why are religious people so obsessed with this concept of the afterlife anyway? why do they only do good because they want to be rewarded for it after they die? seems a little selfish and arrogant to me- why are people scared of dying and even more scared about it if theres nothing after death? it really doesnt bother me- have a good life whilst your here and youll die happy- who cares if its nothing or heaven after...
Wow, ya'll must be hardcore typing. How about Christopher Hitchens died, it usually sucks when someone dies, and let's just hope for the best for people.
Christians, prove god exists....
Atheists, prove god doesn't exist....
And btw, I'm a christian, evolutionist, and fan of Christopher Hitchens (RIP). If you want to hardcore type at anyone, I may be the perfect target.
I hardly think "I reject your claim because you have no evidence" is comparable to "what I say is true because a book says so and that book is true because the same book says it is".
More seriously, I think that all religions can be summarily dismissed. Every religion makes extraordinary claims that cannot be backed up by any evidence.
Suppose you and a group of your non-mathematician friends wander into a college lecture hall and you see the most intense mathematical equation ever. It has symbols you don't recognize and it spans five blackboards. Each of your friends guesses the answer. Do you believe any of them?
I'd accept their submitted answers as "possiblities", but I wouldn' assume them to be facts, nor would I dismiss them as lies or false. And even if evidence was provided, it only defends one of many conjectures, which could later be found to be true or incorrect. I'd trust the word of a mathematician more, and assume that they have greater knowledge, but that still doesn't mean it's "true".
I highly doubt you would waste your time listening to a group of people who are simply guessing at an answer they have no possible way of knowing. They're only guessing because they want the appearance of knowing without actually having to crunch any numbers. The mathematician is the best bet because he doesn't care if he is right or wrong, he just wants to understand the problem.
Anyway, you get my point. (the metaphor is painfully obvious)
I wouldn't. I'd ask a bunch of people all over the world to make educated guesses and attempts to solve the equation. I'd have them submit every "guess" to a journal, but before any of their hypotheses are published they would be distributed to experts who would be asked to check the rigour and correctness of each attempt. Only attempts which were mathematically rigorous and correct would be accepted. These would be called "theories" and we'd use them to figure out the answer.
Yup, that's pretty much what any intelligent person would do. It's funny how much easier common sense can be applied when we view the same logical framework in a non-emotional context.
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You want proof there is a god? This arrogant asshole shriveled up and died lol. Thank god this ASSHOLE is gone. Good riddance to bad garbage, self important limy prick
How do live with yourself? Seriously, if I had those thoughts knocking around in my head I would feel nothing be self-hatred.
Do you have friends? People who love you and whom you love in return? Aren't you ashamed to have to pretend to be a good person just so that they won't despise you? Do you talk like that to the people that you love?
I'd like answers to these questions, though I'm not expecting any.
@bnsaints So superstitious people who believe in a magic, invisible leprechaun in the sky, i.e. a god, never die? Really?? I am not so sure about that. I know of many, many superstitious people who believe in cults like Islam or the Cult o' The Zombie Jew, or just Judaism who have died. I am not sure why you think that mindless faith immunizes one from death. People die everyday, and the majority of them believed in gods, demons, angels, fairies, elves, the Easter Bunny etc.
@TheMJeGOD Actually I was being a wise ass because I think Hitches, was a drunk arrogant piece of shit who got what he deserved. But in answer to your question, I find it rather ironic that those who dismiss the existence of a god, high power, etc... slavishly adhere to the notion that the earth came from nothing and essentially a lima bean and a zebra are all originally descended from a big explosion that led to a big rain storm that led to cooling rock that led to life. Sounds just as asinine!
@bnsaints You're entitled not to like Hitch. It shows your bad taste, but you're entitled to it. But your understanding of science is pathetic. You are an idiot.
@Cry68 I have a Master of Science degree ass clown what do you have? I infuriate you evolutionist cool aid drinkers because I know science and you clowns can't bring yourself to admit that the origin of life theory is as big a bunch of fairy tale bullshit as you claim the bible to be. I do not site god as the alternative to evolution. I'm simply saying evolution is really rather poor science and sycophants like you and Hitchens adhered to it in the same religious fervor you blame Christians for
@bnsaints You don't infuriate me, you inspire either pity or disgust. A Master of Science who thinks evolution (one of the best-supported theories in all of science) is poor? Did you get your degree mail-order from Ken Ham?
@Crun It is only claimed to be the best supported by those who try to push it, it is FULL of holes and stated assumptions, circular reasoning and blind faith. It is rather funny too, as much of the same verbiage and insult levied at those who don't think evolution is a good theory is very reflective of the same language and verbiage used to assault those who said Newton wasn't right, now we accept General Relativity over his THEORY. Evolution is not a fact, Hitchens and his butt buddy Dawkins
@Crunchy68 can claim it all they want too, it is a theory and as we progress a rather flimsy theory. I do not over creationism or god as the counter point to it I am simply saying evolution is rather shit science and preaching about it as written in stone fact makes you look like an uneducated ass hat
@bnsaints No, you've got that title all wrapped up. I now do not believe you are a Master of Science as you claim, or you'd know the difference between a scientific theory and the common usage of the term. Therefore, you are a liar, probably uneducated, and yes as I first stated, and IDIOT.
@Crunchy68 I chocked on that nonsense from ivory tower types for a year. "well a theory really isn't a theory in science" blah blah blah. EVERY evolutionist proponent still admits there is a ton of evidence that DOES not EXIST and information they do not have. You CAN NOT call something a fact when that is the case, too many situations exist right now that show evolution has MAJOR flaws, you're a clown, you throw the same card ever hand. A theory isn't a theory, you don't understand science blah
@bnsaints A whole year you spent "choking down" science? And yet you have a Master's Degree? You've just proven your own idiocy.
Try to redeem yourself. TRY to look up and understand the difference between SCIENTIFIC theories, and CONVERSATIONAL theories. You really look like a dweeb when you complain about not getting that concept.
@Crunchy68 Asshole, maybe in your world it takes 15 years to earn an MS but in a 36 hr course that is one year duh ...two semesters. I was referring to that period. Secondly, I know EXACTLY the difference but you as usual with liberal scum, miss the point. Evolution is full of HOLES. You can't sit here ans say that evolution is a series of dots that connect from 1-100. Because it doesn't It starts at 1 then shoots to 23 the over to 57 then down to 79 then up to 93 etc... and every time
@bnsaints You know, you throw around a lot of cusswords. I called you an idiot, because that's the kind of intelligence you're displaying, but I haven't stooped to cussing. Your lack of self-control only makes me think of the old kid's rhyme "I'm rubber, you're glue..."
@ the gaps are brought up like, where are the transitional fossils? or well you can't have A with out Oxygen but when oxygen is introduced it destroys B or how do you explain the gap in the fossil record etc... You jerk nuts all revert to the SAME play book. "You don't understand science, well you don;t know the meaning of the word theory, well something can come from nothing" Really? That happens no other place in existence? " Oh you'r e a jesus creationist freak, who doesn't know science
@bnsaints Donald Prothero has authored an excellent book concerning the fossil record. It is titled, "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters". That is a good starting point for a comprehensive overview of how fossils inform about evolution.
@Crunchy68 blah blah at some point you ASSHOLES will have to start being honest and admit Evolution looks like swiss cheese. It might be the best guess we have currently, and that get you a few more converts but you arrogant elitists assholes all same the same shit over and over and you have NO PROOF. You're a fucking clown shoes just like Hitchens was
@bnsaints I wouldn't say that the origin of life theory is a fairy tale. It is true that there is much that we don't know about the origin of life, but that is why it is being studied. Science concerns itself with examining natural phenomena, and constructing a theory that is constantly being refined. A century ago, little was known about the atom, quantum theory, and the existence of DNA as the blueprint of life, but research has subsequently taught us much. The same is true of abiogenesis.
@bnsaints Yeah, I guess you are right. Belief in a Zombie Jew who could walk on water and raise the dead is more believable. Not to mention a talking snake!! Who couldn't believe that!? After all, I know a talking rabbit! His name is Bugs Bunny and his animal friends can speak, too! So the holy buybull must be true!
@TheMJtheGOD Historically there is almost NO doubt a person named Jesus existed. So you look like an imbecile calling him a zombie jew and you look like a raging antisemitic douche. It would make sense as Hitchens was a self hating jew as well. Two it shows your arrogance has blinded your ability to read. Jesus was a real historical person. The things attributed to him are another matter
Leave it to the good moral Christian to celebrate someone's death. Not only do you celebrate his death, you celebrate it with the belief that he is now being tortured for eternity.
@luminaeus I never said I was a christian, I was being sarcastic. Hitchens was a piece of shit, I can recall him not only celebrating Jerry Falwells death but basically going on EVERY TV show he could to say so. Rather hypocritical on your part to pretend like I'm doing something wrong when your hero did the same thing right? I guess though with you liberal pieces of dog shit it is a do as I say not as I do game
@bnsaints Hmmm. You appear to have a scatalogical fetish. Have you ever considered a career in proctology? I hear there are interesting things happening in proctology!!
You're bitching about assumptions being made against you, and then you follow up with a chain of assumptions. You're a special one...
Hitchens isn't a personal hero and I thought his celebration of Falwell's death was in poor taste as well. And where oh where did I ever mention political preference?
You're trying to say evolution isn't a fact? Technically this is true, as a theory isn't a fact in itself but an explanation of facts.
@luminaeus I would ask you one question and one question only. Is it POSSIBLE that in the future EVOLUTION could be found to be incorrect and another explanation as to how we got here could be discovered by Science? If you answer NO then evolution would be accepted by all. Problem is even evolutionists will not say that at the same time they are calling people dumb for not accepting evolution. LOL
@bnsaints Hi bnsaints! I don't mean to criticize, but you forgot to write "dog shit" or just "shit". Your posts aren't quite the same without your scatalogical signature! I hope this helps!
That's how science works. If it isn't falsifiable, it isn't a theory. Realistically, evolution is a pretty sound theory and unlikely to be disproven any time soon.
Does opposition to evolution indicate stupidity? Yes, about 99% of the time it does, because those people are basing their opposition on religious/cultural/political biases and not any legitimate review of the theory and its evidences.
@luminaeus actually, stop reading wikipedia. Evolution is not falsifiable nor is it replicatable in any laboratory setting. We have fruit flies which based on their rate of birth etc... Are used by science all the time in testing no evolution in them has ever been observed. In fact no evolution has been observed in any way since Darwin posited his asinine theory. Those a re few of the holes in it and you didn't answer my question, it is very hard to label something a fact and then not be able
@lumins or more likely WILLING to say that it can't change. It is like saying "it is a fact" The sun is X amount of miles away from the earth and if you disagree then your a dumbass" then I say "is there any chance in the future it might be proven to be a different distance away?" and then you dodge and duck the question. If it is a FACT there can be no change in the future, your refusal to say so proves the point that even evolutionists won't admit that because it is a theory and a shitty one
So, the bacteria that digest nylon didn't evolve? They were just hanging around for billions of years with the specialized digesting enzymes ready and waiting for man to invent nylon?
Your claims that evolution hasn't been observed is simply absurd. Are you expecting a dog to give birth to a cat?
@luminaeus IT is still bacteria, it doesn't matter what it EATS it is still Bacteria. Hey I didn't come up with the jackass theory you clowns did. And in it you SAID that is what happens, and like clock work when challenged with the inherent lapses in the logic you say all this double talk bullshit in reply
"Great logic"... like your double straw-man fallacy?
1: Evolution produces generational change; your dog isn't going to change into anything.
2: Nylon eating bacteria are significant because nylon was previously indigestible. Dogs already have the digestive enzymes required to break down shrimp.
You keep calling people clowns, but you're the only one with 'arguments' silly enough to be one.
@luminaeus dude play all the shell games you want, fine generational change, dogs have been around for ever and cross bred and cross bred and interbred with wolves and so on. They're STILL FUCKING DOGS. Bacteria is still FUCKING BACTERIA. You guys can't get out of your own way. Oh wait let me guess what is coming next. I don't know science or I don't understand evolution right? Convenient excuses for your BULLSHIT inability to answer a simple question.
Pointing out the flaws of your argument is not a shell game. I have intellectual standards. Perhaps you should keep that in mind and limit yourself to only posting valid responses.
The nylonase enzymes are solid proof of evolution. Yes, it's still bacteria. A single mutation will not result in a dramatically different life form.
Evolution explains why dog breeding works. Key word: Selection.
I answered your question. Calm down and read your responses thoroughly next time.
@luminaeus you're an imbecile. You evolutionist nuts approach evolution with the same missionary zeal the jesus nuts approach creationism. You're assholes cut from the same cloth. Evolution huh lol it gets more full of wholes the more you clowns talk
You accuse me of fervor and zeal and yet you're the only one foaming at the mouth like an "imbecile." You've been ranting all day about how evolution is "full of wholes [sic]," yet you haven't provided any evidence to support this claim.
I'm sorry that you're upset because nobody takes you seriously. You have to back up your claims, otherwise you just end up looking like an idiot. Your constant personal attacks only work to confirm our suspicion.
@luminae YOU ASSHOLE juvenile delinquents have been given EXAMPLE After EXAMPLE which you are so caviler as to dismiss. You CAN'T prove evolution. END of DISCUSSION. YOU CAN'T PROVE IT. The fossil record for evolution is SHIT. The lack of Transitional fossils is massive. The inability to explain the origin of life and then saying evolution and the origin of life are tow different things is another reason why you're ARROGANT assholes. Almost all evolution theory is nothing bu ASSUMPTION, You lose
Evolution isn't something you can believe or disbelieve, prove or disprove; it just is. The fact of the matter is, we've observed it happening (the E. coli long-term evolution experiment as well as various experiments with fruit flies and mice). Species change over time, and sometimes they even change into different species (according to our definitions of "species" - the biological and phylogenetic species concepts, for example). Whatever you say or believe doesn't matter. You lose.
@YetAnotherBadYT THERE IS NOT ONE fruit fly experiment that proves evolution in fact FRUIT FLIES are used to argue against evolution you fucking imbecile. For EXACTLY that reason, Evolution COULD BE OBSERVED in them if it was REAL because of the how they live and die. I'm glad you said PROVE as you CAN'T prove evolution it is a rather spotty theory to begin with. You clowns pick and choose how you will apply definitions and scientific logic when it comes to evolution. It is quite hypocritical.
@Ye There absolutely are not. The most ANY experiment on fruit flies has done even after 600 generations of testing has been to reduce and increase the bristle count. Each change of lower and more bristles created sterility and the line DIED out. So nothing evolved, secondly they WERE STILL FRUIT FLIES. Millions of years worth of evolution and generations created on fruit flies in the lab and NADA. ZIP, BUBKUS, ZILCH, ZERO. Same with MICE, they were still MICE with BS little mutations. JOKE !
"The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. See, for example, (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, "Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory." Evolution 46: 1214-1220). The "Observed Instances of Speciation" FAQ in the talk.origins archives gives several additional examples."
@YetAnotherBadYT Horse shit, read the critiques of this and other nonsense you cite as evidence. At some point you clowns won't be able to come up with excuses.
Oh no, there are gaps in the fossil record! Except that we would expect to find gaps in the fossil record because not every area on Earth is in a process of active sedimentation.
Lack of transitional fossils? Creationists love this game. When scientists find transitional fossils such as tiktaalik or archaeopteryx the creationists simply ignore it.
Now you want evolution to explain the origin of life? Why don't you ask gravity to explain thermodynamics?
@luminaeus Excuse, Excuse, Excuse, Excuse, Excuse. I am not a creationist. Never claimed god to be the alternative to evolution. Gaps how about the fucking grand canyon as an analogy for your gaps. I would not expect to find an example of every last single thing in the fossil record but my god you fuckers have 200-300 million yr gaps and you go "trust us" or "you don't understand" lol The "transitional fossils you reference are dog shit examples.
@luminaeus" Stephen Gould, professor of geology and peleontology at Harvard, although an evolutionist, has admitted, “The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution.” He continues, “All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious little -
@luminaeus in the way of intermediate forms; transitions between the major groups are characteristically abrupt.” Even pre-Cambrian fossil discoveries in China did not provide the evidence sought by Darwinists
Congratulations, you cited your first source! Gold sticker for you! Wait, what's this? You left out the immediately following part where Stephen says he rejects that argument. I'll have to take your sticker back for being dishonest!
Gould is quote-mined so often he has his own page in the TalkOrigins quote mining FAQ.
Maybe if you use more caps and angry insults I'll be more inclined to accept your quote mining?
@luminaeus I printed the entire quote but I see your point, he is a John Kerry like scientist. He supported it before he voted against it lol. The guy said it and then said "well I reject it." HE FUCKING SAID IT lol. You clowns love to dance don't you. Why would he cite it if it did not have MERIT as a counter claim?
You've never heard of a rhetorical statement? It's a writing technique commonly used in technical and scientific subjects.
Your comment about John Kerry only further shows that you're incapable of fully examining a subject. Kerry had a very specific reason for his decision to vote down the bill. The version he initially voted for was fully funded by a reduction of Bush's tax cuts. The version he voted against had the funding measure removed.
I've yet to make an excuse for anything. I'm just having fun picking apart your argument. I hesitate to even call it an argument because it's fatally flawed from the start.
The Iraq War Resolution was enacted in 2002. Kerry's nay on the 2004 war funding bill has nothing to do with the appropriateness of the war, that was already decided two years ago. His vote was a protest, he "thought to have the wealthiest people in America share the burden of paying for that war."
@luminaeus You probably need to go back through most of his campaign speeches then ass breath. Nice try though. Why not just check what he said to CNN lol bo back to your Occupy Wall Street Tent asshole
I would, but then I would be arrested for going AWOL. Best I could do was donate to their cause. Yes, I admit it, I supported a group of people seeking to utilize their first amendment rights. Does that make me a horrible person?
As for the CNN article, where do you think I pulled the quote from?
I wonder what you would do if I used your dishonest tactics on a politician from your side of the aisle. Bush once said "There ought to be limits to freedom." Just like Hitler.
@luminaeus luminaeus, we do not know each other, and I admire your courage to try and have a real argument with this person, but there is a saying, and it goes 'don't argue with a, people around you might not know the difference'. I'm just sayin'
I know, it's not something I would do in person, but troll-baiting is too much fun online. These people seriously think they're going to disprove evolution and bring everyone back to jesus by arguing on YouTube, lmao.
@MrIrishBilly Where you are wrong about the accepted model of the universe is this then a final collapse will occur bringing everything back in upon itself. From the Wikipedia article Big Crunch "Recent experimental evidence (namely the observation of distant supernova as standard candles, and the well-resolved mapping of the cosmic microwave background) has led to speculation that the expansion of the universe is not being slowed down by gravity but rather accelerating."
@BlackHoleBoeke Your premise of infinite expansion is only valid if the universe is infinite this possibly may not be the case since it came from finite space it may expand to finite space
These are just random idea's i have I'm not worried if their right or wrong so you shouldn't be either. Here's another one, : ) If the universe's expansion is accelerating is this perhaps because of some as of yet unknown gravitational force perhaps all the dark matter is at the leading edge of the universe and could it be causing the acceleration just like the tyre on a spinning bike wheel gives weight and momentum
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When all the Universe collapses in on itself again and all the matter and energy will occupy the same space. Maybe that's the after life where we all get to be together again.
What do you think of this as a semi serious philosophical idea. It could be a way of science
absorbing/hijacking all religions instead of the other way round ? So science can offer a comforting/disturbing after life scenario for its believers?
I'm not sure if you know this but... the universe isn't going to be collapsing back on itself... It's just going to expand on forever into infinity :P
Death of everything will occur billions of years prior, including all stars and even black holes the universe will have expanded to the point that atoms will be stripped apart then a final collapse will occur bringing everything back in upon itself.
Death of everything will occur billions of years prior, including all stars and even black holes the universe will have expanded to the point that atoms will be stripped apart then a final collapse will occur bringing everything back in upon itself.
@MrIrishBilly Well no, because consciousness most likely doesn't exist independent of the brain. The Universe will collapse in on itself, but humans won't be alive at that point to experience it.
You answered your own statement when you said "most likely" as who know's my original comment was meant as only a solution to easing the conscience of believers of faith so science could absorb/hijack these religions instead of the other way round ? So science can offer a comforting/disturbing after life scenario for its believers?
Science isn't a philosophy. It is a process, a methodology for understanding, a bag of tools for building knowledge.
Whether the Universe has, or will collapse is not known. The Big Bang theory only explains the apparent expansion of the universe from a central point. Assigning spiritual significance to poorly understood natural phenomena is what created religion in the first place.
@MrIrishBilly Its not necessary, one of the greatest advantages to being an educated human being is that we dont have to rely on twisted words and speculation to make our point valid.
The idea of a religious afterlife is one entirely motivated by fear and while i understand what you are trying to do here i dont think its right to support an idea that will play on the same fear the catholic church has for so many years.
We haven't really grown beyond fear,fear is performing an animalistic sell preservational function that is hard wired into pretty much all life. So I'm just saying why can't make use of this fear to offer a possible acceptable philosophy that could make science an answer instead of an enemy to the masses of people people griped by religious indoctrination.
@MrIrishBilly I should clarify. i did not mean to imply that we as humans have grown beyond fear, as you said it is an animalistic instinct. But there is a reason that we dont base our day to day actions on animalistic instincts.... nor should we let it govern our beliefs. Rather than using the fear of humanity to our advantage, why not take the high road? appeal to there intellect rather than play on there instinctual fear of death. We have the mental capacity to subdue our animalistic instinct
" why not take the high road? appeal to there intellect rather than play on there instinctual fear of death. We have the mental capacity to subdue our animalistic instinct"
That would imply there is some intellect to appeal to : )
I'm agnostic but I think he has a point Christians/Catholics do use fear of death to turn people over hell over the years back in medieval times the Catholics changed the teachings of the bible to better suit themselves
There are cures for everything. The only problem is corporations with the government keep those from regular citizens. Keeping people sick is more profitable than the opposite.
@Iauth Exactly, and the government also wants population control. So do all the richest wealthy elite. Been a lot of talk about it. They will get what they want. They'll do it through more war, poverty, they will deliberately cause famine and release deadly viruses. They are lying about medication shortages. Like life saving medications for cancer, etc. These Bastards know that unfortunately most people believe in the bible so they want to make revelations a self fulfilling prophecy
@IauthenticI Population control, means tons of money in these rich, greedy, ruthless, bastards, pockets. It's not just the government that wants this to happen, but all of the worlds most rich wealthy elite want it too. They know christians wont put up a fight, especially here in America. Christians will just accept it and say " This was prophesied in the bible in the book of revelations, so this is inevitable and there's nothing we can do about it except wait for jesus to save us."
@Iau I am NOT religious, I'm an Atheist. I was Just ranting about the corrupt government, like you were about them keeping the cures from regular people. I did NOT say, " I'm a christian and you better believe in god, because things in the book of revelations is happening. " If I had said that? Then I could understand your response. But I didn't, and that wasn't the point I was trying to make.I was talking about a corrupt government using the bible for their own corrupt purpose.
@igotaidsinnarnia that kind of thinking is dangerous at our current state of evolution we need to be humble right now until we can handle the realization that we are "gods"
@brownie1982ad The Right Wing supports the church you dullard. I've never seen such a stupid comment that it would have been more valid if you'd just written "cunt".
@CowLunch you fucking idiot. I am not a believer, but the church is made up of right and left wing. There are even Marxist catholics out there.
Hitchens was a poor Bush former Marxist sellout. He supported the invasion of murder of the Iraq war. He was a well spoken person, but he had nothing upstairs.
@brownie1982ad he did support the Iraq war, but he had reasons that are defensible, especially to non-believers. I didn't agree with him on that, but to dismiss him entirely because he saw a need to stop Islamic fundamentalist militarization of the middle east with force is not showing that you have much upstairs, and I doubt that you are stupid, and I know that Hitchens wasn't.
@brownie1982ad Hitchens "had nothing upstairs"! Are you serious? This because you don't agree with his position on the Iraq war?! Sure, criticize this position but do it with a reasoned argument. An ad hominem attack says nothing for the validity of your position, particularly when directed at a clearly brilliant man. Whether you agree with all his opinions or not it only makes you seem foolish to attack his intellect.
@foreskinforest You are totally ignoring my point! I don't care if a preacher supports a left wing government, a true liberal doesn't support right wing establishments. It's a complete contradiction, and shows how hypocritical people like Jesse Jackson are.
@brownie1982ad, do you get many friends with that kind of attitude? Hitchens isn't rotting in his grave and he certainly wasn't a "right wing cunt"; he gave his body for scientific progression and his perspective will continue to influence those who value coherant thought till the end of time. You? haha, how can I help nothing understand that its' nothing, hmm...help anyone?
why are religious people so obsessed with this concept of the afterlife anyway? why do they only do good because they want to be rewarded for it after they die? seems a little selfish and arrogant to me- why are people scared of dying and even more scared about it if theres nothing after death? it really doesnt bother me- have a good life whilst your here and youll die happy- who cares if its nothing or heaven after...
TobeUK 1 day ago
No one drops a 'fuck' like Hitchens.
Daveyboyroy 1 day ago
The Hitchbots come out of the woodwork...
*sits idly by eating popcorn*
LiberalBohemian 1 day ago
The world's Bell Curve slipped backwards a little bit with the passing of this intellectual juggernaut. I shall miss you, and honor you my muse.
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awhitesoul2012 3 days ago
Wow, ya'll must be hardcore typing. How about Christopher Hitchens died, it usually sucks when someone dies, and let's just hope for the best for people.
Christians, prove god exists....
Atheists, prove god doesn't exist....
And btw, I'm a christian, evolutionist, and fan of Christopher Hitchens (RIP). If you want to hardcore type at anyone, I may be the perfect target.
spotalexander 3 days ago
@spotalexander
The burden of proof is on theists to prove their original claim, not on atheists to disprove it.
YetAnotherBadYT 3 days ago
@YetAnotherBadYT
The "burden of proof" rule is as poor of an argument as "it says so in the bible".
Anyone making an assertion, has to provide evidence, or else it's just a personal belief, in which case "evidence" is not necessary.
spotalexander 2 days ago
@spotalexander
I hardly think "I reject your claim because you have no evidence" is comparable to "what I say is true because a book says so and that book is true because the same book says it is".
YetAnotherBadYT 2 days ago
@spotalexander
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More seriously, I think that all religions can be summarily dismissed. Every religion makes extraordinary claims that cannot be backed up by any evidence.
Suppose you and a group of your non-mathematician friends wander into a college lecture hall and you see the most intense mathematical equation ever. It has symbols you don't recognize and it spans five blackboards. Each of your friends guesses the answer. Do you believe any of them?
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus
I'd accept their submitted answers as "possiblities", but I wouldn' assume them to be facts, nor would I dismiss them as lies or false. And even if evidence was provided, it only defends one of many conjectures, which could later be found to be true or incorrect. I'd trust the word of a mathematician more, and assume that they have greater knowledge, but that still doesn't mean it's "true".
spotalexander 2 days ago
@spotalexander
I highly doubt you would waste your time listening to a group of people who are simply guessing at an answer they have no possible way of knowing. They're only guessing because they want the appearance of knowing without actually having to crunch any numbers. The mathematician is the best bet because he doesn't care if he is right or wrong, he just wants to understand the problem.
Anyway, you get my point. (the metaphor is painfully obvious)
luminaeus 2 days ago
@luminaeus
I wouldn't. I'd ask a bunch of people all over the world to make educated guesses and attempts to solve the equation. I'd have them submit every "guess" to a journal, but before any of their hypotheses are published they would be distributed to experts who would be asked to check the rigour and correctness of each attempt. Only attempts which were mathematically rigorous and correct would be accepted. These would be called "theories" and we'd use them to figure out the answer.
YetAnotherBadYT 2 days ago
@YetAnotherBadYT
Yup, that's pretty much what any intelligent person would do. It's funny how much easier common sense can be applied when we view the same logical framework in a non-emotional context.
luminaeus 1 day ago
@luminaeus
Very true; emotions can be really annoying (ba-dum tss).
YetAnotherBadYT 1 day ago
interesting
MrMelonMuffins 3 days ago
Religion is strictly for delusional psychopaths who are also under-achievers.
astrophonix 4 days ago
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You want proof there is a god? This arrogant asshole shriveled up and died lol. Thank god this ASSHOLE is gone. Good riddance to bad garbage, self important limy prick
bnsaints 5 days ago
@bnsaints UUurrrrggggghlll arrrgehehddf yaaaruh? Sorry my Troll's a little rusty, haven't studied since sixth form.
sputnikontheshore 5 days ago
@bnsaints
How do live with yourself? Seriously, if I had those thoughts knocking around in my head I would feel nothing be self-hatred.
Do you have friends? People who love you and whom you love in return? Aren't you ashamed to have to pretend to be a good person just so that they won't despise you? Do you talk like that to the people that you love?
I'd like answers to these questions, though I'm not expecting any.
What a sad, lonely life you must live.
gamegloss 4 days ago
@bnsaints So superstitious people who believe in a magic, invisible leprechaun in the sky, i.e. a god, never die? Really?? I am not so sure about that. I know of many, many superstitious people who believe in cults like Islam or the Cult o' The Zombie Jew, or just Judaism who have died. I am not sure why you think that mindless faith immunizes one from death. People die everyday, and the majority of them believed in gods, demons, angels, fairies, elves, the Easter Bunny etc.
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago 3
@TheMJeGOD Actually I was being a wise ass because I think Hitches, was a drunk arrogant piece of shit who got what he deserved. But in answer to your question, I find it rather ironic that those who dismiss the existence of a god, high power, etc... slavishly adhere to the notion that the earth came from nothing and essentially a lima bean and a zebra are all originally descended from a big explosion that led to a big rain storm that led to cooling rock that led to life. Sounds just as asinine!
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints You're entitled not to like Hitch. It shows your bad taste, but you're entitled to it. But your understanding of science is pathetic. You are an idiot.
Crunchy68 4 days ago
@Cry68 I have a Master of Science degree ass clown what do you have? I infuriate you evolutionist cool aid drinkers because I know science and you clowns can't bring yourself to admit that the origin of life theory is as big a bunch of fairy tale bullshit as you claim the bible to be. I do not site god as the alternative to evolution. I'm simply saying evolution is really rather poor science and sycophants like you and Hitchens adhered to it in the same religious fervor you blame Christians for
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints You don't infuriate me, you inspire either pity or disgust. A Master of Science who thinks evolution (one of the best-supported theories in all of science) is poor? Did you get your degree mail-order from Ken Ham?
Crunchy68 4 days ago
@Crun It is only claimed to be the best supported by those who try to push it, it is FULL of holes and stated assumptions, circular reasoning and blind faith. It is rather funny too, as much of the same verbiage and insult levied at those who don't think evolution is a good theory is very reflective of the same language and verbiage used to assault those who said Newton wasn't right, now we accept General Relativity over his THEORY. Evolution is not a fact, Hitchens and his butt buddy Dawkins
bnsaints 4 days ago
@Crunchy68 can claim it all they want too, it is a theory and as we progress a rather flimsy theory. I do not over creationism or god as the counter point to it I am simply saying evolution is rather shit science and preaching about it as written in stone fact makes you look like an uneducated ass hat
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints No, you've got that title all wrapped up. I now do not believe you are a Master of Science as you claim, or you'd know the difference between a scientific theory and the common usage of the term. Therefore, you are a liar, probably uneducated, and yes as I first stated, and IDIOT.
Crunchy68 4 days ago
@Crunchy68 I chocked on that nonsense from ivory tower types for a year. "well a theory really isn't a theory in science" blah blah blah. EVERY evolutionist proponent still admits there is a ton of evidence that DOES not EXIST and information they do not have. You CAN NOT call something a fact when that is the case, too many situations exist right now that show evolution has MAJOR flaws, you're a clown, you throw the same card ever hand. A theory isn't a theory, you don't understand science blah
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints A whole year you spent "choking down" science? And yet you have a Master's Degree? You've just proven your own idiocy.
Try to redeem yourself. TRY to look up and understand the difference between SCIENTIFIC theories, and CONVERSATIONAL theories. You really look like a dweeb when you complain about not getting that concept.
Crunchy68 4 days ago
@Crunchy68 Asshole, maybe in your world it takes 15 years to earn an MS but in a 36 hr course that is one year duh ...two semesters. I was referring to that period. Secondly, I know EXACTLY the difference but you as usual with liberal scum, miss the point. Evolution is full of HOLES. You can't sit here ans say that evolution is a series of dots that connect from 1-100. Because it doesn't It starts at 1 then shoots to 23 the over to 57 then down to 79 then up to 93 etc... and every time
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints You know, you throw around a lot of cusswords. I called you an idiot, because that's the kind of intelligence you're displaying, but I haven't stooped to cussing. Your lack of self-control only makes me think of the old kid's rhyme "I'm rubber, you're glue..."
I'm so done talking to you. You are not worth it.
Crunchy68 4 days ago
@ the gaps are brought up like, where are the transitional fossils? or well you can't have A with out Oxygen but when oxygen is introduced it destroys B or how do you explain the gap in the fossil record etc... You jerk nuts all revert to the SAME play book. "You don't understand science, well you don;t know the meaning of the word theory, well something can come from nothing" Really? That happens no other place in existence? " Oh you'r e a jesus creationist freak, who doesn't know science
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints Donald Prothero has authored an excellent book concerning the fossil record. It is titled, "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters". That is a good starting point for a comprehensive overview of how fossils inform about evolution.
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
@Crunchy68 you sound like CHILDREN. Evolution is being trashed more everyday with new discoveries and evidence and it pisses you clown shoes off
bnsaints 4 days ago
@Crunchy68 blah blah at some point you ASSHOLES will have to start being honest and admit Evolution looks like swiss cheese. It might be the best guess we have currently, and that get you a few more converts but you arrogant elitists assholes all same the same shit over and over and you have NO PROOF. You're a fucking clown shoes just like Hitchens was
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints Once again, I must say I find myself noticing your penchant for the scatalogical.
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
@bnsaints I wouldn't say that the origin of life theory is a fairy tale. It is true that there is much that we don't know about the origin of life, but that is why it is being studied. Science concerns itself with examining natural phenomena, and constructing a theory that is constantly being refined. A century ago, little was known about the atom, quantum theory, and the existence of DNA as the blueprint of life, but research has subsequently taught us much. The same is true of abiogenesis.
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
@bnsaints Yeah, I guess you are right. Belief in a Zombie Jew who could walk on water and raise the dead is more believable. Not to mention a talking snake!! Who couldn't believe that!? After all, I know a talking rabbit! His name is Bugs Bunny and his animal friends can speak, too! So the holy buybull must be true!
:-)
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
@TheMJtheGOD Historically there is almost NO doubt a person named Jesus existed. So you look like an imbecile calling him a zombie jew and you look like a raging antisemitic douche. It would make sense as Hitchens was a self hating jew as well. Two it shows your arrogance has blinded your ability to read. Jesus was a real historical person. The things attributed to him are another matter
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints I've heard tell that jesus rose from the dead. That is what zombies do. Ask George Romero!
:-)
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
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@bnsaints I've heard tell that jesus rose from the dead. That is what zombies do. Ask George Romero!
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TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
@bnsaints
Leave it to the good moral Christian to celebrate someone's death. Not only do you celebrate his death, you celebrate it with the belief that he is now being tortured for eternity.
You are a horrible person.
luminaeus 4 days ago 12
@luminaeus I never said I was a christian, I was being sarcastic. Hitchens was a piece of shit, I can recall him not only celebrating Jerry Falwells death but basically going on EVERY TV show he could to say so. Rather hypocritical on your part to pretend like I'm doing something wrong when your hero did the same thing right? I guess though with you liberal pieces of dog shit it is a do as I say not as I do game
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints Hmmm. You appear to have a scatalogical fetish. Have you ever considered a career in proctology? I hear there are interesting things happening in proctology!!
TheMJtheGOD 4 days ago
@bnsaints
You're bitching about assumptions being made against you, and then you follow up with a chain of assumptions. You're a special one...
Hitchens isn't a personal hero and I thought his celebration of Falwell's death was in poor taste as well. And where oh where did I ever mention political preference?
You're trying to say evolution isn't a fact? Technically this is true, as a theory isn't a fact in itself but an explanation of facts.
luminaeus 4 days ago
@luminaeus I would ask you one question and one question only. Is it POSSIBLE that in the future EVOLUTION could be found to be incorrect and another explanation as to how we got here could be discovered by Science? If you answer NO then evolution would be accepted by all. Problem is even evolutionists will not say that at the same time they are calling people dumb for not accepting evolution. LOL
bnsaints 4 days ago
@bnsaints there is no fucking way you got a masters degree in science. you are clearly stupid as well as a liar.
sellout87 4 days ago
@sellout87 Truth hurts doesn't it hippie
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints you said it bmsaints MS
sellout87 3 days ago
@sellout87 It hurts to have somebody who has seen all the left wing bullshit call you scumbags to the mat doesn't it hippie
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints are you really 38?
sellout87 3 days ago
@sellout87 yes and you're really an asshole
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints Hi bnsaints! I don't mean to criticize, but you forgot to write "dog shit" or just "shit". Your posts aren't quite the same without your scatalogical signature! I hope this helps!
:-)
TheMJtheGOD 3 days ago
@ read a book hippie
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
That's how science works. If it isn't falsifiable, it isn't a theory. Realistically, evolution is a pretty sound theory and unlikely to be disproven any time soon.
Does opposition to evolution indicate stupidity? Yes, about 99% of the time it does, because those people are basing their opposition on religious/cultural/political biases and not any legitimate review of the theory and its evidences.
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus actually, stop reading wikipedia. Evolution is not falsifiable nor is it replicatable in any laboratory setting. We have fruit flies which based on their rate of birth etc... Are used by science all the time in testing no evolution in them has ever been observed. In fact no evolution has been observed in any way since Darwin posited his asinine theory. Those a re few of the holes in it and you didn't answer my question, it is very hard to label something a fact and then not be able
bnsaints 3 days ago
@lumins or more likely WILLING to say that it can't change. It is like saying "it is a fact" The sun is X amount of miles away from the earth and if you disagree then your a dumbass" then I say "is there any chance in the future it might be proven to be a different distance away?" and then you dodge and duck the question. If it is a FACT there can be no change in the future, your refusal to say so proves the point that even evolutionists won't admit that because it is a theory and a shitty one
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
So, the bacteria that digest nylon didn't evolve? They were just hanging around for billions of years with the specialized digesting enzymes ready and waiting for man to invent nylon?
Your claims that evolution hasn't been observed is simply absurd. Are you expecting a dog to give birth to a cat?
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus IT is still bacteria, it doesn't matter what it EATS it is still Bacteria. Hey I didn't come up with the jackass theory you clowns did. And in it you SAID that is what happens, and like clock work when challenged with the inherent lapses in the logic you say all this double talk bullshit in reply
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
Is it exactly the same as the bacteria that doesn't eat nylon? No.
Does evolution explain the difference? Yes.
I'm sorry that you have a problem with evolution. Maybe your biology teacher ran over your dog, I don't know.
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus Ok so I guess if I get my dog to eat sushi instead of alpo he ceases to be a dog then? Great logic lol You evolution clowns are priceless.
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
"Great logic"... like your double straw-man fallacy?
1: Evolution produces generational change; your dog isn't going to change into anything.
2: Nylon eating bacteria are significant because nylon was previously indigestible. Dogs already have the digestive enzymes required to break down shrimp.
You keep calling people clowns, but you're the only one with 'arguments' silly enough to be one.
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus dude play all the shell games you want, fine generational change, dogs have been around for ever and cross bred and cross bred and interbred with wolves and so on. They're STILL FUCKING DOGS. Bacteria is still FUCKING BACTERIA. You guys can't get out of your own way. Oh wait let me guess what is coming next. I don't know science or I don't understand evolution right? Convenient excuses for your BULLSHIT inability to answer a simple question.
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
Pointing out the flaws of your argument is not a shell game. I have intellectual standards. Perhaps you should keep that in mind and limit yourself to only posting valid responses.
The nylonase enzymes are solid proof of evolution. Yes, it's still bacteria. A single mutation will not result in a dramatically different life form.
Evolution explains why dog breeding works. Key word: Selection.
I answered your question. Calm down and read your responses thoroughly next time.
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus you're an imbecile. You evolutionist nuts approach evolution with the same missionary zeal the jesus nuts approach creationism. You're assholes cut from the same cloth. Evolution huh lol it gets more full of wholes the more you clowns talk
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
You accuse me of fervor and zeal and yet you're the only one foaming at the mouth like an "imbecile." You've been ranting all day about how evolution is "full of wholes [sic]," yet you haven't provided any evidence to support this claim.
I'm sorry that you're upset because nobody takes you seriously. You have to back up your claims, otherwise you just end up looking like an idiot. Your constant personal attacks only work to confirm our suspicion.
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminae YOU ASSHOLE juvenile delinquents have been given EXAMPLE After EXAMPLE which you are so caviler as to dismiss. You CAN'T prove evolution. END of DISCUSSION. YOU CAN'T PROVE IT. The fossil record for evolution is SHIT. The lack of Transitional fossils is massive. The inability to explain the origin of life and then saying evolution and the origin of life are tow different things is another reason why you're ARROGANT assholes. Almost all evolution theory is nothing bu ASSUMPTION, You lose
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
Evolution isn't something you can believe or disbelieve, prove or disprove; it just is. The fact of the matter is, we've observed it happening (the E. coli long-term evolution experiment as well as various experiments with fruit flies and mice). Species change over time, and sometimes they even change into different species (according to our definitions of "species" - the biological and phylogenetic species concepts, for example). Whatever you say or believe doesn't matter. You lose.
YetAnotherBadYT 3 days ago
@YetAnotherBadYT THERE IS NOT ONE fruit fly experiment that proves evolution in fact FRUIT FLIES are used to argue against evolution you fucking imbecile. For EXACTLY that reason, Evolution COULD BE OBSERVED in them if it was REAL because of the how they live and die. I'm glad you said PROVE as you CAN'T prove evolution it is a rather spotty theory to begin with. You clowns pick and choose how you will apply definitions and scientific logic when it comes to evolution. It is quite hypocritical.
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
Yes there are; as well as the E. coli and mouse experiments I mentioned which you conveniently ignored.
YetAnotherBadYT 3 days ago
@Ye There absolutely are not. The most ANY experiment on fruit flies has done even after 600 generations of testing has been to reduce and increase the bristle count. Each change of lower and more bristles created sterility and the line DIED out. So nothing evolved, secondly they WERE STILL FRUIT FLIES. Millions of years worth of evolution and generations created on fruit flies in the lab and NADA. ZIP, BUBKUS, ZILCH, ZERO. Same with MICE, they were still MICE with BS little mutations. JOKE !
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
"The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. See, for example, (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, "Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory." Evolution 46: 1214-1220). The "Observed Instances of Speciation" FAQ in the talk.origins archives gives several additional examples."
You were saying?
YetAnotherBadYT 3 days ago
@YetAnotherBadYT Horse shit, read the critiques of this and other nonsense you cite as evidence. At some point you clowns won't be able to come up with excuses.
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
Oh no, there are gaps in the fossil record! Except that we would expect to find gaps in the fossil record because not every area on Earth is in a process of active sedimentation.
Lack of transitional fossils? Creationists love this game. When scientists find transitional fossils such as tiktaalik or archaeopteryx the creationists simply ignore it.
Now you want evolution to explain the origin of life? Why don't you ask gravity to explain thermodynamics?
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus Excuse, Excuse, Excuse, Excuse, Excuse. I am not a creationist. Never claimed god to be the alternative to evolution. Gaps how about the fucking grand canyon as an analogy for your gaps. I would not expect to find an example of every last single thing in the fossil record but my god you fuckers have 200-300 million yr gaps and you go "trust us" or "you don't understand" lol The "transitional fossils you reference are dog shit examples.
bnsaints 3 days ago
@luminaeus" Stephen Gould, professor of geology and peleontology at Harvard, although an evolutionist, has admitted, “The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution.” He continues, “All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious little -
bnsaints 3 days ago
@luminaeus in the way of intermediate forms; transitions between the major groups are characteristically abrupt.” Even pre-Cambrian fossil discoveries in China did not provide the evidence sought by Darwinists
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
Congratulations, you cited your first source! Gold sticker for you! Wait, what's this? You left out the immediately following part where Stephen says he rejects that argument. I'll have to take your sticker back for being dishonest!
Gould is quote-mined so often he has his own page in the TalkOrigins quote mining FAQ.
Maybe if you use more caps and angry insults I'll be more inclined to accept your quote mining?
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus I printed the entire quote but I see your point, he is a John Kerry like scientist. He supported it before he voted against it lol. The guy said it and then said "well I reject it." HE FUCKING SAID IT lol. You clowns love to dance don't you. Why would he cite it if it did not have MERIT as a counter claim?
bnsaints 3 days ago
@bnsaints
You've never heard of a rhetorical statement? It's a writing technique commonly used in technical and scientific subjects.
Your comment about John Kerry only further shows that you're incapable of fully examining a subject. Kerry had a very specific reason for his decision to vote down the bill. The version he initially voted for was fully funded by a reduction of Bush's tax cuts. The version he voted against had the funding measure removed.
luminaeus 2 days ago
@luminaeus Dude eventually you clowns will run out of excuses. So the war was ok depending on how it was funded huh? You fucking clown.
bnsaints 2 days ago
@bnsaints
I've yet to make an excuse for anything. I'm just having fun picking apart your argument. I hesitate to even call it an argument because it's fatally flawed from the start.
The Iraq War Resolution was enacted in 2002. Kerry's nay on the 2004 war funding bill has nothing to do with the appropriateness of the war, that was already decided two years ago. His vote was a protest, he "thought to have the wealthiest people in America share the burden of paying for that war."
luminaeus 2 days ago
@luminaeus You probably need to go back through most of his campaign speeches then ass breath. Nice try though. Why not just check what he said to CNN lol bo back to your Occupy Wall Street Tent asshole
bnsaints 2 days ago
@bnsaints
I would, but then I would be arrested for going AWOL. Best I could do was donate to their cause. Yes, I admit it, I supported a group of people seeking to utilize their first amendment rights. Does that make me a horrible person?
As for the CNN article, where do you think I pulled the quote from?
I wonder what you would do if I used your dishonest tactics on a politician from your side of the aisle. Bush once said "There ought to be limits to freedom." Just like Hitler.
luminaeus 2 days ago
Yep I believe you're a soldier lol.
bnsaints 2 days ago
@bnsaints
I'm not a Soldier. I'm a Staff Sergeant in the United States Air Force.
luminaeus 2 days ago
@luminaeus Fine I'll believe you're an Airman when I believe Hitchens wasn't an asshole, so never lol
bnsaints 2 days ago
@bnsaints
Fuck you.
luminaeus 2 days ago
@luminaeus luminaeus, we do not know each other, and I admire your courage to try and have a real argument with this person, but there is a saying, and it goes 'don't argue with a, people around you might not know the difference'. I'm just sayin'
skiddyhainz 3 days ago
@skiddyhainz
I know, it's not something I would do in person, but troll-baiting is too much fun online. These people seriously think they're going to disprove evolution and bring everyone back to jesus by arguing on YouTube, lmao.
luminaeus 3 days ago
@luminaeus you found the right place then ;-), have a ball mate!
skiddyhainz 2 days ago
interesting how everything seems more polite when said by a english accent lol
flamedrag18 5 days ago
And it was, a man true to his word!
rad4life1 1 week ago
@MrIrishBilly Where you are wrong about the accepted model of the universe is this then a final collapse will occur bringing everything back in upon itself. From the Wikipedia article Big Crunch "Recent experimental evidence (namely the observation of distant supernova as standard candles, and the well-resolved mapping of the cosmic microwave background) has led to speculation that the expansion of the universe is not being slowed down by gravity but rather accelerating."
BlackHoleBoeke 1 week ago
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MrIrishBilly 1 week ago
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@BlackHoleBoeke Your premise of infinite expansion is only valid if the universe is infinite this possibly may not be the case since it came from finite space it may expand to finite space
MrIrishBilly 1 week ago
@MrIrishBilly Look just read the science you are as bad as a theist. Just go to the big crunch wiki page and read it.
BlackHoleBoeke 1 week ago
@BlackHoleBoeke
These are just random idea's i have I'm not worried if their right or wrong so you shouldn't be either. Here's another one, : ) If the universe's expansion is accelerating is this perhaps because of some as of yet unknown gravitational force perhaps all the dark matter is at the leading edge of the universe and could it be causing the acceleration just like the tyre on a spinning bike wheel gives weight and momentum
: )
MrIrishBilly 1 week ago
Life after death. Prof Pim VanLommel. Prof Ian Stephenson.
HLecterPHD 1 week ago
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Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 1 week ago
Shame that a man of such tallent had to go.
TheIcelandicPatriot 1 week ago in playlist Atheism
So true.
villevn 1 week ago
:) this was one of his greatest moments it's a shame he's gone...
Astrolutra 1 week ago
look at hitchens his last few months
MrSammersELsoho 1 week ago
I am pretty sure this dude never picked up the hammer.
TheKturner05 1 week ago
When Hitchens was on his deathbed, a pastor came and tried to give him a deathbed conversion. The pastor became an atheist.
ZenPhilosopher123 1 week ago 10
@ZenPhilosopher123 You stole that joke from the guy on the other Video on youtube of this clip.
convictPKlol 1 week ago
@convictPK lol people need to hear it.
ZenPhilosopher123 1 week ago
@ZenPhilosopher123 More like you want to get a high rated comment and dont have the imagination to do it yourself.
convictPKlol 1 week ago
Chris, we gotta drop the hammer!
krakatoa0mikel 2 weeks ago
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In what public debate do they allow people to swear ?
Obliviously Hitch was drunk here (b/c when was he ever not drunk )
Only CH could get away with that.
CrusaderDom3 2 weeks ago
When all the Universe collapses in on itself again and all the matter and energy will occupy the same space. Maybe that's the after life where we all get to be together again.
What do you think of this as a semi serious philosophical idea. It could be a way of science
absorbing/hijacking all religions instead of the other way round ? So science can offer a comforting/disturbing after life scenario for its believers?
: )
MrIrishBilly 2 weeks ago 11
@MrIrishBilly
I'm not sure if you know this but... the universe isn't going to be collapsing back on itself... It's just going to expand on forever into infinity :P
Raistlin13Majere 1 week ago
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@Raistlin13Majere
Death of everything will occur billions of years prior, including all stars and even black holes the universe will have expanded to the point that atoms will be stripped apart then a final collapse will occur bringing everything back in upon itself.
MrIrishBilly 1 week ago
@MrIrishBilly You have your science wrong here the expected end of the universe is heat death not a big crunch.
BlackHoleBoeke 1 week ago
@BlackHoleBoeke
Death of everything will occur billions of years prior, including all stars and even black holes the universe will have expanded to the point that atoms will be stripped apart then a final collapse will occur bringing everything back in upon itself.
MrIrishBilly 1 week ago
@MrIrishBilly Well no, because consciousness most likely doesn't exist independent of the brain. The Universe will collapse in on itself, but humans won't be alive at that point to experience it.
patrick112590 1 week ago
@patrick112590
You answered your own statement when you said "most likely" as who know's my original comment was meant as only a solution to easing the conscience of believers of faith so science could absorb/hijack these religions instead of the other way round ? So science can offer a comforting/disturbing after life scenario for its believers?
MrIrishBilly 1 week ago
@MrIrishBilly
Science isn't a philosophy. It is a process, a methodology for understanding, a bag of tools for building knowledge.
Whether the Universe has, or will collapse is not known. The Big Bang theory only explains the apparent expansion of the universe from a central point. Assigning spiritual significance to poorly understood natural phenomena is what created religion in the first place.
luminaeus 4 days ago
@luminaeus
I know isn't stupidity great : ) we don't even have to explain my new philosophy : )
MrIrishBilly 4 days ago
@MrIrishBilly Its not necessary, one of the greatest advantages to being an educated human being is that we dont have to rely on twisted words and speculation to make our point valid.
The idea of a religious afterlife is one entirely motivated by fear and while i understand what you are trying to do here i dont think its right to support an idea that will play on the same fear the catholic church has for so many years.
We have grown beyond that :)
kirkloganx 4 days ago
@kirkloganx
We haven't really grown beyond fear,fear is performing an animalistic sell preservational function that is hard wired into pretty much all life. So I'm just saying why can't make use of this fear to offer a possible acceptable philosophy that could make science an answer instead of an enemy to the masses of people people griped by religious indoctrination.
MrIrishBilly 4 days ago
@MrIrishBilly I should clarify. i did not mean to imply that we as humans have grown beyond fear, as you said it is an animalistic instinct. But there is a reason that we dont base our day to day actions on animalistic instincts.... nor should we let it govern our beliefs. Rather than using the fear of humanity to our advantage, why not take the high road? appeal to there intellect rather than play on there instinctual fear of death. We have the mental capacity to subdue our animalistic instinct
kirkloganx 4 days ago
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@kirkloganx
" why not take the high road? appeal to there intellect rather than play on there instinctual fear of death. We have the mental capacity to subdue our animalistic instinct"
That would imply there is some intellect to appeal to : )
MrIrishBilly 4 days ago
I'm agnostic but I think he has a point Christians/Catholics do use fear of death to turn people over hell over the years back in medieval times the Catholics changed the teachings of the bible to better suit themselves
Suburbanmonsterez 2 weeks ago
Yeah, Hitchens drops the hammer, but Harris lays down the law. I highly suggest everyone watches the entire debate.
Itsnotthisitsnotthat 2 weeks ago
I miss this guy more and more every day.
twigj93 2 weeks ago
Now to find Iceland1944's comment.
SazVlogs 2 weeks ago
Eloquently said!
DanielSchaffiro 2 weeks ago
hitch always knows the most appropriate time to say "Fuck that" .. such a bad ass
vegovega69 2 weeks ago
I remember the day I stumbled on to Christopher, it was like wining the lottery .
gardenfactory 2 weeks ago
hilarious, yet equally as moving and powerful
DUDEABIDES001 2 weeks ago
Humans are Gods. We can create life, destroy life, and soon we will cure the disease which effects us all, aging.
igotaidsinnarnia 2 weeks ago
@igotaidsinnarnia
There are cures for everything. The only problem is corporations with the government keep those from regular citizens. Keeping people sick is more profitable than the opposite.
IauthenticI 2 weeks ago
@Iauth Exactly, and the government also wants population control. So do all the richest wealthy elite. Been a lot of talk about it. They will get what they want. They'll do it through more war, poverty, they will deliberately cause famine and release deadly viruses. They are lying about medication shortages. Like life saving medications for cancer, etc. These Bastards know that unfortunately most people believe in the bible so they want to make revelations a self fulfilling prophecy
IlluminatReptilian 2 weeks ago
@IauthenticI Population control, means tons of money in these rich, greedy, ruthless, bastards, pockets. It's not just the government that wants this to happen, but all of the worlds most rich wealthy elite want it too. They know christians wont put up a fight, especially here in America. Christians will just accept it and say " This was prophesied in the bible in the book of revelations, so this is inevitable and there's nothing we can do about it except wait for jesus to save us."
IlluminatReptilian 2 weeks ago
@IlluminatReptilian
Take no offense, but cut the religious mumbo jumbo next time.
IauthenticI 2 weeks ago
@Iau I am NOT religious, I'm an Atheist. I was Just ranting about the corrupt government, like you were about them keeping the cures from regular people. I did NOT say, " I'm a christian and you better believe in god, because things in the book of revelations is happening. " If I had said that? Then I could understand your response. But I didn't, and that wasn't the point I was trying to make.I was talking about a corrupt government using the bible for their own corrupt purpose.
IlluminatReptilian 2 weeks ago
And I was pointing out all the stupid christians that would just buy into that bullshit because of the bible and their stupid religious beliefs.
IlluminatReptilian 2 weeks ago
@igotaidsinnarnia that kind of thinking is dangerous at our current state of evolution we need to be humble right now until we can handle the realization that we are "gods"
TheRandomguy112 2 weeks ago
Brilliant Human! Simply brilliant!
TheMuskokaman 2 weeks ago
'Something of a breach of taste'
Deary me, that made me laugh harder than it should have done.
DrEthanAsia1 2 weeks ago
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right wing cunt is rotting in his grave
brownie1982ad 2 weeks ago
@brownie1982ad He donated his body to science you fucking idiot.
PlayingGilly 2 weeks ago
@brownie1982ad The Right Wing supports the church you dullard. I've never seen such a stupid comment that it would have been more valid if you'd just written "cunt".
CowLunch 2 weeks ago 21
@CowLunch you fucking idiot. I am not a believer, but the church is made up of right and left wing. There are even Marxist catholics out there.
Hitchens was a poor Bush former Marxist sellout. He supported the invasion of murder of the Iraq war. He was a well spoken person, but he had nothing upstairs.
brownie1982ad 2 weeks ago
@brownie1982ad he did support the Iraq war, but he had reasons that are defensible, especially to non-believers. I didn't agree with him on that, but to dismiss him entirely because he saw a need to stop Islamic fundamentalist militarization of the middle east with force is not showing that you have much upstairs, and I doubt that you are stupid, and I know that Hitchens wasn't.
SconeMason 1 week ago
@brownie1982ad The church is a right-wing, authoritarian hierarchy. It makes no difference whether individual believers have liberal views.
CowLunch 1 week ago
@brownie1982ad Hitchens "had nothing upstairs"! Are you serious? This because you don't agree with his position on the Iraq war?! Sure, criticize this position but do it with a reasoned argument. An ad hominem attack says nothing for the validity of your position, particularly when directed at a clearly brilliant man. Whether you agree with all his opinions or not it only makes you seem foolish to attack his intellect.
MrMonkeyInk 1 week ago
@brownie1982ad I wasn't old enough, but I do support the invasion though agree with Hitchens it should have been done over a decade earlier.
He was more well red than me or you, lol, he had a LOT upstairs.
It's a shame you can't see it. Probably for the same reasons you think leaving Saddam in power was the better option.
Territomauvais 1 week ago
@Territomauvais read* lol. fail. I am high :3
Territomauvais 1 week ago
@CowLunch You are a stupid cunt.
Rev Jeremiah Wright
Billy Graham and Jesse Jackson are Left wing.
foreskinforest 1 week ago in playlist Atheism
@foreskinforest I said the INSTITUTION is right wing, it makes no difference if Jesse Jackson votes liberal, he preaches conservatism.
CowLunch 1 week ago
@CowLunch LOL. Talk about talking shit.
foreskinforest 6 days ago
@foreskinforest The church isn't liberal is it? Come on! Stop being a fool.
CowLunch 6 days ago
@CowLunch Depends which Church. The three people I mentioned are very influential leaders within the USA and some parts of the World
Another example: The Established Church of England's hierarchy is almost completely on the left.
foreskinforest 5 days ago
@foreskinforest You are totally ignoring my point! I don't care if a preacher supports a left wing government, a true liberal doesn't support right wing establishments. It's a complete contradiction, and shows how hypocritical people like Jesse Jackson are.
CowLunch 4 days ago
@brownie1982ad, do you get many friends with that kind of attitude? Hitchens isn't rotting in his grave and he certainly wasn't a "right wing cunt"; he gave his body for scientific progression and his perspective will continue to influence those who value coherant thought till the end of time. You? haha, how can I help nothing understand that its' nothing, hmm...help anyone?
hmcg020 2 weeks ago
@brownie1982ad you really are't very smart are you...
TheSpartanondrugs 2 weeks ago
What a great man! <3
lockwyn 2 weeks ago
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Carl Sagan recanted his beliefs and teachings on his deathbed. He said he didn't even belief in space.
COMEDYonREVIEW 2 weeks ago
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@COMEDYonREVIEW no wonder you got spammed
CrusaderDom3 2 weeks ago