To remove the emotional aspect altogether, the Earth has the resources to sustain approximately 3 billion humans indefinitely. Each child born puts us deeper and deeper into the likelihood that we will outgrow our petrie dish and die off entirely. If you believe human life to truly be sanctified then how do you balance the lives of those living now against those coming in the future?
@Mugulord To add the emotional aspect back in, how can you strip the rights of the mother in defense of the child? You aren't gaining any moral ground, you are just taking a moral cop out by saying "I don't want babies to be hurt" and put the blinders on when someone else says "And what of all the women that die during birth? What of the rape victims you would force to bring their child to term?" You sir, are a monster. You call your side of the argument moral and ignore the other.
@Mugulord I think that comment was intended for me.
You argue that it is a moral cop out to assert the right to life of the unborn child over the right to abort of the mother. Your argument acknowledges the humanity of the unborn child, but automatically subverts its rights to those of the mother to abort. Why? On what basis? The mother is bigger?
I, sir, am a monster. Wait, am I the guy arguing for abortion?
"The earth has the resources to sustain approx. 3 billion humans indefinitely."
Really? What else can you pull out of your butt? Mankind has an infinite capacity to change the circumstances and challenges of nature, for good or ill.
Children aren't millstones around humanity's neck. They are humanity's future. They're our replacements. I guess I'm not quite as self-regarding as you are.
I don't believe in removing the child in the face of poverty, but in removing the poverty.
No, that's his son who is four years old, you fucking idiot. He and his wife were attempting to have another child when they discovered the baby girl had sirenomelia (meaning no kidneys or bladder).
By "sharp tool" do you mean "loudmouthed idiot who can't even pay attention to the video being discussed"?
LOOK, YOU CEREBRAL FAILURE - YOU "KNOW" THESE PEOPLE, YOU "TALK" TO THESE PEOPLE - SO I ASKED A QUESTION OR TWO, IF I HAD KNOWN WHAT AN EGOTISTICAL FUCKTARD ASSHOLE YOU WERE, I WOULD NEVER HAD REPLIED TO YOU! I DOUBT YOU "KNOW THESE PEOPLE, I DOUBT YOU "TALK" TO THESE PEOPLE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT YOU ARE A LYING REPROBATE WHO HAS NO LIFE, SO YOU LIE ON THE INTERNET TO FOOL CHILDREN INTO BELIEVEING YOU ARE SOMEBODY. YOU ARE A LOSER, TAM BUMP YOURSELF, AND A VERY GOOD BYE!
If you believe in God then you must believe that God has aborted millions and millions of unborn babies in the shape of miscarriages. So anyone bringing the God argument into this, don't.
In the face of what he says surely any objectively thinking person would realise what they are doing is wrong. Obviously those two women are subjectively thinking morons. If they are thinking at all that is.
Sometimes I think people are morons, and obviously that's always over a difference of opinion. However, sometimes I have a difference of opinion with people but don't always think they are morons. In conclusion, me disagreeing with someone is not the common denominator in thinking they are a moron. Cheers.
@SamCoreJ I'll grant that you know something about common denominators because you are the lowest one. Also, why did you write 'Cheers'. Just because you're drinking, you shouldn't automatically assume that other people are.
@ST4leave God gave us free will, but we are supposed to try to resist evil. Murder is evil. Abortion is murder. We are to use our free will to reject and condemn sin.
@circushead COMRADE Resist Evil Do you LIve in AMerica Who has killed Millions and back so many Dictators all in the name of Freedom, and Spreading democracy, Resist Evil Then Boy cot Gas and Bring the System down, How do think we get our cloths cheap someone has to suffer. On the back of our money it says “in God We Trust” The god Stands for the God they like Gold Oil Drugs. America and Western countries are EVIL AND WE MOST RESIST,
There is nothing in the bible to condemn or ban abortion. In fact the bible itself holds that the life of a woman is more important than that of a fetus.
'Thou shalt not kill' applied ONLY to fellow Israelites if you bother to read the context. Notice also how it also doesn't apply to homosexuals, disobedient children, women not virgins at marriage, etc...
Why don't you look up Exodus 22? It states that causing death to a pregnant woman is punished by death but causing her to miscarry without harming her is only punishable by a monetary fine. The Bible is very clear that an unborn child is not considered a living person.
@loner1878 Okay, I think what's happened here is that you abandoned that book, The Bible, a little early. What you've got to do is keep on reading, right into something called The New Testament. Keep going, buddy, you're gonna love it!
So I take it you reject everything before the New Testament - that homosexuality is a sin, the ten commandments, Noah's Ark, god creating the world in six days, Moses's story, etc?
So where does the New Testament ban or condemn abortion? :)
@loner1878 Not at all. But Jesus Christ doesn't appear until the New Testament, and what he has to say is important. Hence, 'Christianity'.
Jesus famously taught that "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do unto me." There is no better definition of the least of His brethren than the unborn children. Helpless, and in our world, largely despised and ignored should they be developing in "inconvenient" circumstances, as Steve Jobs did.
"Helpless, and in our world, largely despised and ignored"
What a load of crap. You honestly want to argue that fetuses are "despised and ignored" in the world?
Jesus also said "Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword." And: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
@loner1878 Yes, if you read the rest of that sentence, "should they be inconvenient". The "inconvenient" ones certainly are despised, to the point of being killed. Is there a bigger measure of being despised than that? They are ignored in that their humanity is denied.
Yes, Jesus did say that, and I suppose this argument is in part the fulfillment of his prophesy.
I drag Steve Jobs into it because Steve Jobs was an inconvenient baby, but was not dragged from the womb and killed.
@circushead Charles Mansons Mother wanted anabortion, but didn't have the $ for an abortion. I'm sure the victims of Mansons followers and their families would've rather Manson was 'dragged from the womb and killed'
@dianalee84 Really? And by what means would the future crimes of the in utero Charles Manson be divined? Are you in possession of a time machine. Because even if you were, his abortion would still be wrong. Killing someone because you think they may commit crimes later? Wow. I guess when you read Orwell's '1984' you thought, "Man, now THAT'S a government!"
@loner1878 I'm not imagining over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. If that's not a symptom of our contempt for the inconvenient unborn, I don't know what is. You advocate the mass murder of abortion, and then you try to refute the claim that the unborn are despised.
The truth is not to be found in you, is it?
"There is no "dragged from the womb and killed" in abortion."
Abortions existed LONG before Row v Wade, kid. Records of abortion go back over 4000 years all over the world.
I guess the number of conceptions prevented by condom use or pulling out must give you panic attacks. The number must be in the sheer trillions just in the last few years. OH THE HUMANITY! Sperm are so despised!
The uterine lining and fetal cell clump are simply detached from the uterine wall via suction.
Your claim about Steve Jobs was stupid. Realize it.
Its not murder at all, you drama queen. Simple as that.
On the contrary, to claim a fertilized egg is a child shows how ignorant and out of touch with reality you are.
Well you have to take out the pre fetal cell clump. That's the whole point, moron.
Your ignorance is painfully obvious. Being pro CHOICE means you support a woman's right to parent, have an abortion or an adoption. It is up to the woman to decide the outcome of a pregnancy. No option should be forced.
@loner1878 Yes, a fetal clump becomes a newborn who becomes a toddler who becomes a chld who becomes a teenager who becomes an adult who becomes, in your case, a piece of shit who calls unborn children "fetal clumps" in an effort to deny their humanity and justify their eradication.
It's an old trick, using semantics to justify murder. It puts you in most ill-chosen company. There's no such thing as a small murder.
You know perfectly well I was referring to your dramatic dumb ass. If you think the childish, half assed, laughable insults you keep throwing at me do any good, you're an even worse case than I thought. After all, ad hominems are the desperate last resort of shit debaters who have nothing of substance to say. Glad to see you've had to resort to them in such a short time. Do I really intimidate you so much?
I don't care to hear about your creepy obsession with Steve Jobs m'kay?
I guess you would be out of some fancy toys if he had been aborted, but its not like you would actively know the difference. Maybe someone else would have invented other technology?
@loner1878 You don't care to hear anything which refutes your embrace of the culture of death.
You know what you have no right to do? You have no right to enjoy your life and speculate on 'what if' situations had Steve Jobs been aborted, while you glibly deny the right to that very same life of unborn children whose only crime is being vulnerable, and who are in precisely the same state you and I once were. You're a monument to dishonesty and cruelty. You're a fascist.
@loner1878 How do I fit the definition of fascist better than you do? I'm the one who does NOT advocate grounding millions of lives to bloody pulp under my jackboots.
You want women forced to submit to your idea or what's right with no consideration for their wishes, no concern for the harm that comes when abortion is made illegal. No, you would just have thousands of women killed and maimed by illegal abortions. But of course its well known you don't give a shit about actual living women.
You can interpret "the least of my brethren" as whatever you want, but your opinion does not make gospel.
You want to know who is really overwhelmingly helpless, largely despised and ignored in the world? Women. And you are part of that by wanting to rip away bodily autonomy, a basic right, away from women.
@loner1878 Interpreting "the least of my brethren" as unborn children ain't much of stretch, bud.
I don't wish to rip autonomy away from any women. In fact, if I hated women, I would support abortion. One out of every two children murdered by abortion are female, and the technology of sex selection is increasing that ratio among certain cultures.
If you want to support women, oppose abortion. Stand up for all kinds of life.
Like I said, you're free to use your little imagination. But it doesn't carry much weight based on your opinion alone.
LOL, what a load of crap. Most abortions take place before gender can be distinguished, so I know you're pulling that little claim out of your ass. Sex selective abortion is a symptom of patriarchy, not legal abortion. In many places female infants are drowned. You blaming abortion is like blaming water.
@loner1878 Actually, you are wrong. Life is a biological fact. The unborn child is a living person. You call it an issue of philosophy because you are morally and politically compromised. And you're cruel.
I liked the way you said I have the insult ability of a fifth grader. I suppose that prevents me from telling you have your head up your ass.
You're spewing bullshit again and further showing how ignorant of biology you are. All you have are baseless (and funny) insults rather than anything of substance to say. You're full of it.
How about the bogus claim you keep making that biology is what states that "life begins at conception" or it "proves" that abortion is murder when all that is subjective opinion.
It is very subjective. You can't define it any better than I can, because biology simply does not have "scientific evidence" establishing when life begins. It is subjective opinions based on subjective morality. Don't bullshit me, you have no "scientific evidence" for your position.
@loner1878 I know that conception results in human beings, and I conclude, therefore, that the human being's life begins at the moment of conception.
You are unable to provide a scientifically verifiable alternative to my assertion. You say it is a matter of subjectivity. It is not. That is a convenient lie.
I would suggest that you embrace science and concede that human life begins at the moment of conception.
Once you do that, you must also concede that abortion is murder.
Yet you refuse to want to acknowledge the more than 50% of conceptions that never implant, miscarry and appear as regular periods. Accorsing to you, these are human beings and you are content with them being flushed down toilets or tossed out in wastebaskets. So funny you are so blind to your own contradictions.
What a joke. I'll remind you you haven't provided a "scientifically verifiable" claim to back up your own assertion. You only based it off your SUBJECTIVE opinion.
@loner1878 Why do you attempt to compare conceptions that fail to implant, naturally, to abortions, which are deliberate, invasive pregnancy terminations?
I've been thinking the same about you for a few pages now. I already told you we could have an adult conversation when you grew up. Its nothing personal.
Values voters have an insatiable desire to impose their value, morals, and ideology on others. They are undemocratic, immoral, and vile. These reprehensible people should be, and need to be called out for their self-righteous hatefulness masquerading as morality.
I'm glad this gentleman put these women in their place, although they are so thick, they didn't realize it.
I don't think he is awesome. He is ignorant. What makes him think he and his wife had the right to murder the baby just because he/she had birth defects?
Are you kidding me? I hope you're trolling bro, that's just bad lol.
So it should be YOUR saying that counts instead of the actual father and mother? Fetus had a birth defect, illness, disorder, etc it should be the PARENTS who decide whether to abort the fetus or give birth to it, it's THEIR choice not some fat self-righteous soccer mom's choice while holding up a picture of Jesus like a hypocrite.
Go back to church, the real world is not yours to control.
@AenimaJoe I am the father of a handicapped child, and noone, me included, ever had the right to take that away. Also have a friend whose child had heart condition which was operated on in the womb. Beautiful kid, as is mine. As far as controlling the real world, if we don't stand up for the rights of the defenseless, we will surely loose our own rights.
Week 10: The genitals begin to develop at this stage, determining the sex of the fetus. Brain development is also very rapid, as the brain is forming 250,000 neurons per minute.
Week 11: The spinal cord is clearly defined and the spinal nerves start to stretch out from the spinal cord.
Week 8: By this week the head is quite large, as compared to the rest of the body. The development of the hind brain, responsible for regulating heartbeat, breathing and all concerned muscle movements also begins now.
Week 9: The nervous system by now is quite developed for proper functioning
Week 6: This week sees the formation of the brain hemispheres, and also some wave activity. The neural tube that connects the brain and spinal cord also closes in this duration.
Week 7: By this week the brain is growing at a rapid rate and its formation is nearing completion.
Week 5: As the brain continues to develop, other organs like the circulatory system, begin to function with all four chambers of the heart present. The facial features begin to develop, with a clear distinguished vision (through ultrasound) of arms and legs, complete with fingers.
Week 3: Although it is still an embryo in its definition and formation, the backbone, cardio-vascular system (a beating heart) and the brain begins to form.
Week 4: In this phase, the embryo further develops the three brain sections; fore brain, middle brain and hind brain, along with the optical stalk.
@DarkBeauty1989 But what if she doesn't want to go through the pregnancy? Some women have health issues that would make pregnancy dangerous. Others have job issues - they couldn't afford hospital leave, or they'd lose their job. I'm a model, I'd be out of work for a year! Also, you seem to assume only single women get abortions. There are plenty of married or committed couples who don't want children, as is my case. Being chaste until the woman hits menopause is just silly, and not realistic.
@SpinerFan If she does not want to go through the pregnacy when she made the choice to get pregnant by having sex ,she is being selfish. If she CANT (not want )go through the pregnacy because of the danger of losing her life then I agree abortion is ok since someone is dying either way. The mother is just as important as the unborn baby. I worked when I was pregnant . Sucks that you picked a vain job . Get another job . Make the baby daddy pay child support also. Dont want kids get fixed .
@SpinerFan "There are plenty of married or committed couples who don't want children, as is my case"
I am married and I dont really want more kids(i do and I dont) but if I get pregnant I will want to keep my baby &take care of it. Then I will get fixed where I cant get pregnant. You being married should make sure your husband can support you and a child if you are going to have sex with him . Get fixed if you dont want kids. Use birth control and condoms at the same time. adOPTION not abortion
@john12892 Yes abortion can be avoided unless medical reasons ofcourse. There is adOPTION and keeping the child. No excuse. No it was legalized because selfish women kept trying to give their self home abortions.
@DarkBeauty1989 no it can be avoided. Do you honestly believe that if government had the power to make it illegal, abortions would honestly just stop overnight? I'm all about people's choices, and you're right adoption is one. But another way to look at that is abortion is away to avoid homeless children. And those self homes ones are the reason it can be avoided.
@john12892 thats right it can be avoided lol. You just admitted adoption is a choice . Now you know why prolife people are also prochoice . Are you trying to say homeless people dont deserve to live? omg i guess we should just kill them to . The fetus was already created this is why abortion should not be a option. the unborn baby is alive,has a heartbeat,brain.and even a nervous system. Cant tell me it does not feel pain when it has a nervous system.
@DarkBeauty1989 Im not saying we need to kill homeless people, lets just not force an unwanted baby into a world where they might not be guaranteed a home, outside of government. And A fetus has to develop those things overtime, A fetus is actually considered a parasite in a scientific sense, because it is completely dependent on the host(mother) so, by definition, it's not a person. And yes I made a grammar boo boo. :)
@john12892 If you are saying a unborn baby does not deserve to live just because they might not be adopted then you are saying orphans dont have the right to live also.
A fetus has a heart beat,brain,and nervous system when it is aborted in the first trimester.
@DarkBeauty1989 but until the fetus is born, it's still a parasite. And we can't start giving parasites rights over women. Also, in a philosphical sense, no one has the "right to live," otherwise we could not enforce capital punishment on murderers. but in terms of "already alive" people vs fetuses, there is a fine line. and that is that a orphan has a conscience of what is going on. especially knowing that they have no family. but they have a right to live. fetuses do not. sorry
@john12892 a fetus is already alive. Oh no killing the orphans will put them out of their suffering ..thats your logic.I guess killing infants that might have a horrible life is ok too. A fetus is aware.the proof of that is slient scream the abortion of a 12 week fetus. They feel pain so it is wrong to kill them.
@DarkBeauty1989 and yet, i never said it wasnt alive. it just is not conscience or able to live without its mother. that is why fetuses are classified as parasites. And they can feel pain? really? fetuses are able to "scream" without the ability to breathe out of the noise and mouth yet? I dont believe that. not such thing as a silent scream either, a scream is a loud yell, a scream is never silent. thats a paradox.
@john12892 Yes a fetus has a nervous system so it feels pain. You proabortion people make the most lame excuses to kill a unborn baby just so you can keep having sex and not take responsibility for your actions. So what the unborn baby cant live without its mother? A infant cant live without someone taking care of it either I guess we should kill it then. You want to kill unborn babies,infants,and orphans wow
@DarkBeauty1989 Well i think everyone on this comment page as already proven that you, darkbeauty, have no argument on this. A baby as a nervous system so it feels pain? yet again, what medical facts are backing that theory? An Alzhiemer patient has a brain, but it cannot remember. see how easy your logic falls apart. And I do not want to kill babies, i have never killed a baby, just because I am Pro-choice, doesnt mean i am out slaughtering babies. and what is with the oprhans?
@john12892 a fetus has a nervous system around week 9. Are you saying we should kill everyone with alzhiemers? My grandmother had that before she died. You have no morals . By your logic it is ok to kill infants and orphans. By your logic it is ok to kill a child that was not wanted by the mother.
@DarkBeauty1989 Saw a great fight on an anti abort forum, about giving fetuses painkillers before abortion, half said 'Yes, we want to reduce any pain they might possibly have..The other corner were the NOS 'NO Way should we give fetuses painkillers! That might make the women feel less bad about her abortion, We Cant Do That! Proof for me, that trying to shame women is more important to many antis than the 'babies' are.
@dianalee84 yeah that like saying we should give kids pain killers when we kill them if we dont want them. If it was about anything other then trying to save a life I would be a proabortion selfish person. It is all about saving the life to me. The mothers that MURDER their own child should be ashamed just like Casey Anthony
@DarkBeauty1989 Still need a medical report stating that. And why is it your arguments are nothing more than taking what i say, and then add in "i want to kill them?" I have no morals? no, i do, I just looks at things on a bigger scale. crying over a baby that isnt yours in the first place isnt going to make it way on my "things to do" list. and my logic is no kill everything in sight, it was trying to understand the garbage your spewing.
@john12892 Those facts came off a random website on the development of a unborn baby. Yes that is your logic to kill anything that isnt wanted. Your morals are garbage. Your morals throw dead babies into the garbage. So what I creid when Casey Anthony killed her kid. IDC if she is mine or not. Sorry I am a caring person with compassion not a heatless pro kill any unwanted baby /person like you.
@DarkBeauty1989 Random websites? yea, this argument is done. You morals are in the wrong spot. all of the bad things that happen in life, andyou're worried about abortion. yea, this is why nothing in america gets done anymore. At the end of the day, you need to realize that Roe v. Wade does exist and trying to call everyone a "baby killer" is a horrible arguement. The human population is growing, not decreasing. put your energy into something that might help the population.
@DarkBeauty1989 Anyone who wants to give the rights of a womans body to a child over the woman herself is not-american in any shape or form. and people who support abortion are not the ones killing the fetus themselves. so calling them babykillers makes no sense.
@john12892 If you support rape are you not just as bad as a rapist? Giving a woman the right to KILL another being is taking that unborn babies right to live away . I am 100% american. Freedom to live.
@DarkBeauty1989 Perhaps we should label smokers as murderers while we're at it and throw them all in jail for causing second hand smoke. So you think it is perfectly okay for a teenage girl to be raped in high school and force her spend the next 9 months dealing PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY with the fact that she is carrying her rapists child? I also find it ironic when you say freedom to live because it sounds more or less like you are trying to impose your beliefs on others.
@Gears6859 smoking should be illegal. Most prolife people agree abortion is acceptable in cases of rape and health isssues. Abortions in cases of rape hardly happen. Oh sorry I want every innocent unborn baby to have the freedom to live. I guess telling Casey Anthony that killing her kid was wrong would be forcing my beliefs onto her?
@DarkBeauty1989 You believe everything should be illegal: smoking, drugs, and sex for teens. If we were still primates, we'd all be having so much sex without a second thought. It's biology baby and it's the sole purpose of living. Casey Anthony murdering her child was a horrible crime but can you murder something that has not been born? What is life? How you define life is everything here and fortunately, we all define life differently....
@DarkBeauty1989 I understand that you want to protect life, many of us do too, but we've become to accustomed of trying to save everyone and protect everything. We keep people on life support for years when we should have euthanized them. Murder is one thing but terminating life to ease their passing, or to prevent death during pregnancy should be okay. I agree with you though - abortions as a means of birth control should be frowned upon. Unplanned pregnancy happens though.
@DarkBeauty1989 no you're not, you can support anything you want to, thats the beauty of america. But you're only a rapist if you commit rape, which throws out your arguement that supporters of abortion commit abortions. and a baby is a being, but not a human being yet, which excludes it from having any sort of rights to a womans body before the woman. america is about freedom to be free, and that also includes anti-choicer's idea that they know whats best for how you should live
@john12892 If someone supports rape to me they are a rapist. They help carry on the rape of women by supporting it. No a unborn baby is a human it has human DNA. Just because you murder it before it has the chance to fully develope does not mean it should not have rights. I am vegetarian so the human or not human debate wont help you.
@DarkBeauty1989 a human being is defined in three things it must have. A mind, body, and spirt( not in a faithful way) and someone who supports something is not the same as the ones who commit it, that would make no sense in a lot of cases. besides you used a bad example, who honestly supports rape that they themselves dont actually do it? and people who get birth control abortions have more underlining detail then the typical "slut" who couldnt keep her pants on.
@@garand Condoms break, and the Pill can fail. How is that a woman choosing to get pregnant? A woman should never be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy, and it's not your or anyone else's business if she gets an abortion. Also, "mother of a dead baby"? Most abortions ate performed early enough that it doesn't qualify as a baby. It's a lump of tissue with no human functions, and I'm offended that you think so little of women thag you consider them to be humzn incubators.
@SpinerFan considering that the vast majority of abortions are done due to lack of birth control, your statement is invalid. I'm offended at your ignorance and lack of ability to type.
i think all of this is circumstancial.... if there really is a legitemate reason for not having the baby, such as strong possibilities of birth defects, being raped, etc, then yea i believe its more morally right to abort it. however, if its just cuz of an accident, like birth control not working or a condom breaking, then you shouldnt be allowed to abort it, cuz you know the consquences, and you still choose to make certain decisions.
While I disagree with abortion, I feel people should still have the right to choose, as a couple, whether to perform that procedure or not. Government shouldn't step in the way.
Fuck these Jesus freak whores, there is no god. Should've beat these ladies down. People think they can do shit without consequence. I'm one that brings the hammer down. Fuck these people
Recieved a few angry replys to my message but I don't commune with child killers, I can't expect to rationalize with people who support killing babies, don't even regard them as human to be honest. But there was one excuse of a man who likened abortion to masturbation, human life begins when an egg is ferterlised, unless of course your reading an 1800's science journal. but i understand that guilty people must justify their actions to themselves, sure hitler did too.
@daron316 Approximatly 1 in 4 US women will have an abortion during her childbearing years. So I've No Doubt you've communcated with plenty of 'babykillers' and probably know and like some of them. A teacher you liked in school,a co-worker,the cute waitress,a friend, ...Nancy Reagan is Prochoice. So are both the Bush ex first ladies. What about women who've had miscarriages? Guilty of man/fetus/slaughter? An IVF worker who drops a petrie dish full of zygote people? Guilty of mass murder?
@daron316 Because you responded to my comment shows me that you do care. You give a care one way or the other, or you wouldn't have said anything to me, or to anyone else here.
@daron316 no offense but how come everyone refers to the abortions as "killing babies?" I know its just the catch word like estate tax=death tax because it has a profound effect on how people view abortion but a baby isnt a baby when its a fertilized egg
@xdxdoom Is that so well get on your little youtube search engine and view A 'silent scream' and you'll clearly see a baby trying to avoid the needle. If you got the stomach for it. Then look up the life of Dr. Bernard N. Nathanson. See how you feel then. As soon as technology became available to view abortions and see the real horror of what happens
Here's a good way to look at this whole abortion argument from both sides.
Liberals: why get angry at conservatives for telling you NOT to kill YOUR unborn children? It's nothing to get angry about, because some of them actually care.
Conservatives: why should you care if liberals want to kill their own unborn children. As long as they aren't trying to force you to kill YOUR babies - like in China - it just might be a good thing.
this poor old slave master is mad at the pro lifers. if slavery were legal he would be a slave owner. i bet he thinks that because blacks look different they should be enslaved again. coward.
I'm talking about proof that someone did a killing. If three or more people are standing there and watched you kill a bunch of people and you got caught. Then you should die period. since you decided it's ok to take there right to life away then you just gave yours up when you killed them.No more spending millions of dollars to house killers. That money could be spent helping people.
The husband needs to get his ass kicked, knocked out, then piss on his face and mouth.
IrenaPrude 53 minutes ago
Sounds just like Joe Rogan... Just Sayin'
ISUChemicalEngineer 1 day ago
@Circushead:
To remove the emotional aspect altogether, the Earth has the resources to sustain approximately 3 billion humans indefinitely. Each child born puts us deeper and deeper into the likelihood that we will outgrow our petrie dish and die off entirely. If you believe human life to truly be sanctified then how do you balance the lives of those living now against those coming in the future?
Mugulord 2 days ago
@Mugulord To add the emotional aspect back in, how can you strip the rights of the mother in defense of the child? You aren't gaining any moral ground, you are just taking a moral cop out by saying "I don't want babies to be hurt" and put the blinders on when someone else says "And what of all the women that die during birth? What of the rape victims you would force to bring their child to term?" You sir, are a monster. You call your side of the argument moral and ignore the other.
Mugulord 2 days ago
@Mugulord I think that comment was intended for me.
You argue that it is a moral cop out to assert the right to life of the unborn child over the right to abort of the mother. Your argument acknowledges the humanity of the unborn child, but automatically subverts its rights to those of the mother to abort. Why? On what basis? The mother is bigger?
I, sir, am a monster. Wait, am I the guy arguing for abortion?
Let me check? Nope, not me. I'm not the monster.
circushead 2 days ago
@Mugulord
"The earth has the resources to sustain approx. 3 billion humans indefinitely."
Really? What else can you pull out of your butt? Mankind has an infinite capacity to change the circumstances and challenges of nature, for good or ill.
Children aren't millstones around humanity's neck. They are humanity's future. They're our replacements. I guess I'm not quite as self-regarding as you are.
I don't believe in removing the child in the face of poverty, but in removing the poverty.
circushead 2 days ago
BET YA HE AIN'T EVEN MARRIED - BET YA HE IS JUST TALKIN' SHIT!
jehovahuponyou 3 days ago
@jehovahuponyou
He is married. You're talking shit.
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878
DO YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY?
DIS HIS WIFE HAVE A SICK CHILD WITHIN HER AT THE TIME?
jehovahuponyou 3 days ago
@jehovahuponyou
I've seen his blog, his videos of his wife and kid, and yes even spoken with him. Which you, obviously, have not.
Get the brick off your CAPS lock. It makes you look like a TOOL.
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 - THIS 'KID' HE HAS, HOPEFULLY NOT A PET GOAT, IS THAT THE LIL FELLOW HE SAID WAS SO SICK AS A FETUS?
YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE I AM A SHARP TOOL!
jehovahuponyou 3 days ago
@jehovahuponyou
No, that's his son who is four years old, you fucking idiot. He and his wife were attempting to have another child when they discovered the baby girl had sirenomelia (meaning no kidneys or bladder).
By "sharp tool" do you mean "loudmouthed idiot who can't even pay attention to the video being discussed"?
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 - LMAO!
LOOK, YOU CEREBRAL FAILURE - YOU "KNOW" THESE PEOPLE, YOU "TALK" TO THESE PEOPLE - SO I ASKED A QUESTION OR TWO, IF I HAD KNOWN WHAT AN EGOTISTICAL FUCKTARD ASSHOLE YOU WERE, I WOULD NEVER HAD REPLIED TO YOU! I DOUBT YOU "KNOW THESE PEOPLE, I DOUBT YOU "TALK" TO THESE PEOPLE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT YOU ARE A LYING REPROBATE WHO HAS NO LIFE, SO YOU LIE ON THE INTERNET TO FOOL CHILDREN INTO BELIEVEING YOU ARE SOMEBODY. YOU ARE A LOSER, TAM BUMP YOURSELF, AND A VERY GOOD BYE!
jehovahuponyou 2 days ago
@jehovahuponyou
OH LOOK AT ME I TYPE IN CAPS TOO.
Go fuck yourself, shithead.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878
:^)
jehovahuponyou 2 days ago
If you believe in God then you must believe that God has aborted millions and millions of unborn babies in the shape of miscarriages. So anyone bringing the God argument into this, don't.
SamCoreJ 4 days ago 6
In the face of what he says surely any objectively thinking person would realise what they are doing is wrong. Obviously those two women are subjectively thinking morons. If they are thinking at all that is.
SamCoreJ 4 days ago 9
@SamCoreJ They disagree with you. So OBVIOUSLY, they're morons.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
Stupid comment mate, and here is why:
Sometimes I think people are morons, and obviously that's always over a difference of opinion. However, sometimes I have a difference of opinion with people but don't always think they are morons. In conclusion, me disagreeing with someone is not the common denominator in thinking they are a moron. Cheers.
SamCoreJ 2 days ago
@SamCoreJ I'll grant that you know something about common denominators because you are the lowest one. Also, why did you write 'Cheers'. Just because you're drinking, you shouldn't automatically assume that other people are.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
No substance to anything you said though was there pal. Anyone can throw insults, but you got no substance.
SamCoreJ 2 days ago
@SamCoreJ Wow, you're a tough guy, aren't you? Kind of Lee Marvin of the YouTube comments section.
circushead 2 days ago
God gave us free will if they want to kill then we can't stop them besides they can ask for forgiveness
ST4leave 4 days ago
@ST4leave God gave us free will, but we are supposed to try to resist evil. Murder is evil. Abortion is murder. We are to use our free will to reject and condemn sin.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead COMRADE Resist Evil Do you LIve in AMerica Who has killed Millions and back so many Dictators all in the name of Freedom, and Spreading democracy, Resist Evil Then Boy cot Gas and Bring the System down, How do think we get our cloths cheap someone has to suffer. On the back of our money it says “in God We Trust” The god Stands for the God they like Gold Oil Drugs. America and Western countries are EVIL AND WE MOST RESIST,
ST4leave 3 days ago
@ST4leave Thanks for comment. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm due back on the planet Earth.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
There is nothing in the bible to condemn or ban abortion. In fact the bible itself holds that the life of a woman is more important than that of a fetus.
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 Oh yeah? I remember this bit about 'Thou shalt not kill'.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
'Thou shalt not kill' applied ONLY to fellow Israelites if you bother to read the context. Notice also how it also doesn't apply to homosexuals, disobedient children, women not virgins at marriage, etc...
Why don't you look up Exodus 22? It states that causing death to a pregnant woman is punished by death but causing her to miscarry without harming her is only punishable by a monetary fine. The Bible is very clear that an unborn child is not considered a living person.
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 Okay, I think what's happened here is that you abandoned that book, The Bible, a little early. What you've got to do is keep on reading, right into something called The New Testament. Keep going, buddy, you're gonna love it!
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
So I take it you reject everything before the New Testament - that homosexuality is a sin, the ten commandments, Noah's Ark, god creating the world in six days, Moses's story, etc?
So where does the New Testament ban or condemn abortion? :)
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 Not at all. But Jesus Christ doesn't appear until the New Testament, and what he has to say is important. Hence, 'Christianity'.
Jesus famously taught that "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do unto me." There is no better definition of the least of His brethren than the unborn children. Helpless, and in our world, largely despised and ignored should they be developing in "inconvenient" circumstances, as Steve Jobs did.
So, the lesson here? Don't abort them.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
"Helpless, and in our world, largely despised and ignored"
What a load of crap. You honestly want to argue that fetuses are "despised and ignored" in the world?
Jesus also said "Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword." And: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
What are you dragging Steve Jobs into this for?
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 Yes, if you read the rest of that sentence, "should they be inconvenient". The "inconvenient" ones certainly are despised, to the point of being killed. Is there a bigger measure of being despised than that? They are ignored in that their humanity is denied.
Yes, Jesus did say that, and I suppose this argument is in part the fulfillment of his prophesy.
I drag Steve Jobs into it because Steve Jobs was an inconvenient baby, but was not dragged from the womb and killed.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead Charles Mansons Mother wanted anabortion, but didn't have the $ for an abortion. I'm sure the victims of Mansons followers and their families would've rather Manson was 'dragged from the womb and killed'
dianalee84 3 days ago
@dianalee84 Really? And by what means would the future crimes of the in utero Charles Manson be divined? Are you in possession of a time machine. Because even if you were, his abortion would still be wrong. Killing someone because you think they may commit crimes later? Wow. I guess when you read Orwell's '1984' you thought, "Man, now THAT'S a government!"
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
Drama, drama. The is no "despising" fetuses the way you want to imagine it. You're not fooling anyone.
LOL, this is his "prophecy"? What a joke.
So was Saddam Hussein, Jeffrey Dahmer, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc.
And drop the dramatics. There is no "dragged from the womb and killed" in abortion.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 I'm not imagining over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. If that's not a symptom of our contempt for the inconvenient unborn, I don't know what is. You advocate the mass murder of abortion, and then you try to refute the claim that the unborn are despised.
The truth is not to be found in you, is it?
"There is no "dragged from the womb and killed" in abortion."
Really? How's it done, then?
So abortion would prevent Jeff Dahmer.
Hmmm...shouldd we abort all unborn?
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
Abortions existed LONG before Row v Wade, kid. Records of abortion go back over 4000 years all over the world.
I guess the number of conceptions prevented by condom use or pulling out must give you panic attacks. The number must be in the sheer trillions just in the last few years. OH THE HUMANITY! Sperm are so despised!
The uterine lining and fetal cell clump are simply detached from the uterine wall via suction.
Your claim about Steve Jobs was stupid. Realize it.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 Yes, they did. But over 50 million have been committed in America alone since Roe v. Wade. This is beyond mass murder.
To compare an unborn child to a sperm only illustrates just how biologically illiterate you are.
Yes, the unborn child is certainly dragged from the womb during an abortion. We agree!
Steve Jobs was the result an inconvenient, 'unwanted' pregnancy. Those circumstances, I am breathlessly told, necessitate abortion.
But he wasn't aborted.
Sent from my iPhone.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
Its not murder at all, you drama queen. Simple as that.
On the contrary, to claim a fertilized egg is a child shows how ignorant and out of touch with reality you are.
Well you have to take out the pre fetal cell clump. That's the whole point, moron.
Your ignorance is painfully obvious. Being pro CHOICE means you support a woman's right to parent, have an abortion or an adoption. It is up to the woman to decide the outcome of a pregnancy. No option should be forced.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 Yes, a fetal clump becomes a newborn who becomes a toddler who becomes a chld who becomes a teenager who becomes an adult who becomes, in your case, a piece of shit who calls unborn children "fetal clumps" in an effort to deny their humanity and justify their eradication.
It's an old trick, using semantics to justify murder. It puts you in most ill-chosen company. There's no such thing as a small murder.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
I say fetal clumps because that is what they are at early stages in utero. Once again, drama queen, no one is "justifying eradication" of fetuses.
Its not murder, sweetie. Rant and rave all you want, but it won't make your wishful thinking come true.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 Fascist.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
Idiot
loner1878 1 day ago
@loner1878 I agree. You're an idiot. Also heartless. Why don't you pick on someone your own size and leave the unborn children alone.
circushead 1 day ago
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loner1878 1 day ago
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@circushead
You know perfectly well I was referring to your dramatic dumb ass. If you think the childish, half assed, laughable insults you keep throwing at me do any good, you're an even worse case than I thought. After all, ad hominems are the desperate last resort of shit debaters who have nothing of substance to say. Glad to see you've had to resort to them in such a short time. Do I really intimidate you so much?
loner1878 1 day ago
@circushead
I don't care to hear about your creepy obsession with Steve Jobs m'kay?
I guess you would be out of some fancy toys if he had been aborted, but its not like you would actively know the difference. Maybe someone else would have invented other technology?
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 You don't care to hear anything which refutes your embrace of the culture of death.
You know what you have no right to do? You have no right to enjoy your life and speculate on 'what if' situations had Steve Jobs been aborted, while you glibly deny the right to that very same life of unborn children whose only crime is being vulnerable, and who are in precisely the same state you and I once were. You're a monument to dishonesty and cruelty. You're a fascist.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
"You don't care to hear anything which refutes your embrace of the culture of death."
LOL, such dramatics. All the while you refuse to hear anything that doesn't fit in your narrow mind.
"You have no right to enjoy your life and speculate on 'what if' situations"
But you somehow have the right to so the same and claim a "what if" scenario if he had been aborted? Watch the hypocrisy, kid.
Check what "facist" means, kid. Because you fit the definition better than I do.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 How do I fit the definition of fascist better than you do? I'm the one who does NOT advocate grounding millions of lives to bloody pulp under my jackboots.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
You want women forced to submit to your idea or what's right with no consideration for their wishes, no concern for the harm that comes when abortion is made illegal. No, you would just have thousands of women killed and maimed by illegal abortions. But of course its well known you don't give a shit about actual living women.
loner1878 1 day ago
@loner1878 No, I don't want any of those things. I only want to defend the right of the unborn to life. And half of those unborn will grow into women.
So who really hates women? Who really wants them dead?
circushead 1 day ago
@circushead
Nothing like a naive little dumbass turning a blind eye to reality. I almost feel sorry for you.
loner1878 1 day ago
@circushead
"You're a monument to dishonesty and cruelty."
You are a flagrant drama queen and an ignorant little shit. Funny try at an insult, though. Keep em coming, I could use the laughs.
loner1878 2 days ago
@circushead
You can interpret "the least of my brethren" as whatever you want, but your opinion does not make gospel.
You want to know who is really overwhelmingly helpless, largely despised and ignored in the world? Women. And you are part of that by wanting to rip away bodily autonomy, a basic right, away from women.
loner1878 3 days ago
@loner1878 Interpreting "the least of my brethren" as unborn children ain't much of stretch, bud.
I don't wish to rip autonomy away from any women. In fact, if I hated women, I would support abortion. One out of every two children murdered by abortion are female, and the technology of sex selection is increasing that ratio among certain cultures.
If you want to support women, oppose abortion. Stand up for all kinds of life.
circushead 3 days ago
@circushead
Like I said, you're free to use your little imagination. But it doesn't carry much weight based on your opinion alone.
LOL, what a load of crap. Most abortions take place before gender can be distinguished, so I know you're pulling that little claim out of your ass. Sex selective abortion is a symptom of patriarchy, not legal abortion. In many places female infants are drowned. You blaming abortion is like blaming water.
Don't try your bullshit reasoning on me.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 Life begins at conception. Abortion is murder. That's just consistent biological fact.
"Selective abortion is a symptom of patriarchy, not legal abortion."
HA HA HA. Hey look, that unborn girl got patriarched. Now she's dead.
You're an idiot and a liar.
And you hate women.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
"That's just consistent biological fact."
LOL, no its not. That's an opinion. Biology does not dictate when life begins. That's a philosophical issue, not a scientific one.
Keep your head up your ass, sweetie, it obviously keeps you happy.
You're an idiot with the insult ability of a fifth grader. Maybe when you grow up we can have an adult conversation, m'kay?
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 Actually, you are wrong. Life is a biological fact. The unborn child is a living person. You call it an issue of philosophy because you are morally and politically compromised. And you're cruel.
I liked the way you said I have the insult ability of a fifth grader. I suppose that prevents me from telling you have your head up your ass.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
You're spewing bullshit again and further showing how ignorant of biology you are. All you have are baseless (and funny) insults rather than anything of substance to say. You're full of it.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 I wish you were funny, at least. You're not.
In what way has anything I've written displayed my ignorance of biology. Please share.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
How about the bogus claim you keep making that biology is what states that "life begins at conception" or it "proves" that abortion is murder when all that is subjective opinion.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 It's not subjective. If you can define the exact point at which human life begins using scientific evidence, please do so.
If you can't, I will assume that life begins at the moment of conception since that is the only definition that makes sense.
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
It is very subjective. You can't define it any better than I can, because biology simply does not have "scientific evidence" establishing when life begins. It is subjective opinions based on subjective morality. Don't bullshit me, you have no "scientific evidence" for your position.
It makes sense to you. Not everyone agrees.
loner1878 1 day ago
@loner1878 I know that conception results in human beings, and I conclude, therefore, that the human being's life begins at the moment of conception.
You are unable to provide a scientifically verifiable alternative to my assertion. You say it is a matter of subjectivity. It is not. That is a convenient lie.
I would suggest that you embrace science and concede that human life begins at the moment of conception.
Once you do that, you must also concede that abortion is murder.
circushead 1 day ago
@circushead
Yet you refuse to want to acknowledge the more than 50% of conceptions that never implant, miscarry and appear as regular periods. Accorsing to you, these are human beings and you are content with them being flushed down toilets or tossed out in wastebaskets. So funny you are so blind to your own contradictions.
What a joke. I'll remind you you haven't provided a "scientifically verifiable" claim to back up your own assertion. You only based it off your SUBJECTIVE opinion.
loner1878 1 day ago
@loner1878 Why do you attempt to compare conceptions that fail to implant, naturally, to abortions, which are deliberate, invasive pregnancy terminations?
circushead 1 day ago
@circushead
I thought conception was the start of life in your book, not implantation. Therefore, the manner of death should not matter to you.
The way you're arguing is like saying an infant were to die of natural causes, say SIDS, would be ignored simply because it was "natural."
loner1878 1 day ago
@circushead
The only one spouting convinient lies is you, flagrantly showing off your ignorance about biology. But I'm used to your type.
As far as biology is concerned, life began billions of years ago and is a continuous process.
I suggest you step foot into a science classroom or open a textbook for the first time in your life and learn how full of shit you are.
I'd tell you abortion isn't murder, but that would require you getting your head out of your ass first.
loner1878 1 day ago
@loner1878 I don't think you're smart enough to participate in this debate. It's nothing personal.
circushead 1 day ago
@circushead
I've been thinking the same about you for a few pages now. I already told you we could have an adult conversation when you grew up. Its nothing personal.
loner1878 1 day ago
@circushead
If you want to pretend women are stupid creatures who need to have their lives dictated to them, oppose abortion.
I used to be "pro life." Then I lived in a country where abortion was illegal, pal. That showed me how wrong I was.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 You used to be pro-life. Now you're not. Now you're...what? Anti-life. Pro-death. How good does that feel?
circushead 2 days ago
@circushead
I'm pro CHOICE. And I feel great. Better than being a deluded forced birther with a naive view of the world.
loner1878 2 days ago
@loner1878 You're not pro-choice. You're pro-euphemism. You don't even have the guts to write down what you are, which is pro-abortion.
circushead 2 days ago
Values voters have an insatiable desire to impose their value, morals, and ideology on others. They are undemocratic, immoral, and vile. These reprehensible people should be, and need to be called out for their self-righteous hatefulness masquerading as morality.
I'm glad this gentleman put these women in their place, although they are so thick, they didn't realize it.
somersetdc 5 days ago
This guy deserves a medal.
KatieBee05032 5 days ago
HAIL SATAN AND PRAISE CTHULHU KILL ALL THE FETUSES AND EAT THEM FOR BREAKFAST
MorgueBuddy 5 days ago
*anti*
DarkBeauty1989 6 days ago
judge not lest ye be judged
Lincifer 6 days ago
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Lincifer 6 days ago
I don't think he is awesome. He is ignorant. What makes him think he and his wife had the right to murder the baby just because he/she had birth defects?
numberourdays 1 week ago
@numberourdays
Are you kidding me? I hope you're trolling bro, that's just bad lol.
So it should be YOUR saying that counts instead of the actual father and mother? Fetus had a birth defect, illness, disorder, etc it should be the PARENTS who decide whether to abort the fetus or give birth to it, it's THEIR choice not some fat self-righteous soccer mom's choice while holding up a picture of Jesus like a hypocrite.
Go back to church, the real world is not yours to control.
AenimaJoe 1 week ago
@AenimaJoe I am the father of a handicapped child, and noone, me included, ever had the right to take that away. Also have a friend whose child had heart condition which was operated on in the womb. Beautiful kid, as is mine. As far as controlling the real world, if we don't stand up for the rights of the defenseless, we will surely loose our own rights.
numberourdays 1 week ago
Week 10: The genitals begin to develop at this stage, determining the sex of the fetus. Brain development is also very rapid, as the brain is forming 250,000 neurons per minute.
Week 11: The spinal cord is clearly defined and the spinal nerves start to stretch out from the spinal cord.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
Week 8: By this week the head is quite large, as compared to the rest of the body. The development of the hind brain, responsible for regulating heartbeat, breathing and all concerned muscle movements also begins now.
Week 9: The nervous system by now is quite developed for proper functioning
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
Week 6: This week sees the formation of the brain hemispheres, and also some wave activity. The neural tube that connects the brain and spinal cord also closes in this duration.
Week 7: By this week the brain is growing at a rapid rate and its formation is nearing completion.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
Week 5: As the brain continues to develop, other organs like the circulatory system, begin to function with all four chambers of the heart present. The facial features begin to develop, with a clear distinguished vision (through ultrasound) of arms and legs, complete with fingers.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
Week 3: Although it is still an embryo in its definition and formation, the backbone, cardio-vascular system (a beating heart) and the brain begins to form.
Week 4: In this phase, the embryo further develops the three brain sections; fore brain, middle brain and hind brain, along with the optical stalk.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 But what if she doesn't want to go through the pregnancy? Some women have health issues that would make pregnancy dangerous. Others have job issues - they couldn't afford hospital leave, or they'd lose their job. I'm a model, I'd be out of work for a year! Also, you seem to assume only single women get abortions. There are plenty of married or committed couples who don't want children, as is my case. Being chaste until the woman hits menopause is just silly, and not realistic.
SpinerFan 1 week ago
@SpinerFan If she does not want to go through the pregnacy when she made the choice to get pregnant by having sex ,she is being selfish. If she CANT (not want )go through the pregnacy because of the danger of losing her life then I agree abortion is ok since someone is dying either way. The mother is just as important as the unborn baby. I worked when I was pregnant . Sucks that you picked a vain job . Get another job . Make the baby daddy pay child support also. Dont want kids get fixed .
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@SpinerFan "There are plenty of married or committed couples who don't want children, as is my case"
I am married and I dont really want more kids(i do and I dont) but if I get pregnant I will want to keep my baby &take care of it. Then I will get fixed where I cant get pregnant. You being married should make sure your husband can support you and a child if you are going to have sex with him . Get fixed if you dont want kids. Use birth control and condoms at the same time. adOPTION not abortion
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Can I ask you a question? Why do you care if some one else, whom you'll never meet, have an abortion?
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 because I am a caring person that does not like to see senseless pain and suffering when it can be avoided.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 So you watch all the abortions that happen? And Abortion can't be avoided, that is one of the main reason why it was legalized.
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 Yes abortion can be avoided unless medical reasons ofcourse. There is adOPTION and keeping the child. No excuse. No it was legalized because selfish women kept trying to give their self home abortions.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 no it can be avoided. Do you honestly believe that if government had the power to make it illegal, abortions would honestly just stop overnight? I'm all about people's choices, and you're right adoption is one. But another way to look at that is abortion is away to avoid homeless children. And those self homes ones are the reason it can be avoided.
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 Can't**
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 thats right it can be avoided lol. You just admitted adoption is a choice . Now you know why prolife people are also prochoice . Are you trying to say homeless people dont deserve to live? omg i guess we should just kill them to . The fetus was already created this is why abortion should not be a option. the unborn baby is alive,has a heartbeat,brain.and even a nervous system. Cant tell me it does not feel pain when it has a nervous system.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Im not saying we need to kill homeless people, lets just not force an unwanted baby into a world where they might not be guaranteed a home, outside of government. And A fetus has to develop those things overtime, A fetus is actually considered a parasite in a scientific sense, because it is completely dependent on the host(mother) so, by definition, it's not a person. And yes I made a grammar boo boo. :)
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 If you are saying a unborn baby does not deserve to live just because they might not be adopted then you are saying orphans dont have the right to live also.
A fetus has a heart beat,brain,and nervous system when it is aborted in the first trimester.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 but until the fetus is born, it's still a parasite. And we can't start giving parasites rights over women. Also, in a philosphical sense, no one has the "right to live," otherwise we could not enforce capital punishment on murderers. but in terms of "already alive" people vs fetuses, there is a fine line. and that is that a orphan has a conscience of what is going on. especially knowing that they have no family. but they have a right to live. fetuses do not. sorry
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 a fetus is already alive. Oh no killing the orphans will put them out of their suffering ..thats your logic.I guess killing infants that might have a horrible life is ok too. A fetus is aware.the proof of that is slient scream the abortion of a 12 week fetus. They feel pain so it is wrong to kill them.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 and yet, i never said it wasnt alive. it just is not conscience or able to live without its mother. that is why fetuses are classified as parasites. And they can feel pain? really? fetuses are able to "scream" without the ability to breathe out of the noise and mouth yet? I dont believe that. not such thing as a silent scream either, a scream is a loud yell, a scream is never silent. thats a paradox.
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 Yes a fetus has a nervous system so it feels pain. You proabortion people make the most lame excuses to kill a unborn baby just so you can keep having sex and not take responsibility for your actions. So what the unborn baby cant live without its mother? A infant cant live without someone taking care of it either I guess we should kill it then. You want to kill unborn babies,infants,and orphans wow
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Well i think everyone on this comment page as already proven that you, darkbeauty, have no argument on this. A baby as a nervous system so it feels pain? yet again, what medical facts are backing that theory? An Alzhiemer patient has a brain, but it cannot remember. see how easy your logic falls apart. And I do not want to kill babies, i have never killed a baby, just because I am Pro-choice, doesnt mean i am out slaughtering babies. and what is with the oprhans?
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 a fetus has a nervous system around week 9. Are you saying we should kill everyone with alzhiemers? My grandmother had that before she died. You have no morals . By your logic it is ok to kill infants and orphans. By your logic it is ok to kill a child that was not wanted by the mother.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Saw a great fight on an anti abort forum, about giving fetuses painkillers before abortion, half said 'Yes, we want to reduce any pain they might possibly have..The other corner were the NOS 'NO Way should we give fetuses painkillers! That might make the women feel less bad about her abortion, We Cant Do That! Proof for me, that trying to shame women is more important to many antis than the 'babies' are.
dianalee84 1 week ago
@dianalee84 yeah that like saying we should give kids pain killers when we kill them if we dont want them. If it was about anything other then trying to save a life I would be a proabortion selfish person. It is all about saving the life to me. The mothers that MURDER their own child should be ashamed just like Casey Anthony
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Still need a medical report stating that. And why is it your arguments are nothing more than taking what i say, and then add in "i want to kill them?" I have no morals? no, i do, I just looks at things on a bigger scale. crying over a baby that isnt yours in the first place isnt going to make it way on my "things to do" list. and my logic is no kill everything in sight, it was trying to understand the garbage your spewing.
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 Those facts came off a random website on the development of a unborn baby. Yes that is your logic to kill anything that isnt wanted. Your morals are garbage. Your morals throw dead babies into the garbage. So what I creid when Casey Anthony killed her kid. IDC if she is mine or not. Sorry I am a caring person with compassion not a heatless pro kill any unwanted baby /person like you.
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Random websites? yea, this argument is done. You morals are in the wrong spot. all of the bad things that happen in life, andyou're worried about abortion. yea, this is why nothing in america gets done anymore. At the end of the day, you need to realize that Roe v. Wade does exist and trying to call everyone a "baby killer" is a horrible arguement. The human population is growing, not decreasing. put your energy into something that might help the population.
john12892 1 week ago
@john12892 Anyone that supports abortion in the case of birth control is a babykiller
DarkBeauty1989 6 days ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Anyone who wants to give the rights of a womans body to a child over the woman herself is not-american in any shape or form. and people who support abortion are not the ones killing the fetus themselves. so calling them babykillers makes no sense.
john12892 6 days ago
@john12892 If you support rape are you not just as bad as a rapist? Giving a woman the right to KILL another being is taking that unborn babies right to live away . I am 100% american. Freedom to live.
DarkBeauty1989 6 days ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Perhaps we should label smokers as murderers while we're at it and throw them all in jail for causing second hand smoke. So you think it is perfectly okay for a teenage girl to be raped in high school and force her spend the next 9 months dealing PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY with the fact that she is carrying her rapists child? I also find it ironic when you say freedom to live because it sounds more or less like you are trying to impose your beliefs on others.
Gears6859 6 days ago
@Gears6859 smoking should be illegal. Most prolife people agree abortion is acceptable in cases of rape and health isssues. Abortions in cases of rape hardly happen. Oh sorry I want every innocent unborn baby to have the freedom to live. I guess telling Casey Anthony that killing her kid was wrong would be forcing my beliefs onto her?
DarkBeauty1989 6 days ago
@DarkBeauty1989 You believe everything should be illegal: smoking, drugs, and sex for teens. If we were still primates, we'd all be having so much sex without a second thought. It's biology baby and it's the sole purpose of living. Casey Anthony murdering her child was a horrible crime but can you murder something that has not been born? What is life? How you define life is everything here and fortunately, we all define life differently....
Gears6859 6 days ago
@DarkBeauty1989 I understand that you want to protect life, many of us do too, but we've become to accustomed of trying to save everyone and protect everything. We keep people on life support for years when we should have euthanized them. Murder is one thing but terminating life to ease their passing, or to prevent death during pregnancy should be okay. I agree with you though - abortions as a means of birth control should be frowned upon. Unplanned pregnancy happens though.
Gears6859 6 days ago
@Gears6859 we will just have to agree to disagree
DarkBeauty1989 5 days ago
@DarkBeauty1989 no you're not, you can support anything you want to, thats the beauty of america. But you're only a rapist if you commit rape, which throws out your arguement that supporters of abortion commit abortions. and a baby is a being, but not a human being yet, which excludes it from having any sort of rights to a womans body before the woman. america is about freedom to be free, and that also includes anti-choicer's idea that they know whats best for how you should live
john12892 6 days ago
@john12892 Just thought I'd say that I couldn't have said that better myself. :)
Kagome811 6 days ago
@john12892 If someone supports rape to me they are a rapist. They help carry on the rape of women by supporting it. No a unborn baby is a human it has human DNA. Just because you murder it before it has the chance to fully develope does not mean it should not have rights. I am vegetarian so the human or not human debate wont help you.
DarkBeauty1989 6 days ago
@DarkBeauty1989 a human being is defined in three things it must have. A mind, body, and spirt( not in a faithful way) and someone who supports something is not the same as the ones who commit it, that would make no sense in a lot of cases. besides you used a bad example, who honestly supports rape that they themselves dont actually do it? and people who get birth control abortions have more underlining detail then the typical "slut" who couldnt keep her pants on.
john12892 6 days ago
@john12892 I am not ant choice I am anti abortion in the cases of birth control.
DarkBeauty1989 6 days ago
this dreg is hardly a man.....had I been there, I'd have been forced to ricochet his face off a parking meter.....sincerely.....
gorillaonrye 1 week ago
This guy is a fake and a liar. Please just go kill your offspring already.
12dollarsand78cents 1 week ago
Anti-Choice? I'm not Anti-Choice. Close your legs, be in a committed relationship and get married, wear condoms. These are all choices!
HitleriteNazi 1 week ago
@HitleriteNazi agreed
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@@garand Condoms break, and the Pill can fail. How is that a woman choosing to get pregnant? A woman should never be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy, and it's not your or anyone else's business if she gets an abortion. Also, "mother of a dead baby"? Most abortions ate performed early enough that it doesn't qualify as a baby. It's a lump of tissue with no human functions, and I'm offended that you think so little of women thag you consider them to be humzn incubators.
SpinerFan 1 week ago
@SpinerFan "How is that a woman choosing to get pregnant?"
umm because every time a woman (that can have kids) has sex she is at risk of getting pregnant ..DUH
DarkBeauty1989 1 week ago
@SpinerFan considering that the vast majority of abortions are done due to lack of birth control, your statement is invalid. I'm offended at your ignorance and lack of ability to type.
garand 1 week ago
@daron316. So do I, but if people want to be stupid and kill their own unborn offspring, watchagonnado?
ThePhormio 2 weeks ago
i think all of this is circumstancial.... if there really is a legitemate reason for not having the baby, such as strong possibilities of birth defects, being raped, etc, then yea i believe its more morally right to abort it. however, if its just cuz of an accident, like birth control not working or a condom breaking, then you shouldnt be allowed to abort it, cuz you know the consquences, and you still choose to make certain decisions.
JDaveD 2 weeks ago
This is the best example I can think of for what it is to be a real man who loves his wife.
Those women are sadly misguided bigots, and good for him for telling them off.
thirteenemptyspaces 2 weeks ago 10
this video is bullsh-t his wife is one exception to the convenience of mill abortion
jesaintlouis 2 weeks ago
While I disagree with abortion, I feel people should still have the right to choose, as a couple, whether to perform that procedure or not. Government shouldn't step in the way.
TizziQ89 2 weeks ago
Fuck these Jesus freak whores, there is no god. Should've beat these ladies down. People think they can do shit without consequence. I'm one that brings the hammer down. Fuck these people
TheDeathCrawler 2 weeks ago
This is an awesome husband standing up for his wife and making these pro-life women look like idiots. More power to you!!!
nwallo1984 2 weeks ago
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daron316 2 weeks ago
This guy is the fucking man.
ShowMeYourMoves64 3 weeks ago
I'm against abortion, but I applaud this guy.
GarlicPudding 3 weeks ago
Recieved a few angry replys to my message but I don't commune with child killers, I can't expect to rationalize with people who support killing babies, don't even regard them as human to be honest. But there was one excuse of a man who likened abortion to masturbation, human life begins when an egg is ferterlised, unless of course your reading an 1800's science journal. but i understand that guilty people must justify their actions to themselves, sure hitler did too.
daron316 3 weeks ago
@daron316 Approximatly 1 in 4 US women will have an abortion during her childbearing years. So I've No Doubt you've communcated with plenty of 'babykillers' and probably know and like some of them. A teacher you liked in school,a co-worker,the cute waitress,a friend, ...Nancy Reagan is Prochoice. So are both the Bush ex first ladies. What about women who've had miscarriages? Guilty of man/fetus/slaughter? An IVF worker who drops a petrie dish full of zygote people? Guilty of mass murder?
dianalee84 2 weeks ago
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daron316 2 weeks ago
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daron316 2 weeks ago
@daron316 I do not support killing babies, but you sir are just as bad as these women.
DannieJo33 2 weeks ago
@DannieJo33 Don't you sir me. What on earth makes you think I care what you've got to say, twat.
daron316 2 weeks ago
@daron316 Because you responded to my comment shows me that you do care. You give a care one way or the other, or you wouldn't have said anything to me, or to anyone else here.
DannieJo33 2 weeks ago
@daron316 no offense but how come everyone refers to the abortions as "killing babies?" I know its just the catch word like estate tax=death tax because it has a profound effect on how people view abortion but a baby isnt a baby when its a fertilized egg
xdxdoom 2 weeks ago
@xdxdoom Is that so well get on your little youtube search engine and view A 'silent scream' and you'll clearly see a baby trying to avoid the needle. If you got the stomach for it. Then look up the life of Dr. Bernard N. Nathanson. See how you feel then. As soon as technology became available to view abortions and see the real horror of what happens
daron316 2 weeks ago
Here's a good way to look at this whole abortion argument from both sides.
Liberals: why get angry at conservatives for telling you NOT to kill YOUR unborn children? It's nothing to get angry about, because some of them actually care.
Conservatives: why should you care if liberals want to kill their own unborn children. As long as they aren't trying to force you to kill YOUR babies - like in China - it just might be a good thing.
ThePhormio 3 weeks ago
@ThePhormio Right on!
DannieJo33 2 weeks ago
@ThePhormio I'm human and I have compassion for the murder of any child
daron316 2 weeks ago
this poor old slave master is mad at the pro lifers. if slavery were legal he would be a slave owner. i bet he thinks that because blacks look different they should be enslaved again. coward.
felicetanka 3 weeks ago
@felicetanka Huhhh whaaa???????
MeatSmudge 3 weeks ago
@felicetanka that was dumb....
DannieJo33 2 weeks ago
Dude you rock
MrRobynLover 3 weeks ago
I'm talking about proof that someone did a killing. If three or more people are standing there and watched you kill a bunch of people and you got caught. Then you should die period. since you decided it's ok to take there right to life away then you just gave yours up when you killed them.No more spending millions of dollars to house killers. That money could be spent helping people.
4u2sabotage 3 weeks ago
I hate Christians.
Danderson07 3 weeks ago
@Danderson07 NOt all Christians are like that... not the REAL ones anyway..
DannieJo33 2 weeks ago