@mizofan Stuart did indeed sing this very well, I was going to add a very under rated singer but I know he is in the top bracket as far as many music lovers are concerned.
Geraint's brother, John, lived near Washington, DC and I sang with him in the WNO chorus. He was a wonderful, kind and generous person, whose carer was comparable to that of Geraint, but in musicals.
@SHICOFF1 Of course I'm not a stalker nor am I crazy. Some people cannot deal with the truth being pointed out. Tell me SHICOFF1 why it is so hard for some to deal with the fact that others like different performers than them and actually ask a civil question before the ad hoc insults and hatred is brought out. GermanOperaSinger had this guy pegged all too well didn't he!
@Melomondo so I used a j instead of a g big deal and peace was correctly spelled you moron. Ever since you came out from under your rock all you have done is throw insulting bombs about Peerce and Tucker. Yet not once have you used a rational argument based on musical considerations.
@Melomondo : I not stalking you I have a right to my opinion and I'm about to block you. Stalking would involve violating your privacy and I haven't done so. You simply do not know enough about music to argue but you can sure spew your hate. Don't bother me anymore.
I have the Mc Cormack video a film he made-- he was a handsome man and it is a good film he sings several songs. I don't know if it was ever out on DVD but is on VHS tape. Warren was in a movie also "Irish eyes are smiling" but was only a small part of it, he sang only two songs. and of course the Masini/Gobbi famous Pagliacci in 1951. Does anyone know if Ileana Contrubas died? She may have I was told . Perhaps a few years ago.
@Lovelytenor1 yes! I had forgotten about him and he was from William st. born on the same st. as Sir Gerant Evans another Welsh singer who I did hear in Luica with Deutekom and Tucker in 1970 in Chicago. Evans died sometime ago but I believe Burrows is alive, must be about 77 by now, must have been good in the aria.
Jadlowker, well Everyone should hear his ecco from Barber It's amazing and the greatest ever from Marston recordings. Yes his E Lucean in Tosca until he goes up sounds almost exactly like Caruso I have fooled Caruso fans with it. But when he goes up on top it's different and that gives it away but he was amazing.
In the 1958 interview with Allen Wagner, Bjorling himself mentions Peerce, Tucker and Bergonzi as singers at the met he liked. He also liked Merrill especially well . Everyone has different opinions on voice, some love Bocelli in opera.
@shiicoff1 There will always be flash-in-the-pans and flat out frauds that are promoted like Bocelli and, beleive it or not, Paul Potts. The great singers like Peerce, Bjorling, Tucker, Flagstad, Merrill, Warren, Milanov, etc., become much admired legends while Bovelli--who appears in recital this fall at the Met!!!--, Paul Potts, amd others there already and to come vanish into the sands of bad taste.
@gaytenor Jadlowker had a great trill and had a big voice capable of singing Wagner one night and Mozart the next and he did-- he was the Kaiser's favorite tenor in Germany. Hermann also was applauded by Caruso himself when he sang at the met in 1910. Caruso was a fan, of course Jadlowker may not have had that beauty of voice but he was a fine tenor who sang it all! The JBS society is coming out with a 4 CD set of rare Jussi live rec. in better sound then ever for his fans.
@shiicoff1 In some of his recordings Jadlowker actually sounds more than a little like Caruso good examples being 'ah, si ben mio,' and 'cielo e mar.' Jadlowker had a voice that was as much baritone as tenor but he was pushed into singing some roles because of the metallic ring of his upper register. Some of his leider recordings are highly valued and his Mozart, including 'il mio tesoro' is breathtaking especially the Four nel mar.
@gaytenor I remember the Carmen Bumbry sang with Tucker was called the "Mini skirted Carmen". They made a big deal about it cause she wore a very short skirt ! How times change now they are almost Nude at times. In jussi's day and Tucker's they did not have to act, now they use tricks to put a singer across and who knows about amplification? Did you ever wonder why more young people don't listen more to JB, RT, JP, Gigli, Gedda etc. and sopranos like Tebaldi, Ponselle, Muzio, Millo and Callas?
For anyone interested in JB the book by Andrew Farkus and Anna Lisa Bjorling JUSSI is a must to read and has a wonderful list of nearly every performance he sang. Luckily for me I heard most of the greats in the last 53 years on stage! The The best way for me is to hear them live on stage but today we have fewer really great singers. Lets hope for a brighter future.
Bjorling was wonderful I heard him a couple of years years before he died and perhaps this was not in his Rep. anymore but the voice when I heard him was lyric, beautiful but to compare him to Tucker or Corelli is like apples and oranges. He was for me on stage live a lyric not a voice like Corelli, Domingo or Tucker. I would never argue about him with anyone unless it was a voice type in the same category. When I heard Tucker he did not sound like a Cantor r, he sounded Great/ operatic..
Oh tucker sang trov also in Florance in n68 with caballe, in carmen in 70 with bumbey, in parma in trov with ricciarelli in the 70's, in verona in 47 with callas, in rome and in milan .
@shiicoff1 And who else would have had the technique and requisite spinto voice to sing the exceptionally difficult role of Rodolfo in Verdi's Luisa Miller. Since the Met performance of 1968 has been available at times it is possible to judge fully the glory of Tucker and Caballe in this wonderful performance and opera.
Such hostility on this video. I will say this: Bjorling's performance here is not up to par with his usual excellence - to say this is the most amazing Bjorling could do would be an insult to the truly amazing performances he gave in the French (and some Verdi) repertoire. And personally I've never heard a better Don Ottavio than Leopold Simoneau - the role sounded like it was written for his voice.
@PompousOperaFanatic How well I agree with you! Peerce and Tucker were vocal wonders praised all over the world for their thrilling voices and command of technique and, of course, the same is true for Bjorling. No tenor is able to sing everything and everyone reserves the right to make informed criticism but to just heap abuse on another not the comments per-se but the party making the comment is in very bad taste.
@gaytenor I don't know what it is with the Bjoerling mania, everything he ever sang must be 100.00% better than everyone else? Nobody's perfect for Chrissake! And Bjoerling is far from perfect here...
@zgopify For the same reasons you mention below he tried out Aida in Chicago wasn't pleased with the results and DROPPED THE ROLE. Tucker dropped both Faust and Hoffmann early and I cannot tell why because he sounded great but a singer must be careful in the selection of his repertoire. Bjorling's best role may well have been Romeo which he didn't drop from his repertoire but just wasn't being done in the subsequent years. The Romeo, happily is available. That performance is A+++++++++++++++.
@Melomondo Gaytenor has a point, Bjoerling himself agrees with him. He was very careful with his voice and critical against singers who sang parts they really didn't do well. He didn't sing Ottavio on the stage after 1937, nor did he record it. He sang Faust and Rodolfo unnumerable times up to his death. Because he knew that he was unsurpassable there. Bjoerling was a great singer, he had one of the loveliest voices ever heard by man. But why pretend that he is SOOO good in this? He isn't.
@Melomondo SIr please learn just a little bit about Mozartian singing before you display your ignorance. It matters very little to the likes of you that Jussi Bjorling and Jan Peerce were friends and he recommended Peerce to Edward Johnson because of how much he was impressed by Peerce. Bjorling was a classic act and would spin in his grave if he read the vile crap you have offered.
@gaytenor Being friends with someone does not make a good Mozart tenor. I bet I know a lot more about Mozartian singing than you. Because if you write that Peerce was good in it (because he was friends with Björling)... er, Good Lord. This is almost as good as your excuse for Tucker's transposing: "Because the orchestra accidentally used the score of another tenor who had transposed". In a telecast! Oh my. I have to write these down somewhere... please keep posting.
@Melomondo Bjorling was a very great tenor but as zgopify pointed out Bjorling couldn't have been pleased with the performance he refused all offers from Rudolf Bing to sing the role at the Met. Peerce won universal praise from the critics in New York for his performances and had a lock on the role at the Met even when Gedda was in the company. Do you think that Jadlowker was a great Mozart singer? I repeat please learn about Mozart singing about the importance of not chopping up the fiortura.
@Melomondo I saw your remarks re: Israeli national anthem why do I think that your persistent insults and attacks of both Peerce and Tucker has more to do with their being the best known operatic artists of the Jewish faith and outspoken supporters of Israel. You seem to be working out your problems using two great tenors who were credits to all that is good in music and human relations. Its sad to see such vile hatred being used to vent against innocent people. You needn't share your hate.
@gaytenor Now, you were digging for an over one month old comment that is not even displayed just for starting a new fight about Tucker, Peerce and Israel under a video of Björling. You are a sick bastard, get a life and save your yapping for your friend Baritanist, he is on your intellectual niveau. And stop polluting Björling videos with your pathetic Tucker propaganda and your sick lies.
@Melomondo You throw insults around like candy mints and then use the most obvious nazi trick of claiming the other guy is the guilty party. That is what is being used in the middle east and it was what was used in the six counties of Northern Ireland for almost a century by both sides to excuse the abuses they committed. I never introduced nazi's into the discussion nor did I claim a cabal was picking on me if others objected to my remarks. I have not lied once here I don't need to.
@gaytenor Yappediyappyapp. You got cold feet and erased all of your Nazi postings. One just needs to look at the video of Tucker's Celeste Aida and the butchered discussion where you have removed every single of your Nazi comments. So, now stop lying.
@Melomondo: i removed the comments as a peace jesture. I have real concerns about the middle east but here we are discussing, hopefully, the pros and cons of Jussi Bjorling's only performance of Il mio tesoro. Any comment you do not like is met not with a reasoned argument but with insulting remarks. Get this putz I do not lie even about my sexual orientation in a redneck town. I love Bjorling's singing just not in this aria. I don't have a right to express this? Grow-up.
Having seen the comments, I almost thought I didn't want to listen to it. But now that I have, I believe people are being too negative about his rendition. Yes, it wasn't the most masterful start, and yes, there was occasional breathing, but I find the rest of the aria really superb. It's not the definitive version but even with the McCormack version in my memory, I still enjoy listening to this one.And concluding that Bjorlng shouldn't have done this repertoire at all may be a little too much!
@Lovelytenor1 Yes I agree, a great performance by Jussi, but still not as good as the greatest from the Grand Maestro John McCormack's extraordinary recording.
@1carrigdhoubh Yes, that is a marvel. This old tenor uses the "run" in the middle of the aria everyday as a vocalise. Another superb rendition is Stuart Burrows. I was fortunate to hear him do the role, in his prime(about 1975).
@Lovelytenor1 I have sang and I love Bjorling in Boheme, Tosca, Faust, Romeo, etc., but this aria simply wasn't for him. And remember that this concert was not in hicksville but rather New York and was planned for commerical release. If Bjorling felt the performance wasn't what he wanted released they would merely had have to insert the Boheme aria or Lenski's aria. Also someone does not have to be a singer to follow a score and know its demands. Your remark was off the mark totally.
@gaytenor You are entitled to your opinion. I sat thru a concert of Richard Tucker's & he sang many things which some would say were "simply not for him". I still consider the performance a vocal marvel. I'm sure you are aware that Don Ottavio was JB's true debut role.
@Lovelytenor1 Yes I do know that and I know that he sang the role without Il mio tesoro since it was cut. He frequently program Dalla sua pace which suited him far better. Seriously what makes it a marvel besides the beauty of the voice which only an idiot would deny. The aria is poorly done by an immortal. How did Tucker enter the discussion? I will comment that Tucker could sing coloratura better than Bjorling and he could trill which I've never heard Bjorling do.
@gaytenor There you are again, cretin. Peerce and Tucker sing klezmer when they open their mouths and not Mozart, and they could never even dream of being half as good as the great Jussi Björling, no matter how much you scream, Dr. Goebbels.
@Melomondo Even many dedicated Jussians don't like this performance all that much, besides I have a right to an opinion, an opinion that is based on an objective study of the vocal score. You seem to have a personal vendetta against me for some reason and Dude its unhealthy! I have been told, previously that Bjorling trilled on the 39 Trovatore, a little one, but on none of the live recordings or studio efforts that I own does he come close. Also not in any Manzoni Requiem.
@gaytenor A "vendetta" against YOU? Sorry Mr., but you are overrating your importance. I simply do not like your pompous comments. You are referring to objective observations and then you are praising singers like Peerce and Tucker. That's a contradictio in adjecto. When it comes to accuracy and diction, those Americans dear to you were inferior to Björling in every single recording. That does not mean that Björling's diction was good. But to take Tucker and Peerce as good examples... Jesus!
@Melomondo Your totally wrong both Peerce and Tucker had excellent Italian diction and when you seem to follow someone around its no longer thoughtful discussion its called trolling, Listen to the RCA RIgoletto where Bjorling makes a number of mistakes caused probably by his native tongue. Bjorling's English was exceptionally good especially later in his career the same, alas, does not hold for his Italian diction I have no opinion as to the French diction since I do not know the language well.
@hanskunst There is nothing extraordinary about it at all! Like most students of the art of singing I always tried to get the language right and since butchering French is the international pastime for tenors I carefully studied the fantastic diction of Georges Thill, and Nicolai Gedda. But after 45 years of listening and studying the performances of the greats one does learn a little bit.
@Melomondo Excuse me but what the hell are you going on about? Both Tucker and Peerce's diction was far superior to Bjorling in EVERY recording. The fact that Tucker had more of a career in Italy than Bjorling is proof to that. The man whose voice is as cold as the Nordic wind had terrible diction.
@VinylToVideo It's no proof at all. You do not make a career in Italy because of diction and Tucker did not have an Italian career anyway. But you and your friend Gaytenor are fundamental Tucker- and Peerce-fanatics anyway, and there is no point in discussing anything with you. That you and he are spamming every single video of Tucker and Peerce with your comments is prooving it.
@Melomondo Actually it's the complete opposite; you sure don't make a career in Italy without good diction. The only time I comment on Tucker or Peerce videos is when people make comments so stupid that I'm left with no choice; you have the honors of being in that group.
@VinylToVideo Corelli, Bergonzi and Christoff lead your argument ad absurdum. You have no clue. But anyway... whatever you say must be true, Dr. Goebbels!
@Melomondo Corelli and Bergonzi were Italian; they were accepted automatically. Christoff trained in Italy, made his debut there, and performed at a time where there weren't really any other better basses around, especially in his better known roles. But an American Jew tenor? Tucker must have been the only one of those to have such success in Italy.
Not a fan... this is kinda bad. There are so many little mistakes in here and breath / resonance issues, which, in my opinion should not be present in the performance of a "legend". Sorry.
@OperaLover84 Have to agree, and Bjoerling who is known to breathe lighter and more seldom than anyone else, perhaps he was ill. Anyway Mozart isn't really for Bjoerling. Bad interpretation.
@organmaster1969 No, I respect Bjoerling, in fact he is one of the greatest singers of all time, but I love Mozart even more, and Alva, Dermota, Simoneau and a lot of others is singing Mozart much better. Perhaps that is why Bjoerling almost never sang Mozart operas when he didn't have to. He felt that he couldn't do them justice. It's not bad as an aria, but it's bad compared to Alva,and it's bad compared to what Bjoerling usually does.
XP thanks for the history. I didn't realize that he had sung so many Mozart roles. I don't generally associate Bjoerling with Mozart, but now I know better.
Wow. I never thought I'd ever hear anything come out of Bjoerling that I didn't absolutely love. But this.... ugh. Perhaps he ought not to have been singing Mozart. (Particularly in recital format.) Sorry if I've offended my fellow Bjoerling fans by saying so.
This was the first time he sang this aria, as a jubilee of his 25th anniversery as an opera singer. His official debut as a tenor was Don Ottavio, but in this Stockholm production he sang Dalla sua pace and not Il mio tesero. He had sung roles in Mozart operas as Belmonte in "Die Entführung aus dem Serail" and Tamino in "Die Zauberflöte" in addition to Ottavio. But you are quite right, this is not one of his proudest moments, although his Bildnis-aria in swedish is OK.
@caribolas: Your opinion is valid, but your wording comes off as arrogant and disrespectful, to a TRUE artist who is long dead.
2:38 to 2:50. This is a twelve second phrase that is sung legato(with coloratura) it is impossible to sing without very good breath control.
Please listen to Addio Alla Madre from this same recital. You may find it on my channel. I think its a very accurate representation of Bjorling's unparalleled artistic and emotional capabilities.
@CarmenMirandasHat It's possible to sing it with bad breath control just doing the way he does. I just offered an opinion justified by arguments. Everyone has the right to appraise art with a critical stance, so keep your deaf dictatorial devotion to yourself. Wunderlich and McCormack have great breath control - he doesn't.
Wunderlich was very wonderful and so was JB but remember JB is 44 years old here not his 30's and this is the only time he sang it that we can hear, he did it early in Sweden but not available still I like the Wunderlich live one also very much.
Personally know little about, and have little interest in, the academics of singing. But must be a distinction between breath control and coloratura. Once heard Met Opera Panel experts marvel at Björling's ability to sustain forever. But he did very little coloratura. I'd think this aria calls for a Rossini tenor, likes of Rockwell Blake, Juan Diego Flores. Don't give a hoot about picked nits, hearing this voice from heaven fills my heart to the brim.
You can hear that his voice is floating over the phrase...which shows the possibility that he might have been sick, therefore compensating with lots of lift! I know that JB would never let down his guard when it came to lift, and breath control...it was inflicted upon him early...hence the consistency of his tone!
@caribolas Not many people can... then again, listening to Wunderlich trying to sing Che Gelida Manina, even in his native German, he still can't touch Bjorling.
I love FW, but he still doesnt touch JB on this one or many, many others. I was stunned that JB sings even Schubert's Serenade better than FW. Again, I take nothing away from FW.
Doesn't change the fact that he slurs with inaccurate pitch over the runs and clumsily breaks the line twice around 1:45 - just not good enough bad control for Mozart. Well I don't expect the Bjorling fandom here to realize it so I'm off
Yes, you're off. FW was a very, very fine tenor. If he were singing today I would fight for a ticket. Still, he was not in Jussi B's class. Then again, perhaps only Caruso was.
@caribolas Criticise Bjorlings breath control?......You clearly sound the type that would not give a standing ovation to a perfect cast because you heard a sneeze back stage. Get on with it!
@Lovelytenor1 Are you listening with your heart or your ears? This performance by a true great singer is not up to his usual standards and performances by Wunderlich, Peerce, Jadlowker, McCormack, and the young Domingo among many others are more in keeping with the aria. The coloratura passage should not be broken as it is here. This may have been Bjorling's way with the aria because his performance of Lenski's aria is stunning as is the Beethoven song that he began the concert with.
Hey kids, this is from a live concert- not a studio recording. When you're on tour, live( and singing for 45 minutes) you don't take chances. I pride myself in doing the run in one breath, but in concert, I would chose the wiser course myself. JB was one THE greats of all time.
First off...I LOVE Jussi's voice. Love love love. But what's with all the breathing between 1:40 and 1:56? Must not have felt totally comfortable with this aria (or was just having a rare off night).
not only is bjorling the greatest tenor the would has ever know, but he is probably the most perfect singer ever. an important point though is that this is a live recital far different from a recording. i still think though that the recording of Mc Cormack is the best
C'est ça qui fait la richesse du chant..plusieurs interprètes.;chacun y trouve la voix qui lui convient le mieux....J'ai une douzaine d'enegistrements de ce morceau avec autant d'interprètes différents...j'aime aussi beaucoup Luigi Alva vocalement parlant...
Nicolaï Gedda est pas mal non plus....et d'autres.
C'est un morceau de sortie du conservatoire de Paris...pas mal choisi à mon avis pour juger de la souplesse d'une voix....
Jolie voix..interprétation de qualité....mais la vocalise sur "cerca" est incomplète les deux fois...surprenant car c'est une des principales difficultés de ce morceau ..Mozart adorait mettre les chanteurs en difficulté(ici le souffle)....un aspect méconnu de sa personnalité....
Superb! I've never before been able to compare he my favourite tenor- with the acclaimed version sung by John McCormack.This is up there in the stratosphere along with his. Bravo! TY.
The 4 dislikers should go get themselves each a pair of fine tuned ears.
Bjorlingmiracle 3 months ago
BEST OF THE BEST!
Sybriix 5 months ago 44
Stuart Burrows sings it beautifully.
mizofan 7 months ago
@mizofan Stuart did indeed sing this very well, I was going to add a very under rated singer but I know he is in the top bracket as far as many music lovers are concerned.
Teddyb1939 4 months ago
@Teddyb1939 Yes, but he's not as well known as he should be.
mizofan 4 months ago
Sonnym1...totally agree there's the odd recording that is just in my mind the best.
This is whats so good about individual preferances...when the voice is concerned.
schlusnus 8 months ago
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great but John McCormack owns this piece imo
sonnym1 11 months ago
Geraint's brother, John, lived near Washington, DC and I sang with him in the WNO chorus. He was a wonderful, kind and generous person, whose carer was comparable to that of Geraint, but in musicals.
TheVerdiBaritone 1 year ago
OF COURSE I MEAN GERAINT spl. mine was wrong.
SHICOFF1 1 year ago
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SHICOFF1 1 year ago
What a beautiful face, he had.
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aussiechickdiana 1 year ago
Not a natural Mozart singer - too much rubato, to perhaps make a pianistic analogy...
causabon99 1 year ago
@causabon99 It's a lovely voice but I do have to agree with you.
laraineannebarker 1 year ago
would it be a sin to say I enjoy this rendition?
TheInimitableKaka 1 year ago
Wow, what a great performance! None better than Björling.
bassavoce 1 year ago
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SHICOFF1 1 year ago
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SHICOFF1 1 year ago
Oh no! I don't believe Gay Tenor is a stalker.
SHICOFF1 1 year ago
@SHICOFF1 Of course I'm not a stalker nor am I crazy. Some people cannot deal with the truth being pointed out. Tell me SHICOFF1 why it is so hard for some to deal with the fact that others like different performers than them and actually ask a civil question before the ad hoc insults and hatred is brought out. GermanOperaSinger had this guy pegged all too well didn't he!
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor I suggest you work on your spelling, Einstein. And what a funny comment... "I removed my Nazi comments as a gesture of peace".
Sorry, a jesture of piece. No kidding... what an epic failure you are.
Melomondo 1 year ago 6
@Melomondo so I used a j instead of a g big deal and peace was correctly spelled you moron. Ever since you came out from under your rock all you have done is throw insulting bombs about Peerce and Tucker. Yet not once have you used a rational argument based on musical considerations.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor Oh, there have been many arguments. But to give you an argument is like reading Shakespeare to a donkey.
You know what you are? Blind, deaf and dumb. :) And please stop the stalking. Thanks.
Melomondo 1 year ago 2
@Melomondo : I not stalking you I have a right to my opinion and I'm about to block you. Stalking would involve violating your privacy and I haven't done so. You simply do not know enough about music to argue but you can sure spew your hate. Don't bother me anymore.
gaytenor 1 year ago
I have the Mc Cormack video a film he made-- he was a handsome man and it is a good film he sings several songs. I don't know if it was ever out on DVD but is on VHS tape. Warren was in a movie also "Irish eyes are smiling" but was only a small part of it, he sang only two songs. and of course the Masini/Gobbi famous Pagliacci in 1951. Does anyone know if Ileana Contrubas died? She may have I was told . Perhaps a few years ago.
SHICOFF1 1 year ago
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SHICOFF1 1 year ago
Oh yes Mc Cormack has the very best recording of this aria of all, then comes Tauber and Peerce. Mc Cormack also in English had fantastic diction.
SHICOFF1 1 year ago
@SHICOFF1 May I add Stuart Burrows? Heard him do it live about 1975. It was a marvel.
Lovelytenor1 1 year ago 2
@Lovelytenor1 yes! I had forgotten about him and he was from William st. born on the same st. as Sir Gerant Evans another Welsh singer who I did hear in Luica with Deutekom and Tucker in 1970 in Chicago. Evans died sometime ago but I believe Burrows is alive, must be about 77 by now, must have been good in the aria.
SHICOFF1 1 year ago
@Lovelytenor1 Stuart Burrows was a top notch Mozartian, a great favourite with me too.
laraineannebarker 1 year ago
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SHICOFF1 1 year ago
@SHICOFF1 Totally agree with you. It's that other crazy guy who is a stalker I guess. Sigh. Anyway.
Why did Tucker hate Peerce and vice versa?
Melomondo 1 year ago 2
But lads, have a listen to John McCormack singing this aria.
oxfordeddie 1 year ago
Jadlowker, well Everyone should hear his ecco from Barber It's amazing and the greatest ever from Marston recordings. Yes his E Lucean in Tosca until he goes up sounds almost exactly like Caruso I have fooled Caruso fans with it. But when he goes up on top it's different and that gives it away but he was amazing.
shiicoff1 1 year ago
In the 1958 interview with Allen Wagner, Bjorling himself mentions Peerce, Tucker and Bergonzi as singers at the met he liked. He also liked Merrill especially well . Everyone has different opinions on voice, some love Bocelli in opera.
shiicoff1 1 year ago
@shiicoff1 There will always be flash-in-the-pans and flat out frauds that are promoted like Bocelli and, beleive it or not, Paul Potts. The great singers like Peerce, Bjorling, Tucker, Flagstad, Merrill, Warren, Milanov, etc., become much admired legends while Bovelli--who appears in recital this fall at the Met!!!--, Paul Potts, amd others there already and to come vanish into the sands of bad taste.
gaytenor 1 year ago
Bocelli is not an opera singer, he's constantly mic'd...
seektheforce 1 year ago
@seektheforce: Agre is not and Opera singer no mater how hard he try. I can not stand him.
rokbe4u 1 year ago
@gaytenor Jadlowker had a great trill and had a big voice capable of singing Wagner one night and Mozart the next and he did-- he was the Kaiser's favorite tenor in Germany. Hermann also was applauded by Caruso himself when he sang at the met in 1910. Caruso was a fan, of course Jadlowker may not have had that beauty of voice but he was a fine tenor who sang it all! The JBS society is coming out with a 4 CD set of rare Jussi live rec. in better sound then ever for his fans.
shiicoff1 1 year ago
@shiicoff1 In some of his recordings Jadlowker actually sounds more than a little like Caruso good examples being 'ah, si ben mio,' and 'cielo e mar.' Jadlowker had a voice that was as much baritone as tenor but he was pushed into singing some roles because of the metallic ring of his upper register. Some of his leider recordings are highly valued and his Mozart, including 'il mio tesoro' is breathtaking especially the Four nel mar.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor I remember the Carmen Bumbry sang with Tucker was called the "Mini skirted Carmen". They made a big deal about it cause she wore a very short skirt ! How times change now they are almost Nude at times. In jussi's day and Tucker's they did not have to act, now they use tricks to put a singer across and who knows about amplification? Did you ever wonder why more young people don't listen more to JB, RT, JP, Gigli, Gedda etc. and sopranos like Tebaldi, Ponselle, Muzio, Millo and Callas?
shiicoff1 1 year ago
OH YES HE WAS REALLY HOT AND BIG VOICED. MINES TALKED ABOUT IT IN OPERA NEWS. HE WAS IN THE CAST. A YOUNG BARITONE IN FINE VOICE.
shiicoff1 1 year ago
For anyone interested in JB the book by Andrew Farkus and Anna Lisa Bjorling JUSSI is a must to read and has a wonderful list of nearly every performance he sang. Luckily for me I heard most of the greats in the last 53 years on stage! The The best way for me is to hear them live on stage but today we have fewer really great singers. Lets hope for a brighter future.
shiicoff1 1 year ago
Bjorling was wonderful I heard him a couple of years years before he died and perhaps this was not in his Rep. anymore but the voice when I heard him was lyric, beautiful but to compare him to Tucker or Corelli is like apples and oranges. He was for me on stage live a lyric not a voice like Corelli, Domingo or Tucker. I would never argue about him with anyone unless it was a voice type in the same category. When I heard Tucker he did not sound like a Cantor r, he sounded Great/ operatic..
shiicoff1 1 year ago
Oh tucker sang trov also in Florance in n68 with caballe, in carmen in 70 with bumbey, in parma in trov with ricciarelli in the 70's, in verona in 47 with callas, in rome and in milan .
shiicoff1 1 year ago
@shiicoff1 And who else would have had the technique and requisite spinto voice to sing the exceptionally difficult role of Rodolfo in Verdi's Luisa Miller. Since the Met performance of 1968 has been available at times it is possible to judge fully the glory of Tucker and Caballe in this wonderful performance and opera.
gaytenor 1 year ago
Such hostility on this video. I will say this: Bjorling's performance here is not up to par with his usual excellence - to say this is the most amazing Bjorling could do would be an insult to the truly amazing performances he gave in the French (and some Verdi) repertoire. And personally I've never heard a better Don Ottavio than Leopold Simoneau - the role sounded like it was written for his voice.
GermanOperaSinger 1 year ago
@VinylToVideo There is no idea arguing with those two antisemistic gentlemen. Peerce and Tucker always gave performances on the highest level.
PompousOperaFanatic 1 year ago
@PompousOperaFanatic How well I agree with you! Peerce and Tucker were vocal wonders praised all over the world for their thrilling voices and command of technique and, of course, the same is true for Bjorling. No tenor is able to sing everything and everyone reserves the right to make informed criticism but to just heap abuse on another not the comments per-se but the party making the comment is in very bad taste.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor I don't know what it is with the Bjoerling mania, everything he ever sang must be 100.00% better than everyone else? Nobody's perfect for Chrissake! And Bjoerling is far from perfect here...
zgopify 1 year ago
@zgopify For the same reasons you mention below he tried out Aida in Chicago wasn't pleased with the results and DROPPED THE ROLE. Tucker dropped both Faust and Hoffmann early and I cannot tell why because he sounded great but a singer must be careful in the selection of his repertoire. Bjorling's best role may well have been Romeo which he didn't drop from his repertoire but just wasn't being done in the subsequent years. The Romeo, happily is available. That performance is A+++++++++++++++.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@PompousOperaFanatic Now, when you don't like Peerce and Tucker, you are called an "antisemite". Incredible how far your fanatism goes.
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo Gaytenor has a point, Bjoerling himself agrees with him. He was very careful with his voice and critical against singers who sang parts they really didn't do well. He didn't sing Ottavio on the stage after 1937, nor did he record it. He sang Faust and Rodolfo unnumerable times up to his death. Because he knew that he was unsurpassable there. Bjoerling was a great singer, he had one of the loveliest voices ever heard by man. But why pretend that he is SOOO good in this? He isn't.
zgopify 1 year ago
@zgopify Er, I did not say he is SOOOO good I said he is definitely better that Peerce howling his way through the aria.
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo SIr please learn just a little bit about Mozartian singing before you display your ignorance. It matters very little to the likes of you that Jussi Bjorling and Jan Peerce were friends and he recommended Peerce to Edward Johnson because of how much he was impressed by Peerce. Bjorling was a classic act and would spin in his grave if he read the vile crap you have offered.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor Being friends with someone does not make a good Mozart tenor. I bet I know a lot more about Mozartian singing than you. Because if you write that Peerce was good in it (because he was friends with Björling)... er, Good Lord. This is almost as good as your excuse for Tucker's transposing: "Because the orchestra accidentally used the score of another tenor who had transposed". In a telecast! Oh my. I have to write these down somewhere... please keep posting.
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo Bjorling was a very great tenor but as zgopify pointed out Bjorling couldn't have been pleased with the performance he refused all offers from Rudolf Bing to sing the role at the Met. Peerce won universal praise from the critics in New York for his performances and had a lock on the role at the Met even when Gedda was in the company. Do you think that Jadlowker was a great Mozart singer? I repeat please learn about Mozart singing about the importance of not chopping up the fiortura.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor YAWN
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo I saw your remarks re: Israeli national anthem why do I think that your persistent insults and attacks of both Peerce and Tucker has more to do with their being the best known operatic artists of the Jewish faith and outspoken supporters of Israel. You seem to be working out your problems using two great tenors who were credits to all that is good in music and human relations. Its sad to see such vile hatred being used to vent against innocent people. You needn't share your hate.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor Now, you were digging for an over one month old comment that is not even displayed just for starting a new fight about Tucker, Peerce and Israel under a video of Björling. You are a sick bastard, get a life and save your yapping for your friend Baritanist, he is on your intellectual niveau. And stop polluting Björling videos with your pathetic Tucker propaganda and your sick lies.
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo You throw insults around like candy mints and then use the most obvious nazi trick of claiming the other guy is the guilty party. That is what is being used in the middle east and it was what was used in the six counties of Northern Ireland for almost a century by both sides to excuse the abuses they committed. I never introduced nazi's into the discussion nor did I claim a cabal was picking on me if others objected to my remarks. I have not lied once here I don't need to.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor Yappediyappyapp. You got cold feet and erased all of your Nazi postings. One just needs to look at the video of Tucker's Celeste Aida and the butchered discussion where you have removed every single of your Nazi comments. So, now stop lying.
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo: i removed the comments as a peace jesture. I have real concerns about the middle east but here we are discussing, hopefully, the pros and cons of Jussi Bjorling's only performance of Il mio tesoro. Any comment you do not like is met not with a reasoned argument but with insulting remarks. Get this putz I do not lie even about my sexual orientation in a redneck town. I love Bjorling's singing just not in this aria. I don't have a right to express this? Grow-up.
gaytenor 1 year ago
Wow, what a great rendition. This comes close to the great McCormack. He had a good voice for Ottavio, maybe a bit too heroic though.
Guercoeur 1 year ago
If this was Jussi Bjoerling at his worst, I will totally accept it. Everything else he did was absolutely phenomenal.
seektheforce 1 year ago
Having seen the comments, I almost thought I didn't want to listen to it. But now that I have, I believe people are being too negative about his rendition. Yes, it wasn't the most masterful start, and yes, there was occasional breathing, but I find the rest of the aria really superb. It's not the definitive version but even with the McCormack version in my memory, I still enjoy listening to this one.And concluding that Bjorlng shouldn't have done this repertoire at all may be a little too much!
RoyKa2010 1 year ago
Amusing to hear so many non-singers critize this. Yet every tenor/teacher of singing since has listened & marveled at its vocal beauty.
Lovelytenor1 1 year ago
@Lovelytenor1 Yes I agree, a great performance by Jussi, but still not as good as the greatest from the Grand Maestro John McCormack's extraordinary recording.
1carrigdhoubh 1 year ago
@1carrigdhoubh Yes, that is a marvel. This old tenor uses the "run" in the middle of the aria everyday as a vocalise. Another superb rendition is Stuart Burrows. I was fortunate to hear him do the role, in his prime(about 1975).
Lovelytenor1 1 year ago
@1carrigdhoubh John McCormack, yes, and Friz Wunderlich!
RoyKa2010 1 year ago
@Lovelytenor1 I have sang and I love Bjorling in Boheme, Tosca, Faust, Romeo, etc., but this aria simply wasn't for him. And remember that this concert was not in hicksville but rather New York and was planned for commerical release. If Bjorling felt the performance wasn't what he wanted released they would merely had have to insert the Boheme aria or Lenski's aria. Also someone does not have to be a singer to follow a score and know its demands. Your remark was off the mark totally.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor You are entitled to your opinion. I sat thru a concert of Richard Tucker's & he sang many things which some would say were "simply not for him". I still consider the performance a vocal marvel. I'm sure you are aware that Don Ottavio was JB's true debut role.
Lovelytenor1 1 year ago
@Lovelytenor1 Yes I do know that and I know that he sang the role without Il mio tesoro since it was cut. He frequently program Dalla sua pace which suited him far better. Seriously what makes it a marvel besides the beauty of the voice which only an idiot would deny. The aria is poorly done by an immortal. How did Tucker enter the discussion? I will comment that Tucker could sing coloratura better than Bjorling and he could trill which I've never heard Bjorling do.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor There you are again, cretin. Peerce and Tucker sing klezmer when they open their mouths and not Mozart, and they could never even dream of being half as good as the great Jussi Björling, no matter how much you scream, Dr. Goebbels.
For trills listen to his 1939 Trovatore, cretin.
Melomondo 1 year ago 3
@Melomondo Even many dedicated Jussians don't like this performance all that much, besides I have a right to an opinion, an opinion that is based on an objective study of the vocal score. You seem to have a personal vendetta against me for some reason and Dude its unhealthy! I have been told, previously that Bjorling trilled on the 39 Trovatore, a little one, but on none of the live recordings or studio efforts that I own does he come close. Also not in any Manzoni Requiem.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor A "vendetta" against YOU? Sorry Mr., but you are overrating your importance. I simply do not like your pompous comments. You are referring to objective observations and then you are praising singers like Peerce and Tucker. That's a contradictio in adjecto. When it comes to accuracy and diction, those Americans dear to you were inferior to Björling in every single recording. That does not mean that Björling's diction was good. But to take Tucker and Peerce as good examples... Jesus!
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo Your totally wrong both Peerce and Tucker had excellent Italian diction and when you seem to follow someone around its no longer thoughtful discussion its called trolling, Listen to the RCA RIgoletto where Bjorling makes a number of mistakes caused probably by his native tongue. Bjorling's English was exceptionally good especially later in his career the same, alas, does not hold for his Italian diction I have no opinion as to the French diction since I do not know the language well.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@gaytenor said I have no opinion as to the French diction since I do not know the language well.
Extraordinary something you do not know.
hanskunst 1 year ago
@hanskunst There is nothing extraordinary about it at all! Like most students of the art of singing I always tried to get the language right and since butchering French is the international pastime for tenors I carefully studied the fantastic diction of Georges Thill, and Nicolai Gedda. But after 45 years of listening and studying the performances of the greats one does learn a little bit.
gaytenor 1 year ago
@Melomondo Excuse me but what the hell are you going on about? Both Tucker and Peerce's diction was far superior to Bjorling in EVERY recording. The fact that Tucker had more of a career in Italy than Bjorling is proof to that. The man whose voice is as cold as the Nordic wind had terrible diction.
VinylToVideo 1 year ago
@VinylToVideo It's no proof at all. You do not make a career in Italy because of diction and Tucker did not have an Italian career anyway. But you and your friend Gaytenor are fundamental Tucker- and Peerce-fanatics anyway, and there is no point in discussing anything with you. That you and he are spamming every single video of Tucker and Peerce with your comments is prooving it.
Melomondo 1 year ago 2
@Melomondo Actually it's the complete opposite; you sure don't make a career in Italy without good diction. The only time I comment on Tucker or Peerce videos is when people make comments so stupid that I'm left with no choice; you have the honors of being in that group.
VinylToVideo 1 year ago
@VinylToVideo Corelli, Bergonzi and Christoff lead your argument ad absurdum. You have no clue. But anyway... whatever you say must be true, Dr. Goebbels!
Melomondo 1 year ago
@Melomondo Corelli and Bergonzi were Italian; they were accepted automatically. Christoff trained in Italy, made his debut there, and performed at a time where there weren't really any other better basses around, especially in his better known roles. But an American Jew tenor? Tucker must have been the only one of those to have such success in Italy.
VinylToVideo 1 year ago
The definitive version of this aria is by Richard Tauber.
operettelieberin 1 year ago
Not a fan... this is kinda bad. There are so many little mistakes in here and breath / resonance issues, which, in my opinion should not be present in the performance of a "legend". Sorry.
OperaLover84 1 year ago
@OperaLover84
Bollocks!
bollard00 1 year ago
@OperaLover84 Have to agree, and Bjoerling who is known to breathe lighter and more seldom than anyone else, perhaps he was ill. Anyway Mozart isn't really for Bjoerling. Bad interpretation.
mozzrt 1 year ago
@mozzrt Did you go to the Murray Kidd School of Voice?
organmaster1969 1 year ago
@organmaster1969 No, I respect Bjoerling, in fact he is one of the greatest singers of all time, but I love Mozart even more, and Alva, Dermota, Simoneau and a lot of others is singing Mozart much better. Perhaps that is why Bjoerling almost never sang Mozart operas when he didn't have to. He felt that he couldn't do them justice. It's not bad as an aria, but it's bad compared to Alva,and it's bad compared to what Bjoerling usually does.
mozzrt 1 year ago
@OperaLover84 A few words for you: start to study opera art. I think you are illiterate.
maxhansendk 1 year ago
XP thanks for the history. I didn't realize that he had sung so many Mozart roles. I don't generally associate Bjoerling with Mozart, but now I know better.
LaCucarachaTenor 1 year ago
Wow. I never thought I'd ever hear anything come out of Bjoerling that I didn't absolutely love. But this.... ugh. Perhaps he ought not to have been singing Mozart. (Particularly in recital format.) Sorry if I've offended my fellow Bjoerling fans by saying so.
LaCucarachaTenor 1 year ago
This was the first time he sang this aria, as a jubilee of his 25th anniversery as an opera singer. His official debut as a tenor was Don Ottavio, but in this Stockholm production he sang Dalla sua pace and not Il mio tesero. He had sung roles in Mozart operas as Belmonte in "Die Entführung aus dem Serail" and Tamino in "Die Zauberflöte" in addition to Ottavio. But you are quite right, this is not one of his proudest moments, although his Bildnis-aria in swedish is OK.
XP11XP 1 year ago
A truly beautiful pereformance.
hashatz 1 year ago 6
just read caribolas comments. approaches the absurd. yeah bjoerling had lousey breath control.
operalament 1 year ago
@caribolas: Your opinion is valid, but your wording comes off as arrogant and disrespectful, to a TRUE artist who is long dead.
2:38 to 2:50. This is a twelve second phrase that is sung legato(with coloratura) it is impossible to sing without very good breath control.
Please listen to Addio Alla Madre from this same recital. You may find it on my channel. I think its a very accurate representation of Bjorling's unparalleled artistic and emotional capabilities.
CarmenMirandasHat 1 year ago 2
@CarmenMirandasHat It's possible to sing it with bad breath control just doing the way he does. I just offered an opinion justified by arguments. Everyone has the right to appraise art with a critical stance, so keep your deaf dictatorial devotion to yourself. Wunderlich and McCormack have great breath control - he doesn't.
caribolas 1 year ago
Wunderlich was very wonderful and so was JB but remember JB is 44 years old here not his 30's and this is the only time he sang it that we can hear, he did it early in Sweden but not available still I like the Wunderlich live one also very much.
halavey 2 years ago
Personally know little about, and have little interest in, the academics of singing. But must be a distinction between breath control and coloratura. Once heard Met Opera Panel experts marvel at Björling's ability to sustain forever. But he did very little coloratura. I'd think this aria calls for a Rossini tenor, likes of Rockwell Blake, Juan Diego Flores. Don't give a hoot about picked nits, hearing this voice from heaven fills my heart to the brim.
MTondeleo 2 years ago
Thank you - just fabulous!
oakroom48 2 years ago
You can hear that his voice is floating over the phrase...which shows the possibility that he might have been sick, therefore compensating with lots of lift! I know that JB would never let down his guard when it came to lift, and breath control...it was inflicted upon him early...hence the consistency of his tone!
Gajdasi 2 years ago
wow finally someone is making complete sense on youtube, i thought you people didnt exist anymore! lol
Webarton 2 years ago
surprisingly well done, still can't touch Wunderlich.
caribolas 2 years ago
@caribolas Not many people can... then again, listening to Wunderlich trying to sing Che Gelida Manina, even in his native German, he still can't touch Bjorling.
moh672 2 years ago 2
I love FW, but he still doesnt touch JB on this one or many, many others. I was stunned that JB sings even Schubert's Serenade better than FW. Again, I take nothing away from FW.
Lovelytenor1 2 years ago
He just doesn't have great breath control. I'm not being picky, it's quite apparent.
caribolas 2 years ago
Actually, everyone who heard him & sang w/him( I've known a few) were in awe the strength of his breath control.
Lovelytenor1 2 years ago
Doesn't change the fact that he slurs with inaccurate pitch over the runs and clumsily breaks the line twice around 1:45 - just not good enough bad control for Mozart. Well I don't expect the Bjorling fandom here to realize it so I'm off
caribolas 2 years ago
Yes, you're off. FW was a very, very fine tenor. If he were singing today I would fight for a ticket. Still, he was not in Jussi B's class. Then again, perhaps only Caruso was.
Lovelytenor1 2 years ago
@caribolas Criticise Bjorlings breath control?......You clearly sound the type that would not give a standing ovation to a perfect cast because you heard a sneeze back stage. Get on with it!
Ahdren 1 year ago
Björlings breath control was in a class of it´s own.
He can sing the great arias without breathing!
Repulsion100 2 years ago 8
@Lovelytenor1 Are you listening with your heart or your ears? This performance by a true great singer is not up to his usual standards and performances by Wunderlich, Peerce, Jadlowker, McCormack, and the young Domingo among many others are more in keeping with the aria. The coloratura passage should not be broken as it is here. This may have been Bjorling's way with the aria because his performance of Lenski's aria is stunning as is the Beethoven song that he began the concert with.
gaytenor 1 year ago
Hey kids, this is from a live concert- not a studio recording. When you're on tour, live( and singing for 45 minutes) you don't take chances. I pride myself in doing the run in one breath, but in concert, I would chose the wiser course myself. JB was one THE greats of all time.
Lovelytenor1 2 years ago
First off...I LOVE Jussi's voice. Love love love. But what's with all the breathing between 1:40 and 1:56? Must not have felt totally comfortable with this aria (or was just having a rare off night).
littlemissmoodygirl 2 years ago
dispiace il mio italiano è un po 'grezzi, ma perché sono più cantanti lirici di grassi, non essendo grande aiuto a colpire l'alta d's ed f del
dorykarl 2 years ago
not only is bjorling the greatest tenor the would has ever know, but he is probably the most perfect singer ever. an important point though is that this is a live recital far different from a recording. i still think though that the recording of Mc Cormack is the best
operalament 3 years ago 2
La perfection n'est pas de ce monde...on y tend et c'est déjà très bien....
Nadir2711 3 years ago
Celui qui en est le plus proche d'après moi, Leopold Simoneau.
jacquesurlus 3 years ago
C'est ça qui fait la richesse du chant..plusieurs interprètes.;chacun y trouve la voix qui lui convient le mieux....J'ai une douzaine d'enegistrements de ce morceau avec autant d'interprètes différents...j'aime aussi beaucoup Luigi Alva vocalement parlant...
Nicolaï Gedda est pas mal non plus....et d'autres.
C'est un morceau de sortie du conservatoire de Paris...pas mal choisi à mon avis pour juger de la souplesse d'une voix....
Cordialement
Raphaël Garaud
Nadir2711 3 years ago
Beautiful!
cicadada 3 years ago
Jolie voix..interprétation de qualité....mais la vocalise sur "cerca" est incomplète les deux fois...surprenant car c'est une des principales difficultés de ce morceau ..Mozart adorait mettre les chanteurs en difficulté(ici le souffle)....un aspect méconnu de sa personnalité....
Nadir2711 3 years ago
cest parfait!
senilangakali 3 years ago
Superb! I've never before been able to compare he my favourite tenor- with the acclaimed version sung by John McCormack.This is up there in the stratosphere along with his. Bravo! TY.
paulostroff99 3 years ago 3