Problemi me i madhe eshte qe Greqia tash fillon te bej propagand, kishe i don shqiptaret ortodoks! Frika eshte qe ata mund te mashtrohen shume leht, andaj shpresoj qe se paku t'ju bije ne mend historia e arvaniteve, se si "vllezerit grek" masakruan dhe asimiluan me mijra shqiptar ortodoks. ARVANITES ARE ASSIMILATED ALBANIANS, but Greeks pretend that they "feel" greek, so they are greek. If they were greek, WHY didn't they forget the albanian traditions and language?
Kamber i kishe te gjitha mundesite te na kerkoje nje perkthim te sakte .Dhe me kerko ndihme sa here qe perkthen nga greqishtja .
"Kryetari (dimarkos) i foli i nervozuar dhe me ton te ashper .Ne tha, po perpiqemi ti bejme keta njerez dhe ketu ti e pret duke kaluar te pjesa e burimit .Kjo eshte nje tekst shume i njohur dhe une mund ta gjej dha ta jap te perkthyer
Πολύ ενδιαφέρον το Ελληνικό κείμενο αλλά, δυστυχώς, έχει μεταφερθεί με ελλείψεις ώστε σε πολλά σημεία να παραμένει ασύνδετο. Καλό είναι να διορθωθεί διότι είναι πολύ χρήσιμο.
@Italianissimo86 ,, yes you can blame it on the muther fucking turk bastards that you are in italia. but history cant be rewriten as long as you know who put you there and what your roots are. dont lose yourself
@agon1984 :-) well unfortunetly I live in Germany. Italian history is very difficult.
Because Italy doesn't exist. It's an invention of "Piemontese" (Northern Italian region). South Italians have nothing in common with them. There is a kind of small war between North and South Italy.
I come from Salento. The first people who came to Salento were the "Messapi".
An Illyrian tribe. Than we were part of Magna Grecia for long time.
Than, our land became part of Rome (also for long time) CONTINUE
@agon1984 but they allowed us to live culture and language of Magna Grecia.
Than we became part of Byzantine Empire (and greek was still spoken).
Well that was the history of my mothers town. Than between 1400-1500 Fragagnano became Arbereshe. Since the half of 19th century arbereshe was still spoken. But than South Italy got italianized. It was forbidden to continue to speak arbereshe/greek and other languages.
And since now our situation is bad. We got colonized (like Africa) CONTINUE...
@agon1984 Today in Italy there is a lot of racism. Because northern Italians do not understand our culture. We are different, because we have balcanic roots. Greek and albanian. For example our way to celebrate religious ceremonys are officilaly catholic, but
if you look twice you'll see that it's only camouflage. It's greek orthodox.
Because of italianisation, there werde formed a lot of dialects in south Italy. Also today in our language you can find a lot of greek and albanian words....
@agon1984 Anyway. You 're right. The turk were/ and are already now a strange country. The want to dominate all. Here in Germany there are a lot of turks, they have problems to integrate.
do you know how many arvanitas say that they are albanian
a friend of me is from cameri he didn´t know who he was but when i tell him that in greece lived many albanians he say to me my father, grandfather...... were albanian and yet he go to a albanien teacher to learn the language
i dont claim arvanites are albanian.i say and stand by it that arvanites are arberor.if you know what this is then find me one person in his or her right mind that can oppose it and i will give you 10000000000000001 euros.
hey japanesxx archimalakas, i have a nice quote for you:
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When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."
once again, i will say it one more time... please try to assimilate the following statement:
AT THAT TIME, THE WORD "GREEK" MEANT ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN, AND THE WORD "TURK" MEANT MUSLIM. THE OTTOMANS DID NOT PERMIT THE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE, SO CHRISTIANS STUDIED GREEK AND MUSLIMS STUDIED TURKISH...
THEREFORE, IF ANYONE STILL SPOKE ALBANIAN AT THE END OF THIS LONG PERIOD, THEY WERE TRUE ALBANIANS, BECAUSE THE EDUCATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND POWER OF THE TIME DID NOT EXIST IN THE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE.
Who called it the Greek revolution, was it the papudhes or the big powers that were influenced by some so called greek traders who were living in Russia. Go read the book "As Greece might be free", you will find many things there, try to analyze it too, not just read it.
Is true, few arvanites for not say neither say they are albanian, this is becouse they are hardly manipulated till 2 centuries, and they choose to be greeks, be sacred their choise, the most priority is that they live good, and away from racism and hatred, they survived by doing this, they claim to be greeks, even they still strongly protect their arvanitika culture and language.
Yes there is a video a Arvaniti saying that we are blood brothers, we were just separated. Find it, you will be surprised. Also I ma telling you since I lived amongst them. Albanian/Arvaniti/Arnaut/Shqiptar same thing.
@japanesexxx whoe gives a fuck if arvanites think they are albanian,, if they dont like albanians to say so, they better stop talking our language , singing our letters. why not complete assimilation to greek then. then everything stays for us pure albanians. wich respect there roots and traditions. actually arvanites dont deserve to be called albanians.
@agon1984 You do not have to worry brother. Arvanites will soon stop talking this language because kids don't want to learn this language.People who talk this language are over 80 years old and very soon they will rest in peace.
@japanesexxx /watch?v=DKSS4-sQAkM <-- this is a greek documentary about Arvanites !
you also have a lot of videos here on you tube with Arvanites who speak and sing in Albanian and they are proud to be Arvanites - Albanians cuz Albanian means ARVANITE ( ARBER , ARBERESH ) AND Arvanites ( Arber , Arberesh ) means ALBANIAN ! WE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE , WE ARE BROTHERS , SONS OF THE GREAT PELASGO - ILLYRIANS - THE OLDEST PEOPLE OF EUROPE !
I bet you don't dare to step foot on salamina and spread your propaganda there is only behind your computer that you can insult me, the greek people and distort the Greek
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bylysi ihave you find one arvanite at greece, at youtube or whoever who claims that he is an albanian? Pls indicate us this man it would be funny.
As far from blood theories i leave this ridicules theories to nazis and their supporters. One thing is nation another is race.All you albanians are from one race only? The ancient illyrians only? Pls en light us
I am Arvanite through great-grandparents, but I still consider myself Greek! My family speaks Greek, including my maternal grandfather, who also speaks Arvanitika.
I'm so tired of Greeks and Albanians arguing about this stuff... so what if we're mixed up, who cares?
nefeli danai, you are a weak kid, kissing the ass of the oppressor, hating your own heritage and creating videos lacking any intellectual insight and possessing absolutely no aesthetic quality.
i suppose this is what happens to an albanian when he loses connection with his roots... he withers away and become like a dying flower.
shame on you kid. you want so much to be a greek, but you do not understand the place you call home today is as far away from the philosophy of hellenism as possible.
When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."
i know well what kuluri is but you should learn more.
greeks and turks were are and will be brothers.arvanites have nothing to do with turks or their brothers the yununistanians/"greeks".you had ottoman sultans and sultans wifes and harem but not us.
and kuluri does not mean ring.kuluri comes from pelasgo-illyrian word kulari meaning circular.for example a snake gets in a circular shape that is kulari
Arvanitasit jan vellazerit e mi , kemi ne gjak, jemi nje komb, i dua arvanitasit ashtu sic i dua edhe Shqitpraet e kosoves, te R. Shqipris, te maqedonis, te malesis, te cameris, sepse JEMI NJE, JEMI NJE KOMB. TE RROJN ARVANITASIT, se shpejti do te jem ne vizit te ta. Ti harojm ndasit mes nesh e te kapemi per pune se koha po punon per ne. Pershendetje nga shkupi per te gjithe.
Me dhem zemra, kur ta mendoj se qfar kulture po shlyet.
Shtepia e "arvanitit" eshte ngreqi, ato duhet ta respektojm, po greqia do ta respekton kulturen e popullates e vet.
Identiteti Nacional i greqies eshte kultura arvanite, heroit e grqeis jan arvanit...po greqia prapo nuk ja lejon me mesu gjuhen e vet, dhe sja jep drejtat e vat qka i takojn si popull i ky vendit.
Un jam nga Kosova, dhe me dhem zemra se dit per dit po harrojet ma shum nga ksaj dege shqiptare.
Mendoj qe arvanitasve t'u deshmojme respekt dhe dashuri.Ata jane rritur ne Greqi dhe jane njehsuar me greket per arsyet qe dihen.Me mire t'i informojme duke iu treguat referenca historianesh qe te kene mundesi te clirohen nga propaganda greke e jo t'u kerkojme llogari.Ata e dine mire cfare jane e nga vijne,por duhet t'u japim kohe e te tregojme durim.Greqia do te mbetet pjese e tyre.Le te bejme ne Shqiperine te tille qe t'i kthejne syte drejte saj,e te mos u vije turp per rrenjet.Tunjatjeta!
ali pasha tepelena is known to kill many christian albanians...no wounder why many orthodox lbanian e.g. arvanitas feel more greek today...sad...ask the arberesh in italy...this is a true story...
thank you...ali pasha was kinda an idiot...but most of them where chrtistian albanian..from what i heard he only killed muslims that sided with them....ask the arberesh in italy becausearvanites ran to them
not an idiot sister a fox.he was clever and rutheless at the same time.he killed many muslims in epirus alsoand the arbereshi and arvanites and shqiptar is synonimus
I don't know about the young generation of arberors, but both the older and the younger generations of Arvanites are the pride of Greek people. That's why you can't provoke Arvanites to hate the other Greeks. You didn't give me your sources though. What was the tribe of the major of Koulouri (Salamina)? Cause I'm pretty sure that he was Arvanit (all Koulouriotes are). So, according to you,an Arvanit didn't allow the other Arvanites to speak the Arvanit language. Probably you didn't understand...
well if you are arvanite you know what is arberor and arberia but you chose to play dumb.thats all fine.
i dont want any arvanite to hate anybody i want them to keep their identity language and culture and not to be blown smoke in their eyes as you try to do.not because you feel super greek but because you like your pocket to be full.
and as far as my video look again.kuluri was the one who wrote the book so that the young children could learn the language and that is what your nice state said.
Koulourioti was the one who wrote the book and Koulouri is the island near Athens, where he met its major. Do propaganda but do it properly. I am one of the Arvanites you want to persuade and you keep insulting me. Strange propaganda. Thanks for caring about us though, but we can take care of ourselves nad of our culture.
i know what kuluri is.this is not propaganda dimwit is your history.you ignore what you dont like but it doesnt change things.i dont wish to persuade anything i am just showing what a man fought for and what these "nice" greeks wanted.which is what comes out of your mouth now.and dont mistake i do not wish to persuade anyone especially you and those like you.those like you i despise.never forget.
If you're really arvanite, you would care about having the right to express yourself publicly that you're Arvanite and that you have the right to speak Arvanite, to learn it at school, to use in your day to day work in your own village or city. Is that the case? If not, why not? It's not about making you and your family members hate Greeks, but it's about minority rights, the right to protect your own culture, to use your own language, etc.
also are some pomaki thrakoillyrian tribe that are muslims but hate turks because turks want them to behave like turkish and they help greeks they have names like karahotza like that
and siptars kastriotis=big family of vyzantium ioannis kastriotis=lord of despotato of epirus also your language same proves giergi=georgios ion=ioannis giergi is my name in albanian also your flag emblem of vyzantium the porfyrum the red but don't worry greeks turks hate us as berisha learns you big albania by egypt not greece is not enough take egypt also or turkey with instabul
tsamides had greek nationality in 1923 venizelos said to go at turkey if they want because majority was muslim when we changed populations with turkish with the treaty of lauzanne but tsamides said we are greek citizens that speak the albanian language something like muslim at thraki northern greece there are muslims that are greeks in papers but in reality are turks mustafa mehmet turkish surnames and they live with greeks peacefully there despite turkey tries to turn all them against us
no not only cam arbanites also arbanites from morea atiki and thrakia were send to turkey muslim ones.while the christians you tried to make greek and maybe succeded in some degree.blood doesnt change for us by religion like it does amongst your people.we are a people related by blood and culture you are united by faith.
Arvanites and the rest of the greeks are united by common fights against the Ottomans, the fascists and the nazists (not by religion). Why didn't the Albanians think about their blood in 1821-1829, 1897, 1912-1913, 1940-1944 when they fought against their supposed "blood-brothers", Arvanites, with cruelty serving other interests? Why don't you accept your mistakes but keep doing a hilarious propaganda based on distorted "truth" and cultivating only hate?
one truth guys:suliotes spoke greek and the albanian language markos botsaris wrote the first greek albanian dictionary other legends refer and a greek historical writer wrote suliotes were the real warriors of georgios kastriotis who fought turks with him and for this kastriotis or kastriot gave them land to epirus which preserved it them by ottoman period
no they didnt.neither they nor kolokotroni.you must know the REAL story of kollokotroni am sure.when he say to his troops in greek.fotia!!!! not one of his soldiers moved because they did not speak greek and they looked confused.then he said: po zjarrm more djema!!!! then they all moved to fight.so lets not assume things giorgo because i know you are not racist.but apreciate things for what they are not what you want them to be.arvanite=arbereor not greek or turk.
no labi you albanians have lost your mind i am arvanitis my grandma was arvanitisa but she is not albanian no way her daddy fought italians at your mountains arvanites have fought for greece for orthodoxy we are not albanians no way i dont know what happened years ago maybe were friends i dont vknow so the truth is that some old greek arvanitises especially spoke a kind od old dialect tosk albanian different from current albanian but south albanians can understand them
cruelties but he learnt to many greeks who started our revolution the use of guns and he was the first who tried to fight the barbarians and the tyrrans of balcans the seltzuks moggols turks
also some of us are racists i dont like it but not all and also not all albanians are like you here in youtube i ve met albanians in real life immigrants that were nice people friendly and i forgot the number of beers gave to me i have friend from berat sokol with his wife and daughter i visited his home when i m going back to greece he behaved me like brother even a greek touches him i will beat him by death he is so good human they are not like you here in this youtube
i have many greek friends but they are good people not racist fuckers like here in youtube or in greece.same thing he got into a fight i jumped for him.i respect good greeks but i refer to the racist peoples here.and you know how it is in greece so i shouldnt have to speak.
So, now, all greeks in greece are racist! The offspring of the ones that fought against the Nazis...What a surprise. A piece of advice from a "racist greek guy": Try to learn to respect ALL human beings and their right to self-identify. Also, talking about blood-theories is a bit racist. Try to avoid it.
no.but mot are.their policies are.the racists control the country.
i respect all who are respectfull of me and mine.but i will not lay down for a racist fuck like you and friends to walk over me.and just because i love my blood does not mean i can not respect another.that is what divides us true arberors from ones like you.
Racist control is to find out who entered Greece illegally? (cause the vast majority of the immigrants in Greece have entered illegally). What is the racist policy? That we do not sink boats with illegal immigrants as other states do or that we accept all races living in Greece as equal citizens to other Greeks (gypsies, pomaks, turkophones, jews etc.)? Hitler loved his Aryan blood too: should we admire him for what he did? We are not arberors, we are Arvanites, whether you like it or not.
no the racist policy is to beat an old man and the criminals are praised.so dont tell me what the fuck i am speaking of you bitch.
you are so lame with this.you know arvanite and arberor is the same thing so be sneaky all you want.just remember you are a fake greek and always will be a wanabe and will die a worthless person.hajde kiu ne byth nani ore tradhetar nieri.
No, I don't know it. My parents and grandparents have told me that I am Arvanit and full Greek. I think they know better than you. Can you also explain me what you mean by "beating an old man"?
What is the difference between being Arberor and Arvanitas? Would you be so kind to explain it?
Have you ever heard about the Arberesh in Italy, about their history, where did they come from before settling down in Southern Italy? Please find the time to learn more about Arberesh, about how they feel today, about their language, the songs, the culture. I think you would be very surprised.
No... Albanians are saints tortured by the greek-devils. You know Albanians... those who knelt before "divine" Bush (and later to "godly" Obama) just to show Him their loyalty to His holy cause of beating the terrorrism of the Afghan civilians in Northern and then in Southern Afghanistan. lol
and you albanians support vardarska and turkey and this son of bulgarian bitch gruevski you call them macedonia and turkish considers you the best brothers at tirana the football game you had flags of turkey and from the stolen part of our cyprus anyway i understand someway this hatred is from your governments derived greeks killed us did genocide big skiperia by preveza and giannena bastard greeks asian greeks all this you learn it in your schools because it's good for your government to hate
other tsamides other arvanites labi other tosks other geks from albanians i met in real life north albanians are geks speak a different language from south siptars tosks who speak the same with arvanites in greece tosk albanian my grandma spoke some of it anyway the albanians of albania and here hate us by death like turks same thing albania and turkey you are friends also for this greeks we turned near to russia and serbia but i dont trust neither slavs i consider them biggest pussies ever
@GiorgosGRALANI sorry for the late reply but i am a gheg albanian and i can understand abit of arvantie,,Not much diffrent from arvantie,There is many words in gheg that is closer to arvantie than tosk and they same with tosk,.so i dont belive what you wrote sorry
labi arvanites moved hundred years ago to greece from the albanian part of epirus labi you were part of vyzantium years ago your flag your eagle is a warrior emblem of vyzantine empire which georgios kastriotis the vyzantine lord gave it to his albanians soldiers for serving him against turks ,giergi kastriot albanian georgios=giergi labi my name father of kastriot ion kastriot =ioannis kastriotis the lord of despotato of epirus from the big vyzantine family kastriotis
greece that you have today exists from hundreds of years????????????????
in what dimension is this because it is not in ours.and no they didnt just move from epirus which was always not greek but albanian.the suliotes moved from north calloed malsia.thivajotet moved from kosova so on and so forth.and kastrioti was a northenern too not only epirote.he was our king also but first we had gjergj arianit golemi.his father in law.when married donika he became also our king.
and this with cameria is getting sick you have more than 500,000 your compatriots in greece all they got houses cars money where is the problem i dont know what zervas did exactly to them if he did cruelties without reason i dont know but if you go labi at thesprotia ask any greek there all have a story for the cams who killed them with nazis i dont accuse all cams i dont think all were antigreeks in one nation its not possible all to be haters
bravo bylysi je i pa pame.tregoju bythqimave greke se jane fashist dhe hajdute.gjithcka qe krenohen e kane te vjedhur.qe nga mitologjia deri tek historia e vone.arvanitasit po i bejne grek vllehet gjithashtu.jane rac inferiore te ardhur nga egjipti ne tokat tona.mekat qe kemi rene kaq poshte si ne vllehet ashtu dhe nje pjese e shqiptareve po cfare te besh varferia beri te veten.
no the world doesnt care to know that actually is not the same language but there is so much diference between old and new greek is considered a different language.
italy and greece are way two diferent things in structure people and whatever you like to point at.
and ethniclly the new greeks have nothing to do with the old linguisticlly culturally nopthing about ancient greece is portraied my modern greek society.
anytime you want, send me a pm and I can prove you anything you want (especially for the linguistic and cultural connection between ancient and modern Greece). Thank God, I'll just write and won't waste any of my breaths.
to kange shkodrane:also i met dark skin albanians also i met albanians orthodox and south shqiptars many of them are orthodox and also uck leader hasim thaci had a dark skin ??where is the point man with dark skin ?also albanians are dark and whites souliotes had greek names markos botsaris kitsos tzavelas labros tzavelas orthodox people ali pasha of tepeleni was albanian and he chased them by death suliotes suffered by ali pasha
this albanian cams wanted their fortunes back from what i ve seen in official reactions and from greek channels that went to them in albania the old albanotsamides want fortunes back that is impossible because gave them to greek refugees from pontos after the convictions of the law court of jiannina
illyrians didnt leave written monuments but in albania i know that some temples like epidamnos at vlore albanians and one that albanians call it apollonia ancient temple like the greek ancient temples
Ti na kanume ma afon o skata elinas ELLADITHS. Aftos lei ine arvanitas ama dhen ine. Ine asfalos. Esi e kane kala pu egrapse zoi to ANASTAS KULURIOTI. Skata elinas to skotosane. To skotosane kai JORGO MARUGA, skotosane ARISTIDH KOLIA ( 1944-2000)
Evharisto -Thanks
Niko Arvaniti
(pendekaltri)
ARVANITES:Have more dignity, don't deny the blood of your forefathers, don't deny your history, culture and language
This means that the old brave Arvanites are not dead! They left behinde them some new branches that are not just more beautifull but stronger.
Wake up brothers!
All Albanians of the world are with you now. We dont want you to be part of Albania but to respect your self there where you live, to speak your own langauge everywhere in the streets in the shops in the local offices and everywhere. We want the little Arvanites to go to school and learn their own langauge & history
to pendekaltri:magka exo arvanitiko aima i giagia mou apo arvanitiko xorio einai oi arvanites ellines eimaste imastan kai tha eimaste apo tin periohi tis albanias irthame prin xronia gia auto i glossa einai albanika toskika kai ego tous albanous de tous theoro poly diaforetikous apo emas pelasgiko fylo eiste aplos oi tourkoi sas allaksan ta miala kai sto b pagkosmio pigate enantion mas tespa oloi anthropoi eimaste ola edo menoune kai feugoune
Have more dignity, don't deny the blood of your forefathers, don't deny your history, culture and language. As you consider yourselves greeks (and greeks are you now but of old albanian origin) why don't you ask the greek government to recognise your rights to preserve this great culture and language of yours, whatever origin it is...look at our brothers in south Italy the Arberesh, they have all the rights for their culture and language !!!
No. Arvanites govern Greece together with other Greeks. We can do anything we want, through the greek political institutions. So blaming the greek government for what it did or didn't to us, would be like blaming ourselves.
P.S.:I'm not fond neither of kings nor of propagandists.
I am wondering when Arvanites will wake up and understand that Greeks dont want them to speak Arvanitika!
When are they gonna understand that Greeks wants this culture to end as soon as posible.
They clame that Arvanite is the old Greek language so why dont they open schools so all the Greeks learn their old language so it dont die?
Why dont the Greek government make some programs to protect this language and this community to servive since they are the one that gave Greece the Indipendence?
Arvanit wake up and start asking from the state that you fought for to respect you!
Ask for schools in Arvanite language
If the Greek government really appreciate what Arvanites did in Greece then they should allow them to speak their language, and open schools for the little Arvanite kids
Greeks just want that culture to die. They want that language to stop existing. They want those songs to be forgoten
This is not gonna happen as long as in their veins runs still Arvanite blood
arvanitet flasin arvanitce more picke pasqyre.edhe ti ellasdiths,ketu arvanitce-shqip te vjeter po flet dhe pastaj thua qe ne kemi qene dhe jemi grek.po shqipen kush jua mesoj,greku?apo ishte shqipja anglishte atehere dhe i hynte ne pune cdokujt!ju ka bere greku budallenj,ju dha toka dhe ju asimiloj duke ju thene qe ju jeni ortodokse,trima qe luftuat per memen greqi.arvanitas,arberesh,arnaut,jane nje ore mut-gjake shqiptari,do apo sdo ti.e tregon gjuha,zakoni.greku gjithmone e ka mallkuar kete
why you dont ask arvanites what they are, but you suppose and decide what they are? ai tse ka pieperi ka e de thikene. e de neve thomi tse jemi ellina pse ellina ishne tere printete tane. mosh flishni y per neve! gluxa tse flasim ishte gluxa ellhnikh. gka e tsouate tse gia gluxa alvanikh? asthoy thon ata tse tu mbene stetin alvaniko? xaxaxa
you don´t reconigse any minority un greece.expecialy what have to do with albanians.not the emigrants,but other that are living ther.or let say the cultur,the tradition.you call evrything greek,and after you declear south albania vorio epirus.albanian respect the greek minority in albania but you?you say only shit about albanians and you are speaking about antigreek agenda?see the reality
you are speaking about anti greek agenda?you are speaking about things that mus go better?don´t lie about albanians,about arvanites.today they are greek,but the language,arvanitic,is old albanian language.this is fact!see aristidh kolias book,and the greek and other arcives of the state!the language tell o lot of,even that they just spoken this language for so many centurys.don´t lie about arvanites.arvanitic old albanian language.word for word.
yes but you know what? With the same logic, albanian goverment has anti greek agenta....All balkan countries have ...antiwhatever agenda. Videos like this dont help to move on and make the things better. They help to create more hate. Is this your intention? Or you believe that your country is always a victim of the other "bad" neighbors (Greece, Serbia). I am a greek by the way. Do you consider me as your enemy? Coz i am not.
teliste, if you cannot see that serbia had an anti-albanian agenda in kosova, i suggest you read Takis Michas, "Unholy Alliance" to help you understand how you were almost completely shielded from the truth about atrocities committed by serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova, by reactionary forces both in your government and religious institutions (which as you know are often one and the same in greece, a nation that still has not progressed socially to the point of separating church & state).
i don't consider greece an enemy at all, we have a lot in common. but your nationalist elements and much of the clerical militia are proponents of a total revisionism verging on crimes against humanity for their efforts to erase albanian culture and identity which has played such a significant role in shaping modern greek culture, despite severe discrimination against the albanian language.
Eventually those in Greece, at least the Albanians who remained Orthodox adopted a Greek identity. They did so partly they would then be allowed to be married with the indigenous Greeks and partly because integration brought with it a higher level of economic opportunity. The Albanians living in the Greek islands adjusted even more quickly, since then they were exposed to the influence of maritime travel and trade.
..cont..As a result, many of them (albanians) played a significant role in the Greek war of Liberation and achieved leadership positions with the post-revolutionary governments. Of course Albanians and Greeks also fought on behalf of the sultans....A.Gerlymatos The Balkan Wars
Problemi me i madhe eshte qe Greqia tash fillon te bej propagand, kishe i don shqiptaret ortodoks! Frika eshte qe ata mund te mashtrohen shume leht, andaj shpresoj qe se paku t'ju bije ne mend historia e arvaniteve, se si "vllezerit grek" masakruan dhe asimiluan me mijra shqiptar ortodoks. ARVANITES ARE ASSIMILATED ALBANIANS, but Greeks pretend that they "feel" greek, so they are greek. If they were greek, WHY didn't they forget the albanian traditions and language?
Dardenea006 1 month ago
Kamber i kishe te gjitha mundesite te na kerkoje nje perkthim te sakte .Dhe me kerko ndihme sa here qe perkthen nga greqishtja .
"Kryetari (dimarkos) i foli i nervozuar dhe me ton te ashper .Ne tha, po perpiqemi ti bejme keta njerez dhe ketu ti e pret duke kaluar te pjesa e burimit .Kjo eshte nje tekst shume i njohur dhe une mund ta gjej dha ta jap te perkthyer
Adriano2214 9 months ago
Πολύ ενδιαφέρον το Ελληνικό κείμενο αλλά, δυστυχώς, έχει μεταφερθεί με ελλείψεις ώστε σε πολλά σημεία να παραμένει ασύνδετο. Καλό είναι να διορθωθεί διότι είναι πολύ χρήσιμο.
ΖΗΤΩ Ο ΚΑΣΤΡΙΩΤΗΣ!
LONG LIVE SKANDERBERG!
horsebackarchers 9 months ago
tani u fikosva, po si dreqin na qenka grek kur qe ka mbiemri duket qe eshte shqiptar ai i pari , nejse , sidoqofte muzike e bukur
besar3x 1 year ago
I love my albanian brothers i discovered now, that I'm an Arbereshe.
My mother comes from Fragagnano (Ta) it's an arbereshe village.
Is there somebody who can teach me albanian language.
I'm proud to be an italian with albanian roots.
God save shqipery
Italianissimo86 1 year ago
@Italianissimo86 teach my friend you dont need to be teached you already know how to speak albanian,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 unfortunetly no. I want to be tought in albanian language....
Italianissimo86 1 year ago
@Italianissimo86 ,, yes you can blame it on the muther fucking turk bastards that you are in italia. but history cant be rewriten as long as you know who put you there and what your roots are. dont lose yourself
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 :-) well unfortunetly I live in Germany. Italian history is very difficult.
Because Italy doesn't exist. It's an invention of "Piemontese" (Northern Italian region). South Italians have nothing in common with them. There is a kind of small war between North and South Italy.
I come from Salento. The first people who came to Salento were the "Messapi".
An Illyrian tribe. Than we were part of Magna Grecia for long time.
Than, our land became part of Rome (also for long time) CONTINUE
Italianissimo86 1 year ago
@agon1984 but they allowed us to live culture and language of Magna Grecia.
Than we became part of Byzantine Empire (and greek was still spoken).
Well that was the history of my mothers town. Than between 1400-1500 Fragagnano became Arbereshe. Since the half of 19th century arbereshe was still spoken. But than South Italy got italianized. It was forbidden to continue to speak arbereshe/greek and other languages.
And since now our situation is bad. We got colonized (like Africa) CONTINUE...
Italianissimo86 1 year ago
@agon1984 Today in Italy there is a lot of racism. Because northern Italians do not understand our culture. We are different, because we have balcanic roots. Greek and albanian. For example our way to celebrate religious ceremonys are officilaly catholic, but
if you look twice you'll see that it's only camouflage. It's greek orthodox.
Because of italianisation, there werde formed a lot of dialects in south Italy. Also today in our language you can find a lot of greek and albanian words....
Italianissimo86 1 year ago
@agon1984 Anyway. You 're right. The turk were/ and are already now a strange country. The want to dominate all. Here in Germany there are a lot of turks, they have problems to integrate.
Well long live Skanderbeg !!!
Italianissimo86 1 year ago
do you know how many arvanitas say that they are albanian
a friend of me is from cameri he didn´t know who he was but when i tell him that in greece lived many albanians he say to me my father, grandfather...... were albanian and yet he go to a albanien teacher to learn the language
that are arvanitas
Kastriot955 2 years ago
I respect all Albanians as my brothers.
Those who claim that Arvanites are Albanians: Please find ONLY ONE Arvaniti who claims that he/she is Albanian. I will give you 100000000000 Euro.
japanesexxx 2 years ago
i dont claim arvanites are albanian.i say and stand by it that arvanites are arberor.if you know what this is then find me one person in his or her right mind that can oppose it and i will give you 10000000000000001 euros.
bylysi 2 years ago 8
@bylysi
Where do you see the difference between the 'Albanian' and 'Arberor'?
Pure curiosity and no disrespect to your identity..
dukoduli 7 months ago
hey japanesxx archimalakas, i have a nice quote for you:
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When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."
King Otto, Zaharias Papantoniou
Ζαχαρίας Παπαντωνίου; Τα ψηλά βουνά
balkancoolhead 2 years ago 5
Besides using awful language
can you use you mind once in your life and ask "where were the Greeks??
The land was called Greece, it was a Greek revolution , does that ring a bell??
NefeliDanai 2 years ago
once again, i will say it one more time... please try to assimilate the following statement:
AT THAT TIME, THE WORD "GREEK" MEANT ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN, AND THE WORD "TURK" MEANT MUSLIM. THE OTTOMANS DID NOT PERMIT THE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE, SO CHRISTIANS STUDIED GREEK AND MUSLIMS STUDIED TURKISH...
THEREFORE, IF ANYONE STILL SPOKE ALBANIAN AT THE END OF THIS LONG PERIOD, THEY WERE TRUE ALBANIANS, BECAUSE THE EDUCATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND POWER OF THE TIME DID NOT EXIST IN THE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago 3
Who called it the Greek revolution, was it the papudhes or the big powers that were influenced by some so called greek traders who were living in Russia. Go read the book "As Greece might be free", you will find many things there, try to analyze it too, not just read it.
TRAZUAR 2 years ago 3
Is true, few arvanites for not say neither say they are albanian, this is becouse they are hardly manipulated till 2 centuries, and they choose to be greeks, be sacred their choise, the most priority is that they live good, and away from racism and hatred, they survived by doing this, they claim to be greeks, even they still strongly protect their arvanitika culture and language.
Best Regards
RenaldoNjeshi 2 years ago 4
Yes there is a video a Arvaniti saying that we are blood brothers, we were just separated. Find it, you will be surprised. Also I ma telling you since I lived amongst them. Albanian/Arvaniti/Arnaut/Shqiptar same thing.
TRAZUAR 2 years ago 3
Arvanites have nothing to do with arnaut and shqip. They denied to get islamized like arnaut and other traitors.
japanesexxx 2 years ago
What an idiot you are, still with idiotics ideology, Both Christianity and Islam, came from gypsies of middle East, so shut up and move on moron.
TRAZUAR 2 years ago 2
yess but i am not muslim eather and pure albanian. so it doenst matter i love my brothers and my people wherever they are
agon1984 2 years ago 3
@japanesexxx whoe gives a fuck if arvanites think they are albanian,, if they dont like albanians to say so, they better stop talking our language , singing our letters. why not complete assimilation to greek then. then everything stays for us pure albanians. wich respect there roots and traditions. actually arvanites dont deserve to be called albanians.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 You do not have to worry brother. Arvanites will soon stop talking this language because kids don't want to learn this language.People who talk this language are over 80 years old and very soon they will rest in peace.
japanesexxx 1 year ago
@japanesexxx your are a racist, go suck some cock, japanese
agon1984 1 year ago
@japanesexxx you are what you want to be, you become what you want to become. but dont talk our language. be a greek then if you are a greek
agon1984 1 year ago
@japanesexxx /watch?v=DKSS4-sQAkM <-- this is a greek documentary about Arvanites !
you also have a lot of videos here on you tube with Arvanites who speak and sing in Albanian and they are proud to be Arvanites - Albanians cuz Albanian means ARVANITE ( ARBER , ARBERESH ) AND Arvanites ( Arber , Arberesh ) means ALBANIAN ! WE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE , WE ARE BROTHERS , SONS OF THE GREAT PELASGO - ILLYRIANS - THE OLDEST PEOPLE OF EUROPE !
IllyriPower 2 months ago
shume pune te mire mor vella. rrofte Iliria, Shqiperia dhe Shqiptaret.
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"No Respect, No Peace."
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
shume vidio e mire, flm shume per punen tend te vertet.
xxLLMMxx 2 years ago
flm shume.seshte vetem puna ime
bylysi 2 years ago
te lumshin duart qe e ke perkthyer ne 3 gjuhe, shum pune te mire ke bere !
ethnikhart 2 years ago
Something else, It is a disgrace to the memory of Karaiskakis to use his picture as your avatar . Karaiskakis fought against the Albanians.
NefeliDanai 2 years ago
you are a shame to humanity because you are a devolution of the species.
you dont know what his name means or where it came from so learn then speak to me.
he could not speak the greek language but only my language.
now who is disgracce you or me?
bylysi 2 years ago
I bet you don't dare to step foot on salamina and spread your propaganda there is only behind your computer that you can insult me, the greek people and distort the Greek
history
NefeliDanai 2 years ago
i dare to step to your father and ask for your mother.
you hear me rabbit?
you dont know me or what i can do so do not judge from your windouless basement.
greek people and greek history??? man get out of here turkish christian punk.
dont tell me what i can and cant do for my own people.
bylysi 2 years ago
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bylysi ihave you find one arvanite at greece, at youtube or whoever who claims that he is an albanian? Pls indicate us this man it would be funny.
As far from blood theories i leave this ridicules theories to nazis and their supporters. One thing is nation another is race.All you albanians are from one race only? The ancient illyrians only? Pls en light us
adavalas 2 years ago
I am Arvanite through great-grandparents, but I still consider myself Greek! My family speaks Greek, including my maternal grandfather, who also speaks Arvanitika.
I'm so tired of Greeks and Albanians arguing about this stuff... so what if we're mixed up, who cares?
GREEKxISLANDxGAL 2 years ago
nefeli danai, you are a weak kid, kissing the ass of the oppressor, hating your own heritage and creating videos lacking any intellectual insight and possessing absolutely no aesthetic quality.
i suppose this is what happens to an albanian when he loses connection with his roots... he withers away and become like a dying flower.
shame on you kid. you want so much to be a greek, but you do not understand the place you call home today is as far away from the philosophy of hellenism as possible.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."
King Otto, Zaharias Papantoniou
Ζαχαρίας Παπαντωνίου; Τα ψηλά βουνά
balkancoolhead 2 years ago 2
Bylysi , Kuluri or Koulouri means ring is not arvanitika, is the city of island salamina , have you ever been there
You are spreading propaganda because you are omitting important historical facts
In the 18th cent Greece is under the Turk & Albanian bond, Greek language is banned
plus the elimination of the Greeks in what is today Albania in order to create the fake state of Albania in the 19th cent.
NefeliDanai 2 years ago
i know well what kuluri is but you should learn more.
greeks and turks were are and will be brothers.arvanites have nothing to do with turks or their brothers the yununistanians/"greeks".you had ottoman sultans and sultans wifes and harem but not us.
bylysi 2 years ago
and kuluri does not mean ring.kuluri comes from pelasgo-illyrian word kulari meaning circular.for example a snake gets in a circular shape that is kulari
bylysi 2 years ago
Arvanitasit jan vellazerit e mi , kemi ne gjak, jemi nje komb, i dua arvanitasit ashtu sic i dua edhe Shqitpraet e kosoves, te R. Shqipris, te maqedonis, te malesis, te cameris, sepse JEMI NJE, JEMI NJE KOMB. TE RROJN ARVANITASIT, se shpejti do te jem ne vizit te ta. Ti harojm ndasit mes nesh e te kapemi per pune se koha po punon per ne. Pershendetje nga shkupi per te gjithe.
albahackvideo 3 years ago 8
Te mirembahet porosia e te madhit ARISTIDH KOLA
ARVANITES A PURE ALBANIAN PEOPLE
sopieni 3 years ago 16
Ju njerz shqiptar qka jeni nga greqia, mus lejoni mu manipulu, keni drejtat si te ghith.
Nuk duhet mu bo Arvaniti Grek, po greqia do te bohet edhe arvanit.
mus lejoni qe iu shkellen drejtat e njeriut me kembe!!
pershendes nga Kosova dhe nga zemra
Ferizajcity 3 years ago 12
Me dhem zemra, kur ta mendoj se qfar kulture po shlyet.
Shtepia e "arvanitit" eshte ngreqi, ato duhet ta respektojm, po greqia do ta respekton kulturen e popullates e vet.
Identiteti Nacional i greqies eshte kultura arvanite, heroit e grqeis jan arvanit...po greqia prapo nuk ja lejon me mesu gjuhen e vet, dhe sja jep drejtat e vat qka i takojn si popull i ky vendit.
Un jam nga Kosova, dhe me dhem zemra se dit per dit po harrojet ma shum nga ksaj dege shqiptare.
Ferizajcity 3 years ago
Mendoj qe arvanitasve t'u deshmojme respekt dhe dashuri.Ata jane rritur ne Greqi dhe jane njehsuar me greket per arsyet qe dihen.Me mire t'i informojme duke iu treguat referenca historianesh qe te kene mundesi te clirohen nga propaganda greke e jo t'u kerkojme llogari.Ata e dine mire cfare jane e nga vijne,por duhet t'u japim kohe e te tregojme durim.Greqia do te mbetet pjese e tyre.Le te bejme ne Shqiperine te tille qe t'i kthejne syte drejte saj,e te mos u vije turp per rrenjet.Tunjatjeta!
Desaret2600 3 years ago
tamem trim.ata jane rritur mes armikut te izoluar edhe vetem.ulni kritikat djema e vajza edhe hapni syte tek vllazeria juaj.
bylysi 3 years ago
ali pasha tepelena is known to kill many christian albanians...no wounder why many orthodox lbanian e.g. arvanitas feel more greek today...sad...ask the arberesh in italy...this is a true story...
tina1988x 3 years ago
ali pasha killed muslim and christian alike if they got in his way.he didnt care albanian or greek or turk or whatever.
bylysi 3 years ago
thank you...ali pasha was kinda an idiot...but most of them where chrtistian albanian..from what i heard he only killed muslims that sided with them....ask the arberesh in italy becausearvanites ran to them
tina1988x 3 years ago
not an idiot sister a fox.he was clever and rutheless at the same time.he killed many muslims in epirus alsoand the arbereshi and arvanites and shqiptar is synonimus
bylysi 3 years ago
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Ferizajcity 3 years ago
I'm sorry for not understanding, but what is actually your point, bylysi? also, can you give us your historical sources?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
my point is that the young generation of arberors is a discrace to our people and blood.
bylysi 3 years ago
I don't know about the young generation of arberors, but both the older and the younger generations of Arvanites are the pride of Greek people. That's why you can't provoke Arvanites to hate the other Greeks. You didn't give me your sources though. What was the tribe of the major of Koulouri (Salamina)? Cause I'm pretty sure that he was Arvanit (all Koulouriotes are). So, according to you,an Arvanit didn't allow the other Arvanites to speak the Arvanit language. Probably you didn't understand...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
well if you are arvanite you know what is arberor and arberia but you chose to play dumb.thats all fine.
i dont want any arvanite to hate anybody i want them to keep their identity language and culture and not to be blown smoke in their eyes as you try to do.not because you feel super greek but because you like your pocket to be full.
and as far as my video look again.kuluri was the one who wrote the book so that the young children could learn the language and that is what your nice state said.
bylysi 3 years ago
Koulourioti was the one who wrote the book and Koulouri is the island near Athens, where he met its major. Do propaganda but do it properly. I am one of the Arvanites you want to persuade and you keep insulting me. Strange propaganda. Thanks for caring about us though, but we can take care of ourselves nad of our culture.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
i know what kuluri is.this is not propaganda dimwit is your history.you ignore what you dont like but it doesnt change things.i dont wish to persuade anything i am just showing what a man fought for and what these "nice" greeks wanted.which is what comes out of your mouth now.and dont mistake i do not wish to persuade anyone especially you and those like you.those like you i despise.never forget.
bylysi 3 years ago
If you're really arvanite, you would care about having the right to express yourself publicly that you're Arvanite and that you have the right to speak Arvanite, to learn it at school, to use in your day to day work in your own village or city. Is that the case? If not, why not? It's not about making you and your family members hate Greeks, but it's about minority rights, the right to protect your own culture, to use your own language, etc.
Ditlinda 3 years ago 2
...the words of the major. Don't explain quotes as you want to be explained.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
who wants to see looks who doesnt closes their eyes.so there you go snitch.gjak shprishur.
bylysi 3 years ago
I totally agree with your first phrase.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
good.
bylysi 3 years ago
sa melodi qe te terheq..
shiHanny 3 years ago
arvanitas e bene.petroloukas halkias e ka emrin.
bylysi 3 years ago
karin pith duar tsitsa astun kathen sote agalitsa
OLHMERAKALHMERA 3 years ago
komotini is half turkish half greek
ksanthi half greek half turkish
also are some pomaki thrakoillyrian tribe that are muslims but hate turks because turks want them to behave like turkish and they help greeks they have names like karahotza like that
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
and siptars kastriotis=big family of vyzantium ioannis kastriotis=lord of despotato of epirus also your language same proves giergi=georgios ion=ioannis giergi is my name in albanian also your flag emblem of vyzantium the porfyrum the red but don't worry greeks turks hate us as berisha learns you big albania by egypt not greece is not enough take egypt also or turkey with instabul
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
tsamides had greek nationality in 1923 venizelos said to go at turkey if they want because majority was muslim when we changed populations with turkish with the treaty of lauzanne but tsamides said we are greek citizens that speak the albanian language something like muslim at thraki northern greece there are muslims that are greeks in papers but in reality are turks mustafa mehmet turkish surnames and they live with greeks peacefully there despite turkey tries to turn all them against us
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
no not only cam arbanites also arbanites from morea atiki and thrakia were send to turkey muslim ones.while the christians you tried to make greek and maybe succeded in some degree.blood doesnt change for us by religion like it does amongst your people.we are a people related by blood and culture you are united by faith.
bylysi 3 years ago
Arvanites and the rest of the greeks are united by common fights against the Ottomans, the fascists and the nazists (not by religion). Why didn't the Albanians think about their blood in 1821-1829, 1897, 1912-1913, 1940-1944 when they fought against their supposed "blood-brothers", Arvanites, with cruelty serving other interests? Why don't you accept your mistakes but keep doing a hilarious propaganda based on distorted "truth" and cultivating only hate?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
one truth guys:suliotes spoke greek and the albanian language markos botsaris wrote the first greek albanian dictionary other legends refer and a greek historical writer wrote suliotes were the real warriors of georgios kastriotis who fought turks with him and for this kastriotis or kastriot gave them land to epirus which preserved it them by ottoman period
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
no they didnt.neither they nor kolokotroni.you must know the REAL story of kollokotroni am sure.when he say to his troops in greek.fotia!!!! not one of his soldiers moved because they did not speak greek and they looked confused.then he said: po zjarrm more djema!!!! then they all moved to fight.so lets not assume things giorgo because i know you are not racist.but apreciate things for what they are not what you want them to be.arvanite=arbereor not greek or turk.
bylysi 3 years ago
no labi you albanians have lost your mind i am arvanitis my grandma was arvanitisa but she is not albanian no way her daddy fought italians at your mountains arvanites have fought for greece for orthodoxy we are not albanians no way i dont know what happened years ago maybe were friends i dont vknow so the truth is that some old greek arvanitises especially spoke a kind od old dialect tosk albanian different from current albanian but south albanians can understand them
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
fier is old town and berat in albania?
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
cruelties but he learnt to many greeks who started our revolution the use of guns and he was the first who tried to fight the barbarians and the tyrrans of balcans the seltzuks moggols turks
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
also some of us are racists i dont like it but not all and also not all albanians are like you here in youtube i ve met albanians in real life immigrants that were nice people friendly and i forgot the number of beers gave to me i have friend from berat sokol with his wife and daughter i visited his home when i m going back to greece he behaved me like brother even a greek touches him i will beat him by death he is so good human they are not like you here in this youtube
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
i have many greek friends but they are good people not racist fuckers like here in youtube or in greece.same thing he got into a fight i jumped for him.i respect good greeks but i refer to the racist peoples here.and you know how it is in greece so i shouldnt have to speak.
bylysi 3 years ago
So, now, all greeks in greece are racist! The offspring of the ones that fought against the Nazis...What a surprise. A piece of advice from a "racist greek guy": Try to learn to respect ALL human beings and their right to self-identify. Also, talking about blood-theories is a bit racist. Try to avoid it.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
no.but mot are.their policies are.the racists control the country.
i respect all who are respectfull of me and mine.but i will not lay down for a racist fuck like you and friends to walk over me.and just because i love my blood does not mean i can not respect another.that is what divides us true arberors from ones like you.
bylysi 3 years ago
Racist control is to find out who entered Greece illegally? (cause the vast majority of the immigrants in Greece have entered illegally). What is the racist policy? That we do not sink boats with illegal immigrants as other states do or that we accept all races living in Greece as equal citizens to other Greeks (gypsies, pomaks, turkophones, jews etc.)? Hitler loved his Aryan blood too: should we admire him for what he did? We are not arberors, we are Arvanites, whether you like it or not.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
no the racist policy is to beat an old man and the criminals are praised.so dont tell me what the fuck i am speaking of you bitch.
you are so lame with this.you know arvanite and arberor is the same thing so be sneaky all you want.just remember you are a fake greek and always will be a wanabe and will die a worthless person.hajde kiu ne byth nani ore tradhetar nieri.
bylysi 3 years ago
No, I don't know it. My parents and grandparents have told me that I am Arvanit and full Greek. I think they know better than you. Can you also explain me what you mean by "beating an old man"?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
What is the difference between being Arberor and Arvanitas? Would you be so kind to explain it?
Have you ever heard about the Arberesh in Italy, about their history, where did they come from before settling down in Southern Italy? Please find the time to learn more about Arberesh, about how they feel today, about their language, the songs, the culture. I think you would be very surprised.
Ditlinda 3 years ago 2
The difference between them is that the Arberesh are albanised ex-Romioi residents of Italia while Arvanites are Romioi residents of Greece.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
hahaha what are americans then.anglicised-romioi? hahahahahaha
bylysi 1 year ago
Some of them. The rest of them are butcers of the peoples.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
And greeks? are they saints on earth send by the GREEK JESUS. to purify the world? hahahaha
bylysi 1 year ago
No... Albanians are saints tortured by the greek-devils. You know Albanians... those who knelt before "divine" Bush (and later to "godly" Obama) just to show Him their loyalty to His holy cause of beating the terrorrism of the Afghan civilians in Northern and then in Southern Afghanistan. lol
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@bylysi Greeks are one mixt people from GYPSY,Arabian,Slavs and Kurd! they don't have origine!!
Genti115 1 year ago
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@bylysi Greeks are one mixt people from GYPSY,Arabian,Slavs and Kurd! they don't have origine!!
Genti115 1 year ago
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@bylysi Greeks are one mixt people from GYPSY,Arabian,Slavs and Kurd! they don't have origine!!
Genti115 1 year ago
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@bylysi Greeks are one mixt people from GYPSY,Arabian,Slavs and Kurd! they don't have origine!!
Genti115 1 year ago
@soisodoeht greeks are ex egyptian cocksuckers, you are nothing
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 What a fully argumented speech!
soisodoeht 1 year ago
and you albanians support vardarska and turkey and this son of bulgarian bitch gruevski you call them macedonia and turkish considers you the best brothers at tirana the football game you had flags of turkey and from the stolen part of our cyprus anyway i understand someway this hatred is from your governments derived greeks killed us did genocide big skiperia by preveza and giannena bastard greeks asian greeks all this you learn it in your schools because it's good for your government to hate
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
other tsamides other arvanites labi other tosks other geks from albanians i met in real life north albanians are geks speak a different language from south siptars tosks who speak the same with arvanites in greece tosk albanian my grandma spoke some of it anyway the albanians of albania and here hate us by death like turks same thing albania and turkey you are friends also for this greeks we turned near to russia and serbia but i dont trust neither slavs i consider them biggest pussies ever
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
@GiorgosGRALANI sorry for the late reply but i am a gheg albanian and i can understand abit of arvantie,,Not much diffrent from arvantie,There is many words in gheg that is closer to arvantie than tosk and they same with tosk,.so i dont belive what you wrote sorry
ktm066 1 year ago
labi arvanites moved hundred years ago to greece from the albanian part of epirus labi you were part of vyzantium years ago your flag your eagle is a warrior emblem of vyzantine empire which georgios kastriotis the vyzantine lord gave it to his albanians soldiers for serving him against turks ,giergi kastriot albanian georgios=giergi labi my name father of kastriot ion kastriot =ioannis kastriotis the lord of despotato of epirus from the big vyzantine family kastriotis
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
greece that you have today exists from hundreds of years????????????????
in what dimension is this because it is not in ours.and no they didnt just move from epirus which was always not greek but albanian.the suliotes moved from north calloed malsia.thivajotet moved from kosova so on and so forth.and kastrioti was a northenern too not only epirote.he was our king also but first we had gjergj arianit golemi.his father in law.when married donika he became also our king.
bylysi 3 years ago
and this with cameria is getting sick you have more than 500,000 your compatriots in greece all they got houses cars money where is the problem i dont know what zervas did exactly to them if he did cruelties without reason i dont know but if you go labi at thesprotia ask any greek there all have a story for the cams who killed them with nazis i dont accuse all cams i dont think all were antigreeks in one nation its not possible all to be haters
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
until cams can get back their houses and are reedemed then there will always be like it is.
bylysi 3 years ago
how is sali berisha??greetings to him from me and his wife liri
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
he is greek.lol
bylysi 3 years ago
labi nice klarino tasos halkias put the beers i put the lambs
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
Nice work bylysi!
Keep it up!
kingbardhuli 3 years ago 2
thanks Bylysi for all information that you are giving us. God bless you.....
elishabe777 3 years ago 6
bravo bylysi je i pa pame.tregoju bythqimave greke se jane fashist dhe hajdute.gjithcka qe krenohen e kane te vjedhur.qe nga mitologjia deri tek historia e vone.arvanitasit po i bejne grek vllehet gjithashtu.jane rac inferiore te ardhur nga egjipti ne tokat tona.mekat qe kemi rene kaq poshte si ne vllehet ashtu dhe nje pjese e shqiptareve po cfare te besh varferia beri te veten.
romanofarsarotul 3 years ago
i dare any greek nationalist or chauvinist or fashist whatever.
if you can prove this video wrong.please be my guest.
bylysi 3 years ago
first of all thx for the translation
I guess I have to learn these scribblings (greek language)LOL!
micalbani 3 years ago 2
Those "scribblings" are the language that we used and still use for thousands of years.
What about your scribblings?
elkagemini 3 years ago
you use the old greek language?/?
wow thats news ...well to the world.
bylysi 3 years ago
The world knew it already. It's not new
ΚΑΤΑΛΑΒΕΣ ΒΛΑΜΜΕΝΟ;
elkagemini 3 years ago
no the world doesnt care to know that actually is not the same language but there is so much diference between old and new greek is considered a different language.
bylysi 3 years ago
Italians today do not speak latin. Does this mean that new italian have nothing to do with latin?
Do you speak ancient or new greek? If not you are not in a possition to talk and judge.
If yes proove it
elkagemini 3 years ago
italy and greece are way two diferent things in structure people and whatever you like to point at.
and ethniclly the new greeks have nothing to do with the old linguisticlly culturally nopthing about ancient greece is portraied my modern greek society.
ideals and such...
can i prove it ??? yes i can.
do i want to??? why waste my breath
bylysi 3 years ago
I know, i speak and i write ancient greek.
And i can proove it too.
But why waste my breath too? it is useless
elkagemini 3 years ago
you can prove my point i know.
you dont have too we know
bylysi 3 years ago
You can understand very well "smart" guy what i mean
elkagemini 3 years ago
yes i do and you ignore what i mean "genious"
bylysi 3 years ago
anytime you want, send me a pm and I can prove you anything you want (especially for the linguistic and cultural connection between ancient and modern Greece). Thank God, I'll just write and won't waste any of my breaths.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Arvaniti!
I dont know how do you feel to turn from one PROUD ALBANIAN, sons of Souliotes to Gaygreek, dark turkish Orthodox gipsies???
You are the only one ALBANIAN people in whole WORLD which deny their ORIGIN!
SHAME on YOU!
ALBANIANS never put the RELIGION over their IDENTITY!
What stays near the SHIT, smells like that!
WAKE up!
KangeShkodrane 3 years ago 6
to kange shkodrane:also i met dark skin albanians also i met albanians orthodox and south shqiptars many of them are orthodox and also uck leader hasim thaci had a dark skin ??where is the point man with dark skin ?also albanians are dark and whites souliotes had greek names markos botsaris kitsos tzavelas labros tzavelas orthodox people ali pasha of tepeleni was albanian and he chased them by death suliotes suffered by ali pasha
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
because ali pasha batled with them means absolutely squat as to their origin.they were arbanites wether you like it or not.
bylysi 3 years ago
this albanian cams wanted their fortunes back from what i ve seen in official reactions and from greek channels that went to them in albania the old albanotsamides want fortunes back that is impossible because gave them to greek refugees from pontos after the convictions of the law court of jiannina
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
and that sounds ok to you???
if it does then you can see where we disagree.i dont care for pontian gypsys before my brothers.
bylysi 3 years ago
illyrians didnt leave written monuments but in albania i know that some temples like epidamnos at vlore albanians and one that albanians call it apollonia ancient temple like the greek ancient temples
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
we have a lot more ancient places than that and no they are not greek.neither of those are either.
bylysi 3 years ago
an imis to friet karin astun kathen azemaintarin
OLHMERAKALHMERA 3 years ago
Hello... epidamnos, apollonia are greek colonies and bouthroto is a greek city.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Thank You Bylis. You are a patriot.
Do ta shkruaj greqisht ta lexoj ai mut greku:
Ti na kanume ma afon o skata elinas ELLADITHS. Aftos lei ine arvanitas ama dhen ine. Ine asfalos. Esi e kane kala pu egrapse zoi to ANASTAS KULURIOTI. Skata elinas to skotosane. To skotosane kai JORGO MARUGA, skotosane ARISTIDH KOLIA ( 1944-2000)
Evharisto -Thanks
Niko Arvaniti
(pendekaltri)
ARVANITES:Have more dignity, don't deny the blood of your forefathers, don't deny your history, culture and language
pendekaltri 3 years ago 4
Bravo more djale!
This means that the old brave Arvanites are not dead! They left behinde them some new branches that are not just more beautifull but stronger.
Wake up brothers!
All Albanians of the world are with you now. We dont want you to be part of Albania but to respect your self there where you live, to speak your own langauge everywhere in the streets in the shops in the local offices and everywhere. We want the little Arvanites to go to school and learn their own langauge & history
NYPD44 3 years ago 5
to pendekaltri:magka exo arvanitiko aima i giagia mou apo arvanitiko xorio einai oi arvanites ellines eimaste imastan kai tha eimaste apo tin periohi tis albanias irthame prin xronia gia auto i glossa einai albanika toskika kai ego tous albanous de tous theoro poly diaforetikous apo emas pelasgiko fylo eiste aplos oi tourkoi sas allaksan ta miala kai sto b pagkosmio pigate enantion mas tespa oloi anthropoi eimaste ola edo menoune kai feugoune
GiorgosGRALANI 3 years ago
ARVANITES:
Have more dignity, don't deny the blood of your forefathers, don't deny your history, culture and language. As you consider yourselves greeks (and greeks are you now but of old albanian origin) why don't you ask the greek government to recognise your rights to preserve this great culture and language of yours, whatever origin it is...look at our brothers in south Italy the Arberesh, they have all the rights for their culture and language !!!
epirotas 3 years ago 8
Arvanites WAKE UP and open your eyes and look around!
What is your language?
And where you come from?
What did Greek government do for you?
OPEN YOUR EYES BROTHERS
NYPD44 3 years ago 7
We are the greek government.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
who is we???
bylysi 3 years ago
The Arvanites.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
you are the king of arvanites?
bylysi 3 years ago
No. Arvanites govern Greece together with other Greeks. We can do anything we want, through the greek political institutions. So blaming the greek government for what it did or didn't to us, would be like blaming ourselves.
P.S.:I'm not fond neither of kings nor of propagandists.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Arvanites WAKE UP and open your eyes and look around!
What is your language?
And where you come from?
What did Greek government do for you?
OPEN YOUR EYES BROTERS
NYPD44 3 years ago 6
I am wondering when Arvanites will wake up and understand that Greeks dont want them to speak Arvanitika!
When are they gonna understand that Greeks wants this culture to end as soon as posible.
They clame that Arvanite is the old Greek language so why dont they open schools so all the Greeks learn their old language so it dont die?
Why dont the Greek government make some programs to protect this language and this community to servive since they are the one that gave Greece the Indipendence?
NYPD44 3 years ago 6
Arvanit wake up and start asking from the state that you fought for to respect you!
Ask for schools in Arvanite language
If the Greek government really appreciate what Arvanites did in Greece then they should allow them to speak their language, and open schools for the little Arvanite kids
Greeks just want that culture to die. They want that language to stop existing. They want those songs to be forgoten
This is not gonna happen as long as in their veins runs still Arvanite blood
NYPD44 3 years ago 5
arvanitet flasin arvanitce more picke pasqyre.edhe ti ellasdiths,ketu arvanitce-shqip te vjeter po flet dhe pastaj thua qe ne kemi qene dhe jemi grek.po shqipen kush jua mesoj,greku?apo ishte shqipja anglishte atehere dhe i hynte ne pune cdokujt!ju ka bere greku budallenj,ju dha toka dhe ju asimiloj duke ju thene qe ju jeni ortodokse,trima qe luftuat per memen greqi.arvanitas,arberesh,arnaut,jane nje ore mut-gjake shqiptari,do apo sdo ti.e tregon gjuha,zakoni.greku gjithmone e ka mallkuar kete
egnatja 3 years ago 3
why you dont ask arvanites what they are, but you suppose and decide what they are? ai tse ka pieperi ka e de thikene. e de neve thomi tse jemi ellina pse ellina ishne tere printete tane. mosh flishni y per neve! gluxa tse flasim ishte gluxa ellhnikh. gka e tsouate tse gia gluxa alvanikh? asthoy thon ata tse tu mbene stetin alvaniko? xaxaxa
elladiths 3 years ago
suppose????
eeehhh
are you in denial or something.
gjaku nek benet uje e ne benet nek pinet.po apo jo??
ti e ke uj ik qi ne byth me greket se gjakun tende e ke ber uj.
bylysi 3 years ago
greket tu kam kir kakie vitra nani e de tu kim komane. ai kixoyni bithetsarete pa dene!
elladiths 3 years ago
ce thua re mut.
ja cte ka bere greku ty edhe popullit jote qe ti i ke tradhetuar.te kane bere mos te dish glujhen tende edhe ti e pranon.
sje si te paret ti jo.
burrat e dyfekut jo qenek e greqis.
bylysi 3 years ago
mut je ti ede populi gka koy je. neve jemi ata tse liroyam gkrekin. juve jeni komane sklavo tourkos amerikanos
elladiths 3 years ago
jo ti jo.ti je kurva e grekit.sje ti te paret tane qe ishin trima.ti nek di fare per ce flet.mendja jote eshte ploit me mut grek jo tru.
grekin e leruan te paret edhe greky sot i ka bere arberoret skllav edhe ti i thua vlla grekit.ja kush je ti.tradhetar i gjakut tende
bylysi 3 years ago
tradhetar je ti tse thouai tse noykoy je grek e de vromeps emeri georgioyt kastriotit me emeri muti skenterbei tse gia emeri turk! goliemut!
elladiths 3 years ago
is this video wrong?
tell me.
come on mr idiot.
bylysi 3 years ago
you don´t reconigse any minority un greece.expecialy what have to do with albanians.not the emigrants,but other that are living ther.or let say the cultur,the tradition.you call evrything greek,and after you declear south albania vorio epirus.albanian respect the greek minority in albania but you?you say only shit about albanians and you are speaking about antigreek agenda?see the reality
egnatja 3 years ago 3
you are speaking about anti greek agenda?you are speaking about things that mus go better?don´t lie about albanians,about arvanites.today they are greek,but the language,arvanitic,is old albanian language.this is fact!see aristidh kolias book,and the greek and other arcives of the state!the language tell o lot of,even that they just spoken this language for so many centurys.don´t lie about arvanites.arvanitic old albanian language.word for word.
egnatja 3 years ago 3
yes but you know what? With the same logic, albanian goverment has anti greek agenta....All balkan countries have ...antiwhatever agenda. Videos like this dont help to move on and make the things better. They help to create more hate. Is this your intention? Or you believe that your country is always a victim of the other "bad" neighbors (Greece, Serbia). I am a greek by the way. Do you consider me as your enemy? Coz i am not.
telistse 3 years ago
how does albanian government have anti greek agenda.if anything it has pro greek against albanians.i mean so far.
this is not about hate but it shows the truth of your past history you try to hide.you want not hate then lets be truthfull.
i do not consider greeks my enemy i consider everyone who is against my people an enemy.you classify as you like
bylysi 3 years ago
teliste, if you cannot see that serbia had an anti-albanian agenda in kosova, i suggest you read Takis Michas, "Unholy Alliance" to help you understand how you were almost completely shielded from the truth about atrocities committed by serbs in croatia, bosnia and kosova, by reactionary forces both in your government and religious institutions (which as you know are often one and the same in greece, a nation that still has not progressed socially to the point of separating church & state).
balkancoolhead 3 years ago 2
i don't consider greece an enemy at all, we have a lot in common. but your nationalist elements and much of the clerical militia are proponents of a total revisionism verging on crimes against humanity for their efforts to erase albanian culture and identity which has played such a significant role in shaping modern greek culture, despite severe discrimination against the albanian language.
yasso arvanita!
balkancoolhead 3 years ago 2
So bylysi...what excactly are you trying to prove with this video?
telistse 3 years ago
how greek government has always had anti-albanian agenda and has tried to assimilate my people.
and i dont need to proove anything things are as they are already
bylysi 3 years ago
and judging by your video yes you are an enemy.not because i made you but you made yourself
bylysi 3 years ago
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death to all albanian emigrants..enough albanian propaganda we ve taken..our revenge will be full of blood and albanian headless bodies
greekchauvinist1 3 years ago
yes yes homo go whack off in a dirty bathroom you fucking geek.
hahah
lame ass bitch
bylysi 3 years ago
me fal se u tregova i paduruar, qenka edhe ne shqip...faleminderit ! Kenge te hateshme !!
epirotas 3 years ago
asgje vlla
bylysi 3 years ago
Eventually those in Greece, at least the Albanians who remained Orthodox adopted a Greek identity. They did so partly they would then be allowed to be married with the indigenous Greeks and partly because integration brought with it a higher level of economic opportunity. The Albanians living in the Greek islands adjusted even more quickly, since then they were exposed to the influence of maritime travel and trade.
Andre Gerolomytos - The Balkan Wars
epirotas 3 years ago 2
..cont..As a result, many of them (albanians) played a significant role in the Greek war of Liberation and achieved leadership positions with the post-revolutionary governments. Of course Albanians and Greeks also fought on behalf of the sultans....A.Gerlymatos The Balkan Wars
epirotas 3 years ago
ai eshte tradhetare vlla nuk eshte populli yne.per tere arberoret tradhetor mbetet.
bylysi 3 years ago