I think this could have been a good video.It would make us aware of language used in debates.The arguments should be presented,not carried by clever language.
Though you ruined it by sprinkle in lies, exaggerations and soaking it in propaganda sound and imager.(the last could be excused as irony, though it's not clear).
Not enough letters in the comment field,but just to mention one, the Dawkins-child abuse, this has been clarified millions of times. He talked about _labelling_ of children.
When someone has a larger piece of the pie than they ought to (case in point, when Christians thought it was a-okay to have school-sponsored prayer or to have Nativity scenes on public property), and then someone comes along and tries to take back the portion of the pie that isn't rightfully theirs, it can feel as if they are 'stealing' something from the first person.
This is also known as the 'Why Can't The Straight White Christian Republican Male Get A Break" syndrome.
@Wolfenion in which way are u planning to get rid of THOSE WHO REFUSED TO HEAL concentration camp may be working camps? oh wait how about killing camps it is exactly the point of this video THE ATHEIST INQUISITION as u can see u are no better than anyone also u sound just the same welcome to the human race and Jesus can save u!!!!!!!
i had to confirm wanting to watch this video cuz it's been flagged?! are you kidding me?!!! this is the cowardly scumm bag athiest way of fighting truth. how can they watch this video and see it's message, then turn around and lie to cover it up and still have a conscience. the thing is they have no conscience. athiests are all low life scum.
I agree with comparing religion to a virus, I see it makes a lot of sense in my own opinion. But the thing I'm most proud of, is that even though I did have the virus as a child (got given to me by my parents), I simply healed myself when I became aware of certain, simple facts in life. You don't need to kill those already infected, you just have to get rid of those who refuse to heal. No spam hate please.
Who says they need heeling in the first place? That's the problem right there - sardonic atheism and its false entitlement to dictate the future of societies...
Because killing and controlling people for over 2000 years using the tool of religion isn't enough, god forbid someone questions your inane dogma of blind acceptance.
The problem is that theism or Christianity has no qualms with people not accepting their claims. The problem is instead the sardonic treatment of theistic people in general from atheists and anti-theists alike when Christians or theists did not provoke or behave in such a way to receive those malicious responses. And don't cop out and say it's because of the crusades, etc...
@Petey0707 Jesus Christ came to discredit man's religion. He does not forcer or control anything on this Earth The problem is that LUcifer creates pseudo christianity and people who don't truly seek God fall for the ritualistic and egocentric esoteism of the false belief and understanding . The greatest purpetrator is the Vatican. Christianity is having a personal relationship with God. It is a regeneration into God's exyra dimensional Kingdom. It is a rebirth into the original man.
@TheWhiteDevil1612 I believe in order to be in anykind of science u need to have a code of ethics which of course u don't people like u are responsable for unit 731,the nuclear bomb and the experiments on humans during the Holocause I can't worship god because it offends u ? one day may be a hundred years from today and that is pushing it death will come for u as it comes for us all and when that day comes u will eat e very word u just said
There should be eugenics programs which forbid you morons from breeding with eachother.
I can't wait to qualify in Biological Anthropology, and then Medical Science, so that I can become an abortion doctor and chlorinate the gene pool of some of you nutjobs.
You people are a danger to human rights with your indoctrination of children; the foetuses of religiou parents should be sucked out of the uterus, like dirt in a vacuum cleaner, so that the child doesn't grow up schizophrenic.
@TheWhiteDevil1612 If you want people to take you seriously as some kind of "Free Thinking Intelligentsia", you really need to work on your grammatical construction. No offence.
@TheWhiteDevil1612 ""The moron then goes on to display emotive images of the nazis, swastikas, extermination squads, et al, all superimposed over images of Richard Dawkins, and declares that atheists will become murderers and terrorists."
Then;
"I can't wait to qualify in Biological Anthropology, and then Medical Science, so that I can become an abortion doctor and chlorinate the gene pool of some of you nutjobs."
People who believe in god are evil. Degenerate. Racist. Homophobic. And a threat to civilised society.
I would say that all people who believe in god are terrorists. Vermin. And should have Operation Kratos tested on them before they can kill more innocent abortion doctors and such.
Indeed, the irony is, Satan is the only character in the bible who ISN'T evil. Your loving omnibenevolant piece of shit god is a jealous, vindictive, sociopathic, murderer.
Vermin such as you, you filthy redneck scum, with your christian fundamentalist Alex Jones scare mongering, need to be exterminated, in order to stop you creating hit squads on those intelligent enough to reject your man in the clouds, and belief in eternal damnation.
Go back to your farm house, somewhere in rural Norfolk, with your cousin-spouse, and worry about whether your omniscient sky daddy wants you to kill abortion doctors, or merely stand outside gay weddings with 'god hates you' posts.
Ah, yes, the redneck who made this drivel goes on about how Atheists (note, the capitalisation) are propagandising to begin a holocaust of theists (those who believe in god/santa claus- note the lack thereof of capitalisation).
The moron then goes on to display emotive images of the nazis, swastikas, extermination squads, et al, all superimposed over images of Richard Dawkins, and declares that atheists will become murderers and terrorists.
Cheap fucking propaganda from you, you religotard shit
@330MillionGods Not Jesus' literal flesh and blood lol (but I suspect you know that anyway)." Chop off their genitals". lol! ha ha!. Well, mine are o.k. thanks for caring though. Where in the Bible are Christians commanded to do that? Incest, when was incest defined as such?
@330MillionGods Ah that great theologian and scholar of biblical exegisis Pat Condell says it's literal does he, so that makes it so does it? Sorry, but I think I will stick with what the text actually says. Where are we told in the Bible that we must "chop off our genitals" to be a Christian? The incest thing makes a difference because there was a time (even if you take an evolutionary view of history) when such relationships were not incest.
@330MillionGods Was wondering if you have ever even read just one Gospel from beginning to end? Not asking this as a trap or trying to put you down. I find many people that ask the things you are asking often simply watch YouTube videos, go to a website with soundbites and slogans, etc., that are antagonistic to Christianity rather than actually looking directly at it for themselves. If I could convince you of the truthfulness of Christianity would you then become a Christian?
@Shazoolo "Where in the Bible are Christians commanded to do that"- Why are 70 % american males are circumsized at birth in the hospitals then ? But in UK it is around 10 %
And Christ Himself never once taught "Holy Prepuce". Sounds like a Catholic thing. Maybe you're confused? I'm willing to bet, that you've never read the Bible. Not once. Do you know the difference between Wisdom Literature, Prophecy and the Synoptic works? Do you understand prophetic language as defined within the Bible itself (Waters = Masses, Horns = Kingdoms etc) ?
I bet you don't. Commenting about subjects you know nothing about is PURE ignorance.
@Shazoolo I assume this moron is talking about getting circumcized, i dont know where hes getting literal consuming jesus' flesh, and it states incest as anyone who is close vicenity of relations.Mothers fathers sisters brothers aunts and uncles.
This video is the height of hypocrisy, you criticize propaganda, yet all you've done is spread mindless propaganda about how if we weren't following any religions, there could be a next holocaust, there's no evidence for anything like that. People like Stalin agendas were political. Take for instance the vast majority of Europe is atheist and secular and there doing very well, all you're doing is speculating a false propaganda based on nothing and should be ashamed for spreading such nonsense.
Read Sam Harris book where he says we should support Arab dictators in the middle eat and if we fail and the Islamists take over, we must nuke the Arabs.....no joke
@Shazoolo And about religious "education" of children, I'd have no problem with it only it's NOT education, it's pure brainwashing to the point where even if a child chooses NOT to follow his parents' religion he can be kicked out of the house / disowned / punished.
We have thousands of teens still in the atheist closet because of this, they're afraid to speak out.
We even have closet Christians in radical Muslim families.
@Shazoolo And in the USA, religion is constantly pushing for influence by LAW with:
1. anti-abortion/homosexuality/prostitution laws
2. abstinence-only education
3. attempts to defund planned parenthood purely for religious reasons
4. anti-science laws (no teaching of evolution, no cloning purely for religious reasons because "only God can create life", no stem cell research funding etc.)
Sometimes some is true for EU, some EU countries even have blasphemy laws in clear violation of speech.
@Shazoolo It's a shame that you're missing the point here. This would not even be an issue if religion did not constantly try to impose itself on everyone else. As a Christian, atheists and agnostics should be the LEAST of your concern, or aren't you aware of Christians being persecuted in many Islamic countries just for being Christians? That is what you get when the people there don't have a secular mindset and think that their religion should be imposed on everyone else.
@Shazoolo New holocaust? ROFL, you're delusional, how can you even compare books from atheists with nazi literature? Show me even ONE book that claims Christians are all evil and must be stopped? These books merely criticize the religion, they're not an attack on the people nor do they call for genocide.
By the same standard then YOU are also fueling hatred against atheists, agnostics and secularists.
5:01 into the video, and just can't watch this hateful drivel any longer.
First, stop playing the victim, this video is mostly just bs and the basic claim that all religious people are being attacked somehow, is just ludicrous.
You say several times that criticizing the beliefs themselves is fine, then stop taking a book so personal, it's doing just what you're saying is okey. You have comments above nagging about the freedom of speech, how funny is that, when your video rips what's in a BOOK...
@OriginalScuffler "just can't watch this hateful drivel any longer."
Really like the hateful drivel that Anti-theist show every single FUCKING DAY OF THE WEEK. Do go around acting so fucking innocent. When it comes to being hateful. You are NO FUCKING BETTER.
Naturalists, atheists, and the like are more destructive than any fanatical religious group. They are close-minded and hateful bigots who want the complete destruction of the other side. Yet they bark, bark, and bark while completely incompetent to defend their own side's views. If you can actually get one of these buffoons to debate an opponent of some merit they always go down in flames. They are a loud, vacuous, and pitiful minority.
indeed for us as Orthodox, the faith is a part of identity and part of our history!
During the Muslim invasions, we used to build fortified churches ( see the bucovina Monasteries) and when the Turks were coming women and children were hiding in these monasteries, and men went to war.
@VyckRo Thanks. Problem with this video now though is that it has been flagged for no other reason that there's many people out there who simply hate the truth of what it is saying, to the extent that YT have put a warning on it. So much for atheists being all for free speech eh? Many are simply hypocrites I'm finding to be honest.
@Shazoolo This video should be flagged, if nothing else, for the insinuation that Dawkins' The God Delusion advocates some kind of "final solution" for all religious people! You're not even subtle about it. It's appaling.
I find you to be a hypocrite, to be honest, you say atheist rips on free speech, when this video attacks at least one book and a movie for no other reason than you not liking the content!
Why don't you try some honesty and attack their arguments instead?
@OriginalScuffler No but he dose what to take there children away and hes in favor of eugenics . You know with all you atheist online consistently. I wonder do you ever get out of your house. I mean come on. Get up from you computer and move your legs. Drink some mike. They say it dose a body good.
@Tuber77 ONE: Saying things like I should get out, is just a waste of words, you should have spend the entire text, after "take there children away and hes in favor of eugenics", to try (and fail) to back up those ridiculous claims.
TWO: He doesn't say anything about taking ppl's children away, he speaks for rational thinking and the RIGHTS of children, not the opposite.
THREE: Eugenics?! Wow, reference ANYTHING that backs that up, do it. You're pulling this one straight from your ass.
@Moralatheist101 Maybe there's a god that just doesn't care about earth. We don't KNOW just as we don't KNOW one exists (agnosticism). Atheism takes every bit as much faith as theism in the most universal sense because both are assuming they are right without completely conclusive evidence. The fact is we can never know for sure
@wo14shs33co10 I don't need faith to believe in the absence of a deity because...oh wait....he's absent. And I will say this again...we will only know for certain when we die. But the lack of xtian evidence points to no god until then.
@wo14shs33co10 True - we don't know...but study the evidence or lack thereof and why should you try to convince yourself that there is an all powerful deity out there? As far as faith is concerned - atheist don't have faith in not believing in something. Faith is "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." It is only believers that have faith since they believe in things that go against reason that you need faith to believe in. (cont)
@Moralatheist101 hahaha your first comment made me laugh. In my opinion though, atheism is the next step towards rational thought after theism, then agnosticism is the most rational. Think about it, to propose that there is absolutely no way that there are no gods in the whole universe. Not necessarily the Christian god, there are ways to rationalize that it doesnt exist. But how do you KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that there absolutely is no god out there. Maybe there's a god that just does
@wo14shs33co10 Since I do not know, and have not studied up on other deities, I am an agnostic atheist regarding them. Since agonisticism and atheism are not two divergent concepts. You can say I don't know while at the same time say I don't believe this to be true.
@wo14shs33co10 I agree with you regarding the rationality of atheism and agnosticism. In my case I have studied, searched and tried to rationalize christianity and the existence of the christian god as outlined in their holy book and with science. I am an atheist in regards to this deity. (cont)
"Atheism, secularism? Societies like this have had their moments in history before and they didn't look too pretty". Oh, spare me! As the late, great Christopher Hitchens said, Stalinism or the Khmer Rouge weren't the opposite of religion. The problem was they were too much like organized religion.They know what the truth is, base their conclusions on flimsy evidence, know what other people should think and how other people should live their lives.
dude in all counts ive seen people have tried to brainwash me into believing in religion. a lot of atheist parents have taken there children to several different churches. you say dont group all christens together. stop grouping all atheists together when the majority of atheists introduce several religions to there children. another thing is you taking out quotes from his book where in another sentence he can clarify what he means.
You want to speak to teh people that are guilty for more and more people leaving your religion. Talk to the nutheads that blow up buildings or make cummunitys in america that live like hundrets of years ago, these are the people responsible. Dawkins is right, your Video shows it, you speak about the Athiest "Movements" as it would be a trend, like everyone would come to this planet religious, well you propably believe that because of your Religion.
ATHEISM: the ability to be a good person in the purest sense, without ulterior motive. No incentive of a reward (Heaven) or blackmail (Hell), just selflessness. To be a Christian is 'to be like Christ'... but Jesus did not invent morality, no one did. You can be moral and altruistic without religion. There is nothing the Bible can teach that shouldn't come naturally to decent, loving person with a brain. Ask yourself- why are you Christian, and not of another faith? What makes YOUR God THE God?
I'm sorry, you lost me when your argument made about as much sense as those who believe in space aliens abducting cattle for their experiments. Then enacting "Godwyn's Law" was the final blow to credibility.
The argument here is not all Christians are bad people and the media is picking on the Christians. Is this a fair summation? I don't understand how Christians can still play the martyr card after 2000 years. It seems that you're arguing a conspiracy theory where none really exists.
people are turned away from it not through indoctrination,they are turned off it because its patently stupid,irrational nonsense which they understand is yet another thing that is there to control and manipulate their lives.unlike other forms of social control,it is also an insult to their intelligence.religion has been found out to such an extent that the church has had to change and remove aspects of doctrine,its laughable and fortunately becoming less and less relevant as generations die.
I got my atheism from the bible.My questions just started to acumulate from the bible and my obervation that i conducted myself.whether your theist or atheist or agnostic,it doesn't matter.there will always be people on the extream end of it.I don't think any one has a right to tell their children what they should be brainwashed with whether its religious or not.I think people have a right to teach their child how ever they see fit.As for me i will show my child everything.to bad about your vid.
@curemymind My grammer sucks... I ment to say no one has a right to tell the parent what their child needs to be thought. I've seen religous people do bad things and i've seen atheist people do them as well.. It wont matter what you call yourself, it only matters what you do.. I may have more bad grammer but i think you can read the rest just fine :). still tho, to bad about your vid.. But it could be other religous groups to, you really cant tell on this. Just people that do not see your view.
@curemymind I Agree with you! But in 1 point not, raising your children and teach them the facts and knowlegde we have now to live in the real world and understan dit the right way isnt the same as raisng your kids like 2000 years ago and after 18 years or more^^ you let them out in a World that doesnt quit fit in this thousands of years old books written over hundrets of years, come on
@DubbahBlanks you got that correct "your children" if "others children" want to be thought differently why should we controll that?.. We should only controll our own and they should controll their own with no one telling the other who is right or wrong. If we start doing that then it lead's to someone's freedom. If that's the way that they want to teach them then we got some morons out in the world :|, and they thenk the same towards our children.. Who is right? no one agrees...
@curemymind yes your right eveyrone has tthe right to raise there kids. But heres where it ends. Because its not Ok to teach them jsut anything without giving them the choice of deciding themselfs, because once your grown its fixed in your head No its not ok to raise kids to believe that this myth is true and soforth keeps this unneccesary old stuff like religion alive wich it shouldnt be by now.
@curemymind We can expalin the World and the Universe around it pretty good, and the PC and your handy and everything proves it, because without scienece you wouldnt have none. Religion despise Science. Its not possible to get this to two in one line. Speaking of Homosexualls beeing Satanic, Kain & Abel ? Any bells ringin?
@DubbahBlanks Oh i agree with you, i just think that no freedom should be taking away no matter how dumb you wish to use that freedom. If religious people want to go with saying god did it which is a poor theory as to my understanding then why shouldn't they? Freedom is what lets us be as dumb or as smart as we want to get or be. I don't concern myself with which is right. all i care is that no freedom is takken, I come from a family that is religous, and i open my eyes.
@DubbahBlanks I didn't have a choice, people do get out.. I am one of those along with many others... I like the freedom stick to hit radicals... Do you not trust in humanity like people like myself and others who can get out? What if your child wants to believe in god would you let them? Id rather let them make their own mind... And by that act its called freedom.. But do you have a choice when your born? or what is right for you to learn? its best to look for yourself...
@curemymind Of course if its Old enough it will decide itself , thats my whole Point! If someday my Child comes to me and say well Dad im Christian, Moslem, Buddhist or whatever i tell em. Ok its fine to have a believe, but remember, just ebcause you believe it didnt mean everybody hast to believe it etc.. you know. Im not talking about grown People that decide for themself im talkin of the babies that got into the Chruch without having a choise. Born into a Dogma, well ......
@DubbahBlanks Didn't say everyone has to. Even those that come to my house talking about god this or god that. I let them in b/c im evil like that... I question the foundation of their beliefs and so on... But i entertain the question "what if god esists?" Well i say god isn't what the bible say's and god by its self is a poor theory. Even tho i say no one should say what you should teach your kid i mean that for them theist as well as atheist.. Keep no freedom from me..
@curemymind If that's the way that they want to teach them then we got some morons out in the world :|, and they thenk the same towards our children.. Who is right? no one agrees... Wrong because theay ACTUALLY RAISE idiots by purpose!
Absolutely everything that this annoying pimple is accusing atheists of doing, the religions of the world have been doing since the day man invented god. This is 'religion's' last ditch effort to stop progress and rational thought. Religion knows its time has come. So they call all counter views evil & militant, and most importantly say that the children are in danger, fear has been protecting religion for 1000s of years, so it only makes sense they would use it now.
I am sick of people saying hitler was a "darwinest"the only time he ever talked about darwin was to discredit him as hitler was a creationist mein kampf shows hitler said diversity had limits in kind the emergence of new species is impossible ,creationist use that today they may even have got it from hitler.volume one chapter 11 mein kampf read it for yourself.
in Hitlers (a devout catholic)mein kamph he writes he is doing gods work (in the vatican on his birthday they have a mass for hitler every year) If you put religous understanding instead of propaganda it work just the same.
@SonofJaphet 1/2 IDIOT Hitler was catholic Killed Jews because it says in the "bibles new testament" that jews(that are not Christians)jews killed jesus and the should not live thay are go to hell.just like:-
Deuteronomy 3god orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”
@ahhninjadragon Are you a revisionist?Hitler not only killed jews but Evangelical Christians,Gypsies,disabled people mentally ill persons or anyone who didnt fit his social Darwinist view
@SonofJaphet He didnt kill catholics except the ones who disagreed with Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria. As a Hitler boy he attended a monastery school.
@ahhninjadragon As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
@SonofJaphet As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
@SonofJaphet Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
@SonofJaphet Hitler was given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy.and he wrote “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.
@SonofJaphet Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home.
@SonofJaphet “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.”Adolf Hitler,1934, to Catholic bishops “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.
@SonofJaphet I can do a lot more, you are you a revisionist if call him a atheist when it is written in his own hand on on video of him telling people he his a christian and a Catholic born and bred.
@SonofJaphet 2/2 Chronicles 21God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value he also kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people.Sound like god was a bigger killer of people who refused to worship him Hitler was just like god then, why dont you worship him then?
@MrBoomSonic Yeah, for people who always bang on about free speech there's a lot of atheists out there who really can't seem to stand it (hence the flagging). I would encourage you to mirror this video and put it on your own channel.
If you're a Christian... you're probably a racist, bigot, misogynist, homophobic liar, hypocrite, and completely delusional believing in talking snakes and donkeys.. I can list examples of all these attributes in the bible, including murdering your children for disobedience, murdering your wife for adultery, murdering homosexual (just because), genocide. the bible condones slavery. GOD himself murdered over 400,000 humans in the bible and ordered another 200,000 murdered.
"We need more and better instruction in comparative religion (and I'm sure you'll agree with me that any education in English literature is sadly impoverished if the child can't take allusions from the King James Bible)." -Richard Dawkins, New Statesman, Dec 14, 2011
Does that sound like someone who wants the irradiation of all religious material from education and the public forum? This video is NOTHING BUT straw-man arguments. NO ONE is persecuting the religious so well as OTHER RELIGIONS.
So if I raise my children to respect rationalism, logic and free thought: I'm potentionally brainwashing them against religion? Should I teach my children to make life choices based on moral imperatives gleaned from a book written a thousand years ago about the characteristics and life a of god:a petty, unjust,vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, a capriciously malevolent bully. How to choose???
@SonofJaphet I might parrot Dawkins but it's a lot better than having the blinders on and following the carrot like you guys do. FYI - I'm an atheist which means I don't believe in gods. Just telling you since you accused me of having Dawkins as my god. Your response sounded kind of like you don't actually know what an atheist is. You should have stayed in school and learned that along with some sort of punctuation. Just saying :)
I know what an atheist is ,i used to be one and english is not my first language,its my 2nd thats why my ponctuation is not perfect but its better than most of the atheists who respond to me.May i add that the U.S. has a maximum of 10 years left to live?I see a parallel with the Roman Empire.The more atheists there is the more America is sinking but thats normal it is written in the Bible that the last world empire will fall very rapidly and all the signs are there
@SonofJaphet Xtians consider themselves the majority when they want to make xtianity the dominant religion and the minority when they want to blame someone else for the problems.
@SonofJaphet I congratulate you on having a good working of the English language considering it is not your first language. Kudos. And I too, see a parallel with the Roman Empire but not because of atheism (Rome was very religious) but because of the great seperation between the government and the people. As xtians are so prompt to say: the majority of America is christian...and here lies the problem.
@Moralatheist101 i'm glad there are people like you in this world, no sarcasm intended, i'm sick of defending my logical thinking from these brainwashed religious people
@Moralatheist101 As a Agnostic. Common Sense is far superior then Logic or Reason. Common Sense takes into account Human Nature and Human Interactions. Logic and Reason dose not. You people dont even know how to conversation without being a FUCKING ASSHOLE. You cant even look at religion and see the bigger picture. All you see is your paranoid boogieman. Common Sense tells me. You cant go around acting like a assholes. Without having people thinking you are a Assholes.
@Tuber77 ... says the guy that claims Dawkins wants to take children away and that he's in favor of eugenics ... no boogieman there ... and certainly no asshole xD
@Tuber77 What is the bigger picture of religion? Is it religious wars? Is it homophobia? Wife abuse? Is it to make children hate others who don't believe like they do? Is it to produce pedaphiles? Is the big picture to make a suicide bomber? To deny the use of condoms in an Aids riddled area because god doesn't like it? Maybe it's the fact that religion suppresses women - even american religions? Tell me Tuber77, is this the bigger picture? If I am an asshole for pointing these things out-ok.
So this is what they come up with. They can't debate us with logic and reason, so they use this crap. This is as bad as the Illuminati conspiracy nuts.
@shishiromura What the.....!!! lol! Surely you jest? Have you been asleep over the last couple of months or something? We want to debate issues! It's you guys who go cowering off. William Lane Craig has just been in the UK calling Richard Dawkins out on his own Oxford turf to debate. Dawkins resolutely refused preferring instead to throw stones and whine at a distance in the press. The man is a snivelling coward and you should be ashamed at having a pic of him as your icon
@TheStenerX Actually you are sadly misinformed. Threatening hell is old now. So now you say that honest people who are leading people away from being brainwashed are in in fact brainwashing us. pathetic. The only reason you say they are brainwashing us is because you think you are right and will do everything in your power, such as blatently lying to us, to prove you are right. Apparently you dont seem to know when someone has lost because you, and your William Craig have lost.
Oh yes, people in the minority have always been massive targets of persecution. . . Wake up, stop being so ignorant. Religion is classical brainwashing at it's best. Read books, hell even read your holy book. Study it's origin and not just where you are told it came from.
The purpose of science is to ascertain what -is-. It does not -- and should never -- seriously entertain something if it's completely unfalsifiable, verdically worthless material in which there exists not a shred of evidence. You may argue what constitutes as "evidence," and propose that the uniformity of nature is evidence -- but, scientifically, there is no valid reason to correlate what -is- with what is completely unobservable, unfalsifiable, and untestable (God).
By the rationale and logic of intelligent design proposers, shouldn't every single possibility be exhaustively dissected in the "science classroom"? What if our universe is just a purposeless "simulation"? What if the moon exists only because a man living in pre-historic times (before written records) -willed- it to exist? These are as unfalsifiable and unprovable as intelligent design, and, from a scientific perspective, are equally rational. All of the claims are verdically WORTHLESS.
"Intelligent design can't even be taught in the science classroom!"
Um, it's unofficially a practical abomination to speak of evolution in many of America's schools. By the way, I.D. doesn't belong in science because there's a complete, utter, absolute lack of mutually exclusive, compelling evidence of it. And, that's how science -fundamentally- WORKS -- a foundation of testable and observable empirical and mutually exclusive evidence that that links one chain to another.
That, in the face of blinding and mounting reason, humanity is still desperately, sadly, and hopelessly trying to perpetuate to self-deception -- trying to rationalize the utterly irrational, indoctrinating susceptible youth with heavily warped curriculum designed to churn out robotic, stiff religious individuals with sets of static values, and attacking reason with unfalsifiable, unprovable, dishonest, and slick-tongued rationale that, superficially, seems clever.
Interesting that you think of books as a 'propaganda source' and yet everything you believe comes from a book that does nothing but tell people what to do and how they will be punished if they don't agree...your arguments are risible..
"But all people of faith are been characterised as ....deluded." If one religion is the right one, then all the "people of faith" who follow other religions are deluded.
No dick...Dawkins uses language intelligently and succinctly to express his opinions..it's only 'dangerous and provocative' to you cos you a.don't agree with him and b.do not have the IQ to counter what he says with anything apart from fear and superstition... propaganda source?..is it distributed in schools? found in hotel rooms?do people meet every Sunday to discuss it with old pedophiles?.no...that's another book I'm thinking of but then I'm sure you don't think that is propaganda!..
You are entitled to your opinion, of course ,but the way you portrayed the so called "atheist" societies is quite wrong. Stalin ,Mao and Pol Pot regimes were all cases of state religion as well as Hitler and (fortunately)the recently deceased K.Jong Il .
All of this just proves how dangerous the indoctrinated mind is.
anti religious? are you insane!!!!!!!!! religious people have been trying to brainwash people since religion was conceived. The entire bible was modified by the roman empire to brainwash people.
Atheists don't believe in your god, to say we hate him is illogical. Also I don't hate his followers, just some of the extremist kinds (of all religions).
@UnknownUserName4267 Oh but the 3.0 atheists DO HATE GOD. They say they do not believe in Him but that's all they can talk about lol. By the way, most Christians have a problem with the religious extremists also, thus the making of my friend Shaz's video here.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Really? Seriously? I'm just going to assume you are joking, or I'll have to see you as a complete idiot. I am atheist, and part of the reason is because I was tired of people trying to FORCE me to be religious. Religion IS dangerous. I've been much happier since I've left the delusional fear of going to hell for thinking sexual thoughts about someone beautiful. Jesus is santa for adults. You're delusional.
@vaguevocalist17 You cant force someone to be a religious..Christian anyway. If someone was forcing you they were VERY misguided. Becoming a Christian has to be a personal decision that you want to do or else there's no point in doing it.
@tharemedybeats Of course you can't FORCE people to do anything, but you can sure pressure them until they break. You can tell them constantly that they are going to hell if they don't change. You can guilt trip them for abandoning your culture. You can tell them they have no reason to live without it. Atheists are horribly discriminated against. They are persecuted. They are demonized. It's not right.
I feel like you think that atheists are angry about what religious people believe just because they think it's stupid, and that's really not it. It's that it affects us in ways that we simply don't feel we should have to deal with. Why have women been treated like second class citizens for thousands of years? Why are gays not given the right to marry? Why did the bible say nothing about prohibiting slavery? Why didn't Jesus come down and stop the Crusades, or the Inquisition? It fucking sucks.
@rocknrollcola Not yet. Hitler didn't just come out right and say hey lets kill all the jews.. no one would have been behind him. First you slowly have to get the society to dislike them... thats exacty whats happening right now.
@tharemedybeats I don't buy it. Society disagrees with Evangelical Christians because they are delusional. They are spewing things that oppressive. They are more to the level of the Nazi party.
Are you that scouse nutter that walks around London with a megaphone and a sign that says "Don't be a sinner, be a winner"? If so, you are well known to the police and public as a pest. I see you've branched your religious trolling out and onto youtube now!
........Of course you ought to be stupid,if you believed the word of any Christian when he's telling you that ''God exist''.
But then again,you also have to be the biggest moron idiot,believing the word of an atheist,when he's telling you differently.
TOLTECAAZTECA 4 days ago
Shazoloo does not understand Projection.
StinkyWizleteets 1 week ago
Read the bible, we need more atheists.
StinkyWizleteets 1 week ago
Oh wow. Looked at some of the other videos you had, and I think you are serious. :o
I'm scared now...what religion do i need to join so you are on my team?
Great strategy for converting people.
fjoo 1 week ago
lol, and your accounts of the propaganda and persecution during WWII was ridicules. Makes me think you are being ironic about the whole video.
fjoo 1 week ago
I think this could have been a good video.It would make us aware of language used in debates.The arguments should be presented,not carried by clever language.
Though you ruined it by sprinkle in lies, exaggerations and soaking it in propaganda sound and imager.(the last could be excused as irony, though it's not clear).
Not enough letters in the comment field,but just to mention one, the Dawkins-child abuse, this has been clarified millions of times. He talked about _labelling_ of children.
fjoo 1 week ago
are the baby atheist trolls getting mad ? :(
9II2001 2 weeks ago
One the greatest videos on youtube, it describes the social climate perfectly. It can even be seen through the comment section.
SylvanSage 2 weeks ago
When someone has a larger piece of the pie than they ought to (case in point, when Christians thought it was a-okay to have school-sponsored prayer or to have Nativity scenes on public property), and then someone comes along and tries to take back the portion of the pie that isn't rightfully theirs, it can feel as if they are 'stealing' something from the first person.
This is also known as the 'Why Can't The Straight White Christian Republican Male Get A Break" syndrome.
TheGeneralCritic 3 weeks ago
The fact that this video is flagged truly says something, THIS IS SO TRUE
skihas1 3 weeks ago
How is this Video flagged. How is this video not true?
Hairgod1234 3 weeks ago
Read the Bible. It wont take away your birthday and may give you a new one.
Superbabiez 3 weeks ago
@Wolfenion in which way are u planning to get rid of THOSE WHO REFUSED TO HEAL concentration camp may be working camps? oh wait how about killing camps it is exactly the point of this video THE ATHEIST INQUISITION as u can see u are no better than anyone also u sound just the same welcome to the human race and Jesus can save u!!!!!!!
katelling1 3 weeks ago
i had to confirm wanting to watch this video cuz it's been flagged?! are you kidding me?!!! this is the cowardly scumm bag athiest way of fighting truth. how can they watch this video and see it's message, then turn around and lie to cover it up and still have a conscience. the thing is they have no conscience. athiests are all low life scum.
axylus7 3 weeks ago
Is true.
Thanks for the video.
God Bless You.
supapawa 3 weeks ago
If you make something a joke, than it becomes more acceptable, if you make something a mockery and a laughing stock you make it repugnant.
aurian555 3 weeks ago
I agree with comparing religion to a virus, I see it makes a lot of sense in my own opinion. But the thing I'm most proud of, is that even though I did have the virus as a child (got given to me by my parents), I simply healed myself when I became aware of certain, simple facts in life. You don't need to kill those already infected, you just have to get rid of those who refuse to heal. No spam hate please.
Wolfenion 3 weeks ago
@Wolfenion
Who says they need heeling in the first place? That's the problem right there - sardonic atheism and its false entitlement to dictate the future of societies...
Cypherus21 3 weeks ago
i think i know who to blame for flagging this video.
people should be able to say whatever they want.
censorship is the coward's way out.
wazpoppin9 3 weeks ago
this***
DrkKnt802 3 weeks ago
cant view it. says "tgia video contains restricted content"...is it my settings, or are others having this problem?
DrkKnt802 3 weeks ago
Because killing and controlling people for over 2000 years using the tool of religion isn't enough, god forbid someone questions your inane dogma of blind acceptance.
Petey0707 3 weeks ago
@Petey0707
The problem is that theism or Christianity has no qualms with people not accepting their claims. The problem is instead the sardonic treatment of theistic people in general from atheists and anti-theists alike when Christians or theists did not provoke or behave in such a way to receive those malicious responses. And don't cop out and say it's because of the crusades, etc...
Cypherus21 3 weeks ago
@Petey0707 Jesus Christ came to discredit man's religion. He does not forcer or control anything on this Earth The problem is that LUcifer creates pseudo christianity and people who don't truly seek God fall for the ritualistic and egocentric esoteism of the false belief and understanding . The greatest purpetrator is the Vatican. Christianity is having a personal relationship with God. It is a regeneration into God's exyra dimensional Kingdom. It is a rebirth into the original man.
777godwithme 3 weeks ago
@Petey0707 Oops! Sorry for the spelling errors, I have trouble with my fingers. Best wishes to you.
777godwithme 3 weeks ago
@TheWhiteDevil1612 I believe in order to be in anykind of science u need to have a code of ethics which of course u don't people like u are responsable for unit 731,the nuclear bomb and the experiments on humans during the Holocause I can't worship god because it offends u ? one day may be a hundred years from today and that is pushing it death will come for u as it comes for us all and when that day comes u will eat e very word u just said
katelling1 4 weeks ago
There should be eugenics programs which forbid you morons from breeding with eachother.
I can't wait to qualify in Biological Anthropology, and then Medical Science, so that I can become an abortion doctor and chlorinate the gene pool of some of you nutjobs.
You people are a danger to human rights with your indoctrination of children; the foetuses of religiou parents should be sucked out of the uterus, like dirt in a vacuum cleaner, so that the child doesn't grow up schizophrenic.
TheWhiteDevil1612 1 month ago
@TheWhiteDevil1612 Hey White Devil, I am a scholar at (and debate for) the best Medical School in the world, and am a Christian. You jelly?
dancingkid1 1 month ago
@TheWhiteDevil1612 If you want people to take you seriously as some kind of "Free Thinking Intelligentsia", you really need to work on your grammatical construction. No offence.
Conspiratardz 3 weeks ago
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dancingkid1 3 weeks ago
@TheWhiteDevil1612 ""The moron then goes on to display emotive images of the nazis, swastikas, extermination squads, et al, all superimposed over images of Richard Dawkins, and declares that atheists will become murderers and terrorists."
Then;
"I can't wait to qualify in Biological Anthropology, and then Medical Science, so that I can become an abortion doctor and chlorinate the gene pool of some of you nutjobs."
Wow. Cognitive Dissonance, much?
Conspiratardz 3 weeks ago 3
@TheWhiteDevil1612 u mad, bro?
dancingkid1 3 weeks ago
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Conspiratardz 3 weeks ago
@dancingkid1 Ah, I see, the comment was directed at the retard. My apologies.
Conspiratardz 3 weeks ago
People who believe in god are evil. Degenerate. Racist. Homophobic. And a threat to civilised society.
I would say that all people who believe in god are terrorists. Vermin. And should have Operation Kratos tested on them before they can kill more innocent abortion doctors and such.
Indeed, the irony is, Satan is the only character in the bible who ISN'T evil. Your loving omnibenevolant piece of shit god is a jealous, vindictive, sociopathic, murderer.
You people need to be fed some risperdal
TheWhiteDevil1612 1 month ago
Vermin such as you, you filthy redneck scum, with your christian fundamentalist Alex Jones scare mongering, need to be exterminated, in order to stop you creating hit squads on those intelligent enough to reject your man in the clouds, and belief in eternal damnation.
Go back to your farm house, somewhere in rural Norfolk, with your cousin-spouse, and worry about whether your omniscient sky daddy wants you to kill abortion doctors, or merely stand outside gay weddings with 'god hates you' posts.
TheWhiteDevil1612 1 month ago
Ah, yes, the redneck who made this drivel goes on about how Atheists (note, the capitalisation) are propagandising to begin a holocaust of theists (those who believe in god/santa claus- note the lack thereof of capitalisation).
The moron then goes on to display emotive images of the nazis, swastikas, extermination squads, et al, all superimposed over images of Richard Dawkins, and declares that atheists will become murderers and terrorists.
Cheap fucking propaganda from you, you religotard shit
TheWhiteDevil1612 1 month ago
Christians must eat Jesus's flesh and drink his blood. They must chop off their genitals. Believe in incest between children of Adam & Eve.
330MillionGods 1 month ago
@330MillionGods Not Jesus' literal flesh and blood lol (but I suspect you know that anyway)." Chop off their genitals". lol! ha ha!. Well, mine are o.k. thanks for caring though. Where in the Bible are Christians commanded to do that? Incest, when was incest defined as such?
Shazoolo 1 month ago 5
@Shazoolo
"Not Jesus' literal flesh and blood lol" - It is literal; Check Pat Condells videos.
" Well, mine are o.k" - 70% americans are not!
'Incest, when was incest defined as such?" - what's difference does it make ?
330MillionGods 1 month ago
@330MillionGods Ah that great theologian and scholar of biblical exegisis Pat Condell says it's literal does he, so that makes it so does it? Sorry, but I think I will stick with what the text actually says. Where are we told in the Bible that we must "chop off our genitals" to be a Christian? The incest thing makes a difference because there was a time (even if you take an evolutionary view of history) when such relationships were not incest.
Shazoolo 1 month ago
@330MillionGods Was wondering if you have ever even read just one Gospel from beginning to end? Not asking this as a trap or trying to put you down. I find many people that ask the things you are asking often simply watch YouTube videos, go to a website with soundbites and slogans, etc., that are antagonistic to Christianity rather than actually looking directly at it for themselves. If I could convince you of the truthfulness of Christianity would you then become a Christian?
Shazoolo 1 month ago 3
@Shazoolo "Where in the Bible are Christians commanded to do that"- Why are 70 % american males are circumsized at birth in the hospitals then ? But in UK it is around 10 %
330MillionGods 1 month ago
@Shazoolo 'Where in the Bible are Christians commanded to do that?' -
Searched wikipedia article on "holy_prepuce" ; It says, they have still preserved holy forskin. Wars have been faught over it.
330MillionGods 1 month ago
@330MillionGods *Fought
And Christ Himself never once taught "Holy Prepuce". Sounds like a Catholic thing. Maybe you're confused? I'm willing to bet, that you've never read the Bible. Not once. Do you know the difference between Wisdom Literature, Prophecy and the Synoptic works? Do you understand prophetic language as defined within the Bible itself (Waters = Masses, Horns = Kingdoms etc) ?
I bet you don't. Commenting about subjects you know nothing about is PURE ignorance.
Conspiratardz 3 weeks ago
@Shazoolo I assume this moron is talking about getting circumcized, i dont know where hes getting literal consuming jesus' flesh, and it states incest as anyone who is close vicenity of relations.Mothers fathers sisters brothers aunts and uncles.
supermatt1985 3 weeks ago
Religion showed people how to persecute others, embedded intolerance in human culture.
ScienceFindsGod 1 month ago
This video is the height of hypocrisy, you criticize propaganda, yet all you've done is spread mindless propaganda about how if we weren't following any religions, there could be a next holocaust, there's no evidence for anything like that. People like Stalin agendas were political. Take for instance the vast majority of Europe is atheist and secular and there doing very well, all you're doing is speculating a false propaganda based on nothing and should be ashamed for spreading such nonsense.
RodgerSmith11 1 month ago in playlist ?
you haven't seen anything yet!
Read Sam Harris book where he says we should support Arab dictators in the middle eat and if we fail and the Islamists take over, we must nuke the Arabs.....no joke
OrganicKing 1 month ago
@Shazoolo And about religious "education" of children, I'd have no problem with it only it's NOT education, it's pure brainwashing to the point where even if a child chooses NOT to follow his parents' religion he can be kicked out of the house / disowned / punished.
We have thousands of teens still in the atheist closet because of this, they're afraid to speak out.
We even have closet Christians in radical Muslim families.
Militant atheism is really defensive securalism.
DogmasDemise 1 month ago
@Shazoolo And in the USA, religion is constantly pushing for influence by LAW with:
1. anti-abortion/homosexuality/prostitution laws
2. abstinence-only education
3. attempts to defund planned parenthood purely for religious reasons
4. anti-science laws (no teaching of evolution, no cloning purely for religious reasons because "only God can create life", no stem cell research funding etc.)
Sometimes some is true for EU, some EU countries even have blasphemy laws in clear violation of speech.
DogmasDemise 1 month ago
@Shazoolo It's a shame that you're missing the point here. This would not even be an issue if religion did not constantly try to impose itself on everyone else. As a Christian, atheists and agnostics should be the LEAST of your concern, or aren't you aware of Christians being persecuted in many Islamic countries just for being Christians? That is what you get when the people there don't have a secular mindset and think that their religion should be imposed on everyone else.
DogmasDemise 1 month ago
@Shazoolo New holocaust? ROFL, you're delusional, how can you even compare books from atheists with nazi literature? Show me even ONE book that claims Christians are all evil and must be stopped? These books merely criticize the religion, they're not an attack on the people nor do they call for genocide.
By the same standard then YOU are also fueling hatred against atheists, agnostics and secularists.
DogmasDemise 1 month ago
5:01 into the video, and just can't watch this hateful drivel any longer.
First, stop playing the victim, this video is mostly just bs and the basic claim that all religious people are being attacked somehow, is just ludicrous.
You say several times that criticizing the beliefs themselves is fine, then stop taking a book so personal, it's doing just what you're saying is okey. You have comments above nagging about the freedom of speech, how funny is that, when your video rips what's in a BOOK...
OriginalScuffler 1 month ago
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@OriginalScuffler "just can't watch this hateful drivel any longer."
Really like the hateful drivel that Anti-theist show every single FUCKING DAY OF THE WEEK. Do go around acting so fucking innocent. When it comes to being hateful. You are NO FUCKING BETTER.
Tuber77 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
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Naturalists, atheists, and the like are more destructive than any fanatical religious group. They are close-minded and hateful bigots who want the complete destruction of the other side. Yet they bark, bark, and bark while completely incompetent to defend their own side's views. If you can actually get one of these buffoons to debate an opponent of some merit they always go down in flames. They are a loud, vacuous, and pitiful minority.
empreme 1 month ago
Thanks for this video!
I feel the same way, and is very scary!
04:27 I liked that
indeed for us as Orthodox, the faith is a part of identity and part of our history!
During the Muslim invasions, we used to build fortified churches ( see the bucovina Monasteries) and when the Turks were coming women and children were hiding in these monasteries, and men went to war.
I wanted to do a similar video
good job!
VyckRo 1 month ago
@VyckRo Thanks. Problem with this video now though is that it has been flagged for no other reason that there's many people out there who simply hate the truth of what it is saying, to the extent that YT have put a warning on it. So much for atheists being all for free speech eh? Many are simply hypocrites I'm finding to be honest.
Shazoolo 1 month ago 5
@Shazoolo This video should be flagged, if nothing else, for the insinuation that Dawkins' The God Delusion advocates some kind of "final solution" for all religious people! You're not even subtle about it. It's appaling.
I find you to be a hypocrite, to be honest, you say atheist rips on free speech, when this video attacks at least one book and a movie for no other reason than you not liking the content!
Why don't you try some honesty and attack their arguments instead?
OriginalScuffler 1 month ago
@OriginalScuffler No but he dose what to take there children away and hes in favor of eugenics . You know with all you atheist online consistently. I wonder do you ever get out of your house. I mean come on. Get up from you computer and move your legs. Drink some mike. They say it dose a body good.
Tuber77 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@Tuber77 ONE: Saying things like I should get out, is just a waste of words, you should have spend the entire text, after "take there children away and hes in favor of eugenics", to try (and fail) to back up those ridiculous claims.
TWO: He doesn't say anything about taking ppl's children away, he speaks for rational thinking and the RIGHTS of children, not the opposite.
THREE: Eugenics?! Wow, reference ANYTHING that backs that up, do it. You're pulling this one straight from your ass.
OriginalScuffler 1 month ago
Believers infect our laws, our government, and our schools. You are really surprised you are getting pushback? You need a reality check.
vic365 1 month ago
@Moralatheist101 Maybe there's a god that just doesn't care about earth. We don't KNOW just as we don't KNOW one exists (agnosticism). Atheism takes every bit as much faith as theism in the most universal sense because both are assuming they are right without completely conclusive evidence. The fact is we can never know for sure
wo14shs33co10 1 month ago
@wo14shs33co10 I don't need faith to believe in the absence of a deity because...oh wait....he's absent. And I will say this again...we will only know for certain when we die. But the lack of xtian evidence points to no god until then.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
@wo14shs33co10 True - we don't know...but study the evidence or lack thereof and why should you try to convince yourself that there is an all powerful deity out there? As far as faith is concerned - atheist don't have faith in not believing in something. Faith is "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." It is only believers that have faith since they believe in things that go against reason that you need faith to believe in. (cont)
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
@Moralatheist101 hahaha your first comment made me laugh. In my opinion though, atheism is the next step towards rational thought after theism, then agnosticism is the most rational. Think about it, to propose that there is absolutely no way that there are no gods in the whole universe. Not necessarily the Christian god, there are ways to rationalize that it doesnt exist. But how do you KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that there absolutely is no god out there. Maybe there's a god that just does
wo14shs33co10 1 month ago
@wo14shs33co10 Since I do not know, and have not studied up on other deities, I am an agnostic atheist regarding them. Since agonisticism and atheism are not two divergent concepts. You can say I don't know while at the same time say I don't believe this to be true.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
@wo14shs33co10 I agree with you regarding the rationality of atheism and agnosticism. In my case I have studied, searched and tried to rationalize christianity and the existence of the christian god as outlined in their holy book and with science. I am an atheist in regards to this deity. (cont)
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
@wo14shs33co10 From the discrepancies and inaccuracies of the bible I can say that I am an atheist regarding the xtian religion.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
"Atheism, secularism? Societies like this have had their moments in history before and they didn't look too pretty". Oh, spare me! As the late, great Christopher Hitchens said, Stalinism or the Khmer Rouge weren't the opposite of religion. The problem was they were too much like organized religion.They know what the truth is, base their conclusions on flimsy evidence, know what other people should think and how other people should live their lives.
forrestwieland 1 month ago
dude in all counts ive seen people have tried to brainwash me into believing in religion. a lot of atheist parents have taken there children to several different churches. you say dont group all christens together. stop grouping all atheists together when the majority of atheists introduce several religions to there children. another thing is you taking out quotes from his book where in another sentence he can clarify what he means.
erik9182 1 month ago
You want to speak to teh people that are guilty for more and more people leaving your religion. Talk to the nutheads that blow up buildings or make cummunitys in america that live like hundrets of years ago, these are the people responsible. Dawkins is right, your Video shows it, you speak about the Athiest "Movements" as it would be a trend, like everyone would come to this planet religious, well you propably believe that because of your Religion.
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
ATHEISM: the ability to be a good person in the purest sense, without ulterior motive. No incentive of a reward (Heaven) or blackmail (Hell), just selflessness. To be a Christian is 'to be like Christ'... but Jesus did not invent morality, no one did. You can be moral and altruistic without religion. There is nothing the Bible can teach that shouldn't come naturally to decent, loving person with a brain. Ask yourself- why are you Christian, and not of another faith? What makes YOUR God THE God?
SlayerOfThePumpkin 1 month ago
I'm sorry, you lost me when your argument made about as much sense as those who believe in space aliens abducting cattle for their experiments. Then enacting "Godwyn's Law" was the final blow to credibility.
The argument here is not all Christians are bad people and the media is picking on the Christians. Is this a fair summation? I don't understand how Christians can still play the martyr card after 2000 years. It seems that you're arguing a conspiracy theory where none really exists.
ScreamingMaus 1 month ago
people are turned away from it not through indoctrination,they are turned off it because its patently stupid,irrational nonsense which they understand is yet another thing that is there to control and manipulate their lives.unlike other forms of social control,it is also an insult to their intelligence.religion has been found out to such an extent that the church has had to change and remove aspects of doctrine,its laughable and fortunately becoming less and less relevant as generations die.
hotstixx 1 month ago
I got my atheism from the bible.My questions just started to acumulate from the bible and my obervation that i conducted myself.whether your theist or atheist or agnostic,it doesn't matter.there will always be people on the extream end of it.I don't think any one has a right to tell their children what they should be brainwashed with whether its religious or not.I think people have a right to teach their child how ever they see fit.As for me i will show my child everything.to bad about your vid.
curemymind 1 month ago
@curemymind My grammer sucks... I ment to say no one has a right to tell the parent what their child needs to be thought. I've seen religous people do bad things and i've seen atheist people do them as well.. It wont matter what you call yourself, it only matters what you do.. I may have more bad grammer but i think you can read the rest just fine :). still tho, to bad about your vid.. But it could be other religous groups to, you really cant tell on this. Just people that do not see your view.
curemymind 1 month ago
@curemymind I Agree with you! But in 1 point not, raising your children and teach them the facts and knowlegde we have now to live in the real world and understan dit the right way isnt the same as raisng your kids like 2000 years ago and after 18 years or more^^ you let them out in a World that doesnt quit fit in this thousands of years old books written over hundrets of years, come on
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
@DubbahBlanks you got that correct "your children" if "others children" want to be thought differently why should we controll that?.. We should only controll our own and they should controll their own with no one telling the other who is right or wrong. If we start doing that then it lead's to someone's freedom. If that's the way that they want to teach them then we got some morons out in the world :|, and they thenk the same towards our children.. Who is right? no one agrees...
curemymind 1 month ago
@curemymind yes your right eveyrone has tthe right to raise there kids. But heres where it ends. Because its not Ok to teach them jsut anything without giving them the choice of deciding themselfs, because once your grown its fixed in your head No its not ok to raise kids to believe that this myth is true and soforth keeps this unneccesary old stuff like religion alive wich it shouldnt be by now.
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
@curemymind We can expalin the World and the Universe around it pretty good, and the PC and your handy and everything proves it, because without scienece you wouldnt have none. Religion despise Science. Its not possible to get this to two in one line. Speaking of Homosexualls beeing Satanic, Kain & Abel ? Any bells ringin?
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
@DubbahBlanks Oh i agree with you, i just think that no freedom should be taking away no matter how dumb you wish to use that freedom. If religious people want to go with saying god did it which is a poor theory as to my understanding then why shouldn't they? Freedom is what lets us be as dumb or as smart as we want to get or be. I don't concern myself with which is right. all i care is that no freedom is takken, I come from a family that is religous, and i open my eyes.
curemymind 1 month ago
@curemymind Yeah but the Children have no Choice the hyve to belive it!
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
@DubbahBlanks I didn't have a choice, people do get out.. I am one of those along with many others... I like the freedom stick to hit radicals... Do you not trust in humanity like people like myself and others who can get out? What if your child wants to believe in god would you let them? Id rather let them make their own mind... And by that act its called freedom.. But do you have a choice when your born? or what is right for you to learn? its best to look for yourself...
curemymind 1 month ago
@curemymind Of course if its Old enough it will decide itself , thats my whole Point! If someday my Child comes to me and say well Dad im Christian, Moslem, Buddhist or whatever i tell em. Ok its fine to have a believe, but remember, just ebcause you believe it didnt mean everybody hast to believe it etc.. you know. Im not talking about grown People that decide for themself im talkin of the babies that got into the Chruch without having a choise. Born into a Dogma, well ......
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
@DubbahBlanks Didn't say everyone has to. Even those that come to my house talking about god this or god that. I let them in b/c im evil like that... I question the foundation of their beliefs and so on... But i entertain the question "what if god esists?" Well i say god isn't what the bible say's and god by its self is a poor theory. Even tho i say no one should say what you should teach your kid i mean that for them theist as well as atheist.. Keep no freedom from me..
curemymind 1 month ago
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@curemymind If that's the way that they want to teach them then we got some morons out in the world :|, and they thenk the same towards our children.. Who is right? no one agrees... Wrong because theay ACTUALLY RAISE idiots by purpose!
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
Absolutely everything that this annoying pimple is accusing atheists of doing, the religions of the world have been doing since the day man invented god. This is 'religion's' last ditch effort to stop progress and rational thought. Religion knows its time has come. So they call all counter views evil & militant, and most importantly say that the children are in danger, fear has been protecting religion for 1000s of years, so it only makes sense they would use it now.
AtheistsOfGP 1 month ago
I am sick of people saying hitler was a "darwinest"the only time he ever talked about darwin was to discredit him as hitler was a creationist mein kampf shows hitler said diversity had limits in kind the emergence of new species is impossible ,creationist use that today they may even have got it from hitler.volume one chapter 11 mein kampf read it for yourself.
It show Anti-atheist Brainwashing
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
This AsCeRbIc DULL DRY BoRiNg aNgLOW SaXoN niT 'wiT' is even MORE BORING to 'listen' to and sounds like Alan Rickman
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JBME 1 month ago
in Hitlers (a devout catholic)mein kamph he writes he is doing gods work (in the vatican on his birthday they have a mass for hitler every year) If you put religous understanding instead of propaganda it work just the same.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@ahhninjadragon Idiot Hitler killed Christians who refused to worship him and the Catholic Church
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet 1/2 IDIOT Hitler was catholic Killed Jews because it says in the "bibles new testament" that jews(that are not Christians)jews killed jesus and the should not live thay are go to hell.just like:-
Deuteronomy 3god orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@ahhninjadragon - actually Hitler killed Jews because he was a big believer in social Darwinism and sought to create a master race.
carriebrk 1 month ago
@ahhninjadragon Are you a revisionist?Hitler not only killed jews but Evangelical Christians,Gypsies,disabled people mentally ill persons or anyone who didnt fit his social Darwinist view
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet He didnt kill catholics except the ones who disagreed with Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria. As a Hitler boy he attended a monastery school.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@ahhninjadragon As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
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@SonofJaphet As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@ahhninjadragon Do you know why He ordered this killing?
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet Hitler was given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy.and he wrote “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home.
Sounds like most christians to me
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.”Adolf Hitler,1934, to Catholic bishops “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet I can do a lot more, you are you a revisionist if call him a atheist when it is written in his own hand on on video of him telling people he his a christian and a Catholic born and bred.
He is only one step away from anyother christian.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
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@SonofJaphet 2/2 Chronicles 21God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value he also kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people.Sound like god was a bigger killer of people who refused to worship him Hitler was just like god then, why dont you worship him then?
read your bible.........
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
People judge on merit if there is any Anti-Religious feeling it is the fault of religion not atheists.
Clean you own house and stop blaming others.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
I get it
Religious Brainwashing good.
atheist free speech bad.
Next take the vote from atheists and put them in the stocks.
"SATIRE"^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
they tried to slience free speech by flaggin this video...
MrBoomSonic 2 months ago 3
@MrBoomSonic Yeah, for people who always bang on about free speech there's a lot of atheists out there who really can't seem to stand it (hence the flagging). I would encourage you to mirror this video and put it on your own channel.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
we need to see MORE christians on a cross
monkeypeopleofearth 2 months ago
@monkeypeopleofearth So you are willing to kill me for believing in Jesus?If yes then come here and try me im waiting for you with a big hug
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet FUCK YOU AND YOUR FILTHY JESUS....and dont forget to suck Jesus Christ's cock and swallow his holy jizz
monkeypeopleofearth 1 month ago
@monkeypeopleofearth Hahaha typical braiwashed atheist response i love it!!
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
If you're a Christian... you're probably a racist, bigot, misogynist, homophobic liar, hypocrite, and completely delusional believing in talking snakes and donkeys.. I can list examples of all these attributes in the bible, including murdering your children for disobedience, murdering your wife for adultery, murdering homosexual (just because), genocide. the bible condones slavery. GOD himself murdered over 400,000 humans in the bible and ordered another 200,000 murdered.
monkeypeopleofearth 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet Typical try from a nuthead with no Arguments!
DubbahBlanks 1 month ago
"We need more and better instruction in comparative religion (and I'm sure you'll agree with me that any education in English literature is sadly impoverished if the child can't take allusions from the King James Bible)." -Richard Dawkins, New Statesman, Dec 14, 2011
Does that sound like someone who wants the irradiation of all religious material from education and the public forum? This video is NOTHING BUT straw-man arguments. NO ONE is persecuting the religious so well as OTHER RELIGIONS.
JoeWantsCake 2 months ago
Anti-religious brainwashing?!?
Pgaither84 2 months ago
wait, did he say anti-religious brainwashing?! right....
proofandevidence 2 months ago
ahh, I get it, you just hate freedom of speech
Dubickimus 2 months ago
So if I raise my children to respect rationalism, logic and free thought: I'm potentionally brainwashing them against religion? Should I teach my children to make life choices based on moral imperatives gleaned from a book written a thousand years ago about the characteristics and life a of god:a petty, unjust,vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, a capriciously malevolent bully. How to choose???
Moralatheist101 2 months ago 18
@Moralatheist101 You re just another Dawkins parrot admit it he s your god
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet I might parrot Dawkins but it's a lot better than having the blinders on and following the carrot like you guys do. FYI - I'm an atheist which means I don't believe in gods. Just telling you since you accused me of having Dawkins as my god. Your response sounded kind of like you don't actually know what an atheist is. You should have stayed in school and learned that along with some sort of punctuation. Just saying :)
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
I know what an atheist is ,i used to be one and english is not my first language,its my 2nd thats why my ponctuation is not perfect but its better than most of the atheists who respond to me.May i add that the U.S. has a maximum of 10 years left to live?I see a parallel with the Roman Empire.The more atheists there is the more America is sinking but thats normal it is written in the Bible that the last world empire will fall very rapidly and all the signs are there
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet Xtians consider themselves the majority when they want to make xtianity the dominant religion and the minority when they want to blame someone else for the problems.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet I congratulate you on having a good working of the English language considering it is not your first language. Kudos. And I too, see a parallel with the Roman Empire but not because of atheism (Rome was very religious) but because of the great seperation between the government and the people. As xtians are so prompt to say: the majority of America is christian...and here lies the problem.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
@Moralatheist101 i'm glad there are people like you in this world, no sarcasm intended, i'm sick of defending my logical thinking from these brainwashed religious people
SeanMDolan 1 month ago
@Moralatheist101 As a Agnostic. Common Sense is far superior then Logic or Reason. Common Sense takes into account Human Nature and Human Interactions. Logic and Reason dose not. You people dont even know how to conversation without being a FUCKING ASSHOLE. You cant even look at religion and see the bigger picture. All you see is your paranoid boogieman. Common Sense tells me. You cant go around acting like a assholes. Without having people thinking you are a Assholes.
Tuber77 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@Tuber77 ... says the guy that claims Dawkins wants to take children away and that he's in favor of eugenics ... no boogieman there ... and certainly no asshole xD
OriginalScuffler 1 month ago
@Tuber77 What is the bigger picture of religion? Is it religious wars? Is it homophobia? Wife abuse? Is it to make children hate others who don't believe like they do? Is it to produce pedaphiles? Is the big picture to make a suicide bomber? To deny the use of condoms in an Aids riddled area because god doesn't like it? Maybe it's the fact that religion suppresses women - even american religions? Tell me Tuber77, is this the bigger picture? If I am an asshole for pointing these things out-ok.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
Believe in iron age fables and ancient fairy tales at your own peril. Don't blame others when they find your nonsense to be just that.
trythinkingnow 2 months ago 15
Every corner church,yet they are still scared,soon every pillow would be sold with bible as pair.
osemoboable 2 months ago
So this is what they come up with. They can't debate us with logic and reason, so they use this crap. This is as bad as the Illuminati conspiracy nuts.
shishiromura 2 months ago
@shishiromura What the.....!!! lol! Surely you jest? Have you been asleep over the last couple of months or something? We want to debate issues! It's you guys who go cowering off. William Lane Craig has just been in the UK calling Richard Dawkins out on his own Oxford turf to debate. Dawkins resolutely refused preferring instead to throw stones and whine at a distance in the press. The man is a snivelling coward and you should be ashamed at having a pic of him as your icon
TheStenerX 2 months ago
@TheStenerX Actually you are sadly misinformed. Threatening hell is old now. So now you say that honest people who are leading people away from being brainwashed are in in fact brainwashing us. pathetic. The only reason you say they are brainwashing us is because you think you are right and will do everything in your power, such as blatently lying to us, to prove you are right. Apparently you dont seem to know when someone has lost because you, and your William Craig have lost.
shishiromura 2 months ago
@TheStenerX Debating with you is obviously going to be useless, so we are done here.
shishiromura 2 months ago
cray cray
liltonyabc 2 months ago
Oh yes, people in the minority have always been massive targets of persecution. . . Wake up, stop being so ignorant. Religion is classical brainwashing at it's best. Read books, hell even read your holy book. Study it's origin and not just where you are told it came from.
joemantex 2 months ago
The purpose of science is to ascertain what -is-. It does not -- and should never -- seriously entertain something if it's completely unfalsifiable, verdically worthless material in which there exists not a shred of evidence. You may argue what constitutes as "evidence," and propose that the uniformity of nature is evidence -- but, scientifically, there is no valid reason to correlate what -is- with what is completely unobservable, unfalsifiable, and untestable (God).
Elena9525 2 months ago
By the rationale and logic of intelligent design proposers, shouldn't every single possibility be exhaustively dissected in the "science classroom"? What if our universe is just a purposeless "simulation"? What if the moon exists only because a man living in pre-historic times (before written records) -willed- it to exist? These are as unfalsifiable and unprovable as intelligent design, and, from a scientific perspective, are equally rational. All of the claims are verdically WORTHLESS.
Elena9525 2 months ago
"Intelligent design can't even be taught in the science classroom!"
Um, it's unofficially a practical abomination to speak of evolution in many of America's schools. By the way, I.D. doesn't belong in science because there's a complete, utter, absolute lack of mutually exclusive, compelling evidence of it. And, that's how science -fundamentally- WORKS -- a foundation of testable and observable empirical and mutually exclusive evidence that that links one chain to another.
Elena9525 2 months ago
What did this video prove?
That, in the face of blinding and mounting reason, humanity is still desperately, sadly, and hopelessly trying to perpetuate to self-deception -- trying to rationalize the utterly irrational, indoctrinating susceptible youth with heavily warped curriculum designed to churn out robotic, stiff religious individuals with sets of static values, and attacking reason with unfalsifiable, unprovable, dishonest, and slick-tongued rationale that, superficially, seems clever.
Elena9525 2 months ago
Interesting that you think of books as a 'propaganda source' and yet everything you believe comes from a book that does nothing but tell people what to do and how they will be punished if they don't agree...your arguments are risible..
pieter292 2 months ago
"But all people of faith are been characterised as ....deluded." If one religion is the right one, then all the "people of faith" who follow other religions are deluded.
Smithpolly 2 months ago
No dick...Dawkins uses language intelligently and succinctly to express his opinions..it's only 'dangerous and provocative' to you cos you a.don't agree with him and b.do not have the IQ to counter what he says with anything apart from fear and superstition... propaganda source?..is it distributed in schools? found in hotel rooms?do people meet every Sunday to discuss it with old pedophiles?.no...that's another book I'm thinking of but then I'm sure you don't think that is propaganda!..
pieter292 2 months ago
You are entitled to your opinion, of course ,but the way you portrayed the so called "atheist" societies is quite wrong. Stalin ,Mao and Pol Pot regimes were all cases of state religion as well as Hitler and (fortunately)the recently deceased K.Jong Il .
All of this just proves how dangerous the indoctrinated mind is.
flioink 2 months ago
@flioink I know he did but let's be honest,he's not the sharpest tool in the box is he??
pieter292 2 months ago
Typical Christian=Perpetual Victimhood. You and your Cults of death, can go to hell. Say hi to The Magical Sky Daddy, for me. Toodles
penlovmov 2 months ago
anti religious? are you insane!!!!!!!!! religious people have been trying to brainwash people since religion was conceived. The entire bible was modified by the roman empire to brainwash people.
habadashery2009 2 months ago
@pbar1000
Atheists don't believe in your god, to say we hate him is illogical. Also I don't hate his followers, just some of the extremist kinds (of all religions).
UnknownUserName4267 2 months ago
@UnknownUserName4267 Oh but the 3.0 atheists DO HATE GOD. They say they do not believe in Him but that's all they can talk about lol. By the way, most Christians have a problem with the religious extremists also, thus the making of my friend Shaz's video here.
pbar1000 2 months ago
@pbar1000
You cannot hate something if you don't think it exists. Say it all you want but it doesn't make it so.
UnknownUserName4267 2 months ago
Religion is very much like a virus. Dawkins is right.
theshredator 2 months ago
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Really? Seriously? I'm just going to assume you are joking, or I'll have to see you as a complete idiot. I am atheist, and part of the reason is because I was tired of people trying to FORCE me to be religious. Religion IS dangerous. I've been much happier since I've left the delusional fear of going to hell for thinking sexual thoughts about someone beautiful. Jesus is santa for adults. You're delusional.
vaguevocalist17 2 months ago
@vaguevocalist17 You cant force someone to be a religious..Christian anyway. If someone was forcing you they were VERY misguided. Becoming a Christian has to be a personal decision that you want to do or else there's no point in doing it.
tharemedybeats 2 months ago
@tharemedybeats Of course you can't FORCE people to do anything, but you can sure pressure them until they break. You can tell them constantly that they are going to hell if they don't change. You can guilt trip them for abandoning your culture. You can tell them they have no reason to live without it. Atheists are horribly discriminated against. They are persecuted. They are demonized. It's not right.
vaguevocalist17 2 months ago
derp....
masluxx 2 months ago
I feel like you think that atheists are angry about what religious people believe just because they think it's stupid, and that's really not it. It's that it affects us in ways that we simply don't feel we should have to deal with. Why have women been treated like second class citizens for thousands of years? Why are gays not given the right to marry? Why did the bible say nothing about prohibiting slavery? Why didn't Jesus come down and stop the Crusades, or the Inquisition? It fucking sucks.
TheBigbennyful 2 months ago
Grow some balls and quit pretending you're a victim.
No own will stop you from praying or from going to church.
MrHoolits 2 months ago
I don't buy any of this. Comparing the mocking of Christianity with Nazi persecution of the Jews is not on the same level.
rocknrollcola 2 months ago
@rocknrollcola Not yet. Hitler didn't just come out right and say hey lets kill all the jews.. no one would have been behind him. First you slowly have to get the society to dislike them... thats exacty whats happening right now.
tharemedybeats 2 months ago
@tharemedybeats I don't buy it. Society disagrees with Evangelical Christians because they are delusional. They are spewing things that oppressive. They are more to the level of the Nazi party.
rocknrollcola 2 months ago
Are you that scouse nutter that walks around London with a megaphone and a sign that says "Don't be a sinner, be a winner"? If so, you are well known to the police and public as a pest. I see you've branched your religious trolling out and onto youtube now!
TheGroggler 2 months ago