I'm going to respond to this in a sincere and mature way even though I no it will go unnoticed. If a woman chooses to harm her child it is different in the same way that kicking a dog is animal abuse but putting it to sleep is humane. Furthermore why would any mother want to deform her baby? It seems any mother not wanting a child would abort it and any mother who did want their child wouldn't take that drug in the first place. People don't even take that drug anymore...
do i believe foetus is just a human floating meat....NO
do i believe that by abortion u r tking a life? YES
am i pro choice? YES!
i can never argue with pro life guys coz they tend to argue in lines of "whether its moral or not".people,we all have done things which are right for us...practicality before morality. when we kill animals.. its either to eat or hunt...when we break an egg open to fry it whats that? when we wage war..it is collateral damage... we have been doing it for centuries!
I use to be pro choice until I murdered my own baby. Its not something you want to live with. Anyone who says it doesnt bother them is only trying to convince themselves of that. You will always remember things you missed. First step, tooth, birthdays, school, driving, dating, marriage, grandkids etc.
@skiterz I'm really sorry that you regret your abortion, I mean that. There are places you can go for counseling and help with things like that, if you so choose-
But you shouldn't beat yourself up, or call yourself a murderer. That's not right or healthy.
I'm a nurse, a mother, a wife, and a volunteer counselor for victims of domestic abuse and LGBT teens who have been kicked out/beaten/raped by family members- and I'm also post-abortive and pro-choice- even pro-your choice to -c
-c t- regret your abortion. If you need to talk about anything I am more than willing to talk. I'm actually looking to get into pregnancy/abortion counseling b/c of my experience in these things. I can't imagine what it must be like to feel such regret & self-blame, and as a woman and humanitarian, it is my duty to help where I can. IF these comments are approved, please respond either way.
I want to build bridges between pro-choice, pro-life, and post-abortion. We ALL have a voice.
There's always something quaint about 2 men debating women's human rights to abortion access. Anti-choice men have got to go. When they get pregnant they should let us know: we'll see how they enjoy being coerced into 9 months of pregnancy against their will. The best argument for abortion access would actually to force all those anti-choicers to carry to term a fetus against their will. Because you think anti-choicers never have abortions? Think again! Sooo many of them do, it's amazing.
HAVE HER CAKE AND EAT IT! HOW DARE THESE MEN SAY SUCH A THING A mother who wants a baby will not want to harm it by taking drugs?! Are they mad! A mother has a right if she has been raped or cannot sustain her child to abort it rather than bringing into the world with hate or with guilt.... I think that this is a womens argument not a man's unless he is a husband... if these men where husbands and went throught the truma of aborting a child then they wouldnt make such sexist remarks
"We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions. The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception." -Bernard Nathanson a founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).
Pro-abortion refuse to see that the fetus is a human being and we have no business massacring it.
Imagine if your mother aborted you! You wouldn't be alive today reading this. It makes me wince every time i think about never being born if my mother chose to abort me for the sake of "convenience" or whatever excuse the next pro-choicer uses. Whether the fetus is a life or not, that baby will never be born if it is aborted.
Ha ha Your morning sickness treatment argument has nothing to do with a need for abortion. Spousal abuse is about assault on a partner not abortion. Forcing motherhood is about slavery.
Since a soul is undefinable you cannot use it as a basis for anything including 'dead body'.
Only an idiot would ask if abortions are OK morally why reduce them - nobody likes medical procedures. A fetus is not human? It is the same species as its host. What is your interest in other peoples personal decisions?
@Salinity1001 Great rebuttal! The treatment for morning sickness would be wrong because at some point the fetus will be born. The mother has made the CHOICE to carry the pregnancy to term and thus well, if she has made that choice she should probably make some attempts at not harming what will eventually become a full-grown adult. But a fetus is not an adult. If the woman early in her pregnancy to end it, that is her choice. This whole video is a joke.
@hammerogod Sure but then again who has an abortion at 9 months just for the heck of it? Your point makes no sense because those cases never occur. Roe vs. Wade insures access to abortion until viability, which is about 23-24 weeks. Most abortions though occur much, much earlier. 90% of abortions occur during the 1st trimester (by week 12). I think at this early stage it is totally a woman's choice.
the counterargument to the morning sickness argument is very simple too - the reason she can abort a fetus but not harm it is because by harming it, a deformed fetus would be born, and that would be cruel to it once it is born.
..nothing i haven't heard before, and utterly decimated with a single sweep of verbal nuclear-warfare.. thank you, education- i remain pro-choice for another day.
Sorry, but a fetus is not, cannot, ever be equated to the woman carrying it- it exists BECAUSE of her- it is IN her, not floating next to her.. it CAN'T be adopted, it CAN'T think, it ISN'T a person.. it is just human meat.
If the woman wants it gone, then let her get rid of it. WOMEN can think and feel- fetuses just float/grow.
Oh i see now, at first i was like, this video is ridiculous! These arguments sound like there coming from an elementary school, but i realized part way through it was just a pro bush republican rant.
If you don't believe in abortions then don't get an abortion, but that doesn't give you the right to say that other people shouldn't be allowed to get them.
If believe that eating meat is wrong, I won't eat meat, but I have no right to tell you not to eat meat as well.
@ChloeTheBear Rights are what each society define them to be. If a society wants to regulate and restrict the personal behavior of its members, it can do so. In several countries, they recognize the right of the unborn person as trumping the right of the mother to terminate that life. While I cannot individually impose what I believe is a right, I can do so collectively by influencing the laws of my country.
@godyah Ok a women has every right to be angry when raped but she can't kill the child. The child didn't do anything. Plus she could've fought back you know. She could also put the baby up for adoption and bless that child with s loving family.
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@wonbyamile man that's in a completely different ball game dude. We kill animals to eat for our life we literally can not live without food and would like protein without the food where as abortion the mom is killing her own baby against her will.
IF a woman becomes pregnant, the end result is a healthy infant at birth. Anything leading up to that birth should conspire to a healthy person, and I insist this should start before conception, make sure parents with hereditary afflictions don't pass these on; that is be child abuse. But if I were born (hypothetically) with a severe disability I would prefer to have been aborted and have a sibling without disability to be born. For me it's simple - I made SURE I can't have any babies.
What is so special about a human life? Other animals eat their young when they do not want to take care of them. Perhaps you should leave people alone instead of proving that it is human.
Great job! Abortion killing is an EVIL, no other way to describe the Murdering of another Human Being. This country and all others who have legalized the slaughterinf of innocent life will have to pay dearly! Taxpayers should not have to fund this atrocity! Stand Up People! The Evildoers are getting rich on Killing Human Beings. Innocent Babies given the Death sentence because they were conceived!! SHAME!!
A doctor would advise against it because she would understand (like most reasonable people, not this shill) that a woman who wants a baby would want to keep it healthy. This is completely different when the woman doesn't want it any longer. This arguement is ridiculous, in a free and open society abortion should be legal. The fetus doesn't care, why do you?
@DeathByTarantula The issue isn't whether or not a mother should have the right to an abortion, the issue is whether or not abortion is right. Just because mothers have the right doesn't make it right. A mother still has the right to kill her baby outside her womb, but that would be murder. So why should it be right for a mother to kill her baby on the inside?
@SoldierOfChrist110 Actually, it has a lot to do with the woman's rights because most pro-lifers want to make it illegal, and once it's illegal, it isn't a right anymore.
Women's rights have EVERYTHING to do with the debate on abortion.
And I have the right not to be an incubator. I guess I'd be one of those few where the fact that it's a human life doesn't matter - my rights are in question, and my rights come before the baby's until it can live outside my body.
When the baby is outside your body it still cannot care for itself (until it is much older) so I guess in your reasoning it would be okay to kill your 6 month old who cannot live without your assistance. I guess we can only hope you never have kids or work in childcare.
Exellent video. Atheist here to say abortion is not a religious issue! Right to life applies to everyone including the unborn. yes that's right, it even includes potential life(which starts at fertilization).
A fetus and a baby are two different things. By Canadian law (I understand this is American but I'm Canadian) a fetus is not a baby untill it has taken it's first breath, and seeing as there is no air in the womb an unborn fetus is not a baby.
@AutopsyOmg Changing a definition does NOT change the being into something other than a human baby. By your reasoning we can pass a law and put you to death calling YOU a fetus.
@AutopsyOmg a baby in the womb a week before delivery is not much different than it would be at birth. other than the fact that it breathed air. and a baby still requires air the mom breathes in to pass on to the child. if a baby comes out of the womb not being able to breath is it still a fetus? what about if it needs machines to give it air?
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
RE Pro abortion Romans 1vs 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
RE Pro abotion Romans 1vs 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
If men could get pregnant then it would be a different story. Men if you hate a woman to get an abortion. Then be responsible to make sure she does not get pregnant in the first place. And those that choose to keep the baby don't complain if she is on welfare to take care of that baby. This is an issue that came legal under a Republican president Nixon. Lets have laws to make Sure those born are not denied Free Healthcare when parents can't pay.
@MegaELECTRICEYE What the pro abortionists cannot see, is that the unborn baby is NOT a gop of goop, but a lioving soul. In other words, abortion is the taking of an innocent life. Oh yeah: Adoption: Please look that word up, and know that there are people lined up to adopt. Easier just to kill 'it' right? I just wish every mother to be would get ot hear the baby's heartbeat before going that route
Sound and irrefutable arguments. Notice that those who disagree don't say why they disagree, they just resort to ridicule and mocking. Typical response of the narrow minded and callous. "Lord have mercy."
LOL!!! They openly say that their arguments are aimed at people on the street, not academics as if that's a good thing. Too bad the academics are the ones who actually educated and do research and study these things professionally, where as people on the street are uneducated and can be convinced of anything.
how do we defeat the pro abortion argument??? in which country??? if you live in America women get to chose? where is Todd wretched when they do decide to have the baby??? Todd is not there when this baby needs a blanket or some food .but he will be there to call them wretched... this man needs to focus on his own family because if Todd is saying that the world is wretched why doesn't he start focusing on his own wretched family, and leave Americans alone that do not want to share Todd beliefs.
The "Thalidomide" comeback is a simple reductio ad absurdum. It;s not "having their cake and eating it" because a doctor has a responsibility to minimise potential suffering for her patients. Abortions if performed should be as quick and painless as possible. Also, what mother would willingly take thalidomide if she wanted a healthy baby? The idea is that you maximise quality of life if a baby is to be born, and minimise suffering if it is not.
I pity those whom only see abortion as "killing an innocent life". I pity those that have no idea the negative effects they are have on our ecosystem, our very source of life. I pity those whom think only in self-interest, and self-importance. I pity those whom waste time debating whether or not a fetus is a human and do nothing about the children that are dying from poverty today. I pity those whom are easily manipulated by these people and their guilt tactics. I pity mankind
Great video! These two guys definitely know their stuff.
However, I wish they would have been sitting instead of standing. Todd is freakishly tall and Scott looks like a dwarf in comparison. If they were sitting the size difference would not be so distracting.
Their size may be useful when discussing abortion. Is Scott less valuable than Todd because he's shorter? Do you have to be a certain height to be considered human?
well first off i would like to say that i agree with your argument and i support and agree with a lot of stuff you said, however i think your arguments would be a lot stronger from a philosophical and scientific approach rather then a religious one it seems to me that people dismiss pro life right off the bat without the arguments just because of religious implications. which in tern defeats the point of the argument.
@dgoren1 Here's the way I see it: The fetus is either a massive blob of nothingness, or it's a life. One or the other. If it's just a massive blob of nothingness, then abortion wouldn't be needed to end its life. I agree with you, btw.
@kjimho Really? How do you explain the hundreds of cave drawings,paintings and references to them throughout ancient history? Just vivid imaginations?
@dgoren1 Murder and killing are two different terms completely, two completely different contexts. As are the words, human, person, fetus, baby, born, and alive. If you know anything about the english language or the circumstances of fetal development, and a woman's reasoning behind abortion, you cannot POSSIBLY say abortion is murder.. w/o lying. Lying about the words used and saying they mean something else, lying about the woman in question.. lying about the fetus you try to 'protect'.
Lastly, i am a mother, a wife, and a nurse for the handicapped and elderly. I am also post-abortive, and pro-choice. B/c of my political stance, I often get insulted, lied to/about, accused falsely of many things, or just labelled a liar or crazy. Nobody ever gives me anything but open hostility and shit b/c I am pro-choice, and nothing i say, b/c I am pro-choice, is ever respected or considered. W/ this experience in mind, lasting YEARS, I think all pro'life'rs are hypocrites w/o humanity.
-c to ahve a child, she wouldn't be getting an abortion. Adoption is good an all, but not everyone HAS the LUXURY of sitting there fat and happy and fine, waiting 9 excruciating months. You like to call these women lazy or selfish- it's easy to blow off someone's feelings and needs by dehumanizing them into fire-breathing dragons who 'hate babies'.. but it is a survival instinct bone-deep to reproduce ONLY when ready/willing.. Just b/c it happens, doesn't mean you have to love/accept it.
-c I'll hope my comments GET approved, and not shot down, and thus continue. It is a number of circumstances that make a fetus next to worthless when compared to the woman carrying it- b/c it is only a potentiality, nothing more. Pro'life'rs try to pretend all aborted fetuses were going to be the next cancer cure, ect.. but the argument goes both ways- einstein, hitler, same difference- you don't know. But you do know how the woman feels, and dude- consider that, if she was READY to have -c
Human dna does not a person make. The woman was there first, the embryo/fetus cannot be adopted until AFTER it is born, and the developing human in question cannot think or feel or have any memories.. if it, bluntly put(and coldly, too, i'm love-tired of trying to be nice when arguing against any anti-woman when all I get back are insults and derision) it is worthless compared to an actual born person. The only thing that gives a human worth in the womb is if it is WANTED by the woman carrying.
one question..you have a christian marriage with a nice christian wife and you all live in a happy christian town, then your daughter gets raped gets pregnant, does that baby have a right to life? would you want your daughter to have to live with a constant reminder of the worst experience of her life?
@MrTrumajo Hello good sir. Here is my answer. keeping religion out of it, considering I am an atheist, although I obviously would not choose for my daughter to have to birth a child caused by a rape this fact still does not address the most important issue. The issue is that if the unborn child is a human then abortion is murder. Now you may say that there are some situations in that murder is okay. Maybe this is one of them.
@MrTrumajo Um... she's ALWAYS going to be reminded about it. This comes from first hand experience. Murdering the baby that resulted from the rape doesn't magically make it go away, nor does it make it any better. Murdering the baby will only put more guilt and depression on her.
@amanda2324 "Murdering the baby will only put more guilt and depression on her". Your personal experience does not generalise across the whole spectrum of humanity. What about those that have the baby and see their rapist every time they look into their child's eyes? Or put it into foster care and create yet more unwanted kids in the world? It's the woman's right to decide; her bodily autonomy is tantamount -especially- if she has been violated by rape
@MrTrumajo well, the good thing about it the baby have d.n.a that can pin point who is rapist is didn't you think about that? and you know that the baby did nothing wrong. God forbid if that ever happend to anyone from rape that what i think the person should to.
@Sueezee1 Yep, you've nailed me to the wall. Exercising my right to moderate comments to keep the foul language off the channel because the darkness not only hates the light but curses it.
If there is no God but evolution&we have this only one mortal life, then all humans should be allowed to be born to live this one life to the fullest extent. Since human beings are the highest evolved creatures known in the universe, then we should be the most priviledged to live "one life", no ifs,ands,or buts about it.If there is no after-life, then killing our un-born is depriving them of their one&only chance to live.This is a shame&evil even for evolution.
Looking at abortion through the eyes of Christianity, the souls of these aborted un-born go to heaven. However in evolution since there is no after-life their "ONLY ONE LIFE"is snuffed out. How is this survival of the fittest? It looks like in evolution there are the lucky ones&the unlucky ones. Would the fully rational point of view would be to let every human be born to try to live as long as possible to enjoy the one mortal life they have since man is the most evolved creature in evolution?
There is no such thing as a "pro-abortion" argument. No one is running around touting the benefits of abortion as a method of birth control. No one is saying "abortions for everyone!"
Yet the anti-choice crowd would have the government interfere in private affairs. They would insist on sweeping legislation that fails to take into account individual needs and patient privacy in favor of potentially harming mothers, and forcing births that are recognized to be unsurvivable from early in the womb.
@puffballandres IF THESE PRO-CHOICE PEOPLE ARE SO CONCERNED WITH POPULATION AND STARVING PROBLEMS, IS ABORTION (SACRAFICING THE UNBORN) TRULY GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? HELL NO! ABORTION HAS BEEN LEGAL FOR OVER 40 YEARS, EXACTLY HOW DID IT HELP???/ P.S. PEOPLE IN THIRD WORLD ARE STARVING BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN GOV'T, ALSO, THEY DO NOT HAVE PROPER EQUIPTMENT TO MAINTAIN THIER FARMS AND EDUCATION, BUT WE'D RATHER PUT A BANDAGE ON THAT, RIGHT?
@carmel350 If people are so damn concerned with overpopulation in this country, then they should support enforcing border security, and throwing out all undocumented people in America. I cannot speak for the entire world, but in NORTH America, unrestricted immigration is the prime cause for overpopulation.
@puffballandres Pro-Choice is Pro-Abortion, giving people the choice allows for the death of members of the human race, basing (being pro-choice) of this off actions taken by other people is unjust, and immoral.
i would also like to inform you of a few more things dealing with population growth and "starvation" i can assure you, abortion is not helping one bit in this, for 2 main reasons
1) abortion is not safe in those area, or wildly practiced where it is "needed"
Anyone with something called common sense is 100% pro-choice. Whether you think a fetus is a human or not is irrelevant; the mother is a full-grown human being with a conscious capable of making decisions and feeling emotions, and scientific evidence shows that a fetus cannot do this! And yet anti-abortion idiots want to protect the fetus over the mother's rights! Use some logic people!
@dmcarefuldriver You mean "Anyone with something called common sense is 100% pro-Life. Whether you Know a fetus is a human or not is relevant; the mother is a full-grown human being Who has been lied to by planned parenthood.. and scientific evidence shows that a fetus IS HUMAN And yet Pro-abortion idiots want to IGNORE! the fetus over the mother's rights! Use some logic people!
Pro-Choice is PRO DEATH. Life starts at conception according to science PERIOD!
@CatholicCreed Life starts before conception. Just because something isn't a developing fetus doesn't mean it's not a live. Why, even the millions of sperm cells that die on the journey to the egg are alive. If you guys are trying to protect these potential babies you are doing a bad job.
@MetalliCxZero YES, THE SPERM IS ALIVE AND SO IS THE EGG, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TO CREATE A HUMAN BEING! BUT THE LIVING SPERM BY ITSELF IS NOT A HUMAN BEING, IT HAS POTENCIAL OF BECOMING A HUMAN BEING BY HOOKING UP WITH THE EGG.....SO, WHAT DON'T YOU GET?
@dmcarefuldriver So your logic says if you cannot make decisions or feel emotions, you are not human. How about the severely mentally retarded? Can we go ahead and kill them? And you say a right of the mother is more important to the life of a person? You were a "fetus" or were you a baby? When did you make the transition? You, my friend, are an idiot. Say hi to Grandma for me- she must be proud!
@Rowenawhite Just because we don't think a vagina is a killing license doesn't men we don't care about the women. Prolifers never espoused that the life of the unborn is superior to the mother's, but rather that they are equal.
Gammon, no. This video shows we are killing human beings. All other arguments go out the window unless you can prove that the unborn is not human, and does not have a right to life. Period.
These two bozos are just setting up straw men for each other to knock down. It's easy to win an argument if the other guy is misrepresenting the opposition.
There's one major legal issue they didn't bother to address. In already born people who are on life support and can't survive without it the next of kin have the right to "pull the plug". A fetus (especially in early stages) is completely dependent on the "life support" from the mother and can't survive without it. Since you can't prove that the fetus will be born alive then the next of kin (i.e. the mother) should have the right to decide whether to continue the support. Cold but a valid point.
I am prochoice all the way. I support abortions. But not LATE TERM abortions. There is a period of time where the fetus is a parasite and lives off of someone. But when it comes down to the 8 month of life that is a little cruel. But back to being prochoice. If we did take away the choice of having abortions how many women would commit suicide? Think about it. If you were raped and ended up pregnant or if you simply couldn't handel it but you couldn't get an abortion wouldn't you want to die?
By your logic, there exist n such the n is the day when the child finally has the right to its life, but why not n-1? Why is n significant, and not n-1? The 8th month of life is irrelevant. if it is cruel by month 8, why not month 8 minus a day?
Also, if it is a parasite, day m, why not day m+1? The number does not determine the rights. Your argument is invalid according to mathematics.
By your logic, there exist n such the n is the day when the child finally has the right to its life, but why not n-1? Why is n significant, and not n-1? The 8th month of life is irrelevant. if it is cruel by month 8, why not month 8 minus a day?
Also, if it is a parasite, day m, why not day m+1? The number does not determine the rights. Your argument is invalid according to mathematics.
@JeffreeStarismyidol There's this thing called the slippery slope. We're seeing this. It means we say, alright, no abortions after three months. Eventually we go, four months, six months, eight months, alright, as soon as they're born. So now you can kill a baby. Sounds wonderful right? Doesn't matter what your opinion on when abortion can take place is, we will inevitably slip into killing new borns which we can all agree is wrong.
I support abortion if the woman is raped and she wants to get the egg flushed the same week that happened. But if she had sex? She's now willingly accepting the possible consequences of sex. Sex exist for the very purpose of reproducing the species. Parasites are foreign agents, but babies are the same exact genetic material as their two hosts. Your thoughts?
My biggest issue with his argument is that he seems more focused on discrediting the pro-choice opinion than ending abortion. If we end abortion the need for abortion, won't we all be happy? If people who are pro-life would support the movement to reduce abortions, rather than sneer at working together with people who are pro-choice (and apparently sinners) then maybe we could get something done instead of just arguing a moot point.
LIFE STARTS AT CONCEPTION?? AT BIRTH? WHO CARES!!! IF a woman wants to kill a fetus (or whatever the hell you want to call it) then shes gonna do it. The quesiton is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? Are you going to force a woman to have a baby?? YOULL NEVER DO IT!! NEVER!! IT WILL BE CALLED FACISM!! You cant say taking care of a sick person is immoral with state money, but then turn around and say oh but taking care of a fetus is moral. Its qualifying who lives and who dies!
You want to stop women from aboting their babies, get rid of money! Watch "Zeitgeist Moving Forward". The #1 reason women have abortions is money ie;financial instability and single parent.
@boumar19721972 "Get rid of money" Mmmmmkay.... and how do you propose we do that...? I think a more realistic option would be to subsidize children, that's what we do here in the Netherlands, but I know lots of Americans think that's like communism or something.
@1:16 beucase the women taking the drug want to keep the thing!
People say that sluts should own up to their responsibilities but isn't that kinda cruel that your life was meant as a punishment for safe sex? And either the mother is crap to the kid or shoves it off to over crowded and under funded foster care. Now some may say "rather that then never being alive"
Lets make it right and eat the fetus after the abortion that way the human life has a chance to give back to soceity a little bit. Everyone wins because human life is not completely wasted, and the mother choses whether she wants eat or keep her baby. We could open eat or keep hospital/diners, with cheifs and docters working together to create that perfect balance of life and death.
@PUPPYBEATER09 Umm...err...no offense but that logic is kinda...creepy. I honestly don't think that a life's value is determined by society, but rather that society's value is determined by what it can do for lives.
There is a fundamental difference between deforming a fetus and killing a fetus: killing a fetus means an end to the development before celebral development starts, so before feeling, thinking, imagining, loving, etc. It's ending a possibility of a human life before the actual life starts (much like condoms...) Deforming a fetus without killing it means that you are ruining the life of a future human. The fetus will develop into a human that will suffer greatly from the initial deformation.
@cniglari Your fallacy is equivocation -- you refer to the very same person in both cases, and you fail to provide any reason why you accept the killing of that person, but not the harming of that person.
Two GUYS duscussing the right of women and fetuses.
Killing a 12week fetus is terrible, but if it grows up to be disrespectful you may kill it ??????
Leviticus 20:9. For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him
Proverbs 30:17. The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.
In the US aborting a phoetus before it has the ability to develope into a concious being is considered murder but sending a seventeen year old child off to get killed in Iraq or Afghanistan is perfectly all right. That makes sense.
Also, do contries that make war and allow death sentence feel bad for killing other humans? as opposite to fetuses, these killed people are born, well formed, already living human beings! disgusting speech these ones against abortion!!
they are really stupid. were men the ones to get pregnant, abortion would never be an issue!!
what i hate most is the agrument: "they say the woman has a choice, but what about the baby's choice?" simple, the FETUS has no choice: it starts at a very small bunch of cells. in the early stages, only by dna you can identify it is a human fetus, because it looks like a dolphin or a monkey fetus as well in shape and development stages. do they care that much for killing dolphins and monkeys?
I truly believe a woman has the right to do what she feels is best for herself. Of course everything depends on the bloody circumstances, if you're a slut then yes you need to face the consequences, but if you were raped, if you're life is in danger, if you cannot for the life of you support that child then you should have no obligations to take care of it. It's your life, who gives what others think, even the bible says to love one self.
For starter the Doctor would orescribe the drug because it would cause lasting harm to a person, just like a doctor won't prescribe drugs that would do harm to you. On the other hand an abortion simple removes a few developing cells that may or may not become a person. Many pregnancies fail before the end of the first trimester so there is not gaurantee that any given pregnancy will result in a child.
@JamesThWilliams Your fallacy is known as "equivocation," for you are talking about the very same person in both cases. Again, there is no good reason to claim that it's okay to kill that person, but not okay to harm that person.
@1GodOnlyOne theres a few i can list off on you the guy in the glasses at the beggining thinks doctors control what mothers do when they are pregnant, like "you cant take this drug because it will deform the baby" the only reason anyone would take that advise is because they care about their child and want a healthy baby. a person getting an abortion doesnt want the child and will probably be abuseive to the child. he also says a body without a "sole" is a corpse and a sole is a religious thing-
@Bobanamanamo He didn't because he can't. He can't because there are none. His fallacy is the appeal to emotion, unbacked by any valid argument, or any argument at all, really.
@mica410 There's no fallacies in his argument you only think of them as as fallacies because you either think the baby isn't alive yet or have no rights. But if you think rightfully so the baby is human than there are no fallacies.
@mica410 There's no fallacies in his argument you only think of them as fallacies because you either think the baby isn't alive yet or have no rights. But if you think rightfully so the baby is human than there are no fallacies.
@mica410 There's no fallacies in his argument you only think of them as fallacies because you either think the baby isn't alive yet or have no rights. But if you think rightfully so the baby is human then there are no fallacies.
@mica410 I don't see them and I've done some unstructured study into both logic and abortion. I'll tell you what: Dr. Peter Kreeft has a 12-step argument against abortion which has never been defeated. You can google it or youtube search it (but IMO it's easier if you read it) if you like. Dr. Kreeft would really love someone to defeat it, btw, so he can be pro-choice (because it is easier). You can have a crack at it, if you like!
NO ONE is pro-abortion. No one WANTS an abortion. Once I see you believe that, I instantly stop listening because you have no idea what you're talking about.
i only believe in abortion if it is endangering the mother. it should not be used as a process to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy. if they had a pregnancy they should have practiced safe sex and learned the consequences. it should be a last resort if someone is going to die
@chillaxer1993 In truly life threatening cases, where the mother is likely to die - could we say instead of "get an abortion" maybe say "We do whatever we can do save the mom, and if the baby dies in the process then we mourn that fact". This way we acknowledge the fact that the unborn baby is still a baby, still a human life - not just a piece of tissue that we can get rid of. - Just a thought
Evicting a baby a woman no longer consents to carrying is not a violation of the Non-Coercion Principle, unlike enslaving another person. The coercive position of these two is on the same side as slave-owners, violating the Non-Coercion Principle.
Your dismissal of arguing that women have the right to determine if another human being can occupy their body is poor. When you asked the Doctor if she would have proscribed thalidomide for morning sickness I would have responded no, not because it would harm the child but because it would be unsafe for her. That's just a silly argument. By your logic I should legally be able to remove your kidney if my life is in danger.
@voceangeli REMOVAL of a Organ is different then, maintaining a healthly lifestyle so that a child can be born. Not really a hard concept. Why would I be the cause of your death. I'm not actively killing you, i'm not putting you in an environment that would certainly cause you death. Didn't realize you automatically lose a kidney when you are pregnant either. If your going to use hypotheticals you have to make it relevant. A hypothetical that would be closer would be...
about that morning sickness meds crap: it is perfectly ethical to choose not to have a baby. it is NOT ethical to act in such a way as to significantly increase the risk of having a deformed baby.
@andrewridgway Yes it is perfectly ethical to choose not to have a baby. They can choose not to have a baby by either not having sex or honing up to the RISKS of having sex! The baby isn't put there by magic! It's your choice why its there! don't blame the baby for ruining your life. When you have sex you are automatically saying that you are fine with the risks that come with sex. how would someone be able to abort something that has their DNA and allow it to be thrown in the garbage?
I'm going to respond to this in a sincere and mature way even though I no it will go unnoticed. If a woman chooses to harm her child it is different in the same way that kicking a dog is animal abuse but putting it to sleep is humane. Furthermore why would any mother want to deform her baby? It seems any mother not wanting a child would abort it and any mother who did want their child wouldn't take that drug in the first place. People don't even take that drug anymore...
SanAndreasRobbePlay 1 week ago
do i believe foetus is just a human floating meat....NO
do i believe that by abortion u r tking a life? YES
am i pro choice? YES!
i can never argue with pro life guys coz they tend to argue in lines of "whether its moral or not".people,we all have done things which are right for us...practicality before morality. when we kill animals.. its either to eat or hunt...when we break an egg open to fry it whats that? when we wage war..it is collateral damage... we have been doing it for centuries!
garima2231 1 week ago
I use to be pro choice until I murdered my own baby. Its not something you want to live with. Anyone who says it doesnt bother them is only trying to convince themselves of that. You will always remember things you missed. First step, tooth, birthdays, school, driving, dating, marriage, grandkids etc.
skiterz 1 week ago
@skiterz I'm really sorry that you regret your abortion, I mean that. There are places you can go for counseling and help with things like that, if you so choose-
But you shouldn't beat yourself up, or call yourself a murderer. That's not right or healthy.
I'm a nurse, a mother, a wife, and a volunteer counselor for victims of domestic abuse and LGBT teens who have been kicked out/beaten/raped by family members- and I'm also post-abortive and pro-choice- even pro-your choice to -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 week ago
-c t- regret your abortion. If you need to talk about anything I am more than willing to talk. I'm actually looking to get into pregnancy/abortion counseling b/c of my experience in these things. I can't imagine what it must be like to feel such regret & self-blame, and as a woman and humanitarian, it is my duty to help where I can. IF these comments are approved, please respond either way.
I want to build bridges between pro-choice, pro-life, and post-abortion. We ALL have a voice.
ryddelwearsahat 1 week ago
Also watch 180 movie!
skiterz 1 week ago
There's always something quaint about 2 men debating women's human rights to abortion access. Anti-choice men have got to go. When they get pregnant they should let us know: we'll see how they enjoy being coerced into 9 months of pregnancy against their will. The best argument for abortion access would actually to force all those anti-choicers to carry to term a fetus against their will. Because you think anti-choicers never have abortions? Think again! Sooo many of them do, it's amazing.
Skulander1 2 weeks ago
HAVE HER CAKE AND EAT IT! HOW DARE THESE MEN SAY SUCH A THING A mother who wants a baby will not want to harm it by taking drugs?! Are they mad! A mother has a right if she has been raped or cannot sustain her child to abort it rather than bringing into the world with hate or with guilt.... I think that this is a womens argument not a man's unless he is a husband... if these men where husbands and went throught the truma of aborting a child then they wouldnt make such sexist remarks
xxSophiexSmithxx 2 weeks ago
wow! Very good!
fintyrock 2 weeks ago
Wow, Tod sounds like an old man on the radio
SilvioManfredDante85 2 weeks ago
"We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions. The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception." -Bernard Nathanson a founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).
Pro-abortion refuse to see that the fetus is a human being and we have no business massacring it.
mjt19741 2 weeks ago
A 40 year old man is different from a parasite that latches onto its mother. Laws apply differently to both creatures. Try again...
golddustrapedmydad 3 weeks ago
Imagine if your mother aborted you! You wouldn't be alive today reading this. It makes me wince every time i think about never being born if my mother chose to abort me for the sake of "convenience" or whatever excuse the next pro-choicer uses. Whether the fetus is a life or not, that baby will never be born if it is aborted.
gwhpfan23537 3 weeks ago
Ha ha Your morning sickness treatment argument has nothing to do with a need for abortion. Spousal abuse is about assault on a partner not abortion. Forcing motherhood is about slavery.
Since a soul is undefinable you cannot use it as a basis for anything including 'dead body'.
Only an idiot would ask if abortions are OK morally why reduce them - nobody likes medical procedures. A fetus is not human? It is the same species as its host. What is your interest in other peoples personal decisions?
Salinity1001 3 weeks ago
@Salinity1001 Great rebuttal! The treatment for morning sickness would be wrong because at some point the fetus will be born. The mother has made the CHOICE to carry the pregnancy to term and thus well, if she has made that choice she should probably make some attempts at not harming what will eventually become a full-grown adult. But a fetus is not an adult. If the woman early in her pregnancy to end it, that is her choice. This whole video is a joke.
CountessGeschwitz 2 weeks ago
A thought:
In the Delivery Room the difference between an Abortion and a Murder would be about 3-10 minutes.
That is the average time frame within which the head of the baby first appears and when it is fully out of the womb.
When the baby is first wrapped in a towel it is safe.
When the baby is still wrapped in it's Mother it is not.
Odd fact.
Hmmm?
hammerogod 4 weeks ago
@hammerogod Sure but then again who has an abortion at 9 months just for the heck of it? Your point makes no sense because those cases never occur. Roe vs. Wade insures access to abortion until viability, which is about 23-24 weeks. Most abortions though occur much, much earlier. 90% of abortions occur during the 1st trimester (by week 12). I think at this early stage it is totally a woman's choice.
Skulander1 2 weeks ago
the counterargument to the morning sickness argument is very simple too - the reason she can abort a fetus but not harm it is because by harming it, a deformed fetus would be born, and that would be cruel to it once it is born.
dmcarefuldriver 1 month ago
Fallacies galore.
Sinnessa 1 month ago
@Sinnessa Do tell.
Patience1138 1 month ago
..nothing i haven't heard before, and utterly decimated with a single sweep of verbal nuclear-warfare.. thank you, education- i remain pro-choice for another day.
Sorry, but a fetus is not, cannot, ever be equated to the woman carrying it- it exists BECAUSE of her- it is IN her, not floating next to her.. it CAN'T be adopted, it CAN'T think, it ISN'T a person.. it is just human meat.
If the woman wants it gone, then let her get rid of it. WOMEN can think and feel- fetuses just float/grow.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
GUYS, IF U R USING DESCRIPTIVE TERMS RESERVED FOR PEOPLE W/DISABILITIES IN A DEROGATORY WAY, UR COMMENT WILL NOT BE POSTED. LETS KEEP THINGS CIVIL.
WadeCDavis1 1 month ago 3
Oh i see now, at first i was like, this video is ridiculous! These arguments sound like there coming from an elementary school, but i realized part way through it was just a pro bush republican rant.
Nekcarb420 1 month ago
If you don't believe in abortions then don't get an abortion, but that doesn't give you the right to say that other people shouldn't be allowed to get them.
If believe that eating meat is wrong, I won't eat meat, but I have no right to tell you not to eat meat as well.
ChloeTheBear 1 month ago
@ChloeTheBear Rights are what each society define them to be. If a society wants to regulate and restrict the personal behavior of its members, it can do so. In several countries, they recognize the right of the unborn person as trumping the right of the mother to terminate that life. While I cannot individually impose what I believe is a right, I can do so collectively by influencing the laws of my country.
dlazO109 1 month ago
@ChloeTheBear says=" if you don't believe in abortion ,,don't have one"
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And if you don't believe in slavery then don't own one.
If you don't believe in killing jews like the NAZIs did then don't kill any.
If you don't believe that molesting childing is right then don't molest children.
But you don't have the right to stop these people that want to do these things ...eh?
When you don't stop evil ..it grows.
And people like you is the cause of evil in the world.
ekajeht 1 month ago
Good job exercising your right. to censorship. Of course, you'll abuse that power by censoring any good arguments against your personal ideologies.
RedSkiesAwaitUs 1 month ago
@godyah Ok a women has every right to be angry when raped but she can't kill the child. The child didn't do anything. Plus she could've fought back you know. She could also put the baby up for adoption and bless that child with s loving family.
MrAwesomesauce101 1 month ago
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Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Watch it with the name calling.
WadeCDavis1 1 month ago
@WadeCDavis1 says: Watch it with the name calling.
~~~~~~~~~ Which translates TO, you're pro choice and I'm just waiting for a reason to get rid of you. I understand.
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Please refer to the guidelines listed on the main channel page. There are alot of views that are contrary to my beliefs & they stand as they are, etc. I welcome dialogue & discussion or I wouldn't have enabled "comments". Please feel free to express your views as often and as boldly as you want but please keep it civil. If you can't express your view w/out name calling, then that is a view that doesn't need to be expressed on here. Posting is a privilege, not a right.
WadeCDavis1 1 month ago
@MrAwesomesauce101
she could have fought back? is that a joke? If she was raped she did not willingly have sex with the rapist
scriptim 2 weeks ago
@wonbyamile man that's in a completely different ball game dude. We kill animals to eat for our life we literally can not live without food and would like protein without the food where as abortion the mom is killing her own baby against her will.
MrAwesomesauce101 1 month ago
IF a woman becomes pregnant, the end result is a healthy infant at birth. Anything leading up to that birth should conspire to a healthy person, and I insist this should start before conception, make sure parents with hereditary afflictions don't pass these on; that is be child abuse. But if I were born (hypothetically) with a severe disability I would prefer to have been aborted and have a sibling without disability to be born. For me it's simple - I made SURE I can't have any babies.
KhanneaSuntzu 1 month ago
What is so special about a human life? Other animals eat their young when they do not want to take care of them. Perhaps you should leave people alone instead of proving that it is human.
Avensadora 2 months ago
@Avensadora Because we would rather not be savages.
RebelSoldat1 1 month ago
@Avensadora Because we are not savages.
RebelSoldat1 1 month ago
Great job! Abortion killing is an EVIL, no other way to describe the Murdering of another Human Being. This country and all others who have legalized the slaughterinf of innocent life will have to pay dearly! Taxpayers should not have to fund this atrocity! Stand Up People! The Evildoers are getting rich on Killing Human Beings. Innocent Babies given the Death sentence because they were conceived!! SHAME!!
MsCampobasso 2 months ago
Is killing animals just because you're hungry evil? Think before you answer. Enjoy your next hamburger Christians.
wonbyamile 2 months ago
@wonbyamile
I will answer that the next time I eat a Baby with Cheese on it.
hammerogod 4 weeks ago
@amlwchisshite why not stop it from coming in the first place? if we don't want a smelly bum to live in our house, we don't invite them in.
kingkongcuong 2 months ago
@amlwchisshite at what point would you consider the unborn a human?
me25422 2 months ago
A doctor would advise against it because she would understand (like most reasonable people, not this shill) that a woman who wants a baby would want to keep it healthy. This is completely different when the woman doesn't want it any longer. This arguement is ridiculous, in a free and open society abortion should be legal. The fetus doesn't care, why do you?
DeathByTarantula 2 months ago 2
@DeathByTarantula The issue isn't whether or not a mother should have the right to an abortion, the issue is whether or not abortion is right. Just because mothers have the right doesn't make it right. A mother still has the right to kill her baby outside her womb, but that would be murder. So why should it be right for a mother to kill her baby on the inside?
SoldierOfChrist110 2 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 Actually, it has a lot to do with the woman's rights because most pro-lifers want to make it illegal, and once it's illegal, it isn't a right anymore.
Women's rights have EVERYTHING to do with the debate on abortion.
And I have the right not to be an incubator. I guess I'd be one of those few where the fact that it's a human life doesn't matter - my rights are in question, and my rights come before the baby's until it can live outside my body.
ImFlareonBitch 2 months ago
@ImFlareonBitch
When the baby is outside your body it still cannot care for itself (until it is much older) so I guess in your reasoning it would be okay to kill your 6 month old who cannot live without your assistance. I guess we can only hope you never have kids or work in childcare.
erock33 4 weeks ago
ahah only people with academics?
mswick100 3 months ago
Exellent video. Atheist here to say abortion is not a religious issue! Right to life applies to everyone including the unborn. yes that's right, it even includes potential life(which starts at fertilization).
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
A fetus and a baby are two different things. By Canadian law (I understand this is American but I'm Canadian) a fetus is not a baby untill it has taken it's first breath, and seeing as there is no air in the womb an unborn fetus is not a baby.
AutopsyOmg 3 months ago
@AutopsyOmg Changing a definition does NOT change the being into something other than a human baby. By your reasoning we can pass a law and put you to death calling YOU a fetus.
MaximusArurealius 3 months ago
@AutopsyOmg So it's OK to kill it in the womb?
Stickmodee 3 months ago
@AutopsyOmg a baby in the womb a week before delivery is not much different than it would be at birth. other than the fact that it breathed air. and a baby still requires air the mom breathes in to pass on to the child. if a baby comes out of the womb not being able to breath is it still a fetus? what about if it needs machines to give it air?
paulinotou 3 months ago
@AutopsyOmg According to Canadian law, it's not murder to kill a baby even after it's born. This just happened earlier this year.
dougmoerhoffman 2 months ago
@AutopsyOmg Oke so what it is still a human.
reviewreviewer1 2 months ago
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
jtofragoso 3 months ago
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
jtofragoso 3 months ago
RE Pro abortion Romans 1vs 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
jtofragoso 3 months ago
RE Pro abotion Romans 1vs 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
jtofragoso 3 months ago
Got to love them moderation comments
drdre306 3 months ago
what classifies a human exactly
TripleA900 3 months ago
If men could get pregnant then it would be a different story. Men if you hate a woman to get an abortion. Then be responsible to make sure she does not get pregnant in the first place. And those that choose to keep the baby don't complain if she is on welfare to take care of that baby. This is an issue that came legal under a Republican president Nixon. Lets have laws to make Sure those born are not denied Free Healthcare when parents can't pay.
MegaELECTRICEYE 3 months ago
@MegaELECTRICEYE What the pro abortionists cannot see, is that the unborn baby is NOT a gop of goop, but a lioving soul. In other words, abortion is the taking of an innocent life. Oh yeah: Adoption: Please look that word up, and know that there are people lined up to adopt. Easier just to kill 'it' right? I just wish every mother to be would get ot hear the baby's heartbeat before going that route
skaha77 3 months ago
Sound and irrefutable arguments. Notice that those who disagree don't say why they disagree, they just resort to ridicule and mocking. Typical response of the narrow minded and callous. "Lord have mercy."
GebreMenfesKidus 3 months ago
LOL!!! They openly say that their arguments are aimed at people on the street, not academics as if that's a good thing. Too bad the academics are the ones who actually educated and do research and study these things professionally, where as people on the street are uneducated and can be convinced of anything.
PatronOfTruth 3 months ago
how do we defeat the pro abortion argument??? in which country??? if you live in America women get to chose? where is Todd wretched when they do decide to have the baby??? Todd is not there when this baby needs a blanket or some food .but he will be there to call them wretched... this man needs to focus on his own family because if Todd is saying that the world is wretched why doesn't he start focusing on his own wretched family, and leave Americans alone that do not want to share Todd beliefs.
a1saouse 3 months ago
The "Thalidomide" comeback is a simple reductio ad absurdum. It;s not "having their cake and eating it" because a doctor has a responsibility to minimise potential suffering for her patients. Abortions if performed should be as quick and painless as possible. Also, what mother would willingly take thalidomide if she wanted a healthy baby? The idea is that you maximise quality of life if a baby is to be born, and minimise suffering if it is not.
godyah 3 months ago
this is funny!!!! but great points
cedella212 3 months ago
I pity those whom only see abortion as "killing an innocent life". I pity those that have no idea the negative effects they are have on our ecosystem, our very source of life. I pity those whom think only in self-interest, and self-importance. I pity those whom waste time debating whether or not a fetus is a human and do nothing about the children that are dying from poverty today. I pity those whom are easily manipulated by these people and their guilt tactics. I pity mankind
thecurse23 3 months ago
lol, guys name is Kulsendorf haha! i bet he is Jewish
twittermonz 3 months ago
@twittermonz And so what if he is?
ChitungwizaBandit 3 months ago
@twittermonz And so what if he is?
ChitungwizaBandit 3 months ago
am pro death
InfernumSound 3 months ago
am pro death
InfernumSound 3 months ago
Great video! These two guys definitely know their stuff.
However, I wish they would have been sitting instead of standing. Todd is freakishly tall and Scott looks like a dwarf in comparison. If they were sitting the size difference would not be so distracting.
Their size may be useful when discussing abortion. Is Scott less valuable than Todd because he's shorter? Do you have to be a certain height to be considered human?
formerevolutionist 4 months ago
here is a pro-life argument: its alive
Arogitho 4 months ago
well first off i would like to say that i agree with your argument and i support and agree with a lot of stuff you said, however i think your arguments would be a lot stronger from a philosophical and scientific approach rather then a religious one it seems to me that people dismiss pro life right off the bat without the arguments just because of religious implications. which in tern defeats the point of the argument.
stranger7375 4 months ago
@dgoren1 Here's the way I see it: The fetus is either a massive blob of nothingness, or it's a life. One or the other. If it's just a massive blob of nothingness, then abortion wouldn't be needed to end its life. I agree with you, btw.
liliodine 4 months ago
i think you guys need to get out of your bubble. the world isn't so black and white. humans and dinosaurs didn't live at the same time.
kjimho 4 months ago
@kjimho Really? How do you explain the hundreds of cave drawings,paintings and references to them throughout ancient history? Just vivid imaginations?
Stickmodee 3 months ago
@dgoren1 Murder and killing are two different terms completely, two completely different contexts. As are the words, human, person, fetus, baby, born, and alive. If you know anything about the english language or the circumstances of fetal development, and a woman's reasoning behind abortion, you cannot POSSIBLY say abortion is murder.. w/o lying. Lying about the words used and saying they mean something else, lying about the woman in question.. lying about the fetus you try to 'protect'.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
Lastly, i am a mother, a wife, and a nurse for the handicapped and elderly. I am also post-abortive, and pro-choice. B/c of my political stance, I often get insulted, lied to/about, accused falsely of many things, or just labelled a liar or crazy. Nobody ever gives me anything but open hostility and shit b/c I am pro-choice, and nothing i say, b/c I am pro-choice, is ever respected or considered. W/ this experience in mind, lasting YEARS, I think all pro'life'rs are hypocrites w/o humanity.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c to ahve a child, she wouldn't be getting an abortion. Adoption is good an all, but not everyone HAS the LUXURY of sitting there fat and happy and fine, waiting 9 excruciating months. You like to call these women lazy or selfish- it's easy to blow off someone's feelings and needs by dehumanizing them into fire-breathing dragons who 'hate babies'.. but it is a survival instinct bone-deep to reproduce ONLY when ready/willing.. Just b/c it happens, doesn't mean you have to love/accept it.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c I'll hope my comments GET approved, and not shot down, and thus continue. It is a number of circumstances that make a fetus next to worthless when compared to the woman carrying it- b/c it is only a potentiality, nothing more. Pro'life'rs try to pretend all aborted fetuses were going to be the next cancer cure, ect.. but the argument goes both ways- einstein, hitler, same difference- you don't know. But you do know how the woman feels, and dude- consider that, if she was READY to have -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
Human dna does not a person make. The woman was there first, the embryo/fetus cannot be adopted until AFTER it is born, and the developing human in question cannot think or feel or have any memories.. if it, bluntly put(and coldly, too, i'm love-tired of trying to be nice when arguing against any anti-woman when all I get back are insults and derision) it is worthless compared to an actual born person. The only thing that gives a human worth in the womb is if it is WANTED by the woman carrying.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
one question..you have a christian marriage with a nice christian wife and you all live in a happy christian town, then your daughter gets raped gets pregnant, does that baby have a right to life? would you want your daughter to have to live with a constant reminder of the worst experience of her life?
MrTrumajo 4 months ago
@MrTrumajo Hello good sir. Here is my answer. keeping religion out of it, considering I am an atheist, although I obviously would not choose for my daughter to have to birth a child caused by a rape this fact still does not address the most important issue. The issue is that if the unborn child is a human then abortion is murder. Now you may say that there are some situations in that murder is okay. Maybe this is one of them.
me25422 4 months ago
@MrTrumajo Um... she's ALWAYS going to be reminded about it. This comes from first hand experience. Murdering the baby that resulted from the rape doesn't magically make it go away, nor does it make it any better. Murdering the baby will only put more guilt and depression on her.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 "Murdering the baby will only put more guilt and depression on her". Your personal experience does not generalise across the whole spectrum of humanity. What about those that have the baby and see their rapist every time they look into their child's eyes? Or put it into foster care and create yet more unwanted kids in the world? It's the woman's right to decide; her bodily autonomy is tantamount -especially- if she has been violated by rape
godyah 3 months ago
@MrTrumajo well, the good thing about it the baby have d.n.a that can pin point who is rapist is didn't you think about that? and you know that the baby did nothing wrong. God forbid if that ever happend to anyone from rape that what i think the person should to.
lilykin88 3 months ago
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Sueezee1 4 months ago
Oh, comments have to be "approved"????? What a great way to have it YOUR way or no way!!
Sueezee1 4 months ago 7
@Sueezee1 Yep, you've nailed me to the wall. Exercising my right to moderate comments to keep the foul language off the channel because the darkness not only hates the light but curses it.
WadeCDavis1 4 months ago 16
@WadeCDavis1 Works for me.. Keep at it
skaha77 3 months ago
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Sueezee1 4 months ago
If there is no God but evolution&we have this only one mortal life, then all humans should be allowed to be born to live this one life to the fullest extent. Since human beings are the highest evolved creatures known in the universe, then we should be the most priviledged to live "one life", no ifs,ands,or buts about it.If there is no after-life, then killing our un-born is depriving them of their one&only chance to live.This is a shame&evil even for evolution.
RonSafreed 4 months ago in playlist abortion
Looking at abortion through the eyes of Christianity, the souls of these aborted un-born go to heaven. However in evolution since there is no after-life their "ONLY ONE LIFE"is snuffed out. How is this survival of the fittest? It looks like in evolution there are the lucky ones&the unlucky ones. Would the fully rational point of view would be to let every human be born to try to live as long as possible to enjoy the one mortal life they have since man is the most evolved creature in evolution?
RonSafreed 4 months ago
There is no such thing as a "pro-abortion" argument. No one is running around touting the benefits of abortion as a method of birth control. No one is saying "abortions for everyone!"
Yet the anti-choice crowd would have the government interfere in private affairs. They would insist on sweeping legislation that fails to take into account individual needs and patient privacy in favor of potentially harming mothers, and forcing births that are recognized to be unsurvivable from early in the womb.
TrevorBlack79 4 months ago
so even wen logic is being tossed around instead you just wanna pull a johnny cockren and call em racist?
Bton1233 5 months ago
@puffballandres IF THESE PRO-CHOICE PEOPLE ARE SO CONCERNED WITH POPULATION AND STARVING PROBLEMS, IS ABORTION (SACRAFICING THE UNBORN) TRULY GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? HELL NO! ABORTION HAS BEEN LEGAL FOR OVER 40 YEARS, EXACTLY HOW DID IT HELP???/ P.S. PEOPLE IN THIRD WORLD ARE STARVING BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN GOV'T, ALSO, THEY DO NOT HAVE PROPER EQUIPTMENT TO MAINTAIN THIER FARMS AND EDUCATION, BUT WE'D RATHER PUT A BANDAGE ON THAT, RIGHT?
carmel350 5 months ago
@carmel350 If people are so damn concerned with overpopulation in this country, then they should support enforcing border security, and throwing out all undocumented people in America. I cannot speak for the entire world, but in NORTH America, unrestricted immigration is the prime cause for overpopulation.
ihateneveen 5 months ago
This video is awesome!!!!
NirvanaBoii 5 months ago
@puffballandres Pro-Choice is Pro-Abortion, giving people the choice allows for the death of members of the human race, basing (being pro-choice) of this off actions taken by other people is unjust, and immoral.
i would also like to inform you of a few more things dealing with population growth and "starvation" i can assure you, abortion is not helping one bit in this, for 2 main reasons
1) abortion is not safe in those area, or wildly practiced where it is "needed"
2) They are both 100% fake.
CatholicCreed 5 months ago
Anyone with something called common sense is 100% pro-choice. Whether you think a fetus is a human or not is irrelevant; the mother is a full-grown human being with a conscious capable of making decisions and feeling emotions, and scientific evidence shows that a fetus cannot do this! And yet anti-abortion idiots want to protect the fetus over the mother's rights! Use some logic people!
dmcarefuldriver 5 months ago
@dmcarefuldriver You mean "Anyone with something called common sense is 100% pro-Life. Whether you Know a fetus is a human or not is relevant; the mother is a full-grown human being Who has been lied to by planned parenthood.. and scientific evidence shows that a fetus IS HUMAN And yet Pro-abortion idiots want to IGNORE! the fetus over the mother's rights! Use some logic people!
Pro-Choice is PRO DEATH. Life starts at conception according to science PERIOD!
CatholicCreed 5 months ago
@CatholicCreed Life starts before conception. Just because something isn't a developing fetus doesn't mean it's not a live. Why, even the millions of sperm cells that die on the journey to the egg are alive. If you guys are trying to protect these potential babies you are doing a bad job.
MetalliCxZero 5 months ago
@MetalliCxZero those are living things, however they can not reproduce a human being on their own.
also, at conception DNA, fingerprints, sex, etc are set. this is the moment of "person hood"
CatholicCreed 5 months ago
@MetalliCxZero YES, THE SPERM IS ALIVE AND SO IS THE EGG, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TO CREATE A HUMAN BEING! BUT THE LIVING SPERM BY ITSELF IS NOT A HUMAN BEING, IT HAS POTENCIAL OF BECOMING A HUMAN BEING BY HOOKING UP WITH THE EGG.....SO, WHAT DON'T YOU GET?
carmel350 5 months ago
@dmcarefuldriver TELL ME, WHAT DECISIONS DOES A NEWBORN MAKE?
carmel350 5 months ago
@dmcarefuldriver So your logic says if you cannot make decisions or feel emotions, you are not human. How about the severely mentally retarded? Can we go ahead and kill them? And you say a right of the mother is more important to the life of a person? You were a "fetus" or were you a baby? When did you make the transition? You, my friend, are an idiot. Say hi to Grandma for me- she must be proud!
royalstinkway 5 months ago
@dmcarefuldriver those anti abortion idiots care more about the unborn fetus than the born baby.
It is sick that they dont even care about the mothers condition.
A great would be to give the newborn baby to those anti abortion idiots, but i am sure they dont want that
?responcebility?
Better do they care about the people that are already on this world.
Rowenawhite 5 months ago
@Rowenawhite Just because we don't think a vagina is a killing license doesn't men we don't care about the women. Prolifers never espoused that the life of the unborn is superior to the mother's, but rather that they are equal.
ihateneveen 5 months ago
@dmcarefuldriver DIN'T KNOW WE WERE COMPARING LEVELS OF DEVELOPMENT AS A REASON TO KILL SOMEONE!
carmel350 5 months ago
This video demonstrates why men should STFU and let the women figure this out.
GammonAndSpinach 5 months ago
@GammonAndSpinach
Gammon, no. This video shows we are killing human beings. All other arguments go out the window unless you can prove that the unborn is not human, and does not have a right to life. Period.
JmPizzle1 5 months ago
These two bozos are just setting up straw men for each other to knock down. It's easy to win an argument if the other guy is misrepresenting the opposition.
GammonAndSpinach 5 months ago
There's one major legal issue they didn't bother to address. In already born people who are on life support and can't survive without it the next of kin have the right to "pull the plug". A fetus (especially in early stages) is completely dependent on the "life support" from the mother and can't survive without it. Since you can't prove that the fetus will be born alive then the next of kin (i.e. the mother) should have the right to decide whether to continue the support. Cold but a valid point.
possumverde 5 months ago
I am prochoice all the way. I support abortions. But not LATE TERM abortions. There is a period of time where the fetus is a parasite and lives off of someone. But when it comes down to the 8 month of life that is a little cruel. But back to being prochoice. If we did take away the choice of having abortions how many women would commit suicide? Think about it. If you were raped and ended up pregnant or if you simply couldn't handel it but you couldn't get an abortion wouldn't you want to die?
JeffreeStarismyidol 6 months ago
@JeffreeStarismyidol You just commited Socrates paradox.
By your logic, there exist n such the n is the day when the child finally has the right to its life, but why not n-1? Why is n significant, and not n-1? The 8th month of life is irrelevant. if it is cruel by month 8, why not month 8 minus a day?
Also, if it is a parasite, day m, why not day m+1? The number does not determine the rights. Your argument is invalid according to mathematics.
bdg323 5 months ago
@JeffreeStarismyidol You just commited Socrates paradox.
By your logic, there exist n such the n is the day when the child finally has the right to its life, but why not n-1? Why is n significant, and not n-1? The 8th month of life is irrelevant. if it is cruel by month 8, why not month 8 minus a day?
Also, if it is a parasite, day m, why not day m+1? The number does not determine the rights. Your argument is invalid according to mathematics.
bdg323 5 months ago
@JeffreeStarismyidol There's this thing called the slippery slope. We're seeing this. It means we say, alright, no abortions after three months. Eventually we go, four months, six months, eight months, alright, as soon as they're born. So now you can kill a baby. Sounds wonderful right? Doesn't matter what your opinion on when abortion can take place is, we will inevitably slip into killing new borns which we can all agree is wrong.
Josiah1701 5 months ago
@JeffreeStarismyidol
I support abortion if the woman is raped and she wants to get the egg flushed the same week that happened. But if she had sex? She's now willingly accepting the possible consequences of sex. Sex exist for the very purpose of reproducing the species. Parasites are foreign agents, but babies are the same exact genetic material as their two hosts. Your thoughts?
BoyKagome 5 months ago
What if your raped?...
E3Zombie 6 months ago
My biggest issue with his argument is that he seems more focused on discrediting the pro-choice opinion than ending abortion. If we end abortion the need for abortion, won't we all be happy? If people who are pro-life would support the movement to reduce abortions, rather than sneer at working together with people who are pro-choice (and apparently sinners) then maybe we could get something done instead of just arguing a moot point.
purplecows234 6 months ago
LIFE STARTS AT CONCEPTION?? AT BIRTH? WHO CARES!!! IF a woman wants to kill a fetus (or whatever the hell you want to call it) then shes gonna do it. The quesiton is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? Are you going to force a woman to have a baby?? YOULL NEVER DO IT!! NEVER!! IT WILL BE CALLED FACISM!! You cant say taking care of a sick person is immoral with state money, but then turn around and say oh but taking care of a fetus is moral. Its qualifying who lives and who dies!
vidfreak56 6 months ago
You want to stop women from aboting their babies, get rid of money! Watch "Zeitgeist Moving Forward". The #1 reason women have abortions is money ie;financial instability and single parent.
boumar19721972 6 months ago
@boumar19721972 "Get rid of money" Mmmmmkay.... and how do you propose we do that...? I think a more realistic option would be to subsidize children, that's what we do here in the Netherlands, but I know lots of Americans think that's like communism or something.
TherionNLD 6 months ago
So life starts at conception and a zygote has equal rights to the already born? Thought experiment:
You're in a burning building and have the choice to save one of two things:
1. A case containing 50 frozen IVF embryo's
2. A 2-year old crying in the corridor
Which do you choose and why?
TherionNLD 6 months ago
@TherionNLD
Snow" If you don't know who to save, you just save everyone right?"
BoyKagome 5 months ago
@1:16 beucase the women taking the drug want to keep the thing!
People say that sluts should own up to their responsibilities but isn't that kinda cruel that your life was meant as a punishment for safe sex? And either the mother is crap to the kid or shoves it off to over crowded and under funded foster care. Now some may say "rather that then never being alive"
i guess i can't really say but i don't think so
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
Lets make it right and eat the fetus after the abortion that way the human life has a chance to give back to soceity a little bit. Everyone wins because human life is not completely wasted, and the mother choses whether she wants eat or keep her baby. We could open eat or keep hospital/diners, with cheifs and docters working together to create that perfect balance of life and death.
PUPPYBEATER09 7 months ago
@PUPPYBEATER09 Umm...err...no offense but that logic is kinda...creepy. I honestly don't think that a life's value is determined by society, but rather that society's value is determined by what it can do for lives.
namelessanduntitled 6 months ago
IT IS PRO-CHOICE NOT PRO-ABORTION.
Loser047 8 months ago
There is a fundamental difference between deforming a fetus and killing a fetus: killing a fetus means an end to the development before celebral development starts, so before feeling, thinking, imagining, loving, etc. It's ending a possibility of a human life before the actual life starts (much like condoms...) Deforming a fetus without killing it means that you are ruining the life of a future human. The fetus will develop into a human that will suffer greatly from the initial deformation.
cniglari 8 months ago
@cniglari Your fallacy is equivocation -- you refer to the very same person in both cases, and you fail to provide any reason why you accept the killing of that person, but not the harming of that person.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
Two GUYS duscussing the right of women and fetuses.
Killing a 12week fetus is terrible, but if it grows up to be disrespectful you may kill it ??????
Leviticus 20:9. For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him
Proverbs 30:17. The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.
Yeah, that sounds nice.
JESUS.
soskid 8 months ago
Funny the guy mentioned spousal abuse and slavery, two things that were acceptable at the time the bible was written.
Serial520 9 months ago
@Serial520 Those two things were never acceptable.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
In the US aborting a phoetus before it has the ability to develope into a concious being is considered murder but sending a seventeen year old child off to get killed in Iraq or Afghanistan is perfectly all right. That makes sense.
JamesThWilliams 9 months ago
A body without a soul is a corpse. HAHA.
shadylurker138 9 months ago
Also, do contries that make war and allow death sentence feel bad for killing other humans? as opposite to fetuses, these killed people are born, well formed, already living human beings! disgusting speech these ones against abortion!!
PetulaGuimaraes 9 months ago
@PetulaGuimaraes
What about those of us who not only oppose abortion but also unjust war and the death penalty?
BenjaminWirtz 9 months ago
they are really stupid. were men the ones to get pregnant, abortion would never be an issue!!
what i hate most is the agrument: "they say the woman has a choice, but what about the baby's choice?" simple, the FETUS has no choice: it starts at a very small bunch of cells. in the early stages, only by dna you can identify it is a human fetus, because it looks like a dolphin or a monkey fetus as well in shape and development stages. do they care that much for killing dolphins and monkeys?
PetulaGuimaraes 9 months ago
wow, two guys discussing abortion...most disgusting thing on tv.
TheHuntress144 9 months ago
I truly believe a woman has the right to do what she feels is best for herself. Of course everything depends on the bloody circumstances, if you're a slut then yes you need to face the consequences, but if you were raped, if you're life is in danger, if you cannot for the life of you support that child then you should have no obligations to take care of it. It's your life, who gives what others think, even the bible says to love one self.
TheManiacsAngel 9 months ago
omg, the fallacies in all his arguments are endless...
mica410 10 months ago 3
@mica410
could you point out a few?
BenjaminWirtz 9 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz
For starter the Doctor would orescribe the drug because it would cause lasting harm to a person, just like a doctor won't prescribe drugs that would do harm to you. On the other hand an abortion simple removes a few developing cells that may or may not become a person. Many pregnancies fail before the end of the first trimester so there is not gaurantee that any given pregnancy will result in a child.
JamesThWilliams 9 months ago
@JamesThWilliams Your fallacy is known as "equivocation," for you are talking about the very same person in both cases. Again, there is no good reason to claim that it's okay to kill that person, but not okay to harm that person.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
@BenjaminWirtz He can't point out any because there are none.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne theres a few i can list off on you the guy in the glasses at the beggining thinks doctors control what mothers do when they are pregnant, like "you cant take this drug because it will deform the baby" the only reason anyone would take that advise is because they care about their child and want a healthy baby. a person getting an abortion doesnt want the child and will probably be abuseive to the child. he also says a body without a "sole" is a corpse and a sole is a religious thing-
Dem640 7 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne that you cannot use to discribe people in a legal cacse because of the seperation of church and state.
Dem640 7 months ago
@mica410 Your statement, 'the fallacies in all his arguments are ENDLESS', itself is fallacious.
woodreggie 9 months ago
@mica410 Name at least one please.
Bobanamanamo 8 months ago
@Bobanamanamo He didn't because he can't. He can't because there are none. His fallacy is the appeal to emotion, unbacked by any valid argument, or any argument at all, really.
1GodOnlyOne 8 months ago
@mica410 There's no fallacies in his argument you only think of them as as fallacies because you either think the baby isn't alive yet or have no rights. But if you think rightfully so the baby is human than there are no fallacies.
Amills11 6 months ago
@mica410 There's no fallacies in his argument you only think of them as fallacies because you either think the baby isn't alive yet or have no rights. But if you think rightfully so the baby is human than there are no fallacies.
Amills11 6 months ago
@mica410 There's no fallacies in his argument you only think of them as fallacies because you either think the baby isn't alive yet or have no rights. But if you think rightfully so the baby is human then there are no fallacies.
Amills11 6 months ago
@mica410 how about you and your 5 likes actually list them instead of stating what you want to be true.
HaShim383 6 months ago
@mica410 I don't see them and I've done some unstructured study into both logic and abortion. I'll tell you what: Dr. Peter Kreeft has a 12-step argument against abortion which has never been defeated. You can google it or youtube search it (but IMO it's easier if you read it) if you like. Dr. Kreeft would really love someone to defeat it, btw, so he can be pro-choice (because it is easier). You can have a crack at it, if you like!
TheHardout2005 6 months ago
NO ONE is pro-abortion. No one WANTS an abortion. Once I see you believe that, I instantly stop listening because you have no idea what you're talking about.
bobmuffins 10 months ago
i only believe in abortion if it is endangering the mother. it should not be used as a process to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy. if they had a pregnancy they should have practiced safe sex and learned the consequences. it should be a last resort if someone is going to die
chillaxer1993 10 months ago
@chillaxer1993 In truly life threatening cases, where the mother is likely to die - could we say instead of "get an abortion" maybe say "We do whatever we can do save the mom, and if the baby dies in the process then we mourn that fact". This way we acknowledge the fact that the unborn baby is still a baby, still a human life - not just a piece of tissue that we can get rid of. - Just a thought
staum607 10 months ago
Evicting a baby a woman no longer consents to carrying is not a violation of the Non-Coercion Principle, unlike enslaving another person. The coercive position of these two is on the same side as slave-owners, violating the Non-Coercion Principle.
qwertypoiu4321 10 months ago
3:13 "That's kind of a Ronald Reagan argument."
More like a Blaise Pascal argument.
I like my references sweet and neat, baby. :p
SniperMaske 11 months ago
andreridgway..if u dont want a baby..then dont get pregnant...dont kill a child...a deformed child is able to be loved...a dead one isnt!
Goodlife51 11 months ago
Your dismissal of arguing that women have the right to determine if another human being can occupy their body is poor. When you asked the Doctor if she would have proscribed thalidomide for morning sickness I would have responded no, not because it would harm the child but because it would be unsafe for her. That's just a silly argument. By your logic I should legally be able to remove your kidney if my life is in danger.
voceangeli 11 months ago
@voceangeli REMOVAL of a Organ is different then, maintaining a healthly lifestyle so that a child can be born. Not really a hard concept. Why would I be the cause of your death. I'm not actively killing you, i'm not putting you in an environment that would certainly cause you death. Didn't realize you automatically lose a kidney when you are pregnant either. If your going to use hypotheticals you have to make it relevant. A hypothetical that would be closer would be...
stcolreplover 10 months ago
about that morning sickness meds crap: it is perfectly ethical to choose not to have a baby. it is NOT ethical to act in such a way as to significantly increase the risk of having a deformed baby.
this isn't difficult, people.
andrewridgway 11 months ago
@andrewridgway Yes it is perfectly ethical to choose not to have a baby. They can choose not to have a baby by either not having sex or honing up to the RISKS of having sex! The baby isn't put there by magic! It's your choice why its there! don't blame the baby for ruining your life. When you have sex you are automatically saying that you are fine with the risks that come with sex. how would someone be able to abort something that has their DNA and allow it to be thrown in the garbage?
soccerbabey 11 months ago
this video gets less stupid after 6:51
YOYOdaMOOSE 1 year ago