{Rachel Maddow} Don't Ask Don't Tell Don't Work w/ Dan Choi

[Bumblybee256]

How on earth is anyone supposed to take the military seriously if they can't even deal with the fact some of their colleagues have different preferences to them. What are they, kids?

[dwaysmi]

You guys are making a big deal out of this situation.If you want to live a gay lifestyle that is your business,why are you putting this situation on me and others who don't agree with your lifestyle. I feel violated everytime you fight for the gay lifestyle. You want marriage,children,and now to be open in the military. You think you will be free? no way!! no matter what daniel Choi says or,Rachel Maddow says.

[Meggion]

@dwaysmi I feel violated every time someone with your level of ignorance is given the right of free speech, but it is what it is. Rights and freedoms for everyone. The battle is far from over but it's coming...whether you like it or not.

[dwaysmi]

@Meggion ignorance is in your mind. Yes,you have rights and freedom,I hope you are ready to face pandora's box?

[OpinionatedOldFart]

I say LET the homosexuals serve; They can B!tch Sl@p the cr@p out of the enemy & lisp at the enemy, "oh just stoppit". By they way, why do they have that funny sounding voice; is it all that "sweetmilk" that pours over their vocal cords?

[EarthBeautifull]

DADT is good policy. But no gays want to broadcast their sexuality and equate it with heterosexuality. I don't care if two men want to fuck each other in the ass dammit.

[jackdaman80]

Technical difficulty, yeah right! That was purposely interrupted, Somebody didn't want him to speak out loud once again.

[hisalone1212]

technical difficulty was divine censorship

[kellys2deryck]

i dont know if i'm going crazy, but starting from 2:03, Dan Choi might be saying something against the agendas of the illuminatis.... so they just "take it out" by faking some technical difficulty.

[Poochalot]

Amazing how the same bigot is on this video with his infantile crusade against Dan Choi.

[rodeo999]

Lokiyan, Obviously you and the 75% with empirical data have never been in the Military.

One of the things that happens is the enlisted folks do everything together. Living arrangements, SHOWERS and other communal things. It's a little unnerving when you have an excited enlisted person in the shower with you and they are excited. I guess this wouldn't bother you but it is considered by many to be unwanted sexual attention. You and the 75% with empirical data are idiots.

[lokiyan]

@jessemckay Good to know you're part of the 25% of the country that doesn't have a problem with Don't Ask Don't Tell. Fortunately, 75% of us, with empirical data to back us, think that if you're being shot at during war, you wouldn't care less whether the person next to you, defending you and fighting with you, loves men or women.

[jessemckay]

Dan Choi should be in prison right now and for at least 10 years.

Rachel Maddow seems to think that the military should be an all-skate, and there are many different types of exclusions that should be made, not just anyone and everyone who is actively homosexual. Somewhere along the path, we forgot to draw a distinction between a person who commits homosexual deeds and a person who is/was homosexual oriented. I personally reject the dogma of innate homosexuality.

[TheBlueMadonna]

@jessemckay Could you please explain this to me? I dont really know what you mean.

[jessemckay]

@TheBlueMadonna

Rachel Maddow (the MSNBC host) seems to think (won't verbalize, but this appears to be her core opinion) that the military (the US Armed Services) should be an all-skate (should be an institution that any person can join, like a stamp club), and there are many different types of exclusions that should be made (physical, emotional, intellectual, psychological, social, moral, and many others)...

[jessemckay]

@TheBlueMadonna

(cont.) not just anyone and everyone who is actively homosexual (who has not just an inclination toward homosexuality but who is sexually active with members of the same gender). Somewhere along the path (probably 1993 or so) we (American leaders, and presumably the public who continues to elect them) forgot (were duped by the gay mafia) to draw a distinction (to properly categorize) between...

[jessemckay]

@TheBlueMadonna

(cont.) a person who commits homosexual deeds (one who exhibits homosexual bnehavior) and a person who is/was homosexual oriented (one who is or was gay but is able to live the life of a soldier in celibacy). I personally (the author of this note) reject (believe to be untrue) the dogma (strong belief) of innate homosexuality (that a person who is gay was born gay, was destined from birth to be a homosexual, and is forever bound to that lifestyle.)

[jessemckay]

@TheBlueMadonna

Dan Choi (the subject of this YouTube video) should (of good cause ought to) be in prison (be confined in a military penal facility such as the one in Leavenworth, Kansas) right now and for at least ten years (immediately, and for a term not less than 10 calendar years with a stipuilation of no parole).

Choi broke his military oath by publicly challenging policy and thus wasted the taxpayers' time and money. He has taken the king's coin and attacked the king.

[crispybacon100]

So when is Jesse Venturas new book going to be coming out about this situation lol.

[jolly113]

why can't officers follow ORDERS??? KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

[jennananaa]

I just heard him speak today at my school. Great speaker. Very inspirational. And he was also very logical about the ridiculousness behind the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. I think it's absurd that a person has to lie about who they are in order to serve the country they love.

And he actually said his parents are very supportive of him. He even joked that he thinks his mother is more upset with his brother for marrying a white woman haha

[asiantrolls]

I wonder how his strict conservative Korean parents think of having a queer son... haha - Koreans are douches.

[frackle]

@asiantrolls Koreans are literally the best gay Koreans are the best human beings conceivable

[MusicforMe123]

Nobody will give you anything unless you ask, and Dan Choi is asking, you have to respect a man that lost everything on principle.

[desertls1]

Correction, he should be a Captain in the Guard, not a Lieutenant. So why didn't he make Captain?

[Geostars]

Why didn't you? You sanctimonious finger wagging coward. So easy to sneer and smear and attack from behind a keyboard or under a white sheet with a pointy hat.

[desertls1]

Dan Choi violated the UCMJ for speaking out against a Presidential Policy while still serving in uniform, and he did in a public venue. Regardless of sexuality or the issue at hand. You can't do it. And why is he only a lieutenant? He graduated in 2003. That means he owed 5 years on active duty, meaning he should have been a Captain at the date of this video, and still serving on Active Duty, not in the Guard. Sounds like Dan Choi is just another Erin Watada. A disgrace.

[Plato86]

Agreed. The officer class tends to attract unsavory elements, usually those with political aspirations. You will never find homosexuals among the real grunts.

[Geostars]

Gays are everywhere you ignorant buffoon. You're about on the same level as Ahmadinejad, "There are no gays in Iran".

[Plato86]

Not among the enlisted, and if they are there it is one or two or them. Nothing significant. I will leave the childish name calling to you.

[xboltagex]

@Plato86

I'm sure you mean that the gays in the military currently aren't open about their sexualities, since they'd get fired. Otherwise, where the hell do you think all of these gay people are coming from? Do you think they join for two days, then get fired for coming out as gay? They're established, working men and women in the Army and I can bet you anything that THOUSANDS of them are keeping their lips tightly shut to keep their jobs and their positions defending their country.

[Plato86]

Can you read, I said there were very few gays among the enlisted, meaning the people who actually fight rather than give orders. There are gays in the military and they are among the officers, the guys who take credit for the hard won battles of the rank and file. Hate to break it too you but the real grunts want nothing to do with homosexuals, nothing.

[xboltagex]

@Plato86

Very few OUT gays, because they get fired. Where the hell are your statistics coming from anyway? If anything, there would be more of them as basic soldiers than officers.

[Plato86]

How could there be more gays among the enlisted, when it is the enlisted that actually fight? Get real, all the outed gay military people are officers, as officers tend not to fight and earn their rank in school.

[WhoaKaela]

@Plato86 You have no idea because they keep quiet. lol One of my best friends is a HUGE army guy who fights on the front lines. Everything about him is straight except that he has a boyfriend waiting for him when he gets home.

[sinaain]

@Plato86

I just had a big laugh about you posting this nonsense under the name of Plato. It is kind of ironic, isn't it, that somebody named Plato thinks gays can't fight while the real Plato believed that gay men were braver than non-gay men. Just read the symposion.

[Plato86]

Read "The Republic" and tell me what Plato has to say about homosexual. Hint, it is not good.

[sinaain]

@Plato86 In the republic Plato says that you shouldn't indulge in any sexual intercourse which isn't meant to result in pregnancy, which includes gay sex but also every straight sex which hasn't the goal pregnancy, since all that is wasting one's seed. It isn't about gay love. The republic is a very theoretical, ideological, it is a formulation of an utopia and often conflicts with other things Plato wrote, like plenty of things approving of homosexuality, love poems to his male lovers ect.

[Plato86]

Plato also wrote in "The Laws" that homosexuality was wrong, at best he is inconsistent on homosexuality, at worst hostile toward it. Aristotle on the other hand clearly approved of homosexuality, as he hated women. Even in the materials you cite to support the idea that Plato was in favor of homosexuality there is a clear message that a man should not actually engage in sex with a boy , hence the term "platonic relationship." You were suppose to mentor them, not sodomize them.

[BGDPPL]

you are such a moron

there were over 400 gay people kickd out the usa military in 2009

and over 600 the year b4 that

you cannot have that many people kickd out every single year and then say there are no gays in the military

your insane

[Geostars]

You are a disgrace and a coward for smearing a courageous US military veteran who stands up for his own dignity and self worth. Just another foaming at the mouth keyboard hate monger F#X "News" wannabe.

[Myriad727]

Kudos to Lt. Dan Choi - it's brave to stand up for what you believe knowing how dire the consequences may be.

AND DON'T FORGET - He is an Iraq War combat veteran. My guess is most of you are not. Show some respect.

[saintfletcher]

The Australian military abolished discrimination of gays in the military in the military as a matter of affirming national security. There should be no secrets from the military which could undermine its security making it vulnerable. If a soldier is vulnerable by a secret, then this disables the whole unit, as the soldier is susceptible to blackmail. Gay soldiers do a great job, always have since Alexander the Great.

[saintfletcher]

Choi should be exonerated or telling the truth about himself. He is no longer vulnerable to blackmail and he still keeps confidentiality when it comes to his professional capacity as a military man. He has said nothing which compromises the integrity of the military, or the safety of their security. Quite the opposite. It affirms his solidity.

[mcdade1984]

koreans are pretty gay, Lived there and it is the truth,

[mikevets68]

racist comment

[mcdade1984]

not really, I dont look down on Japanese, Chinese, or any other asian cultures. Just Koreans.

Koreans are very hostile towards all foreigners.

[cigar1972]

This gentleman left the military of his own accord in order to spark this debate. The military was not "investigating his sexuality" as Rachel implied. He drew the attention to his sexuality intentionally, clearly violating the "don't tell" policy of which he was fully aware. Maybe one day our military will be more sensitive to the feelings of individuals, but traditionally what they want is soldiers who follow the rules regardless of personal agenda.

[sondano]

i.e. they want brainless robots. this is why I hate all militaries ever created in human history. And no wonder it's mainly a male invention

[by2004]

there are tons of gay korean men living in denial. of course the majority of these are in the old country. so good for him that he came out. i wonder how his parents feel though. koreans are anal retentive (no pun intended) and are so uptight it ain't funny at all.

[NomadicAddict]

If Choi was so concerned about lying... then why did he join the military in the first place, knowing its policy on homosexuality?

Could it be that he thought it was safe to come out of the closet because the Democrats now have a lot of clout in Washington DC?

What Choi seems to have forgotten is that until the policies are changed, he and others like him are held accountable to the current policies and standards.

[itswhatwelooklike]

While an individual can have standards about truth and honor even from a young age, one cannot always know one's sexuality at a set time in life. Thinking that everyone has their sexuality figured out by the time they're 18 would be an understatement. That the US military can be so advanced in training our young people but be so out of touch when it comes to understanding their unfolding sexuality at that age is a travesty.

[magiorey]

drats! I bet there WAS someone pulled the plug on that interview...

[TsukiGeek]

Shoot, well it STARTED fascinating. I'll have to tune in tomorrow. Thanks for posting this!