Cueing A Horse For Reining Turns And Spins, part 1

[Weaponsmaster8595]

Hey, I have a mare who really drags in her spins. She spins very correctly and I want to move up in speed. She braces against my reins and I feel like I am dragging her, but when I relax my hands she loses her position and tries to walk off. Any thoughts...? Do you think maybe I should be starting her off with contact and then loosen the contact and only use my legs? Mostly she only walks off during the first few steps.

[MsIllusion13]

i wish my horse was this calm shes 17 and arab shes about 14 5hh and suggestions?

[shakeitshakeitbaby]

This is great as an intro, very nicely presented and informative. Thanks so much!

[joyykisses]

my horse is hard to handle shes 13h and a nice size for me but is still hard to handle eg, when asked to move forward she move back 60% of the time or if we are moving at any gait faster than a walk she gets bored after a few seconds and bucks or rears any advice on trying to correct her bahviour

[ltrocha]

@joyykisses Hi Joy, you just described a horse that baulks and has no respect for it's rider.

Get your horse to respect you and all this bad behavior will disappear.

You aren't going to get it done by petting her. Your going to need to get tough and let her know you are the one in charge.

You may need the services of a professional trainer for a month or two until the mare gets over this.

Larry T.

[joyykisses]

@ltrocha thanks alot my uncle is a professional horse trainer and breeder so ill c if i can take her to him thanks alot

[mitchell7137]

Mr. Trocha, how do your cues differ when asking for the rollback from a standstill? How do you differentiate to the horse when you're asking for a turnaround or 180 degree rollback with lots of impulsion?

[andresegrisoni]

Hi, Mr. Larry, I have a mare that is very restless, and she is not well reined, could you tell me on what to work her first. Neck rein, putting her head down, and after that spin or slide stop?

[Wildxxhorses]

My horse came from joel lesh, but he isn't finished, but knows the basics. When i try and spin him, he does a half spin and walks out of it before doing the full 360, any advice?

[JTsHorses]

Hello, Larry Just wanted to thank you for the great training tips.I have a 6 year old mare that Im teaching the spin move to.At first she wanted to rabbit hop,but she has gotten better thanks to your advice in your video, that said this is caused from my timing being off.Im hopeing to post a video soon. Thanks JT

[melanieferrio]

Hi,

I have horse and I will start training for spins and turns...... but he is not as supple as this horse he is good turning but when I put contact on his mouth he just pulls instead of reacting instantly..... He will flex but when we start the contact part he just holds, how do I fix this?

[cjgrayson2009]

How do i find the vid of using the curb bit?

[Becster3111]

exactley what i was looking for, thank you, we have team roping horses, but i was looking for how to teach them this :] you seem like you know what your talking about, therse alot of styles that i dont agree with when it comes to training horses, but you seem very legit. i will definatley give this a try. thank you for posting. i also subsribed.

[reno907]

I cant wait to try this out my quarterhorse mare,wish I had acess to your videos a long time ago and my horses would probably be able to flat spin by now, easy to understand well explained and demonstrated,

[ltrocha]

@reno907 Good luck with your training. Let us know how it goes.

Larry T.

[XxRisingVelocityxX]

my horse wants to just tun her head around to her butt and turn not spin but turn , she WONT spin, any advice??

[ltrocha]

@XxRisingVelocityxX Yes, my advice is to watch the videos on training a horse to spin and put the techniques into practice. So many people do the same old thing over and over again yet expect different results. You gotta change to something that works.

Larry T.

[xxjkrushxx]

Larry, I have watched all of your videos to help with spinning and have even taken notes. My horse responds well to leg pressure, the rein release, and the bumping of the rein and he is neck reining even better then he used to. My problem is he doesn't like to keep his rear end planted, or under him, so we just walk win circles instead of pivoting off his hind end. Could you please try to help me with that? He's a push type horse so he isnt as touch and go like your horses seem to be.

Thanks

[RachandJacks09]

I have a really lazy ex western pleasure horse who doesn't get enough momentum. Any advice?

[ltrocha]

@RachandJacks09  Cluck, press with a spur, pop on the outside hip with a bat.

[cjgrayson2009]

@ltrocha

[bobbyboy941]

eXhorses videos teach you to move your horse off the rein without any legs aids. There is no need to "BUMP" his side with spur. Just using Direct rein, indirect rein. Is there a reason you use force to move off the rein?

[DrifterZoie]

Like LuvTheHorse1,, I am a jumper wanting to learn western, reining etc. I know of one trainer that would work for something beside riding western pleasure, but he is almost an hour away. I have a horse I would like to start, but I am worried that I will use "to much" of my english habits(tighter rein, forward seat) to begin riding him. I tend to get caught up in what I am doing(english habits) and lose the thought process of what I should be doing(sitting deeper etc.). Any suggestions?

[DrifterZoie]

Like LuvTheHorse1,, I am a jumper wanting to learn western, reining etc. I know of one trainer that would work for something beside riding western pleasure, but he is almost an hour away. I have a horse I would like to start, but I am worried that I will use "to much" of my english habits(tighter rein, forward seat) to begin riding him. I tend to get caught up in what I am doing(english habits) and lose the thought process of what I should be doing(sitting deeper etc.). Any suggestions?

[ltrocha]

@DrifterZoie, yes I do have a suggestion... toughen up, get on and start doing it. If you are motivated enough to learn, you will. If not, you won't.

Larry T.

[sandi8491]

larry, i have been working with my horse to give to the bit and move off of rein pressure. she does this pretty well.but she doesn't have enough impulsion. she is a little on the lazy side.also in other areas of her training.any advise would be great!

[KPage30463]

Larry, just like bluehorsepro, I have watched this video over and over again. I watch it before I go and ride the horse I am working with... by the way with your news letters and video tips I have learned what workers for her(the horse) and myself. Being professional trained hunter/jumper it's taking time to re-adjust myself. I love all of your stuff the muscle memory was a shock... I just kept saying to myself 'that's me! that's me!' we are coming along fantastic. thanks for your helpful tips!

[ltrocha]

@KPage30463, good to hear from you.

Yes, my newsletter on mucsle memory does shock a lot of riders when they realize they suffer from the same symptoms.

Sounds like you are really getting a handle on it though.

Good luck to you.

Larry T.

[Terri1130]

Great video! Even my fat little pony will spin using these techniques! :)

[Foggy1318]

Amazing video!! Love all your videos and am currently trying out all of the tips on my horses :)

[ksd1626]

hi larry, i have several of your training videos and all are very good and instructional . I would highly rec the video, teach your horse to roll back and spin to all riders. I rated this clip a 10. keep them coming larry. your the best

[ltrocha]

@ksd1626, thanks. I appreciate that.

Larry T.

[hbalowaa]

Wow, this is a great video! You're an inspiration! :) I have been working with my green horse on bending laterally and vertically, and now it's time for the shoulder. I am currently using a D-ring 3piece snaffle (copper roller in the center) with split leather reins. Would you recommend using this (with a curb strap?) or chance over to an loose o-ring snaffle like you are using in this video? Again, thank you so much - I learn from all of your videos!

[ltrocha]

@hbalowaa, yes I would recommend putting a hobble strap on your snaffle.

As far as changing bits, use the bit you are getting good results with.

Larry T.

[karmaserved]

Thank You for your informational videosand dvd's! your methods really work, for older horses as well as younger, and help improve control for my horses who compete in events other than reining! (even for jumping!) very easy to understand and follow!

[bluehorsepro]

Larry, I have watched your "Teach your Horse to Roll back and spin: at least 10 times. Your pull and release on the reins is like a little secret most trainers don't share. Thanks for sharing. I can get all my horses to step around and spin now!

[ltrocha]

@bluehorsepro glad its working for you.

Larry T.

[shaina1983]

Great video Larry! I do have a question. What advice do you have on getting a horse to supple up? I have a gelding that has a hard mouth and doesn't like to give to the bit. Any tips or pointers you have on getting him to supple up would be great! Thanks again!

[ltrocha]

@shaina1983, use a bit that your horse will respect.

If he's in a snaffle, use a thin, twisted-wire with a german martingale.

If he's in a curb, use a correction bit with a headsetter.

Larry T.

[xlxOrtizxlx]

Thanks once again Larry. Can these maneuvers be done on a green colt with a hackamore bosal or do you recommend using a snaffle? I appreciate your HELP///

Gabriel O.

[ltrocha]

@xlxOrtizxlx, I have a bunch of videos on youtube that answer your question. I suggest you watch them.

Larry T.

[nicciahart]

wonderful video! I have do have a question: If I have a colt that is started on spins and he starts to spin on the wrong foot like say I am going to the right and he is using his left foot as his pivot foot, how could I correct that? Or are judges really that interested in a pivot foot to notice?

[ltrocha]

@nicciahart, I have a bunch of videos on youtube that answer your question. I suggest you watch them.

Larry T.

[reinchick53]

Great job at breaking down the cues. Now to go work on my muscle memory...

[ltrocha]

@reinchick53, muscle memory is so important. Its the thing that holds back so many riders. I'm glad you are on top of it.

Good luck.

Larry T.

[Skakami1]

Hello,

I consider this video very useful for on what to aim in training before you start spins (direct/indirect rein). As foreward motion is essential for the most of maneuvers, how do you solve this by started colts who lack it? Thanks

[ltrocha]

@Skakami1, you asked a very good question. Any horse that lacks training or needs re-training is approched like a green colt. Every horse needs a good foundation no matter what his age and its never too late to establish that foundation.

Larry T.

[AprilTabi]

Good. Question: in the spin are your seatbones equal in pressure or do you weight one seatbone more than the other depending on the direction of the spin/

[ltrocha]

@AprilTabi, usually its equal pressure.

However, with some horses, I put more weight on my "outside" seatbone... if spinning to the right, i might put more weight on my left seatbone.

Larry T.

[allthatrouble]

Once again, exceptional ability to communicate! However, I would like to add that these Youtube sessions are much more valuable after viewing the dvd. Certainly they are extremely helpful and I plug in to every one of then, but the dvd is almost essential to understanding the whole of the maneuver. Thank you for adding even that much more clarity than is already on the dvd!

[keyses]

Funny how the basics for all disciplines are pretty much the same if done properly and not using force. I have had this contact lesson from my classical dressage trainer, in fact exactly the same, could have saved my money and got the info from this video!

[jsedach]

Thanks for the information Larry! I had my filly with a trainer last summer for 2 months and whenever he asked for a turnaround he would not let her take a step forward and held her back. Now she wants to cross over behind the directional foot instead of stepping over and across. Will this help her move her shoulders laterally and step over?

[KCashatt]

Great Larry -love it! Quick question if a horse likes to lean on shoulders - so basically she would rather do a forehand turn than turn and when you use legs she just really gets too excited and spins on the forehand even more. It's an high school horse and I am just trying to give pointers to the kid. I would think we need to get her moving forward and get her use to legs being on her.

[ltrocha]

@KCashatt Think about doing small circles. Some of my other youtube videos explain this.

Larry T.

[LelaAlexander]

As always, Larry Trocha's training tips are extremely helpful. I would rate Larry as one of the top trainers. Not only can he train horses, but people also. Not all trainers can do that. It takes a special person to pass information on the way Larry does.

[cowgirl72107]

i always enjoy your videos and training style it is similar to the ways i have been taught and teach, i think people can really learn a lot from you and my favorite thing is how you emphasize the fact that the release is a reward, so many people forget that or don't mention it and they are stuck fighting with a horse because they never give it that reward and the horse becomes sourer

[anastasiafuller]

Nice Video! Question: When you begin to ask for the turn, does it matter if the foreleg is back or forward when you ask? Thanks!

[ltrocha]

@anastasiafuller, on a trained horse that knows how to spin, no.

A green horse should be walking forward when asked to turn or spin and the rein is used when the outside front leg is back and on the way forward.

My other youtube videos demonstrate this.

Larry T.

[jwoodcrafter]

Larry, thanks for your time and concern. I always look forward to your videos and tips. They are very helpful and reassuring.

[lavonneburrows]

Thank you Mr. Trocha; your explanations are very understandable, and the videos helpful.

[ltrocha]

@lavonneburrows, you are very welcome.

Larry T.

[Elenisils]

Thank you very much for sending this video out to people, I have been trying to figure out on my own how to teach a spin and the way you explained it is one I can understand. Thnak you again and I can't wait to see more.

[ltrocha]

@Elenisils, go to my youtube channel. You'll find a bunch of videos that can help.

Larry T.

[tammywhitley]

Larry, thank you for all the time you spend making videos for training, they are very helpful and very easy to understand. I appreciate you sooo much!! Tammy Whitley

[obscuredmelody]

This is so beneficial to listen to!

I have the energy and light cues, however, we are still working on shoulder control. My horse is willing and responsive, but I have to train myself how to correctly move the shoulders.

[ltrocha]

@obscuredmelody, practice a bunch and I'm sure you'll get it.

Larry T.

[Glezfco]

Lary, it looks so easy that you think it is not going to work, but it works, after watching your video and attending your class my comunication level with my horses increased to a point where they learn way faster than b4 and with out getting angry. Thank you.

[robinraylee1]

Mine turn but oh so slowly. I don't use spurs, will that help?

[ray76641]

thank you Larry

[unihorse7]

Larry,

Thank-you for your continued videos. You are so clear with your teachings. I have my 12 year old son and my 16 year old daughter watch them too. What a great beginning!

[ltrocha]

@unihorse7, I'm so glad these videos help. Tell your kids I said hello.

Larry T.

[gypsygirl867]

Thank you,. very clear. my horse trips going to the left for some reason but is fine going to the right. Do you have any idea what would cause this?

[ltrocha]

@gypsygirl867, it's hard to say for sure but he's probably right handed. Go to the left twice as much as to the right for a month or two and see if he gets better.

Larry T.

[SuperGarbe]

Very clear explanation.  You are the best Larry! along w/Trusty Assistant of course)

[ltrocha]

@SuperGarbe, Bev says hello.

[canchaser091]

I've never ridden with spurs and I can't get a horse to speed up in a spin. I've got all my colts following their nose and picking up their shoulders with a rein, they turn really nice, but slow! I can start them spinning at a walk, but the minute I try to pick up speed they move their hind end or jump out of it. Do I need spurs?

[ltrocha]

@canchaser091 I don't know if spurs will solve your particular problem but few horses ever reach advanced levels of training without them.

Larry T.

[msexcutter]

what a responsive,light horse!

[52horses]

Great vids as always,

[09jetlee]

thank you!

[KellyNMav]

I ordered your videos and your directions on the cues are easy to understand. I have tried some of them on my horse and she is understanding the cues without getting frustrated! Thanks so much and I look forward every day to practice these exercises with my horse!

[ltrocha]

@KellyNMav Kelly, let me know how it goes.

Larry T.

[patriciabarlowirick]

Larry, do you think slobber straps help or hinder a horse to understand rein cues?

[ltrocha]

@patriciabarlowirick, I don't think it matters either way.

Larry T.

[sparkpr1]

Larry, Very nicely done, a novice like me could understand this and I will be able to put it into use this week.

[ltrocha]

@sparkpr1, good luck. I hope it works well for you.

Larry T.

[Carolynalm1]

Excellent! The details - reins, hands, legs - and how the horse should be prepared for this training were most helpful and well explained.

[ltrocha]

@Carolynalm1 Glad you liked it, Carolyn.

Larry T.

[S00520695]

Thank you for your videos. I saw your videos about the german martingale and I tried it out and now my horse flexes with ease. Now, I am using your spinning videos to teach my horse the maneuver. She is picking it up fast. Your videos are always very clear and helpful. Thanks Again!

[ltrocha]

@S00520695, good to hear the german martingale and training DVD is working well for you. Keep us abreast of your progress.

Larry T.

[csyburg]

helpful...very clear. thanks

[svsuzie1]

big thumbs up larry!!!

[ltrocha]

@svsuzie1, thanks a bunch.

Larry T.

[soso5555]

very instructive.. thanks....

[ltrocha]

@soso5555, glad you liked it.

Larry T.

[jillcohndc]

Great to see you in action, Larry...your horse really looks attentive and well-trained. Couple of questions: what's your method for training them to break at the poll? Can I get my horses to be that sensitive without using spurs? I really appreciate your posting this on Utube. Thank you!