Clash of Faiths in Indonesia 1 of 2 - BBC Our World Documentary

[aferdiansyah]

Stupid closed minded people...regardless muslim or other faiths. If christian wants to do their practice or do sunday prayer so be it. I'm a muslim and really dont have any problem with any other religions who wants to do their prayers - We're all live unde the same sun after all. Open your mind, your heart and your eyes! DAMN STUPID PEOPLE!

[Reddylion]

bloody muslims..

[karelin11]

This is the key Indonesians will become atheist because of muslim pigs attacks against christians!

[RuniScience]

@karelin11 < i'm Catholic, but I would NEVER call any Muslim a "Pig" ... Shame on you you FUCKING JERK ... Any Killing is now Blood on YOUR HANDS... may Hell have a space for you...

[rice7447]

I don't understand why people care so much about what others believe unless they are unsure about their own religion and are trying to rationalize why everyone elses is wrong. Everyone needs to stop worrying about what others believe and just worry about themselves. Let eveyone worship as they please.

[ritchloui]

@rice7447 I agree with your sentiment; people should NOT worry about what others believe. Unfortunately Islam's teachings are practically all about 'believers' versus 'unbelievers'. The entire religion is about expanding its influence and the obliteration of 'unbelief'. This is the case wherever Islam has taken hold. You should read the Koran and you'll see, it is NOT a religion of peace but of domination.

[RuniScience]

@ritchloui > Well said & admittedly this is not my issue, other that I have uploaded this & other related videos.. But now you peak my interest.. You mention Islams target to expand its influence & "obliterating "unbelief"" , which is probably true, but I wonder if this is not a common target of most mainstream religions ? Be they Christian , e.g. Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox, or Muslim or Buddhist for that matter. Should we not just self-reflect a bit no matter what religion? Thanks, Runi

[ritchloui]

@RuniScience Both Christianity and Islam have a strong proselytizing characteristic to them. However, Christianity underwent a major reformation 300 years ago and the type of coercion that was characterised by the 600 year long Inquisition, culminating in the Spanish Inquisition, were thoroughly discredited as having no Biblical authority. Unfortunately, this is not the case with Islam. The Koran advocates violence against 'unbelievers' and the enforcement of Islam as the sole religion.

[RuniScience]

@ritchloui > Yes, so it seems &I agree mostly, although I wonder if Christianity & esp Catholisism has really undergone that reformism that you nicely describe. One only has to go & see Ireland and its recent conflicts, or like me just grow-up in a prominently Catholic Continent like South America ... All I say is that it might help to self-reflect a bit before casting the first stone (& that includes Muslims of course)...

[ritchloui]

@RuniScience There are many verses in the Qur'an advocating aggression towards non-Muslims and those who avoid going out on violent raids on unbelievers are themselves threatened with 'painful punishment'

Qur’an 9:39 If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. And Allah is over all things competent.

[ritchloui]

@RuniScience Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 46 : Narrated by Abu Huraira

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."

A clear incitement to rob and attack others.

[RuniScience]

@ritchloui > No point in continuing here ... All I say is "Don't cast the first stone" (This is Biblical), and all you reply with is "Cast it , cast it" (This is also Biblical at the next level)...

[DOGGEATDOGG03]

@RuniScience Omg! 3:01 Osama Bin Liden still alive!

[RuniScience]

@DOGGEATDOGG03 > Lol. I guess the facelift was a bit too tight ... As a matter of fact there are serious investigators who claim just that ... Basically that Bin Laden IS still alive ... They base this mainly on the very unusual operating procedure by the USA to recover the body only to dispose of it at sea just hours later ... & of course leaving no hard evidence behind ... Its ony an idea but I wouldn't be surrized if they got him, but alive ... One doesn't just dispose of the most wanted man.

[DOGGEATDOGG03]

@RuniScience exactly. may only be an idea, but i whole-heartedly believed that osama bin laden got knocked out by a rubber or plastic bullet. there was no solid proof revealing that he is dead or so. no picture of a hold in his head. other, if he was alive and Al Qaeda know of this they are willing to go to a full measure to get him back. so, the plan was to lets say "he's dead."

[byomjan]

Oh.. no. again muslims creating problems for minorities..How come indonesians like a religion of middleeast .. it will one day destroy it like islam done to countries like pakistan and afghanistan...Ancient religion Hinduism and Buddhism were so peaceful?Why and how indonesians adopted this barbarian islam religion.

[RuniScience]

@byomjan > It will get much worse than that ... watch the Film "Blade Runner..."

[byomjan]

@RuniScience Wondering how and why indonesians forgot thier prosperous Hindu heritage and fell trapped to islam..thier devastation is clear...

[RuniScience]

@byomjan > Thank-you for commenting directly through me, still I do not hold any relevant qualifications on this topic, I'm Roman Catholic and even there sceptic, otherwise I'm a Molecular Biologist but even more sceptic there ... Thanks Runi

[RuniScience]

@byomjan > As an outsider the problem in Indonesia is very interesting to me ... indonesia was originally Christian (once the Portuguese arrived...) I could not care if the population is Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Native, as long as Gods Commandments are followed ... They are quite simple ... Thanks , Runi .

[byomjan]

@RuniScience -Even that doesnt matter to me. But the indonesians were Hindus and Buddists as most of the South asians are. They sud ve sticked to that instead of converting to such a dreaded religion.

[RuniScience]

@byomjan > look ... i don't give a shit ...but very soon I will block all Comments regarding Indonesia, China and Iran - I have no other choice....

[RuniScience]

>>"E ven that does not Matter to me" ??? Are you somehow sick and require immediate assistan

ce ? I Can provide immediate help ... BHuddha is not always present i had to learn this with my God .....

[catholoc]

god will always with the minority who are claiming their worship to the almighty..god bless u christians

[JusufJan]

Islam, the religion of peace. lol, Piece or peace of crap?

[KnightCrawler2]

As Muslims we must respect ppl of all faiths

[richardhaw]

christians...what a pest

[RuniScience]

@richardhaw ... You didn't read your Suras' properly ... read them again !

[iAnnouska]

@richardhaw With 17,000 terrorist attacks by Muslims since 1980, I can hardly believe that Christians are to blame. You're an idiot.

[phnuggle]

Once again religion causing social unrest. Pitiful.

"My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend"

Live and let live already.

This kind of religious fervour is pathetic.

Both sides need a hindu temple and a jewish synagogue to on the same block so everyone can learn tolerance through cultural diversity.

[RuniScience]

@phnuggle > well, I'd be glad to be your "Imaginary Friend" ... I'd enjoy exchanging views on political and religious matters with you ... a Hindu Temple and Jewish Synagogue on the same plot ??? Wow, you are a Master... Thanks for viewing & Commenting, Runi

[tu7joe]

why is it so hard to pray in indonesia ? is that a really problem ? i heard indonesia has 5 kind of religion that approved by government..?

too bad for them you know, they just want to pray at home but its a problem.. so thats mean there's no freedom there isnt it ? just you can pray anywhere if you are muslim, other than that its illegal ? poor people, they must be suffered enough to be threaten like that...

[EmeraldMara85]

That sociology lecturer should be fired because he does not know democracy comes with laws.

What if the majority of people wanted violence? Can that be called democracy after that? No, its called breaking the law. Just like how they showed to breaking human rights.

[TheSanityInspector]

It didn't help matters that Saudi Arabia founded & funded harsh Wahabhist madrassas around the world, including Indonesia. Up until the past few decades, Indonesian Muslims were fairly mellow in their practices, so I've read. But thanks to the poison spread by those desert-dried imams, trouble is erupting among Muslims & their neighbors everwhere these madrassas are found. Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Britain, on and on...

[THIRDWORLDUNITE]

@TheSanityInspector christianty is the white man religon and those who worship the white man as god christianty is another face of colonialism and mental slavery

[TheSanityInspector]

@THIRDWORLDUNITE Sir, Christianity spread into Asia and Africa long before the Europeans did. Look up some of the ancient Christian murals of Ethiopia, for example.

[THIRDWORLDUNITE]

@TheSanityInspector the ethiopian orthodox church is an extention of the coptic epyptian church which originated from the greek orthodox church you can see the white man origins of the ethiopian church

[TheSanityInspector]

@THIRDWORLDUNITE Nevertheless, they had the Gospel while at the same time the British were still tossing human sacrifices into peat bogs, and painting themselves blue at Stonehenge. And don't forget the Nestorian Church, which at one point covered Asia until Islam extinguished it.

[THIRDWORLDUNITE]

@TheSanityInspector your chiristianty is a mental slavery and was invented to brain wash nations before invading them from the greek and roman times to europian colonialism, the missioneries went first then the armies. thats how christianty help to enslave africa , latin america and asia and the blood of these people is on christianty