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160km for 7 hours of charging? i understand this is top notch for electric cars, but people won't use it with those statistics. at least not in america. i know some sacrifices have to be made to go green, and most people are ok with that. but charging for 7 hours after driving for 6 is not going to go too well for every day transpotation. the cost of the car seems ok considering how much tech and work it takes to make these things run. this is really good news but there is still work to be done.
Electric cars should only be sale on Island like hawaii, or Tahiti because 1 on island its not like you can drive yourself to different island like you do on boats or cruise the interstate from coast to coast like on mainland. and Gas prices on island are now $5.00
Great effort on the part of Mitsubishi Motors..but there's two major problems with this car : 1st : price point ; $47 k US too expansive for most western buyers-should be
around $15-$20 K US , and 2ndly : takes 7 hours to recharge? are you kidding me?
Who's got 7 hours on a emergency situation-anywhere? Somehow any charging for
any electric vehicles needs to drop down to max 5,10,20,30 minutes-depending on the distance you intend to drive that day.Max charging time should be 30 minutes.
21lakh15000 INR... u people are making it unaffordable...., for that money i can buy a car for around 6lakhs and rest of the money i can invest in land or bank to give me money for my petrol car....to run for many many years..... make it economical.....
47 grand I could get a 5series or an Eclass. Smh They always make it so these vehicles are not accessable to public, Jacking the prices up like this is Bs/ For the ppl my ass
The wheel has to be reinvinted to concer the world as it did a century ago for people to notice the future is very different types of transit gas electric and hydrogen. P.S. get well japan for the nation is hurt right now.
Go ahead and keep your gas guzzling V8, gross polluter. Your rebellion is remarkable, but you are sadly slave to the "All American" dream (that deems muscle cars as tough guy mandatory). While Nascar would sound pretty wimpy with "quiet as a mouse" electric, H2O, or Air powered engines, these times, they are a changing. I used to hate hippies, but now I realize that they are the true visionaries.
Imo, Japan has chance to prohibit the sale of new petrol cars in country. And to allow only new electric cars. Together with this also switch over from left-hand traffic to right-hand traffic...
We suck balls ! and made this car way expensive that you could buy a used car and run it for ten years on gaz and you'd still save money other than buying our over priced car. F U Japan.
They got milion dollars so they stop produce prototypes so oil industry can run on. Or they just got misteriously killed. Or both. Wtf you ask? why do you think there are no cheap cars on market for sale yet or mass production? OIL OFCOURSE lol
"Sometimes". What percent? Is it enough for you to render all your wants of a good looking car? So is it the good looks, or the bad appearance (assuming bad engine) that you dont go for? Why can't you go for looks, but find something that takes you from point A to point B. Write this, "I dont' go for bad looks, i look for a car that can take me from point A to Point B. What I am trying to say is have you ever asked why someone would teach people not to go for looks?
That is sometimes. What if most of the time they are? How rational is that? If you go for good looks yet "sometimes" things aren't what they appear to be, then "most" of the time they are. Which means? If you go for bad looks yet things are also "sometimes" what they appear to be, then "most" of the time their also good. Which means?
I hope Mitsubishi succeeds with this vehicle. It is true the Japanese are usually not the first to invent technologies but they consistently prove they are more capable of refining and idea, then producing a useful, high quality product at a reasonable price. High quality quality products build long term trust in consumers. Compare GM with Toyota.
There may be a way the batteries can be recycled, or reused, Nissan are already looking at solutions for that.
Anyway, whatever problems the batteries may cause, surely its better than drilling for an unreplacable fossil fuel, which is then, quite literally, burnt, and can never be replaced!
Really that is so clever... but wait... where do the chemicals for the batteries come from. Not so enviromentally friendly when you consider such harrowing facts. Try compressed air cars...
More like the country that steal the most technology from others and pass it as their own to zombies like you who kiss their skinny Yellow asses and praise their not-so innovative ways to achieve technology breakthroughs.
stfu you piece of shit cargo1273. japan has 2nd highest number of patents. its motherfucking nazi americans like you who kiss german's pale pig-colored nazi ass.
I that's cool, if they are allowed in the US, they should sell well, they would make for an excellent second car to do errands/commutes in, which is probably 80% of what people use cars for in the city. they can use the gas chugglers for when they are going to visit aunt Lucy in Pasadena, :)
I agree. Going grocery shopping or to drop the kids at school. Mitsubishi will be selling a few of them to some government organization in California. But any private individual can import one if they wish. They are street legal because Japan's safety standards are mimic to most FDOT regulations.
This car is an complete waste for the car buyers. It doesn't charge at an instant. The car buyers need an electric vehicle. That can be charge instantly in seconds, not hours. These auto giants of the world. Need to go beack to the design room. And produce an better electric vehicle then this one.
Well thats an start. But... They should try to make even better battery. That can be charged in seconds. Since they have come with this particular type of battery (the scib). That can be charged in 10 mins. I'm quite sure they can develope an even much efficent one battery unit. They need to really put an battery out for the consumers. Which will in turn bring car sales back up to par.
If you can make charge time just comparable to how long it takes to physically fill a conventional tank full of petrol(gas), that I'd imagine would be good enough... (around 2-3 mins depending on your tank or pump)
One possibility for that is the EEstor capacitor battery, (on wiki), which should accept what ever power you have to give to them... not sure how close they are to making it a reality, but a Canadian car company(Zenn) plans to use the tech next year, seems optimistic, but who knows.
Is that right?! I do hope this comes to reality. because this could revolutionized the car industry, very quickly. Its only ashame that the american auto giants. Didn't develope this tech. knowledgy here, in america. These american auto refuse to advance themselves. They have the know how. But they just don't want to develope this type energy. For the entire auto industries, worldwide. They are greedy for money. And this is their down-fall. The european and japanese auto giants are doing it!
for the iMiew there is a quick charger to charge the car in 40min.. But to charge a electric car battery in 10 min you need a nuclear powerplant in your house.. lol.. Have you thought about what power needed to do such things? :)
iMiew battery= 16kWh
To charge this battery in 1 hour from depleeted to full it takes a fuse of atleast 70A at 230v .. To charge it in 10min you need atleast 420A!! :) 840A if you are on 110v! At my house i have 230v 20A ;) For me it will be charged overnight :)
Thats fine, and all..... But they should inplant solar cell membranes on the body of the car. And also inplant solar cells on the hulb caps to the wheels. Along with solar cells inplanted into the windows too. In order for the battery to recharge it self. While driving the vehicle. or while the vehicle is either parked on the street. This could be very helpful to re-generate energy. So the car would be able to recharge quickly. Regardless of the ampage and volts.
Solar would only charge a very small fraction of what you would need, and thats if you park it in the sun. Better to just have panels that store energy during the day at home, and you charge your car at night. this way you could have free electric for car and home. 30min quick charge is nice though, you could fully charge your car on a lunch break. I envision Induction chargers someday, where you car charges automatically while parked, no cables, bill sent to you by mail :)
WELL THE CAR INDUSTRY NEEDS TO STEP UP THEIR GAME BIG TIME! And make an better way to charge up the batteries quicker!!! Because this 30 min. charge crap ain't working!!!
@777jeru What you ask may not be scientifically possible, because you are constrained by fundamental laws of thermodynamics and entropy. Hence, you cannot assume and presume to live at the same level of comfort and convenience in the future that we have during this planet's one-time lucky oil phase. So the best technologists can do is minimize the inconvenience. We CAN keep life comfortable and convenient, but it requires a worldwide team effort.
For a moment there, I totally forgot what we were arguing about.
Took me awhile to find the comments again.
= WELL THE CAR INDUSTRY NEEDS TO STEP UP THEIR GAME BIG TIME =
Well, you ARE right about that.
I'd rather FAIL working hard on something I love (engineering problem-solving) than get paid to do a worthless unproductive job or, worse, one that is downright harmful to society (e.g. spying for the NSA)
i bet you i can make this car never run out of charge by installing deinmos in every wheel once its start moving those wheels will charge the battry please reply if you like the idea
I though about the same exact thing! To have generators inplanted into all four of the wheels. In order to recharge the battery. You and i are on the same wave link. lol
Can you imagine building renewable power stations to meet the demand? If you think about it, when there is a demand, someone will bound to provide it.
If you put a solar panel on a prius then you can get 100mpg so I wouldn't really worry about my EV on a hot day. Your car can charge when you are at work and if it fills up it can put that extra power from your solar back into the grid for others to use.
Can you imagine a parking lot full of cars with solar panels all charging for free? Not to mention homes...
If there is a will there is a way. G-d help me, I'll help them find it.
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KitsUcrosCilcoElectr 1 month ago
160km for 7 hours of charging? i understand this is top notch for electric cars, but people won't use it with those statistics. at least not in america. i know some sacrifices have to be made to go green, and most people are ok with that. but charging for 7 hours after driving for 6 is not going to go too well for every day transpotation. the cost of the car seems ok considering how much tech and work it takes to make these things run. this is really good news but there is still work to be done.
Neuropraxic 1 month ago
why electric cars are soooooooo ugly???
alebufalo 3 months ago
@alebufalo becouse ur thinking is ugly mate....there's nothing worng with the car.
navneetrama 2 months ago
:56 Mistubish motors ??
DarkForceS13 3 months ago
With a 100 yr. supply of Nat.Gas in the USA, There is ONLY ONE , Nat Gas car being sold.../ie/ HONDA CIVIC ????
MrHuntaz 4 months ago
technology came from the philipines!
12ock 4 months ago
Electric cars should only be sale on Island like hawaii, or Tahiti because 1 on island its not like you can drive yourself to different island like you do on boats or cruise the interstate from coast to coast like on mainland. and Gas prices on island are now $5.00
sideslide23 6 months ago
Great effort on the part of Mitsubishi Motors..but there's two major problems with this car : 1st : price point ; $47 k US too expansive for most western buyers-should be
around $15-$20 K US , and 2ndly : takes 7 hours to recharge? are you kidding me?
Who's got 7 hours on a emergency situation-anywhere? Somehow any charging for
any electric vehicles needs to drop down to max 5,10,20,30 minutes-depending on the distance you intend to drive that day.Max charging time should be 30 minutes.
Apvatar3000 6 months ago
pretty plain looking
heresteven 6 months ago
21lakh15000 INR... u people are making it unaffordable...., for that money i can buy a car for around 6lakhs and rest of the money i can invest in land or bank to give me money for my petrol car....to run for many many years..... make it economical.....
ponnu1984 6 months ago
47 grand I could get a 5series or an Eclass. Smh They always make it so these vehicles are not accessable to public, Jacking the prices up like this is Bs/ For the ppl my ass
jonnham 6 months ago
its good but you have to wait 7 hours to dive
gpgpgp13322 8 months ago
WELL THATS STUPID! All that energy comes from burning fossil fuels so it makes no difference except that you get the energy in different ways.
buzzooo21 8 months ago
The wheel has to be reinvinted to concer the world as it did a century ago for people to notice the future is very different types of transit gas electric and hydrogen. P.S. get well japan for the nation is hurt right now.
SouthsideHoods 10 months ago
Go ahead and keep your gas guzzling V8, gross polluter. Your rebellion is remarkable, but you are sadly slave to the "All American" dream (that deems muscle cars as tough guy mandatory). While Nascar would sound pretty wimpy with "quiet as a mouse" electric, H2O, or Air powered engines, these times, they are a changing. I used to hate hippies, but now I realize that they are the true visionaries.
TheSlojd 10 months ago
Imo, Japan has chance to prohibit the sale of new petrol cars in country. And to allow only new electric cars. Together with this also switch over from left-hand traffic to right-hand traffic...
OldineC117 10 months ago
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sideslide23 11 months ago
@sideslide23 Mitsubishi still exists, Japan still exists. Japan is not just Tohoku, you know.
RoniCMaster 9 months ago
????????
superrandomshorts 11 months ago
We suck balls ! and made this car way expensive that you could buy a used car and run it for ten years on gaz and you'd still save money other than buying our over priced car. F U Japan.
Dorisequador 11 months ago
those cars will be silent and unable to drift....those are not cars ffs >.<
emoo9999 11 months ago
bla bla bla... global warming bla bla bla... ecology.... bla bla bla.
I'll stay with the V8
khor11 1 year ago
They got milion dollars so they stop produce prototypes so oil industry can run on. Or they just got misteriously killed. Or both. Wtf you ask? why do you think there are no cheap cars on market for sale yet or mass production? OIL OFCOURSE lol
Please thumbs down.
softilol 1 year ago
the future is Hydrogen cars !!!
daswada9 1 year ago
Wars have been fought over oil, Japan bombed USA because of an oil embargo.
Mitsubishi made American captured pilots, work in there airplane factories.
Sad that USA auto manufactures, are not at the forfront, only Tesla.
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violafinishda 1 year ago
Better looking electric cars will sell better.
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
@heartlessvietboy There are better looking electric cars, they're all luxury or sports cars that only sell to the rich or collectors
This is the beginning of something new so of course there will be some ugly models that go the cheapest
49ersOwnAll09 1 year ago
I don't know why Hybrids and Electric Cars look unattractive to me. Hopefully better looking ones are being built. I will buy one.
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
@heartlessvietboy Tesla Roadster Model S
Tesla company is a pioneer in electric cars
49ersOwnAll09 1 year ago
@heartlessvietboy i dont go for looks.... i look for a car that takes me from point a to B thats it
99knight 1 year ago
What is the reason why one should or should not go for looks? Doesn't any car take you from point A to point B?
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
@heartlessvietboy cus some sometimes things are not always what they appear to be.
99knight 1 year ago
"Sometimes". What percent? Is it enough for you to render all your wants of a good looking car? So is it the good looks, or the bad appearance (assuming bad engine) that you dont go for? Why can't you go for looks, but find something that takes you from point A to point B. Write this, "I dont' go for bad looks, i look for a car that can take me from point A to Point B. What I am trying to say is have you ever asked why someone would teach people not to go for looks?
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
That is sometimes. What if most of the time they are? How rational is that? If you go for good looks yet "sometimes" things aren't what they appear to be, then "most" of the time they are. Which means? If you go for bad looks yet things are also "sometimes" what they appear to be, then "most" of the time their also good. Which means?
Anybody Care to Enlighten Me??
heartlessvietboy 9 months ago
I hope Mitsubishi succeeds with this vehicle. It is true the Japanese are usually not the first to invent technologies but they consistently prove they are more capable of refining and idea, then producing a useful, high quality product at a reasonable price. High quality quality products build long term trust in consumers. Compare GM with Toyota.
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MrCarowner 2 years ago
Where GM EV1.... hahahaha
masterlee123 2 years ago
I like japan.I guess they're trying to put out a good electric car out into the market,I'nt say any more.
tvbcu 2 years ago 2
There may be a way the batteries can be recycled, or reused, Nissan are already looking at solutions for that.
Anyway, whatever problems the batteries may cause, surely its better than drilling for an unreplacable fossil fuel, which is then, quite literally, burnt, and can never be replaced!
tannagra 2 years ago
Really that is so clever... but wait... where do the chemicals for the batteries come from. Not so enviromentally friendly when you consider such harrowing facts. Try compressed air cars...
snowballwest 2 years ago
i love japan...the best country in technology.
lavakava 2 years ago 38
More like the country that steal the most technology from others and pass it as their own to zombies like you who kiss their skinny Yellow asses and praise their not-so innovative ways to achieve technology breakthroughs.
Cargo1273 2 years ago
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stfu you piece of shit cargo1273. japan has 2nd highest number of patents. its motherfucking nazi americans like you who kiss german's pale pig-colored nazi ass.
i will stick to my jap cars.
lavakava 2 years ago 3
Fuck you motherfucker. Do I sound like I give a fat ass about what you like you fucking asshole No right so shut your ricers deep up your ass.
Cargo1273 2 years ago
@lavakava man people need to calm down -_- too much anger and hate destroys people and countries.
xBboySmileyx 1 year ago
Did she say 47.000 dollards?
NonNativeSpeaker 2 years ago
47K is way too high, for electric to be mainstream, those prices need to be slashed in half.
gilgamesh1962 2 years ago
Is not $47,000. I Check Mitsubishi's website and It goes for $12,000 for the top-tier model.
Cargo1273 2 years ago
She got the facts all wrong. Mitsubishi's website have the car for roughly U.S.$12,000 for the top-of the-line model.
Cargo1273 2 years ago 2
I that's cool, if they are allowed in the US, they should sell well, they would make for an excellent second car to do errands/commutes in, which is probably 80% of what people use cars for in the city. they can use the gas chugglers for when they are going to visit aunt Lucy in Pasadena, :)
gilgamesh1962 2 years ago
I agree. Going grocery shopping or to drop the kids at school. Mitsubishi will be selling a few of them to some government organization in California. But any private individual can import one if they wish. They are street legal because Japan's safety standards are mimic to most FDOT regulations.
Cargo1273 2 years ago
why not mount turbines on electric cars to recapture the energy from going forward?
mooton 2 years ago
You are yoking, right? Hybrid and electric cars usually recharges batteries while breaking though.
RichardD42 2 years ago
No im not joking. I dont mean huge wind farm ones I mean small ones mounted in the grille or something.
mooton 2 years ago
This is ridiculous.. When they were first talking about this car last year, it was supposed to cost ~$20,000.
ibnuts 2 years ago
This car is an complete waste for the car buyers. It doesn't charge at an instant. The car buyers need an electric vehicle. That can be charge instantly in seconds, not hours. These auto giants of the world. Need to go beack to the design room. And produce an better electric vehicle then this one.
777jeru 2 years ago
Look up Scib batteries 777jeru :)
afleececooper 2 years ago
Scib battery? What about this Scib battery?
777jeru 2 years ago
Both the Scib battery and Nanosafe, claim charge times of 10mins,
Nanosafe are to be used in the British Electric Lightning car, to be released this month, according to the Telegraph (UK),
afleececooper 2 years ago
Well thats an start. But... They should try to make even better battery. That can be charged in seconds. Since they have come with this particular type of battery (the scib). That can be charged in 10 mins. I'm quite sure they can develope an even much efficent one battery unit. They need to really put an battery out for the consumers. Which will in turn bring car sales back up to par.
777jeru 2 years ago
If you can make charge time just comparable to how long it takes to physically fill a conventional tank full of petrol(gas), that I'd imagine would be good enough... (around 2-3 mins depending on your tank or pump)
One possibility for that is the EEstor capacitor battery, (on wiki), which should accept what ever power you have to give to them... not sure how close they are to making it a reality, but a Canadian car company(Zenn) plans to use the tech next year, seems optimistic, but who knows.
afleececooper 2 years ago
Is that right?! I do hope this comes to reality. because this could revolutionized the car industry, very quickly. Its only ashame that the american auto giants. Didn't develope this tech. knowledgy here, in america. These american auto refuse to advance themselves. They have the know how. But they just don't want to develope this type energy. For the entire auto industries, worldwide. They are greedy for money. And this is their down-fall. The european and japanese auto giants are doing it!
777jeru 2 years ago
for the iMiew there is a quick charger to charge the car in 40min.. But to charge a electric car battery in 10 min you need a nuclear powerplant in your house.. lol.. Have you thought about what power needed to do such things? :)
iMiew battery= 16kWh
To charge this battery in 1 hour from depleeted to full it takes a fuse of atleast 70A at 230v .. To charge it in 10min you need atleast 420A!! :) 840A if you are on 110v! At my house i have 230v 20A ;) For me it will be charged overnight :)
taz79 2 years ago
Thats fine, and all..... But they should inplant solar cell membranes on the body of the car. And also inplant solar cells on the hulb caps to the wheels. Along with solar cells inplanted into the windows too. In order for the battery to recharge it self. While driving the vehicle. or while the vehicle is either parked on the street. This could be very helpful to re-generate energy. So the car would be able to recharge quickly. Regardless of the ampage and volts.
777jeru 2 years ago
Solar would only charge a very small fraction of what you would need, and thats if you park it in the sun. Better to just have panels that store energy during the day at home, and you charge your car at night. this way you could have free electric for car and home. 30min quick charge is nice though, you could fully charge your car on a lunch break. I envision Induction chargers someday, where you car charges automatically while parked, no cables, bill sent to you by mail :)
gilgamesh1962 2 years ago
WELL THE CAR INDUSTRY NEEDS TO STEP UP THEIR GAME BIG TIME! And make an better way to charge up the batteries quicker!!! Because this 30 min. charge crap ain't working!!!
777jeru 2 years ago
No biggie. Everyone have mini nuclear power plants in their kitchens., they are call Microwaves.
Cargo1273 2 years ago
@777jeru What you ask may not be scientifically possible, because you are constrained by fundamental laws of thermodynamics and entropy. Hence, you cannot assume and presume to live at the same level of comfort and convenience in the future that we have during this planet's one-time lucky oil phase. So the best technologists can do is minimize the inconvenience. We CAN keep life comfortable and convenient, but it requires a worldwide team effort.
mphello 5 months ago
@mphello MAN! I seriously beg the differ! And furthermore, i am NOT a fundamentalist! So get that straight through your skull!
777jeru 4 months ago
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@777jeru
For a moment there, I totally forgot what we were arguing about.
Took me awhile to find the comments again.
= WELL THE CAR INDUSTRY NEEDS TO STEP UP THEIR GAME BIG TIME =
Well, you ARE right about that.
I'd rather FAIL working hard on something I love (engineering problem-solving) than get paid to do a worthless unproductive job or, worse, one that is downright harmful to society (e.g. spying for the NSA)
mphello 4 months ago
i bet you i can make this car never run out of charge by installing deinmos in every wheel once its start moving those wheels will charge the battry please reply if you like the idea
EAzouz 2 years ago
I though about the same exact thing! To have generators inplanted into all four of the wheels. In order to recharge the battery. You and i are on the same wave link. lol
777jeru 2 years ago
2 hours charge?
Luccasio1 2 years ago
In "who killed the electric car" how much was the ev1 retailing for?
Strange that 20 year old technology costs so much.
lighthammar 2 years ago
hey sign me up for 1
lights21002003 2 years ago
What is with the anchor and the reporter reading the news like they're ro-bots?
fjccommish 2 years ago
japanese rock
00samarkand00 2 years ago
They need to get the price down ! I will by a TESLA SEDAN with 300 miles range on that money !!! EV RULES !
kostea13 2 years ago
shit that's expensive
awazha 2 years ago
can you imagine everybody charging their cars during peak electricity use hours in California during peak hot summer days???
mrzack888 2 years ago
Can you imagine building renewable power stations to meet the demand? If you think about it, when there is a demand, someone will bound to provide it.
ratryu 2 years ago
If you put a solar panel on a prius then you can get 100mpg so I wouldn't really worry about my EV on a hot day. Your car can charge when you are at work and if it fills up it can put that extra power from your solar back into the grid for others to use.
Can you imagine a parking lot full of cars with solar panels all charging for free? Not to mention homes...
If there is a will there is a way. G-d help me, I'll help them find it.
daderone 2 years ago
but where does the electricity come from? Wind ? Solar? River? Nuclear? Coal?
mrzack888 2 years ago 8
see peterweetbeter
peterweetbeter 2 years ago
@mrzack888 Here in Canada Were Banning Coal Plants And Were Using More Solar Plants.
fisherboizz 7 months ago
@mrzack888 other than coal all of this are envirementally heallthy even nuclear and best of all its cheap and infinite
TheSpartanpr 6 months ago
@mrzack888 You're not supposed to ask. Probably better off not knowing (*coughlivebabies*)
sonbuhitsunei 4 months ago
neat
Energyium 2 years ago
Another electric car...
1Stalker1 2 years ago
le cout est de combien pour cette voiture , merci de me répondre
kar1110 2 years ago