more like a ronin, not really a samurai.... who knows the real samurai behaviour knows what i mean.. a samurai is like a dog (in the good way of speaking)
ghost dog has really no boss (so to speak) only a moral debt to pay (for the mafioso saving his young butt) so he serves (saburau - verb from where samurai comes) him until he commits suicide by the owner of his life (the old mafioso with heart pills in his side pocket)
Forest Whitaker was nothing but the truth he studied the way of the samurai a bit preparing for this role so he did his homework and gave and excellent performance since he is a extrodinary actor already and a legend
You are right, I disagree. A samurai in such a circumstance is not real samurai per se, he is a soldier. What makes a samurai a samurai, is not when he values the life of his lord over his own, because contrary to popular belief, most lords back then were corrupt. The samurai attains enlightment when he becomes "ronin", or masterless samurai, because at this point he is liberated to search his inner soul through his bushido, and not just function as his master's retainer....
@StreetLethalRacing Actually all ronin are disgraced samurai, since you are supposed to commit seppuku if you allow your lord to die, as the 47 ronin famously did.
@razorlikeblue All ronin are most certainly not disgraced samurai. Such masterless samurai sought refuge, and through their collaboration the art of Ninpo was born. Ninjutsu was the result of masterless samurai within the Iga and Koga provinces of Japan. Again, you need to examine it from purely a political perspective. Ronin were samurai that were cast out of their offical ranks, whether framed, or through speculation. Trust me, this is a field that I have been studying for a very long time
@StreetLethalRacing whether or not someone is a samurai has nothing to do with a "political perspective". From a political perspective ANY soldier was a samurai, the samurai was the soldier class in society. What you are arguing is ideological, honor or bushido. From that stand point loyalty, unquestioning loyalty, was considered honorable. Regardless of whether or not a lord was corrupt.
@StreetLethalRacing From wikipedia (not 100% reliable, but is in line with what I learned): "According to the Bushido Shoshinshu (the Code of the Samurai), a samurai was supposed to commit oibara seppuku (also "hara kiri" – ritual suicide) upon the loss of his master. One who chose not to honor the code was "on his own" and was meant to suffer great shame. The undesirability of rōnin status was mainly a discrimination imposed by other samurai and by the daimyo (the feudal lords)"
@Thundergod25 Although I don't agree with him, either, I would have to point out that Blade didn't wield a katana. It looked more like a traditional Japanese longsword-type with a low profile crossguard.
Also, this movie was fucking awesome. Forest Whitaker is much better samurai than Tom Cruise...World better :P
The Samurai or Bushi, were followers of Bushido. They studied Confucianism, and Buddhism, and although they had other "activities", their main objective was to loyally serve their masters, Daimyo.
@CEEJAYDAISRAELITE many Japanese would not agree with this. however i think, too, that the true nature of a samurai is not in his colour of skin or ethinical background: it is his inner strength, discipline, humbleness, loyalty to the people he loves. it´s his belief in a purpose in life, his dedication to a certain philosophy, moral code & way of living. and in the end it´s his disregard for his own life, as long as he accomplishes his task & stays true to himself.
@THEKAKI2012 "an idiot"? the samurai social system worked for many centuries, and it worked very well. the late phase of the samurai, the Edo period, brought 250 years of peace to Japan. this enabled the development of incredibly sophisticated arts, theatre, music, philosophy, morals, discipline, martial arts, etc.
it´s so easy to judge a society & its members from outside & point with the finger. it´s much more difficult to really deal with it & try to understand it.
@harpiyon Absolutely. It's too bad most of the real samurai didn't really care much for these values though, just like the real knights cared for chivalry only in name and form.
@Ismailikov i think many samurai did care for those values. otherwise the samurai society would have broken down from the inside. but it worked very well, and it would have lasted for longer if it wasn´t for the emperor who wanted a modern Japan.
in the late phase, around the mid-19th century, the samurai were old-fashioned & opposing modern times. this does not mean they did not have values, on the contrary: many of them did it excatly because they had values.
@harpiyon only during the Edo period with it's romanticizations of the 'honourable samurai past'. It's this mentality with made the Samurai so politically entrenched and hostile to reform. It's also what made the last of them much more religious in their obedience to the Bushido. The early Samurai were usually irrational, cruel and brutal, usually observing few of the values the chivalric code promoted. Aside from during Sengoku, they did fight bravely though, always accepting duels etc.
@harpiyon by this last part, they still fought bravely but did not observe typical samurai codes of warfare (like single combat during a fight, dying rather than fleeing, and obedience to masters).
@Ismailikov i agree, in some early phases of Japanese history, the samurai were just warriors without many principles. but over the centuries, they evolved into a social caste that did not only live for war, but was also included in civil life: they were in control of the whole country, and they were respected by all other castes, including the emperor. they had a philosophy of their own, principles, a moral code.
it is remarkable how far a caste of simple warriors could come in history.
@Ismailikov glad you agree on this. the Japanese culture is one of the richest, most sophisticated, most interesting cultures in the world. of course there are other rich & sophisticated culturs, too, but the Japanese one could perserve its original form very well. it could do this because of many factors, but the samurai were definitely one of the main factors. they made it possible.
and you know, the samurai might not be a social class any more, but their spirit still exists in modern Japan.
@harpiyon indeed, the Japanese I know are hard-working, mature but they still like a laugh from time to time. The only difficulty is getting to know them in the first place ;). Where I come from (Jamaica) has a short history that started with injustice and violence, so, like Americans, its harder to trace one's history than with isolated and continuous peoples like the Japanese.
@Ismailikov so you´re from Jamaica? well maybe the known history of Jamaica is short, but history is history: 1000 years, have the same span everywhere, Jamaica or Japan. i don´t know how much of the original culture is still there in Jamaica, but if you´re interested, i´m sure there is the possibility to learn about it. i´m sure you´ll find many nice, beautiful & interesting things. or maybe you did already.
anyway, some cultures might be difficult to trace, but it´s not impossible.
@harpiyon I know that, but what I mean is that my nation was truly born with the Age of Discovery and the Triangular Trade. I'm not angry at it for not being long enough :) I just mean it separates it from countries like Japan which have a very long continuous history. Us Jamaicans, like Americans, are quite 'young' on the global stage. Yeah I know that there were people inhabiting the island before the nation existed, but that can't really be considered Jamaica
@harpiyon well no they weren't because there were samurai that were farmers samurai in the working class. There were also samurai that were born into poverty and became assassins.
@Konvictedjeezy some warriors were originally peasants but they were not called Samurai, they were "Bushi" ("warriors"). the Samurai as a social caste came up gradually. during the Kamamakura Shogunate (fouded by Minamoto no Yoritomo in the late 12th century) they became a social caste & a political power with their own rules & the philosophy of "Bushidô" ("the Way of the Warrior").
Samurai was a social caste with many ranks. some were rich, others poor, but all were Samurai.
@Konvictedjeezy Samurai were the main armies & the key factor in many battles throughout the centuries, esp. during the Sengoku period ("warring-states period", mid-15 century - beginning of 17th century). during the Tokugawa Shogunate (or Edo Period, 1603 - 1868) Japan had a long era of peace. the Samurai were mainly working as courtiers, castle guards, bureaucrats, administrators, but they had still the status of warriors. Samurai without a master, the "Ronin", were usually asssassins.
@harpiyon I agree. The Way of the Samurai, Bushido... is the way of the warrior. The way a warrior SHOULD conduct himself. Doesn't matter what color you are or what country you come from you. War is the same, whether you are Japanese or not. You still have an employer, you still have a reputation to maintain, loyalty, etc. Life is the same. Form is emptiness.
@elic1t wrong..you obviously havnt heard of myamoto musashi and hagakure.though samuraimeans "to server" it doesnt mean that a samurai has to have a master.as the samurai culture progressed from well disciplined soldier to warrior of the hidden leaves..he let go the servitude and death dealing..thus became a fighter for those who love him and those he love.or so he chose.such is samurai..
wtf? a ghetto samurai? Hell no! A real nigger always uses a 9mm... This movie is a fail...
btw: i'm not from the US or UK so i don't know if writing nigger is going to be racist, but i have no intention of being considered a racist so sorry if i made anyone feel bad..
Cool scene. Roger Ebert said it best Ghost Dog is crazy. He sleeps in a shack by his birds. He's profoundly mentally disturbed and yet you like this guy. Jim Jarmusch is a genius and so is Forest Whitaker's performance of this complex and crazy man. I'd love to see a squel where he comes back as an actual ghost.
@Fightosaurus That may be true. However when a guy sleeps on a roof while letting pigeons urinate all over him, you can pretty much bet he's bat-crap crazy.
@Rayvyn007 First of all, pigeons don't piss - it's why bird crap has that watery consistency. Second, the Ghost Dog depicted in the movie kept the pigeons in their own enclosure and appeared to be rather fastidious about his personal appearance. While it's technically true that we never see his restroom accommodations or daily hygine routine, I'd argue that this has more to do with the director not being a complete idiot and less to do with any implied absence of either from the character's life
@samuricex It's not upside-down. It's just another way to wear the sword popular before 1600. A sword held that way is referred to as a "tachi." If the sharp edge of the sword faces upwards, then the sword is called "katana" which, by the way, is popular among Edo-era samurai.
@linekill That would be true if the tachi hadn't been disbanded. It was also a much longer sword that evolved into the katana. Even if you had a time machine you wouldn't be able to find a single samurai wearing a katana blade in the tachi fashion.
Not sure what Harpiyon is talking about since I've never read anything like that before. I know some fighting styles required the blade to be faced down, but as far as I know they wouldn't keep it like that when they weren't fighting.
@samuricex "Some historians state that a sword is called a tachi when hung from the obi with the edge down, and the same sword becomes a katana when worn edge up and thrust through the girdle."
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"Unlike the traditional manner of wearing the katana, the tachi was worn hung from the belt with the cutting-edge down, and was usually used by cavalry."
@harpiyon The problem there is that two of those quotes are talking about the actual tachi BLADE, and one is talking about the tachi FASHION. Just take a look at GD's blade, it is quite clearly a katana blade and he also "thrusts it through the girdle" rather than "hanging it from the belt."
@samuricex well anyway i think it´s not "wrong" how he is carrying it. Do you know what martial arts he is doing?
I´m doing Eishin Ryu Iaido, Shodai Ryu (a form of Tameshigiri) and Onoha Itto Ryu. In all three, we carry the swords with the blade upwards (as usual). Still I don´t claim that I know ALL Japanese martial arts, so there might be one or more where the blade is carried as seen in the movie.
BTW I also can´t really say if GD has a tachi or a katana, cause they are really similar.
"The tachi was the predecessor to the katana as the battle-blade of feudal Japan's bushi (warrior class), and as it evolved into the later design, the two were often differentiated from each other only by how they were worn and by the fittings for the blades."
from wikipedia; you can look it all up if you insert "tachi" there
@Heteroskedastic Look at this though, a Japanese movie with samurais. Try to find a single guy with the blade down. They didn't do that because it would dull the blade when they walked around as the blade would scratch against the inside of the sheath.
@samuricex usually the samurai had 2 pairs of sword (daisho): 1 for war times: tachi (long sword) and tanto (dagger), and one for peace times / private life: katana (long sword) and wakizashi (short sword). the tachi resembled the katana, but its sheath (saya) had ropes to attach it to the samurai´s armor: usually it hung blade down. in private life, they put the katana & wakizashi in the belt of their hakama: both usually blade up
"ghost dog" having the sword like this means: he is at war
@DirtyRat88 well i´m interested in Japanese culture so i read a lot abot it,. besides i´ve been doing martial arts since childhood and spent one year in Japan, training almost every day. in a good dojo you don´t just learn fighting, you also learn philosophy, history, culture & the like.
@harpiyon In popular mythology Samurai are quick to commit Seppuku to preserve their honor. Seppuku (切腹) is a Japanese term for ritual suicide by cutting into the stomach with a short sword called a wakizashi or knife called a tantÅ
your ''short sword'' is like an ad on, bonus, acseesory ... not a peace sword they usualy hawe bouth :D
@thedevillangell seppuku was not only in popular mythology, but a real way of committing suicide: it was regarded as a honorable way an ppl did it to re.establish their honor & be redeemed from a bad deed.
and the wakizashi was more than mere accesory: when a samurai visited another one, he had to leave the katana outside at the gate; but he kept the wakisashi, so in case someone tried to attack him inside, he could defend himself. there were even dojos teaching "wakizashi-ryu" fight techniques.
@harpiyon Tachi or Katana are forms ouf mounting a blade, and considering the cost of a blade it just depended on the current fashion if a blade was remounted. To have several "spare" blades idling in a chest one would have to be stupendiously wealthy. The "Ropes" as you call them are NOT for mounting the blade to the armor - its just a sturdy piece of cord to pull back the sleeves of the Gi or to tie up prisoners. Carrying the blade up or downwards depends on the mounting.
@SnowmanIkkaan right, a good blade was always expensve (it still is) and many samurai had just one pair of blades.
however, the original (or ideal) idea during the Sengoku, Azuchi-Momoyama & Edo period was that each samurai should have 2 pairs of swords, 1 for war & 1 for civil life. often the tachi & katana looked similar, but they could be distinguished by the signature of the swordsmith: while it its scabbard (saya), it was usually on the outer side of the blade (showing away from the user).
@SnowmanIkkaan however, many samurai esp. in the late Edo period could not afford to have 2 pairs of blades; and there was no need for the tachi, as it was peace time. still, some had an extra saya to be able to wear their katana tachi-style, e.g. during official events / ceremonies. the tachi was mainly used by cavalry but also by some foot soldiers. and it DID hang from ropes blade-down. the ropes were usually the standard sageo (for the katana) but wrung around the saya so it hung blade down.
Samurai does not exist anymore, but, budoka can carry on this romantic belief of "what samurai is" (instead of "what samurai should be-how samurai should liv")
THe fact is, tachi is much older its not about "in war-not in war" it have something to do with "evolution of weapon smithing"
difference between those two is in iai (Iaijutsu) not in length of blade, maybe in angle. Horsemanship have something to do with that too.
@GhostAeonWolf ever been to Japan? there are many dojos (Iaido & Iaijutsu, Kendo & Kenjutsu, Tameshigiri, Shorinji Kempo, Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu) whose members consider themselves to be samurai. many dojos carry the crest of an old samurai clan (a Kamon) and allow only their members to show it in public. and even the Yakuza (Japanese mafia) claims hat they derive directly from samurai clans.
samurai have no political power nowadays, but most Japanese ppl will tell you that they still exist.
@Heteroskedastic Look at this though, a Japanese movie with samurais. Try to find a single guy with the blade down. They didn't do that because it would dull the blade when they walked around as the blade would scratch against the inside of the sheath.
I just searched the internets, and could not find what device he uses in the movie to unlock cars/gates and start cars. Does anyone know what this is?
@angels77100 my friend why about it makes you laugh? why would this be a joke? i don't understand. some men....men of a different breed...choose to live life of their own accordance, not be what they see on tv or society, both are flawed. they choose to practice ideals instead of preaching them....choose to understand instead of being understood...i thought it was a great movie.
i have nothing against forest whittaker i just dont think he really suits this role. i mean he doesnt fuck it up or anything lol suits more like a spas 12 than a kitana
I just saw some scenes of the movie and it looks great actually. From what I'vs seen it has the samurai philosophy in it (I've seen that mostly with the black bear scene).
I know I should check the movier first, but my first reaction is:
WHAT... THE... FUCK!?! really? that was all so wrong! And I don't know about how the saya was placed at wich era, but I recon it was on the other side in a later era.
AHHHH GREAT MOVIE... LOVE SAMURAI /KUNG FU FLICKS..LOVE WU TANG. MAD PEOPLE SAID ITS WACK.. BUT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLES OF BEING A SAMURAI.
@need2learn2spkspan This movie came out in the 90s. Parodies refer to something that mimics something that came before it. Ninja Assasin would parody Ghost Dog?
@doox420 The saya would be upside down if it was a katana, where the mounting would have to be blade facing upwards. But whats in the video is probably a kodachi or a tachi, in which case its fine where it is.
What a brilliant artist Whitaker is, to improv this scene from his own mix of martial arts experience, in such a setting as this. True Discipline + Study.
whats the symbol of his necklace?
Haevok256 1 week ago
Ghost Dog - proof that you don't have to wear a Saville Row tailored suit to be a gentleman assassin.
2wingo 1 month ago
Forest Whitaker and Eskrima. Love it.
digby72 1 month ago
I'm almoust sure that you should take the katana folder in the opposite position, it's a quite big matter
DooMeis94 2 months ago
This scene gives us all a glimpse at what God wanted for us; peace. Peace in who we are, how we are, where we are, and how we got there.
dunecigar 2 months ago
what's the song it's really amazing
nomonotonous 2 months ago
I love this movie, most especially this scene. Thank you!
octaviasmama 2 months ago
fuckn rza! this shit is too hard!!
captainofyourstarshi 3 months ago
is this original version of the "samurai theme" available somewhere? I miss the drums in the beggining from the CD version...
Yrr5002 3 months ago
hehe laughing
theKIno5555 3 months ago
This movie is my most favorite movie.
I was affected on this movie.
And I did the hommage of this work.
ABSOLUTE0015 3 months ago 7
@ABSOLUTE0015 this doesnt make sense
phish100123 1 month ago
more like a ronin, not really a samurai.... who knows the real samurai behaviour knows what i mean.. a samurai is like a dog (in the good way of speaking)
ghost dog has really no boss (so to speak) only a moral debt to pay (for the mafioso saving his young butt) so he serves (saburau - verb from where samurai comes) him until he commits suicide by the owner of his life (the old mafioso with heart pills in his side pocket)
giakkaru 4 months ago
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this movie is ridiculous
sethdesade 4 months ago
@sethdesade like your post
HenricoM4E 3 months ago
this is one of the best 3 or 4 beats I've ever heard...wish it would've lasted longer
Pulguita225 4 months ago
@Pulguita225 word
tacosauce121 4 months ago
I love this fantastic movie!!!!!!
steevieable 5 months ago
Hi! Greetings from the spirit of my tiger.
TheLitung 6 months ago
The way of the samurai: "When you have a choice between life and death, always choose death"
mrdanielsir 6 months ago 6
@mrdanielsir why death?
pArTyBOE82 6 months ago
@pArTyBOE82
It's a quote from Yamamoto Tsunetomo, in his book Hagakure.
mrdanielsir 5 months ago
ghost dog ain't nothin' ta fuck with
iLLipino04 7 months ago
What song is it? Or where can i find this part of soundtrack?
cortezjwrz 8 months ago
@cortezjwrz , RZA - Samurai Theme
TheEazyLoc 8 months ago
@cortezjwrz RZA - Samurai Theme
gigavader 7 months ago
so good
algi75 8 months ago
لا بصراحة عجيب ... ساموراي خال ... أووووووووو مو طبيعي
al7assanchannel 8 months ago
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Schaezen 9 months ago
Black Ninja Combo Mortal Kombat ajudooooo
Mercedes600SEL 9 months ago
everyone can fallow the way of the samurai
CangurTDK 9 months ago
Check out Gza & DJ Muggs. Almost like this.
IronMaidenfanPL 9 months ago
whats the name of the tune
reeferhead12 9 months ago
@Phroggystyle Thank you!
VirtuosoOfLife 10 months ago
Forest Whitaker is cool in this!!
wesj1231 10 months ago
Is this meant to be comedy or serious? I do not know what film this is from.
LondonHalfJapanese 10 months ago
@LondonHalfJapanese This is serious its from the movie Ghost dog way of the samurai its a really good movie check it out
VanDamme11 10 months ago
@LondonHalfJapanese both
elunicocalvo 7 months ago
Forest Whitaker was nothing but the truth he studied the way of the samurai a bit preparing for this role so he did his homework and gave and excellent performance since he is a extrodinary actor already and a legend
VanDamme11 10 months ago
You are right, I disagree. A samurai in such a circumstance is not real samurai per se, he is a soldier. What makes a samurai a samurai, is not when he values the life of his lord over his own, because contrary to popular belief, most lords back then were corrupt. The samurai attains enlightment when he becomes "ronin", or masterless samurai, because at this point he is liberated to search his inner soul through his bushido, and not just function as his master's retainer....
StreetLethalRacing 10 months ago
@StreetLethalRacing Actually all ronin are disgraced samurai, since you are supposed to commit seppuku if you allow your lord to die, as the 47 ronin famously did.
razorlikeblue 9 months ago
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StreetLethalRacing 9 months ago
@razorlikeblue All ronin are most certainly not disgraced samurai. Such masterless samurai sought refuge, and through their collaboration the art of Ninpo was born. Ninjutsu was the result of masterless samurai within the Iga and Koga provinces of Japan. Again, you need to examine it from purely a political perspective. Ronin were samurai that were cast out of their offical ranks, whether framed, or through speculation. Trust me, this is a field that I have been studying for a very long time
StreetLethalRacing 9 months ago
@StreetLethalRacing whether or not someone is a samurai has nothing to do with a "political perspective". From a political perspective ANY soldier was a samurai, the samurai was the soldier class in society. What you are arguing is ideological, honor or bushido. From that stand point loyalty, unquestioning loyalty, was considered honorable. Regardless of whether or not a lord was corrupt.
razorlikeblue 9 months ago
@StreetLethalRacing From wikipedia (not 100% reliable, but is in line with what I learned): "According to the Bushido Shoshinshu (the Code of the Samurai), a samurai was supposed to commit oibara seppuku (also "hara kiri" – ritual suicide) upon the loss of his master. One who chose not to honor the code was "on his own" and was meant to suffer great shame. The undesirability of rōnin status was mainly a discrimination imposed by other samurai and by the daimyo (the feudal lords)"
razorlikeblue 9 months ago
i love this scene!
it's looks like Kata of Karate.
ABSOLUTE0015 10 months ago
there were darkskined Japanese... just like chinese and the whites... they all come from the first two people
MrAstro888 10 months ago
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D3V0LUTI0N 10 months ago
rza beats
1974gotcha 10 months ago
black dudes and katanas just dont fit each other well...
MickyThunderV 11 months ago
@MickyThunderV tell that to Blade
Thundergod25 11 months ago
@Thundergod25 Although I don't agree with him, either, I would have to point out that Blade didn't wield a katana. It looked more like a traditional Japanese longsword-type with a low profile crossguard.
Also, this movie was fucking awesome. Forest Whitaker is much better samurai than Tom Cruise...World better :P
BrokenHorn90 10 months ago
@MickyThunderV Forest Whitaker is the best samurai so you might as well stay quiet pikey
zarkoasenov 10 months ago
At the end after training, I thought he was going to switch off the CD-player. Good film.
nestcanz 11 months ago
this mofucka was always at war, best character ever for a film forest kills this shit
HPmob420 11 months ago
this actually kali/eskrima, he's done it for years
halfhausaman 11 months ago
@halfhausaman Yuup, he's a long time student of the Inosanto Academy. Which is why he did a lot of his own fight scenes in REPO MEN.
victorrain 11 months ago
The Samurai or Bushi, were followers of Bushido. They studied Confucianism, and Buddhism, and although they had other "activities", their main objective was to loyally serve their masters, Daimyo.
hippyblood4 11 months ago
@CEEJAYDAISRAELITE many Japanese would not agree with this. however i think, too, that the true nature of a samurai is not in his colour of skin or ethinical background: it is his inner strength, discipline, humbleness, loyalty to the people he loves. it´s his belief in a purpose in life, his dedication to a certain philosophy, moral code & way of living. and in the end it´s his disregard for his own life, as long as he accomplishes his task & stays true to himself.
that´s a real samurai.
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StreetLethalRacing 10 months ago
@harpiyon isn`t it in the life on Ghost Dog ? In my opinion it`s what we can see ;)
demeczq 10 months ago
@harpiyon yep but the regular samurai was an idiot to die for some lord. i prefer miamoto musashi who was commit only to himeself
THEKAKI2012 9 months ago
@THEKAKI2012 "an idiot"? the samurai social system worked for many centuries, and it worked very well. the late phase of the samurai, the Edo period, brought 250 years of peace to Japan. this enabled the development of incredibly sophisticated arts, theatre, music, philosophy, morals, discipline, martial arts, etc.
it´s so easy to judge a society & its members from outside & point with the finger. it´s much more difficult to really deal with it & try to understand it.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon Absolutely. It's too bad most of the real samurai didn't really care much for these values though, just like the real knights cared for chivalry only in name and form.
Ismailikov 9 months ago
@Ismailikov i think many samurai did care for those values. otherwise the samurai society would have broken down from the inside. but it worked very well, and it would have lasted for longer if it wasn´t for the emperor who wanted a modern Japan.
in the late phase, around the mid-19th century, the samurai were old-fashioned & opposing modern times. this does not mean they did not have values, on the contrary: many of them did it excatly because they had values.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon only during the Edo period with it's romanticizations of the 'honourable samurai past'. It's this mentality with made the Samurai so politically entrenched and hostile to reform. It's also what made the last of them much more religious in their obedience to the Bushido. The early Samurai were usually irrational, cruel and brutal, usually observing few of the values the chivalric code promoted. Aside from during Sengoku, they did fight bravely though, always accepting duels etc.
Ismailikov 9 months ago
@harpiyon by this last part, they still fought bravely but did not observe typical samurai codes of warfare (like single combat during a fight, dying rather than fleeing, and obedience to masters).
Ismailikov 9 months ago
@Ismailikov i agree, in some early phases of Japanese history, the samurai were just warriors without many principles. but over the centuries, they evolved into a social caste that did not only live for war, but was also included in civil life: they were in control of the whole country, and they were respected by all other castes, including the emperor. they had a philosophy of their own, principles, a moral code.
it is remarkable how far a caste of simple warriors could come in history.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon definitely, especially considering how things generally went the other direction in other societies.
Ismailikov 9 months ago
@Ismailikov glad you agree on this. the Japanese culture is one of the richest, most sophisticated, most interesting cultures in the world. of course there are other rich & sophisticated culturs, too, but the Japanese one could perserve its original form very well. it could do this because of many factors, but the samurai were definitely one of the main factors. they made it possible.
and you know, the samurai might not be a social class any more, but their spirit still exists in modern Japan.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon indeed, the Japanese I know are hard-working, mature but they still like a laugh from time to time. The only difficulty is getting to know them in the first place ;). Where I come from (Jamaica) has a short history that started with injustice and violence, so, like Americans, its harder to trace one's history than with isolated and continuous peoples like the Japanese.
Ismailikov 9 months ago
@Ismailikov so you´re from Jamaica? well maybe the known history of Jamaica is short, but history is history: 1000 years, have the same span everywhere, Jamaica or Japan. i don´t know how much of the original culture is still there in Jamaica, but if you´re interested, i´m sure there is the possibility to learn about it. i´m sure you´ll find many nice, beautiful & interesting things. or maybe you did already.
anyway, some cultures might be difficult to trace, but it´s not impossible.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon I know that, but what I mean is that my nation was truly born with the Age of Discovery and the Triangular Trade. I'm not angry at it for not being long enough :) I just mean it separates it from countries like Japan which have a very long continuous history. Us Jamaicans, like Americans, are quite 'young' on the global stage. Yeah I know that there were people inhabiting the island before the nation existed, but that can't really be considered Jamaica
Ismailikov 9 months ago
@harpiyon wrong samurai were not warriors, they were a class...
Konvictedjeezy 7 months ago
@Konvictedjeezy well yeah, they were the warrior class :D
harpiyon 7 months ago
@harpiyon well no they weren't because there were samurai that were farmers samurai in the working class. There were also samurai that were born into poverty and became assassins.
Konvictedjeezy 7 months ago
@Konvictedjeezy some warriors were originally peasants but they were not called Samurai, they were "Bushi" ("warriors"). the Samurai as a social caste came up gradually. during the Kamamakura Shogunate (fouded by Minamoto no Yoritomo in the late 12th century) they became a social caste & a political power with their own rules & the philosophy of "Bushidô" ("the Way of the Warrior").
Samurai was a social caste with many ranks. some were rich, others poor, but all were Samurai.
harpiyon 7 months ago
@Konvictedjeezy Samurai were the main armies & the key factor in many battles throughout the centuries, esp. during the Sengoku period ("warring-states period", mid-15 century - beginning of 17th century). during the Tokugawa Shogunate (or Edo Period, 1603 - 1868) Japan had a long era of peace. the Samurai were mainly working as courtiers, castle guards, bureaucrats, administrators, but they had still the status of warriors. Samurai without a master, the "Ronin", were usually asssassins.
harpiyon 7 months ago
@harpiyon I agree. The Way of the Samurai, Bushido... is the way of the warrior. The way a warrior SHOULD conduct himself. Doesn't matter what color you are or what country you come from you. War is the same, whether you are Japanese or not. You still have an employer, you still have a reputation to maintain, loyalty, etc. Life is the same. Form is emptiness.
elic1t 9 months ago
@elic1t wrong..you obviously havnt heard of myamoto musashi and hagakure.though samuraimeans "to server" it doesnt mean that a samurai has to have a master.as the samurai culture progressed from well disciplined soldier to warrior of the hidden leaves..he let go the servitude and death dealing..thus became a fighter for those who love him and those he love.or so he chose.such is samurai..
tyger0603 8 months ago
@tyger0603 well said!
Konvictedjeezy 7 months ago
wtf? a ghetto samurai? Hell no! A real nigger always uses a 9mm... This movie is a fail...
btw: i'm not from the US or UK so i don't know if writing nigger is going to be racist, but i have no intention of being considered a racist so sorry if i made anyone feel bad..
Darkplayer01 1 year ago
@Darkplayer01 Watch the movie, and be ready to have your preconceived notions changed.
Radishmantis 1 year ago
@Darkplayer01 you totally fucking offended me. im not white
fnm1991 1 year ago
Cool scene. Roger Ebert said it best Ghost Dog is crazy. He sleeps in a shack by his birds. He's profoundly mentally disturbed and yet you like this guy. Jim Jarmusch is a genius and so is Forest Whitaker's performance of this complex and crazy man. I'd love to see a squel where he comes back as an actual ghost.
Rayvyn007 1 year ago
@Rayvyn007 Roger Ebert in no way said it best. The times might be crazy, but Ghost Dog was very much a man for them.
Fightosaurus 11 months ago
@Fightosaurus You think he was sane?
Rayvyn007 11 months ago
@Rayvyn007 Let's say that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Fightosaurus 11 months ago
@Fightosaurus That may be true. However when a guy sleeps on a roof while letting pigeons urinate all over him, you can pretty much bet he's bat-crap crazy.
Rayvyn007 11 months ago
@Rayvyn007 First of all, pigeons don't piss - it's why bird crap has that watery consistency. Second, the Ghost Dog depicted in the movie kept the pigeons in their own enclosure and appeared to be rather fastidious about his personal appearance. While it's technically true that we never see his restroom accommodations or daily hygine routine, I'd argue that this has more to do with the director not being a complete idiot and less to do with any implied absence of either from the character's life
Fightosaurus 9 months ago
I got it, it's in the Japanese soundtrack version, thanks
DarkMagicGr 1 year ago
what's the name of the track?
DarkMagicGr 1 year ago
@DarkMagicGr Samurai theme from ghost dog soundtrack
TommyCurrell 1 year ago
if he was that disciplined would he be fat ????
pubicteeth 1 year ago
hi have spirit discipline,not going to fitness,moron...
stefanjovic 1 year ago
@stefanjovic does not compute!
pubicteeth 1 year ago
@samuricex It's not upside-down. It's just another way to wear the sword popular before 1600. A sword held that way is referred to as a "tachi." If the sharp edge of the sword faces upwards, then the sword is called "katana" which, by the way, is popular among Edo-era samurai.
linekill 1 year ago
@linekill That would be true if the tachi hadn't been disbanded. It was also a much longer sword that evolved into the katana. Even if you had a time machine you wouldn't be able to find a single samurai wearing a katana blade in the tachi fashion.
Not sure what Harpiyon is talking about since I've never read anything like that before. I know some fighting styles required the blade to be faced down, but as far as I know they wouldn't keep it like that when they weren't fighting.
samuricex 1 year ago
@samuricex "Some historians state that a sword is called a tachi when hung from the obi with the edge down, and the same sword becomes a katana when worn edge up and thrust through the girdle."
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"Unlike the traditional manner of wearing the katana, the tachi was worn hung from the belt with the cutting-edge down, and was usually used by cavalry."
from wikipedia
harpiyon 1 year ago
@harpiyon The problem there is that two of those quotes are talking about the actual tachi BLADE, and one is talking about the tachi FASHION. Just take a look at GD's blade, it is quite clearly a katana blade and he also "thrusts it through the girdle" rather than "hanging it from the belt."
samuricex 1 year ago
@samuricex well anyway i think it´s not "wrong" how he is carrying it. Do you know what martial arts he is doing?
I´m doing Eishin Ryu Iaido, Shodai Ryu (a form of Tameshigiri) and Onoha Itto Ryu. In all three, we carry the swords with the blade upwards (as usual). Still I don´t claim that I know ALL Japanese martial arts, so there might be one or more where the blade is carried as seen in the movie.
BTW I also can´t really say if GD has a tachi or a katana, cause they are really similar.
PEACE
harpiyon 1 year ago
@samuricex ... and one more:
"The tachi was the predecessor to the katana as the battle-blade of feudal Japan's bushi (warrior class), and as it evolved into the later design, the two were often differentiated from each other only by how they were worn and by the fittings for the blades."
from wikipedia; you can look it all up if you insert "tachi" there
harpiyon 1 year ago
@samuricex I thought swords should point blade down? if so, i think that's the correct positioning.
Heteroskedastic 1 year ago
@Heteroskedastic Look at this though, a Japanese movie with samurais. Try to find a single guy with the blade down. They didn't do that because it would dull the blade when they walked around as the blade would scratch against the inside of the sheath.
you tube.com /watch?v= oyH0lm P4N7Y
samuricex 1 year ago
@samuricex usually the samurai had 2 pairs of sword (daisho): 1 for war times: tachi (long sword) and tanto (dagger), and one for peace times / private life: katana (long sword) and wakizashi (short sword). the tachi resembled the katana, but its sheath (saya) had ropes to attach it to the samurai´s armor: usually it hung blade down. in private life, they put the katana & wakizashi in the belt of their hakama: both usually blade up
"ghost dog" having the sword like this means: he is at war
harpiyon 1 year ago 33
@harpiyon bong bong..thanks for the knowledge son,,i never knew this..where u pick this up??
DirtyRat88 11 months ago
@DirtyRat88 well i´m interested in Japanese culture so i read a lot abot it,. besides i´ve been doing martial arts since childhood and spent one year in Japan, training almost every day. in a good dojo you don´t just learn fighting, you also learn philosophy, history, culture & the like.
harpiyon 11 months ago
@harpiyon In popular mythology Samurai are quick to commit Seppuku to preserve their honor. Seppuku (切腹) is a Japanese term for ritual suicide by cutting into the stomach with a short sword called a wakizashi or knife called a tantÅ
your ''short sword'' is like an ad on, bonus, acseesory ... not a peace sword they usualy hawe bouth :D
thedevillangell 10 months ago
@thedevillangell seppuku was not only in popular mythology, but a real way of committing suicide: it was regarded as a honorable way an ppl did it to re.establish their honor & be redeemed from a bad deed.
and the wakizashi was more than mere accesory: when a samurai visited another one, he had to leave the katana outside at the gate; but he kept the wakisashi, so in case someone tried to attack him inside, he could defend himself. there were even dojos teaching "wakizashi-ryu" fight techniques.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon Tachi or Katana are forms ouf mounting a blade, and considering the cost of a blade it just depended on the current fashion if a blade was remounted. To have several "spare" blades idling in a chest one would have to be stupendiously wealthy. The "Ropes" as you call them are NOT for mounting the blade to the armor - its just a sturdy piece of cord to pull back the sleeves of the Gi or to tie up prisoners. Carrying the blade up or downwards depends on the mounting.
SnowmanIkkaan 9 months ago
@SnowmanIkkaan right, a good blade was always expensve (it still is) and many samurai had just one pair of blades.
however, the original (or ideal) idea during the Sengoku, Azuchi-Momoyama & Edo period was that each samurai should have 2 pairs of swords, 1 for war & 1 for civil life. often the tachi & katana looked similar, but they could be distinguished by the signature of the swordsmith: while it its scabbard (saya), it was usually on the outer side of the blade (showing away from the user).
harpiyon 9 months ago
@SnowmanIkkaan however, many samurai esp. in the late Edo period could not afford to have 2 pairs of blades; and there was no need for the tachi, as it was peace time. still, some had an extra saya to be able to wear their katana tachi-style, e.g. during official events / ceremonies. the tachi was mainly used by cavalry but also by some foot soldiers. and it DID hang from ropes blade-down. the ropes were usually the standard sageo (for the katana) but wrung around the saya so it hung blade down.
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon FALSE and FALSE
Samurai does not exist anymore, but, budoka can carry on this romantic belief of "what samurai is" (instead of "what samurai should be-how samurai should liv")
THe fact is, tachi is much older its not about "in war-not in war" it have something to do with "evolution of weapon smithing"
difference between those two is in iai (Iaijutsu) not in length of blade, maybe in angle. Horsemanship have something to do with that too.
and im not speakin about his false martial art
GhostAeonWolf 4 months ago
@GhostAeonWolf ever been to Japan? there are many dojos (Iaido & Iaijutsu, Kendo & Kenjutsu, Tameshigiri, Shorinji Kempo, Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu) whose members consider themselves to be samurai. many dojos carry the crest of an old samurai clan (a Kamon) and allow only their members to show it in public. and even the Yakuza (Japanese mafia) claims hat they derive directly from samurai clans.
samurai have no political power nowadays, but most Japanese ppl will tell you that they still exist.
harpiyon 4 months ago
@harpiyon you know you stuff homeboy
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@Heteroskedastic Look at this though, a Japanese movie with samurais. Try to find a single guy with the blade down. They didn't do that because it would dull the blade when they walked around as the blade would scratch against the inside of the sheath.
you tube . com/watch?v=oyH0lmP4N7Y
samuricex 1 year ago
They need a sequal with Pearline (Camille Winbush) becoming a badazz assassin and avenging ghost dog!
awwwnawwbruh 1 year ago
the thumbs down all came from members of the Film Actors Guild
awwwnawwbruh 1 year ago
this is one of the greatest instrumentals i ever heard im gonna record a song to this beat Peace respect to all real hip hop
theblazerkid956 1 year ago
I just searched the internets, and could not find what device he uses in the movie to unlock cars/gates and start cars. Does anyone know what this is?
Thanks in advance.
MrSantiagoandDunbar 1 year ago
@MrSantiagoandDunbar
ahhh, an illegal device maybe? might be why you can't find it on the net.
awwwnawwbruh 1 year ago
shown are aome FMA moves, Dan Inosanto trained him well.
yellowbooze 1 year ago
Forrest Whittaker trains with Dan Inosanto
yellowbooze 1 year ago
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theblazerkid956 1 year ago
Throughout your life advance daily, become more skillful than yesterday, more skillful than today. This is never-ending. -Hagakure
LachyHanzo 1 year ago
Surely this is a joke?
angels77100 1 year ago
@angels77100 my friend why about it makes you laugh? why would this be a joke? i don't understand. some men....men of a different breed...choose to live life of their own accordance, not be what they see on tv or society, both are flawed. they choose to practice ideals instead of preaching them....choose to understand instead of being understood...i thought it was a great movie.
teckguy00 1 year ago
i have nothing against forest whittaker i just dont think he really suits this role. i mean he doesnt fuck it up or anything lol suits more like a spas 12 than a kitana
rawfflecakes 1 year ago
Ghost Dog...Great Movie
beastlyzino 1 year ago
@samuricex : it's not
signorellil 1 year ago
@signorellil Yes, it is.
The sharpened side is supposed to be faced up so that it doesn't dull the blade when the samurai walks.
samuricex 1 year ago
its dangerous when a hitman follows the ways of old, especially hagakure, imagine he was following sun tzu the art of war
CAZPERsayz 1 year ago
what is this tune i want it!
tom1980uk 1 year ago
he goes in at 1:00
gdal 1 year ago
I didn't know Forest Whitaker was a samurai warrior!!! haha good shit
toldyaification 1 year ago
only problem I have with this film is he never actually uses his martial arts on anyone, thats a waste
Soundgardener80 1 year ago
Onelove
SiouxSyndicate 1 year ago
thug life
Gottasuckit 1 year ago
I just saw some scenes of the movie and it looks great actually. From what I'vs seen it has the samurai philosophy in it (I've seen that mostly with the black bear scene).
Ikarus568 1 year ago
Sorry If I offended anyone, I know it's just a movie but I get carried away everytime I see this. fuckeen' Hollywood :/
Now, I'm off to see this and judge it rightly ;)
Ikarus568 1 year ago
I know I should check the movier first, but my first reaction is:
WHAT... THE... FUCK!?! really? that was all so wrong! And I don't know about how the saya was placed at wich era, but I recon it was on the other side in a later era.
0:33 useless wrist move
Footwork was meh
from 0:37 just go ahead and try this on sokmeone with any kind of sword (lol ensues)
1:07 Ok so he 'trusted at someone' and with the blade still in the sternum of the other guy he sheaths and cuts his fingers?
(sorry!)
Ikarus568 1 year ago
@Ikarus568 Nobody cares dude. Stop giving lectures people didn't ask for; we don't want to hear your armchair combatics.
Jaasl 1 year ago
@doox420 unless the blade is on the other side....
0n3m4n4rm33 1 year ago
AHHHH GREAT MOVIE... LOVE SAMURAI /KUNG FU FLICKS..LOVE WU TANG. MAD PEOPLE SAID ITS WACK.. BUT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLES OF BEING A SAMURAI.
1pothead 1 year ago
@1pothead agreed...the were men of integrity....
teckguy00 1 year ago
what's the name of the instrumental ?
Haakona93 1 year ago
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FluffyJetProductions 1 year ago
What's the name of the instrumental?
Haakona93 1 year ago
what's the name of the instrumental ?
Haakona93 1 year ago
Zaje***** film polecam a muza jeszcze lepsza
mzak27 1 year ago
very good movie and a damn good OST
ValaSandzaklija 1 year ago
@need2learn2spkspan This movie came out in the 90s. Parodies refer to something that mimics something that came before it. Ninja Assasin would parody Ghost Dog?
dreadz2dreadz 1 year ago
@dreadz2dreadz i said it looks like a parody i never said it was a parody
need2learn2spkspan 1 year ago
Scabbards's were worn different ways depending on if the time was war or peace.
JMP071 1 year ago
I uploaded the entire film.
LiquidSolidRaiden 1 year ago
That muthafncka was in the zone!
dunecigar 1 year ago
Please let me know what´s the name of the song?
legsish 1 year ago
one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite films hands down...
DoctorSess 1 year ago
Forrest Whitaker is a badass.
DanimalXIII 1 year ago
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LiquidSolidRaiden 1 year ago
way too short !!!
joeverbeurgthoste 1 year ago
does anyone know were i can find the books of ghost dog? the books he reads in the movie
123asd260 1 year ago
@123asd260 Quotes are from the Hagakure, the book he lends the little girl is Rashomon. Enjoy reading, I have.
brigmate 1 year ago
@brigmate and where can i buy them ?
123asd260 1 year ago
@doox420 The saya would be upside down if it was a katana, where the mounting would have to be blade facing upwards. But whats in the video is probably a kodachi or a tachi, in which case its fine where it is.
cndmo00 1 year ago
whats the name of the track anyway?
NarutoOndo 1 year ago
What a brilliant artist Whitaker is, to improv this scene from his own mix of martial arts experience, in such a setting as this. True Discipline + Study.
rebelmars 1 year ago
@doox420 I believe he meant it was upside down from the way that the sheath would traditionally be kept.
Juno36 1 year ago
@doox420 I believe he's referring to the traditional way of carrying a katana not a tachi, and that's blade facing the up.
AerialDreamz 1 year ago
where's the dog?
harleybob10 1 year ago