Gal 4:4 does NOT say Jesus was "born under the Law" it says He was "made under the Law" the same way He was "made a curse" for us in Gal 3:13 which uses the same Greek word.
Paul defines Under the Law as being GUILTY in Rom 3:19
To be Under the Law = Under the Curse of the Law (see Gal 3:10, 13, 22-23; 4:4-5)
The ENTIRE Bible is in agreeance that God's Law is forever, and that those who Love God Obey His ENTIRE Law. That is the New Covenant (I will write My Law on their hearts, etc).
Paul says a few things that are a little tricky to understand, and the whole "church" throws out God's Law. But what should we expect, Paul warned us that the spirit of Lawlessness was at work in the church even in his day.
It is more than Paul's jutterbug dance with the Law. Rev 2 Yahshua says he hates those who preach the doctrine of Balaam. It also has something to say about those calling themselves Apostles, when they are not. Paul calls himself Father, and the comforter, a Master, all things Yahshua forbade. He curses people, not just a few, anyone who doubts him. And Yahshua forbade that too. Paul never saw Yahshua in the desert, Satan maybe. Serpent scales on the eyes.....
The language Paul wrote in had words for 'the', 'death', & 'penalty', so I am of the opinion that if Paul wanted to convey that we we not under "the death penalty", he would have written just that, as in the Galatians quote above.
@preachinshawn - Ok, I'd have to disagree though, but that's ok. I'm still searching. Peter says people in his time were misunderstanding him then, moreso now. Paul speaks as if we know what he knows and we dont!
Godd Job Shawn, Remeber Tora is H#8451, Yarah H#3384, lamad H#3925 Torah is like gental instruction aimimg toward the goal. as we would instrust a child slowing teaching them day by day in discipleship.
You quoted Romans 6:14 to show that there is an apparent contradiction - but read the very next verse, Rom. 6:15. What we find that is that those who have received grace (our pardon) can continue to sin. Because we have recieved grace does not give us license to continue in sin (breaking the law). To this Paul emphatically states "God forbid" or "Certainly not" depending on one's translation.
@ 5:7 you said that those who have accepted Christ are severed from the law of Moses. This cannot be so for we read in 1 John 2:7 that the commandments are the same ones as "from the beginning". We are severed from the condemnation of the law.
To illustrate: Lets say you commited a crime and were brought before a judge. Upon entering the courtroom you are "under the law". But the judge grants you a pardon (grace); you walk free no longer under the condemnation of the law. But did the judge abolish the law itself? No. The law still stands and if you violate it again you place yourself back under the law.
Only by understanding the context of the passage can we understand the varied meaning of the phrase "under the law" when its used
In short, Paul's apparent contradictions can easily be harmonized if we understand one rule: If Paul is speaking about keeping the law as a means of salvation (justification) he condemns the law for it was never the law's purpose to justify anyone. When Paul is speaking about sanctification (Christian conduct and moral standards) he upholds and defends the Law. The division Paul makes is not between the laws of Moses and God but jutification and sanctification - the two aspects of salvation.
I don't want to add anything to Gods word, and it says "you are no longer under the law". I believe if God wanted to convey that the saints are no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the law, he would have said just that like he did in
Galatians 3:13. I always viewed "the division" of Romans as being works and faith. I certainly would not divide the law of Moses from God since that is HIS law.
Well, if "grace" means that we are no longer under the "condemnation of sin" (forgiven) then in contrast, just as in the passage in question, being "under the law" must be speaking in the same context of condemnation. As such, I am not adding to God's Word, only revealing it by using today's venacular.
Gal 4:4 does NOT say Jesus was "born under the Law" it says He was "made under the Law" the same way He was "made a curse" for us in Gal 3:13 which uses the same Greek word.
Paul defines Under the Law as being GUILTY in Rom 3:19
aspiring2slavery 3 weeks ago
aspiring2slavery
You are correct that 'made' is a more accurate translation than 'born'. Thanks for correcting me on that.
I believe there is only one meaning for the phrase 'under the law', and I discuss that in my video called:
Under the law - Examining it's uses
preachinshawn 2 weeks ago
To be Under the Law = Under the Curse of the Law (see Gal 3:10, 13, 22-23; 4:4-5)
The ENTIRE Bible is in agreeance that God's Law is forever, and that those who Love God Obey His ENTIRE Law. That is the New Covenant (I will write My Law on their hearts, etc).
Paul says a few things that are a little tricky to understand, and the whole "church" throws out God's Law. But what should we expect, Paul warned us that the spirit of Lawlessness was at work in the church even in his day.
ChristusVlCTOR 6 months ago
Jesus said the law would not pass away until all be fulfilled. Jesus on the Cross: "It is finished." Any questions?
Rogueoftroy 11 months ago
Rogueoftroy
I agree that the saints are not under the law.
I do have a different understanding of what ALL is when Jesus said "till all is fulfilled."
Check out my video:
Matthew 5:17-20 - Transforming hearts through the law.
preachinshawn 11 months ago
It is more than Paul's jutterbug dance with the Law. Rev 2 Yahshua says he hates those who preach the doctrine of Balaam. It also has something to say about those calling themselves Apostles, when they are not. Paul calls himself Father, and the comforter, a Master, all things Yahshua forbade. He curses people, not just a few, anyone who doubts him. And Yahshua forbade that too. Paul never saw Yahshua in the desert, Satan maybe. Serpent scales on the eyes.....
handydude6 1 year ago
'under the law' could mean, 'under the death penalty' for breaking etc rather than 'obligation to keep', unsure.
sparkshot 1 year ago
sparkshot
Galatians 3:13 reads:
"Christ redeemed us from THE CURSE of the law..."
The language Paul wrote in had words for 'the', 'death', & 'penalty', so I am of the opinion that if Paul wanted to convey that we we not under "the death penalty", he would have written just that, as in the Galatians quote above.
preachinshawn 1 year ago
@preachinshawn - Ok, I'd have to disagree though, but that's ok. I'm still searching. Peter says people in his time were misunderstanding him then, moreso now. Paul speaks as if we know what he knows and we dont!
sparkshot 1 year ago
Wow! Praise God, for the annointing, you are right on point with your ministry.
Godz1Chozen 2 years ago
Thanks, I try not to let my preconceptions get in the way of understanding Gods word. Pray that God would make me humble.
preachinshawn 2 years ago
Godd Job Shawn, Remeber Tora is H#8451, Yarah H#3384, lamad H#3925 Torah is like gental instruction aimimg toward the goal. as we would instrust a child slowing teaching them day by day in discipleship.
paulgem123 2 years ago
You've made a very good video here, Shawn.
Allow me to point out a couple of things however:
You quoted Romans 6:14 to show that there is an apparent contradiction - but read the very next verse, Rom. 6:15. What we find that is that those who have received grace (our pardon) can continue to sin. Because we have recieved grace does not give us license to continue in sin (breaking the law). To this Paul emphatically states "God forbid" or "Certainly not" depending on one's translation.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
@ 5:7 you said that those who have accepted Christ are severed from the law of Moses. This cannot be so for we read in 1 John 2:7 that the commandments are the same ones as "from the beginning". We are severed from the condemnation of the law.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
To illustrate: Lets say you commited a crime and were brought before a judge. Upon entering the courtroom you are "under the law". But the judge grants you a pardon (grace); you walk free no longer under the condemnation of the law. But did the judge abolish the law itself? No. The law still stands and if you violate it again you place yourself back under the law.
Only by understanding the context of the passage can we understand the varied meaning of the phrase "under the law" when its used
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
In short, Paul's apparent contradictions can easily be harmonized if we understand one rule: If Paul is speaking about keeping the law as a means of salvation (justification) he condemns the law for it was never the law's purpose to justify anyone. When Paul is speaking about sanctification (Christian conduct and moral standards) he upholds and defends the Law. The division Paul makes is not between the laws of Moses and God but jutification and sanctification - the two aspects of salvation.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
I don't want to add anything to Gods word, and it says "you are no longer under the law". I believe if God wanted to convey that the saints are no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the law, he would have said just that like he did in
Galatians 3:13. I always viewed "the division" of Romans as being works and faith. I certainly would not divide the law of Moses from God since that is HIS law.
preachinshawn 2 years ago
Well, if "grace" means that we are no longer under the "condemnation of sin" (forgiven) then in contrast, just as in the passage in question, being "under the law" must be speaking in the same context of condemnation. As such, I am not adding to God's Word, only revealing it by using today's venacular.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
I agree we should not use our liberty to engage in sin.
preachinshawn 2 years ago