245mpg Electric Car

[MrSokitumi0007]

I will be running my whole house off 20 altinators that never stop spinning cause magnets turn them all with 1 lever so F all you dummies that say theres no such thing as free electric. ALMOST DONE AND ILL video my checks in the mail cause im not goin to use it all muahahahaha IM ah get paid BIOTCHES )o,,,

[1953dan]

@Odziz You lost me on the "the wheel to well dicussions " but you missed my point and that is you can't compare apples and oranges. How many mpg does a person on a bicycle get? Fuel consumed and energy produced by a human is more effcient than gas or electric. Point is different fuels used for different purposes can't be used in a parellel comparison. Besides battery technology has to advance a long way before it is a viable means of energy.

[1953dan]

Heres a question or two. How many mpg does the power station get to produce the electricity to charge it. How many mpg does the freight train get to deliver the coal or what not to the power station? Plus you have the support structures like the plants that make the batteries , how many mpg's do they get? Can't make them in the dark you know.

[Odziz]

@1953dan

yes we have had the wheel to well dicussions here before.

The milage was worked out as the cost of electricity to charge compared to the equivalent amount of gasoline you would get for the same price.

[frivera7049]

mpg? gallons of what?

[WyattsFreakinChannel]

I'm all for electric vehicles, but this wouldn't be useful to me. I don't want to say, 'the gov't' because it's so overused, but we need to talk to whoever controls the regulations on electric cars and get them to raise the speeding limit to 75+

[posthumanfetus]

Ok I'm sold. Where do I buy one?

[USAon3]

245 miles per gallon of what? Last I checked, electricity doesn't come in a liquid form. So what does this run on? If anything other than electricity, it's not an "electric" car at all - it's a hybrid.

Nice try, but fail.

[adsabine1]

Go back to the drawing board and stop making electric cars look like golf carts, Give it a safety rating so it will be allowed to go over those pathetic speeds, the Tesla's speed isn't limited because it meets safety standards. Why did this company waste all this energy making such an underachiever? It can be done and be just as economical.

[3089280288]

@adsabine1 Used cars are the best route for that because you don't need to deal with the DOT.

[adsabine1]

@3089280288 That is the way I would go too, safety and range is a huge factor for me so I would never go with an all electric. I am a huge fan of electric motors with loads of torque.

[surreal5335]

@adsabine1

Ya toyota did the same thing, introduce its first EV since the Rav4 in the 90s and make a car similar to the smart car.... Americans are not going to buy that at all. Make an EV version of the corolla or Camry, that will sell great!

[jerrysjunk]

why is there a speed limit on the electric  cars to be sold what is the deal

[adsabine1]

@jerrysjunk There is no speed limit on electric cars,(Tesla) There is a speed limit in any electric car that has not passed safety standards, they would never let a gas motor get away with that, this electric vehicle is way under powered, it probably can't go any faster, and the safety ratings are not up to standards, they should not let this on our streets.And I am a fan of electric power, that is if it has a back up generator, hybrid.

[Texmurphy51]

@adsabine1 There is no speed limit on any car, its just how much HP you have & wind drage. Unfortunately Hybrid cars are not efficient as a good diesel because you have to haul around a battery.

[adsabine1]

@Texmurphy51 Have you ever heard of the Zen car? It s speed was limited because it didn't pass safety tests, that is what I heard, maybe I am wrong, although the Zen car is just a golf cart. I have hope for electric.

[Texmurphy51]

@adsabine1 Speed means nothing where I live. The highway has a red light every 1/8 mile so top speed is 45mph. Electric can only work if they get a better storage device than a battery or use fuel cells. Efficiency of a battery operated electric is no better than an internal combustion engine for same weight car if you take power plant & line losses into account. Both use Fossil Fuels.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51

well actually there is a speed limit, atleast on motorcycles. I think its in the neighborhood of 215mph or so. This would apply to street legal only though. It was bring an end to companies competing to build the fastest bike.

Diesel may get good mpg already, but many hybrids have already been built and in mass production getting much better milleage than a standard diesel. Think about if they made a diesel hybrid!? I understand VW did.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 i dont get the speed limit reference. Hybrids are a good idea, I think that fords Hydraulic Hybrid is better since it stores more energy with less weight. Battery cars are not good because batteres cant store enought energy & batteries weigh a ton. Diesel does well because it has more BTU/Gal than Gasoline. New car I have seen uses a diesel turbine to generate electric, stored in a small battery, runs on electric motors.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51

well while you say that batteries cant make the cut, but with a good design and an eye on the weight it can be done.

Tesla Roadster: range 245 to 300 miles, top speed - 125 mph, 0-6 - 3.7 sec.

I do agree though, a gas generator onboard would allow the car to drop quite a bit of battery weight w/out loosing range. Infact, then it would come back to how far can you travel on a tank of gas. You would probably be getting 150mpg to 250mpg.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 The point is WHY use an electric car? It is supposed to be because it does not have emissions. Thats not true because it has to be charged by a power plant, coal in my area. If you take power plant efficiency, line loss, charging loss into account you end up with about 20-25% for an electric car. Thats the same as gas engine. Now in addition if you were to drop the weight of a gasoline power car to that of say the Tesla, the gas mileage would skyrocket..

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51Crude oil, is a huge pollution factor. Oil spills still occur and one oil rig is gushing oil into the gulf about 1,600 - 13,600 tonnes/day. This has been going on 44 days now. oil tankers also are a horrible polluter into the air and notable health risks just living on it. This is just to transport the oil. Oil still needs to be: processed, sent to gas stations/stores, finally consumed by consumers. Plus there are many clean alternatives to coal to produce electricity.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51

For gas mileage, the most fuel efficient cars I know of are motorcycles, lotus elise, and honda crx. 45-60mpg. All of them can only hold 2 people. To achieve a higher gas mileage and be used in larger cars, electric motors must get involved. Electric cars can even re-fuel while driving and dont use fuel while stopped. Can gas engines say that? No, they cant.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335Part 1 You are buying into the clean alternatives idea. The only alternative to Oil & coal is natural gas & Nuclear. I can give you the facts n figures on wind & solar. There is no possible way that they can even come close to replacing just the electric grid, let alone the entire US oil usage. You dont understand. continue...

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 France has made it possible to recycle 96% of its nuclear waste into usable nuclear fuel, many countries in Europe now use this method. Nuclear also produces no smog while generating power as well. Plus nuclear fusion which will produce no waste at all, is becoming a reality especially with the $8 billion being invested in it to help develop it. Solar and wind wont replace, just help out. Solar panels on sattelites claim to have 110% efficiency

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 I mean a Totally battery operated car will not work. The Hybrid is using a small battery or ultracap to store some energy & Fords Hydraulic storage is actually lighter. The turbine could power a hydraulic or gear system as Chrysler did in the 60s but electric is good too. Yes Nuclear is OK with the new system but the better system uses Thorium, a much safer reaction. It lost to U235 because it produces bomb material where Thorium does not. See it on Google Tech Talks.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51

Totally battery operated cars will not work? You talk as if they are just a theory. what about the nissan leaf, rav4 EV from the late 90s, all the conversion kits, Tesla roadster (which out performs most any car on the road), and electric drag racers? Do they not exist? There is still the other prototype car that resembles a indie 500... Its even faster than the Tesla! If batteries are too heavy, why are some of the fastest cars full electric?

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 1 Your being too literal. I mean total battery cars are not practical. They will use More energy & create more emissions than a comperable combustion engine vehicle. They are great for a burst of energy but not practical for long range everyday use. Take the chevy volt. 40mile range when the battery comes into being. Try this where I live up n down hills, pushing snow, -10F with the heater running. There is also a problem with charge loss & continued.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51

Energy and emissions from gas

1. secure oil (wars occur)

2. transport oil (smog from tankers)

3. process oil into fuel (water and air polluter)

4. transport fuel to the gas station (smog from truck)

5. burn the fuel in your car (more smog) the current oil spill in the gulf has destroyed coasts, communities, economies and habbitats. 37,000 workers and 1,900 boats are used to clean it up. More pollution and cost a ton of money to the taxpayers. I'm just scratching the surface.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 the number of charge cycles. Lithium has 300-500 charge cycles. You know trying to recycle/rebuild these batteries is going to be an Eco nightmare. It does not make sense to haul around a heavy battery when there is not Envior advantage. Power sources have to change first.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51

Energy and emissions from electricity

1. mine coal, gather nuclear fuel, install solar and wind farms (smog and waste from two of them, but many choices unlike gas)

2. transfer power to your house (no emissions)

3. charge car and drive (no emissions)

While batteries and making electricity can be bad on the envoronment, it is still much less than gas creates. recycling batteries is contained, oil spills killing everything it touches is not. Now thats an eco-nightmare.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 1 Energy & emission from electricity

1. All LOSSES incured when charging a battery require more Fuel, that creates emissions.

2. Power generation for a typical power plant Max Efficiency is 40% Thats 60% loss.

3. Line Loss tranporting the energy to your house is 10%- 15%

4. Charging losses for the Battery 10% or more depending on the age of the battery. (did you ever feel how warm batteries are when charged, thats energy loss)

Continued. ...

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 Part 1 Energy & emission from electricity

1. charging the battery is clean, how the power is made is different. (it doesnt have to be coal or oil)

2. There are many ways to create power some more efficient than others

3. transfer power is clean, gas is not clean and there is loss there as well.

4. Have you ever noticed the fumes from a car, thats unburned gas wasted.

There is power loss in both forms, only one of them doesnt pollute while loosing the power.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 2 If you add up the energy losses from power plant to charged battery it is close to a regular piston motor, 20% or so. You will Still have all the negative effects of oil & coal since it generates electricity. If you increase the efficiency of the car then you win. Batteries do NOT increase efficiency. Fuel cells - yes, Turbine engine- yes, Batteries - NO

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 Batteries are the only flaw to electric cars I agree, but improvements have been made to this technology and there will be more to come.

To understand you properly: If we move away from the power source you support (oil) then electric cars will be much cleaner. You keep saying energy loss and pollution created by oil and coal power plants, but EVs dont need oil or coal to run. Gas needs oil at every step to run it. There is no way around that.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 I dont support oil, I am simply saying there is no viable alternative except Nuclear right now. EVs do need oil & coal to be charged. If you think that solar or windmills can even come close to replacing the power grid then you have never done the calculations. How many 1.5 MW GE windmills would it take to replace the power grid?(Assuming no power storage since thats another matter). Venture to guess?

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 Seeing as Nuclear has great potential for being very clean, and oil has none... EVs dont need oil or coal, thats just the common technology for electricity... its old, polluting and needs to be replaced.

A large wind farm outside of the bay area in CA is powering a few cities currently. Its very large, but no toxic waste or smog is created from it. So EVs in the bay area probably are getting their power from the wind.

Plus AC is better for hills and constant power than DC.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 1 Well you apparently have not really looked into Wind Farms. To replace just the existing electric grid, with no electric cars, would require a minimum of 3.3 MILLION 1.5MW GE wind turbines. This is with NO standby capacity wich is filled in by DIRTY fast start turbines as used in Europe. This is based on the best wind sites in the world. In the life of a wind turbine it takes almost 2 years of running just to pay the energy back to Mfg, transport & install it. Cont..

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 For places that need lots of reliable power in a small space, but still doesnt add smog to the air, nuclear powered on thorium is the better option. Waste is contained, and very efficiently recycled into new fuel. Plus dead and heavily used batteries are now able to be replenished, giving them new life w/out even opening them up. With a few tools you can do it in your garage. The guy that patented the process claims the batteries work better than when they were first purchased.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 2 No plans are made to deconstruct them after their 20 year life. If we bring electric cars online the figures will go up, drastically. So you tell me how long will it take to construct the 3.5Million + turbines? Where do you put them. I have a Wind Farm 20 miles away in Somerset Pa & its a nightmare for those living close to it. Noise & strobing light from the blades.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 I never said wind would replace, just help. A wind farm in TX powers produces 780MW. Solar farms produce 20-60MW. These technologies are good wide open areas with wind and sun... deserts and oceans. Nobody wants to live there. Coal plants create lung cancer, heart attacks, asthma, etc. Have you been on a freeway? The noise from gas powered vehicles is very loud. Sure you have tire noise as well, but the engine makes up for a lot of the noise.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 You dont get it. The power plants will still be there with electric cars. Wind will never even come close to making a dent in our energy needs. Without a REAL alternative Electric will not shut down any of those coal plants. Batteres because of their weight are only good storage stationary not mobile. Envior polution are high with lead acid, nicad & lithium. These metals on a mass scale will get out into the enviornment. Ultra light, Ultra capacitor might be good for Hybrid Cars.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 While nuclear can easily produce up to 2800MW for one plant. Coal plants in the US produce about as much as the larger wind farms 400-1000MW. Nuclear is much safer than coal, predictable fuel costs, found in the US, and the waste can be recycled. Coal cant recycle the smog. Plus w/out gas, oil refineries wont be needed nearly as much which would drop industrial energy consumption a lot. Refineries consume almost half of the energy used by the industrial sector.

[fticobraman]

@surreal5335 2800MW nuclear power plants dont exsist! The largest one designed is the EPR and is only 1600MW. Get your facts straight.

[surreal5335]

@fticobraman Ok I took another look and found a nuclear power plant in France called the Cattenom that produces 5,448MW. Thanks a lot for the inquiry, I'll keep this info in mind for the next person.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 with batteries, its like nuclear waste. As its use grows, regulations will be placed requiring stringent handling procedures to make it more eco-friendly. The toxic materials can be contained. Smog emitted from oil refineries, gas engines, coal plants, and oil tankers cant be. The only way to completely contain it is shut it down. Oil spills also are very hard to contain as well. And devastating on the environment.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 1 You dont understand, you cant rate wind farms by Mega Watts. Thats Peak instant Power. You have to rate at MWH. A 1.5MW turbine can only produce about 30% of that on average. Power plants produce 100% continuously. You have to look at the farms MWH output for a year to understand. Where did you get the idea that refineries consume half the power used? They heat & do fractional distillation & seperate products. You mean they burn a barrel of oil for each refined? continued..

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 Its not half the power used total, its half of the industrial power used.

industrial power 33% of total produced

oil refineries 43% of industrial

gas produced at oil refinery 45% of all products made

33% / 2 for oil refinery /2 for gas produced... (rough formula)

8.25% of all electricity produced is used just to make gas at the oil refinery alone. Thats a rough number that could be worse.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Ok so 8.25% of electricity is used to produce gas at the oil refinery. 10% to 12% is lost in the lines providing it. The industrial energy used is twice that of residential. I am going to try & send u a graph of US energy usage. Do you know it takes more energy to create a gallon of methanol than the energy provided by the methanol? Thats another great enviormental idea to replace Oil. Methanol is a net LOSS.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 I am not a big fan of propane and natural gas, I understand its cleaner, but I feel like it would not provide as much performance or range. Plus installing propane tanks at all gas stations would be expensive and probably not pan out well. I am a huge fan of hydrogen, same performance as gas engines but 100% clean (or atleast it could be when considering power plants). Problem still remains about getting fuel to the masses. Thats why I support EV, electricity is everywhere.

[lamgbgbg]

@surreal5335 Installing propane tanks at ALL gas stations is done before decades in the Balkan countries, because propane is much cheaper.

[surreal5335]

@lamgbgbg I am not saying it cant be done, It should work just fine... But getting a system like that put in place in all gas stations so it will become the new major fuel for most of the cars on the road will take a lot of money, time, regulation, and cooperation. The reason why EVs work better is bc everyone can recharge their car at home right now. This makes switching to EV a much easier transition

[surreal5335]

@lamgbgbg Not saying it cant be done, just that its expensive on the gas station owner and unless required by law, the gas station owners will not install them until a lot of cars run on it... Car buyers will not buy propane powered cars until most gas stations offer it. Starting to see a problem here? Electric is everywhere.

[fticobraman]

Have you ever figured out how much energy it takes to make that Hydrogen in a usable form? It takes much more energy than an ICE for the same distance traveled. Hydrogen is NOT the solution by far!

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 2 Gov Regulations... Lets see we banned Nuclear plants because Gov Regulations allowed 3mile island. Auto tires are dumped everywhere dispite Gov Regulations. AGAIN, there is no alternative to Oil & Coal other than Nuclear. Batteries have no play in it. There is no efficiency advantage to batteries, there is only downside to using them. No matter what regulations it will get into the envio just as MFG Solar Panels dumps NF3 & silicon tetrachloride.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 Laws will always be broken, but w/out them the abuse would be much worse. Yes there is no alternative to oil and coal other than Nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro damns. All of which are much cleaner on the environment.

Advantages of batteries:

recharge while driving

allows clean silent electric motors (I remember you saying noise is a priority)

can be placed on car almost anywhere

AGAIN both are equally inefficient. One is just much cleaner than the other.

[fticobraman]

@surreal5335 What do you think it takes to build those solar panels? 

[surreal5335]

@fticobraman I do realize that solar panels take materials, but solar panels can be reused.... gas can not. Burn it once, emit pollution, gas is gone, go make more. Gas is a never ending cycle of producing, transporting, and burning. Burning and polluting all the while. Solar panels, are a make once, install and use its energy. Once installed, pollution practically stops, but energy keeps coming.

[Texmurphy51]

@surreal5335 Part 2 To provide power to an electric car requires just as much energy as gas, the efficiencies are the same after line losses. There is a mini turbine diesel hybrid that gets 100 to 200 mpg. Turbine efficiency is high. Only electric car that is feesable is Fuel Cell. Batteries are TOOO HEAVY to haul around.

[surreal5335]

@Texmurphy51 Ya, using power plants, will loose a lot of power transfering it. Solar on the roofs of houses or on cars will reduce this loss greatly. Notice the turbine requires electric motors to get that mpg. The prius can too with an aftermarket kit now for sale. If batteries are tooo heavy to haul then how is it being done? How is it one of the fastest 0-60 street legal cars is full electric? Did you know there is full electric competitive drag racers?

[surreal5335]

@adsabine1

The power train does not make a cars safety. It is the frame design, seat-belts, air-bags, braking, etc. NOT hp or weight of power train's fuel storage.

Electric power has obviously proven to be sufficient to power a car on its own. The slower recharge time over refueling a regular car remains the last hurdle before EVs can take over gas. EVs can get the same range as gas on single "fill-up". Re-fueling time is its only draw back, but things are being developed for this.

[aaronhelwig]

This car is great, but what most people either don't know or have forgotten about is Troy Reed's Surge Technology. It would probably bring some shame on this car. Both inventor Troy Reed and co-inventor Denis Weaver died in 2006. Paul Laviolet who is a Ph. D. said that this surge technology works perfectly. In fact the gas companies took it from Reed before he could make mass production of his invention. To me common sense says that it worked so good that it would have change America.

[pinkpanthersmokes]

you are so wrong on raising the price of electricity! there are more people making minimum wage than the kind of money you probably make. Your statement is an insult to all people making minimum wage. There should be a cap on what any corporation should make! When that happens then you will see people care about the earth instead of the money! Priorities are messed up now. People are out for themselves. We need to think as a part of something bigger than ourselves.

[mpire82]

How do they determin mpg on these if they are all electric.

[stickysausage]

@mpire82 , E=MC2 my guess, no seriously, if you calculate how much energy is in one gallon of petrol, compared to the electrical requirements of an electric car.

[505197]

At the rate it goes it will take it 1 hour to make it 20 miles. How many hours does it need to be charged to run an hour....three or four? This is a novelty car for codgers in retirement communitys. It can't have air conditioning or it wouldn't make it to the corner grocery before the batterys went dead. But I can fix the poor range, put a hitch on the back and pull a generator with an extension cord runing into the car .

[onyxone144]

3:40 we as a country, it should be we as a planet.

[bergsteinlife]

that woman is good wack off material

[KFCHambone]

thank you dhymers. it was pretty exciting to watch.

[dhymers]

That'll serve me right, didn't watch the whole video, I had no idea they where talking about NEV's which are quite frankly pathetic and are basically golf carts, there are much better examples of EV's out there that aren't limited to 25mph and do freeway speeds easily and go about 80-100miles per charge, but the efficiency will be closer to 110-140mpg because they weight a biiiit more than these ;)

[EdgeyForSure]

how can they say it does 245 mpg, it dosnt run from fuel? 245 mpg of what? :Z

[aargh5]

They are scammers

[cutty02]

money....lol except it doesn't even that range...lol they are lame

[dhymers]

the energy equivalent in joules to a gallon of gas vs kilowatt hour, look it up, google is your friend.

[KFCHambone]

theres a documentary that was out a few years ago. it was about how oil companies crushed electric cars when they came out in the 70's and 80's. pretty cool to watch. cant remember the name off the top of my head. they literally took a guys electric car and smashed it.

[dhymers]

kfc hambone, yup, that was the GM EV1, was fairly successful, but all crushed when the lease was up, no option to buy, movie was "who killed the electric car"

in the end it was considered that an ill advised public, GM, CARB and oil companies where all a bit to blame.

[cecilbdml]

That was the opinion of the movie producer, but not everyone is as rich as the celebs who were hawking this stuff, nor do most folks do that little driving (ESPECIALLY not around LA).

There's not going to be any transportation technology that doesn't have some kind of polluting footprint, or that the government wants to use to control the movement of its citizenry (such as limited-range electrics).

[DEKAROHHO]

the thing is, cars are changing but the big players are not stupid anad they will buy up all the little guys so that what they make can be sold at oil prices.

[ez3usx2]

the oil companies have done everything they can to keep us buying oil for at least 80 years including running a smear campaign against a great man like tesla.if you want to die make a fuel saving device and refuse to sell it to the oil companies.

its time to charge the oil companies with treason and we can start with the standard oil company for selling the germans special fuel for their planes during ww2.

[XCritonX]

Good point. Financial necessity drives the buying public. With the hurting US economy there will be very little money left to go green.

[luc59457]

I agree, that is why I think electric is the cheapest alternative

[burb72]

also dont have to worry about environment, we only have about 40 years left of oil, tops. prior to that it will be too expensive anyway, the damage is already done to environment, the electric car will be the primary mode of transportation out of financial necessity. we really have to start looking at the efficiency of our homes, cars will take care of themselves

[tayzat907]

I am not saying this is a bad idea, but just like in the late 90's the government took all the electric vehicles and sent them through the car sherdder. And they also left all the owners of those cars without for one their money, and for two a car. Hate out government. I wouldnt doubt that they did it again.

[burb72]

? i think you are talking about gm? they were leased, not owned and gm crushed them, not usa

[iceshadows911]

True, 245 MPG, but buying new batteries/recharging will even out the price. A small pack of AA batteries cost about 9 dollars, imagine replacing/recharging all of those. Not going to be as cheap as the hybrids we have now.

[laurasIs2c]

Check out the Youtube with the Mike Strizki demo. He can retrofit a car to use hydrogen gas. We can make electricity with photovoltaics , wind, and other maximizing forms of energy storage through capacitors and lighter materials.

Automobiles can use hydrogen and electricity without sacrificing the size, shape and style.

[lobextomy]

all cars will either be electric or hydrogen based in the future, when the world's supply of oil run out (sooner rather than later unfortunately) The power stations will be either solar, wind or nuclear fusion power plants

[micheals1992]

2 people running have the same C02 emissions of 1 fuel burning car. 94% of C02 is natural. in LA the air coming out of the exhaust its actualy cleaner then the air taken in by the car

[ckingsley08]

That makes absolutely no sense and is 100% incorrect.

[micheals1992]

so jeremy clarkson is wrong? because he made a program on tv saying these things

[micheals1992]

and the reason the air is cleaner coming out the exhaust in LA is because of the cat on your exhaust

[ckingsley08]

catalytic converters work in three ways. They converted CO to CO2, NO to N2 and O2, and convert hydrocarbons to CO2 and water. As you can see, CO2 is a less harmful byproduct that your cat spits out. A cat does not reduce CO2 to something else, it creates more of it. Any CO2 that enters the engine will also leave with it, on top of the other CO2 produced. I don't care what jeremy clarkson says, that statement just makes no sense and does not agree with the laws of chemistry.

[mageac]

he didnt say it had les c02, he said it was cleaner

[Afrocanook]

Rating an electric vehicle in "Miles per gallon?" Is that suppose to make sense?

[Vulcan750L]

@Afrocanook

Yes. One gallon of fuel makes enough electricity to propel this car 245 miles, hence 245 miles per gallon. It is an equivalency rating.

Most electricity is made from burning some form of fossil fuel, coal, oil, or natural gas. This car uses an equivalent amount of electricity made from burning 1 gallon of gas, not that any commercial power-plants use gasoline for producing electricity, but this rating is just to give you an idea of the relative fuel economy of an electric car.

[Bill25cycle]

To people who think electric rates will go up if too many people use electric cars, rates will go down. Why? If they're charged up after midnight, NO NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IS REQUIRED, (no new plants need to be built), so, with the typical time of day discount electric utilities offer, overall, people's electric expenditure rate will go down. Its as if you were buying gas for $.50 a gallon. No one's worried about it now since gas currently is almost 'free' ($1.75/gal), but soon will be$5/gal

[micheals1992]

zero emissions? what about the emissions to make the electric? work out how many gallons of fuel it takes to make that much electric and theres your MPG

[shakaama]

95% less than a gas car.

you still come out way ahead.

[rivirobo]

I plan to charge my electric (when I get one) on solar and wind generator at the house mainly. That will not take any gallons of anything to make the electricity!

[shakaama]

buy me one too :) :P please

[dirtrider5001]

the government is hiding the electic car, as soon as i get my money right im making my own 0 mpg cuz it wont use any gas haha!!!!!!!!

[ProbableHypothesis]

I work in the oilfield industry. Don't listen to this stuff, the cars make no good rumbling sound, and it's easier to go to the gas station and fill up. We have plans on talking with government officials on halting the EV's development and increasing oil prices to pad our BIG OIL wallets. You can't beat BIG OIL so join us. Bring your SUV down and fill it up and drive, drive, drive.

Thanks for your support!

[Odziz]

Thank you for being a berk!

[manunggal]

@Odziz He just being sarcastic about oil my friend.

and pointing out, how the big oil companies willing to do to make sure their business flourishes.

[dropbear22]

you are awesome, take my money and kill my planet, thanks.

[blackholemechanics]

why don't you suck your boss' dick? oh i forgot! you are already doing that you hopeless prick.

[wilsonsann]

@ProbableHypothesis wtf!! LOL

[TimpBizkit]

Miles per gallon of what?

[boldswede]

no deneying its a very efficient but i bet if and when these sort of cars are being used the government will up the prices of electric etc. I wouldnt buy one because i like to drive and the whole experience of driving a petrol powered car is fantastic.

[gangabredboi]

yea dats great, wat ab the whole experience of inhaling breathable air, or leaving the environment as a suitable place for your children. how do those experiences weigh against your beloved ineffecient petrol engine, an electric motor is such better performance I advise you to look up white zombie electric race, and in-wheel motor mini coupe

[boldswede]

i dont want kids. I'd rather have a petrol engine than kids.

[jonjetzone]

Yeah, embrace the oil and continue to pollute mother earth, that'snice to hear from you.

[boldswede]

fair enough but the electricity to charge that thing. where do you think that comes from? power stations burning coal so you're still damagin the enviroment using a car like that.

[folklore1614]

That is a weak argument. The vehicle is FAR more efficient than gassers and the power stations that feed them don't pollute nearly as much as all of those internal combustion engines on the road. There are many ways to generate power besides coal. It is a huge step in the right direction.

[faro0485]

manual power generator

Solar power

Wind power.

[HostileHST]

Those flashlights you shake, hehe.

[faro0485]

Yep, they use them in the water, big snake looking ones.

[omgCoreyLynxx]

If I had a car that got 245 MPH I'd be going on fun roadtrips to far away places all the time.

[LiVeLiFe09]

Well there actually new Vehicles running on an electric nitrate battery, that actually manage to go to top speed of 95 mph and their mass covering distance on a single charge range over a 100+miles , not too bad, Its call the Phoenix Sut.. Pretty Kool Might have to get me one of these x)

[1969MustangMACH1]

i think the way of powering our vehicles in the future will be a technology thats unknown today. 25 MPH EV's aren't going to cut it with most people.

[elyohcsrev]

Many electric cars now perform as well as (even outperform) gas cars. This little car is designed for people who only go short distances. Hence the name.

[Keveeee2000]

Emissions from a coal plant can be controlled at one location instead of trying to control 24000 cars that are powered by it. They are making strides in making coal plants cleaner as well,

[monandjay]

its much more efficient too. and there are renewable energy sources becomming more available.

[GANTZ100pts]

Don't forget to add the states that already use mostly hydropower and wind power like Washington State that's even Cleaner then Coal.

[martz36]

Check out the movie Who Killed The Electric Car.

[Odziz]

I think every man and his dog has seen the film.

[Odziz]

I have been telling people we should standardize the battery packs like the AA and AAA type batteries for portable equipment.

Also I advocated battery swap stations, I was told by certain experts that this was unworkable.

Now Project Better Place have done the lot!

Do a search on YouTube and you will see the future.

[FLOODK9]

I think EVs are the way to the future until the fat cats of the oil industry quench their thirst for fast big money at the expense of the general public.

[DENJCA29]

I want this so bad. But it needs to be able to go at least 45 for me to be able to use it around Orange County, Southern California... which is frustrating considering the average speeds on our roads are probably below 25 because of traffic lights. If we had roundabouts everywhere and lower speed limits, these would work and everyone would get everywhere faster... go figure!

[assman115]

go hydrogen because britney is the hyfrog god

[peace0ff]

brittny is shitny

[tribluered]

456 miles max tested EVs. Cost about $30-40K. Go to Lionev website.

[justaguy123456]

I don't get it. For the amount they cost, you should be able to get a fully functional electric car. Well, maybe soon. The NEV is an interesting niche market. It's a chance for people to be creative and build something without having to mess with the ultra-expensive crash testing and so on. My idea is to use the drivetrain from an electric motorcycle. Build a lightweight frame with three or four wheels, add a lightweight body and two seats, and sell it for about $3500 - $4000.

[redhotcustoms]

they had me till they said a top speed of 25 mph. but thats fxable at the cost of lost distances.

[TommeyLeeReed]

We are making cheaper motor controller for the electric car.

12-1000v/10 to 5000 amps of power.

[rsherfan]

outrageously over the top re the environment and the economic collapse propaganda, but electric vehicles will probably get a decent niche once the various technologies mature.

[Odziz]

Most cars were electric at the beginning of the 20th Century until the infernal combustion engine got a starter motor. Electric cars are really the only way to go especially as you can get the energy for free from solar.

[redhotcustoms]

to add to what you are saying, from 1890-1920, majority of cars were electric cause they were cleaner, easier to "fill" and quiet, then they died out in the 1920s when the gasoline car got a electric start and all.

[JohnDeBunkTest]

It is one thing for the oil companies go be making some people rich.

It is quite another thing for them to be killing the planet while staying rich.

[Odziz]

The we should stop driving planet killers and drive electric.