Just because someone claims they are this or that,whether Catholic priest or not,doesn't mean God Almighty sees them that way.God sees the very heart of each & every person.We may think we are pleasing to God & may be decieving ourselves.On the other hand,our actions should call us out on all counts.Hitler I believe was decieved by Satan,maybe he knew it,maybe he didn't.Only God knows for sure.
Hitler was a Catholic not a Christian,if you cant differenciate between these two then it proves to me that you are historicaly and theologicaly ignorant
Oh, so quotes are not good enough? You want to read the ENTIRE Mein Kampf, uh? Please be my guest. Here it is available online: gutenberg . net . au / ebooks02 / 0200601 . txt
Yeah, if simply being raised Christian makes someone a Christian, then so is doggins and hitchens. Oops, he's dead. He "was" a Christian by those nutty standards.
In reality, only those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are Christians, regardless of upbringing or false labels.
Somehow I don't think that Jesus of Nazareth, who was a PACIFIST JEW, would advocate the violent genocide of the Jewish people -- let's get some frikkin' perspective here, you jackasses. LOL
Be careful of half-truths - you might have the wrong half. Just as there are two sides to every coin, so likewise there is more than one-side to Hitler. There is so much more about him you're neglecting, that your half-truths aren't really true at all. The real truth of the matter is Hitler was neither Christian or atheist. Hitler was a clever racist, fascist, & lunatic. Hitler doesn't even come close to fitting the description of being a Christian. His life gave no evidence of it.
So tell me. When you take all of Hitlers actions that were done in the name of Christianity and then you ignore all of the things he did in the name of evolution and NOT in the name of Christianity, is what you consider to be a firm grasp on history?
The "Hitler was a Christian" thing is very common among the Christian haters circle. You make a nice fit.
Yes, It's proven that Hitler is a christian, and that the Nazi Regime was founded on catholic dogma.
You do realize that eugenics is pretty damn common? When people breed dogs they rely on the principles of eugenics, for example. Eugenics doesn't have any connection to evolutionairy theory. You can reject the concept of evolution (which Hitler did) and still accept the principles of eugenics.
The only pattern I see is of your bullshit that you and your sock-accounts post.
No, they are not weasel words, it's the truth you ignoramus.
No, Hitler was a creationist. Why do you think the Nazis banned books teaching evolution? Man, you're thick.
I find it highly suspicious how it comes that all of a sudden during a couple of days this video has been bombarded with 10x more comments than usual, all equally ignorant.
Your right. It is very sad. It's very sad when people like yourself pick and choose things from history and ignore other information in order to slander the people you hate the most.
It's funny because this is one of the things that you and your friends hate about Christians.
You think you have accomplished something but you really haven't. Least of all proving Hitler was a Christian.
Haha, You mean it's funny how Religious Zealots like you pick and choose things you accept as truth.
Throughout this entire exchange you haven't provided any single empirically proven historical proof of Hitler not being christian. Yet, you act all arrogant and "Holier than thou" towards me?!
I wasn't sure first but now I'm certain, you're a troll.
Fuck it, you're blocked and being put on my list of people I will pawn in a future video.
Altogether Hitler’s killing machine murdered 5 million Jews, and 7 million Christians — a little published fact that caused Jewish historian Max Dimont to declare that “the world blinded itself to the murder of Christians” by Nazi Germany (Dimont, 1994, pp. 391-392). In Poland alone 881 Catholic priests were annihilated (Azar, 1990, p. 154). In time many more priests would end up in concentration camps
You're probably one of the most deluded people I've ever met online.
The cross is not a pagan symbol.
People who were put in concentration camps were: SIX million Jews, and FIVE million dissidents, homosexuals, retards, crippled, union-officials, collectivists, socialists, syndicalists, Liberals, Libertarians and traitors, the majority of which were christian (Protestants), but they weren't killed specifically for their christianity.
Dachau concentration camp held the largest number of Catholic priests — over 2,400 — in the Nazi camp system. They came from about 24 nations, and included parish priests and prelates, monks and friars, teachers and missionaries. Over one third of the priests in Dachau alone were killed (Lenz, 2004). One Dachau survivor, Fr. Johannes Lenz, wrote an account of the Catholic holocaust.
Like i said "More documents that prove Nazi's planned to "eliminate Christianity and convert its followers to an Aryan philosophy" are now on the online version of Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion "
A quote about Hitler’s stance on Christianity from Alfred Rosenberg “He had never allowed a member of the clergy to a Party meeting or to the burial of a member of the Party. The Judeo-Christian plague was now heading towards its end. He said it was downright horrifying that a religion could ever have been possible which literally gobbled up its God in communion.”
Das politische Tagebuch Alfred Rosenbergs 1934-1935 und 1939-1940 p. 97. Christian Action for Israel
Not only did you not prove your point, you showed your lack of understanding the issue. Read through the OSS documents yourself. Instead of parsing out his quotes on a creator why not show the times he said he hated the christian faith? Review the O.S.S. report entitled “The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches.”"Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders."
First the holocaust was not a Christian deed.secondly the holocaust even if it was does not reflex Christianity.and thirdly even if Adolfo hitler was a Christian why does it even matter.
It does,are you aware that christians use the Hitler was an atheist to bash atheism and say how bad its for the humanity?
What did Hitler put on the belts of his soldiers?God mit uns -God with Us.
It does not matter if he is speaking for the Jufeo-christian God or Alien God, the perspective that he used any God to fund his actions are proof on how much can religion go by its extremes.
"he used any God to fund his actions are proof on how much can religion go by its extremes."
But the actions of the millions-strong League of the Militant Godless in the USSR show that atheists are by no means immune. Furthermore, many atheists were attracted to the Nazi party, even the Head of the Party Party Chancellery, and Hitler's personally secretary, Martin Bormann was an atheist, so lack of religion by no means provided a defense against Nazi beliefs.
Hitler initially tried to reorganize the religions under Rosenberg's Positive Christianity as well as German Christian ideas. This was not as successful as he hoped and when Hanns Kerrl, his Reichminister of Church Affairs died, he was not replaced. The SS encouraged (and more) Nazis to leave their churches and large amounts complied. The top 3 years for church leaving in Germany since records began in the 1880s are (in order from 1-3) 1939, 1937, and 1938.
Hitler Youth was led by atheists Artur Axeman and Baldur von Schirach and Hitler's first violation of the concordat (only weeks after signing it) was trying to get Catholics to go there instead of to Catholic youth organizations (eventually Hitler made their attendance mandatory), yet at 1:55-2:14 this guy tries to make it seem as if they were a Christian group. Wow, truth means nothing to him
4:51 IS PLAIN LIES. THIS SHOWS THAT THE VIDEO MAKER DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TRAGEDY OF THE HOLOCAUST, ONLY PROPAGANDA. HE IS EXPLOITING THE HOLOCAUST AS A TOOL FOR ATHEIST ADVOCACY!!!
Lets talk about those atheists and pagans who were "murdered" by the Nazis for their beliefs. Do you mean atheists like Martin Bormann who was made Hitler's personal secretary and head of the Party Chancellery? Axemann or Schirach who were in charge of Hitler Youth? Or pagans like Himmler who LED THE HOLOCAUST?
Silly me, thinking you would have some evidence to back up your fringe theories. I see you are relying on the appeal to ridicule fallacy instead. I guess this video is only made to convince people who believe everything they see on the internet (at least everything anti-Christian).
Wow, way to "exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today." as Rabbi D. Dalin put it.
Listen man, Hitler's most famous biographer, John Toland, said Hitler was a Christian. You are the one trying to change the most popular held view of history here.
@ihaveadesk1 According to biographer John Toland, Hitler was still "a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God—so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty."
So Hitler's most famous biographer was just a propagandist too?
The worst thing about this video is it pretends to be trying to educate people, but is instead propaganda (which also explains the lack of sources for many claims.
1:21 , Hitler did not work closely to those ends. The Nazis started the PROTESTANT Reich church and Positive Christianity (as opposed to "negative Christianity" like Protestantism and Catholicism. And Hitler sent thousands of Polish priests to concentration camps. He also secularized the major Catholic schools.
And closed the major Polish seminaries to prevent the priests from being replaced and made people join Hitler Youth instead of their Catholic youth organizations (See Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression) So his goal was obviously not converting people to Catholicism.
Gott mit Uns was already used as a Prussian military motto for centuries, it was not something new the Nazis brought in. The German mother program was to create lots of Aryans, it was not a religious program
Schlatgeter was a devout Catholic, but he died before the Nazi party even existed. He was only adopted by the Nazis because he was a German war hero.
And like Gott mit Uns, crosses had been German military decorations for many centuries. It was not something created by the Nazis.
2:39 Another misleading part. Abortions were only forbidden for healthy Aryans, they were first legalized in Poland by the Nazis, and often forced upon Jews, Slavs, and the disabled.
@ihaveadesk1 To claim Hitler was only using Christianity as a platform and trying to push him as far away from it shows your agenda because the man was obviously well versed in Christian doctrine. You seem to only be covering for the Catholic Church but they did things in their history against the Jews that made Hitler look like an amateur. They had spent the prior 2000 years killing Jews and terrorizing the planet.
I was giving facts about mistakes in the video, while you respond with the ad hominem circumstantial fallacy and some hyperbole about the Catholic church being worse than Hitler for persecuting Jews. Give evidence if this is so. What did the Catholics do that was worse than the holocaust
And you seem to think that all Christianity is Catholic. Just because you read a bible doesn't mean you work for the Vatican. The popular "On Jews and the Lies" was written by Martin Luther
@ihaveadesk1 Well, first you pulled the idea Hitler was forced to be baptized directly out of your ass. Secondly, when the hell did they secularize schools, Hitler didn't seem to think they were secularized. You say he stopped going to church as soon as he left home but attending church isn't what makes you Christian. Like I said he had 100 books on Jesus in his personal library and had read them all and made notes, he studied Christianity more than most priests.
"Well, first you pulled the idea Hitler was forced to be baptized directly out of your ass."
Firstly, Hitler was baptized as an infant, of course it was forced. I said confirmed, and I did not make that up, it comes from "Hitlers Gott" by historian Michael Rissman. I already gave the source, you need to read more carefully before making such assumptions, especially in such a crude manner.
As for the secularization of the schools, Hitler was not an honest man, he pretended to be against secularization to get the Concordat signed, then once it was signed, "the Nazi conspirators almost immediately commenced a series of violations of the Concordat..." (Nuremberg Trial Transcripts)
You can see the evidence in history books, the Nuremberg Trial transcripts, Vatican protests, as well as contemporary news reports and Vatican protests.
@ihaveadesk1 Hahahaha wait did you just say Hitler was the one who wanted to get the Concordat signed? Why on earth would Hitler want to sign the Concordat, it was the Catholics who went to him with the Concordat.
Here is a comptemporary report from Time Magazine for example: "Last week on the Führer's orders Bavarian Minister of Interior Adolf Wagner closed every Catholic public school in Bavaria, fired 670 teachers, secularized 966 schools. This was in flagrant violation of the Nazi Concordat with the Vatican" From "Cross & Swastika" 1937 "Time"
(keep in mind Barvaria was the Catholic part of Germany, as opposed to Protestant Prussia)
@ihaveadesk1 Yea I think I've encountered you under a different name here because you are using the exact same arguments they did. Time magazine back then was biased. Adolf Wagner was DEMOTED by Hitler for trying to take crosses out of Bovarian schools. Try giving me another source that Time and explain why Hitler demoted him.
@ihaveadesk1 "Wagner angered Adolf Hitler in 1941 when he insisted on removing crucifixes from Bavarian classrooms, which outraged the Roman Catholic Church and the general public. The opposition to this move was so strong Wagner was forced to rescind the order, one of the rare circumstances of successful public opposition in Nazi Germany."
Hitler was eventually angered with the resulting outcry, not the removal itself. See, "A HAMBURG CHILDHOOD: THE EARLY LIFE OF HERBERT BERNSTEIN" "Despite repeated warnings from Hitler that the time was NOT YET ripe for open conflict with the Churches,150 Wagner seized on encouragement from others in the Party hierarchy, especially Martin Bormann, to initiate an assault on the Catholic Church in Bavaria." (emphasis mine) by Paul H. Haagen.
"Why on earth would Hitler want to sign the Concordat, it was the Catholics who went to him with the Concordat."
Hitler wanted it to get rid of the Catholic Center party which opposed his Nazi ideas, and threatened to get more votes than the Nazis. Look at his demands in the Concordat.
And you didn't say why the Catholics wanted the Concordat, it was to prevent Nazis from discriminating against Catholic worship, as well as to prevent persecution of Catholics.
He is Professor of Law and Senior Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at Duke University. The article was published in the "Duke Journal of Comparative and International Law ". Check his sources for the statements, they were historians.
@ihaveadesk1 Can you tell me what historians and why you would bother quoting a Law professor instead of an historian? I don't see he has any sources.
You click on the number following the statement, like wikipedia. The source is "NEMESIS" by Sir Ian Kershaw. Guess what Sir Ian was knighted for? Are you going to try a ad hominem argument against him?
As for how Hitler treated the Catholics, see "The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945" by J.S. Conway
@ihaveadesk1 Yea that order wasn't from Hitler, he claimed it was from Bormann even though there isn't confirmation of that. It says so in Kershaw's book.
That is correct with the crucifix issue, though Bormann was advocating for general action against the church because: "Most probably, [Bormann] misinterpreted on this occasion Hitler's repeated rantings about the malevolent influence of Christianity and sent the wrong signals to Party activists"
Anyway, again Hitler forced Wagner to get undo his order because of the public outcry, not because he was personally offended. "Mass meetings in village halls....could not be ignored"
@ihaveadesk1 Either way you should provide the facts more clearly. You have gone from the nazi's secularized schools to no they didn't but they wanted to. You have been dishonest to say the least.
@ihaveadesk1 I think its pretty obvious at this point you have an agenda to pin things on the nazi's without having the full scope whatsoever. You should maybe go get the other half of the story.
Wagner was a Nazi, they appointed him a Gauleiter and he was acting in his capacity as Gauleiter when he secularized the schools. Hitler was later dispeased with the effects, and got mad at him, it doesn't mean Wagner was no longer a Nazi. He remained Gauleiter till his stroke, and was awarded Nazi Germany's highest honor when he died.
You were right about time magazine making a mistake about Hitler personally ordering it, but it was still done by a Nazi.
@ihaveadesk1 You shouldn't have even bothered typing that, it is one of the most illogical things I have ever read. That is like saying Americans rape and kill babies just because one of their Sargents went mental and did it it Vietnam.
That is a bad comparison because most people are born American, they don't choose to become one. The Nazis appointed Wagner Gauleiter.
Also, you are forgetting that it appears, according to Kershaw, that Wagner took notice of Bormann's anti-Christian attitude, who in turn took cues from Hitler's, "repeated rantings about the malevolent influence of Christianity". It wasn't something Wagner just did because he was a loose cannon
@ihaveadesk1 Yea I meant the American gov't obviously. I would like to see where Kershaw got those claims, it seems nothing but speculation. The entire thing is speculation. I'm sure people who are a part of the American gov't have done lots of horrible things they weren't punished for. Either way Wagner did it on his own accord most likely, he didn't have the authority.
"Either way Wagner did it on his own accord most likely, he didn't have the authority."
Obviously he wasn't able to annoy Hitler, but Wagner was Gauleiter of Gau München, answerable only to the Reichsleiter Martin Bormann (a militant atheist) and Hitler himself, so he had a great deal of autonomy as those two were busy with other things unless things in his Gau got way out of hand.
"So Hitler's most famous biographer was just a propagandist too?"
How come when you insisted on ME using historians, you think its ok for YOU to use someone who was formally trained as a writer (among other things like drama)? Kershaw on the other hand, was formally trained in historical methods. And why do you take for granted what he writes is true, while questioning what Kershaw writes? Kershaw's writing is far more consistent with what was revealed in the Nuremberg Trials
@ihaveadesk1 Toland won a Pulitzer prize, his biography of Hitler has 5 stars on Amazon and is praised by nearly all historians. I think he knew what he was talking about.
I meant allowed, not able in: "Obviously he wasn't able"
to continue my other part about Kershaw, I point you to Papen blaming the concordat violation specifically on Hitler "Papen maintains that his actions regarding the Church were sincere, and he has asserted, during interrogations, that it was Hitler who sabotaged the Concordat."
As well as Hitler's approval of the Nazi anti-Church policies both in German and abroad. And the Reich Protestant Church and Positive Christianity
@ihaveadesk1 I mean shit man the Vatican had turned on him in 1944, the Italians were useless, Catholics weren't even the majority in Germany not that it mattered since he was dictator. I would love to know what you think he still had to gain by being fervently Christian until he died.
@ihaveadesk1 Can I ask you why Bormann and Himmler didn't play this little game of pretending to be Christian that you think Hitler was playing? Why were they openly anti-Christian? What do you think Hitler was gaining from pretending to be Catholic until his death? Would it really have mattered if he had just told them he wasn't in 1944?
The Pulitzer prize is for the quality of your writing, not your historical accuracy. And it is judged by journalistic and writing experts, not historians.
And what historians praised it? The reviews that I have seen from experts in that period of German history that I have seen, said things like, “[This] book does have a number of problems readily apparent to the historian familiar with the scholarly literature. But the author pulls no punches about [Nazi] evil.."
Cont.: "Hitler's attitude toward the Jews and extermination..., but in this as in most other areas, there are numerous errors. It is probably more useful to indicate categories of [errors] rather than listing a great many... G. L. Weinberg
"It seems difficult to see why anyone should read [this book]. Yet it will sell because Hitler sells, and meanwhile historians still await proper exploitation of the vast archives which could provide an adequate portrait.” G. L. Mosse
You can see on page 95-96 in Speer's book, Inside the 3rd Reich, that Hitler continued to want the churches to be useful to him, even after the failure of Muller
Hitler didn't like Himmler's occultism either, "What nonesense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now he wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! "
In fact, on page 95-96, you can see that though the Nazis and SS were having "vast numbers" Hitler's "followers" leave the church, he specifically had the leaders, "above all Goerring and Goebbels to remain members.." "He too would remain..., he said, although he had no real attachment to it."
If Hitler really cared about his Church, would he have allowed "Positive Xianity" to be created directly to oppose "Negative Xtianity"
@ihaveadesk1 Okay, so you are going to quote Speer who said he believed Hitler remained a Christian until he died, even though he wasn't really attached to it?
He remained in the church, as opposed to the vast numbers of Nazis who went through the leaving process. It is not as simple as in the US where you just stop going (which Hitler had done since WWI, if not before). Just like in Sweden, few people are very religious (2% go to weekly services), but most belong to its church (70%).
@ihaveadesk1 Earlier you told me that the Nazi's signed the Concordat so they could boost themselves politically but they didn't sign it until after the takeover of power when Hitler became chancellor, he was appointed chancellor in January of 33' and didn't sign the Concordat until Nov, so the argument you gave fails.
@ihaveadesk1 Although the Concordat did disban the Catholic Center Party as a provision Hitler had already been given complete legislative power over the German gov't by the enabling act. There was no threat to his political future in any way from any party at that point.
While you are correct that he had used the Enabling Act for dissolving rival political parties before the concordat was signed, in fact Hitler agreed that the presidency would be left alone, and he had promised the Centre Party would not be suppressed in return for their support of the Enabling Act, so he went to look for a backdoor. Of course, he was not honest, so he made a two pronged attack on the Center Party: both trying to get it dissolved by the Catholic Church
in return for signing the terms protecting the rights of the Church in the Reichskonkordat, and by using the Enabling Act to prevent new parties from being created. Prolonged time abroad negotiating the concordat led the leader of the Centre Party, Kass, to resign and he was replaced. On July 6th, the Centre Party dissolved itself to allow the concordat to proceed; on July 14th, the creation of new political parties was outlawed. On July 20, the concordat was signed.
The dissolving the party was controversial. To quote Bosworth's "Oxford Handbook of Facism", "Pacelli has been criticized for being 'overeager' to negotiate the Reichskonkordat, and callously sacrificing the Centre Party, and therefore German democracy in the bargain. 7 In reality, Pius XI was the driving force..."(p171-72).
Catholics in Germany wanted to ensure the concordat was signed to prevent another kulturkampf, this time with the Nazi government
@ihaveadesk1 Wouldn't have mattered anyway by 34' when Hitler made himself Fuhrer. Really didn't matter after the Enabling Act, they pretty much handed the whole thing over right then.
@ihaveadesk1 Have you ever seen 'Hitler's Letters and Notes' which are copies of his own private handwritten notes that show he believed the bible to be mankinds greatest history and cites the bible as a prominent reason for his racism and even political ideology?
@ihaveadesk1 This was written in his 30's before he was into politics.
"The Bible-- Monumental History of Mankind, with the "Children of God and Men", "Basic Race law," "First people's history (based on) the race law" and "Eternal course of History," all under the subset of The Bible-- Monumental History of Mankind.
@ihaveadesk1 That didn't answer my question as to why Hitler let them openly maintain an anti-Christian persona. If he was playing this game you believe then why wouldn't he just tell them straight up that he was lying and they might as well do it with him?
Anyway it is similar to how in the US, just because the top army staff, and commander and chief were angered after the Abu Ghraib incident, it still doesn't change the fact that the incident wasn't done by the US Army.
And as it says in Kershaw's book, Hitler wanted [and with good reason] to wait to deal with the churches, not that he never wanted to take them on.
You can see in Papen's trial he blamed Hitler himself on "sabotag[ing] the concordat"
@ihaveadesk1 Who says propaganda doesn't work eh? Time actually succeeded in fooling the American people that the Nazi's weren't Christian so we could demonize them. Time magazine as a source, you really are a card. What's next, citing gov't propaganda films?
This video is very biased and misleading, omitting all facts against the agenda.
Hitler was only confirmed against his wishes because of his mother according to Hitlers Gott. And it completely neglects to mention that he stopped attending church as soon as he left home
To quote the Vatican, "...if National Socialism is a Christian movement, then how is it explained that in 1933 nearly all the Catholic youth in Germany was being taught in Catholic schools, whereas now these schools are closed?"
@ihaveadesk1 Hitler told people that God saved him from death in a bunker during WW1 and where are you getting that he was confirmed against his wishes, that is complete bullshit along with pretty much everything else you typed. If you ever read Mein Kamph you would know he read and studied the Bible more than most priests do. He also had 100 books on Jesus in his personal library when he died that he had read many times.
UNDERNEATH NAZI and KKK costumes are GOOSE-STEPPING CHRISTIANS here is a NEAT trick folks get a BUDDHIST to do the GOOSE-STEP? FACTS Christians loath: FRANCO got his judeao christians troops to do the GOOSE-STEP MUSSOLINI got his judeao christians troops to do the GOOSE-STEP HITLER got his judeao christians troops to do the GOOSE-STEP SHOW ME A BUDDHIST WHO DOES GOOSESTEP? THE JUDEAO-CHRISTIANS SHOULD LEARN HOW TO MEDITATE like the Buddha OR learn to swirl and twirl like a SUFI IGNORANCE
i wish you people just open your dam eyes and accept the facts, hilter was a christian, he converted everyone in germany to christianity, he went around throwing countless people into death camps (jews, blacks, etc)
what more he wrote a book which pritty much gives solid evidence that he was a very supernatual man
(ps) if hilter was an atheist then the 2nd world war may not have happened and all you nazi would be happy, rich and stuff
"he converted everyone in germany to christianity"
What are you talking about??? He couldn't even manage to "convert" his fellow Nazi leaders who "basically, uncompromisingly antireligious" as historian Eugene Davidson put it. And 18% of all Polish clergy died in concentration camps during the war. And I won't even get into the Kirchenkampf.
It absolutely is. You might lose your mind and start believing in ghosts and sky wizards. Or you might be convinced that human sacrifice is an act of mercy and justice.
@rkyeun My church dont beleave that human sacrifice is an act of mercy. Ive been going there for 7 years now and they never done any such thing and yes we beleave in a Ghost ad that would be the Holy Ghost. For myself, I have thought a little on the spirits in the other world existing cause my uncle lives in a house that use to be a funeral home and I think there's something in that house especially the basement. There are no sky wizards either and Ive not losed my mind.
@rkyeun We dont sacrifice humans. I know jesus was crucified but he did it so wecould be set free. That doesn't meen that we do that stuff today. Things have changed quit a bit.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ... that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."ADOLF HITLER
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolph Hitler and Heinrich Himmler sent memos to the SS stating that Jesus was the bastard son of a Jewish whore and that all the crucifixs in France were to be destroyed.
Also the Nazis deported thousands of priests and pastors to Concentration camps and brutally tortured and worked them to death.
Hitler is a Christian the same way Chinese buffets help you lose weight.
Hiter who in his adult life did not believe in God and tried to make the German people worship him instead of Jesus?
This is a fringe theory which has been debunked by all serious historians- and it IS a pathetic tactic to demonize Christians and perpetuate the big lie that every death in the world is because of organized religion.
*Facepalm* If you'd only read the descriptionyou would see this message: "I am NOT trying to demonize christians with this video. I just display historical facts to try and prevent further confussion about this issue."
Besides, are you blind? I lay some pretty damn concrete evidence on the table here. Undeniable evidence in fact. Please do come up with an explenation for all these catholic tendencies during Hitlers reign wich doesn't involve some whacky conspiracy theories.
I read your description, and I don't really buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but whenever I see this argument, it seems the only purpose of that discussion in the first place is to further the debate of whether or not religion is bad for the world.
Like I say before, you can't really trust Hitler's public comments, because he was obviously a man willing to do anything to win the people over or to help his agenda.
The opinion of Cardinal Faulhaber, Archbishop of Munich after a 3 hour long interview with Hitler in 1936, "The Reich Chancellor undoubtedly believes in God. He recognizes Christianity as the builder of western culture."
Hitler in 1934, "National Socialism neither opposes the church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity."
and many, many more. Hitler, Nazism and the Swastika were all Christian.
More quotations: Hitler: 1922, "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." 1933, "We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." 1941 to General Gerhart Engel, "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
These are not the declarations of an unbeliever. I expect the standard "He wasn't a REAL Christian" reply, so you don't need to bother.
Do you think in an interview with a cardinal, the leader of a country roughly half Catholic and half Protestant would let himself appear to be anti-Christian? The Cardinal obviously wasn't in his inner circle, and an interview, like speeches, are comments made in the public record. Hitler was a politician and a demagogue trying to win over the people's support- how can you really trust what he says in public forums while ignoring his contempt for religion in private discussion?
@Albyiscool Say what you like, Hitler espoused Christianity and was supported by the Christians of all sects, both Protestant and Catholic. The soldiers who ran the concentration camps were Christians, in fact anti-Semitism itself has a long history in Christian belief and culture. Hitler pitched his whole enterprise as the crusade of Western Christianity against Godless Bolshevism, just like your favorite pres and his 'Evil Empire'. Hitler objected to Paul's teachings, not Jesus's.
"say what you like" - is that code for "I'm going to ignore every point you make"?
And in what sense were the people who ran concentration camps Christians first and Nazis second? To what degree were they Christians and in what way did that make the Holocaust a flaw of Christianity rather than National Socialism? Stalin was an atheist supported by atheists, so does that suddenly mean that his flaws are flaws of atheism itself? You would not think so.
@Albyiscool Christianity was central to Nazi ideology. You couldn't be a Party Member and not be a Christian. What the leadership might have thought was irrelevant to its day to day operation by believing Christians. Christianity has always been anti-Semitic, this isn't a new phenomenon dreamed up in the 20th century. The first slaughter to called a 'holocaust' was in 12 cent. England under Richard I. Hitler's Germany, home of Protestantism, was the most Christian country in Europe.
Anti-semitism transcends religion- there have been anti semites from many different religions and even from those without religion.
"irrelevant"? Please. The leadership was arguably the most important thing to focus on. Remember that THEY ultimately controlled the party and they used it bring more people into the party. So maybe they would use Christianity to broaden its appeal, but I think you would be hard pressed to find exactly WHAT Christian ideals the Nazis embraced.
@Albyiscool All those who persecute the Jews are either Christians or Muslims. This is seen not only in history but also in the present day. And when you get down to mass movements the personal opinions of the leaders don't matter, what matters is the beliefs and opinions of their followers. An ideology requires believing followers to do the dirty work, whether it's burning heretics, robbing and enslaving entire cultures or poisoning men, women, children and babies with Zyklon.
Jews have been persecuted literally everywhere they have gone. Christians in Europe and Arabs in the Middle East are two examples. But there are also those who persecute for purely political reasons. Nazis did it, but so did the Soviets (who were atheists) and various political groups ranging from capitalists, communists and monarchists. To say only TWO religions are capable of all that is to oversimplify and ignore history
& who constitutes "followers" in this case? ALL Germans?
@Albyiscool They have never been persecuted in, for example, India. They weren't persecuted in the Soviet Union, Marx was a Jew, they were denied, just as every other Soviet citizen, the right to emigrate. The Tsar and the Orthodox Church organised their persecution. Do check your history before you start spouting baseless opinion, sorry, I forgot, that's all you have to offer. And I have no sympathy for the USSR or its policies toward its citizens so don't start calling me a Commie.
Good reason for that: there aren't many Jews in India, surprisingly enough. Jews WERE persecuted in the Soviet Union- not only for being Jewish, but because communists saw them as a symbol of capitalism. They also persecuted ANYONE with religious views. Some Soviet leaders condemned antisemitism only to turn around and arrest Jews as "spies"
Obviously you don't support the USSR, but you see the effect it has? That's basically what you are trying to say with Nazis and Christians
@Albyiscool You're wrong in everything you say. Jews were never persecuted in India because India has always been a multi-faith society. Its polytheism supports many different gods, people worship a whole pantheon, so Yahweh, Allah and Jesus were regarded as forms of worship and were never persecuted. That's not to say that Hinduism is any better. Jews weren't persecuted in the Islamic Caliphate, they were allowed to build synagogues and participate in economic and social life.
But the Indians are not averse to having religious wars with the Muslims in Pakistan?
Is your suggestion that we should become polytheists in order to stop all persecution (because polytheists never persecuted Jews or Christians...especially not in Rome).
@Albyiscool India is in dispute with Pakistan, they aren't at war, if they were it would be nuclear. I am merely pointing out that India is one country among many non-Christian countries where Jews weren't persecuted. The Romans and the ancient Greeks were equal opportunity persecutors, although Alexander the Great made a special dispensation to Jews. Persecution of the Jews is endemic to Christianity and now to Islam as well.
They have come close- and that does not even take into account the terrorist attacks between groups in the two countries.
In either case, anti semitism is widespread- it is not exclusive to religion, Christianity or even Nazism, So trying to link Hitler to Christianity via Nazism does not make sense.
I won't get into a religious debate with you by taking that inflammatory bait.
Just because someone claims they are this or that,whether Catholic priest or not,doesn't mean God Almighty sees them that way.God sees the very heart of each & every person.We may think we are pleasing to God & may be decieving ourselves.On the other hand,our actions should call us out on all counts.Hitler I believe was decieved by Satan,maybe he knew it,maybe he didn't.Only God knows for sure.
sweet161402 4 days ago
Hitler was a Catholic not a Christian,if you cant differenciate between these two then it proves to me that you are historicaly and theologicaly ignorant
SonofJaphet 1 month ago
@SonofJaphet
You can't be for real right? LMAO :,D
TheSandreGuy 1 month ago
@TheSandreGuy
ALL YOU GAVE ME A QUOTES
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
Oh, so quotes are not good enough? You want to read the ENTIRE Mein Kampf, uh? Please be my guest. Here it is available online: gutenberg . net . au / ebooks02 / 0200601 . txt
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
hold on.let me pm you
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
Yeah, if simply being raised Christian makes someone a Christian, then so is doggins and hitchens. Oops, he's dead. He "was" a Christian by those nutty standards.
In reality, only those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are Christians, regardless of upbringing or false labels.
Somehow I don't think that Jesus of Nazareth, who was a PACIFIST JEW, would advocate the violent genocide of the Jewish people -- let's get some frikkin' perspective here, you jackasses. LOL
1GodOnlyOne 2 months ago
Be careful of half-truths - you might have the wrong half. Just as there are two sides to every coin, so likewise there is more than one-side to Hitler. There is so much more about him you're neglecting, that your half-truths aren't really true at all. The real truth of the matter is Hitler was neither Christian or atheist. Hitler was a clever racist, fascist, & lunatic. Hitler doesn't even come close to fitting the description of being a Christian. His life gave no evidence of it.
BT3701 2 months ago
@BT3701
He was a devout catholic his entire life, deal with it.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy LOL - And you believe that Catholics are Christian's - now that's the funniest thing I've heard today.
BT3701 2 months ago
@BT3701
Yes they are. In fact Protestantism stems from Catholicism.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
No it doesn't they claim it but it isn't
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Yep. He was a devout Catholic alright, and he was doing exactly what Catholicism told him to do which was to kill all of the Jews.
Yep. That's a devout Catholic if I ever saw one.
Just like how David Koresh was a devout Christian.
*roles eyes*
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
He, like the catholic church at the time blaimed the jews for killing jesus, and that they were descendants of the devil. Learn your history.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Oh well that certainly proves that Hitler was a Catholic and a Christian.
Open and shut.
PS. I know history and I also understand it. You know your history as well, but you certainly don't understand it.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
I certainly understand my history, and unlike you I can accept it for what it is.
PS.
How many Sock-accounts do you have really?
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Really? You understand history huh?
So tell me. When you take all of Hitlers actions that were done in the name of Christianity and then you ignore all of the things he did in the name of evolution and NOT in the name of Christianity, is what you consider to be a firm grasp on history?
The "Hitler was a Christian" thing is very common among the Christian haters circle. You make a nice fit.
What is a "Sock-account"?
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
Hitler was a creationist, and the Nazi Regime burned all books about evolution. How ignorant are you really?
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Oh yep. That absolutely proves it. That absolutely proves that Hitler was a Christan.
If you ignore his thoughts about eugenics, evolution, and many other things he also thought about other races, that is.
Are you beginning to see a pattern here?
I thought you would be smart enough to see the pattern already?
Shall we keep going?
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
Yes, It's proven that Hitler is a christian, and that the Nazi Regime was founded on catholic dogma.
You do realize that eugenics is pretty damn common? When people breed dogs they rely on the principles of eugenics, for example. Eugenics doesn't have any connection to evolutionairy theory. You can reject the concept of evolution (which Hitler did) and still accept the principles of eugenics.
The only pattern I see is of your bullshit that you and your sock-accounts post.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
"It's proven that Hitler is a christian"
LOL. No sorry buddy.
Those are known as "weasel words". It hasn't been proven.
I never claimed that there is a connection between evolution and eugenics, but Hitler dabbled in both, as well as Catholicism.
If by "sock-accounts" you mean multiple accounts, the answer is no. I only have one account.
Sounds like you have been defeated and you are in panic mode. You are lashing out with wild accusations, because you know I'm right.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
No, they are not weasel words, it's the truth you ignoramus.
No, Hitler was a creationist. Why do you think the Nazis banned books teaching evolution? Man, you're thick.
I find it highly suspicious how it comes that all of a sudden during a couple of days this video has been bombarded with 10x more comments than usual, all equally ignorant.
Panic Mode? More like laughing mode XD
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Simply denying what I am saying doesn't make it the truth. Nor does it convince anyone else that you are right.
Everything you are saying is anecdotal and you are ignoring all the other information about Hitler. Your hatred of Christians is showing.
The Nazis banned many types of books. The only thick one here is you.
I came here because I followed someone whom I am subscribed to. The others probably did the same.
Dismissal is the first sign of defeat.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
*Sigh* Sad, just so very sad.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Your right. It is very sad. It's very sad when people like yourself pick and choose things from history and ignore other information in order to slander the people you hate the most.
It's funny because this is one of the things that you and your friends hate about Christians.
You think you have accomplished something but you really haven't. Least of all proving Hitler was a Christian.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans
Haha, You mean it's funny how Religious Zealots like you pick and choose things you accept as truth.
Throughout this entire exchange you haven't provided any single empirically proven historical proof of Hitler not being christian. Yet, you act all arrogant and "Holier than thou" towards me?!
I wasn't sure first but now I'm certain, you're a troll.
Fuck it, you're blocked and being put on my list of people I will pawn in a future video.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
Fail.look at my channel it refutes his claims
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
Oh wow... You're pathetic.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
really so you didn't even look at the video ?
you seem pathetic.
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
Altogether Hitler’s killing machine murdered 5 million Jews, and 7 million Christians — a little published fact that caused Jewish historian Max Dimont to declare that “the world blinded itself to the murder of Christians” by Nazi Germany (Dimont, 1994, pp. 391-392). In Poland alone 881 Catholic priests were annihilated (Azar, 1990, p. 154). In time many more priests would end up in concentration camps
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
You're probably one of the most deluded people I've ever met online.
The cross is not a pagan symbol.
People who were put in concentration camps were: SIX million Jews, and FIVE million dissidents, homosexuals, retards, crippled, union-officials, collectivists, socialists, syndicalists, Liberals, Libertarians and traitors, the majority of which were christian (Protestants), but they weren't killed specifically for their christianity.
Not all my quotes are from 1922, WTF?
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Really ?
Dachau concentration camp held the largest number of Catholic priests — over 2,400 — in the Nazi camp system. They came from about 24 nations, and included parish priests and prelates, monks and friars, teachers and missionaries. Over one third of the priests in Dachau alone were killed (Lenz, 2004). One Dachau survivor, Fr. Johannes Lenz, wrote an account of the Catholic holocaust.
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
They were all dissidents of the Nazi-regime, again they were NOT killed for their specific religion.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
like i said the pin's
With GOD with us are pagan watch my video and you will see
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
Thanks I needed a good laugh.
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
i see you still have check out my video refuting your claims
are you a punk ?
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
I see you're still commenting when there's nothing more to be said.
Are you a troll?
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
Like i said "More documents that prove Nazi's planned to "eliminate Christianity and convert its followers to an Aryan philosophy" are now on the online version of Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion "
How can you refute that ?
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
How can I take that seriously?
TheSandreGuy 2 months ago
@TheSandreGuy
you do know a Muslims leader took pictures with the pope right ?
so they must be Christian ?
Your fundie logic
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@Andytheantiathiest
And your pin badges are of pagan origin . again your a liar
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
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A quote about Hitler’s stance on Christianity from Alfred Rosenberg “He had never allowed a member of the clergy to a Party meeting or to the burial of a member of the Party. The Judeo-Christian plague was now heading towards its end. He said it was downright horrifying that a religion could ever have been possible which literally gobbled up its God in communion.”
Das politische Tagebuch Alfred Rosenbergs 1934-1935 und 1939-1940 p. 97. Christian Action for Israel
NeonPenDragon 3 months ago
The Nazis were not Christian, they used this as a cover up. It was well known that they were involved in the occult.
Please do your research before you produce any videos.
wwwdot666BlackSundotcom ->information about Hitler.
GahdeMalprigi1488x 6 months ago
@GahdeMalprigi1488x
I have done my research. Do you have any solid evidence to back up your claims?
TheSandreGuy 6 months ago
Flagging for lying
Deathbyomega 6 months ago
@Deathbyomega
How am I lying?
TheSandreGuy 6 months ago
Hitler was definitely not a Christian, by his deeds and actions and hatred towards Jews and Israel.
EmilyGreene1984 6 months ago
Not only did you not prove your point, you showed your lack of understanding the issue. Read through the OSS documents yourself. Instead of parsing out his quotes on a creator why not show the times he said he hated the christian faith? Review the O.S.S. report entitled “The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches.”"Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders."
jfrontier1 8 months ago
Just a little historical reminder: 50 millions Christians (Europeans, Russians & Americans) died during WW2.
chemerich 10 months ago
@chemerich
So? They were soldiers in battle.
TheSandreGuy 10 months ago
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@TheSandreGuy
"They were soldiers in battle"
Many were, but what does it change ?. Aren't they still human beings ?.
chemerich 10 months ago
@chemerich You forgot Germans in your list of christian soldiers dying in WW2, and your point is still moot.
Atchuu2004 4 months ago
@Atchuu2004
Germans are Europeans, I didn't forget them.
chemerich 4 months ago
@Atchuu2004
My point is not moot. Calling yourself Christian, Muslim, Jewish, capitalist, communist or whatever, doesn't really mean anything to others.
chemerich 4 months ago
what if holocaust is a lie?
TheTerrurist 10 months ago
First the holocaust was not a Christian deed.secondly the holocaust even if it was does not reflex Christianity.and thirdly even if Adolfo hitler was a Christian why does it even matter.
GamemasterRing 1 year ago
It does,are you aware that christians use the Hitler was an atheist to bash atheism and say how bad its for the humanity?
What did Hitler put on the belts of his soldiers?God mit uns -God with Us.
It does not matter if he is speaking for the Jufeo-christian God or Alien God, the perspective that he used any God to fund his actions are proof on how much can religion go by its extremes.
crissxxx 1 year ago
@crissxxx
"he used any God to fund his actions are proof on how much can religion go by its extremes."
But the actions of the millions-strong League of the Militant Godless in the USSR show that atheists are by no means immune. Furthermore, many atheists were attracted to the Nazi party, even the Head of the Party Party Chancellery, and Hitler's personally secretary, Martin Bormann was an atheist, so lack of religion by no means provided a defense against Nazi beliefs.
afeeder 11 months ago
Hitler's secretary but not Hitler.
crissxxx 11 months ago
@crissxxx
Hitler initially tried to reorganize the religions under Rosenberg's Positive Christianity as well as German Christian ideas. This was not as successful as he hoped and when Hanns Kerrl, his Reichminister of Church Affairs died, he was not replaced. The SS encouraged (and more) Nazis to leave their churches and large amounts complied. The top 3 years for church leaving in Germany since records began in the 1880s are (in order from 1-3) 1939, 1937, and 1938.
afeeder 11 months ago
Hitler Youth was led by atheists Artur Axeman and Baldur von Schirach and Hitler's first violation of the concordat (only weeks after signing it) was trying to get Catholics to go there instead of to Catholic youth organizations (eventually Hitler made their attendance mandatory), yet at 1:55-2:14 this guy tries to make it seem as if they were a Christian group. Wow, truth means nothing to him
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
4:51 IS PLAIN LIES. THIS SHOWS THAT THE VIDEO MAKER DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TRAGEDY OF THE HOLOCAUST, ONLY PROPAGANDA. HE IS EXPLOITING THE HOLOCAUST AS A TOOL FOR ATHEIST ADVOCACY!!!
Lets talk about those atheists and pagans who were "murdered" by the Nazis for their beliefs. Do you mean atheists like Martin Bormann who was made Hitler's personal secretary and head of the Party Chancellery? Axemann or Schirach who were in charge of Hitler Youth? Or pagans like Himmler who LED THE HOLOCAUST?
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
Bwahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
TheSandreGuy 1 year ago
@TheSandreGuy
Silly me, thinking you would have some evidence to back up your fringe theories. I see you are relying on the appeal to ridicule fallacy instead. I guess this video is only made to convince people who believe everything they see on the internet (at least everything anti-Christian).
Wow, way to "exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today." as Rabbi D. Dalin put it.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
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adrenacrumb 1 year ago
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@ihaveadesk1 No sorry better repost that lol
Listen man, Hitler's most famous biographer, John Toland, said Hitler was a Christian. You are the one trying to change the most popular held view of history here.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 According to biographer John Toland, Hitler was still "a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God—so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty."
So Hitler's most famous biographer was just a propagandist too?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
The worst thing about this video is it pretends to be trying to educate people, but is instead propaganda (which also explains the lack of sources for many claims.
1:21 , Hitler did not work closely to those ends. The Nazis started the PROTESTANT Reich church and Positive Christianity (as opposed to "negative Christianity" like Protestantism and Catholicism. And Hitler sent thousands of Polish priests to concentration camps. He also secularized the major Catholic schools.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
Continued:
And closed the major Polish seminaries to prevent the priests from being replaced and made people join Hitler Youth instead of their Catholic youth organizations (See Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression) So his goal was obviously not converting people to Catholicism.
Gott mit Uns was already used as a Prussian military motto for centuries, it was not something new the Nazis brought in. The German mother program was to create lots of Aryans, it was not a religious program
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
Continued 2:
Schlatgeter was a devout Catholic, but he died before the Nazi party even existed. He was only adopted by the Nazis because he was a German war hero.
And like Gott mit Uns, crosses had been German military decorations for many centuries. It was not something created by the Nazis.
2:39 Another misleading part. Abortions were only forbidden for healthy Aryans, they were first legalized in Poland by the Nazis, and often forced upon Jews, Slavs, and the disabled.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 To claim Hitler was only using Christianity as a platform and trying to push him as far away from it shows your agenda because the man was obviously well versed in Christian doctrine. You seem to only be covering for the Catholic Church but they did things in their history against the Jews that made Hitler look like an amateur. They had spent the prior 2000 years killing Jews and terrorizing the planet.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
I was giving facts about mistakes in the video, while you respond with the ad hominem circumstantial fallacy and some hyperbole about the Catholic church being worse than Hitler for persecuting Jews. Give evidence if this is so. What did the Catholics do that was worse than the holocaust
And you seem to think that all Christianity is Catholic. Just because you read a bible doesn't mean you work for the Vatican. The popular "On Jews and the Lies" was written by Martin Luther
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Well, first you pulled the idea Hitler was forced to be baptized directly out of your ass. Secondly, when the hell did they secularize schools, Hitler didn't seem to think they were secularized. You say he stopped going to church as soon as he left home but attending church isn't what makes you Christian. Like I said he had 100 books on Jesus in his personal library and had read them all and made notes, he studied Christianity more than most priests.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
"Well, first you pulled the idea Hitler was forced to be baptized directly out of your ass."
Firstly, Hitler was baptized as an infant, of course it was forced. I said confirmed, and I did not make that up, it comes from "Hitlers Gott" by historian Michael Rissman. I already gave the source, you need to read more carefully before making such assumptions, especially in such a crude manner.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
continued:
As for the secularization of the schools, Hitler was not an honest man, he pretended to be against secularization to get the Concordat signed, then once it was signed, "the Nazi conspirators almost immediately commenced a series of violations of the Concordat..." (Nuremberg Trial Transcripts)
You can see the evidence in history books, the Nuremberg Trial transcripts, Vatican protests, as well as contemporary news reports and Vatican protests.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Hahahaha wait did you just say Hitler was the one who wanted to get the Concordat signed? Why on earth would Hitler want to sign the Concordat, it was the Catholics who went to him with the Concordat.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
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Here is a comptemporary report from Time Magazine for example: "Last week on the Führer's orders Bavarian Minister of Interior Adolf Wagner closed every Catholic public school in Bavaria, fired 670 teachers, secularized 966 schools. This was in flagrant violation of the Nazi Concordat with the Vatican" From "Cross & Swastika" 1937 "Time"
(keep in mind Barvaria was the Catholic part of Germany, as opposed to Protestant Prussia)
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Yea I think I've encountered you under a different name here because you are using the exact same arguments they did. Time magazine back then was biased. Adolf Wagner was DEMOTED by Hitler for trying to take crosses out of Bovarian schools. Try giving me another source that Time and explain why Hitler demoted him.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 "Wagner angered Adolf Hitler in 1941 when he insisted on removing crucifixes from Bavarian classrooms, which outraged the Roman Catholic Church and the general public. The opposition to this move was so strong Wagner was forced to rescind the order, one of the rare circumstances of successful public opposition in Nazi Germany."
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
Hitler was eventually angered with the resulting outcry, not the removal itself. See, "A HAMBURG CHILDHOOD: THE EARLY LIFE OF HERBERT BERNSTEIN" "Despite repeated warnings from Hitler that the time was NOT YET ripe for open conflict with the Churches,150 Wagner seized on encouragement from others in the Party hierarchy, especially Martin Bormann, to initiate an assault on the Catholic Church in Bavaria." (emphasis mine) by Paul H. Haagen.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
"Why on earth would Hitler want to sign the Concordat, it was the Catholics who went to him with the Concordat."
Hitler wanted it to get rid of the Catholic Center party which opposed his Nazi ideas, and threatened to get more votes than the Nazis. Look at his demands in the Concordat.
And you didn't say why the Catholics wanted the Concordat, it was to prevent Nazis from discriminating against Catholic worship, as well as to prevent persecution of Catholics.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 What is Paul H Haagen's profession and where is that from?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
He is Professor of Law and Senior Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at Duke University. The article was published in the "Duke Journal of Comparative and International Law ". Check his sources for the statements, they were historians.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Can you tell me what historians and why you would bother quoting a Law professor instead of an historian? I don't see he has any sources.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
You click on the number following the statement, like wikipedia. The source is "NEMESIS" by Sir Ian Kershaw. Guess what Sir Ian was knighted for? Are you going to try a ad hominem argument against him?
As for how Hitler treated the Catholics, see "The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945" by J.S. Conway
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Yea that order wasn't from Hitler, he claimed it was from Bormann even though there isn't confirmation of that. It says so in Kershaw's book.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
That is correct with the crucifix issue, though Bormann was advocating for general action against the church because: "Most probably, [Bormann] misinterpreted on this occasion Hitler's repeated rantings about the malevolent influence of Christianity and sent the wrong signals to Party activists"
Anyway, again Hitler forced Wagner to get undo his order because of the public outcry, not because he was personally offended. "Mass meetings in village halls....could not be ignored"
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 After that it says Wagner probably acted on his own but it is speculative either way.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Either way you should provide the facts more clearly. You have gone from the nazi's secularized schools to no they didn't but they wanted to. You have been dishonest to say the least.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 I think its pretty obvious at this point you have an agenda to pin things on the nazi's without having the full scope whatsoever. You should maybe go get the other half of the story.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
Wagner was a Nazi, they appointed him a Gauleiter and he was acting in his capacity as Gauleiter when he secularized the schools. Hitler was later dispeased with the effects, and got mad at him, it doesn't mean Wagner was no longer a Nazi. He remained Gauleiter till his stroke, and was awarded Nazi Germany's highest honor when he died.
You were right about time magazine making a mistake about Hitler personally ordering it, but it was still done by a Nazi.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 You shouldn't have even bothered typing that, it is one of the most illogical things I have ever read. That is like saying Americans rape and kill babies just because one of their Sargents went mental and did it it Vietnam.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
That is a bad comparison because most people are born American, they don't choose to become one. The Nazis appointed Wagner Gauleiter.
Also, you are forgetting that it appears, according to Kershaw, that Wagner took notice of Bormann's anti-Christian attitude, who in turn took cues from Hitler's, "repeated rantings about the malevolent influence of Christianity". It wasn't something Wagner just did because he was a loose cannon
Thirdly, sergeants who kill people get arrested
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
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and court martialed when they are caught , while Wagner continued as gauleiter and was awarded the German Order upon his death.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Yea I meant the American gov't obviously. I would like to see where Kershaw got those claims, it seems nothing but speculation. The entire thing is speculation. I'm sure people who are a part of the American gov't have done lots of horrible things they weren't punished for. Either way Wagner did it on his own accord most likely, he didn't have the authority.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
"Either way Wagner did it on his own accord most likely, he didn't have the authority."
Obviously he wasn't able to annoy Hitler, but Wagner was Gauleiter of Gau München, answerable only to the Reichsleiter Martin Bormann (a militant atheist) and Hitler himself, so he had a great deal of autonomy as those two were busy with other things unless things in his Gau got way out of hand.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
"So Hitler's most famous biographer was just a propagandist too?"
How come when you insisted on ME using historians, you think its ok for YOU to use someone who was formally trained as a writer (among other things like drama)? Kershaw on the other hand, was formally trained in historical methods. And why do you take for granted what he writes is true, while questioning what Kershaw writes? Kershaw's writing is far more consistent with what was revealed in the Nuremberg Trials
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Toland won a Pulitzer prize, his biography of Hitler has 5 stars on Amazon and is praised by nearly all historians. I think he knew what he was talking about.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
I meant allowed, not able in: "Obviously he wasn't able"
to continue my other part about Kershaw, I point you to Papen blaming the concordat violation specifically on Hitler "Papen maintains that his actions regarding the Church were sincere, and he has asserted, during interrogations, that it was Hitler who sabotaged the Concordat."
As well as Hitler's approval of the Nazi anti-Church policies both in German and abroad. And the Reich Protestant Church and Positive Christianity
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 I mean shit man the Vatican had turned on him in 1944, the Italians were useless, Catholics weren't even the majority in Germany not that it mattered since he was dictator. I would love to know what you think he still had to gain by being fervently Christian until he died.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Can I ask you why Bormann and Himmler didn't play this little game of pretending to be Christian that you think Hitler was playing? Why were they openly anti-Christian? What do you think Hitler was gaining from pretending to be Catholic until his death? Would it really have mattered if he had just told them he wasn't in 1944?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
The Pulitzer prize is for the quality of your writing, not your historical accuracy. And it is judged by journalistic and writing experts, not historians.
And what historians praised it? The reviews that I have seen from experts in that period of German history that I have seen, said things like, “[This] book does have a number of problems readily apparent to the historian familiar with the scholarly literature. But the author pulls no punches about [Nazi] evil.."
Gordon R. Mork
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
Cont.: "Hitler's attitude toward the Jews and extermination..., but in this as in most other areas, there are numerous errors. It is probably more useful to indicate categories of [errors] rather than listing a great many... G. L. Weinberg
"It seems difficult to see why anyone should read [this book]. Yet it will sell because Hitler sells, and meanwhile historians still await proper exploitation of the vast archives which could provide an adequate portrait.” G. L. Mosse
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
You can see on page 95-96 in Speer's book, Inside the 3rd Reich, that Hitler continued to want the churches to be useful to him, even after the failure of Muller
Hitler didn't like Himmler's occultism either, "What nonesense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now he wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! "
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
continued:
(the previous quote was from page 94)
In fact, on page 95-96, you can see that though the Nazis and SS were having "vast numbers" Hitler's "followers" leave the church, he specifically had the leaders, "above all Goerring and Goebbels to remain members.." "He too would remain..., he said, although he had no real attachment to it."
If Hitler really cared about his Church, would he have allowed "Positive Xianity" to be created directly to oppose "Negative Xtianity"
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Okay, so you are going to quote Speer who said he believed Hitler remained a Christian until he died, even though he wasn't really attached to it?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
He remained in the church, as opposed to the vast numbers of Nazis who went through the leaving process. It is not as simple as in the US where you just stop going (which Hitler had done since WWI, if not before). Just like in Sweden, few people are very religious (2% go to weekly services), but most belong to its church (70%).
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Earlier you told me that the Nazi's signed the Concordat so they could boost themselves politically but they didn't sign it until after the takeover of power when Hitler became chancellor, he was appointed chancellor in January of 33' and didn't sign the Concordat until Nov, so the argument you gave fails.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Although the Concordat did disban the Catholic Center Party as a provision Hitler had already been given complete legislative power over the German gov't by the enabling act. There was no threat to his political future in any way from any party at that point.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
While you are correct that he had used the Enabling Act for dissolving rival political parties before the concordat was signed, in fact Hitler agreed that the presidency would be left alone, and he had promised the Centre Party would not be suppressed in return for their support of the Enabling Act, so he went to look for a backdoor. Of course, he was not honest, so he made a two pronged attack on the Center Party: both trying to get it dissolved by the Catholic Church
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
continued:
in return for signing the terms protecting the rights of the Church in the Reichskonkordat, and by using the Enabling Act to prevent new parties from being created. Prolonged time abroad negotiating the concordat led the leader of the Centre Party, Kass, to resign and he was replaced. On July 6th, the Centre Party dissolved itself to allow the concordat to proceed; on July 14th, the creation of new political parties was outlawed. On July 20, the concordat was signed.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
continued 2:
The dissolving the party was controversial. To quote Bosworth's "Oxford Handbook of Facism", "Pacelli has been criticized for being 'overeager' to negotiate the Reichskonkordat, and callously sacrificing the Centre Party, and therefore German democracy in the bargain. 7 In reality, Pius XI was the driving force..."(p171-72).
Catholics in Germany wanted to ensure the concordat was signed to prevent another kulturkampf, this time with the Nazi government
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Wouldn't have mattered anyway by 34' when Hitler made himself Fuhrer. Really didn't matter after the Enabling Act, they pretty much handed the whole thing over right then.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Have you ever seen 'Hitler's Letters and Notes' which are copies of his own private handwritten notes that show he believed the bible to be mankinds greatest history and cites the bible as a prominent reason for his racism and even political ideology?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 This was written in his 30's before he was into politics.
"The Bible-- Monumental History of Mankind, with the "Children of God and Men", "Basic Race law," "First people's history (based on) the race law" and "Eternal course of History," all under the subset of The Bible-- Monumental History of Mankind.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 That didn't answer my question as to why Hitler let them openly maintain an anti-Christian persona. If he was playing this game you believe then why wouldn't he just tell them straight up that he was lying and they might as well do it with him?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@adrenacrumb
continued:
-displeased
Anyway it is similar to how in the US, just because the top army staff, and commander and chief were angered after the Abu Ghraib incident, it still doesn't change the fact that the incident wasn't done by the US Army.
And as it says in Kershaw's book, Hitler wanted [and with good reason] to wait to deal with the churches, not that he never wanted to take them on.
You can see in Papen's trial he blamed Hitler himself on "sabotag[ing] the concordat"
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Let me give you a hint, Paul H Haagan isn't an historian of any sort whatsoever.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 You actually think Time magazine printed any truth about the nazi party during ww2? LOLOLOLOLOL great try though.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Who says propaganda doesn't work eh? Time actually succeeded in fooling the American people that the Nazi's weren't Christian so we could demonize them. Time magazine as a source, you really are a card. What's next, citing gov't propaganda films?
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
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@ihaveadesk1 The Catholics persecuted the Jews for 2000 years, are you denying that? They were professionals at it.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
This video is very biased and misleading, omitting all facts against the agenda.
Hitler was only confirmed against his wishes because of his mother according to Hitlers Gott. And it completely neglects to mention that he stopped attending church as soon as he left home
To quote the Vatican, "...if National Socialism is a Christian movement, then how is it explained that in 1933 nearly all the Catholic youth in Germany was being taught in Catholic schools, whereas now these schools are closed?"
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Hitler told people that God saved him from death in a bunker during WW1 and where are you getting that he was confirmed against his wishes, that is complete bullshit along with pretty much everything else you typed. If you ever read Mein Kamph you would know he read and studied the Bible more than most priests do. He also had 100 books on Jesus in his personal library when he died that he had read many times.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
Good video
irvinemuscles 1 year ago
islandbuoy4 1 year ago
A man without God...and a liar like this men who posted this video.
I know who is your father right now:the father of lies.You have to repent or you will go to eternal fire with your master!
You choose.
imremogheri 1 year ago
i wish you people just open your dam eyes and accept the facts, hilter was a christian, he converted everyone in germany to christianity, he went around throwing countless people into death camps (jews, blacks, etc)
what more he wrote a book which pritty much gives solid evidence that he was a very supernatual man
(ps) if hilter was an atheist then the 2nd world war may not have happened and all you nazi would be happy, rich and stuff
riotguards 1 year ago
@riotguards
"he converted everyone in germany to christianity"
What are you talking about??? He couldn't even manage to "convert" his fellow Nazi leaders who "basically, uncompromisingly antireligious" as historian Eugene Davidson put it. And 18% of all Polish clergy died in concentration camps during the war. And I won't even get into the Kirchenkampf.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
I go to church and stuff.
RayRoark2009 1 year ago
@RayRoark2009
You should probably stop that. It's a terribly dangerous psychoactive substance.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun What is? You dont meen going to church is dangerous do you?
RayRoark2009 1 year ago
@RayRoark2009
It absolutely is. You might lose your mind and start believing in ghosts and sky wizards. Or you might be convinced that human sacrifice is an act of mercy and justice.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun My church dont beleave that human sacrifice is an act of mercy. Ive been going there for 7 years now and they never done any such thing and yes we beleave in a Ghost ad that would be the Holy Ghost. For myself, I have thought a little on the spirits in the other world existing cause my uncle lives in a house that use to be a funeral home and I think there's something in that house especially the basement. There are no sky wizards either and Ive not losed my mind.
RayRoark2009 1 year ago
@RayRoark2009
Well then I apologize for the false characterization. I should have asked instead of making a statement.
Do you believe that God sending his son to suffer for your sins is a moral act of mercy and justice as many Christians do?
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun I believe that God sent his son to die on the cross for our sins so we wouldnt have to die.
RayRoark2009 1 year ago
@RayRoark2009
That's human sacrifice.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun We dont sacrifice humans. I know jesus was crucified but he did it so wecould be set free. That doesn't meen that we do that stuff today. Things have changed quit a bit.
RayRoark2009 1 year ago
@RayRoark2009
So you admit that the human sacrifice of Jesus is immoral at least.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun Oh yea, My church was a former elementary school were a school shooting acured and several people were killed and they had the funeral there.
RayRoark2009 1 year ago
@RayRoark2009
I'm sorry for your loss.
rkyeun 1 year ago
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"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ... that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."ADOLF HITLER
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
If hitler was a Christian he wouldnt have killed Gods people, he prolly belived in god But dat dont make him christian
Soldierd95 1 year ago
Adolph Hitler and Heinrich Himmler sent memos to the SS stating that Jesus was the bastard son of a Jewish whore and that all the crucifixs in France were to be destroyed.
Also the Nazis deported thousands of priests and pastors to Concentration camps and brutally tortured and worked them to death.
Hitler is a Christian the same way Chinese buffets help you lose weight.
mainestategop 1 year ago
Hiter who in his adult life did not believe in God and tried to make the German people worship him instead of Jesus?
This is a fringe theory which has been debunked by all serious historians- and it IS a pathetic tactic to demonize Christians and perpetuate the big lie that every death in the world is because of organized religion.
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool
*Facepalm* If you'd only read the descriptionyou would see this message: "I am NOT trying to demonize christians with this video. I just display historical facts to try and prevent further confussion about this issue."
Besides, are you blind? I lay some pretty damn concrete evidence on the table here. Undeniable evidence in fact. Please do come up with an explenation for all these catholic tendencies during Hitlers reign wich doesn't involve some whacky conspiracy theories.
TheSandreGuy 1 year ago
@TheSandreGuy
I read your description, and I don't really buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but whenever I see this argument, it seems the only purpose of that discussion in the first place is to further the debate of whether or not religion is bad for the world.
Like I say before, you can't really trust Hitler's public comments, because he was obviously a man willing to do anything to win the people over or to help his agenda.
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool Then explain the following:
The opinion of Cardinal Faulhaber, Archbishop of Munich after a 3 hour long interview with Hitler in 1936, "The Reich Chancellor undoubtedly believes in God. He recognizes Christianity as the builder of western culture."
Hitler in 1934, "National Socialism neither opposes the church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity."
and many, many more. Hitler, Nazism and the Swastika were all Christian.
colourmegone 1 year ago
More quotations: Hitler: 1922, "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." 1933, "We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." 1941 to General Gerhart Engel, "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
These are not the declarations of an unbeliever. I expect the standard "He wasn't a REAL Christian" reply, so you don't need to bother.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
Do you think in an interview with a cardinal, the leader of a country roughly half Catholic and half Protestant would let himself appear to be anti-Christian? The Cardinal obviously wasn't in his inner circle, and an interview, like speeches, are comments made in the public record. Hitler was a politician and a demagogue trying to win over the people's support- how can you really trust what he says in public forums while ignoring his contempt for religion in private discussion?
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool Say what you like, Hitler espoused Christianity and was supported by the Christians of all sects, both Protestant and Catholic. The soldiers who ran the concentration camps were Christians, in fact anti-Semitism itself has a long history in Christian belief and culture. Hitler pitched his whole enterprise as the crusade of Western Christianity against Godless Bolshevism, just like your favorite pres and his 'Evil Empire'. Hitler objected to Paul's teachings, not Jesus's.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
"say what you like" - is that code for "I'm going to ignore every point you make"?
And in what sense were the people who ran concentration camps Christians first and Nazis second? To what degree were they Christians and in what way did that make the Holocaust a flaw of Christianity rather than National Socialism? Stalin was an atheist supported by atheists, so does that suddenly mean that his flaws are flaws of atheism itself? You would not think so.
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool Christianity was central to Nazi ideology. You couldn't be a Party Member and not be a Christian. What the leadership might have thought was irrelevant to its day to day operation by believing Christians. Christianity has always been anti-Semitic, this isn't a new phenomenon dreamed up in the 20th century. The first slaughter to called a 'holocaust' was in 12 cent. England under Richard I. Hitler's Germany, home of Protestantism, was the most Christian country in Europe.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
Anti-semitism transcends religion- there have been anti semites from many different religions and even from those without religion.
"irrelevant"? Please. The leadership was arguably the most important thing to focus on. Remember that THEY ultimately controlled the party and they used it bring more people into the party. So maybe they would use Christianity to broaden its appeal, but I think you would be hard pressed to find exactly WHAT Christian ideals the Nazis embraced.
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool All those who persecute the Jews are either Christians or Muslims. This is seen not only in history but also in the present day. And when you get down to mass movements the personal opinions of the leaders don't matter, what matters is the beliefs and opinions of their followers. An ideology requires believing followers to do the dirty work, whether it's burning heretics, robbing and enslaving entire cultures or poisoning men, women, children and babies with Zyklon.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
Jews have been persecuted literally everywhere they have gone. Christians in Europe and Arabs in the Middle East are two examples. But there are also those who persecute for purely political reasons. Nazis did it, but so did the Soviets (who were atheists) and various political groups ranging from capitalists, communists and monarchists. To say only TWO religions are capable of all that is to oversimplify and ignore history
& who constitutes "followers" in this case? ALL Germans?
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool They have never been persecuted in, for example, India. They weren't persecuted in the Soviet Union, Marx was a Jew, they were denied, just as every other Soviet citizen, the right to emigrate. The Tsar and the Orthodox Church organised their persecution. Do check your history before you start spouting baseless opinion, sorry, I forgot, that's all you have to offer. And I have no sympathy for the USSR or its policies toward its citizens so don't start calling me a Commie.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
Good reason for that: there aren't many Jews in India, surprisingly enough. Jews WERE persecuted in the Soviet Union- not only for being Jewish, but because communists saw them as a symbol of capitalism. They also persecuted ANYONE with religious views. Some Soviet leaders condemned antisemitism only to turn around and arrest Jews as "spies"
Obviously you don't support the USSR, but you see the effect it has? That's basically what you are trying to say with Nazis and Christians
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool You're wrong in everything you say. Jews were never persecuted in India because India has always been a multi-faith society. Its polytheism supports many different gods, people worship a whole pantheon, so Yahweh, Allah and Jesus were regarded as forms of worship and were never persecuted. That's not to say that Hinduism is any better. Jews weren't persecuted in the Islamic Caliphate, they were allowed to build synagogues and participate in economic and social life.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
But the Indians are not averse to having religious wars with the Muslims in Pakistan?
Is your suggestion that we should become polytheists in order to stop all persecution (because polytheists never persecuted Jews or Christians...especially not in Rome).
Albyiscool 1 year ago
@Albyiscool India is in dispute with Pakistan, they aren't at war, if they were it would be nuclear. I am merely pointing out that India is one country among many non-Christian countries where Jews weren't persecuted. The Romans and the ancient Greeks were equal opportunity persecutors, although Alexander the Great made a special dispensation to Jews. Persecution of the Jews is endemic to Christianity and now to Islam as well.
ALL religions are lies, including polytheism.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
They have come close- and that does not even take into account the terrorist attacks between groups in the two countries.
In either case, anti semitism is widespread- it is not exclusive to religion, Christianity or even Nazism, So trying to link Hitler to Christianity via Nazism does not make sense.
I won't get into a religious debate with you by taking that inflammatory bait.
Albyiscool 1 year ago