mdiggs, our coach is like a hundred and five years old. How do you think the last tens years have been? Though, we did win the Big Ten twice in that time.
This wasn't the worst drubbing I had to witness. Next year in 1995 Iowa went to Columbus and we were getting destroyed 56-0 in the second quarter. We scored the next 35 but it was never, ever in doubt. Ohio State could have easily put 100 on us. Terry Glenn had 3 catches (38,56,55) for 149 yards and 2 tds in the 1st quarter! He sat out the rest of the game. Eddie George ran untouched it seemed. Our first TD came at the end of the 1st half and it was a gift as Shaw was down at the 1. 56-7
Penn State's defense was okay. The Hawkeyes actually outgained Penn State and that wasn't just the against the 2nd teamers. Penn State gave up more than 20 points 8 times and more than 30 twice.
I know some will claim that Penn State was in some blowouts where the 1st team defense wound up being pulled. I am already accounting for that otherwise I would have said the a terrible defense based on the scores. Their defense was okay.
I wouldn't say the 1994 defense was weaker than usual. Think about this. How long did the offense keep them resting on the sidelines? Not very long. How many times did the defensive starters play past the midway point of the 3rd quarter? Not many times, making the scores deceiving. It's a myth that this years defense was weak based on the scores. The starters were good, they just didn't play all that much.
@NittanyNation22 Thank you. So many people perpetually operate under that delusion. That defense was a solid unit. Its tough to stay fresh when the offense scores in under two minutes. Plus, like you said, backups were inserted early as Joe is a true sportsman. But on the other hand, can you imagine what the final scores would've looked like if Joe left his guys in like Pete Carroll or somebody like that? Not saying I'd want him to sink that low, but those numbers would've been SCARY!
@BassAssassin9 We may have seen 100 against Minnesota or Iowa and 84 against Ohio State. I think the best example of the defense being better than remembered is PSU was up 55-0 on Rutgers after scoring in the middle of the third quarter (I think it was 48-0 at halftime) and then Paterno mass subbed in backups and Rutgers made it 55-27. That game is often used as an example of how poor PSU's defense was, but it's really an example of how good PSU's starting defense was.
@MVillani1985 I wouldn't have called your defense great. Illinois ran up 400 yards on you and they certainly weren't known as an offensive juggernaut. However if your defense was as horrid as some people say you would've been 8-4. It was a decent defense. Not as good as '93, but good.
@mongoose704 I'd say the 94 defense was great but not world class like the 86 defense. The 86 defense was almost impenetrable it seemed (it virtually shut down Miami). More what I call a blue collar defense. Kinda like the 05 team's defense (which allowed 427 from Northwestern and 401 from Michigan State) in that they had games where they weren't as effective and had others (like the wins over Ohio State and Minnesota, both years oddly enough) where the defense looked amazing.
@MVillani1985 You know I don't call that '86 defense world class. I do call it the most timely and opportunistic defense in history and quite frankly they are THE STANDARD for bend dont break. How do you give up 450 yards to Miami with Michael Irvin, Testaverde, Brian Blades, Perriman, and Highsmith...and only give up 10 points? That's the epitome of bend don't break. 7 turnovers helps.
@mongoose704 Yeah, it was very BBDB (or as we call it, bend but don't suck), but I meant world class in a different way, not really on paper, but with as you said the smart way of bending and not breaking at just the right time. I think what's really amazing is that the same team that beat Miami very nearly could have been tied by (but not lose to since it was a 2 point try with no time on the clock after a TD as time expired) Maryland and escaped with a 17-15 win.
@MVillani1985 BBDB is a common characteristic of a team with great linebackers and excellent tackling fundamentals. Every good Penn State defense shows excellent tackling fundamentals. Nothing really fancy. Just sound basic fundamentals and team defense. BTW your '86 team faced only one ranked team until Miami and that was #2 Alabama and if you are worried about QB this year not many outside of Penn State know who John Shaffer is! Did you build a statue in honor of Chip Lohmiller yet? LOL
@mongoose704 John Schaffer was one who won games by being a game manager but was really good at what he did. He was no Kerry Collins or ToddBlackledge for that matter, but no Matt Senaca, either thankfully. One who was really underrated was Chuck Fusina, despite the NCG loss. I think the QB situation this year could be best described as Rashad Casey (Bolden) vs Mike McQueary (McGloin), the former having more potential and the latter having more spark but being more mistake prone.
@MVillani1985 We think alike (who says Hawks and Lions can't get along?) IMHO if your defense stays strong and your ground game continues its dominance, all you will need from your QB is to be a good leader and not make any serious mistakes. In that aspect I would favor Bolden. I've never been a fan of musical quarterbacks. Your offensive line needs consistent timing to get into a rhythm and that is hard for a developing offensive line to have to adjust to a different QB and the snap count.
@mongoose704 Three things will be key for Penn State this year. A solid defense, a good punter, and winning the turnover battle. If those things come togehter, Penn State could finish with less than 200 yards of offense and still come away with the win. Biggest thing Penn State has to do is make sure that the quarterback doesn't have to win the game, at least until pass blocking improves.
@MVillani1985 I think the pass blocking will improve with the timing. That is so key is being generating the quickness off the snap needed for effective pass blocking.
@NittanyNation22 Very true, when the starters were in, they mostly shut down teams, and when they didn't, they did the same bend but don't break style that won it all in 1986. For example, the Buckeyes only had 6 first downs in the first half and zero points. Also, in the Rutgers game, Penn State led 55-0 midway through the 3rd quarter before putting in backups that let Rutgers get 27. And of course, ugggh....that Indiana game. Wish I could forget the Chris Dittoe touchdown.
hayden fry was a great coch, but he had a knife at a gun fight. also, he ran that same fake field goal for a touchdown against UM in 1983 but PSU's rusher stay disciplined!
mdiggs, our coach is like a hundred and five years old. How do you think the last tens years have been? Though, we did win the Big Ten twice in that time.
SuperSricky 7 months ago
how have the past ten years been psu?
mdiggs4545 8 months ago
This wasn't the worst drubbing I had to witness. Next year in 1995 Iowa went to Columbus and we were getting destroyed 56-0 in the second quarter. We scored the next 35 but it was never, ever in doubt. Ohio State could have easily put 100 on us. Terry Glenn had 3 catches (38,56,55) for 149 yards and 2 tds in the 1st quarter! He sat out the rest of the game. Eddie George ran untouched it seemed. Our first TD came at the end of the 1st half and it was a gift as Shaw was down at the 1. 56-7
mongoose704 9 months ago
Penn State's defense was okay. The Hawkeyes actually outgained Penn State and that wasn't just the against the 2nd teamers. Penn State gave up more than 20 points 8 times and more than 30 twice.
I know some will claim that Penn State was in some blowouts where the 1st team defense wound up being pulled. I am already accounting for that otherwise I would have said the a terrible defense based on the scores. Their defense was okay.
mongoose704 9 months ago
I wouldn't say the 1994 defense was weaker than usual. Think about this. How long did the offense keep them resting on the sidelines? Not very long. How many times did the defensive starters play past the midway point of the 3rd quarter? Not many times, making the scores deceiving. It's a myth that this years defense was weak based on the scores. The starters were good, they just didn't play all that much.
NittanyNation22 1 year ago
@NittanyNation22 Thank you. So many people perpetually operate under that delusion. That defense was a solid unit. Its tough to stay fresh when the offense scores in under two minutes. Plus, like you said, backups were inserted early as Joe is a true sportsman. But on the other hand, can you imagine what the final scores would've looked like if Joe left his guys in like Pete Carroll or somebody like that? Not saying I'd want him to sink that low, but those numbers would've been SCARY!
BassAssassin9 1 year ago
@BassAssassin9 We may have seen 100 against Minnesota or Iowa and 84 against Ohio State. I think the best example of the defense being better than remembered is PSU was up 55-0 on Rutgers after scoring in the middle of the third quarter (I think it was 48-0 at halftime) and then Paterno mass subbed in backups and Rutgers made it 55-27. That game is often used as an example of how poor PSU's defense was, but it's really an example of how good PSU's starting defense was.
MVillani1985 1 year ago
@MVillani1985 I wouldn't have called your defense great. Illinois ran up 400 yards on you and they certainly weren't known as an offensive juggernaut. However if your defense was as horrid as some people say you would've been 8-4. It was a decent defense. Not as good as '93, but good.
mongoose704 5 months ago
@mongoose704 I'd say the 94 defense was great but not world class like the 86 defense. The 86 defense was almost impenetrable it seemed (it virtually shut down Miami). More what I call a blue collar defense. Kinda like the 05 team's defense (which allowed 427 from Northwestern and 401 from Michigan State) in that they had games where they weren't as effective and had others (like the wins over Ohio State and Minnesota, both years oddly enough) where the defense looked amazing.
MVillani1985 5 months ago
@MVillani1985 You know I don't call that '86 defense world class. I do call it the most timely and opportunistic defense in history and quite frankly they are THE STANDARD for bend dont break. How do you give up 450 yards to Miami with Michael Irvin, Testaverde, Brian Blades, Perriman, and Highsmith...and only give up 10 points? That's the epitome of bend don't break. 7 turnovers helps.
mongoose704 5 months ago
@mongoose704 Yeah, it was very BBDB (or as we call it, bend but don't suck), but I meant world class in a different way, not really on paper, but with as you said the smart way of bending and not breaking at just the right time. I think what's really amazing is that the same team that beat Miami very nearly could have been tied by (but not lose to since it was a 2 point try with no time on the clock after a TD as time expired) Maryland and escaped with a 17-15 win.
MVillani1985 5 months ago
@MVillani1985 BBDB is a common characteristic of a team with great linebackers and excellent tackling fundamentals. Every good Penn State defense shows excellent tackling fundamentals. Nothing really fancy. Just sound basic fundamentals and team defense. BTW your '86 team faced only one ranked team until Miami and that was #2 Alabama and if you are worried about QB this year not many outside of Penn State know who John Shaffer is! Did you build a statue in honor of Chip Lohmiller yet? LOL
mongoose704 5 months ago
@mongoose704 John Schaffer was one who won games by being a game manager but was really good at what he did. He was no Kerry Collins or ToddBlackledge for that matter, but no Matt Senaca, either thankfully. One who was really underrated was Chuck Fusina, despite the NCG loss. I think the QB situation this year could be best described as Rashad Casey (Bolden) vs Mike McQueary (McGloin), the former having more potential and the latter having more spark but being more mistake prone.
MVillani1985 5 months ago
@MVillani1985 We think alike (who says Hawks and Lions can't get along?) IMHO if your defense stays strong and your ground game continues its dominance, all you will need from your QB is to be a good leader and not make any serious mistakes. In that aspect I would favor Bolden. I've never been a fan of musical quarterbacks. Your offensive line needs consistent timing to get into a rhythm and that is hard for a developing offensive line to have to adjust to a different QB and the snap count.
mongoose704 5 months ago
@mongoose704 Three things will be key for Penn State this year. A solid defense, a good punter, and winning the turnover battle. If those things come togehter, Penn State could finish with less than 200 yards of offense and still come away with the win. Biggest thing Penn State has to do is make sure that the quarterback doesn't have to win the game, at least until pass blocking improves.
MVillani1985 5 months ago
@MVillani1985 I think the pass blocking will improve with the timing. That is so key is being generating the quickness off the snap needed for effective pass blocking.
mongoose704 5 months ago
@NittanyNation22 Very true, when the starters were in, they mostly shut down teams, and when they didn't, they did the same bend but don't break style that won it all in 1986. For example, the Buckeyes only had 6 first downs in the first half and zero points. Also, in the Rutgers game, Penn State led 55-0 midway through the 3rd quarter before putting in backups that let Rutgers get 27. And of course, ugggh....that Indiana game. Wish I could forget the Chris Dittoe touchdown.
MVillani1985 1 year ago
35-0 in the 1st quarter with a pro-style offense; crazy good
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buckherry22 1 year ago
Greatest Offense in College History - 1994 Penn State
jamnitro 1 year ago
hayden fry was a great coch, but he had a knife at a gun fight. also, he ran that same fake field goal for a touchdown against UM in 1983 but PSU's rusher stay disciplined!
ffg2454 1 year ago