality. Technically it is a crime to use/possess/supply pot, but it is a moral crime to persecute those who benefit from it. I am unwilling to hold the opinions of my fellow apes over the basic sensibilities, to kidnap someone and lock them in a cage for doing something that is only potentially damaging to themselves is akin to stoning a woman for adultery. Utterly senseless.
@mehico33 - well, technically, many of the aspects of marijuana DO justify it being illegal or, at least, a heavily restricted medicinal substance. And, no, in LEGITIMATE cases where there is a medical and clinical benefit for a patient to receive a prescription for medical marijuana, I have no problem with that. The thing is, there seem to be an awful lot of people WITHOUT a medical condition advocating for its legalization - as if THEY are going to benefit. Why would they?
The fact that is potentially damaging is also a very good reason to keep it illegal or only legal for legitimate medical use. At least until enough studies are done that address ALL the potential damaging effects of marijuana usage have been addressed. So far, they haven't.
@JWC3RD Because it is of great benefit to many people even with no medical application. Myself for example, I smoke regularly for a heightened sense of realization (something that sounds crazy to anybody that hasn't experienced it) and appreciation for life, it transformed this nihilistic factory drone into a total "high-on-life-er".
You make the same baseless assertion that there is justification for its illegality, you have a warped view of "justice".
@spacemonkey1463 - I would not be opposed. As the son of an alcoholic (and his alcoholism was a contributing factor to my dad's death following surgery for urinary bladder cancer), I have seen first hand, experienced first hand what alcohol does to someone who is not able to handle it. It is why I favor some kind of "notice" be placed on the drivers license or personal ID card, if a person has been arrested even once for DUI. All bars and liquor stores would be required to check ALL ID;s...
and would be prohibited from selling or serving to ANYONE with such a notification on their license or ID. They (stores and bars) would also be subject to serious charges for selling or serving to anyone who has that on their card. I would also expect something similar regarding marijuana, if it were ever legalized beyond that for medical purposes.
@JWC3RD Marijuana is illegal because of a smear campaign created in the late 1930's as a result of the paper, fuel, clothing, and tobacco companies almost being overran by the hemp industry. At this time Mexican immigrants were starting to come to America which also frustrated politicians. They handled this problem and killed 2 birds with one stone by labeling it with the Mexican term Marijuana and demonizing both the plant and the race saying it makes people kill eachother and Mexicans
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Yes, THAT'S the ONLY reason. It's NOT that marijuana is a mind-altering, mood-altering substance that can put the person into such a state of ease that reaction responses slow down, etc. It's NOT that it's illegal because - apparently, so far - they have not developed a field test to check for intoxication or level of impairment. It's NOT illegal because the active component(s) can stay within a human system for up to 90 days, depending upon frequency of use.
@JWC3RD bring it hear. They made pot illegal and created Mexican racism that still carries to this date with black and white films stating that its more addictive then heroin and makes you lose complete control of your mind and kill people. They shoved this down American children's throats(which there were a lot of because a lot of WWII veterans wanted to settle down and have kids at once) These are the elderly people running America today who are too uneducated to understand the facts
@JWC3RD Pot remains illegal not only because these people believe these lies but because Americans will believe any thing they see on TV. Also the government is more then likely making money from it so why give up a few bucks for happiness? I know all the facts and the short version is that pot effects your body and mind no more then a cup of coffee, you can test the levels in your system with a lab drug test, and yes stupid people smoke pot, its not what made them stupid, they just are
@GorillaTerrorist56 - No, pot remains illegal because there are serious, LEGITIMATE questions that need to be addressed FIRST. As far as stupid people using pot, rather than pot making people stupid. There does seem to be a disproportionate number of stupid people who use pot, far too frequently. Correlation perhaps?
@JWC3RD Well about 60% of people who use pot are stupid. Yet about 90% of the population is reasonably stupid. I'm saying you don't smoke it, i don't smoke it. I'm educated and your borderline retarded. A lot of the potheads on here use real statistics, and many are just 14 year olds that think they no what they are talking about. A reasonable amount of people are stupid, a reasonable amount of people smoke pot. So obviously a reasonable amount of pot heads are going to me stupid
@GorillaTerrorist56 - You're educated and I am "borderline retarded"? The next interesting comment you make has me wondering whether or not you are a 14 year-old pothead. "A lot of potheads on here use REAL statistics and MANY ARE JUST 14 years old THAT THINK THEY 'NO' (sic) what they are talking about". Seriously? And with the last line of your comment, I can only say, "Dude, what have you been smoking? Oh wait, we're on a thread about pot. Nevermind."
@JWC3RD I do not smoke pot. I did smoke it every day for 2 years though. I can honestly say that pot has absolutely no noticeable long term effects and the short term are pretty much about as bad as a cup of coffee. I'm done arguing about this. You can sit here and be a jackass or you can go out and smoke a blunt to realize how small of a thing it is we put people in jail for. And no, im not gonna read all of your posts and worry about small typos just to prove your a dumb ass
@GorillaTerrorist56 - well, I have been reading your posts and, from reading your posts, I can tell that you did pot - at some point - frequently and in somewhat significant quantity. That you SAY that it has had absolutely no noticeable long term effects on you is pretty much the same as the drunk driver saying to the cop, "Nonshense, Os....os...oss...ossifer.....I ha....haaa....haaanvent had drinksh!!! I'm purrrrr.....puuuurrrrr....comtepley shober!!!"
And it's a "small thing"? The pot YOU smoked came through the illicit drug trade. A trade in which the cartels that grow it, cultivate it, harvest it, pack it ship it, smuggle it...etc., engage in murder, extortion, intimidation, rape, physical violence etc., to make sure you had some "weed" to smoke every day for two years. But YOU did nothing wrong, right? Wrong.
@JWC3RD Maybe there wouldnt be so much violence if it wasnt illegal. When alcohol was illegal, there was so much violence and murder over the mafias and gangs selling it legally. now that its legal, there is no gang wars over it. Imagine if it were legalized. there wouldnt be so much violence over the drug. It would be treated like a normal product.
@caller347 - but the problem is, the people who are advocating its legalization amount to a lot of people who are already using it and HAVE already used it for a long time. And they didn't get it from the store. They are, in effect, funding the murder and the terror that is committed by the drug cartels. If they REALLY cared about the crime that was behind their "purchases" they wouldn't have purchased it UNTIL it was legal. They would have done their petitions for legalization, but not used
And the other problem is that, because it IS a mind-altering and mood-altering substance, it SHOULD NOT be legalized for common, recreational use. Medical use, I have no problem with. Common recreational use, I do. I have a problem with alcohol based on the same reasons.
@JWC3RD yeah, i smoked 2-12 blunts a day every day for roughly 2-3 years. Maybe if you smoked one you could think out side the damn box for once and realize how special you sound from anyone else's perspective.
@GorillaTerrorist56 - which means you funded murder, terror, retaliation against law enforcement, political corruption, rape, torture, etc. I would applaud your "contribution" to society, but sadly, I don't see one.
@JWC3RD No, i never bought my pot from Mexicans or sand people. I personally trace everything i ever bought and its grown hydroponically by Italians in New York and Philly. You on the other hand support children with cancer dying and good hard working people looking for relief in life being put in prison. And if i did support drug cartels, just remember that they are only in business because of people like you
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Ah, so you were SO into your pot that you tracked its history from seed to pipe? LOL!!! SURE you did. Secondly, I thought I made it clear that I have no problem with a legitimate medical use for the substance - but under which it is strictly controlled. I have checked and have seen that it is listed as Class 1 substance and, according to the requirements, should be at most on Class 2 (since it does seem to have medical use).
It should not, however, be listed at anything less than Class 3. It should remain highly controlled and highly restricted but I have no problem with it being used, LEGITIMATELY as a medical treatment regimen. The problem is - with most you the posters here - I don't think the majority of you are suffering from anything that would REQUIRE any doctor to issue such a prescription for marijuana. And, no, they are in business because of people like you.
It's one thing to support carte blanch legalization if you are NOT using, though I could see someone who doesn't use supporting it being recategorized as a Class II or Class III substance, but THAT'S not what most of you favor. You CLAIM it isn't addictive, so you had NO reason to use it while it was illegal. Therefore, YOU are to blame for supporting the drug cartels. You should have and could have abstained until it gained legal status, but you didn't. Why not?
@GorillaTerrorist56 - and we had to spend billions in fighting this "war on drugs" because "innocent toking smoking" citizens (like you) were funding the illegal drug trade in the United States. Gee, if you had spent even HALF the money you probably shelled out for pot on the campaign to legalize it, it probably would have been legalized long before now - at least for medicinal purposes. But, no, you HAD to light up 2-12 blunts a day for at least two years.
@JWC3RD And do you not think we need to answer questions about ritalin/aderal(amphetamines), benzodiazapins, anti-depressants, and synthetic brands of heroin such as morphine, vicodin, percocetes, methadone and oxycotton? Of course we do but we give them to the people who need them without worrying about side effects when we could be giving them something much safer.
@GorillaTerrorist56 - because they are prescription drugs. Please pay attention to at least SOME of my posts. I am actually NOT opposed to the use of marijuana as a LEGITIMATE medical treatment, but - JUST LIKE the other CONTROLLED medications - it needs to be strictly controlled and regulated so that the only people receiving it ARE people who need it for legitimate medical conditions.
And a lot of people DO worry about their effects. The drugs' manufacturer's certainly do with their lists of "possible side effect" (my favorite - because I find it so fascinating that someone would take a drug with THIS particular side effect - is "death"). That is why they are restricted medications. Unless you have Michael Jackson's doctor and then you can sound like a pair of maracas when you walk - well, IF you can walk.
@JWC3RD Look jackass, you obviously stopped responding because no one can argue with me on this topic without looking stupid. The real truth is that cannabis is a miracle plant with hundreds of medical purposes we never expected and unlimited in industrial uses. Car, fuels, clothing, paper, alcohol, pretty much anything. We've been smoking it for thousands of years and nothing bad has ever come from it. Prohibition is purely about control,and anyone who thinks theres more to it is a tard
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Yeah, THAT'S the reason. It COULDN'T possibly be that you are one extraordinarily obtuse retard, could it? Of course not. Not to YOU, the Extraordinarity Obtuse Retard. And you apparently have missed some of my other posts. I have NO PROBLEM with marijuana being legally used for legitimate medical treatments. But the majority of the people posting here (including you) are NOT talking about a limited medical legalization. You are talking about common legalization.
Yes, NOTHING bad has come of people smoking it for thousands of years. Not all those unemployed, uneducated masses who smoke it. Nope, their kind have led to all kinds of miraculous cures and discoveries in science and medicine and....oh wait a second, we are talking about pot-smokers. As for the uses of HEMP? No one has disputed those. But the toxic (mind-altering, mood-altering) substances CAN be removed through processing. Perhaps it could be removed and then shipped to drug companies.
to be processed into medical treatments that only those, who REALLY need them, will have access to, through their doctors. And, sorry, Dr. Feelgood will not be able to prescribe to anyone.
@JWC3RD The only reason why such an idiotic people smoke it is because there stupid and just want to get fucked up. Those people make us all look like idiots. But what about the success stories? Obama, Bush, every musical artist and actor, along with everyone working with them. Zeppelin?, Wiz Khalifa? Pink Floyd? Eminem? The Beatles? Guess there the most uneducated unemployed people of all. Yet they make twice your life savings every 15 minutes. Who's really the idiot?
@GorillaTerrorist56 - "the only reason why such an idiotic people smoke it is because there stupid...." "THERE stupid"? "Talented" does not necessarily equate to intellectual brilliance. The fact that people who are stoned out of their minds (not just on pot) can still get up on a stage and play, says more for talent and luck than it says for intelligence. And, of course, their private lives are perfect role models worthy of emulation, right?
But then there are the following: Jimmie Hendrix - dead, Janis Joplin - dead, Jim Morrison - dead, Keith Moon - dead, River Phoenix - dead, Anissa Jones - dead. And those are just SOME of the people who died from drugs. No doubt, they all began with pot. Then there are the many artists who died as the result of what drug use did to them over the years, several after being clean for several years.
@JWC3RD you know what else all of those people were involved with? show business. the reason they died is not as simple as "they did drugs" if they were still alive i'm positive they would also either be depressed or suffer from some other form of psychological illness.
@JWC3RD Nothing to do with pot. Of course if you go out with the mindset of doing a bunch of drugs the first one you will find is pot. This doesn't mean its a gateway drug it just means its the most common CDS. And writing music still requires intelligence.
@JWC3RD Thomas Jefferson? John Adams? Jack Herer? Abe Lincoln? Albert Einstein? Louis Armstrong? Franklin Pierce? Obama? Bush? Stephen King? Bob Marley? John Wayne? Paul McCartney? Jennifer Anisten? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Linda McCartney? Art Garfunkel? Carl Sagan? Howard Stern? Jesse Ventura? George Washington? Are these people stupid unemployed potheads? Or Are they proof your a moron that still believes bullshit propaganda from the 30's. Do some real research on why its illegal.
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Well, in LOOKING, found out that neither Washington or Jefferson actually SMOKED HEMP. They produced it for the OTHER purposes for which hemp was used. In part, no doubt, because not as many people SMOKED it as you want to believe. It was grown and used (for its other many purposes) until people started smoking it and became impaired....then they had to find other alternatives for all its productive uses...
@JWC3RD And just so you know, removing Tetrahydrocannabinol from pot would not only take away being the psychoactive parts, it would also make it have no effect on cancer patients. Also, just because the stereotypical stoner is unemployed doesn't mean we all are. Most of the stoners in my area have jobs and live in half million dollar houses including myself. Just because stupid people love weed doesn't mean weed makes you stupid. They were just born that way
@GorillaTerrorist56 - I am not arguing that you take away the THC for medical purposes. I was under the impression that it was the THC that provides the effective medical treatment. I have no problem with medical (legitimate) treatment legality of marijuana. I am opposed to the full and unrestricted access to marijuana that you seem to support.
@JWC3RD I do not see any reason to not fully legalize marijuana and sell it/tax it the same way we do alcohol. Kids would have a harder time accessing it, and the adults who deserve to enjoy it would not have to risk so much in the process. This would shut down the drug cartels and prevent it from being the gateway drug. And i guarantee there would be no negative side effects. Can you think of any? It is only the sensible thing to do. Also, you should respect civil disobedience more.
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Yes, taxing alcohol and cigarettes has really kept kids from having access to them. And adults DESERVE to enjoy it? Why? Why cannot you not just enjoy life without it? Why do you feel you need it? So badly, in fact, that you break the law to "enjoy" it? Why is that?
@JWC3RD It is so much easier for kids to buy any drug then alcohol and cigarettes so in my opinion, yes. I don't know were your from but in New Jersey its working great other then for kids with stupid parents. Also, i do not feel anyone needs it other then cancer patients. This we can both agree on. But we deserve to make our own choices and be able to try new things as long as they are safe to be happy. We break the law to promote civil disobedience. Its the only thing that works
@JWC3RD Anyone who thinks it should have any restrictions has an IQ less then that of a shovel and 2 candy bracelets. Do you have any idea how long we've been smoking pot for? 3,000 years. Any idea how many deaths its caused? 0. How many people with lung damage? 0. Long term mental side effects? 0. Deaths from prohibition? Thousands. Imprisonments? Millions. Money its cost us? Billions.
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Well, if it is a gateway drug, then it HAS caused deaths indirectly. And most certainly people have died within the production cycle of marijuana. It is a mind-altering and mood-altering substance and, therefore, should be restricted IF legal. It should only be available for legitimate medical reason and nothing more.
And, apparently, it dulls the conscience of users to not care about the thousands of deaths caused by them from creating a demand for an illegal product from suppliers who would murder innocent people. It just never occurs to people, like you, who cry for social justice but engage in supporting an industry that has such a socially unjust cycle. If there weren't some form of mild addictive quality, you would have refrained use until it was legal, thus denying the drug cartels a market.
@liljack10 - such a comment, coming from someone who favor general legalization of marijuana, your comment does not surprise me. Of course, your comment really holds no validity either, considering the source (someone who breaks the law and feeds into the violent subculture of the drug trade).
@JWC3RD Are you assuming I'm a criminal because I practice my god-given right to smoke pot? I wonder who the criminals are, people using a natural herb to take away stress or those who lock up innocent people and ruin families because it means they will be rewarded with more money for themselves.
@liljack10 - I don't have to assume anything. You engaged in the purchase of and use of a restricted substance. That makes you a criminal (one who simply didn't get caught). You are COMPLICIT to other crimes, such as murder and extortion and bribery and theft and rape and any number of more serious crimes in that you support an illegal industry because you believe you have a "god given right to smoke pot".
@JWC3RD You're unbelievable. You can't possibly blame the people for the existence of drug cartels! That is the fault of the government for banning a harmless substance that is used by millions. If free speech were criminalized, would you assume that all who practice it were criminals, or just practicing their god given right that was taken away by an evil government?
@liljack10 - Yes, I actually can blame the people (who buy it and smoke it) for the existence of the drug cartels. If all the drug users - who feel some compulsory NEED to do drugs to alter their minds and moods - didn't start using them, they wouldn't become addicted (with the exception of you marijuana users who SAY you aren't addicted, of course, but STILL buy it illegally anyway) and the drug cartels wouldn't make ANY money and they would have to find another source of revenue.
And YOU, were you the LAW-ABIDING citizen, could STILL lobby for its legalization, but you would WAIT for that legalization, IF there weren't some "unknown" reason why you buy it illegally and smoke it illegally, that is not addiction related, since it's "not" addictive. In fact, considering that people like you will avoid buying certain brands of tuna because of "fishing method", it is odd you aren't boycotting cartel produced pot.
Yet, again INEXPLICABLY, you choose to illegally purchase it from the drug cartels (through their distribution rings) and support things like murder and intimidation and terrorism and kidnapping and torture and rape, etc, smoking all your cares away.
@liljack10 - YOU say it's harmless. But it impairs people and stays in people's systems far longer than alcohol. A person with a .15 BAC will metabolize the alcohol in about 10 hours. A pot user will take anywhere from a few days up to 90 days, depending on level of use. What that means is a drinker can party hearty on Friday and be good to go (work wise) on Monday. A pot-user (heavy) likely can't work with equipment for three months.
**Sarcasm alert.....Sarcasm alert!!!** So what POSSIBLY could be the DOWNSIDE of pot-smoking? Gee, I have NO idea at all, cause it's PERFECTLY harmless!!!
@JWC3RD Also, could you name some "downsides" of pot smoking that you obviously know so much about? You've clearly never smoked pot, yet you claim that a user will remain high for months and not be able to use heavy machinery, which is a load of shit.
@liljack10 - it's not my claim. It is, presumably, a determined fact. I would IMAGINE, that the researchers tested the levels within a person based on their usage habits and determined that heavy use DOES cause the active ingredient to stay in the system for up to 90 days. But of course, UNLESS you are admitting to being a heavy user, how would you know that the stat ISN'T true? And that would mean you are personally and heavily financing the illegal drug trade that commits murders.
@JWC3RD I and millions of others. You've never smoked pot or seen anyone under the influence. Do you think that a person stays high for the whole 3 months? What a pathetic argument. That honestly has to be the worst. A high wears off in a few hours and then the user will function at 100%
@liljack10 - Yes, I am supposed to believe a POT-SMOKER, who WANTS (perhaps NEEDS) to smoke his pot - so much so that he buys it from the people who murder, torture, intimidate, etc., - so HE KNOWS. Of course, I believe you (that's sarsasm again)
@JWC3RD you are ignorant as hell, you honestly believe that marijuana is dangerous? how? alcohol is so much worse for you than marijuana... i hope you are joking because reading all your bullshit just made me sick
@3521soda - I never said that alcohol wasn't dangerous. I would have no problem with them making alcohol illegal, IF they could control it. The problem is because of what alcohol IS and how EASILY it is to make it (considering what IT IS), it is far less easy to control than marijuana. But you don't make one or more mind-altering and mood-altering substances legal because of the inability to control the hardest substance to control.
@JWC3RD You're brainwashed beyond repair. Alcohol IS far more dangerous, IS more difficult to make and it IS, by FAR, more mind altering and addicting. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I smoke pot once a week, that's not heavy use! And just because marijuana can be found in your system does NOT mean anything. You are not "high" for the whole month that it's in your system. You have no right to even be arguing considering you have no valid arguments.
@liljack10 - Sorry, but no, alcohol is not more difficult to make. Thought you were smart enough to realize that different "juices" naturally ferment (creating an alcoholic beverage). It's natural because it can happen in berries with NO assistance from mankind. Marijuana is specific to ONE kind of plant, therefore it is easier to control. To control alcohol, you would have to restrict access to ANYTHING that could ferment and that would restrict all fruits and a number of vegetables...
honey (which can be fermented into mead), and many other things. Potatoes would be restricted, corn would be restricted, etc. Now do you see how much of an idiot you made of yourself by your comment? Perhaps not.
@JWC3RD Once again, all I can say is smoke pot for yourself and you'll understand how wrong you've been. Give up on the bullshit government propaganda. You still have not even named a downside of pot smoking. By the way I was actually really high last night. But, for some reason, I don't feel under the influence! Can you explain this scientific phenomenon? No, because it's a myth. A high wears off in hours, depending on how you consume your marijuana, although the max would probably be 8 hours.
@liljack10 - I understand that the government engages in propaganda. I also understand that so do supporters of marijuana legalization. I want there to be absolute and sound studies done that prove, without doubt, that the pro-marijuana claims are, by great majority, true. That hasn't happened yet. Talk to me again when it has.
@JWC3RD You're trolling me, aren't you? Marijuana grows on it's own, just like alcohol can be fermented on its own. But regardless, I was talking about bottle shop alcohol. Your argument is invalid. Please stop.
@liljack10 - But, when viewing "all these videos and information on the internet", one must always be aware of the source of the videos and the sentiment behind them. If a hundred videos appeared on YouTube touting the "benefits" of crack cocaine, that wouldn't make me more favorable to the legalization or use of crack cocaine, especially if the videos are posted by someone supporting the legalization and use of crack cocaine.
@slponmic - you seem to be proving that they can, with comments like yours, which could only come from a simpleton....or heavy pot-smoker (gee, that's most likely a case of being redundant).
@trapparkid - Well, personally, I would have no problem IF they did something like that with tobacco or alcohol, but you ignore some simple facts. First, tobacco may be a mood altering substance, but it is not a mind-altering substance. And the only reason you could really call it a mood-altering substance is likely because of the artificially elevated of nicotine in cigarettes (the primary cause of addiction).
Generally, too, pipe and cigar smokers, apparently because they don't usually inhale, are less susceptible to addiction. As for alcohol? Much harder to control. Can you guess why? Okay, I will tell you. Marijuana is a plant that contains the active substance that causes intoxication. Alcohol comes from a fermentation process of natural, normally HEALTHY varieties of produce. Fermentation itself IS A NATURAL process. It has only been refined by man.
It's one of the primary reasons why it was - and would be - harder to control the production and distribution of alcohol than it is to control marijuana. Thought you would have known that, but not surprised that you don't. It seems to be, though, that you are arguing that because tobacco and alcohol are legal, then we should legalize marijuana. By that rationale, ALL drugs should be legal. Then, again, maybe that's fine with you too.
@JWC3RD Actually if you can regulate it so that consenting adults have the ability to indulge and keep it out of the hands kids till they become of age then it falls onto the person as self responsibility. Again if you educate someone in the dangers of doing something then if they participate, they cannot claim that they did it of anything less than their own volition. Whats wrong with that?
@trapparkid - Yes, Trapp.....regulating cigarettes and alcohol has worked so wonderfully well in keeping it out of the hands of kids. Gee, do you understand sarcasm all "stoned out", like you probably are, or don't you?
@JWC3RD If you must resort to insult slinging to support your argument then I am afraid your argument is not particularly strong. I have never smoked before, and i can say that I don't particularly feel the need to. Then again it is the parents responsibility to keep alcohol, cigarettes and weed out of their children's hands, if the kid obtains it what they do with it is a direct reflection of the failure of the parents inability to properly educate the child.
@JWC3RD The addiction is in itself a mind alteration, as your body would not have this reaction to just nicotine without the additives, (provided you did not flood your body with it and create an environment where you body accepted nicotine as a naturally occurring chemical) It is in a lesser scale compared to the hard drugs of Heroin and Crack but an artificial attachment and need for a chemical, AKA a dependency is a mind alteration as it wouldn't happen without the presence of the chemical.
@trapparkid - but there is a fundamental difference in the manner by which tobacco alters the mind and the manner that marijuana alters the mind. And as you indicated, there has to be some kind subtle addictive quality to marijuana because so many people, who smoke it, seem to be willing to do so (buy it and smoke it) despite the fact that do obtain it is a crime; to possess it in large enough quantities, is a crime. The very fact that pot smokers don't wait for legalization is disturbing.
@JWC3RD You are mistaking a willful ignorance of the law for an addiction. I don't smoke but I have family, friends and, co-workers that have smoked. Anyone that goes cold turkey from weed does not have the same withdraw symptoms that a normal smoker goes through. It is easier for your average cannibus consumer to put down a joint then it is for a smoker to put down a cig. As you have pointed out before kids do a wonderful job of circumventing a system to get what they want
@trapparkid What I must really ask is this, would you follow a rule or law that you didn't believe in? That's what your argument comes down to actually, The fact that no one is willing to wait is not due to any addiction to the drug, it's due to the fact that they believe that the law is biased and unfair and that there are far more dangerous and destructive drugs that are legal today, and to a large extent they are right, so they chose to ignore a law they don't believe in.
@trapparkid - That statement indicates, however, that there IS some level of withdrawal, meaning that - even if it is a mild one - there IS an addiction issue with marijuana. And that would likely be multiplied in an individual that is PRONE to addictions in the first place. You have confirmed that my position is correct that marijuana should only be legal for legitimate medical treatment. And your family, friends and co-workers who use have committed a crime by buying and smoking it.
@JWC3RD The statement suggests there might be a possibility of withdraw, again seeing as how I have never smoked it, and I have never seen anyone around me who smokes snap at someone or sweat for no apparent reason or be jittery or any other symptom of withdraw I can infer that there is no reasonable symptoms. If there was any addictive qualities to it then it can be assumed that they are less potent then cigarettes, your logic is still lacking
Have you not gotten it yet...? That I am PRO MARIJUANA! In fact I'm stoned at the time. Funny how none of my words are broken or miss spelled like in your last message. "Join You" in taking A stand against Marijuana use?! "What You talking about Willis"? "NEXT"!
What is wrong with all you people giving thumbs up to that guy who says, "Im gonna run for president, win, legalize weed and then quit"?? You should all be appalled and shocked, and try to talk some sense into him! It's terrible that he would say such a thing! This sets a terrible example! I suppose he's a pot smoker, too. And then he doesn't even use correct capitalization or punctuation! No apostrophe, no period, etc.
@machomeerkat Do YOU have something to cure??? All you pot smokers rave about how medicinal pot is, yet you just want your "buzz". People need to grow up.
@BammnDan - it is a plant with mind-altering and mood-altering substances occurring within it. By that rationale, you favor the legalization of the cocaine, because it is a plant. You also must favor the legalization of heroin, because IT is the product of a plant. You must also favor peyote, because it is a plant. You must also favor the legalization of natural LSD because it is formed naturally (from ergot).
And most of the "processed" drugs are nothing more than synthetic versions of "naturally" growing things that are illegal because their by-products are mind-altering and mood-altering substances.
And its because of one Guy who's name I unfortunately forgot back in the 1930s and keeping marijuana illegal is fucking up our country's economy, seriously!
@20nimajneb - Here's an idea for all you marijuana advocates who are concerned about the economy. Quit spending your money on marijuana and use it to help support the legitimate and legal economy. Until of course, marijuana is legal and you can then buy your pot AND help the legitimate economy. Until then, you are profiting murderers and rapists and thugs.
@20nimajneb - It does? Chapter and verse please. The Bible I read instructs us NOT to become intoxicated but to keep ourselves of sound mind and body. That actually indicates that the Bible does NOT say marijuana is okay (at least for recreational use, which IS really what all of you are TRULY advocating, right?)
The question in any free state should never be why should it be legal it should always be why should it be illegal? Why should we sacrifice this freedom for "security" what are we being secured from? If you sacrifice freedom for security, you lose both -Ron Paul.
@cindybin2001 ok i really want to know why do you think it should be illegal to smoke weed a real reason that effects people other than the person that is taking it because if there is no other reason then it shouldnt be illegal
@TheNicko89 - well, considering that SMOKING marijuana puts marijuana smoke into the air and it is the marijuana SMOKE that delivers the intoxicating, mind-altering, mood-altering substance, IF the person using it was anywhere NEAR someone else who was not a user and did not want to be a user, the chances of involuntary intoxication would be present. No different than how cigarettes can present a harmful effect upon non-smokers in the presence of a smoker.
And I have been to a concert, where while sitting with a family of one of the band's members, someone NEAR to us was smoking marijuana. It's not something I appreciated having done. So perhaps it should be illegal because of the inconsiderate behavior of users who use in the presence of those who don't.
@JWC3RD Not necessarily true, the smoke is the by product of of the burning, the smoke alone is enough to cause mild discomfort pending the sensitivity of the persons in the surrounding area but not truly enough to high someone who wasn't intentionally inhaling it in. But the last line in your comment it true, a secondhand effect is present
the only arguments i hear against weed make no sense how mm there arguments arent even ter own thoughts its the thought of whoever made illegal in the first place and people have just been fed false facts about weed for years and are too stupid to realise this just please people think about it and stop thinkin negativly
@TheNicko89 Of course I haven't smoked pot! It's illegal! Where would I get it?? And of course now you will say, "Well if you haven't ever smoked pot, then you have no right to comment!" I've heard it all before, a million times from you pot smokers. You don't have to have smoked pot to know that you get "buzzed" from it, just like casual booze drinkers do from their "fine wine" or "beer with the guys", etc. It just isn't right and you know it. People really need to grow up and set an example.
@cindybin2001 You are what educated people call an ignorant you cant say that marijuana is bad if you have never smoked your judging with blindness you only think marijuana is bad because you have been trained to unless you take the time to ask yourself how could you criminialize somthing that is natural and does no harm if anything it sharpens your brain and allows you to open your mind and think in a deeper way the only way your opinion will even mean anything is if you give it a chance.try it
@MeltingUniverse Oh for heaven's sake. I never said "marijuana is bad". It's a psychoactive drug. People use it to get "buzzed" or "high" and that is not a good thing to do! don't you get it? Didn't your parents teach you any better morals or values or common sense? Grow up! We shouldn't use drugs to relax and unwind, enjoy life, etc. And taht includes alcohol, which is also a drug. And pot is ILLEGAL!!! If you get busted, you will suffer the consequences!
@JWC3RD Not only have you accused me of something I've not done, which IS a crime, go check the fucking LAW, but you'e making up lies about 'facts' on a subject you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
You're a liar and an idiot. Go pedal your BS somewhere else. Perhaps to someone who'll believe your BS... try a bible-camp.
@Itsmeeman1 - Wait a second. Did I actually ACCUSE you? I said, "it seems to me". That's not an actual accusation. It could be simply that you're stupid. . However, if you HAVEN'T done it, why are you so in favor OF IT? So I am inclined to believe that if you favor legalization, you favor it for a reason....a PERSONAL reason. And, since you are for it, why would you get upset if someone thinks that you are smoking it? Do you also get into losing fights with yourself? Probably so.
@JWC3RD dumb ass. Legalization is supported by half the country. Not just stoners. It takes a true moron to not see that prohibition does more damage then pot itself. It causes drug cartels, lives ruined, us using out dated fuels and plants to make products that damage the environment, people being uneducated, sick people not getting help, and by categorizing it and causing it to be sold in the same places as hard drugs, you people cause it to be a gateway drug.
Alcohol should be made illegal as it is a drug too! Think about the many who has died from alcohol abuse and related death in drunk driving.
patsaxon 19 hours ago
There's no "bad way" to use marijuana
MrJMain420 1 day ago 4
psh its just way too good
yeaTHATguy187 3 days ago
The research that I've done shows that it was originally restricted as a result of smart lobbyists from Standard Oil and Du Pont back in the late 1800's who privately realized that industrial hemp was a superior source of fuel and other materials than petroleum. The big problem was that they couldn't monopolize it as effectively as petroleum. Their efforts still pay off today. Hemp is associated with hippies and bongs instead of with food and fuel. To hell with the enviroment and global warming.
loyalistjohn 4 days ago
dude weed is al-natural, so is to'baky, onion, broccoli, poison ivy etc. they're all plants too, but aren't illegal, hell hemlock'll kill ya, like the great philosopher, broccoli won't taste so good, but mix with onion and you got tasty stir fry, smoke da tobaky and feel like shit scratching that poison ivy. But with weed roll a blunt, grab some butter and seasoned salt on the broccoli and onion you've forgotten the ivy itch from the bong, but in the end you snuggle up next to your hemlock plant
greenfish13 6 days ago
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The only reason weed MAY be a gateway drug is the fact that people have to go to possible criminals who are in the drug business and who are selling drugs like meth and heroin. Make it legal and people won't have to go to these shady people and possibly get coerced into doing a harder drugs.
chongtommy92 1 week ago
damn...........watching this makes me want to burn a bowl.......havent in months..........been having dreams about smoking it
XJT1972X 1 week ago
who cares if its illegal, if it were legal than everyone will be smoking it and it becomes less bad ass, and secondly weed is goin to be like ciggarettes, think about it, theyre gnna put joints in ciggarete boxes and then sooner or later people are goin to be buying lots of it then people will get bored of the buzz...
xKeLoNeRvEx 1 week ago
@xKeLoNeRvEx weed isnt about looking "bad ass" its about enjoying it yourself. Who cares if everyone else does it, good for them! If all your concerned about is looking cool then im afraid your thinking of things all the wrong way my friend
RogerWiggles 1 week ago
@RogerWiggles half the reason why people smoke it is because its bad ass
xKeLoNeRvEx 1 week ago
@xKeLoNeRvEx No, its not. Your making us all sound retarded. Its not bad ass. Its relaxing, pretty much the opposite of bad ass. We smoke it for relaxation, concentration, self medicating illnesses, civil disobedience, and because its a great life style. If your only smoking it because you think its bad ass and you want to be cool then your an immature child who's too insecure to be a bad ass without it. If you have to say somethings bad ass then its not. That includes you
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@xKeLoNeRvEx No there not. Go get arrested and go to jail for pot like I've had to put up with twice now and let me know if you still don't care whether or not its legal when you have to attend a treatment program and get weekly drug tests. Or better yet, have the police raid your house and let me know how you feel. They'll usually shoot your dogs and take you from your parents. I was lucky enough that when i got raided this didn't happen but that's how they usually turn out
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
In the 70's the government hired a scientist in Ohio..to study Canibis..They wanted him to make a synthetic form ..which he did..He created something called K2..or NOT POT,in his studies he concluded he could not make such a substance safe ...fast forward to our present time,Its suddenly on the market,Its manufactured in CHINA.Why is it on the market now?It was a banned,The scientist who created it wrote extensively about its dangers and it had no positive purpose..Real Canibis is not dangerous.
Stoneforter 1 week ago
0:52 shes rigght
TranSOMfilms 1 week ago
For all who wanna know, just Google marijuana and the Bible and click the top site.
20nimajneb 1 week ago
Hmmm?
20nimajneb 1 week ago
Weed - illegal Beer - Legal
Me on beer - hurting People
Me on Weed - Eating Food
Oh yeah Weed is so unsafe That poor bag of sweets had to go into my cotton mouth
kylester111 1 week ago 2
I was expecting some legitimate reasons like its unhealthy because blah blah blah and all I got is that its illegal because the government said so
warrick90 1 week ago
@warrick90 actually it is illegal because the government guys are taking money from people who selling the stuff to keep their mouth shut....
FuriousFnF 1 week ago
Yea I get it. It's all a government conspiracy. I guess it's true when you smoke pot you can get a little paranoid. It's not that bad for most but like alcohol has it's alcoholics Pot smokers have their lifetime stoners. If people want to wreck their brains it's their choice but do you have to promote it?
HUMBULLPIE 2 weeks ago
saying pot should be illegal is saying coffe beer cigs should be illegal. pot is as harmful as any legal harmful things. theres no good argument that can show why marijuana should be illegal..
SovixR 2 weeks ago
People should watch 'The Union' on google video
TheCosmicGypsies 2 weeks ago
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God put this amazing herb on earth for a reason. Maybe this plant is the key to world peace
123boredvideos 2 weeks ago
she is hot!
dannman4209 2 weeks ago
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Marijuana is illegal because in the 1900's hemp products were becoming more popular, like hemp paper ect, and the shitty government was losing money because it was more natural and cleaner than most products back then and because they weren’t making money from it the government made it "illegal".
drewza234 2 weeks ago
and since then all these shitty excuses have been made to keep it illegal and because they can't tax it they and they still can't make money from it stays illegal, it has also been proven that it safer than alcohol, tobacco and painkillers(aspirin, ect.) so Marijuana being illegal is a joke.
drewza234 2 weeks ago
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drewza234 2 weeks ago
@Bioshockgamer334 haha you cant get through @cindybin2001, its funny shes on nearly every informative video on cannabis. Her only argument is that its a "drug" so dont do it! Well hell so are prescriptions which contain meth and opiates. You cant get through to these conservative people.
athurman193 2 weeks ago
Illegal because of lies and slander. Even for recreational purposes I don't think it messes you up enough to justify being illegal.
Chakan 2 weeks ago
It's funny how this video, nor many others (presumably favoring legalization) don't understand that the PRIMARY reason why marijuana is illegal is because it is a mind-altering, mood-altering substance. If it weren't, it is doubtful that those pushing for legalization would be pushing for legalization. Another reason why it is illegal is that there is no way -unlike alcohol tests - to determine level of intoxication or impairment.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
a third reason why marijuana is illegal is because, depending upon level of use, marijuana can stay in the system (before completely metabolizing out) anywhere from 13 DAYS for light use up to 90 DAYS for heavy use. Alcohol, in a person with a .15 blood alcohol level, will metabolize the alcohol within 10 hours of cessation of consumption. Marijuana HAS been proven to be a contributing factor in on-the-job injuries, due to its mind and mood altering effects. So there ARE legitimate reasons.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
So I find it intriguing that, in all the "expert" opinions, not one of these three reasons was listed.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD That is simply false, there are legitimate concerns over negative health aspects however these do not validate and certainly do not justify its criminality. Statistical evidence is unreliable as the disproportionate numbers of poverty stricken/under educated users is high (for reasons we can discuss) thus skewing results. Tests have also shown that being high can reduce chances of vehicular accidents due to irrational fear s.
mehico33 2 weeks ago
@mehico33 - And that brings about a fourth reason. Why is it that such a LARGE number of HEAVY users are disproportionately poverty stricken/under educated exists? Which begs the question, does heavy use CAUSE the users to become disproportionately poverty stricken and undereducated or does being disproportionately poverty stricken and undereducated LEAD to heavy use? And exactly HOW do these disproportionately poverty stricken and undereducated users afford such a heavy habit?
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD To support prohibition is to punish the many for the crimes of the few, is to unjustly dismiss the powerful positive effects proclaimed by its users (including the likes of Benjamin Franklin, Carl Sagan etc) and to actively support the funding of criminal organizations who inherit a monopoly on the drug market.
Alcohol may metabolize quicker but just look at the statistics, the damage it causes both to society as a whole and to the health of users is infinitely greater.
mehico33 2 weeks ago
Plus - with the exception of marijuana legally grown for medical purposes, those who USE marijuana ARE supporting (currently) an industry that fuels extreme violence and murder and other crimes by those who produce, process and distribute marijuana world-wide. Considering the ILLEGAL status and the violence associated with it, why is it that USERS didn't stop using so as to BOYCOTT the drug cartels for their violence in the drug trade?
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@mehico33 - Beg to differ. If it is prohibited and illegal, then ANYONE who is actively involved in its illegal production and distribution, IS committing one or more crimes. And I am not disputing that there are positive medical applications. But, just like Methadone and other strictly controlled medical substances, the ONLY legal form of marijuana should be for medical treatment and strictly controlled. Why? Because it's a mind-altering, mood-altering substance.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD As are coffee, alcohol and tobacco. A little consistency would be nice. You also ignore the fact that cannabis alters consciousness for the better (in most cases, it certainly isn't for everybody. Hell, there are people who cannot eat nuts. Who are allergic to certain plants etc).
There is simply no justification for the persecution of those who seek the benefits of the sweet leaf. I wasn't disputing the negative health aspects it has... (cont)
mehico33 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD ...(cont) I was simply informing you that they do not justify its illegality. Technically it is a crime to use/possess/supply pot, but it is a moral crime to persecute those who benefit from it. I am unwilling to hold the opinions of my fellow apes over the basic sensibilities, to kidnap someone and lock them in a cage for doing something that is only potentially damaging to themselves is akin to stoning a woman for adultery. Utterly senseless.
mehico33 2 weeks ago
@mehico33 - well, technically, many of the aspects of marijuana DO justify it being illegal or, at least, a heavily restricted medicinal substance. And, no, in LEGITIMATE cases where there is a medical and clinical benefit for a patient to receive a prescription for medical marijuana, I have no problem with that. The thing is, there seem to be an awful lot of people WITHOUT a medical condition advocating for its legalization - as if THEY are going to benefit. Why would they?
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
The fact that is potentially damaging is also a very good reason to keep it illegal or only legal for legitimate medical use. At least until enough studies are done that address ALL the potential damaging effects of marijuana usage have been addressed. So far, they haven't.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Because it is of great benefit to many people even with no medical application. Myself for example, I smoke regularly for a heightened sense of realization (something that sounds crazy to anybody that hasn't experienced it) and appreciation for life, it transformed this nihilistic factory drone into a total "high-on-life-er".
You make the same baseless assertion that there is justification for its illegality, you have a warped view of "justice".
mehico33 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD You're quite right! So is alcohol! I say make them both illegal.
spacemonkey1463 2 weeks ago
@spacemonkey1463 - I would not be opposed. As the son of an alcoholic (and his alcoholism was a contributing factor to my dad's death following surgery for urinary bladder cancer), I have seen first hand, experienced first hand what alcohol does to someone who is not able to handle it. It is why I favor some kind of "notice" be placed on the drivers license or personal ID card, if a person has been arrested even once for DUI. All bars and liquor stores would be required to check ALL ID;s...
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
and would be prohibited from selling or serving to ANYONE with such a notification on their license or ID. They (stores and bars) would also be subject to serious charges for selling or serving to anyone who has that on their card. I would also expect something similar regarding marijuana, if it were ever legalized beyond that for medical purposes.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Marijuana is illegal because of a smear campaign created in the late 1930's as a result of the paper, fuel, clothing, and tobacco companies almost being overran by the hemp industry. At this time Mexican immigrants were starting to come to America which also frustrated politicians. They handled this problem and killed 2 birds with one stone by labeling it with the Mexican term Marijuana and demonizing both the plant and the race saying it makes people kill eachother and Mexicans
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Yes, THAT'S the ONLY reason. It's NOT that marijuana is a mind-altering, mood-altering substance that can put the person into such a state of ease that reaction responses slow down, etc. It's NOT that it's illegal because - apparently, so far - they have not developed a field test to check for intoxication or level of impairment. It's NOT illegal because the active component(s) can stay within a human system for up to 90 days, depending upon frequency of use.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD bring it hear. They made pot illegal and created Mexican racism that still carries to this date with black and white films stating that its more addictive then heroin and makes you lose complete control of your mind and kill people. They shoved this down American children's throats(which there were a lot of because a lot of WWII veterans wanted to settle down and have kids at once) These are the elderly people running America today who are too uneducated to understand the facts
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Pot remains illegal not only because these people believe these lies but because Americans will believe any thing they see on TV. Also the government is more then likely making money from it so why give up a few bucks for happiness? I know all the facts and the short version is that pot effects your body and mind no more then a cup of coffee, you can test the levels in your system with a lab drug test, and yes stupid people smoke pot, its not what made them stupid, they just are
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - No, pot remains illegal because there are serious, LEGITIMATE questions that need to be addressed FIRST. As far as stupid people using pot, rather than pot making people stupid. There does seem to be a disproportionate number of stupid people who use pot, far too frequently. Correlation perhaps?
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Well about 60% of people who use pot are stupid. Yet about 90% of the population is reasonably stupid. I'm saying you don't smoke it, i don't smoke it. I'm educated and your borderline retarded. A lot of the potheads on here use real statistics, and many are just 14 year olds that think they no what they are talking about. A reasonable amount of people are stupid, a reasonable amount of people smoke pot. So obviously a reasonable amount of pot heads are going to me stupid
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - You're educated and I am "borderline retarded"? The next interesting comment you make has me wondering whether or not you are a 14 year-old pothead. "A lot of potheads on here use REAL statistics and MANY ARE JUST 14 years old THAT THINK THEY 'NO' (sic) what they are talking about". Seriously? And with the last line of your comment, I can only say, "Dude, what have you been smoking? Oh wait, we're on a thread about pot. Nevermind."
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD I do not smoke pot. I did smoke it every day for 2 years though. I can honestly say that pot has absolutely no noticeable long term effects and the short term are pretty much about as bad as a cup of coffee. I'm done arguing about this. You can sit here and be a jackass or you can go out and smoke a blunt to realize how small of a thing it is we put people in jail for. And no, im not gonna read all of your posts and worry about small typos just to prove your a dumb ass
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - well, I have been reading your posts and, from reading your posts, I can tell that you did pot - at some point - frequently and in somewhat significant quantity. That you SAY that it has had absolutely no noticeable long term effects on you is pretty much the same as the drunk driver saying to the cop, "Nonshense, Os....os...oss...ossifer.....I ha....haaa....haaanvent had drinksh!!! I'm purrrrr.....puuuurrrrr....comtepley shober!!!"
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And it's a "small thing"? The pot YOU smoked came through the illicit drug trade. A trade in which the cartels that grow it, cultivate it, harvest it, pack it ship it, smuggle it...etc., engage in murder, extortion, intimidation, rape, physical violence etc., to make sure you had some "weed" to smoke every day for two years. But YOU did nothing wrong, right? Wrong.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Maybe there wouldnt be so much violence if it wasnt illegal. When alcohol was illegal, there was so much violence and murder over the mafias and gangs selling it legally. now that its legal, there is no gang wars over it. Imagine if it were legalized. there wouldnt be so much violence over the drug. It would be treated like a normal product.
caller347 2 weeks ago
@caller347 - but the problem is, the people who are advocating its legalization amount to a lot of people who are already using it and HAVE already used it for a long time. And they didn't get it from the store. They are, in effect, funding the murder and the terror that is committed by the drug cartels. If they REALLY cared about the crime that was behind their "purchases" they wouldn't have purchased it UNTIL it was legal. They would have done their petitions for legalization, but not used
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And the other problem is that, because it IS a mind-altering and mood-altering substance, it SHOULD NOT be legalized for common, recreational use. Medical use, I have no problem with. Common recreational use, I do. I have a problem with alcohol based on the same reasons.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD if it was legalized, it would be placed in stores and therefore we would no longer fund the cartels that grow it.
caller347 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD yeah, i smoked 2-12 blunts a day every day for roughly 2-3 years. Maybe if you smoked one you could think out side the damn box for once and realize how special you sound from anyone else's perspective.
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - which means you funded murder, terror, retaliation against law enforcement, political corruption, rape, torture, etc. I would applaud your "contribution" to society, but sadly, I don't see one.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD No, i never bought my pot from Mexicans or sand people. I personally trace everything i ever bought and its grown hydroponically by Italians in New York and Philly. You on the other hand support children with cancer dying and good hard working people looking for relief in life being put in prison. And if i did support drug cartels, just remember that they are only in business because of people like you
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Ah, so you were SO into your pot that you tracked its history from seed to pipe? LOL!!! SURE you did. Secondly, I thought I made it clear that I have no problem with a legitimate medical use for the substance - but under which it is strictly controlled. I have checked and have seen that it is listed as Class 1 substance and, according to the requirements, should be at most on Class 2 (since it does seem to have medical use).
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
It should not, however, be listed at anything less than Class 3. It should remain highly controlled and highly restricted but I have no problem with it being used, LEGITIMATELY as a medical treatment regimen. The problem is - with most you the posters here - I don't think the majority of you are suffering from anything that would REQUIRE any doctor to issue such a prescription for marijuana. And, no, they are in business because of people like you.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
It's one thing to support carte blanch legalization if you are NOT using, though I could see someone who doesn't use supporting it being recategorized as a Class II or Class III substance, but THAT'S not what most of you favor. You CLAIM it isn't addictive, so you had NO reason to use it while it was illegal. Therefore, YOU are to blame for supporting the drug cartels. You should have and could have abstained until it gained legal status, but you didn't. Why not?
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And that indicates that something is not quite right in the pro-pot campaign.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD oh, dont forget us spending several billion dollars a year on this shit while were trillions in debt and looking like morons
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - and we had to spend billions in fighting this "war on drugs" because "innocent toking smoking" citizens (like you) were funding the illegal drug trade in the United States. Gee, if you had spent even HALF the money you probably shelled out for pot on the campaign to legalize it, it probably would have been legalized long before now - at least for medicinal purposes. But, no, you HAD to light up 2-12 blunts a day for at least two years.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
and let me guess. You got your pot money from delivering dinners to the homeless and senior citizens of the county, right? Of COURSE you did(n't).
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD And do you not think we need to answer questions about ritalin/aderal(amphetamines), benzodiazapins, anti-depressants, and synthetic brands of heroin such as morphine, vicodin, percocetes, methadone and oxycotton? Of course we do but we give them to the people who need them without worrying about side effects when we could be giving them something much safer.
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - because they are prescription drugs. Please pay attention to at least SOME of my posts. I am actually NOT opposed to the use of marijuana as a LEGITIMATE medical treatment, but - JUST LIKE the other CONTROLLED medications - it needs to be strictly controlled and regulated so that the only people receiving it ARE people who need it for legitimate medical conditions.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And a lot of people DO worry about their effects. The drugs' manufacturer's certainly do with their lists of "possible side effect" (my favorite - because I find it so fascinating that someone would take a drug with THIS particular side effect - is "death"). That is why they are restricted medications. Unless you have Michael Jackson's doctor and then you can sound like a pair of maracas when you walk - well, IF you can walk.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Look jackass, you obviously stopped responding because no one can argue with me on this topic without looking stupid. The real truth is that cannabis is a miracle plant with hundreds of medical purposes we never expected and unlimited in industrial uses. Car, fuels, clothing, paper, alcohol, pretty much anything. We've been smoking it for thousands of years and nothing bad has ever come from it. Prohibition is purely about control,and anyone who thinks theres more to it is a tard
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Yeah, THAT'S the reason. It COULDN'T possibly be that you are one extraordinarily obtuse retard, could it? Of course not. Not to YOU, the Extraordinarity Obtuse Retard. And you apparently have missed some of my other posts. I have NO PROBLEM with marijuana being legally used for legitimate medical treatments. But the majority of the people posting here (including you) are NOT talking about a limited medical legalization. You are talking about common legalization.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
Yes, NOTHING bad has come of people smoking it for thousands of years. Not all those unemployed, uneducated masses who smoke it. Nope, their kind have led to all kinds of miraculous cures and discoveries in science and medicine and....oh wait a second, we are talking about pot-smokers. As for the uses of HEMP? No one has disputed those. But the toxic (mind-altering, mood-altering) substances CAN be removed through processing. Perhaps it could be removed and then shipped to drug companies.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
to be processed into medical treatments that only those, who REALLY need them, will have access to, through their doctors. And, sorry, Dr. Feelgood will not be able to prescribe to anyone.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
@JWC3RD The only reason why such an idiotic people smoke it is because there stupid and just want to get fucked up. Those people make us all look like idiots. But what about the success stories? Obama, Bush, every musical artist and actor, along with everyone working with them. Zeppelin?, Wiz Khalifa? Pink Floyd? Eminem? The Beatles? Guess there the most uneducated unemployed people of all. Yet they make twice your life savings every 15 minutes. Who's really the idiot?
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - "the only reason why such an idiotic people smoke it is because there stupid...." "THERE stupid"? "Talented" does not necessarily equate to intellectual brilliance. The fact that people who are stoned out of their minds (not just on pot) can still get up on a stage and play, says more for talent and luck than it says for intelligence. And, of course, their private lives are perfect role models worthy of emulation, right?
JWC3RD 1 week ago
But then there are the following: Jimmie Hendrix - dead, Janis Joplin - dead, Jim Morrison - dead, Keith Moon - dead, River Phoenix - dead, Anissa Jones - dead. And those are just SOME of the people who died from drugs. No doubt, they all began with pot. Then there are the many artists who died as the result of what drug use did to them over the years, several after being clean for several years.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
@JWC3RD you know what else all of those people were involved with? show business. the reason they died is not as simple as "they did drugs" if they were still alive i'm positive they would also either be depressed or suffer from some other form of psychological illness.
longliverocknroll5 1 week ago
@JWC3RD Nothing to do with pot. Of course if you go out with the mindset of doing a bunch of drugs the first one you will find is pot. This doesn't mean its a gateway drug it just means its the most common CDS. And writing music still requires intelligence.
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@JWC3RD Thomas Jefferson? John Adams? Jack Herer? Abe Lincoln? Albert Einstein? Louis Armstrong? Franklin Pierce? Obama? Bush? Stephen King? Bob Marley? John Wayne? Paul McCartney? Jennifer Anisten? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Linda McCartney? Art Garfunkel? Carl Sagan? Howard Stern? Jesse Ventura? George Washington? Are these people stupid unemployed potheads? Or Are they proof your a moron that still believes bullshit propaganda from the 30's. Do some real research on why its illegal.
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Well, in LOOKING, found out that neither Washington or Jefferson actually SMOKED HEMP. They produced it for the OTHER purposes for which hemp was used. In part, no doubt, because not as many people SMOKED it as you want to believe. It was grown and used (for its other many purposes) until people started smoking it and became impaired....then they had to find other alternatives for all its productive uses...
JWC3RD 6 days ago
I can only presume, too, that you are lying about several of the other people though, from your list, some of them probably did.
JWC3RD 6 days ago
@JWC3RD And just so you know, removing Tetrahydrocannabinol from pot would not only take away being the psychoactive parts, it would also make it have no effect on cancer patients. Also, just because the stereotypical stoner is unemployed doesn't mean we all are. Most of the stoners in my area have jobs and live in half million dollar houses including myself. Just because stupid people love weed doesn't mean weed makes you stupid. They were just born that way
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - I am not arguing that you take away the THC for medical purposes. I was under the impression that it was the THC that provides the effective medical treatment. I have no problem with medical (legitimate) treatment legality of marijuana. I am opposed to the full and unrestricted access to marijuana that you seem to support.
JWC3RD 6 days ago
@JWC3RD I do not see any reason to not fully legalize marijuana and sell it/tax it the same way we do alcohol. Kids would have a harder time accessing it, and the adults who deserve to enjoy it would not have to risk so much in the process. This would shut down the drug cartels and prevent it from being the gateway drug. And i guarantee there would be no negative side effects. Can you think of any? It is only the sensible thing to do. Also, you should respect civil disobedience more.
GorillaTerrorist56 5 days ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Yes, taxing alcohol and cigarettes has really kept kids from having access to them. And adults DESERVE to enjoy it? Why? Why cannot you not just enjoy life without it? Why do you feel you need it? So badly, in fact, that you break the law to "enjoy" it? Why is that?
JWC3RD 5 days ago
@JWC3RD It is so much easier for kids to buy any drug then alcohol and cigarettes so in my opinion, yes. I don't know were your from but in New Jersey its working great other then for kids with stupid parents. Also, i do not feel anyone needs it other then cancer patients. This we can both agree on. But we deserve to make our own choices and be able to try new things as long as they are safe to be happy. We break the law to promote civil disobedience. Its the only thing that works
GorillaTerrorist56 4 days ago
@JWC3RD Anyone who thinks it should have any restrictions has an IQ less then that of a shovel and 2 candy bracelets. Do you have any idea how long we've been smoking pot for? 3,000 years. Any idea how many deaths its caused? 0. How many people with lung damage? 0. Long term mental side effects? 0. Deaths from prohibition? Thousands. Imprisonments? Millions. Money its cost us? Billions.
GorillaTerrorist56 1 week ago
@GorillaTerrorist56 - Well, if it is a gateway drug, then it HAS caused deaths indirectly. And most certainly people have died within the production cycle of marijuana. It is a mind-altering and mood-altering substance and, therefore, should be restricted IF legal. It should only be available for legitimate medical reason and nothing more.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
And, apparently, it dulls the conscience of users to not care about the thousands of deaths caused by them from creating a demand for an illegal product from suppliers who would murder innocent people. It just never occurs to people, like you, who cry for social justice but engage in supporting an industry that has such a socially unjust cycle. If there weren't some form of mild addictive quality, you would have refrained use until it was legal, thus denying the drug cartels a market.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
Strangely, though, for it being such a harmless substance, you did not.
JWC3RD 1 week ago
@JWC3RD Your ignorance astounds me.
liljack10 1 week ago
@liljack10 - such a comment, coming from someone who favor general legalization of marijuana, your comment does not surprise me. Of course, your comment really holds no validity either, considering the source (someone who breaks the law and feeds into the violent subculture of the drug trade).
JWC3RD 6 days ago
@JWC3RD Are you assuming I'm a criminal because I practice my god-given right to smoke pot? I wonder who the criminals are, people using a natural herb to take away stress or those who lock up innocent people and ruin families because it means they will be rewarded with more money for themselves.
liljack10 6 days ago
@liljack10 - I don't have to assume anything. You engaged in the purchase of and use of a restricted substance. That makes you a criminal (one who simply didn't get caught). You are COMPLICIT to other crimes, such as murder and extortion and bribery and theft and rape and any number of more serious crimes in that you support an illegal industry because you believe you have a "god given right to smoke pot".
JWC3RD 6 days ago
Instead of lobbying for AND WAITING for it to become legal.
JWC3RD 6 days ago
@JWC3RD You're unbelievable. You can't possibly blame the people for the existence of drug cartels! That is the fault of the government for banning a harmless substance that is used by millions. If free speech were criminalized, would you assume that all who practice it were criminals, or just practicing their god given right that was taken away by an evil government?
liljack10 5 days ago
@liljack10 - Yes, I actually can blame the people (who buy it and smoke it) for the existence of the drug cartels. If all the drug users - who feel some compulsory NEED to do drugs to alter their minds and moods - didn't start using them, they wouldn't become addicted (with the exception of you marijuana users who SAY you aren't addicted, of course, but STILL buy it illegally anyway) and the drug cartels wouldn't make ANY money and they would have to find another source of revenue.
JWC3RD 5 days ago
And YOU, were you the LAW-ABIDING citizen, could STILL lobby for its legalization, but you would WAIT for that legalization, IF there weren't some "unknown" reason why you buy it illegally and smoke it illegally, that is not addiction related, since it's "not" addictive. In fact, considering that people like you will avoid buying certain brands of tuna because of "fishing method", it is odd you aren't boycotting cartel produced pot.
JWC3RD 5 days ago
Yet, again INEXPLICABLY, you choose to illegally purchase it from the drug cartels (through their distribution rings) and support things like murder and intimidation and terrorism and kidnapping and torture and rape, etc, smoking all your cares away.
JWC3RD 5 days ago
@JWC3RD You're forgetting one important thing. Cannabis itself is harmless, prohibition is not.
liljack10 5 days ago
@liljack10 - YOU say it's harmless. But it impairs people and stays in people's systems far longer than alcohol. A person with a .15 BAC will metabolize the alcohol in about 10 hours. A pot user will take anywhere from a few days up to 90 days, depending on level of use. What that means is a drinker can party hearty on Friday and be good to go (work wise) on Monday. A pot-user (heavy) likely can't work with equipment for three months.
JWC3RD 5 days ago
**Sarcasm alert.....Sarcasm alert!!!** So what POSSIBLY could be the DOWNSIDE of pot-smoking? Gee, I have NO idea at all, cause it's PERFECTLY harmless!!!
**End of Sarcasm Alert.....End of Sarcasm Alert**
JWC3RD 5 days ago
@JWC3RD Also, could you name some "downsides" of pot smoking that you obviously know so much about? You've clearly never smoked pot, yet you claim that a user will remain high for months and not be able to use heavy machinery, which is a load of shit.
liljack10 5 days ago
@liljack10 - it's not my claim. It is, presumably, a determined fact. I would IMAGINE, that the researchers tested the levels within a person based on their usage habits and determined that heavy use DOES cause the active ingredient to stay in the system for up to 90 days. But of course, UNLESS you are admitting to being a heavy user, how would you know that the stat ISN'T true? And that would mean you are personally and heavily financing the illegal drug trade that commits murders.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD I and millions of others. You've never smoked pot or seen anyone under the influence. Do you think that a person stays high for the whole 3 months? What a pathetic argument. That honestly has to be the worst. A high wears off in a few hours and then the user will function at 100%
liljack10 5 days ago
@liljack10 - Yes, I am supposed to believe a POT-SMOKER, who WANTS (perhaps NEEDS) to smoke his pot - so much so that he buys it from the people who murder, torture, intimidate, etc., - so HE KNOWS. Of course, I believe you (that's sarsasm again)
JWC3RD 5 days ago
@liljack10 - I guess that's your excuse for doing so much of it....."well, it 'wears off' in a few hours.....so......pfffffffffffftttttttttt"
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD you are ignorant as hell, you honestly believe that marijuana is dangerous? how? alcohol is so much worse for you than marijuana... i hope you are joking because reading all your bullshit just made me sick
3521soda 4 days ago
@3521soda - I never said that alcohol wasn't dangerous. I would have no problem with them making alcohol illegal, IF they could control it. The problem is because of what alcohol IS and how EASILY it is to make it (considering what IT IS), it is far less easy to control than marijuana. But you don't make one or more mind-altering and mood-altering substances legal because of the inability to control the hardest substance to control.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD You're brainwashed beyond repair. Alcohol IS far more dangerous, IS more difficult to make and it IS, by FAR, more mind altering and addicting. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I smoke pot once a week, that's not heavy use! And just because marijuana can be found in your system does NOT mean anything. You are not "high" for the whole month that it's in your system. You have no right to even be arguing considering you have no valid arguments.
liljack10 4 days ago 4
@liljack10 - Sorry, but no, alcohol is not more difficult to make. Thought you were smart enough to realize that different "juices" naturally ferment (creating an alcoholic beverage). It's natural because it can happen in berries with NO assistance from mankind. Marijuana is specific to ONE kind of plant, therefore it is easier to control. To control alcohol, you would have to restrict access to ANYTHING that could ferment and that would restrict all fruits and a number of vegetables...
JWC3RD 4 days ago
honey (which can be fermented into mead), and many other things. Potatoes would be restricted, corn would be restricted, etc. Now do you see how much of an idiot you made of yourself by your comment? Perhaps not.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD Once again, all I can say is smoke pot for yourself and you'll understand how wrong you've been. Give up on the bullshit government propaganda. You still have not even named a downside of pot smoking. By the way I was actually really high last night. But, for some reason, I don't feel under the influence! Can you explain this scientific phenomenon? No, because it's a myth. A high wears off in hours, depending on how you consume your marijuana, although the max would probably be 8 hours.
liljack10 4 days ago
@liljack10 - I understand that the government engages in propaganda. I also understand that so do supporters of marijuana legalization. I want there to be absolute and sound studies done that prove, without doubt, that the pro-marijuana claims are, by great majority, true. That hasn't happened yet. Talk to me again when it has.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD You're trolling me, aren't you? Marijuana grows on it's own, just like alcohol can be fermented on its own. But regardless, I was talking about bottle shop alcohol. Your argument is invalid. Please stop.
liljack10 4 days ago
@JWC3RD But that is only if it is eaten. You have all these videos and information on the internet. USE IT!
liljack10 4 days ago
@liljack10 - But, when viewing "all these videos and information on the internet", one must always be aware of the source of the videos and the sentiment behind them. If a hundred videos appeared on YouTube touting the "benefits" of crack cocaine, that wouldn't make me more favorable to the legalization or use of crack cocaine, especially if the videos are posted by someone supporting the legalization and use of crack cocaine.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD TROLL lol no one can be that dumb
slponmic 6 days ago
@slponmic - you seem to be proving that they can, with comments like yours, which could only come from a simpleton....or heavy pot-smoker (gee, that's most likely a case of being redundant).
JWC3RD 6 days ago
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JWC3RD 5 days ago
@JWC3RD Just wondering, since both tobacco and alcohol are both mind altering and mood altering shouldnt their use be restricted to medical use only?
trapparkid 6 days ago
@trapparkid - Well, personally, I would have no problem IF they did something like that with tobacco or alcohol, but you ignore some simple facts. First, tobacco may be a mood altering substance, but it is not a mind-altering substance. And the only reason you could really call it a mood-altering substance is likely because of the artificially elevated of nicotine in cigarettes (the primary cause of addiction).
JWC3RD 6 days ago
Generally, too, pipe and cigar smokers, apparently because they don't usually inhale, are less susceptible to addiction. As for alcohol? Much harder to control. Can you guess why? Okay, I will tell you. Marijuana is a plant that contains the active substance that causes intoxication. Alcohol comes from a fermentation process of natural, normally HEALTHY varieties of produce. Fermentation itself IS A NATURAL process. It has only been refined by man.
JWC3RD 6 days ago
It's one of the primary reasons why it was - and would be - harder to control the production and distribution of alcohol than it is to control marijuana. Thought you would have known that, but not surprised that you don't. It seems to be, though, that you are arguing that because tobacco and alcohol are legal, then we should legalize marijuana. By that rationale, ALL drugs should be legal. Then, again, maybe that's fine with you too.
JWC3RD 6 days ago
@JWC3RD Actually if you can regulate it so that consenting adults have the ability to indulge and keep it out of the hands kids till they become of age then it falls onto the person as self responsibility. Again if you educate someone in the dangers of doing something then if they participate, they cannot claim that they did it of anything less than their own volition. Whats wrong with that?
trapparkid 6 days ago
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JWC3RD 6 days ago
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@trapparkid - Yes, Trapp.....regulating cigarettes and alcohol has worked so wonderfully well in keeping it out of the hands of kids. Gee, do you understand sarcasm all "stoned out", like you probably are, or don't you?
JWC3RD 6 days ago
@JWC3RD If you must resort to insult slinging to support your argument then I am afraid your argument is not particularly strong. I have never smoked before, and i can say that I don't particularly feel the need to. Then again it is the parents responsibility to keep alcohol, cigarettes and weed out of their children's hands, if the kid obtains it what they do with it is a direct reflection of the failure of the parents inability to properly educate the child.
trapparkid 4 days ago
@JWC3RD The addiction is in itself a mind alteration, as your body would not have this reaction to just nicotine without the additives, (provided you did not flood your body with it and create an environment where you body accepted nicotine as a naturally occurring chemical) It is in a lesser scale compared to the hard drugs of Heroin and Crack but an artificial attachment and need for a chemical, AKA a dependency is a mind alteration as it wouldn't happen without the presence of the chemical.
trapparkid 6 days ago
@trapparkid - but there is a fundamental difference in the manner by which tobacco alters the mind and the manner that marijuana alters the mind. And as you indicated, there has to be some kind subtle addictive quality to marijuana because so many people, who smoke it, seem to be willing to do so (buy it and smoke it) despite the fact that do obtain it is a crime; to possess it in large enough quantities, is a crime. The very fact that pot smokers don't wait for legalization is disturbing.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD You are mistaking a willful ignorance of the law for an addiction. I don't smoke but I have family, friends and, co-workers that have smoked. Anyone that goes cold turkey from weed does not have the same withdraw symptoms that a normal smoker goes through. It is easier for your average cannibus consumer to put down a joint then it is for a smoker to put down a cig. As you have pointed out before kids do a wonderful job of circumventing a system to get what they want
trapparkid 4 days ago
@trapparkid What I must really ask is this, would you follow a rule or law that you didn't believe in? That's what your argument comes down to actually, The fact that no one is willing to wait is not due to any addiction to the drug, it's due to the fact that they believe that the law is biased and unfair and that there are far more dangerous and destructive drugs that are legal today, and to a large extent they are right, so they chose to ignore a law they don't believe in.
trapparkid 4 days ago
@trapparkid - That statement indicates, however, that there IS some level of withdrawal, meaning that - even if it is a mild one - there IS an addiction issue with marijuana. And that would likely be multiplied in an individual that is PRONE to addictions in the first place. You have confirmed that my position is correct that marijuana should only be legal for legitimate medical treatment. And your family, friends and co-workers who use have committed a crime by buying and smoking it.
JWC3RD 4 days ago
@JWC3RD The statement suggests there might be a possibility of withdraw, again seeing as how I have never smoked it, and I have never seen anyone around me who smokes snap at someone or sweat for no apparent reason or be jittery or any other symptom of withdraw I can infer that there is no reasonable symptoms. If there was any addictive qualities to it then it can be assumed that they are less potent then cigarettes, your logic is still lacking
as for the smokers yes they have but what of it?
trapparkid 4 days ago
4:25 look stoned
Rockdetender 3 weeks ago
Have you not gotten it yet...? That I am PRO MARIJUANA! In fact I'm stoned at the time. Funny how none of my words are broken or miss spelled like in your last message. "Join You" in taking A stand against Marijuana use?! "What You talking about Willis"? "NEXT"!
BammnDan 3 weeks ago
What is wrong with all you people giving thumbs up to that guy who says, "Im gonna run for president, win, legalize weed and then quit"?? You should all be appalled and shocked, and try to talk some sense into him! It's terrible that he would say such a thing! This sets a terrible example! I suppose he's a pot smoker, too. And then he doesn't even use correct capitalization or punctuation! No apostrophe, no period, etc.
cindybin2001 3 weeks ago
WTF a guy sais it's iligal because its a drug WTF MEDICINE IS A DRUG AND MARIJUANA IS MAINLY USED TO CURE PPL
machomeerkat 3 weeks ago
@machomeerkat Do YOU have something to cure??? All you pot smokers rave about how medicinal pot is, yet you just want your "buzz". People need to grow up.
cindybin2001 3 weeks ago
@machomeerkat It is a plant. dried and smoked. Drugs are processed.
BammnDan 3 weeks ago
@BammnDan - it is a plant with mind-altering and mood-altering substances occurring within it. By that rationale, you favor the legalization of the cocaine, because it is a plant. You also must favor the legalization of heroin, because IT is the product of a plant. You must also favor peyote, because it is a plant. You must also favor the legalization of natural LSD because it is formed naturally (from ergot).
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And most of the "processed" drugs are nothing more than synthetic versions of "naturally" growing things that are illegal because their by-products are mind-altering and mood-altering substances.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And its because of one Guy who's name I unfortunately forgot back in the 1930s and keeping marijuana illegal is fucking up our country's economy, seriously!
20nimajneb 3 weeks ago 2
@20nimajneb - Here's an idea for all you marijuana advocates who are concerned about the economy. Quit spending your money on marijuana and use it to help support the legitimate and legal economy. Until of course, marijuana is legal and you can then buy your pot AND help the legitimate economy. Until then, you are profiting murderers and rapists and thugs.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
It says in the Bible that marijuana is ok, yet for some unaparent reason we are suppose to one nation under God, what it up with this country?
20nimajneb 3 weeks ago
@20nimajneb - It does? Chapter and verse please. The Bible I read instructs us NOT to become intoxicated but to keep ourselves of sound mind and body. That actually indicates that the Bible does NOT say marijuana is okay (at least for recreational use, which IS really what all of you are TRULY advocating, right?)
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
The question in any free state should never be why should it be legal it should always be why should it be illegal? Why should we sacrifice this freedom for "security" what are we being secured from? If you sacrifice freedom for security, you lose both -Ron Paul.
Afireman4u 3 weeks ago 2
@cindybin2001 ok i really want to know why do you think it should be illegal to smoke weed a real reason that effects people other than the person that is taking it because if there is no other reason then it shouldnt be illegal
TheNicko89 3 weeks ago
@TheNicko89 - well, considering that SMOKING marijuana puts marijuana smoke into the air and it is the marijuana SMOKE that delivers the intoxicating, mind-altering, mood-altering substance, IF the person using it was anywhere NEAR someone else who was not a user and did not want to be a user, the chances of involuntary intoxication would be present. No different than how cigarettes can present a harmful effect upon non-smokers in the presence of a smoker.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
And I have been to a concert, where while sitting with a family of one of the band's members, someone NEAR to us was smoking marijuana. It's not something I appreciated having done. So perhaps it should be illegal because of the inconsiderate behavior of users who use in the presence of those who don't.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Not necessarily true, the smoke is the by product of of the burning, the smoke alone is enough to cause mild discomfort pending the sensitivity of the persons in the surrounding area but not truly enough to high someone who wasn't intentionally inhaling it in. But the last line in your comment it true, a secondhand effect is present
trapparkid 4 days ago
the only arguments i hear against weed make no sense how mm there arguments arent even ter own thoughts its the thought of whoever made illegal in the first place and people have just been fed false facts about weed for years and are too stupid to realise this just please people think about it and stop thinkin negativly
TheNicko89 3 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 Who the fuck are you to say whats right and whats wrong
TheNicko89 3 weeks ago
@TheNicko89 - who the "F" are you to say what's right and what's wrong? That kind of argument defeats itself almost immediately.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 can you answer me one thing have you ever smoked weed or are you close to someone who has?
TheNicko89 3 weeks ago
@TheNicko89 Of course I haven't smoked pot! It's illegal! Where would I get it?? And of course now you will say, "Well if you haven't ever smoked pot, then you have no right to comment!" I've heard it all before, a million times from you pot smokers. You don't have to have smoked pot to know that you get "buzzed" from it, just like casual booze drinkers do from their "fine wine" or "beer with the guys", etc. It just isn't right and you know it. People really need to grow up and set an example.
cindybin2001 3 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 You are what educated people call an ignorant you cant say that marijuana is bad if you have never smoked your judging with blindness you only think marijuana is bad because you have been trained to unless you take the time to ask yourself how could you criminialize somthing that is natural and does no harm if anything it sharpens your brain and allows you to open your mind and think in a deeper way the only way your opinion will even mean anything is if you give it a chance.try it
MeltingUniverse 3 weeks ago
@MeltingUniverse Oh for heaven's sake. I never said "marijuana is bad". It's a psychoactive drug. People use it to get "buzzed" or "high" and that is not a good thing to do! don't you get it? Didn't your parents teach you any better morals or values or common sense? Grow up! We shouldn't use drugs to relax and unwind, enjoy life, etc. And taht includes alcohol, which is also a drug. And pot is ILLEGAL!!! If you get busted, you will suffer the consequences!
cindybin2001 3 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 - Please know that I am applauding you :-D
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Thanks! It's so nice to hear!
cindybin2001 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD Not only have you accused me of something I've not done, which IS a crime, go check the fucking LAW, but you'e making up lies about 'facts' on a subject you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
You're a liar and an idiot. Go pedal your BS somewhere else. Perhaps to someone who'll believe your BS... try a bible-camp.
Itsmeeman1 2 weeks ago
@Itsmeeman1 - Wait a second. Did I actually ACCUSE you? I said, "it seems to me". That's not an actual accusation. It could be simply that you're stupid. . However, if you HAVEN'T done it, why are you so in favor OF IT? So I am inclined to believe that if you favor legalization, you favor it for a reason....a PERSONAL reason. And, since you are for it, why would you get upset if someone thinks that you are smoking it? Do you also get into losing fights with yourself? Probably so.
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD you're obviously nothing more than an idiot troll that hasn't got the personality to get friends.
I don't want to be your friend. Nor am I interested in your sad little theorems.
If you can't get a life, then at least give yourself a chance and try to.
Itsmeeman1 2 weeks ago
@Itsmeeman1 Wow...is that the best you can do? Who said I wanted to be friends with a suspected drug user?
JWC3RD 2 weeks ago
@JWC3RD dumb ass. Legalization is supported by half the country. Not just stoners. It takes a true moron to not see that prohibition does more damage then pot itself. It causes drug cartels, lives ruined, us using out dated fuels and plants to make products that damage the environment, people being uneducated, sick people not getting help, and by categorizing it and causing it to be sold in the same places as hard drugs, you people cause it to be a gateway drug.
GorillaTerrorist56 2 weeks ago