The funny part is that even the evangelical Protestants such as King Edward VI (Elizabeth's half-brother) and Lady Jane Grey (her cousin, who tried to oust both Mary and Elizabeth from the succession) saw Elizabeth as illegitimate and thus not qualified to rule. Remember, Elizabeth was conceived out of wedlock, and since unborn babies were treated as full human beings, this made her just as much of a bastard as a post-utero child born out of wedlock. Evangelicals did regard Mary as legitimate.
elizabeth is my heart of strength hey get off the thousands she slaughtered hey catholics did so much child abuse it is so overwhelming now you tell me this dont say before you leapppp as a toad
That is just about the stupidest response I have ever seen. By the way, learn how to construct a sentence at an eighth grade level before you issue any posts.
@dewhite001 She did...she wrote Elizabeth to make a choice, either to be married off or to stay in England. She chose to remain in her homeland. As the future heir, it was a difficult, but genius decision, for Elizabeth could rule herself and not with a foolish husband like Mary did. Mary also faced reality and she knew she was dying from cancer and that the only obvious choice to succeed her was Elizabeth.
Fun fact for everyone here who obviously knows nothing about history. Elizabeth killed more people than Mary. So did Edward. I'm not denying she was a good queen, but just remember that the winners write history. England was CATHOLIC for hundreds of years before her father changed it so he could get a new wife.
@PrincessMioneKag Yeah, but Elizabeth reigned 40 years, Mary only 5. In that short time Mary Killed a great deal of Protestants considering her short reign.
As in Russia, Peter the GREAT and Catherine the GREAT murdered far more Russians than Ivan the TERRIBLE ever could have done, but of course, they had the right propagandists working for them.
I think you're right. This is what makes history such a hard science, right? The laws of physics or the atoms don't have propagandists working for them for the sake of political interests.....but history deals with humans. Actually, talking about Mary, for example, in the series The Tudors, they actually portray her as a good girl, neglected by her father, putting up with a lot of loneliness and a bitchy, sick Anne Boleyn. It's funny to see that and then watch this movie.
By the way, I like you because you know how to look at both sides of one situation and you don't get offended if people debate your point of view. That tells me you're really smart. Plus, you like history just like me, you actually like to analyze it, instead of seeing it as a stupid list of data you have to memorize, and that's also hard to find. If you feel particular interest for the Sumerian culture or the Dark Ages, damn, I would like you 10 times more hehe.....
wow! walsingham was a real son a bitch, a cold-blooded killer. In a strange war, I admire him. And Geoffrey Rush does a terrific job with this character!
The impious and heretical whore of the hordes of Satan, the red-haired slut who revelled in the rack and the gory scaffold, the bastard daughter of the bloated and deranged syphillitic tyrrant Henry, who gladly damned his country rather than moderate his beastly lusts, there is your "Virgin Queen", your "feminist monarch". The only thing this untamed heifer was liberal in was monopolies in the New World and subsidies to her piratical lovers, executions and tortures of entire families.
@rachiekins2391 well, actually in this time period, no one married for love, marriage was more like a business deal, so thats why King Philip of Spain wanted to leave Mary and marry Elizabeth, so that he could still be the king of England, not because he loved either one. And Mary did successfully turn England to Catholicism, and murdered everyone who was Protestant, which is how Mary got the nickname "Bloody Mary". Thats why the three Protestants at the beginning were burned at the stake.
The part where Mary is crying... you can just see the anguish on her face. She isn't pregnant. Her mother is dead, and she cannot avenge the injustice done to her if she dies childless. Her husband doesn't love her. She couldn't convert England back to Catholicism. It's all falling apart for her. Everything she suffered until that point has been completely in vain.
@rachiekins2391 Precisely. People are so quick to look upon her as evil that they don't see the suffering she underwent. The abuse of her father and that whore Boleyn, the loss of her mother, the constant threat of death for her faith. This scene gets me, we feel such compassion for elizabeth, yet mary went through all but the same for her Catholicism. And Elizabeth was indeed a plotter, and in her reign murdered just as many, covering it as traitors rather than heretics.
@lawrence5584 You misunderstood my comment. I do think that Mary did treacherous things, and I am a huge fan of Anne Boleyn and an even bigger fan of her daughter, Elizabeth. I sympathize with Mary, though. I disagree that Anne was a whore (there is no evidence) and Elizabeth did not go through what she went through for her faith. She went through it for the crown. Henry didn't "abuse" Mary. He was unfair to her. He DID abuse Catherine. I feel so very sorry for her, too.
Queen Mary & Queen Elizabeth were both very complicated. Agreed that Bloody Mary didn't do the right things during her rule but she was much more well respected during her early days than her sister Queen Elizabeth! Whatever the monarch was i still believe that history repeats itself.
@blackbird107 Of course, I would never condone such atrocity for ANY reason, I'm simply saying that most movies demonize Mary and exault Elizabeth. Both of them were very complex, flawed and interesting people. That's what makes history so fascinating.
@halcyonseraphim Yes Elizabeth was flawed but the reason why they handle Mary this way is to show how the battle between Protestants & Catholics happened. I mean Henry VIII burned thousands alive too Protestant & Chatholics alike. We just remember him for his wives but he was even worse then Mary in ways. Elizabeth was the only one of her family that tried to find a middle ground and save both religions, that is why she is exalted in this movie and in religious history.
you can't deny the fact that despite what history or television portrays mary must have loved her sister bc in reality she could have had her killed at any point and time if she wanted
Elizabeth I is one of my favorite monarchs in history. She was beautiful and smart. She ruled alone and she didn't even need a husband. But I bet she had sex when she was in her early 20s. She may have had people killed and punished, but not for their religion, only if they committed a crime. And she defeated the Spanish Armada (the best army in Europe at the time). How cool is Elizabeth? I greatly admire her.
@chloebella17 This is a MOVIE! Have you read any historical biographies of the life of Eliz. I? It's not that she didn't "need" a husband. Marriage among monarchs was primarily to strengthen political alliances. Although Queen, the monarch was not strictly free to do as she wished. True, her reign ushered in Britain's Golden Age, but to boil that sweep of historical events into calling it "cool"? Unfortunate.
@chloebella17 If you watch the documentary on the Spanish Armada, she killed half her own sailors and seamen so she didn't have to pay them because she thought half of them should of died in the battle, not 100. She was a wicked heartless woman who killed her own heroes.
@34RiverStone It is known by historians that the reason she was named 'The Virgin Queen' was because she never married nor did she have a child. They believe very strongly that she was sexually active. As do I... Everyone has their own theories and opinions.
@BeccaHeartsRainbows look, just because it's hard to believe in today's sex-obsessed society that anyone could be a virgin their entire life doesn't mean it wasn't possible. You know pple did have some dignity back then! And their is NO proof that she ever did anything like that. How can anyone possibly know that anyways? no one knows! that is an assumption. Unless there is some proof about the whole thing that I am not yet aware of. But everyone does have theirown op.
@34RiverStone lol there's no need to go into defense mode. As you rightly pointed out everyone does have their own opinions. I've studied Queen Elizabeth for many years now, she's also one of my idols. I look up to her. I personally believe that she was sexually active, you also have no proof that she wasn't. They are just theories. Virgin Queen because she never had sex, or Virgin Queen because she never got married and produced an heir.. We all have our own minds :)
First of all, over 4,000 Catholics (3,000 in Ireland, half of them women and children) were slaughtered for what you would call criminal reasons? Monasteries, the only places that fed and clothed the poor after Liz enacted a series of anti-poor laws, were demolished and the monks tortured to death? Jews forbidden to own shops or stores under Liz? Except for the Armada, the English lost every naval battle against Spain during Liz's reign? Propagandists write history, honey.
have any of you actually seen a portrait painting of mary at this age? she WAS ugly, you can see in the painting by the look of her eyes what a cruel twisted cold hearted bitter woman she was they did not call her "bloody mary" for nothing never was or has there been such a murdering monarch, she burned more people than anyone!
mary tudor looks so effing old and ugly... she looks old enough to be a fussy old grandmother. i am pretty damn sure that as a princess and as the Queen of England, she would NEVER go around looking like that. And I am pretty sure she wasn't born that ugly and she wasn't THAT old when she was Queen. And she was like her mother too. She was composed and gentle, even if she went a little insane in the end, she was not that flustered.
@Maneater1984 Many, many portraits dated from the tudor era are considered 'ugly' now, because the painter decided to depict them like that. Dont treat them like photographs...it was well documented about both mary's and elizabeth's beauty.
Mary Tudor by this time had lost her looks and most of her teeth. For proof, there is a portrait by Antonis Mor, commissioned by her husband, featured on Wikipedia.
Based on historical evidence, Mary Tudor didn't become y'know...crazy...until she ascended to the throne. I really don't care for how she is portrayed in popular media (I did like The Tudors, though.)
i read a book on mary tudor she was sweet as ever as a child but being abandonded by her father caused her to be... weird her mother also made her the way she was by making her belive she could be queen when she knew a bastered child coud not...anyway mary turned into a real biotch bloody mary :) i dont realy blame the parents they tried there...best in a way lol i admire elizabeths courage and strength and realy dont blame her for not getting married lol long live Queen elizabeth :)
i read a book on mary tudor she was sweet as ever as a child but being abandonded by her father caused her to be... weird her mother also made her the way she was by making her belive she could be queen when she knew a bastered child coud not...anyway mary turned into a real biotch bloody mary
Mary is known as 'Bloody Mary' for a very good reason. I'd have some sympathy for the woman if she hadn't become a monster. There's nothing sad in her story for me, only bitterness and malice born of a poisonous meme and a despotic father.
@Pooknottin I am not a catholic, i am a history major though and i can say with pretty good accuracy that it was greatly exaggerated how many protestants were actually killed under her reign it was only in hundreds not the thousands that most claim
@demigod2324 Well that's a relief, so she only had a few hundred people slaughtered for having a differing approach to worship? Why not saint her then? :p
@Pooknottin god no she was still a monster i was just saying that it was historical propaganda against the church(i am a protestant i STRONGLY dislike the catholic church)
@Pooknottin i so agree with you, religion is not practiced with the head or mere oath said with the mouth,but must be accepted wholly with the heart. killing and torturing is not gonna make people accept catholicism she must convinced them.
the reason why Elizabeth never married is because of want happened to her mother and what happen to her father's other wives also Elizabeth wasnt called princess she was called Lady Elizabeth before he became queen
The one thing I really hate about this movie is that they portrayed Mary Tudor as such an ugly, insecure bitch. She was said to have ben beautiful in her youth, and being brought up a princess, a daughter of Katherine of Aragon, she wold never have acted like this. Another thing - the people loved Mary, until she began buring people at the stake.
@SportHorse10 well this movie shows Mary at her worst time, near her death and in very poor health. The woman who plays the part is not ugly ,she is portrayed as such
Of course not everyone! Elizabeth didn't need a man. Oh bullshit. She did have a husband. Becuase she did not get married means nothing. You all need to get a grip. You didn't need a man, yet, you still ride thier cocks. Don't need men my ass. Elizabeth was a great Queen becuase she did not let religion and personal gain fuel her conscience. Plus, Henry VIII was her father.
Queen Mary was never as bad as people made her out to be. If so she would of had Elizabeth executed by false allegation and had a Catholic upon the throne. But she never did. Says something does it not? But I do agree with beckibooheer, Queen Mary was a woman of great power, pride and intelligence. To make her sound that common and frail was a silly idea.
Queen Mary was never as bad as people made her out to be. If so she would of had Elizabeth executed by false allegation and had a Catholic upon the throne. But she never did. Says something does it not? But I do agree with beckibooheer, Queen Mar was a woman of great power, pride and intelligence. To make her sound that common and frail was a silly idea.
@BeccaHeartsRainbows she did plan to have Elizabeth executed however her husband told her if she did so he would not marry her and come to England, because the country would be unsafe for him. He was already disliked by Mary subjects because she was marrying a foreigner, and disliked by protestants because he was a Catholic.
i think the boy their who tried to kill the man is jonathan rhys-meyers when he was still young. hey i just thought of it since they both have the same eyes.
Mary Tudor has one of the saddest stories. Branded a bastard by her father and forced to serve the sister that usurped her place as a proud young woman. When she finally gets the throne, she of course, tries to convert an unwilling England back to Cathocism. And the husband she loved abandons her and the child she wanted is no child at all. Very sad.
@halcyonseraphim Yes Mary's story is sad but many of the things that happened to Mary happened to Elizabeth too. They were both branded bastards by both their father and later their brother. The first doing it for the sake of a new love and child and the second for religious reasons. But while I can feel sorry for her about that I cannot feel sorry for her about her vendetta to convert England back to Catholicism. Why would we feel bad for her because she burned people alive?
@myRincon History is overwhelmingly and unfairly weighed against Queen Mary I.
Mary did not slaughter thousands of protestants, but an estimated 284. Her father on the other hand is estimated to have been responsible for over 57,000 deaths, although many historians argue the figure was much higher.
Unlike Henry however, Mary was in a poor mental state and she was manipulated by her courtiers and her unloving-husband.
@myRincon she killed 287 Protestants to be exact. The saddest story is that this villainous myth surrounding Mary has transcended from the Protestant propaganda from Elizabeth's time and is still marinating in Britain today. Revisionist history has shown that is actually isn't the tyrant once thought. Check your facts before you write such hyperboles.
The entire group consisting of the Tudor Family, their friends, circles; That entire scene dropped like a ton of bricks. Flat on their faces. Elizabeth I fared well only because she was innocent, and not akin to their clandestine operations.
Queen Elizabeth I defines the modern woman before anything modern ever existed. She didn't need a man by her side. She didn't marry so that a man could rule and she just step aside. She took charge.
Uh, it is seriously annoying to see Mary Tudor betrayed as so ugly. She was said to be a great beauty in her childhood and although not a match for Elizabeth in the time she was queen, she was never said to be ugly! Ever. She was also not said to say such things to Elizabeth.
And it is horrible to hear Mary with such a common accent and acting so emotional when she was queen of England, trained in the ways to keep herself in check. I'm a little disappointed to be honest.
It's a movie method my teacher told me, it's to make Elizabeth more 'likeable' and more 'appealing' to the audience eyes. Besides is everything in history true? I do agree however, she was never said to be ugly.
@beckibooheer Finally! Someone who knows their history in regards to Mary I of England. I too am disappointed with the portrayal of Mary in the film. Have you see the Showtime series The Tudors? There, Mary is shown in her truest representation.
@beckibooheer She may not have been ugly when she was younger but as she got older, she was said to have looked much older than she actually was and that her husband couldn't stand to be around her. She also had a diseased wound (or belly) and is believe to be the result of dropsy.
@beckibooheer I am quite certain she was beautiful in her childhood and early years but from what I have read about her she became frail and bitter as she aged.Furthermore I do believe there is a reason she was known as Bloody Mary.
@beckibooheer Yes, I agree with you. Mary must deffinately would have never behaved in such way, much less with someone present, her pain was carried with dignitty and to herself and only herself.
Mary, might have thought something of the sort some times, but I believe she was way above to being to cruel to Elizabeth. She was an intelligent woman, too inteligent to blame her sister over whatever hed mother had done.
Seeing her denigrated like this is really painfull... poor Mary
@teenelf Dignity? Mary had Elizabeth arrested & put in the same tower & room her mom was imprisoned in before she was killed. Now is that a way to carry ones pain in a dignified manner, i think not. She was called Bloody Mary for a reason. Mary planned to have Elizabeth killed before her husband Philip told her he would not marry her if she did because England would be unsafe for him,because he was disliked by the British for being a foreigner & disliked by protestants for being Catholic.
@nexne92 by the time Elizabeth was taken to the Tower, Mary was already wife of Philip. And besides, it was Mary's choice not to kill Elizabeth because she remembered her as a child. It would have been very wise of Mary to kill her sister and choose a catholic heir, her advisers told her to do so. She was called Bloody Mary by the protestants, becaushe tried to turn England back to catholicism and burned a lot of people, but then again, Elizabeth beheaded a lot of people too, even her oun cousin
@beckibooheer I know, I really don't like this clearly biased and untrue portrayal. Moreover, you almost get the impression that Mary is insane, which was not the case.
@beckibooheer i agree, and i think it's a combinashon of the writers and the cast directers foults, if they had found a good actriss they probly would'nt have had to have such a transpairant vilan. as it is how being ugly is just a way for the audians to know off the bat that she'sthe bad guy.
p.s i've never thougt that the actress that plays Elizabeth was beautiful nor ugly to me she has rarely seen tip plain face.if youput on mackup she'sa beauty (like in LOTR ) if not she is an enigma .
@beckibooheer beauty and welth were the same thing back then, the richer you were, the more they would praise you with words like beauty. So we can't be sure of anything when it comes to that..
As a Greek Orthodox Christian who also venerates the Mother of God, I truly take issue with the almost comical references to her throughout this movie. The door depicting her breast feeding the Christ child would never have been allowed in a Renaissance court due to its graphic nature, but the end of the movie particularly offends me. Elizabeth proclaims herself as the "new Mary" for a Protestant England, good Lord, spare us! And the scene where she spits out the sanctified Host is the worst.
@lillygmail yeahh in the series I think elizbath was so ugly with weird ass stick hair and nothinh alike anne boleyn I mean atleast they couldve picked a girl who kinda looked like the actress who played anne boleyn LOL or the beauty LOL
@ToriiiaaaX Back in the day, the portraits royals and aristocrats had painted of themselves were designed to portray them as more attractive than they really were. Apparently, Henry VIII learned this unpleasant lesson the hard way, when he proposed to an ugly woman (I forget which wife) after seeing only her portrait.
@neosoc well if thats true that they were painted prettier than what they really looked than they were REALLLY fuxking UGLYYYYY! I mean have you seen those ugly ass portraits??? EW!
@punketa32 yeah..lol..but I htink that Mary and Elizabeth were very pretty in real life.. because I read the History of Henry and it says ,he was very handsome.but we dont know jejeje
@Seijakushii she upset is because her husband as leaved her and also the baby she thought she had turn out to be a tumor and so she will die knowing that her sister will be queen
@kikyosan543 if she was to ever marry she would have had to share her power with a man which was extremely unpopular in Mary I's reign. she learned from Mary's misktake and made it a point to never marry and thus have children, even though it could be speculated that she had sex in her reign
@kikyosan543 she wasn't able. i have a book about the tudor monarchy and some historians believe that she was biologically unable i guess, barren would be the rude way to put it
Instead of coming on here and debating the ethnic origin of the english, who as you claim are "not truly enlish" sort out the ethnic diversity of your own irish people who I'm sure you think are "pure" like most irish do. being of irish ancestry myself it amazes me how narrow minded and hypocritical the irish can be. NO humen being is pure.
I never get tired of this film. I've watched it over and over - over the years. The settings, the cinematography. And perhaps mostly your wonderful English language . As an American i marvel in the beauty of true well spoken English. We Yanks stumble thru it like wounded retarded dogs compared to the best English speakers whom from what i've heard , only come from the source. Hearing pure English spoken by educated English people is like i'm a spray can artist watching Michelangelo - love
@robi2000 In the former Soviet Union, when learning English, I did not know American English even existed. Boy, was I in for a shock when I moved here.
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chevyss67222 6 days ago
The funny part is that even the evangelical Protestants such as King Edward VI (Elizabeth's half-brother) and Lady Jane Grey (her cousin, who tried to oust both Mary and Elizabeth from the succession) saw Elizabeth as illegitimate and thus not qualified to rule. Remember, Elizabeth was conceived out of wedlock, and since unborn babies were treated as full human beings, this made her just as much of a bastard as a post-utero child born out of wedlock. Evangelicals did regard Mary as legitimate.
telamon2011 1 week ago
elizabeth is my heart of strength hey get off the thousands she slaughtered hey catholics did so much child abuse it is so overwhelming now you tell me this dont say before you leapppp as a toad
chevyss67222 1 week ago
@chevyss67222
That is just about the stupidest response I have ever seen. By the way, learn how to construct a sentence at an eighth grade level before you issue any posts.
telamon2011 1 week ago
@telamon2011 what the f do you know i bet you flunked history dont think you know it all mr. want to be teacher get out of here huh..
chevyss67222 1 week ago
"I see you are still a consummate actress." LMAO
ThePharaoho 1 week ago
Does anyone know why Mary never tried to marry Elizabeth off? Or was it a King's duty?
dewhite001 2 weeks ago
@dewhite001 She did...she wrote Elizabeth to make a choice, either to be married off or to stay in England. She chose to remain in her homeland. As the future heir, it was a difficult, but genius decision, for Elizabeth could rule herself and not with a foolish husband like Mary did. Mary also faced reality and she knew she was dying from cancer and that the only obvious choice to succeed her was Elizabeth.
ThePharaoho 1 week ago
Fun fact for everyone here who obviously knows nothing about history. Elizabeth killed more people than Mary. So did Edward. I'm not denying she was a good queen, but just remember that the winners write history. England was CATHOLIC for hundreds of years before her father changed it so he could get a new wife.
PrincessMioneKag 2 weeks ago 2
@PrincessMioneKag Yeah, but Elizabeth reigned 40 years, Mary only 5. In that short time Mary Killed a great deal of Protestants considering her short reign.
ThePharaoho 1 week ago
@ThePharaoho
Nope. 300 Protestants in five years (an average of 60 per year) versus 4,000 Catholics in a forty five year reign, about 100 per year for Liz.
telamon2011 1 week ago
@PrincessMioneKag what you say is so true, and yet, it is also true that Elizabeth I was loved because she made England a superpower.
itzaramaja 1 week ago
@itzaramaja
As in Russia, Peter the GREAT and Catherine the GREAT murdered far more Russians than Ivan the TERRIBLE ever could have done, but of course, they had the right propagandists working for them.
telamon2011 1 week ago
I think you're right. This is what makes history such a hard science, right? The laws of physics or the atoms don't have propagandists working for them for the sake of political interests.....but history deals with humans. Actually, talking about Mary, for example, in the series The Tudors, they actually portray her as a good girl, neglected by her father, putting up with a lot of loneliness and a bitchy, sick Anne Boleyn. It's funny to see that and then watch this movie.
itzaramaja 1 week ago
By the way, I like you because you know how to look at both sides of one situation and you don't get offended if people debate your point of view. That tells me you're really smart. Plus, you like history just like me, you actually like to analyze it, instead of seeing it as a stupid list of data you have to memorize, and that's also hard to find. If you feel particular interest for the Sumerian culture or the Dark Ages, damn, I would like you 10 times more hehe.....
itzaramaja 1 week ago
TIS WATSON!!!!!!
WeaslysWizardWeezes 3 weeks ago
when the dude sliced his neck i yelled i called that i knew that was going to happen
littleangel7900 3 weeks ago
@chloebella17 i agree with you i love elizabeth but she was called the Virgin Queen for a reason
littleangel7900 3 weeks ago
this scene only shows us how pathetically old the insult 'whore' is. it's time for society o move on from the trditional views.
hot6235 2 months ago
wow! walsingham was a real son a bitch, a cold-blooded killer. In a strange war, I admire him. And Geoffrey Rush does a terrific job with this character!
itzaramaja 2 months ago
@itzaramaja Walsingham was the greatest protector of the State there was and there ever will be.
ThePharaoho 1 week ago
The impious and heretical whore of the hordes of Satan, the red-haired slut who revelled in the rack and the gory scaffold, the bastard daughter of the bloated and deranged syphillitic tyrrant Henry, who gladly damned his country rather than moderate his beastly lusts, there is your "Virgin Queen", your "feminist monarch". The only thing this untamed heifer was liberal in was monopolies in the New World and subsidies to her piratical lovers, executions and tortures of entire families.
FatherFilipic 2 months ago 3
Barbossa, yo what up man!
cloudgirl150 3 months ago 4
@rachiekins2391 well, actually in this time period, no one married for love, marriage was more like a business deal, so thats why King Philip of Spain wanted to leave Mary and marry Elizabeth, so that he could still be the king of England, not because he loved either one. And Mary did successfully turn England to Catholicism, and murdered everyone who was Protestant, which is how Mary got the nickname "Bloody Mary". Thats why the three Protestants at the beginning were burned at the stake.
StillHasRandom 3 months ago
Barbosa !
mysteriousthings1 3 months ago
The part where Mary is crying... you can just see the anguish on her face. She isn't pregnant. Her mother is dead, and she cannot avenge the injustice done to her if she dies childless. Her husband doesn't love her. She couldn't convert England back to Catholicism. It's all falling apart for her. Everything she suffered until that point has been completely in vain.
rachiekins2391 4 months ago 6
@rachiekins2391 Precisely. People are so quick to look upon her as evil that they don't see the suffering she underwent. The abuse of her father and that whore Boleyn, the loss of her mother, the constant threat of death for her faith. This scene gets me, we feel such compassion for elizabeth, yet mary went through all but the same for her Catholicism. And Elizabeth was indeed a plotter, and in her reign murdered just as many, covering it as traitors rather than heretics.
lawrence5584 2 months ago
@lawrence5584 You misunderstood my comment. I do think that Mary did treacherous things, and I am a huge fan of Anne Boleyn and an even bigger fan of her daughter, Elizabeth. I sympathize with Mary, though. I disagree that Anne was a whore (there is no evidence) and Elizabeth did not go through what she went through for her faith. She went through it for the crown. Henry didn't "abuse" Mary. He was unfair to her. He DID abuse Catherine. I feel so very sorry for her, too.
rachiekins2391 2 months ago
Captain Barbosa!
AndyEast93 4 months ago 3
When I was little I wanted to be a princess..... not so much anymore.
33rosyposy 5 months ago
Queen Mary & Queen Elizabeth were both very complicated. Agreed that Bloody Mary didn't do the right things during her rule but she was much more well respected during her early days than her sister Queen Elizabeth! Whatever the monarch was i still believe that history repeats itself.
ratnasoundarya 5 months ago
Elizabeth is locked up with her friends. That's prison?
pinkjuicy82 5 months ago
I had no idea this was written by Micheal Hirst!
GenieJackman 5 months ago
@blackbird107 Of course, I would never condone such atrocity for ANY reason, I'm simply saying that most movies demonize Mary and exault Elizabeth. Both of them were very complex, flawed and interesting people. That's what makes history so fascinating.
halcyonseraphim 5 months ago
@halcyonseraphim Yes Elizabeth was flawed but the reason why they handle Mary this way is to show how the battle between Protestants & Catholics happened. I mean Henry VIII burned thousands alive too Protestant & Chatholics alike. We just remember him for his wives but he was even worse then Mary in ways. Elizabeth was the only one of her family that tried to find a middle ground and save both religions, that is why she is exalted in this movie and in religious history.
blackbird107 4 months ago
you can't deny the fact that despite what history or television portrays mary must have loved her sister bc in reality she could have had her killed at any point and time if she wanted
Ppdl121 6 months ago
Elizabeth I is one of my favorite monarchs in history. She was beautiful and smart. She ruled alone and she didn't even need a husband. But I bet she had sex when she was in her early 20s. She may have had people killed and punished, but not for their religion, only if they committed a crime. And she defeated the Spanish Armada (the best army in Europe at the time). How cool is Elizabeth? I greatly admire her.
chloebella17 6 months ago 62
@chloebella17 she is my hero in history original girl power :))
Meggie3000 6 months ago 2
@chloebella17 This is a MOVIE! Have you read any historical biographies of the life of Eliz. I? It's not that she didn't "need" a husband. Marriage among monarchs was primarily to strengthen political alliances. Although Queen, the monarch was not strictly free to do as she wished. True, her reign ushered in Britain's Golden Age, but to boil that sweep of historical events into calling it "cool"? Unfortunate.
jonwiley 5 months ago
@chloebella17 If you watch the documentary on the Spanish Armada, she killed half her own sailors and seamen so she didn't have to pay them because she thought half of them should of died in the battle, not 100. She was a wicked heartless woman who killed her own heroes.
Graham6762 4 months ago
@chloebella17 as an american i like her too
pressbox1492 4 months ago
@chloebella17 excuse me, there is a reason she is called the VIRGIN Queen. And she died childless.
34RiverStone 2 months ago
@34RiverStone It is known by historians that the reason she was named 'The Virgin Queen' was because she never married nor did she have a child. They believe very strongly that she was sexually active. As do I... Everyone has their own theories and opinions.
BeccaHeartsRainbows 2 months ago
@BeccaHeartsRainbows look, just because it's hard to believe in today's sex-obsessed society that anyone could be a virgin their entire life doesn't mean it wasn't possible. You know pple did have some dignity back then! And their is NO proof that she ever did anything like that. How can anyone possibly know that anyways? no one knows! that is an assumption. Unless there is some proof about the whole thing that I am not yet aware of. But everyone does have theirown op.
34RiverStone 1 month ago
@34RiverStone lol there's no need to go into defense mode. As you rightly pointed out everyone does have their own opinions. I've studied Queen Elizabeth for many years now, she's also one of my idols. I look up to her. I personally believe that she was sexually active, you also have no proof that she wasn't. They are just theories. Virgin Queen because she never had sex, or Virgin Queen because she never got married and produced an heir.. We all have our own minds :)
BeccaHeartsRainbows 1 month ago
@chloebella17
First of all, over 4,000 Catholics (3,000 in Ireland, half of them women and children) were slaughtered for what you would call criminal reasons? Monasteries, the only places that fed and clothed the poor after Liz enacted a series of anti-poor laws, were demolished and the monks tortured to death? Jews forbidden to own shops or stores under Liz? Except for the Armada, the English lost every naval battle against Spain during Liz's reign? Propagandists write history, honey.
telamon2011 1 week ago
Who is Elizabeth ?
inuyasha95490 6 months ago
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KDVx3 6 months ago
have any of you actually seen a portrait painting of mary at this age? she WAS ugly, you can see in the painting by the look of her eyes what a cruel twisted cold hearted bitter woman she was they did not call her "bloody mary" for nothing never was or has there been such a murdering monarch, she burned more people than anyone!
SuperSososexy 7 months ago
mary tudor looks so effing old and ugly... she looks old enough to be a fussy old grandmother. i am pretty damn sure that as a princess and as the Queen of England, she would NEVER go around looking like that. And I am pretty sure she wasn't born that ugly and she wasn't THAT old when she was Queen. And she was like her mother too. She was composed and gentle, even if she went a little insane in the end, she was not that flustered.
findleyrocks 7 months ago
@findleyrocks Have you seen portraits of Mary Tudor? She was indeed ugly and old at this point in history.
The actress who plays her, Kathy Burke, however, is awesome - she is a great comedian.
Maneater1984 6 months ago
@Maneater1984 Many, many portraits dated from the tudor era are considered 'ugly' now, because the painter decided to depict them like that. Dont treat them like photographs...it was well documented about both mary's and elizabeth's beauty.
JokinglySerious 5 months ago
Mary Tudor by this time had lost her looks and most of her teeth. For proof, there is a portrait by Antonis Mor, commissioned by her husband, featured on Wikipedia.
novascot60 7 months ago
both of their lives were sad...
ShanaeEskimoFace 7 months ago
Based on historical evidence, Mary Tudor didn't become y'know...crazy...until she ascended to the throne. I really don't care for how she is portrayed in popular media (I did like The Tudors, though.)
TheSaiaax 8 months ago
@Sibs1990 What the hell does that have to do with anything here.
BeUrself0897 8 months ago
is right there is only ONE TRUE CHURCH! xD CLAPS!!!
Tecolotito 8 months ago
is right is only ONE TRUE CHURCH! xD CLAPS!!!
Tecolotito 8 months ago
i read a book on mary tudor she was sweet as ever as a child but being abandonded by her father caused her to be... weird her mother also made her the way she was by making her belive she could be queen when she knew a bastered child coud not...anyway mary turned into a real biotch bloody mary :) i dont realy blame the parents they tried there...best in a way lol i admire elizabeths courage and strength and realy dont blame her for not getting married lol long live Queen elizabeth :)
gu2341 8 months ago
i read a book on mary tudor she was sweet as ever as a child but being abandonded by her father caused her to be... weird her mother also made her the way she was by making her belive she could be queen when she knew a bastered child coud not...anyway mary turned into a real biotch bloody mary
gu2341 8 months ago
Mary is known as 'Bloody Mary' for a very good reason. I'd have some sympathy for the woman if she hadn't become a monster. There's nothing sad in her story for me, only bitterness and malice born of a poisonous meme and a despotic father.
Pooknottin 9 months ago 3
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demigod2324 9 months ago
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@Pooknottin I am not a catholic, i am a history major though and i can say with pretty good accuracy that it was greatly exaggerated how many protestants were actually killed under her reign it was only in hundreds not the thousands that most claim
demigod2324 9 months ago
@demigod2324 Well that's a relief, so she only had a few hundred people slaughtered for having a differing approach to worship? Why not saint her then? :p
Pooknottin 9 months ago
@Pooknottin god no she was still a monster i was just saying that it was historical propaganda against the church(i am a protestant i STRONGLY dislike the catholic church)
demigod2324 9 months ago
@Pooknottin i so agree with you, religion is not practiced with the head or mere oath said with the mouth,but must be accepted wholly with the heart. killing and torturing is not gonna make people accept catholicism she must convinced them.
Mandinko23 8 months ago
Whats the story with the young boy being murdered?
jamesbond1066 9 months ago
I am amazed to see Kathy Burke play this role so well, as opposed to her "Kevin and Perry" persona.
Which just goes to show that you can never judge the ability of an actor on stereotypical performances.
Yammahoo 9 months ago
the reason why Elizabeth never married is because of want happened to her mother and what happen to her father's other wives also Elizabeth wasnt called princess she was called Lady Elizabeth before he became queen
ellie9311 9 months ago 2
The one thing I really hate about this movie is that they portrayed Mary Tudor as such an ugly, insecure bitch. She was said to have ben beautiful in her youth, and being brought up a princess, a daughter of Katherine of Aragon, she wold never have acted like this. Another thing - the people loved Mary, until she began buring people at the stake.
SportHorse10 10 months ago 4
@SportHorse10 well this movie shows Mary at her worst time, near her death and in very poor health. The woman who plays the part is not ugly ,she is portrayed as such
MissTeenPregnancy 10 months ago
Of course not everyone! Elizabeth didn't need a man. Oh bullshit. She did have a husband. Becuase she did not get married means nothing. You all need to get a grip. You didn't need a man, yet, you still ride thier cocks. Don't need men my ass. Elizabeth was a great Queen becuase she did not let religion and personal gain fuel her conscience. Plus, Henry VIII was her father.
sommerjoy2000 10 months ago
@sommerjoy2000 No Elizabeth didn't have a husband and stop ranting you look fucking ridiculous.
Romanodibellezza 9 months ago
@ThanatosPhoenix James VI of Scotland and James I of England but I know what you meant.
MCForty 10 months ago
how did the tudors carry on if she ddnt have a infant?
Devilskilljoy 10 months ago
@Devilskilljoy Actually, the Tudor line ended with Queen Elizabeth 1. The Stuart dynasty began in 1603, and was ruled by James I of Scotland.
ThanatosPhoenix 10 months ago
@ThanatosPhoenix I though it began in 1625.
Hunte9753 9 months ago
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Queen Mary was never as bad as people made her out to be. If so she would of had Elizabeth executed by false allegation and had a Catholic upon the throne. But she never did. Says something does it not? But I do agree with beckibooheer, Queen Mary was a woman of great power, pride and intelligence. To make her sound that common and frail was a silly idea.
BeccaHeartsRainbows 10 months ago
Queen Mary was never as bad as people made her out to be. If so she would of had Elizabeth executed by false allegation and had a Catholic upon the throne. But she never did. Says something does it not? But I do agree with beckibooheer, Queen Mar was a woman of great power, pride and intelligence. To make her sound that common and frail was a silly idea.
BeccaHeartsRainbows 10 months ago 4
@BeccaHeartsRainbows she did plan to have Elizabeth executed however her husband told her if she did so he would not marry her and come to England, because the country would be unsafe for him. He was already disliked by Mary subjects because she was marrying a foreigner, and disliked by protestants because he was a Catholic.
nexne92 8 months ago 2
i think the boy their who tried to kill the man is jonathan rhys-meyers when he was still young. hey i just thought of it since they both have the same eyes.
kiokowashio23 10 months ago
they should seriously make movies from Philippa Gregory 's books cause they're better than this!!
RussianGirlie 10 months ago
Mary most have been so proud gaurds that beat a women
PrincessKarrah 10 months ago
I like the inlaid glass windows at the end....
Liliana820927 10 months ago
did her assistants die?
vipcanadian 10 months ago
9:44 - 10:35 The dude that doesn't talk looks like Colin Morgan from Merlin!
megabolt100 11 months ago
Mary Tudor was a pretty child. But by the time she came to the throne, she was bloated., overweight, and missing a great deal of teeth.
lareinemarie1 11 months ago
@ImaginalDisc very true. Religious politics can be pretty brutal.
halcyonseraphim 11 months ago
Mary Tudor has one of the saddest stories. Branded a bastard by her father and forced to serve the sister that usurped her place as a proud young woman. When she finally gets the throne, she of course, tries to convert an unwilling England back to Cathocism. And the husband she loved abandons her and the child she wanted is no child at all. Very sad.
halcyonseraphim 11 months ago 60
@halcyonseraphim You're leaving out her mass murders. Not so sympathetic.
ImaginalDisc 11 months ago
@halcyonseraphim The saddest thing about it is all the people she oppressed and murdered.
WorshipInTruth 9 months ago
@halcyonseraphim Yes Mary's story is sad but many of the things that happened to Mary happened to Elizabeth too. They were both branded bastards by both their father and later their brother. The first doing it for the sake of a new love and child and the second for religious reasons. But while I can feel sorry for her about that I cannot feel sorry for her about her vendetta to convert England back to Catholicism. Why would we feel bad for her because she burned people alive?
blackbird107 5 months ago
@blackbird107 There is no excuse for killing...
TinyRoseTamer 4 months ago
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@TinyRoseTamer When did I say there was?
blackbird107 4 months ago
@halcyonseraphim I think a sadder story would be the thousands she slaughtered over her Catholic religion
myRincon 5 months ago 10
@myRincon History is overwhelmingly and unfairly weighed against Queen Mary I.
Mary did not slaughter thousands of protestants, but an estimated 284. Her father on the other hand is estimated to have been responsible for over 57,000 deaths, although many historians argue the figure was much higher.
Unlike Henry however, Mary was in a poor mental state and she was manipulated by her courtiers and her unloving-husband.
Who was really deserving of the 'Bloody' title?
jadeclark42 2 months ago
@myRincon she killed 287 Protestants to be exact. The saddest story is that this villainous myth surrounding Mary has transcended from the Protestant propaganda from Elizabeth's time and is still marinating in Britain today. Revisionist history has shown that is actually isn't the tyrant once thought. Check your facts before you write such hyperboles.
Williano08 2 months ago 2
@halcyonseraphim you know very little about mary tudor then...
gmanthebeast1 5 months ago
@halcyonseraphim Do you think some of this hardship affected her and might have been responisble for some of her harshness?
Nerpha 4 months ago
The entire group consisting of the Tudor Family, their friends, circles; That entire scene dropped like a ton of bricks. Flat on their faces. Elizabeth I fared well only because she was innocent, and not akin to their clandestine operations.
StarQualityWins 11 months ago
Queen Elizabeth I defines the modern woman before anything modern ever existed. She didn't need a man by her side. She didn't marry so that a man could rule and she just step aside. She took charge.
TheMisslalalalame 11 months ago
Thanks!!!!
youbabiiable 1 year ago
whoa its the its the 9th doctor
akeelah94 1 year ago
Uh, it is seriously annoying to see Mary Tudor betrayed as so ugly. She was said to be a great beauty in her childhood and although not a match for Elizabeth in the time she was queen, she was never said to be ugly! Ever. She was also not said to say such things to Elizabeth.
And it is horrible to hear Mary with such a common accent and acting so emotional when she was queen of England, trained in the ways to keep herself in check. I'm a little disappointed to be honest.
beckibooheer 1 year ago 85
@beckibooheer
It's a movie method my teacher told me, it's to make Elizabeth more 'likeable' and more 'appealing' to the audience eyes. Besides is everything in history true? I do agree however, she was never said to be ugly.
director0kala 1 year ago
@beckibooheer Mary hated her sister because Anne Boleyn made her take care of Elizabeth when she was born so she hated her sister and Anne
smallvillehailey 11 months ago
@beckibooheer Well this does take place shortly before her tumor and death, so her haggard appearance makes sense.
Jelperman 11 months ago
@beckibooheer Finally! Someone who knows their history in regards to Mary I of England. I too am disappointed with the portrayal of Mary in the film. Have you see the Showtime series The Tudors? There, Mary is shown in her truest representation.
LordAlucardsbride 11 months ago
@LordAlucardsbride yeah the tudors i love that show
sarah bolger is excellent for mary
danilol7 11 months ago
@LordAlucardsbride Oh, give it a fuckin' rest!
anteater181 11 months ago
@anteater181 Uhh, no?
LordAlucardsbride 11 months ago
@beckibooheer Got a 'thing' for Mary, don't ya'? Don't deny it...we all know now. lmao
anteater181 11 months ago
@beckibooheer I counter with the fact that they would have all had some variation on an American Boston accent at this point in history anyway.
Niiauyr 11 months ago
@beckibooheer You have obviously never seend a picture of Queen Mary Tudor. By the way you mean potrayed as s ugly not betrayed as so ugly.
1Historygenius 10 months ago
@beckibooheer She may not have been ugly when she was younger but as she got older, she was said to have looked much older than she actually was and that her husband couldn't stand to be around her. She also had a diseased wound (or belly) and is believe to be the result of dropsy.
shyfly825 10 months ago
@beckibooheer Are you sure? I heard she was a mental wreck...I mean..look at what she did! And in painting's..she looks disgusting and gastly!
...but that is when she is a bit older...so.
LucasHiltonVicious16 10 months ago
@beckibooheer i going to say its because she tried to kill half of england....just saying!
JAHughes1988 10 months ago
@beckibooheer I am quite certain she was beautiful in her childhood and early years but from what I have read about her she became frail and bitter as she aged.Furthermore I do believe there is a reason she was known as Bloody Mary.
xyPERSON 9 months ago 2
@beckibooheer Yes, I agree with you. Mary must deffinately would have never behaved in such way, much less with someone present, her pain was carried with dignitty and to herself and only herself.
Mary, might have thought something of the sort some times, but I believe she was way above to being to cruel to Elizabeth. She was an intelligent woman, too inteligent to blame her sister over whatever hed mother had done.
Seeing her denigrated like this is really painfull... poor Mary
teenelf 9 months ago
@teenelf Dignity? Mary had Elizabeth arrested & put in the same tower & room her mom was imprisoned in before she was killed. Now is that a way to carry ones pain in a dignified manner, i think not. She was called Bloody Mary for a reason. Mary planned to have Elizabeth killed before her husband Philip told her he would not marry her if she did because England would be unsafe for him,because he was disliked by the British for being a foreigner & disliked by protestants for being Catholic.
nexne92 8 months ago 3
@nexne92 by the time Elizabeth was taken to the Tower, Mary was already wife of Philip. And besides, it was Mary's choice not to kill Elizabeth because she remembered her as a child. It would have been very wise of Mary to kill her sister and choose a catholic heir, her advisers told her to do so. She was called Bloody Mary by the protestants, becaushe tried to turn England back to catholicism and burned a lot of people, but then again, Elizabeth beheaded a lot of people too, even her oun cousin
teenelf 7 months ago
@teenelf mary never kiled more or less than any other male ruler of england befor her.
RavenRobin18 7 months ago
@RavenRobin18 amen to that, man woman catholic protestant they all ruled pretty much the same
BlueRazor69 7 months ago
@beckibooheer Creative license, I guess. An ugly and horribly catholic older sister makes Elizabeth seem that much more relatable? Maybe?
WhuttaNerd 8 months ago
@beckibooheer Mary Tudor's portrait is very ugly in my opinion
Medusa0999 8 months ago
@beckibooheer I know, I really don't like this clearly biased and untrue portrayal. Moreover, you almost get the impression that Mary is insane, which was not the case.
lawrence5584 8 months ago
@beckibooheer i agree, and i think it's a combinashon of the writers and the cast directers foults, if they had found a good actriss they probly would'nt have had to have such a transpairant vilan. as it is how being ugly is just a way for the audians to know off the bat that she'sthe bad guy.
p.s i've never thougt that the actress that plays Elizabeth was beautiful nor ugly to me she has rarely seen tip plain face.if youput on mackup she'sa beauty (like in LOTR ) if not she is an enigma .
RavenRobin18 7 months ago
@beckibooheer beauty and welth were the same thing back then, the richer you were, the more they would praise you with words like beauty. So we can't be sure of anything when it comes to that..
georr 7 months ago
@georr true besides only a dim witted country man would claim his ruling family were unatractive
duffywoody 7 months ago
@beckibooheer yeah but by this time- the portraits only showed her as ugly- lost her beauty with age apparently
warbringer670 6 months ago
@beckibooheer
I dunno. I mean towards the end one of her portraits was very unflattering but she was indeed a remarkable woman who had suffered so much.
LittleQueenTudor 6 months ago
Kate is very beautiful in this movie.
arch571332 1 year ago
That tapestry was a bit R rated for a bunchof up-tight medieval folk, don't you think?
nicolina1987 1 year ago
As a Greek Orthodox Christian who also venerates the Mother of God, I truly take issue with the almost comical references to her throughout this movie. The door depicting her breast feeding the Christ child would never have been allowed in a Renaissance court due to its graphic nature, but the end of the movie particularly offends me. Elizabeth proclaims herself as the "new Mary" for a Protestant England, good Lord, spare us! And the scene where she spits out the sanctified Host is the worst.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
I honestly had no idea how brutal the british were..OhMyGosh!
I'm British and I'm appaled!
LucasHiltonVicious16 1 year ago
@Scrumdidilyumpchious Who?
LucasHiltonVicious16 1 year ago
Mary is so Ugly here and Elizabeth is pretty I think the series The Tudors mAry was more beau...
lillygmail 1 year ago
@lillygmail yeahh in the series I think elizbath was so ugly with weird ass stick hair and nothinh alike anne boleyn I mean atleast they couldve picked a girl who kinda looked like the actress who played anne boleyn LOL or the beauty LOL
punketa32 1 year ago
we all believe in god...lol that 's funny because when she was queen she made it a point to banish all catholics and restore heresy
brandie7654 1 year ago
What twenty people didn't like this?!
JustcallmeDedo 1 year ago
such horrible times we have come so far
andysixxforeverily 1 year ago
fuck religion
seshu240cc 1 year ago
Shes Not another Matilda , thats for sure :P
halkiphulkiben 1 year ago
i saw a picture of Mary once. she was beautiful. in this, she's a fat ugly woman. wtf
ToriiiaaaX 1 year ago
@ToriiiaaaX Back in the day, the portraits royals and aristocrats had painted of themselves were designed to portray them as more attractive than they really were. Apparently, Henry VIII learned this unpleasant lesson the hard way, when he proposed to an ugly woman (I forget which wife) after seeing only her portrait.
neosoc 1 year ago
@neosoc Anne of Cleves
PinXmas 1 year ago
@neosoc they were all pretty unattractive. ann boleyn was ugly as sin. there are portraits of her that are just scary
vikula1 1 year ago
@neosoc i herd anne of cleves wasnt ugly, she was plump ,with bigger breast and mixed english and french fashion that later became popular
9862972 1 year ago
@neosoc well if thats true that they were painted prettier than what they really looked than they were REALLLY fuxking UGLYYYYY! I mean have you seen those ugly ass portraits??? EW!
punketa32 1 year ago
@punketa32 yeah..lol..but I htink that Mary and Elizabeth were very pretty in real life.. because I read the History of Henry and it says ,he was very handsome.but we dont know jejeje
lillygmail 1 year ago
@lillygmail well ive seen his painting NOT or mayb thta painting was done when he was old idk
punketa32 1 year ago
@ToriiiaaaX really? i saw several paintings of her and she was still really ugly :/
look up "mary tudor" on google. she aint very pretty
LorenaAwesomeChannel 1 year ago
why is he saying "end scene" at 10.03?
moonmaidens 1 year ago
I love British history. Especially the history of the Tudors itis so interesting.
21jenniferj 1 year ago
What's up with Mary at 3:30?
Seijakushii 1 year ago
@Seijakushii she upset is because her husband as leaved her and also the baby she thought she had turn out to be a tumor and so she will die knowing that her sister will be queen
ellie9311 9 months ago
barbosa is king? hmm...that's new
ChildOfSekhmet 1 year ago
i dont understand why queen elizabeth never had any children. i never understood that.
kikyosan543 1 year ago
@kikyosan543 if she was to ever marry she would have had to share her power with a man which was extremely unpopular in Mary I's reign. she learned from Mary's misktake and made it a point to never marry and thus have children, even though it could be speculated that she had sex in her reign
soccergirl97979 1 year ago
@kikyosan543 she wasn't able. i have a book about the tudor monarchy and some historians believe that she was biologically unable i guess, barren would be the rude way to put it
BlueRazor69 1 year ago
Can somebody explain to me why the man killed the boy? I didn't get anything at all!!
cresentmoon0336 1 year ago
@cresentmoon0336
He was a traitor.
StrawberrytamponLULZ 1 year ago
they should make a series about queen elizabeth you know like the tudors but about her reign
avalon2468 1 year ago
@avalon2468 They did, it was called the Virgin Queen
Tigerlilly0777 1 year ago
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@Tigerlilly0777 really thanks i'll be sure to check it out :)
avalon2468 1 year ago
@Tigerlilly0777
I think he meant the same production company and director. The Virgin Queen was like low budget BBC tripe compared to The Tudors.
However, the BBC verison would probably be more accurate.
StrawberrytamponLULZ 1 year ago
@StrawberrytamponLULZ Agreed.
Tigerlilly0777 1 year ago
Instead of coming on here and debating the ethnic origin of the english, who as you claim are "not truly enlish" sort out the ethnic diversity of your own irish people who I'm sure you think are "pure" like most irish do. being of irish ancestry myself it amazes me how narrow minded and hypocritical the irish can be. NO humen being is pure.
bellynda1 1 year ago
Damned Papists.
KingGopherNuts 1 year ago
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I never get tired of this film. I've watched it over and over - over the years. The settings, the cinematography. And perhaps mostly your wonderful English language . As an American i marvel in the beauty of true well spoken English. We Yanks stumble thru it like wounded retarded dogs compared to the best English speakers whom from what i've heard , only come from the source. Hearing pure English spoken by educated English people is like i'm a spray can artist watching Michelangelo - love
robi2000 1 year ago 26
@robi2000 I've never known the English language to be "pure."
Sibbycat 1 year ago
@robi2000
lol, you should come over here to the UK and hear some of the chavs, and northerners speak.
You won't be singing their praises, I can tell you
Most of us "sussex" born and bred, speak good English and are educated, but there are those who speak so commonly it ruins it for all
ElleCM2 1 year ago
@robi2000 In the former Soviet Union, when learning English, I did not know American English even existed. Boy, was I in for a shock when I moved here.
vikula1 1 year ago
@robi2000 Well, you may like HEARING the language, but....you sure as hell don't know how to type it out. lol
anteater181 1 year ago