Is God The Author of Sin? 1/5 - Calvinism Refuted! Jesse Morrell

[fractalfires1]

I've debated the 'author of sin' issue for months now. God enabled Jeff Swayzee to be forced into the core error of Calvinism. He holds that God is not a moral agent, that God has no conscience, that God is good because he DECLARES himself to be, and contradicts himself saying that good consists in God doing what he pleases. Those are his main points. Not even Calvin, Edwards even claim that God has no conscience or judicial faculty. Jesse, if you could do a pointed vid on this, kudos!

[bibletheology]

@xrevisex The devil tempted them by saying that God was holding back from them because if they ate they would be like God. We can conclude then that they ate to be like God. And it says Eve saw the food and that it was good for food, pleasant to the eyes, and desirable to make one wise. They ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil because they wanted knowledge of good and evil. They were deceived by the devil. Their motivations were selfish. Their choice was free. Their motive selfish

[bibletheology]

@corey79731 Yea I can't believe Calvinists will say things like "You can't stop sinning. You can't be perfect. We all sin every day" thus giving the devil more victory than Jesus.

[JesusIsTheTruth619]

@bibletheology

BibleT,

You quote people saying "you can't be perfect" "you can't stop sinning"(while in the flesh) as if these are not facts. The misunderstanding here is by saying these things you think we are giving the devil more victory than Christ. Well the truth is someone who says this simply admits ones inability to achieve perfection/ their own salvation, and admits they need a Savior (Christ).

Your problem sir is you don't believe you are wretched and need a Savior.

[ambassadorinchainz]

Oh and Jesse the example of Cain is a poor one if you are trying to prove free will, for Cain demonstrated a couple verses after his inability to fulfill God's command. You have confused an imperative statement (what he ought do) with an indicative statement (what he is able to do or does do). If you follow through with this logic, when Jesus says that you must follow the commandments to have eternal life,the sinner must have the ability to do so thus eliminating the need for grace.

[fractalfires1]

@ambassadorinchainz "if you are trying to prove free will"

Free will is a self-evident truth of consciousness. It is assumed in every argument even if it is not directly thought of, just in the same way that we assume time is, space exists. We are conscious of the phenomena that passes before our minds, including mental states, choices, emotions. Thus we conclude that we have a faculty that produces choices. To prove its existence is really a fool's errand.

[ambassadorinchainz]

Free will as the man in the video accepts, I deny (and so does Scripture). I believe in a human will that is free to do whatever it is able to do.Can your free will cause you to shoot hamburgers from your ears?Of course not because there are physical limitations keeping you from doing so.When Paul says that no one does good not even one, he speaks of limitations on the human will to choose what is good without regeneration in the Spirit.Luther's Bondage of the Will is a good explanation of this

[fractalfires1]

@ambassadorinchainz "cause you to shoot hamburgers from your ears?"

Oh you are so CLEVER! Your 'freedom' is nothing more than the same freedom a rock has when someone drops it...it is 'free' to do what it is able until the limitations of the ground prevent it. Freedom to DO is not freedom of the will.

Nice strawman. The faculty of the will is not the obstacle to obedience, but the person wills what is wrong. Your Calvinist interpretation is not = to the Bible, k.

[ambassadorinchainz]

haha so you have not said anything about Scripture to argue with me...soooo. Explain what it means to be an enemy of wrath and dead in sin in Ephesians 2. Explain what Romans 3 is about when he says that no one seeks God not even one. Why does Jesus say in John 3 that no one sees the Kingdom much less enters it unless he is born from above (birth is quite passive isn't it). However once a man is regenerate he MUST repent and believe which he can and will do according to his new heart of flesh.

[fractalfires1]

@ambassadorinchainz "you have not said anything about Scripture to argue with me"

Yes I did. We are discussing interpretation of Scripture and I clearly corrected you that Calvinism is a lie. Then you pushed Luther. He ripped James out of his Bible. No Calvinist accepts the authority of Scripture and you wish to send me on a fool's errand of giving you pearls to trample. Your view of Romans 3 John 3 and Ephesians 2 was held by early gnostics. Nothing new there Marcion.

[ambassadorinchainz]

oh man ok that kind of argumentation is not helpful. Merely calling something gnostic or similar to Marcionism doesn't engage the ideas. Also, yes Luther was not a perfect man or a perfect theologian (ex: he had a tendency to allegorize Christ into the Old Test.). However he had very good things to say and was a warrior for the Gospel(he had a death sentence hanging over him for much of his life). Again, engage the ideas and the text rather than declaring your position true.

[ambassadorinchainz]

Also, please don't assume that I do not believe in the authority of Scripture because I do. It is why I hold to the doctrine of God's sovereignty in salvation. Now what is it that you believe concerning salvation? I am curious. Are you a Weslyan? A classical Arminian? A modern mix that focuses on one attribute of God? (love)

[ambassadorinchainz]

I'm not exactly sure where you picked up this idea that the corruption of the will is something that Augustine fabricated and that you, being of course superior in knowledge to all those who came before you, believe that you can just write off the idea of the depraved will. Ephesians 2,Romans 3, Psalm 53, Romans 8:21 are just a few verses that clearly state this idea. You need to wrestle with all of them(and the rest of scripture) before writing it off

[ambassadorinchainz]

Romans 3 describing the estate of sin says, "No one understands God, no one seeks God. All have turned aside together they have become worthless. No one does good not even one...For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." This is the estate of man after the fall.Most of the reformed community sees a difference between these two different estates. The free will as you speak of it no longer exists apart from Christ.

[bibletheology]

@ambassador Actually the idea that Adam's sin somehow corrupted human nature so that free will was lost is a concept found in the writings of Augustine but is never explicitly stated anywhere in the Scriptures. It is taken as a theological assumption or a presupposition but is unfounded. In fact, after the fall God spoke to the son of Adam Cain as one who had a free choice between good and evil. And it was after the fall and before Christ that God said, "choose life" and who they will serve

[ambassadorinchainz]

Well that is interesting that you say its a presupposition when you did not respond to what you think Romans 3 is saying..."No one seeks God...No none does good not even one" where is the will to do what is right in God's eyes? Yes we have real choices to make but our choices are restricted by the estate of our will. You can do whatever you want, but if your will is corrupt you will not do what is right.This is why we NEED JESUS to justify and sanctify us. And this is all for God's glory

[jamaicanification]

@bibletheology i would not blame st augustine for what Calvin developed. Even Augustine did not believe what Calvin did, because Augustine believed in free will. Calvin's version of predestination is just his interpretation of Augustine

[fractalfires1]

@jamaicanification Augustine used the phrase 'free will' but that is just word games. He clearly denied the freedom of the will as a good unrepentant Manichean would. Should I risk you claiming I am misunderstanding him if I provide clear explicit citations from Augustine? It is convenient for you I know. It beats having to change YOUR own views though doesn't it.

[jamaicanification]

@fractalfires1 am, bro. First of im not a Calvinist just to let you know. I lean more to the Arminian side. Second, im saying Calvin took Augustine's view and reinterpreted it. Thats all

[fractalfires1]

@jamaicanification My humblest apologies if I mistook your position. Still, Augustine did not believe in free will. Peace.

[ambassadorinchainz]

Now look I'm just gonna throw out there as someone who attends a Reformed Presby Seminary, No one here believes that God commits sin.Adam and Eve are culpable for their sin.Yet God of course knew in His omnipotence that they would sin.But the great truth is that what we gain in Christ is better than what Adam lost in the garden.Post fall we see man has lost free will as it was before the fall.It puts us into a state of spiritual death.We have an inability to do good.Romans 3 is extremely clear

[shpuker]

Our sins in a sense of relieving us from paying our dues no matter how sinful one being might have been under a pretense that we believe and follow god in truth not in meandered twists of his word. For God and Jesus are ultimately forgiving of all sin for their love of man kind is true and un-faltering. So no God did not create man as an "author of sin" as some had said but he did not create man arrogant to the fall to sin that he understood would be too tempting for man to resist.

[shpuker]

I made it through 5 minutes and that was painful enough.

God may have so created Adam and Eve with the intent that they follow and abide to his commandments, but God did so knowing that in temptation of the 'fruit' they would eventually and ultimately fall to "sin" (which is tossed around way too freely in describing behavior by the way, especially by you) in which he said in the beginning that he would send his son to free man from sin in a sense that he would take upon the punishment of...

[apollos6640]

@Bibletheology. consider the question;

Do people choose to Sin OUTSIDE of Gods Sovereign Will & Decree? Or is it, BECAUSE of Gods Sovereign Will & Decree, that people then "choose" to sin?"

Based on their own definition of Gods SOVEREIGNTY, All Calvinists support the ladder therefore:

God IS the Author/Creator/Prime Mover/Primary Cause/Designer/Architect & Father of ALL MORAL EVIL.

Jesus said Satan is the Faher of Lies, in Calvinism, Satan CANNOT lie, unless FIRST DECREED by God TO LIE.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

and while they were capable of obedience Jessie, God's plan was to glorify Himself in sending His Son to be the Savior of men and that was determined before the foundation of the world.

[bibletheology]

@ReformedMediadotNet Actually the Bible says that Christ was ordained before the foundation of the world, but that He was slain from the foundation of the world. God prepared for the fall before it happened, but it was not determined with certainty that Christ would die until it became necessary.

[NiceneCouncilcom]

@bibletheology Sir there is no difference between the two. Only you make that difference. Both happen before time began, that is the point. Christ's death was determined before the fall and marked out before it occurred. To proclaim what you are proclaiming is to say that God was somehow not sure that Christ would need to die before anything occurred which calls into question the omnipotence of God, but this is what Arminians do.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

your quotes about temptation are correct and I do agree that God is not the one tempting,.........but I am wondering if you understand the difference such as say, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil." here clearly we are told it is the Holy Spirit leading Jesus right into the place for the purpose of being tempted, not of God, but of the devil.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

and not one reformed person has ever said that God tempted Adam and Eve, so why make a statement as though we have?

[ReformedMediadotNet]

Jessie, while Adam and Eve had opportunity and ability to do both good and evil in the garden, that cannot be said for their posterity after the Fall, and so this is where many like yourself miss the biblical revelation concerning this such as others have mentioned in both Gen. 50, Acts 2, Jn 6, Eph, 1, Rom 9 and so on. You take narrative and construct your theology and stand didactic teaching on this issue on it's head.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

wow! you quoted some guy from facebook? Ok, just to shoot the comment down. God did not create Adam with the POTENTIAL for virtue. When he created Him, God said IT WAS GOOD. That is not potential my friend, it is reality. Adam then sinned and he was completely effected in every aspect of his being, INCLUDING HIS WILL. Never again, apart from the grace of God would man be able to fully obey God, nor would he desire to do so.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

uggggg. there is is.............FREE WILL..........the golden calf of man! Men cannot help but want to put their hands on some part of God's glory by ascribing that they are somehow involved! What a shame that men do not understand, but it is because they are blinded by tradition rather than enlightened by Scripture.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

wait...........God has the power of emotions? Hmmmm, Jessie, if God is emotional as you say, then wouldn't that cause Him to change? and yet He is immutable. I see a fashioning of God in your own image. Man being created in the image of God has nothing to do with that as evidenced in the New Testament by what is restored to man in being re-created.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

Mr. Morrell is simply showing from the start that he does not even have a grasp of what Reformed people believe. Nor does he have a grasp of what Scripture teaches in this area and my goodness, a person with a simply understanding of the Reformed faith could hold his feet to the fire on select passages and he would be unable to hold his position,.....................­.......just like every other opponent of the true gospel.

[ReformedMediadotNet]

Actually what you all are missing is what is meant by the phrase "author of sin". what is meant is not concerning God's decree, but rather the source of sin. sin is not something created but rather is defined in Scripture as "transgression of the law". so anyone claiming otherwise is either mistaken or lying. No God did not MAKE or CAUSE anyone to do anything. Rather both men and angels desire to do what they do and that is sin. God is not forcing anything, thus they are responsible.

[FlameOfFire]

What shall Jesse do with that? Teach us that God did not have "determinate counsel" for the death of Christ? Who would be teaching anti-Christian doctrine then?

[FlameOfFire]

Here's the ultimate test: Calvinists believe that God intended Christ to die. For example, Act 2:23 shows that this act was "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God". That is: God Himself "gave counsel" or "planned" for Christ to be put to death by sinful men. This is an act which the Jews see as utterly reprehensible -- they see they ought to be judged guilty for it (Acts 2:37).

God didn't do it: they did. Men are the authors; God has decreed but is not guilty.

[FlameOfFire]

As for what Calvinists believe, I think that the critics coming here to

"refute" Calvinism aren't listening at all.

What if it turns out that what Jesse and his co-laborers think "Calvinists" believe no actual Calvinists believe? Does that mean there are no Calvinists, or that Jesse & Co. have a problem with starting with things like the confessions and the catechisms of Protestantism and first understanding what is taught there?

[FlameOfFire]

OMG. What an awesome video. I thought he was going to ask me to snatch the pebble from his hand ...

However, I'll be interested to see Jesse's comments on Gen 50 -- that is, what the brothers of Joseph intended for evil, God intended for good.

[jyhoke]

Should really consider changing the name of the youtube page to UNbiblical or WeSimplyHateTheBible theology page.

[2many2remember1]

Wow, your smart. I never thought of the way you put this about sin.

[ExaminingCalvinism]

So C's want for us to believe that God decrees all, but is not the Author of what He decrees? If God scripted whatsoever comes to pass, such that there is but one free will in the universe, and that there is no such thing as "independent thought" outside of the script, well then how would the scriptor not also be the author? Is that a mystery, or are C's just up to no good? (PS, I imagine that Clement was answering the Gnostics. Nice company the C's are in.)

[grantedimustbeinsane]

you really quotes pelagious.......

[grantedimustbeinsane]

now GOd couldnt creat a morally up right person..... he would have to be all powerful..... what you would think he was some kind of God if he had that power....

[weareabreedofdirt]

Therefore, on our own we are incapable of understanding God, or understanding our sinful nature. We live in a world that swims in iniquity like a fish in water. Fish don't know that they're wet! It takes divine intervention in order to bring us to God. I take no credit for my salvation, rather, I give ALL the glory to God alone. I pray that you will do the same.

[weareabreedofdirt]

Whoa whoa red flag. Calvinists do NOT claim God is the author of sin! That would be hyper-calvinism. Do your research before you make assumptions. You know what you do when you assume, right?

Anyway, Calvinists believe that Adam and Eve could CHOOSE good or evil, but because they chose evil, we are now born into a fallen world and a fallen nature. As a result, we are totally depraved (Romans 5:12,19;) and incapable of understanding spiritual matters (1 Corinthians 2:14-16). *continued*

[MrXD120]

Arminians turn into Calvinists when they pray... just hear their words... :)

[prn72271]

@MrXD120 I have heard calvinists ask God to do whatever it takes to bring someone to Himself.

[tommy605]

This is all wrong. It breaks down like this

God created everything, and everyone. He sees all and knows all, and nothing happens that he did not know or allow.

So, given that God created everything, including satan, he should have known, foreseen what satan would do.

Now, God may not have "authored" sin, but he created the opportunity and ingredients that lead to sin's creation

And it should be known that I do not believe in god. The above is just common sense.

[prn72271]

@tommy605 this is true but that should not be placed at Gods account as if God wanted Adam and Eve to sin. There in lies the problem.

You and I may do wrong but does God want us to do it? He knew we would do it before we were born however he asks us to repent of it.

[RefutingSkellyism]

Sorry Jesse,I tried to listen but I couldn't take it.One false premise built upon another & I believe you don't even realize it. God has handed the likes of you & Skelly over to a stupor, nearly exactly as He had hardened the Israelites.I'm going to pray for you Jesse. I'll make a video retort to this series after I've finished mopping the floor with Kerrigans lies, slander, & bogus hermeneutics.Suffice it to say Jesse, you need to repent.You disparage the Work of the Cross & God's Sovereignty.

[RefutingSkellyism]

The Westminster Confession clearly says in Chapter 3 Article !; 'God is NOT the author of sin.'

So, to answer this question, all one has to do is read the Calvinistic Westminster Confession of Faith.

As Calvinist all agree, God is not the author of sin.

Perhaps we should ask this video's author. "Why does Jesse Morrell lie about what Calvinist's believe?' Does he not know lying is a sin, and that slanderers do NOT enter the Kingdom of God?

[bibletheology]

@RefutingSkellyism

The Westminster says that God has DECREED all sin, and yet somehow that He is not the AUTHOR of sin. This is a contradiction. They object to the phrase "author of sin" but they do not object to the concept. This is shown by the MANY quotes I gave from REFORMERS like LUTHER and CALVIN who said that God CAUSES angels and men to SIN! Watch the videos.

[RefutingSkellyism]

@bibletheology All you have is as semantic problem with yourself. Decree is the same as determining what to allow or permit. If you understood the intent upon the use of the word 'decree' you wouldn't have made this video, nor spew your slanders about what Calvinists believe. Tell me, what's the difference between God's decrees & what He permits to occur? Man's sinful will predictably runs to sin, what God permits them to do, is what He decrees to happen. NO? Does not God know what men will do?

[bibletheology]

@RefutingSkellyism

What about all the quotes I gave of Calvinists who said that God causes men and angels to sin? Or the quotes from Calvinists I showed where they said that God causes ALL sin? For example, Luther and Calvin said that sin is the work of God, thus they make Him to be a worker of iniquity.

Did you even watch these videos??

[RefutingSkellyism]

@bibletheology You don't understand the premise from which they said such things. You are interpolating what they have written & extracting it from the context of their discourse on the ramifications of God's Sovereignty. Because God is absolute Sovereign, ULTIMATELY, everything that occurs cannot do so without God's consent. From that perspective ALONE it can be said God is the 'cause'. Yet, it is the liberty & contingencies of SECONDARY CAUSES which author sin. But not beyond God's consent.

[prn72271]

@RefutingSkellyism sound like a whole lot of fancy stuff to say that John Calvin was not saying that God caused sin. What I am getting from calvinsm is not only did God allow the sin but that God "wanted" Adam to sin.

Things may not happen without God allowing them but that doesnt mean He consented to them happening. Also, What God allowed was choice, there was no agreement to or desire on God's behalf that evil should take place. Consent and allow are not synonymous at all.

[RefutingSkellyism]

@prn72271 'Cause' is an ambiguous term. What constitutes something 'caused'. Did God 'cause' sin because He made a law, or a tree, or a garden where the tree would be in reach? If God is timeless and knows ALL things, then in making the law, tree and garden, He caused the whole thing. Did God not also 'cause' the serpent to exist? If God made all these things, then He how can you say HE didn't cause it? What do you mean by 'cause' in light of God knowing the future as well as the past.

[prn72271]

@RefutingSkellyism thats is irrelevant to the price of fish. You are using allow and consent as the same word, so based on that your explanation fails terribly.God did not cause it at all, He created al for His pleasure. Funny, you are using logic which many calvinists shun in dealing with certian scriptures.

[prn72271]

@RefutingSkellyism Put it like this. I have Children - I KNOW THEY WILL MISBEHAVE at somepoint but I still want to have them. By your logic you are saying that I have caused them to misbehave because of knowlegde, for if I didnt have them, then they wouldnt misbehave. I have children hoping they will Love and Obey me and ultimatley Christ.. God wants love and obedience even to a point that He risked rebellion to get it, His desire is a people who will decide to please Him.

[RefutingSkellyism]

@prn72271 The hall mark of an imbecile is that they put words in the mouth of the one they are arguing with.When you can get around to define what 'cause' means,give me a response..

So, why didn't God stop the serpent from tempting Eve? Why did He put the Tree in the Garden? Why bother testing Adam and EVE? Did not God 'cause' the situation to exist? Does not God sustain the integrity of every atom that makes their physicality? And you say He had no part in the 'cause'?

[prn72271]

@RefutingSkellyism, Imbecile, huh? Nice!

You said nothing can happen without God's "consent" and that is utter foolishness for when you consent you are in agreement with.

Did God consent to you calling me an imbecile or did He cause you to type it because He gave you life or was it God who caused me say the things to you that would cause you to be upset & respond like that.

If God causes everything, He is then the Author of sin. No matter how Calvinists weasel aroung it.

[RefutingSkellyism]

@prn72271 I don't need to be upset, to understand the fact that you're an imbecile. You haven't even begun to address what the term 'cause' really means. Instead you're rambling on to non sequturs and irrelevances.

Me upset? Not at all. You an imbecile? It's certifiable.

Wake up dingbat! God is in control of EVERYTHING! How does that have a bearing on the meaning of the word 'cause'. Think first, before you respond with another vacuous and imbecilic line of reasoning.

[prn72271]

@RefutingSkellyism you use the word cause very lightly to suit your beliefs.

If Adam and Eve could choose to do otherwise, the "cause" for their demise is their own lust and will regardless of what God allowed or whether He put this world in motion.

I do understand that could do nothing else. God is double minded, even though He said, dont, He actually was saying do.

No means Yes, Yes means no.

SO every sin you have committed, God caused it.

Peace!

[prn72271]

@RefutingSkellyism did I cause my Child to sin by saying, dont eat those cookies? or dont do this or that?

I am sure you agree, i did not.

[loverzin1john]

C'MON HE CREATED EVERYTHING THAT IN ITSELF SAYS ALOT. WHAT IF HE DID NOT CREATE ANYTHING GOD WAS NOT OBLIGATED TO CREATE ANYONE BUT HE DID, Y? BECAUSE HE, THE KINGSHIP BECAUSE HE RULES FOREVER. THE I AM THAT I AM

[loverzin1john]

GOD IS NOT IN A LEAGUE TO BE CLASSIFIED AS BAD, HE IS A SUPREME BEING. HE CAN NOT BE CALLED EVIL EVEN IF HE MAKES EVIL HAPPEN HE IS ABOVE THAT. HIS STATUS CAN NOT BE BROUGHT DOWN.

THE BOOK OF HEBREWS SAYS IT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LORD.

I THINK THAT MEANS THAT NO ONE CAN CHANGE HIS STATUS i.e IF GOD ALLOWS EVIL TO HAPPEN HE WILL STILL BE CALLED GOOD. DO Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAN MAKE ANYONE VANISH INTO THIN AIR.. 'YOU NEVER EXISTED KINDA MOVE'

[PyroFreeze777]

@loverzin1john

C.S. Lews- The Problem of Pain (chap 3. Divine Goodness)

What seems to us good may therefore not be good in His eyes, and what seems to us evil may not be evil. On the other hand, if God’s moral judgment differs from ours so that our black may be His white, we can mean nothing by calling Him good; for to say, ‘God is Good,’ while asserting that His goodness is wholly other than ours, is really only to say, ‘God is we know not what.”’

[TheIsraelite7777]

@loverzin1john

Hey, you are right. We should all fear God. Lack of fear for God is why the world is the way it is today. Most Christians claim to follow God, but they don't even fear him. They just see him as some cuddly teddy bear who is going to love them all the day long. Boy, are they in for a rude awakening when Jesus comes back.. If they survive the tribulations...

[loverzin1john]

God created every thing.. he spoke it to existence. however his will for us is to live and that he desires the best for us even though he does not owe us.

it cost his son to show this. I will avoid argument re: this topic. because I will like you to understand that God is not in a league to be classified as evil. Right now humanity are staring at the cup of his wrath. Forget the devil, forget sin FEAR GOD WHO IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH BODY AND SOUL.

[loverzin1john]

Dude..... i see ur heart but may i point something out... This a question a child would ask. If God can do anything, how come he cant lie? well My answer would be, because he doesn't have to.

[TrueCore08]

Eph 4:23-24 Be RENEWED in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man,which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. RENEWED means to reform or renovate...to make like new again! As God created Adam before the fall. Calvinist reject the Holy Spirits strength to RENEW the carnal mind...to hold to this belief would mean every soul would go to hell, because to be carnally minded is death...Romans 8:6. Great job Jesse and God bless

[HolySpiritDwells]

I appreciate your presence on you tube...glad to see you making more videos! God Bless brother!!

[Krustbox]

adam and eve had free will. but the fall enslaved mankind's will to sin, as the bible teaches. he who sins is the slave of sin. We no longer have free will since the fall. Nice try though.

[bibletheology]

@Krustbox To serve righteousness or to serve sin is a choice of the will. The Bible says that men “yield” themselves to sin (Rom. 6:13). Paul said “ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity” (Rom. 6:19). To “yield” is to consent, surrender, or submit. A servant of sin is someone who chooses to obey sin. .

[Krustbox]

@bibletheology Romans 8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, NOR INDEED CAN BE. Therefore, those who are in the flesh can not please God." Romans 3, "There is none that is good, no not one. There is no God seeker." Genesis after the flood, "And EVERY intent of the thoughts of their heart was ONLY EVIL, and that CONTINUALLY." And yet you propose that men are capable of choosing good.

[bibletheology]

“Some one may ask, Can the carnal mind, which is enmity against God, change itself? I have already said that this text in the original reads, “the minding of the flesh is enmity against God.’ This minding of the flesh, then, is the choice or preference to gratify the flesh. Now it is indeed absurd to say, that a choice can change itself; but it is not absurd to say, that the agent who exercises this choice, can change it. The sinner that minds the flesh, can change his mind, and mind God”Finney

[bibletheology]

Charles Finney said, “The apostle does not affirm, that a sinner cannot love God, but that a carnal mind cannot love God; for, to affirm that a carnal mind can love God, is the same as to affirm that enmity itself can be love.”

[bibletheology]

“Jesus answered them, verily, verily, I say unto you, whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” (Jn. 8:34). Committing sin comes before being a servant of sin. A person is a servant of sin because they first choose to serve sin. You are the servant of whoever you choose to serve. “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Rom. 6:16)

[bibletheology]

God spoke to Cain after the fall of Adam as one who had the power of choice between obedience and disobedience. “And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?  and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him” (Gen. 4:6-7). Whatever the results upon all of mankind are because of Adam’s sin the loss of free will certainly are not part of it.

[shooper386]

Very good video, Jesse. God bless!

[shooper386]

Very good video, Jesse. God bless!

[shooper386]

Very good video, Jesse. God bless!

[eggrollmama]

(1) the music is a little much.

(2) it's obvious that this first video is not very compelling in light of the view count going WAY down on 2/5 and on

(3) the music is a  little much

(4) seriously, you quoted someone on facebook...wow

[jimchode]

this guy is a douche.. he was at my university today and was completely inaccurate

[stealthspoon1]

Eh good stuff Jesse! Keep on going for broke for the Kingdom!

[JREAMdesign]

I really like the quality of this video and I think Jesse M. is a very good teacher I enjoy listening to him time to time.

[foxmuldr]

666 views when I clicked on this video.

[bibletheology]

@foxmuldr

It has been stuck at 666 views for a couple hours now.... Very strange....

[foxmuldr]

I am not a Calvinist, but your argument is confusing to me. You say around 14:20 that Lucifer sinned because of his will, not because of his nature. I'm asking this question to you now for clarity, not as a positional argument of mine: How is it that Lucifer's nature didn't naturally lean toward sin? Jesus says in John 8:44 that Lucifer was a liar and a murder FROM THE START, the father of lies even. How is that not then his nature? What choice was it that set him on his eternal path? Thnx.

[bibletheology]

@foxmuldr Satan was an angel created by God. When God created everything He said it was very good. Therefore Satan was not created evil. Satan became evil of his own choice. When the Bible says Satan was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, that means that in the time of the beginning he became that way. "The beginning" is not merely the first second of creation, but the whole time period of the beginning. The fall of Adam for example occurred in the beginning.

[bibletheology]

Just like the beginning of a movie is not the first second, but maybe the first ten to fifteen minutes.

[foxmuldr]

@bibletheology there's the confusion between Calvinists and non-, because everything being created "very good" does not necessarily mean they were created to BE good, but rather that everything was created according to its intended purpose, such that if a gun were created it could be a very good gun by construction and function, even though its used for killing. The Bible uses the Hebrew word towb, which means "good in the widest sense," which doesn't have to mean "good," as in being good.

[foxmuldr]

@bibletheology Jesus also said in John 8:44 that there is no truth in him, exact verse: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." The 24 elders say in Revelation 4:11, "...thou has created ALL things...for thy pleasure." And Colossians 1:16 says "all things."

[foxmuldr]

@foxmuldr The elders were speaking around the throne in Heaven, so there would be no deceit in their lips in the presence of God. When they use the word "all things," Greek word "pas" (meaning "thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever").

[foxmuldr]

@bibletheology Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him."

These heavenly, earthly, visible, invisible, thrones, dominions and principalities... all were created by him. What else does that leave? If everything, including the principalities and "the evil principalities," then not everything? I'm asking...

[foxmuldr]

@bibletheology it seems very clear that everything here was created exactly as it has manifested itself, meaning Satan was created to be evil, and man was created with free will to choose God or not, and that God is looking for those who will seek after Him voluntarily by their own choice of will, because when you consider that everything here is going to be tossed aside, and that all things are made new in Christ, then this "proving grounds" is seen as part of God's eternal vision for Himself.

[foxmuldr]

@bibletheology anyway, that is the only way I've found to reconcile the two, that Satan actually is evil, was created to be so, because God is looking for a family, those who are by their choice of will, their purposeful intents, seeking after Him truly when He calls, for it is only truly those who are His children, those who seek after Him with great diligence in this world, forsaking other things solely because of Him, who He is, what He's done, and what He's promised. Peace.

[saudertim1]

Great series all the way through.

[soundjoel2alarm]

Excellent Work!

[fenoglios]

Really nice vid. Thanks. 

[WISDOMSERCH]

Great job Jesse on these videos!! 

[bibletheology]

I recommend watching in High Definition

[foxmuldr]

@bibletheology "I recommend watching in High Definition" ... why?

[o0lBobl0o]

To have true sons God would need to create Man to have his own mind and make his own decisions. Only though having a choice can you choose. He wants very much for us all to choose rightly, but as with all things in nature many seeds are scattered, but only a few find good ground.