@aspidur intimidation factor...they were preparing to use more power and fight more seriously so they released...plus no espada 4 and up can release in los noches so why not do it in fake karakura town when you get the chance lol?
@iRasmusi haha funny cos its true....and i like how when aizen, gin and tousen get engulfed by yammas flaming forest barragan and hallibel try to keep a cool face while starrk is the only one with a reaction
@neidurart, segunda etapa is an ability achieved only by Ulquiorra Cifer, he should be the top if you refer Espada by efficiency. Im not an arguing person, but the cero espada, Yammy Riyalgo is more of a random arrancar, he is only as strong as the power he bides, like when he says he's been "pigging out. " That's why he is able to change his rank. Espada 9: Aaroniero has a similar ability, whatever he eats, it stays, but forever. What if he consumed some of the Espada, then would be #1 or #2.
@1onskates "segunda etapa is an ability achieved... he should be the top", the problem with that assumption is an arrancar doesn't achieve anything new through ressurreccion. the concept of ressurreccion is to bring back true form and power that an arrancar sealed away. unlike kai, ressurreccion is given. it's just his ressurreccion being divided into 2 stages.
no ichigo in HM and Fake KT is stronger than in SS also Kenpachi and very other captains became very stronger! Mayuri Kenpachi Byakuya Hitsugaya... Ichigo wasnt the one to envolve!
@BattlesBleach ulquiorra got nice regeneration ability but he also said other espada traded that for power so which mean halibel has - on regeneration but + on power
her array of water attacks are much more accurate and effective than anything grimmjow and ulquiorra have.
but all of that is irrelevant, because you're supposed to disprove her rank not the other way around. i don't have to prove anything, because i'm not the one who disagrees with their rankings.
@BattlesBleach none of the captain becomes stronger. ichigo was the who slipped down on the power scale. you're just talking out of your ass. you don't even understand the concept of "vizard".
people stop this pointless argues about who is or not a vasto lorde. the case is unresolved untill kubo will clearly say who was and what is a vasto lorde ;]
yammy and wonderweiss are modded arrancars used by the hogyoku's full power. Starrk is probably the only vasto lordes, because he was a humanoid before he became an arrancar. 9 was the only menos grande, 8-5 were definitely adjuchas. 1-4 were either vasto lordes or adjuchas, but Starrk was a humanoid before Aizen modded him.
My opinion is that the vasto lords are the ones that Aizen didn't evolve/create. Like Starrk. Aizen merely gave him a home and told Starrk/Lilynette to come with him, whereas he evolved Grimmjow and created Wonderweisse.
@Turdyfartysmell your theory sounds reasonable. yes, stark was already human-like when aizen found him. also, stark's power was already so strong before any modification (by aizen), if any. while guys grimmjow was beast-like until aizen modified him. stark has the highest chance of being a VL. same goes for barragan, don't know about halibel and ulquiorra they didn't have a flashback.
@Shiratsui stark is still the most powerful, in my opinion. his wolves are immune to any attack the captains threw at them, so theoretically they could survive long enough to get close to barragan and blow up on him.
@neiduart I agree with you as well. I'm sure Starrk's sonido is faster than Barragans as well, and he's very smart so he could figure out how to kill him. You never know this whole thing has been very inconsistant.
@yogurtman321 most of what people call "inconsistent" are explainable if you look deeper into them. only case i can't explain is someone who's pathetic like nnoitra is a #5. beside a thicker hierro, he has nothing that could be called "advantage" over zommari or grimmjow.
@neiduart: yeah maybe but the truth is that kubo made barragan arrogant one so we didn't see him fight with everything he had. besides none of the captains fighting starrk had the ability like respira ;]
@szewczyk1000 well the only thing stark has that i see would be effective against barragan is his wolves because they're immune to counterattack. that's why he's a #1 and barragan is a #2. barragan is very full of himself, i don't think would he would take 2nd place if he's better than stark.
@neiduart: barragan was second only because kyouka suigetsu and because aizen said so. would you disobey someone who can kill you? it's true that starrk wolves are really strong but respira is ultimate attack against everything and it was clearly shown in manga ;]. barragan won't kneel before any espada ;]
@szewczyk1000 no doubt that barragan's ability is an ultimate attack, but since stark is 1 rank above him makes me think the wolves are immune to it or at least they will last long enough to explode on his face.
beside stark's wolves, i don't see any other espada's ability would be able to damage barragan, thus why he's above all other espada except for stark.
I'd say Stark has more spirit energy, and I bet Barragan's Respira works like a kido attack; if so then Stark and Yammy would be able to use their energy to simply blow the attack away.
@betterthanL vasto lorde MOST probaly the only one is ulquiorra since he has the reiatsu EQUAL to an ocean and is several times stronger than VAIZARD ichigo (note: vaizard ichigo is above captain level) and ulquiorra said there are 3 guys stronger than him JUST to CRUSH ichigo's HOPES of winning this battle because in fact there were 4 guys stronger than him... Ulquiorra in segunda etapa is like at the level of yamamoto!
@neiduart: well I don't trust kubo's rankings because later in manga everything looks different ;]. as for me barragan kneels only before some of the strongest captains and that's all. anyway it was nice conversation despite having different opinions :-)
@szewczyk1000 well not trying to say who's right and who's wrong but stark's rank is totally justified if the wolves are in fact immune to barragan's abilitiy or at least they'll last long enough to explode at a close enough range to kill barragan. can't say that about other espada's abilities right? none but stark's.
just curious, what don't you trust about kubo's rankings? give some interesting examples.
@neiduart: Can't say that about other espada? And what about yammi? According to the rank he's 0 and should be stronger than stark but you'll never convince me that he can beat barragan... I believe barragan was 2 only because aizen wanted him to be not so confident about his powers.
@szewczyk1000 exactly, all yammy does is growing bigger. he has shown anything that could be considered better than the top 4 espada. barran can ride on his back and rot him to death :). halibel can still him with her water attacks and stark can kill him with ceros or the wolves or energy swords. ulquiorra's lance would definitely punch a hole in yammy.
the way i see it that it's hard enough for barragan to work under aizen let alone take 2nd place in his army. stark's wolves all the way :)
@szewczyk1000 i said all top 4 can defeat yammy, not just barragan. only ability that i see barragan has over stark is respira and i see stark's wolves can counter that. see how hacchi beat barragan? just replace his kido seal with stark's wolves and you'll get 1 dead barragan. so yeah imo stark's rank is still totally justified.
@szewczyk1000 gillian's cero is pretty massive too, nothing special. so far yammy is all bark and no bite. i'll wait and see how well he'll do against byakuya and kenpachi before placing him about any of the top 4 espada.
ok, what else do other espada have that could counter barragan's respira except for stark's wolves. so yeah you can't say that about other espada's abilities.
@neiduart C'mon don't compare gillian cero to released yammi cero. It's obvious that yammis cero is a lot lot stronger ;-). Top 4 beating yammi? Maybe but not necesary. I'll believe that starrk was really the strongest when kubo will officialy confirm that. Now barragan is the strogest to me.
@szewczyk1000 not saying it's equal to gillian's cero. just saying size doesn't matter in bleach. it's actually the smaller they get the stronger they are: gillian (giant) --> adjuchas (huge) ---> vasto lorde (humanoid size). like i said before until i see more of yammy, he's the pretty weak compare to the top 4.
@szewczyk1000 none of the cero from any espada looks weak. not why yammy is special all of the sudden, has he done any real damage to anyone so far? not that i remember.
@neiduart: About rankings: I meant those battle statistics of captains which are now useless and everything looks different and of course espada ranks( ulquiorra segunda etapa looks way stronger than harribels release and this thing with barragan and stark we're discussing and also yammis change of number when he releases). Kubo muddled everything too much.
@szewczyk1000 well captains' stats left a few elements out like zanpakutou, shunpo, and spiritual power. stats were meant for us to get an idea how skillful each captain is.
only reason ulquiorra looks strong because he defeated ichigo, who is a 2 tricks pony (getsuga tenshou + speed). hitsugaya would die pretty quickly too if he didn't have a bag of tricks and abilities. not to mention top 3 espada are fighting outside of hueco mundo, no power boost. everything is still coherence.
@neiduart: No not everything. Think about byakuya vs ichigo. Ichigo won, they were almost equal. Now we all know ichigo would end with byakuya quickly. And in hueco mundo you can see that this new hyped ichigo who's stronger than byakuya can only hurt yammi and weaker byakuya can cut his leg off... I don't see any sense in this O_o
@szewczyk1000 ichigo caught byakuya by surprise because of his increased speed, not that ichigo was as strong as byakuya. ichigo was greatly underestimated by byakuya. not to mention no high level kido spells used. ichigo failed to inflict a serious wound on yammy because ichigo just came out of a hell of a fight with ulquiorra so he wasn't anywhere near full power. everything is explainable if you look at it closely enough.
@neiduart It wasn't only speed. Ichigo could parry byakuyas, sword their strenght was equal. Also ichigos reiatsu was big enough to be campared with byakuyas and other captains reiatsu(ukitake said ichigos reiatsu is clearly on captains level and ichigo could withstand byakuyas soul pressure). Ichigo was simply faster but not weaker.
@szewczyk1000 it was just speed, sudden changed in speed surprised byakuya. he already started to fail to keep up with byakuya soon after they enter senkei, swordsmanship i'll give it to byakuya. is he faster than byakuya? can't really tell, because byakuya was stationary. i mean byakuya keeps up with fastest sonido. skill-wise byakuya is still way ahead of ichigo, that applies to every captain in SS (except for kenpachi). none of the captains is a 1-2 tricks pony.
@neiduart Yes it was the matter of speed because ichigo was simply faster. But their strength was the same. Ichigo started to fail because he was soul reaper for a short time and he didn't get used to this. You really think after all those later manga chapters that zommari sonido was the fastest? I don't.
@szewczyk1000 ichigo wasn't faster, he caught a stationary byakuya off guard. the guy didn't expect him to achieve bankai let alone the increased from that bankai. he had no problem with ichigo at the beginning of senkei. after exchanging a few blows that's when ichigo's body started to slow down. electric shock from hado 4 helps paralyze him.
later chapters don't disprove that he has the fastest sonido either. how many espada can create a solid image of himself with sonido? none but zommari.
@neiduart Besides we've never seen byakuya using high level hado so we don't know if he can cast any. True-ichigo wasn't at his full power when he attacked yammi but it doesn't change the fact byakuya shouldn't be able to fight with yammi like he is doing.
@neiduart Yes but i'm not talking about bakudo but about hado. Sry i didn't get the last sentence. Ichigo>byakuya nonexistence? Yes sir it's true and clearly shown in manga ;-). Sry this is my last comment, I simply grew tired of answering I'm a lazy type person :-P. It was nice to talk wth you :-)
@szewczyk1000 bakudo = hado = kido. doesn't matter. yes it's nonexistence. give me a page of the manga where it states ichigo > byakuya. he caught byakuya off guard once. i mean ichigo did that to ulquiorra and grimmjow too but the hierro prevents ichigo from doing any real damage. if being surprised by ichigo means ichigo > then he's > everyone he has had a fight with.
"i don't get why* are you comparing him to byakuya" since ichigo > bya is nonexistence: that's the last sentence.
@neiduart the whole fight clearly shown that they were equal ichigo just was not used to his new powers. if that's not convincing then: ichigo beat grimmjow 6th espada and byakuya defeated zommari the 7th they were both hurt a lot after the fights. If byakuya is a lot stronger than ichigo as you say then should he defeat zommari without this big effort? Also his sonido isn't the fastest for sure, barragans time manipulation would slow his down and the rest of top 4 is also a lot faster
@szewczyk1000 byakuya did beat 7th without much effort. wounds on byakuya were self inflicted. technically 7th failed to inflict any injury on byakuya. of course barragan would negate anyone's speed, speed is meaningless against barragan. but nothing disprove zommari's fastest sonido claim. top 4 look fast, but that doesn't mean they're faster. again the guy was fast enough to create solid clones of himself.
@neiduart: yes 7th failed to inflict any injury because his powers were kido type he didn't have any weapon to inflct any cut after the release. still if byakuya was that stronger than ichigo his fight with zommari would be simply faster. no disscuss about this
@szewczyk1000 if byakuya went bankai instantly, like ichigo & toshiro against their opponents, the fight would end in seconds. so there you have it, it would be "simply faster".
none of my arguments is opinion based, i stated exactly how it happened. like how you said barragan is the strongest until kubo confirms stark is the strongest. you got that backward, stark is the primera, that's pretty much a confirmation that he's the strongest. no offense of course.
@szewczyk1000 answering? i haven't asked you anything that i don't have the answer for. i'm merely backing up my arguments with proofs and a little insight. but yeah it's been nice talking to you. at least none of us have lost our cool yet.
@neiduart heh ok last one for sure. by answering i meant responding to your comments, i thought it was obvious. proofs? there are no proofs just different points of view and different interpretations butyeah i'm glad too that it was a polite
@neiduart: Ok I agree with battle stats - true the're just to tell us about how skilled each captain is but this espada ranks matter is still not resolved to me :-).
@szewczyk1000 most people come up with their own espada rankings because of certain "badass" moment some espada has with certain character. like everyone thinks ulquiorra is the strongest just because he pawns 2 tricks pony ichigo (badass moment). while failing to see the captains and the vizards have to throw numerous of tricks and abilities to barely stop the top 3. by feats top 3 beat ulquiorra hands down. and yammy at the moment is no where near comparable.
@lilsm555 he can throw it as long as he still has energy/power, yes. but he can only throw it 1 at a time. which is pretty much useless against barragan's respira, starrk's thousand ceros + wolves and halibel's cascada.
lanza looks painful "if" it hits. the keyword is "if", don't see it will hit any of the top 3 though. he can barely aim with it (he missed a stationary target) and top 3's attacks would just detonate it before it hit them.
@lilsm555 her bankai didn't hurt barragan. combine her bankai with hacchi high level kido seals, multiple seals, that's what hurts barragan. how is anything i said is false? ulquiorra has high level kido seals to back him up? not to mention: accuracy of soi fon's bankai > lanza, he missed stationary hollow ichigo: he said it's difficult to control.
besides, the battle is about spiritual pressure, if you got a significantly higher spirit pressure, like Aizen being a hollow compared to Barragan, then Barragans ability cant do nothing
@neiduart what?? no.. actualy ichigo was WEAKER in the arrancar arc in the HUECO MUNDO ARC is stronger because he now has control over is hollow... in the arrancar arc he had trouble with the hollow thats hy he was weaker! we both have only SPECULATIONS you even said I DOUB he is even above halibel and you know what? we cant say nothing since THEY HAVE NEVER FIGHTED so what we can say its only our opinion and MY opinion is that ulquiorra is stronger and yours is that 3 and less are stronger :S
@BattlesBleach unlike you, i don't speculate, i state exactly what happened in the story. this is how ichigo is weaker during arrancar arc:::
his main draw of power during arrancar arc is his inner hollow and his inner hollow never wants to help him willingly. time limit & jumpy power level.
while back in SS arc his main draw of power was zangetsu and zangetsu always gave him 100% of his support. no time limit & he could draw as much power as he felt necessary. there was also hogyoku...
@neiduart talking with you is like talking with a door! when aizen was about to finish halibel BEFORE that in a manga page she was being beaten arround by them see that manga chapter (find it yourself) and Hitsugaya atack DIDNT FAILED it was wonderweice who brook the ice a little longer and she would be dead ichigo power WAS ONLY UNSTABLE IN THE ARRANCAR AND VAIZARD ARC WHEN HE DEFEATED HI he turned normal and became EVEN STRONGER thanks to the vaizard mask . DUMB IDIOT YOU ARE!
@BattlesBleach take it out on me doesn't make you right. everything you have said so far is just opinion based. hitsugaya's final failed simply because it didn't put a scratch on her, pretty much like how soifon attack failed because it didn't put a scratch on barragan. none of the 3 were able to scratch her. it was aizen who defeated her.
@namehereplz13 no azien almost kills gin and then ichigo attacks him without reiatsu and the finely is going to shows us the finial getsuga thenshu! ( i probobly wrote wrong!)
@BattlesBleach here's the concept of vizard: the ichigo who draws power from his inner hollow (vizard) is a lot weaker than the inner who draws power from zangetsu (shinigami). reason for that? inner hollow never wanted to help him while zangetsu gave 100% of his support. limit power vs unlimited power. which part of that confuses you?
man you're ridiculous, stop talking out of your ass and expect people to take that as fact.
@neiduart shut the fuck up you dumb ass bitch you dont understand NOTHING about bleach... man vaizard means that? ahahahahaha i quite arguing with you ... you speak like youre an inteligent guy but you are just a retarded whos SPEAKS from himself and lol shut the fuck up with fact fact fact ... did i ever say that ulquiorra is the strongest was A FACT? no i even said its MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT i have seen WHAT you want is to change my opinion by i wont change it... i know everything...
@BattlesBleach that's exactly what vizard is. drawing power from inner hollow. regular shinigami draws their power from their zanpakutou. i hope that's clear enough.
you said i don't see the facts that you speak of, so to reply to that i said the things that you "facts" were just your delusion. of course there's no possible i can see your delusion. ok fine, don't change your opinion. i just wanted to point out how wrong you are. stick to it if it pleases you.
@neiduart ah i just read the data book and it says THAT most espadas ARE vasto lorde level AND HE FINALY SAID WHY THE ESPADAS ARE RANK THAT WAY!!!!
The ranks are said in page 133 or 132 i think and it was saying that THE ESPADAS ARE RANKED BY REIATSU the higher the reiatsu the higher the rank so THIS ISNT ABOUT combat abilitites or anything ITS ABOUT REIATSU!!!
@BattlesBleach according to shawlong espada are giving a rank base on their killing powers (abilities + efficiency + reiatsu). the databook just repeated that. not just reiatsu alone. don't know where you read it, but you're wrong as usual. the top3's abilities + efficiency + reiatsu outclassed the rest of the espada.
@neiduart im not wrong as usual blame the guy who translate it... (in naruto forums) :S. but yeah now i read another translation and said their strenght ok...
if its like that theres really not much of a difference in power between espada 6 and 1... BUT theres a BIG difference in power in segunda etapa ulquiorra...
@BattlesBleach there's a huge difference between the top4 and the rest. and how much of a difference between segunda etapa (second stage) and his first stage is unknown, he dominated ichigo through first and second stage. segunda etapa's power level has been greatly exaggerated by the fans.
what i mean is that, individually, top3 are much more cutthroat than the rest. better abilities, reiatsu, and efficiencies. it takes a team effort to bring them down.
Id say 1-4 are vasto lordes but then what is yammy he cant be stronger then them in release then out of release be weak as fuck and still be VL and i doubt any adjuchas is stronger than a VL
I wonder why Yammy and Wonderweiss are not in Starrk's flashback, are those two arrancar consider to be VL or the strongest arrancar something like that? Time for the Yammy-show and Wonderweiss-Chanel
lul there is no reason he consider yammy as a dick, he consider aaroniero, zommari, szayel as friend and they are all weirdos, how could he left yammy out.
Wonderweiss was created after Starkk joined the Espada, he's the newest Espada.
Yammy? I don't really know about him. He doesn't look too strong even in his released form, since Byakuya and Kenpachi just beat him down to the floor again and again.
I didn't say they beat him, I said they are beating him down to the floor again and again, which means what it sounds like - They hit him, he falls down, he gets up, rinse and repeat.
@nastyguard007 "dosent look to strong because they kept beating him down to the floor again and again" Well thats his strength. "Ira" contines to boost Yammy's power as he keeps fighting, thats why hes #0, because his power can theoritically grow to infinity.
:| This is just my opinion, but I think Ulquiorra, Halibel, Baraggan, and Starrk are Vasto Lordes. After all, any espada 4 or above cannot release their power w/in las noches... It would be a reason for the distinction.
I think Ulquiorra is a Vasto...in his 2nd form he was way stronger than Halibel considering the fact that Ichigo's hollow mask couldnt even scratch him.I think Wonderweiss is also a Vasto lorde but i dont think Yammi is one.
@Shuma222 Harribel is definitely a Vasto Lorde. She retains a completely human appearance even in Resurreccion not to mention the best of the best are Vasto Lordes. So what would make you think Harribel isn't a Vasto Lorde if it's heavily implied that Ulquiorra is?
sorry, but just because they lost doesn't mean tehy're not vasto lordes, it hasn't been comfirmed by kubo as far as I know. I mean look at barragan's ability,he culd kill anyone if his power isn't countered , and Starrk was so strong he had to make himself into 2 separate beings,sorry if you might not read the manga
Sorry but that's not the reason stark became two seperate beings. He was lonely because any other hollow that got near him would die from his reiatsu. So he split up his soul to form lilynette (probably spelled that wrong).
@betterthanL Actually people can only assume stark was a vasto lord because he was the only arrancar with a flashback that shows he had a human form before he met aizen.
@betterthanL yeah but vicky as a point if a vasto lorde menos is stronger than a captain then HOW can be possible to vasto lorde ARRANCARS to lose to single captains vasto lorde arracars should be like 5 times stronger than before and should be like at captain commander level! 10 are enough to finish soul SOCIETY!!! about the espada ranks i think aizen made those ranks to surprise the enemys or BY reiatsu by i HIGHLY disagree that Halibel as more reiatsu than ulquiorra nnoitra and grimmjow
@tsunade774 well my opinion: halibel was having a hard time against hitsugaya (and even LOST) so she cant possibly be a vasto lorde! About barragan PROBABALu yes since he was the king and he has the most supreme power but i think hes just a HOLLOW aside from the menos with more power than all the others. about stark hmm that one either is a weak vasto lorde or a VERY powerfull adjucka! but according to kubo we dont know nothing yet xD
@BattlesBleach you've got it all wrong: 1st) in the new databook kubo says most of the espada are VL class. at least 6 to 1 are/were VL. 2nd) VL was described by hitsugaya as having higher battle "capability" than a captain, not that they were stronger than an average captain. 3rd) hitsugaya was throwing everything he had at halibel to stay alive, he wasn't beating her or whatever it is that you thought.
@neiduart oh really? can you show me that databook :D. actually hitsugaya said vasto lorde MENOS have more skill than a captain (he didnt mention nothing about average or anything so ...) and yes a captain could be able to defeat a vasto lorde MENOS but a vasto lorde arrancar should be able to FINISH a captain with ease... even hitsugaya said: changing those menos into arrancar they gain a vastly ammount of power and that ONLY 10 are enough to finish soul society !!!
@BattlesBleach around page 131 on the new data, the page with all espada sitting around the round table. "bleach databook 2 masked" look for the book yourself.
VL: depends on which translation you read: for onemanga it's "battle capability" & for bleachexile it just says VL is the strongest hollow that's it. the rest is just your own imagination.
not to mention hitsugaya was overestimating the enemy's strength. he couldn't know the full capacity of each captain to make that kind of comparison.
@neiduart i think you dont understand.. i now what a VL is dont need to tell me BUT if 10 are enough to finish soul society then how can 6 (according to you and data book) are beat by single captains? well grimmjow was defeated by a vaizard ichigo thats ok ah and grimmjow LET ichigo win (look in the end at grimmjow eyes) and ulquiorra only lose because it was a THE BEAST hollow ichigo... wich is perhaps the 2nd strongest guy in bleach i saw so far!
@BattlesBleach again 10 VL + 3 defected captains would spell doom for ss was just all hitsugaya's overestimation. he left "urahara & his gang, shinji & his gang, and every other captain's full capacity" out of the equation.
onemanga translation: VL having a "higher battle capability" than a captain, hitsugaya was just talking out of his ass there. he couldn't possibly know every captain's full capacity. take shunsui's bankai for example who else knew about it beside yamamoto and ukitake? none... what about byakuya's senkei? only 2 people saw it so far.
bleachexile translation: VL is the strongest form hollow, that's it. never even mentioned anything about VL being better than a captain at anything.
@BattlesBleach 4th) where did you get the idea that vizard ichigo is above captain level? he's actually less powerful during the arrancar arc than he was back in SS arc. 5th) ulquiorra is/was just a fourth, and there's no information anywhere to prove otherwise. having segunda etapa and beating ichigo doesn't mean he's stronger than fourth. i doubt he's even stronger than halibel let alone being on yamamoto's level.
@neiduart ah and i will mention 10 vasto lordes and aizen vs SOUL SOCIETY and soul society is: gotei 13, kido coprs, royal army... so you can see what a VASTO LORDE arrancar is... and lol halibel a vasto lorde or nnoitra?grimmjow yeah he mght be 6 but in his flash back he said: you will see the next level as part of my own flesh! so next level means vasto lorde so yeah-.. ulquiorra yeah that one i highly aproove him as vl stark the same and barragan the same!
@BattlesBleach halibel is more than qualified to be a VL. actually, 3-1 are more than qualified to be VL class, but according the author at least 6-1 espada were qualified VL class (zommari and/or syazel could be on the list too because he didn't give a specific number).
@neiduart yeah i think youa re right from 6 to 1 are vasto lordes but what i mean is that GRIMMJOW AND ULquiorra should be higher!!! halibel might be vasto lorde but you only say that because of the NUMBER!!! THE NUMBERS are the shit all arround this! could halibel defeat or even put up a good fight against vaizard ichigo? barragan yes and stark the same but halibel?
@BattlesBleach why would grimmjow and ulquiorra be higher? again, you can't use ichigo to gauge their power level, because ichigo's power level during "arrancar arc" is just unstable, thus too unreliable.
i'm just basing off of the numbers, halibel abilities are better than grimmjow and ulquiorra. we can go in to detail how hers are better.
@neiduart i compreende that ichigo IN the arrancar arc was unstable but in the HUECO mundo arc it was STABLE and he was more powerfull that time since he had the mask but forget about this for now:
Halibels abilities better than grimmjow and ulquiorra? Is halibel faster than them? is halibel stronger than them? does halibel as the same regenerate abilitie as ulquiorra? does she have the same mobility as grimmjow? does she have the same destructive power as both? please TELL ME
@BattlesBleach his power after ss arc became very unstable you can't use him to measure the espada's power reason is he drew power from inner hollow instead of zangetsu. inner hollow isn't user-friendly. with zangetsu, he was powerful enough to pick on kenpachi back ss. yet his bankai became pathetic during the whole "real ktown, hueco m, fake ktown" arc. reason? inner hollow. which part of that confuses you?
you're basing grimmjow and ulquiorra's power level off of ichigo's, which is false.
@BattlesBleach speed: that's something you can't accurately measure, because they fought against different opponents. and take in to consideration that ichigo is unstable after ss arc, it's impossible to tell. but considering that she took on 1 captain and 2 vizards without a scratch, her speed is more than justified for her rank. strength: again, 1 captain + 2 vizards couldn't touch her. durability: this i can say for sure that she's better than grimmjow, hitsugaya's strongest attack failed.
@neiduart effective? yeah against hitsugaya PROTECTING komamura and other from her cascada ultimate if not he couldve dodge and lol why grimmjow even needs desgarron? he could defeat halibel even with any tech he would speeblitz her and punch her and kick her around the same with ulquiorra! youa re the blind one who doesnt want to see that fact or either you are really dumb!
@BattlesBleach effective. he just happened to have a perfect counter. strongest ice zanpakutou that turns everything water into ice. do grimmjow and ulquiorra have the strongest ice zanpakutou to turn her water attacks in to ice? not that i remember.
what you call "fact" is just your delusion, of course i can't see it.
@BattlesBleach nope she doesnt finally some1 with a brain and eyes to see she was weaker then them they the espada are ranked on spiritual pressure so we dont know which of them was stronger like yammy he had the most power but was a weakling ulquiorra was num 4 on top of that had 2 releases and grimmjow was just badass with speed strenght all at high ranks and nnoitra was the strongest fer sure
I kinda hate that people are using stuff from other anime. Bleach doesn't suck like the other anime they're talking about.
WuGanNing 3 months ago in playlist WuGanNing's favorites
which episode is this? Couldnt find
crateos 3 months ago
just what i was looking for. still it could ave been uploaded as is up till the end. like the sound and visuals at the end especially
crateos 4 months ago
entai raikou and suicune
riolu77 4 months ago
@riolu77 This is bleach not Pokemon...
WuGanNing 3 months ago in playlist WuGanNing's favorites
Taste the rainbow...
PhantoMNiGHT321 7 months ago
Fucking power rangers over there.
MDsizzlelin 7 months ago
they went super sayan x)
LordMurcielago 8 months ago
This scene is part of the reason I LOVE the Espada.
frostyh81 9 months ago
that would be so cool to see in real life.....
griff297 9 months ago
They remind of Eygptian God Card
MsKyoku 1 year ago 6
@MsKyoku Or Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. All being the primary colors lol.
SamIAmSXE 8 months ago
Why do they do that? =P
aspidur 1 year ago
@aspidur intimidation factor...they were preparing to use more power and fight more seriously so they released...plus no espada 4 and up can release in los noches so why not do it in fake karakura town when you get the chance lol?
Phoenixsaga007 7 months ago
They're crayon packages.
ChasehaWing 1 year ago
Barragan: Hueco Mundo Red!
Halibel: Hueco Mundo Yellow!
Stark: Heuco Mundo Blue!
Together, we are the Hueco Mundo Rangers!
theburntshadow 1 year ago 103
@theburntshadow Yammy is pink :3
TheRefais 1 year ago
@theburntshadow AAHAHHAHAAHAHA
HaRaKiRix33 8 months ago
@theburntshadow And Ulquiorra, dark green
desmondli007 5 months ago
barragan and harribel need to stop they know they sit in the back during the espada meeting(spirtual presure rank)
iRasmusi 1 year ago
@iRasmusi haha funny cos its true....and i like how when aizen, gin and tousen get engulfed by yammas flaming forest barragan and hallibel try to keep a cool face while starrk is the only one with a reaction
g4bde 1 year ago
This is all good, but Kenpachi's reiatsu beats them all...
optibus1995 1 year ago
barragan #1
BoRiCuAnPR 1 year ago
people there is nothing wrong with the espada rankings, the problem is that fans dont like it, boo hoo
g4bde 1 year ago
@neidurart, segunda etapa is an ability achieved only by Ulquiorra Cifer, he should be the top if you refer Espada by efficiency. Im not an arguing person, but the cero espada, Yammy Riyalgo is more of a random arrancar, he is only as strong as the power he bides, like when he says he's been "pigging out. " That's why he is able to change his rank. Espada 9: Aaroniero has a similar ability, whatever he eats, it stays, but forever. What if he consumed some of the Espada, then would be #1 or #2.
1onskates 1 year ago
@1onskates "segunda etapa is an ability achieved... he should be the top", the problem with that assumption is an arrancar doesn't achieve anything new through ressurreccion. the concept of ressurreccion is to bring back true form and power that an arrancar sealed away. unlike kai, ressurreccion is given. it's just his ressurreccion being divided into 2 stages.
neiduart 1 year ago
Harribel ought to have the blue aura, being a water user and all.
TheBlairdevil 1 year ago 34
@TheBlairdevil they should see ulquiorras aura it was alot bigger then halibels and barragans mabey starrks
orokabuto1 10 months ago
@TheBlairdevil but stark alawys fires blue cero and his resurrecion has blue wolves
nbng7 6 months ago
no ichigo in HM and Fake KT is stronger than in SS also Kenpachi and very other captains became very stronger! Mayuri Kenpachi Byakuya Hitsugaya... Ichigo wasnt the one to envolve!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach ulquiorra got nice regeneration ability but he also said other espada traded that for power so which mean halibel has - on regeneration but + on power
her array of water attacks are much more accurate and effective than anything grimmjow and ulquiorra have.
but all of that is irrelevant, because you're supposed to disprove her rank not the other way around. i don't have to prove anything, because i'm not the one who disagrees with their rankings.
neiduart 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach none of the captain becomes stronger. ichigo was the who slipped down on the power scale. you're just talking out of your ass. you don't even understand the concept of "vizard".
neiduart 1 year ago
Ichigo's is 10 times biggers and black/red
TheCrampz 1 year ago
what episode is this from?
FlammingGuitarDudes 1 year ago
they kinda dissapointed me : /
Rjuga1 1 year ago
It's the primary colors! :D
Spongeygirl14 1 year ago
stark is awsome
cloud66 1 year ago
the 4th espada was stronger than all of them
butkowski 1 year ago
people stop this pointless argues about who is or not a vasto lorde. the case is unresolved untill kubo will clearly say who was and what is a vasto lorde ;]
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@BballNintendo 5 is far from being VL. his skill and ability are child play compare to the top 4. hell, i doubt he could even beat grimmjow, a #6.
neiduart 1 year ago
yammy and wonderweiss are modded arrancars used by the hogyoku's full power. Starrk is probably the only vasto lordes, because he was a humanoid before he became an arrancar. 9 was the only menos grande, 8-5 were definitely adjuchas. 1-4 were either vasto lordes or adjuchas, but Starrk was a humanoid before Aizen modded him.
yogurtman321 1 year ago
@yogurtman321
Starrk was a natural arrancar. He took off his own mask, that's why it shows him in a humanoid form when aizen meets him.
XN1ghtwalk3rX 1 year ago
@yogurtman321: yammy being modified arrancar? are you mad sir? ;] barragan was also a humanoid before aizen made him a arrancar ;]
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
My opinion is that the vasto lords are the ones that Aizen didn't evolve/create. Like Starrk. Aizen merely gave him a home and told Starrk/Lilynette to come with him, whereas he evolved Grimmjow and created Wonderweisse.
Thats what I think anyway XD
Turdyfartysmell 1 year ago
@Turdyfartysmell your theory sounds reasonable. yes, stark was already human-like when aizen found him. also, stark's power was already so strong before any modification (by aizen), if any. while guys grimmjow was beast-like until aizen modified him. stark has the highest chance of being a VL. same goes for barragan, don't know about halibel and ulquiorra they didn't have a flashback.
neiduart 1 year ago
Reiatsu NOW IN COLOR!!!!!!!!!!
Flekzorz 1 year ago
top 5 espada- were vasto lordes.
yammi
stark
harribel
ulquiorra -is the one shown as vasto lordes before removal with full helmet
P.S I still think Barragan was the most powerful followed by stark and Cifer.
Shiratsui 1 year ago
@Shiratsui stark is still the most powerful, in my opinion. his wolves are immune to any attack the captains threw at them, so theoretically they could survive long enough to get close to barragan and blow up on him.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart I agree with you as well. I'm sure Starrk's sonido is faster than Barragans as well, and he's very smart so he could figure out how to kill him. You never know this whole thing has been very inconsistant.
yogurtman321 1 year ago
@yogurtman321 most of what people call "inconsistent" are explainable if you look deeper into them. only case i can't explain is someone who's pathetic like nnoitra is a #5. beside a thicker hierro, he has nothing that could be called "advantage" over zommari or grimmjow.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: yeah maybe but the truth is that kubo made barragan arrogant one so we didn't see him fight with everything he had. besides none of the captains fighting starrk had the ability like respira ;]
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 well the only thing stark has that i see would be effective against barragan is his wolves because they're immune to counterattack. that's why he's a #1 and barragan is a #2. barragan is very full of himself, i don't think would he would take 2nd place if he's better than stark.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: barragan was second only because kyouka suigetsu and because aizen said so. would you disobey someone who can kill you? it's true that starrk wolves are really strong but respira is ultimate attack against everything and it was clearly shown in manga ;]. barragan won't kneel before any espada ;]
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 no doubt that barragan's ability is an ultimate attack, but since stark is 1 rank above him makes me think the wolves are immune to it or at least they will last long enough to explode on his face.
beside stark's wolves, i don't see any other espada's ability would be able to damage barragan, thus why he's above all other espada except for stark.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart could be that or it could be that aizen ranks by reiatsu or he just ranked barragan #2 just to piss him off
betterthanL 1 year ago 2
@betterthanL
I'd say Stark has more spirit energy, and I bet Barragan's Respira works like a kido attack; if so then Stark and Yammy would be able to use their energy to simply blow the attack away.
kfowlkes 1 year ago
@betterthanL vasto lorde MOST probaly the only one is ulquiorra since he has the reiatsu EQUAL to an ocean and is several times stronger than VAIZARD ichigo (note: vaizard ichigo is above captain level) and ulquiorra said there are 3 guys stronger than him JUST to CRUSH ichigo's HOPES of winning this battle because in fact there were 4 guys stronger than him... Ulquiorra in segunda etapa is like at the level of yamamoto!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@neiduart: well I don't trust kubo's rankings because later in manga everything looks different ;]. as for me barragan kneels only before some of the strongest captains and that's all. anyway it was nice conversation despite having different opinions :-)
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 well not trying to say who's right and who's wrong but stark's rank is totally justified if the wolves are in fact immune to barragan's abilitiy or at least they'll last long enough to explode at a close enough range to kill barragan. can't say that about other espada's abilities right? none but stark's.
just curious, what don't you trust about kubo's rankings? give some interesting examples.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: Can't say that about other espada? And what about yammi? According to the rank he's 0 and should be stronger than stark but you'll never convince me that he can beat barragan... I believe barragan was 2 only because aizen wanted him to be not so confident about his powers.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 exactly, all yammy does is growing bigger. he has shown anything that could be considered better than the top 4 espada. barran can ride on his back and rot him to death :). halibel can still him with her water attacks and stark can kill him with ceros or the wolves or energy swords. ulquiorra's lance would definitely punch a hole in yammy.
the way i see it that it's hard enough for barragan to work under aizen let alone take 2nd place in his army. stark's wolves all the way :)
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: Ok but if barragan can defeat yammi who is 0 and the strongest so it means he can beat starrk too :-). Sry I'm still with my theory ;-)
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 i said all top 4 can defeat yammy, not just barragan. only ability that i see barragan has over stark is respira and i see stark's wolves can counter that. see how hacchi beat barragan? just replace his kido seal with stark's wolves and you'll get 1 dead barragan. so yeah imo stark's rank is still totally justified.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart; yes he has: monstrous cero and bala
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 gillian's cero is pretty massive too, nothing special. so far yammy is all bark and no bite. i'll wait and see how well he'll do against byakuya and kenpachi before placing him about any of the top 4 espada.
ok, what else do other espada have that could counter barragan's respira except for stark's wolves. so yeah you can't say that about other espada's abilities.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart C'mon don't compare gillian cero to released yammi cero. It's obvious that yammis cero is a lot lot stronger ;-). Top 4 beating yammi? Maybe but not necesary. I'll believe that starrk was really the strongest when kubo will officialy confirm that. Now barragan is the strogest to me.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 not saying it's equal to gillian's cero. just saying size doesn't matter in bleach. it's actually the smaller they get the stronger they are: gillian (giant) --> adjuchas (huge) ---> vasto lorde (humanoid size). like i said before until i see more of yammy, he's the pretty weak compare to the top 4.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart True we have to see more of yammi. But his cero doesn't look like a weak attack for sure.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 none of the cero from any espada looks weak. not why yammy is special all of the sudden, has he done any real damage to anyone so far? not that i remember.
neiduart 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 *hasn't
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: About rankings: I meant those battle statistics of captains which are now useless and everything looks different and of course espada ranks( ulquiorra segunda etapa looks way stronger than harribels release and this thing with barragan and stark we're discussing and also yammis change of number when he releases). Kubo muddled everything too much.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 well captains' stats left a few elements out like zanpakutou, shunpo, and spiritual power. stats were meant for us to get an idea how skillful each captain is.
only reason ulquiorra looks strong because he defeated ichigo, who is a 2 tricks pony (getsuga tenshou + speed). hitsugaya would die pretty quickly too if he didn't have a bag of tricks and abilities. not to mention top 3 espada are fighting outside of hueco mundo, no power boost. everything is still coherence.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: No not everything. Think about byakuya vs ichigo. Ichigo won, they were almost equal. Now we all know ichigo would end with byakuya quickly. And in hueco mundo you can see that this new hyped ichigo who's stronger than byakuya can only hurt yammi and weaker byakuya can cut his leg off... I don't see any sense in this O_o
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 ichigo caught byakuya by surprise because of his increased speed, not that ichigo was as strong as byakuya. ichigo was greatly underestimated by byakuya. not to mention no high level kido spells used. ichigo failed to inflict a serious wound on yammy because ichigo just came out of a hell of a fight with ulquiorra so he wasn't anywhere near full power. everything is explainable if you look at it closely enough.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart It wasn't only speed. Ichigo could parry byakuyas, sword their strenght was equal. Also ichigos reiatsu was big enough to be campared with byakuyas and other captains reiatsu(ukitake said ichigos reiatsu is clearly on captains level and ichigo could withstand byakuyas soul pressure). Ichigo was simply faster but not weaker.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 it was just speed, sudden changed in speed surprised byakuya. he already started to fail to keep up with byakuya soon after they enter senkei, swordsmanship i'll give it to byakuya. is he faster than byakuya? can't really tell, because byakuya was stationary. i mean byakuya keeps up with fastest sonido. skill-wise byakuya is still way ahead of ichigo, that applies to every captain in SS (except for kenpachi). none of the captains is a 1-2 tricks pony.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart Yes it was the matter of speed because ichigo was simply faster. But their strength was the same. Ichigo started to fail because he was soul reaper for a short time and he didn't get used to this. You really think after all those later manga chapters that zommari sonido was the fastest? I don't.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 ichigo wasn't faster, he caught a stationary byakuya off guard. the guy didn't expect him to achieve bankai let alone the increased from that bankai. he had no problem with ichigo at the beginning of senkei. after exchanging a few blows that's when ichigo's body started to slow down. electric shock from hado 4 helps paralyze him.
later chapters don't disprove that he has the fastest sonido either. how many espada can create a solid image of himself with sonido? none but zommari.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart Besides we've never seen byakuya using high level hado so we don't know if he can cast any. True-ichigo wasn't at his full power when he attacked yammi but it doesn't change the fact byakuya shouldn't be able to fight with yammi like he is doing.
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 he used up to 81 without chanting so it's pretty high. ichigo > byakuya is nonexistence so i get what are you comparing him to byakuya.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart Yes but i'm not talking about bakudo but about hado. Sry i didn't get the last sentence. Ichigo>byakuya nonexistence? Yes sir it's true and clearly shown in manga ;-). Sry this is my last comment, I simply grew tired of answering I'm a lazy type person :-P. It was nice to talk wth you :-)
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 bakudo = hado = kido. doesn't matter. yes it's nonexistence. give me a page of the manga where it states ichigo > byakuya. he caught byakuya off guard once. i mean ichigo did that to ulquiorra and grimmjow too but the hierro prevents ichigo from doing any real damage. if being surprised by ichigo means ichigo > then he's > everyone he has had a fight with.
"i don't get why* are you comparing him to byakuya" since ichigo > bya is nonexistence: that's the last sentence.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart the whole fight clearly shown that they were equal ichigo just was not used to his new powers. if that's not convincing then: ichigo beat grimmjow 6th espada and byakuya defeated zommari the 7th they were both hurt a lot after the fights. If byakuya is a lot stronger than ichigo as you say then should he defeat zommari without this big effort? Also his sonido isn't the fastest for sure, barragans time manipulation would slow his down and the rest of top 4 is also a lot faster
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 byakuya did beat 7th without much effort. wounds on byakuya were self inflicted. technically 7th failed to inflict any injury on byakuya. of course barragan would negate anyone's speed, speed is meaningless against barragan. but nothing disprove zommari's fastest sonido claim. top 4 look fast, but that doesn't mean they're faster. again the guy was fast enough to create solid clones of himself.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart: yes 7th failed to inflict any injury because his powers were kido type he didn't have any weapon to inflct any cut after the release. still if byakuya was that stronger than ichigo his fight with zommari would be simply faster. no disscuss about this
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 if byakuya went bankai instantly, like ichigo & toshiro against their opponents, the fight would end in seconds. so there you have it, it would be "simply faster".
none of my arguments is opinion based, i stated exactly how it happened. like how you said barragan is the strongest until kubo confirms stark is the strongest. you got that backward, stark is the primera, that's pretty much a confirmation that he's the strongest. no offense of course.
neiduart 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 answering? i haven't asked you anything that i don't have the answer for. i'm merely backing up my arguments with proofs and a little insight. but yeah it's been nice talking to you. at least none of us have lost our cool yet.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart heh ok last one for sure. by answering i meant responding to your comments, i thought it was obvious. proofs? there are no proofs just different points of view and different interpretations butyeah i'm glad too that it was a polite
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 yes, proofs and insights
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart : no offence but these are your interpretations only not a proofs. there are as many different points of view as many are the people
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@neiduart: Ok I agree with battle stats - true the're just to tell us about how skilled each captain is but this espada ranks matter is still not resolved to me :-).
szewczyk1000 1 year ago
@szewczyk1000 most people come up with their own espada rankings because of certain "badass" moment some espada has with certain character. like everyone thinks ulquiorra is the strongest just because he pawns 2 tricks pony ichigo (badass moment). while failing to see the captains and the vizards have to throw numerous of tricks and abilities to barely stop the top 3. by feats top 3 beat ulquiorra hands down. and yammy at the moment is no where near comparable.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart What about lanza del rampago. He can throw as many of those as he likes and the explosion was huge
lilsm555 1 year ago
@lilsm555 he can throw it as long as he still has energy/power, yes. but he can only throw it 1 at a time. which is pretty much useless against barragan's respira, starrk's thousand ceros + wolves and halibel's cascada.
lanza looks painful "if" it hits. the keyword is "if", don't see it will hit any of the top 3 though. he can barely aim with it (he missed a stationary target) and top 3's attacks would just detonate it before it hit them.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart If soi fons one of the weaker captains and her bankai hurt barragan than everything you just said is false lol
lilsm555 1 year ago
@lilsm555 her bankai didn't hurt barragan. combine her bankai with hacchi high level kido seals, multiple seals, that's what hurts barragan. how is anything i said is false? ulquiorra has high level kido seals to back him up? not to mention: accuracy of soi fon's bankai > lanza, he missed stationary hollow ichigo: he said it's difficult to control.
not another ulquiorra fanboy, i hope.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart Nope not a fan boy i just know what i see watch the scene again he isnt stationary. And soi fons first hit damaged him without hachi
lilsm555 1 year ago
@lilsm555 i hope not. but i'm not sure we're watching the same anime or reading the same manga here. check your pm box.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart and he didnt miss ichigo dodged he just couldnt read ichigos movements
lilsm555 1 year ago
@neiduart
besides, the battle is about spiritual pressure, if you got a significantly higher spirit pressure, like Aizen being a hollow compared to Barragan, then Barragans ability cant do nothing
OnEMaNDynastYBBA7XLP 1 year ago
@OnEMaNDynastYBBA7XLP yes if the gap between the 2 reiatsu is significantly wide.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart what?? no.. actualy ichigo was WEAKER in the arrancar arc in the HUECO MUNDO ARC is stronger because he now has control over is hollow... in the arrancar arc he had trouble with the hollow thats hy he was weaker! we both have only SPECULATIONS you even said I DOUB he is even above halibel and you know what? we cant say nothing since THEY HAVE NEVER FIGHTED so what we can say its only our opinion and MY opinion is that ulquiorra is stronger and yours is that 3 and less are stronger :S
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach unlike you, i don't speculate, i state exactly what happened in the story. this is how ichigo is weaker during arrancar arc:::
his main draw of power during arrancar arc is his inner hollow and his inner hollow never wants to help him willingly. time limit & jumpy power level.
while back in SS arc his main draw of power was zangetsu and zangetsu always gave him 100% of his support. no time limit & he could draw as much power as he felt necessary. there was also hogyoku...
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart hueco mundo arc...
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach "arrancar arc" as in everything got to do with arrancar. from the start of their first appearance to the end with their demise.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart talking with you is like talking with a door! when aizen was about to finish halibel BEFORE that in a manga page she was being beaten arround by them see that manga chapter (find it yourself) and Hitsugaya atack DIDNT FAILED it was wonderweice who brook the ice a little longer and she would be dead ichigo power WAS ONLY UNSTABLE IN THE ARRANCAR AND VAIZARD ARC WHEN HE DEFEATED HI he turned normal and became EVEN STRONGER thanks to the vaizard mask . DUMB IDIOT YOU ARE!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach take it out on me doesn't make you right. everything you have said so far is just opinion based. hitsugaya's final failed simply because it didn't put a scratch on her, pretty much like how soifon attack failed because it didn't put a scratch on barragan. none of the 3 were able to scratch her. it was aizen who defeated her.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart And that's because Aizen sucks cock, I hope Ichigo kills him soon.
dragonlover7196 1 year ago
@dragonlover7196 its not ichigo who kill him its Gin :)
namehereplz13 1 year ago
@namehereplz13 1. Spoiler olol lame xD 2. Its a worng Spoiler ^^
Vexalius 1 year ago
@namehereplz13 no azien almost kills gin and then ichigo attacks him without reiatsu and the finely is going to shows us the finial getsuga thenshu! ( i probobly wrote wrong!)
lartkrin 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach here's the concept of vizard: the ichigo who draws power from his inner hollow (vizard) is a lot weaker than the inner who draws power from zangetsu (shinigami). reason for that? inner hollow never wanted to help him while zangetsu gave 100% of his support. limit power vs unlimited power. which part of that confuses you?
man you're ridiculous, stop talking out of your ass and expect people to take that as fact.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart shut the fuck up you dumb ass bitch you dont understand NOTHING about bleach... man vaizard means that? ahahahahaha i quite arguing with you ... you speak like youre an inteligent guy but you are just a retarded whos SPEAKS from himself and lol shut the fuck up with fact fact fact ... did i ever say that ulquiorra is the strongest was A FACT? no i even said its MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT i have seen WHAT you want is to change my opinion by i wont change it... i know everything...
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach that's exactly what vizard is. drawing power from inner hollow. regular shinigami draws their power from their zanpakutou. i hope that's clear enough.
you said i don't see the facts that you speak of, so to reply to that i said the things that you "facts" were just your delusion. of course there's no possible i can see your delusion. ok fine, don't change your opinion. i just wanted to point out how wrong you are. stick to it if it pleases you.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart ah i just read the data book and it says THAT most espadas ARE vasto lorde level AND HE FINALY SAID WHY THE ESPADAS ARE RANK THAT WAY!!!!
The ranks are said in page 133 or 132 i think and it was saying that THE ESPADAS ARE RANKED BY REIATSU the higher the reiatsu the higher the rank so THIS ISNT ABOUT combat abilitites or anything ITS ABOUT REIATSU!!!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach according to shawlong espada are giving a rank base on their killing powers (abilities + efficiency + reiatsu). the databook just repeated that. not just reiatsu alone. don't know where you read it, but you're wrong as usual. the top3's abilities + efficiency + reiatsu outclassed the rest of the espada.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart im not wrong as usual blame the guy who translate it... (in naruto forums) :S. but yeah now i read another translation and said their strenght ok...
if its like that theres really not much of a difference in power between espada 6 and 1... BUT theres a BIG difference in power in segunda etapa ulquiorra...
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach there's a huge difference between the top4 and the rest. and how much of a difference between segunda etapa (second stage) and his first stage is unknown, he dominated ichigo through first and second stage. segunda etapa's power level has been greatly exaggerated by the fans.
what i mean is that, individually, top3 are much more cutthroat than the rest. better abilities, reiatsu, and efficiencies. it takes a team effort to bring them down.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart no you are the one who knows nothing about bleach :S.. do you watch one piece or naruto?
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach i do? need more clarification from my last post? yes i watch both.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart what do you mean the top 3 espadas are stronger than the rest of the espadas all together? yeah right ...
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@neiduart Yammy can he's espada # 0
soulc10648 1 year ago
@soulc10648 barragan can just sit on him and he'll be dead by rotting.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart Also stark can shoot alot of ceros with his gun......which make soifons bankai look like a joke
lilsm555 1 year ago
Id say 1-4 are vasto lordes but then what is yammy he cant be stronger then them in release then out of release be weak as fuck and still be VL and i doubt any adjuchas is stronger than a VL
rollak3 2 years ago
I wonder why Yammy and Wonderweiss are not in Starrk's flashback, are those two arrancar consider to be VL or the strongest arrancar something like that? Time for the Yammy-show and Wonderweiss-Chanel
Yammy + Wonderweiss > top 3 Espada
yochen1996 2 years ago
@yochen1996 Probably because he doesn't consider them friends considering how Yammy is a Dick and WW wasn't even created yet.
Yeah I think I'm about right =D
Caigga900 2 years ago 4
lul there is no reason he consider yammy as a dick, he consider aaroniero, zommari, szayel as friend and they are all weirdos, how could he left yammy out.
yochen1996 2 years ago
@yochen1996 Well maybe Yammy is a new Espada just like Luppi and WW and when he had the flashback he just wasn't there.
Or maybe he's just a dick =D
Caigga900 2 years ago
Wonderweiss was created after Starkk joined the Espada, he's the newest Espada.
Yammy? I don't really know about him. He doesn't look too strong even in his released form, since Byakuya and Kenpachi just beat him down to the floor again and again.
nastyguard007 2 years ago
look closer, they didn't actually beat Yammy, if you read chapter 383. Yammy has a weird ability that make him nearly immortal.
yochen1996 2 years ago
I didn't say they beat him, I said they are beating him down to the floor again and again, which means what it sounds like - They hit him, he falls down, he gets up, rinse and repeat.
nastyguard007 2 years ago
@nastyguard007 "dosent look to strong because they kept beating him down to the floor again and again" Well thats his strength. "Ira" contines to boost Yammy's power as he keeps fighting, thats why hes #0, because his power can theoritically grow to infinity.
LordManda2 1 year ago
:| This is just my opinion, but I think Ulquiorra, Halibel, Baraggan, and Starrk are Vasto Lordes. After all, any espada 4 or above cannot release their power w/in las noches... It would be a reason for the distinction.
Kraethi 2 years ago
Look at the pretty colours!
EvilgidgitReturns 2 years ago 10
Barragan and Starrk are probably Vastos, halibel and the rest of the Espada? Definitively not.
Shuma222 2 years ago
I think Ulquiorra is a Vasto...in his 2nd form he was way stronger than Halibel considering the fact that Ichigo's hollow mask couldnt even scratch him.I think Wonderweiss is also a Vasto lorde but i dont think Yammi is one.
Nicholas121093 2 years ago
@Shuma222 Harribel is definitely a Vasto Lorde. She retains a completely human appearance even in Resurreccion not to mention the best of the best are Vasto Lordes. So what would make you think Harribel isn't a Vasto Lorde if it's heavily implied that Ulquiorra is?
kaihedgie 2 years ago
is starrk bargan and harribel vasto lorde??
tsunade774 2 years ago
no they r not vasto lordes. vasto lordes haven been seen yet
vicky9297 2 years ago
sorry, but just because they lost doesn't mean tehy're not vasto lordes, it hasn't been comfirmed by kubo as far as I know. I mean look at barragan's ability,he culd kill anyone if his power isn't countered , and Starrk was so strong he had to make himself into 2 separate beings,sorry if you might not read the manga
betterthanL 2 years ago
starrk separate to 2 beings because he is too strong and have no companions so he separate to have a company so will not be lonely
marigold38 2 years ago
@betterthanL
Sorry but that's not the reason stark became two seperate beings. He was lonely because any other hollow that got near him would die from his reiatsu. So he split up his soul to form lilynette (probably spelled that wrong).
XN1ghtwalk3rX 1 year ago
@betterthanL Actually people can only assume stark was a vasto lord because he was the only arrancar with a flashback that shows he had a human form before he met aizen.
lilsm555 1 year ago
@betterthanL yeah but vicky as a point if a vasto lorde menos is stronger than a captain then HOW can be possible to vasto lorde ARRANCARS to lose to single captains vasto lorde arracars should be like 5 times stronger than before and should be like at captain commander level! 10 are enough to finish soul SOCIETY!!! about the espada ranks i think aizen made those ranks to surprise the enemys or BY reiatsu by i HIGHLY disagree that Halibel as more reiatsu than ulquiorra nnoitra and grimmjow
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
maybe,nobody's opinion is right yet because it hasn't been confirimd yet but there's a high chance they are
betterthanL 2 years ago
@tsunade774 well my opinion: halibel was having a hard time against hitsugaya (and even LOST) so she cant possibly be a vasto lorde! About barragan PROBABALu yes since he was the king and he has the most supreme power but i think hes just a HOLLOW aside from the menos with more power than all the others. about stark hmm that one either is a weak vasto lorde or a VERY powerfull adjucka! but according to kubo we dont know nothing yet xD
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach you've got it all wrong: 1st) in the new databook kubo says most of the espada are VL class. at least 6 to 1 are/were VL. 2nd) VL was described by hitsugaya as having higher battle "capability" than a captain, not that they were stronger than an average captain. 3rd) hitsugaya was throwing everything he had at halibel to stay alive, he wasn't beating her or whatever it is that you thought.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart oh really? can you show me that databook :D. actually hitsugaya said vasto lorde MENOS have more skill than a captain (he didnt mention nothing about average or anything so ...) and yes a captain could be able to defeat a vasto lorde MENOS but a vasto lorde arrancar should be able to FINISH a captain with ease... even hitsugaya said: changing those menos into arrancar they gain a vastly ammount of power and that ONLY 10 are enough to finish soul society !!!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach around page 131 on the new data, the page with all espada sitting around the round table. "bleach databook 2 masked" look for the book yourself.
VL: depends on which translation you read: for onemanga it's "battle capability" & for bleachexile it just says VL is the strongest hollow that's it. the rest is just your own imagination.
not to mention hitsugaya was overestimating the enemy's strength. he couldn't know the full capacity of each captain to make that kind of comparison.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart i think you dont understand.. i now what a VL is dont need to tell me BUT if 10 are enough to finish soul society then how can 6 (according to you and data book) are beat by single captains? well grimmjow was defeated by a vaizard ichigo thats ok ah and grimmjow LET ichigo win (look in the end at grimmjow eyes) and ulquiorra only lose because it was a THE BEAST hollow ichigo... wich is perhaps the 2nd strongest guy in bleach i saw so far!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach again 10 VL + 3 defected captains would spell doom for ss was just all hitsugaya's overestimation. he left "urahara & his gang, shinji & his gang, and every other captain's full capacity" out of the equation.
neiduart 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach
onemanga translation: VL having a "higher battle capability" than a captain, hitsugaya was just talking out of his ass there. he couldn't possibly know every captain's full capacity. take shunsui's bankai for example who else knew about it beside yamamoto and ukitake? none... what about byakuya's senkei? only 2 people saw it so far.
bleachexile translation: VL is the strongest form hollow, that's it. never even mentioned anything about VL being better than a captain at anything.
neiduart 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach 4th) where did you get the idea that vizard ichigo is above captain level? he's actually less powerful during the arrancar arc than he was back in SS arc. 5th) ulquiorra is/was just a fourth, and there's no information anywhere to prove otherwise. having segunda etapa and beating ichigo doesn't mean he's stronger than fourth. i doubt he's even stronger than halibel let alone being on yamamoto's level.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart ah and i will mention 10 vasto lordes and aizen vs SOUL SOCIETY and soul society is: gotei 13, kido coprs, royal army... so you can see what a VASTO LORDE arrancar is... and lol halibel a vasto lorde or nnoitra?grimmjow yeah he mght be 6 but in his flash back he said: you will see the next level as part of my own flesh! so next level means vasto lorde so yeah-.. ulquiorra yeah that one i highly aproove him as vl stark the same and barragan the same!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach halibel is more than qualified to be a VL. actually, 3-1 are more than qualified to be VL class, but according the author at least 6-1 espada were qualified VL class (zommari and/or syazel could be on the list too because he didn't give a specific number).
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart yeah i think youa re right from 6 to 1 are vasto lordes but what i mean is that GRIMMJOW AND ULquiorra should be higher!!! halibel might be vasto lorde but you only say that because of the NUMBER!!! THE NUMBERS are the shit all arround this! could halibel defeat or even put up a good fight against vaizard ichigo? barragan yes and stark the same but halibel?
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach why would grimmjow and ulquiorra be higher? again, you can't use ichigo to gauge their power level, because ichigo's power level during "arrancar arc" is just unstable, thus too unreliable.
i'm just basing off of the numbers, halibel abilities are better than grimmjow and ulquiorra. we can go in to detail how hers are better.
neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart i compreende that ichigo IN the arrancar arc was unstable but in the HUECO mundo arc it was STABLE and he was more powerfull that time since he had the mask but forget about this for now:
Halibels abilities better than grimmjow and ulquiorra? Is halibel faster than them? is halibel stronger than them? does halibel as the same regenerate abilitie as ulquiorra? does she have the same mobility as grimmjow? does she have the same destructive power as both? please TELL ME
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach his power after ss arc became very unstable you can't use him to measure the espada's power reason is he drew power from inner hollow instead of zangetsu. inner hollow isn't user-friendly. with zangetsu, he was powerful enough to pick on kenpachi back ss. yet his bankai became pathetic during the whole "real ktown, hueco m, fake ktown" arc. reason? inner hollow. which part of that confuses you?
you're basing grimmjow and ulquiorra's power level off of ichigo's, which is false.
neiduart 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach speed: that's something you can't accurately measure, because they fought against different opponents. and take in to consideration that ichigo is unstable after ss arc, it's impossible to tell. but considering that she took on 1 captain and 2 vizards without a scratch, her speed is more than justified for her rank. strength: again, 1 captain + 2 vizards couldn't touch her. durability: this i can say for sure that she's better than grimmjow, hitsugaya's strongest attack failed.
neiduart 1 year ago
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neiduart 1 year ago
@neiduart effective? yeah against hitsugaya PROTECTING komamura and other from her cascada ultimate if not he couldve dodge and lol why grimmjow even needs desgarron? he could defeat halibel even with any tech he would speeblitz her and punch her and kick her around the same with ulquiorra! youa re the blind one who doesnt want to see that fact or either you are really dumb!
BattlesBleach 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach effective. he just happened to have a perfect counter. strongest ice zanpakutou that turns everything water into ice. do grimmjow and ulquiorra have the strongest ice zanpakutou to turn her water attacks in to ice? not that i remember.
what you call "fact" is just your delusion, of course i can't see it.
neiduart 1 year ago
@BattlesBleach nope she doesnt finally some1 with a brain and eyes to see she was weaker then them they the espada are ranked on spiritual pressure so we dont know which of them was stronger like yammy he had the most power but was a weakling ulquiorra was num 4 on top of that had 2 releases and grimmjow was just badass with speed strenght all at high ranks and nnoitra was the strongest fer sure
orokabuto1 10 months ago