Who fired first. You notice that none of the windows in the atf's vehicles are breaking, nor is their any dirt being kicked up near the atf, while they are firing
A free people ought to not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficent arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from anyone who might abuse them, which would include their own government- George Washington.
May all the Davidians who died go to heaven, may all those who lived find peace, and may those government agents/leaders responsible burn in Hell for all eternity to suffer for those innocent children
We will never know the truth, no one even knows who fired first? Most people who have been in a firefight, always state that confusion reigns. The ATF story is obviously a lie, if they had been ambushed, there would have Agents lying everywhere. There weren't! Secondly the ATF backed off because they were low on ammo and they were starting to get "chewed up". The ATF murdered the davidians, it as simple as that.
This was basically a church.And as Lincoln did to the South-locking up the families inside chruches and setting them on fire,that is exactly what the DC Feds did here.This was a war on Christians by DC plain and simple-they were not guilty of any crime and they were living their lives not bothering anyone on PRIVATE LAND.To watch them being slaughtered, and hauled away in cuffs, is a sin and crime by evil devils- NO Fed has any juristiction or authority in any state or outside the DC borders !
they are a bunch of religous fanatic's but each to their own, they should of been shown the respect of innocent til proven guilty by court of law. That did not happen here - the ATF was the judge, jury and executor. I am not religous by any means and an athiest but i sympathise with the people in the compound, Each to their own.
I've noticed with every documentary on the Waco Siege that it's either on one extreme or the other. It's either the ATF did a gestapo-like raid on a compound of innocent christians and decided to wipe them out.
OR
The ATF was going to detain a fanatical pedophile but were ambushed by his heavily armed, brainwashed minions who would rather burn to death along side him than surrender.
-I have a feeling that the truth is somewhere in between.
@Jzubbs301 I see your point, but the truth is that can be seen is that the ATF was in the wrong by the way they went about things. even the sheriff had stated that Koresh was in the public a lot. So if the charge was pedophilia he could have been arrested anytime before. Pedophilia isn't what the ATF is supposed to be going after so their involvement is questionable. Not saying that he was perfect because I'm sure he wasn't but the government was deff full of crap in their answers
@Jzubbs301 Yes, the truth in such cases is always the easiest explanation. The man was a narcissistic leader, who had told his followers that he is their only salvation and was ready to sacrifice them for his own "immortality". As for FBI and ATF, their activities can simply be explained as incompetence. They screwed up. They wanted to solve the problem the fast way, but it ended in disaster. Nobody wanted to burn children and women
children are always the most affected and deepest hurt by the pitiful squabbles of adults and their wars. it's a mark of shame and disgrace on our species for being so stupid and violent with so much intelligence and potential.
there is no question that the Branch Davidians were smart but they were brainwashed as well. Anybody that claims to be a Messiah has not gotten all his marbles. Jim Jones and others eventually destroyed them selves and the B/D's might have done it too. Did the ATF ever screw up their abilities tokeep respect for being a top notch org.
Live free from Zionism in our home lands. Step out side of THERE laws and start killing them NOW where ever you may find them in our home lands. THEY (AND ALL ALIKE) MUST DIE!!! Live free from THERE laws and start killing these PIGS!! THEY ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE EVERDAY. EYE FOR AN EYE!! DEATH TO THEM ALL NOW, AND THOSE ALIKE IS THE ONLY WAY, IT IS THE ONLY TRUE ANSWER!! 14WORDS!!
@coverchenko Only the Protestant communities seem affected by these intense attacks, like also the taking of the 500 Mormon children, even breastfeeding infants. The flag of the Davidians is the Jewish star on blue (star of David), and 7th day is critical of RCC. The Mormons, by contrast, pray for jews after death and made a controversy over it. The Hoetoff person was actually from Europe after WWII, they left that out.
No one discusses the strange history of the B.Davidians, (started by a very mysterious figure after WWII that received the first land grant outside Israel not to a jew), and the connection to the 7th Day Adventists and their radical critique of the RCC. Like the Mormons (where 500 children were taken in Texas) some groups seem targeted, some not. Why? Why these Protestants?
I got hit by CS gas in the 70s during military training. It stings your face really bad immediately. Really Really Bad. It targets any exposed skin. They really wanted to put these people in pain.
God this is horrific, way to go ATF & Justice dep't leaders, using your men as cannon fodder and slaughtering the BDs to prove a point.
On that 1st day, when the BDs sent the ATF into retreat, that has to be the 1st time that a group defeated a federal agency in a domestic battle since the Indians.
This could EASILY happen today, the media control & wickedness of the elite are even greater. Today you would have a drone missile strike thru your window and NATO troops on the ground.
The govt. "techniques" such as loud music, bright lights all night, etc. are the real psychotic actions. Just like how they used "enhanced" interrogation on terrorists. It's mentally ill behavior.
@subterranean75 And are you telling me that the people inside can just fire at the ATF when they feel like it and there not suppose to fire back? Yeah ok. If David had of just came out then all those people would still be alive today. And David himself said in the video If you wanna come here with guns I'll meet you at the door and somebody is gonna get hurt. Well he was on point with that comment he went to the front door and he got hurt.
@FireitupBedford You realize the government fired first? If they just wanted koresh why didn't they go there when he invited them weeks before the incident?
Doesn't it seem awful funny that at the 10:04 mark she says my dads name is Perry Jones, he was an unarmed man and uh you guys just shot through the door and killed him. Thanks alot. She doesn't seem all that upset about it. her dad was just killed but yet there's not one tear in her eyes. Her voice isn't shakey either that should tell you people something...
@subterranean75 No that's just alittle bit of it in a long list of F ups on BOTH sides. They had plenty of chances to come out of there but refused. In case you forgot we do have laws. The blame for all those deaths lies on David Koresh. The govt. didn't want those people in there. All they wanted was Koresh. And Koresh just thumb his nose at them all. He was gonna show them he was gonna do whatever he wanted to when he wanted to do it and it just don't work that way. The blame is all David...
THE GOVERNMENT MURDERED THEM ALL!!! One day the wrath of the people will nuke this country.Death to the serpents that are in power.Death to ,you all.You murders of women and children.Evil shits and nothing happened to them.Tim McVeigh should not have killed the children but only the adults.David should have killed every ATF out there that day.They could have and I would have laughed at them.Devil worshipers is all they are.David should have massacred them all.ATF Ran away like cowereds
@SayNoToBrainWashing exactly what I was thinking... when those men and women are in their 60's reflecting on their life How Will They Feel - I should hope it eats at their hearts
It's wonderful to know that their are people about who are willing to investigate and then make make known to the world that something unbelieveable has taken place. One of the victims was a young girl who lived with her family in the same road as my family'shere in London U.K. Her family were quiet and unassuming, good neighbours. As one of the posters said if this is what they do to their own what on earth is happening overseas.Best wishes to you all and thanks to the poster. Peace
Cold blooded murder (to be brutally honest it was a massacre) It's probably the most effective way of dealing with dissent. Thanks for posting, I feel that now it's very important for peace-loving and idealistic people to organise.Peace
The whole of the USA is now a Waco compound. Get ready ppl' they mean to take your weapons anyway' anyhow' they can! You have been segregated, isolated, brainwashed, & now your are being watched like your trapped animals. Your being poisoned, & your mental stability is being destroyed daily as you watch your pathetic TV, your children are being sexualized by TV, & molested! You are being striped of your dignity, your wealth & your health. Go back to sleep! You'll get the Government you deserve..
Apparently DC does not acknowledge SELF-DEFENCE ! The Davidians had every right to defend themselves from this out and out ILLEGAL Federal attack. Several survivors have stated that no one inside the compound started any fires, and no one could come out without being shot. Just what did any of these innocent people do to be arrested or attacked ? They lived their lives and minded their own business. The DC dictatorship was clearly the terrorists here, as well as in Ruby Ridge. DC =murderers
This movie is such a sham covering the illegal actions of the criminal government, and blamed it on David. ATF SHOT THE PEOPLE LEAVING OUT THE BACK WITH THE CHILDREN.
Look to Jamie Gorelick, Kristine Marcy, and the pedophile rings operated by the US GOV.INC. Defend the people and freedom NOT the actions of a blood thirsty criminal government and their organizations. Government LIES, media LIES, representatives LIE. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU.
As I recall,the ATF supervisors who planned this raid went ahead despite the fact that the raid was no longer a secret.They wanted to become heroes and they got their own men and Davidians killed.
Thank God you put this up. This is a very important documentary to understand how the United States Government completely mishandled, manipulated, and propagandized the WACO incident. It sheds to light how they created a fake threat in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN and how powerfully they manipulated the mass social conscious. Finally, this documentary is important to show people that they need to be more critical of their government, do their own research, talk, get involved, and make social changes.
MASS MURDER!! SO DAM WRONG TO DO THIS TO ANYBODY. The beginning of tyranny right in you're face.This is a OUTRAGE! ! to the American people.This country has lost it's direction so bad it makes my stomach turn and turn.History it just keeps repeating . SICK!!
And Hillary Clinton has the audacity to criticize the Syrian government. What a shame after what she and her husband have done to these poor people.
varoong 3 days ago
...la famosa democrazia americana in versione casalinga.....
MrChanakkale 1 week ago
Q: What is the difference between and Adolf Hitler/Gestapo and Janet Reno/FBI?
A: Not much
johnnyjrotten59 1 week ago
at about the 20:00 mark
They're talking about these people like they expect the kids to be completely devoid of any intellectual properties just because of their religion.
What the hell?!
DanTheVikingr 1 week ago
Who fired first. You notice that none of the windows in the atf's vehicles are breaking, nor is their any dirt being kicked up near the atf, while they are firing
gunnut1405 1 week ago
A free people ought to not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficent arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from anyone who might abuse them, which would include their own government- George Washington.
May all the Davidians who died go to heaven, may all those who lived find peace, and may those government agents/leaders responsible burn in Hell for all eternity to suffer for those innocent children
gunnut1405 1 week ago
We will never know the truth, no one even knows who fired first? Most people who have been in a firefight, always state that confusion reigns. The ATF story is obviously a lie, if they had been ambushed, there would have Agents lying everywhere. There weren't! Secondly the ATF backed off because they were low on ammo and they were starting to get "chewed up". The ATF murdered the davidians, it as simple as that.
unclefixer 1 week ago
This was basically a church.And as Lincoln did to the South-locking up the families inside chruches and setting them on fire,that is exactly what the DC Feds did here.This was a war on Christians by DC plain and simple-they were not guilty of any crime and they were living their lives not bothering anyone on PRIVATE LAND.To watch them being slaughtered, and hauled away in cuffs, is a sin and crime by evil devils- NO Fed has any juristiction or authority in any state or outside the DC borders !
CSAcitizen 1 week ago
like all civilizations,destroyed by barbarians.....the day america died....sad
123449808 1 week ago
they are a bunch of religous fanatic's but each to their own, they should of been shown the respect of innocent til proven guilty by court of law. That did not happen here - the ATF was the judge, jury and executor. I am not religous by any means and an athiest but i sympathise with the people in the compound, Each to their own.
NzMaze 1 week ago
did any atf get sent to prison or lost their jobs and pension?
NzMaze 1 week ago
I've noticed with every documentary on the Waco Siege that it's either on one extreme or the other. It's either the ATF did a gestapo-like raid on a compound of innocent christians and decided to wipe them out.
OR
The ATF was going to detain a fanatical pedophile but were ambushed by his heavily armed, brainwashed minions who would rather burn to death along side him than surrender.
-I have a feeling that the truth is somewhere in between.
Jzubbs301 1 month ago
@Jzubbs301 I see your point, but the truth is that can be seen is that the ATF was in the wrong by the way they went about things. even the sheriff had stated that Koresh was in the public a lot. So if the charge was pedophilia he could have been arrested anytime before. Pedophilia isn't what the ATF is supposed to be going after so their involvement is questionable. Not saying that he was perfect because I'm sure he wasn't but the government was deff full of crap in their answers
garywingrove 1 month ago
@Jzubbs301 Yes, the truth in such cases is always the easiest explanation. The man was a narcissistic leader, who had told his followers that he is their only salvation and was ready to sacrifice them for his own "immortality". As for FBI and ATF, their activities can simply be explained as incompetence. They screwed up. They wanted to solve the problem the fast way, but it ended in disaster. Nobody wanted to burn children and women
Lachausis 4 weeks ago
The guy at the beginning sounds like Microsoft Sam.
SpahnRanch1969 1 month ago
children are always the most affected and deepest hurt by the pitiful squabbles of adults and their wars. it's a mark of shame and disgrace on our species for being so stupid and violent with so much intelligence and potential.
PlasticBeach666 1 month ago 3
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PlasticBeach666 1 month ago
ever seen red state?
GoodFriendsForever 1 month ago
there is no question that the Branch Davidians were smart but they were brainwashed as well. Anybody that claims to be a Messiah has not gotten all his marbles. Jim Jones and others eventually destroyed them selves and the B/D's might have done it too. Did the ATF ever screw up their abilities tokeep respect for being a top notch org.
truthtone58 1 month ago
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Live free from Zionism in our home lands. Step out side of THERE laws and start killing them NOW where ever you may find them in our home lands. THEY (AND ALL ALIKE) MUST DIE!!! Live free from THERE laws and start killing these PIGS!! THEY ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE EVERDAY. EYE FOR AN EYE!! DEATH TO THEM ALL NOW, AND THOSE ALIKE IS THE ONLY WAY, IT IS THE ONLY TRUE ANSWER!! 14WORDS!!
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dooalittledippsy 2 months ago
Tanks peolpe, tanks! that ill do it!
ThePablos2009 2 months ago
If there is a hell, I hope these ATF Illegal acting assholes burn in it, each and every one of them.
bangdaddy6913 2 months ago
using non lethal gas. for what? its not an assault. i can tell you what it is. its torture, and terrorism
CheaIncx 2 months ago
@coverchenko Only the Protestant communities seem affected by these intense attacks, like also the taking of the 500 Mormon children, even breastfeeding infants. The flag of the Davidians is the Jewish star on blue (star of David), and 7th day is critical of RCC. The Mormons, by contrast, pray for jews after death and made a controversy over it. The Hoetoff person was actually from Europe after WWII, they left that out.
westchesterny 2 months ago
No one discusses the strange history of the B.Davidians, (started by a very mysterious figure after WWII that received the first land grant outside Israel not to a jew), and the connection to the 7th Day Adventists and their radical critique of the RCC. Like the Mormons (where 500 children were taken in Texas) some groups seem targeted, some not. Why? Why these Protestants?
westchesterny 2 months ago
this was a dry run for the comming attempt to impose a martial law,dictatorship in america,wake up before its too late
pdxpaul1 2 months ago
doesn't it break your heart when that little girl asks for ice cream?
the86thcreator 2 months ago
I got hit by CS gas in the 70s during military training. It stings your face really bad immediately. Really Really Bad. It targets any exposed skin. They really wanted to put these people in pain.
MindMyLost 2 months ago
The Feds in America are out of control again. They just gave 3000 assault rifles to Mexican Druglords intentionally.
MindMyLost 2 months ago
whenever evidence is "missing" that shouldnt be ie.. waco/pentagon...the government is guilty
Vendola3 3 months ago
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innocent men women and children were murdered
spoof1 3 months ago
I;m glad I don't live in the USA
Shellacopter 3 months ago
@Shellacopter I am sorry you feel that way :( Iove America dearly and it truly is a wonderful place when everything works how it is supposed to.
StockyAmerican 3 months ago
they knew there were kids in there and they didn't care.
spoof1 3 months ago
@28.51...Disgusting!! You can tell the negotiator even knew what he was saying was out of order!
offwiththefairies77 3 months ago
God this is horrific, way to go ATF & Justice dep't leaders, using your men as cannon fodder and slaughtering the BDs to prove a point.
On that 1st day, when the BDs sent the ATF into retreat, that has to be the 1st time that a group defeated a federal agency in a domestic battle since the Indians.
This could EASILY happen today, the media control & wickedness of the elite are even greater. Today you would have a drone missile strike thru your window and NATO troops on the ground.
Mopar21277 4 months ago
The govt. "techniques" such as loud music, bright lights all night, etc. are the real psychotic actions. Just like how they used "enhanced" interrogation on terrorists. It's mentally ill behavior.
subterranean75 4 months ago
@subterranean75 And are you telling me that the people inside can just fire at the ATF when they feel like it and there not suppose to fire back? Yeah ok. If David had of just came out then all those people would still be alive today. And David himself said in the video If you wanna come here with guns I'll meet you at the door and somebody is gonna get hurt. Well he was on point with that comment he went to the front door and he got hurt.
FireitupBedford 4 months ago
@FireitupBedford You realize the government fired first? If they just wanted koresh why didn't they go there when he invited them weeks before the incident?
subterranean75 4 months ago
Doesn't it seem awful funny that at the 10:04 mark she says my dads name is Perry Jones, he was an unarmed man and uh you guys just shot through the door and killed him. Thanks alot. She doesn't seem all that upset about it. her dad was just killed but yet there's not one tear in her eyes. Her voice isn't shakey either that should tell you people something...
FireitupBedford 4 months ago
@FireitupBedford So that little detail forces you to dismiss all the overwhelming evidence the government murdered them?
subterranean75 4 months ago
@subterranean75 No that's just alittle bit of it in a long list of F ups on BOTH sides. They had plenty of chances to come out of there but refused. In case you forgot we do have laws. The blame for all those deaths lies on David Koresh. The govt. didn't want those people in there. All they wanted was Koresh. And Koresh just thumb his nose at them all. He was gonna show them he was gonna do whatever he wanted to when he wanted to do it and it just don't work that way. The blame is all David...
FireitupBedford 4 months ago
JFK, RKF MLK, Melcom X, WACO ? all government approved Killing's.For Small government government Reps to Move up the Rank's.
7071t6 4 months ago
im moving to Canada
josecampos7070 5 months ago
0.01 fuck em
jsystevo007 6 months ago
THE GOVERNMENT MURDERED THEM ALL!!! One day the wrath of the people will nuke this country.Death to the serpents that are in power.Death to ,you all.You murders of women and children.Evil shits and nothing happened to them.Tim McVeigh should not have killed the children but only the adults.David should have killed every ATF out there that day.They could have and I would have laughed at them.Devil worshipers is all they are.David should have massacred them all.ATF Ran away like cowereds
JohnKillrory 6 months ago
This is so sad but god vs the devil
villellatm 7 months ago
death is not good for any side!! The government had those agents and 74 people killed!! American government are Terrorist!
Illuminati33degree 7 months ago
how can these people sleep ?
SayNoToBrainWashing 8 months ago
@SayNoToBrainWashing exactly what I was thinking... when those men and women are in their 60's reflecting on their life How Will They Feel - I should hope it eats at their hearts
MsSarahJ56 7 months ago
It's wonderful to know that their are people about who are willing to investigate and then make make known to the world that something unbelieveable has taken place. One of the victims was a young girl who lived with her family in the same road as my family'shere in London U.K. Her family were quiet and unassuming, good neighbours. As one of the posters said if this is what they do to their own what on earth is happening overseas.Best wishes to you all and thanks to the poster. Peace
wobbly585 8 months ago
This is genocide! Imagine the massive police powers granted at the Federal level.
Of all the nations on earth, America came the closest to being a truly free society--sadly, we didn't quite make it there.
katnap72 9 months ago
9/11 ring a bell
jct3636 9 months ago
after 47:35 a burning person run on the roof :(((
lychass 9 months ago
Cold blooded murder (to be brutally honest it was a massacre) It's probably the most effective way of dealing with dissent. Thanks for posting, I feel that now it's very important for peace-loving and idealistic people to organise.Peace
wobbly585 9 months ago
The whole of the USA is now a Waco compound. Get ready ppl' they mean to take your weapons anyway' anyhow' they can! You have been segregated, isolated, brainwashed, & now your are being watched like your trapped animals. Your being poisoned, & your mental stability is being destroyed daily as you watch your pathetic TV, your children are being sexualized by TV, & molested! You are being striped of your dignity, your wealth & your health. Go back to sleep! You'll get the Government you deserve..
Naketaa 9 months ago 2
Apparently DC does not acknowledge SELF-DEFENCE ! The Davidians had every right to defend themselves from this out and out ILLEGAL Federal attack. Several survivors have stated that no one inside the compound started any fires, and no one could come out without being shot. Just what did any of these innocent people do to be arrested or attacked ? They lived their lives and minded their own business. The DC dictatorship was clearly the terrorists here, as well as in Ruby Ridge. DC =murderers
CSAcitizen 9 months ago 23
@CSAcitizen long live sacred america
shortbarrelpete24 1 month ago
@shortbarrelpete24 Sacred america? LOL, you are just as indoctrinated as a sheep.
Check out Google Earth, the planet is round, not shaped like america.
God bless the earth, and all the countries on it.
Stianfred 1 month ago
@Stianfred My country is also sacred for me, you have problems with that? He didn't say America is whole world, you left-wing nut!
Lachausis 4 weeks ago
STOP THE EVIL AND VOTE FOR RON PAUL
KellAdk76 1 week ago
If they can do it to their own people, no wonder they can do it to the Iraqis and all over the world. Seriously cruel.
abbylatif 10 months ago 17
@abbylatif "They" don't look at "us" as one of "their own." That's the underlying issue that everyone seems to loose sight of.
f1471in3r 3 months ago
Thugs with badges , thats all they are.
y0utUBeH8r 10 months ago
This movie is such a sham covering the illegal actions of the criminal government, and blamed it on David. ATF SHOT THE PEOPLE LEAVING OUT THE BACK WITH THE CHILDREN.
Look to Jamie Gorelick, Kristine Marcy, and the pedophile rings operated by the US GOV.INC. Defend the people and freedom NOT the actions of a blood thirsty criminal government and their organizations. Government LIES, media LIES, representatives LIE. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU.
athenaraven1 10 months ago
As I recall,the ATF supervisors who planned this raid went ahead despite the fact that the raid was no longer a secret.They wanted to become heroes and they got their own men and Davidians killed.
branmakmorn 10 months ago
34:22 - is he referring to the ATF or the Davidians? I honestly can't tell if he's defending the Rangers, or the Davidians.
DownWithThe4eleven 10 months ago
When CS gas is ignited, it makes a syinide gas.
alielbaryeshua 10 months ago
The FBI polygraphers will clean-up this mess.
Google "Quadri-Track ZCT"
WTCnucleardemolition 10 months ago
Thanks, we shall never forget this day.
Michaelbenoit7 10 months ago
Thank God you put this up. This is a very important documentary to understand how the United States Government completely mishandled, manipulated, and propagandized the WACO incident. It sheds to light how they created a fake threat in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN and how powerfully they manipulated the mass social conscious. Finally, this documentary is important to show people that they need to be more critical of their government, do their own research, talk, get involved, and make social changes.
johnnyklever 1 year ago 2
Yea & the American people keep saluting the flag & acting like we are the most morally correct country in the world that can do no wrong.
Vipguy2003 1 year ago
MASS MURDER!! SO DAM WRONG TO DO THIS TO ANYBODY. The beginning of tyranny right in you're face.This is a OUTRAGE! ! to the American people.This country has lost it's direction so bad it makes my stomach turn and turn.History it just keeps repeating . SICK!!
possecomitatus1 1 year ago