@TEXANConnection The CNG tank only has about 1/2 the fuel capacity of the gasoline tank so you have to fill it more often. However, MPG for CNG and gasoline are about the same.
@ngvconversion The article I read some years ago the Texas RR commission converted a truck to all 3 and the CNG performed the worst, it was harder to get the fuel, The Tank was more of a problem, than LP or Gasoline. It burns no Cleaner than LP if thats your Goal. Its a waste of time and Money, there is a a better alternative thats better, If you look at cities that went to NG in there vehicals they last about 5 to 8 yrs then either go back to Propane or gas or diesel..
@TEXANConnection Texans love their propane and that's okay. Utah Mormons love CNG. The more ways to fuel cars the better. There are over 6000 CNG vehicles in Utah and a large network of public CNG fueling stations maintained by the gas company, Questar. Half the CNG vehicles are more than 10 years old . They last much longer than 8 years and don't get converted back to propane or gasoline.
@ngvconversion to each his own my friend, But LP outweigh the NG conversion, Proven time and time again (and its nothing to do with me being in Texas). LP for vehicles has been around for close to 90 years. Your accomplishing the same thing you desire with better performance, expense,availability, and convenience on LP.
Great video. Thanks a lot. I do own a Civic GX on CNG. I like it so much, that I would like to convert my 2008 Toyota Solara to CNG. Can you do it? Can you recommend someone in the S California area?
@townkevin59 The government typically doesn't know how to advise you when it comes to alternative fuels. If it passes your state's vehicle safety and emissions program you should be okay. At worst they will probably ask you to remove the system. I doubt you'll have to do time at Attica.
@makeitubE I don't think that any of these components are EPA, CARB, or DOT approved. These are United States standards and the vast majority of CNG hardware is sold outside the U.S. America is currently a super-small CNG market. I think that a couple of very populated states like CA and NY require EPA and DOT, but most don't.
@InnesOil Great plan, solder and heat shrink,... but what about when you get into a spot like where he is at there...where there is NO room to even strip a wire, let alone push a heat shrink tube back far enough to not be bungled by the heat of the soldering....what would you suggest then?
Thanks for making this video, best video on the conversion I've seen. I'm pretty interested in doing this myself on my 01' civic. What exact kit did you use and from where did you purchase it? Thanks!
@v8fieromatt I used a Diel kit. The links to purchase are in the video and the description section of the video. There are several places you can buy it. I also think there are other kits that work just as well.
@ngvconversion Didn't see a $550 dollar kit on ebay, would the one you bought be similar to the one from Red Star Energy? They sell one for $499 that looks similar or would something like the Model CNGE4 from EWS be a better bet? Thanks!
You mention you have a Scion xA with CNG installed. Can you show a video of that installed system? I have a Scion xA and would like to install a CNG conversion kit on it. Seeing some of the necessary components and your professional placement would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
Funny you should say that----because I was doing just that-----mitsubushi---is selling them here in san jose california---might go test drive one----i have an old 87 volvo that i dont want to part with---but she failed smog at least a grand to repair to pass so am still debateing---thank you again
I just bought the exact same kit today with dual 3 gallon fuel bottles. I'm going to install it in my 04 Tacoma. It all seems pretty simple and straight forward. Im excited to get going on it. Any tips or advice? Please reply or email to radfords@gmail.com. Thanks!
thank you for the reply---am debateing on cng or convert to electric---the smog controls in california are pretty tight but rightfully so---i dont want to cause more problems by solveing one---thank you again
@riseingstardust Seems like California discourages CNG DIYers, but embraces electric vehicle DIYers. I now have CNG,gasoline,and electric. EV is probably the path of least government resistance in CA. Check out the new Mitsubishi iMiev coming out next year. It looks great for going to work and running errands. It's cheaper and not as fancy as the Leaf.
@riseingstardust CO output is low. I bought a gadget on Amazon called a Gunson Gastester that measures CO. This Lexus is showing no sign of catalytic converter problems as of 1 year with it's aspirated CNG system. However my Scion xA with a more expensive fuel injected CNG system might have a bad catalytic converter after 3 years of CNG use. I've heard of folks having problems with catalytic converters using the fuel injected CNG system.
In Arkansas, the state government will pay 50% of the cost. A business owner can charge $10,000 get paid 5,000 by the goverment and 5,000 by the customer that is $7,000 dollars in profit per vehicle if cost of business is $2000 per car.
@riverice7 CNG sure seems to be the most logical way for drivers to diversify. You use your existing car and you aren't required to give up gasoline. Just give a some trunk space.
How much lesss fuel would be used if you simple put natural gas into the air stream. The O2 sensor should account for the richer mixture and lean out the gasoline injection shouldn't it? Or is the O2 sensor's impact on mixture very narrow? Does natural gas suffer from pre-detonation like low octane gasoline or is the BTU content low enough that it can be run in a high compression engine with no knocking problems?
Nice video. I'm local to you and have a couple questions. Have you had any CEL's? Also, are you concerned about the way your line is run underneath the car? It seem very susceptible in some areas to damage? Can it not be safely ran next to the gasoline line (that is much more 'hidden')? Thanks!
@TheJoePepper I get check engine light all the time. That's on this self install and my other car with fancier pro install. I use my Kiwi Drive Green gadget to reset CEL, monitor engine sensors, and driving efficiency. You are right about the line being susceptible to damage. I have since replaced it with Swagelok stainless line and routed it down the same track with the brake and gasoline lines. I added some other safety features too. In need to make a new video showing changes.
@TheJoePepper My car is registered in Indiana where there is no inspection. I also reside in Summit County, Utah and I don't believe inspection is required there. I have an acquaintance in Park City that says inspection isn't required on his two Honda Civic GXs. Only in Salt Lake valley from what I understand. Let me know if I'm wrong about this.
@ngvconversion I see. Well GX's are factory built CNG vehicles so they don't throw codes. Yeah, only 4 counties do emissions and Summit isn't one of them. I'm guessing you're a student or work for the military, or haven't lived here for 6 months yet.
Great video, watch out for those blue splicer connectors(scotch locks), they have a habit of causing bad connections over time. I always strip back and solder connections like that. Thanks for posting
Recently I saw some pieces the news like Fox news and the journal with Joan Lunden on PBS that were highlighting the advantages of Natural gas as an alternative. It is great to know that a portion of our society is moving in that direction. Mostly it will amount to an environmental impact choice because it sounds like the cost difference isn’t huge once you do the conversions etc. But I think long term it will probably start becoming more of a real advantag
@permanetmarker2004 If installed correctly, a CNG tank is no more dangerous than a gasoline tank. Chevrolet, Ford, Hyundai, Honda, Fiat, and Toyota all manufacture CNG vehicles. All with trunk mounted tanks.
@ngvconversion Does it matter is your vehicle is OBD-I or OBD-II? Any noticeable horsepower loss with CNG versus gasoline? I'm looking in to converting my '94 Honda Civic coupe to CNG :)
@Vietwhiteboy OBD isn't utilized by the conversion kit. You lose about 10-15% of your power with CNG. I don't mind the power loss because CNG is only $1.25 to $1.80 where I hang out.
why did you put the line all the way to the very front of that car? if you have any kind of front end damage you will have to replace... there has to be a better way.
@cboogiebaker Its very convenient to fill from the front bumper. Didn't have to drill any holes in the car body or lift the hood each time I fuel. Less than $100 to replace if damaged. The car is quite old and would probably be totaled with minor bumper damage.
@cboogiebaker I'm planning on doing a conversion on my pickup and putting it near the existing fuel fill if there's room. We'll see. This is exciting stuff.
2 or 7 gallon tank? is this all that are on the market? I looked at your 2 gallon, I can only imagine what a 30 gallon would look like or 40 must be as big as the car.. doesnt seem to be worth it or am I missing something?
@Littlerockcarriage1 Its worth it. At $1.25 per gallon, CNG is dirt cheap compared to gasoline, propane, or diesel. I went from spending $240 per month to get to work on gasoline to $80 per month with CNG. A 9 gallon CNG tank is about the largest tank that I can fit in my trunk. I used the 2 gal tank to show a conversion could be done for under $1000. I was going to replace it with an 8 gal tank, but I'm able to do 90% of my driving on the 2gal tank and I still have 75% of my trunk space.
@distill8 Not really and here is why. I noticed that professional CNG installers have a difficult time staying in business. You have to sell a $2000 DIY conversion for $5000-$10000. Also, customer support issues can erode your profit. I think installing and maintaining yourself is the best way to go.
I love CNG, but take this video with a grain of salt. CNG conversion should only be done by a professional mechanic with CNG experience AND with only new components. I learned about it on skycng.com and got some straightforward info.
@skip21al I made this video and I'm glad you took the time to comment. All my parts were brand new. I'm hoping that you are a professional CNG installer and will share with me how I can improve my CNG installation. I have a few of questions.
1. What safety issues do you see with my installation?
2. Why should the CNG conversion only be done by a professional installer?
3. How much would a professional CNG installer charge for the $1000 conversion shown in this video?
@ngvconversion I apologize if you took offense. I meant that a $1000 conversion is pretty rare and viewers shouldnt go out thinking they can duplicate what you did... at least not easily. I am not an installer. I am curious if your CNG cylinder is FMVSS 304/NGV2 certified. I didnt hear you mention it, nor did I see any required markings on the outside of the cylinder. Also,is your conversion NFPA 52 certified? Without these certs the system is too dangerous to me. Congrats on the setup, though.
@skip21al Tank is new and stamped ISO 11439 with 2024 exp. I'll get a FMVSS304 inspect on it and report back . ISO is safe per SkyCNG site. Prob less hassle to go with USDOT tank. I discuss NFPA 52 doc at start of video and where to buy it. I read NFPA 52 and implemented it except for the extensive labeling. Still need to label. Most key CNG parts are foreign made even when installed by U.S. CNG pros. CNG suppliers probably don't care about U.S. stds. U.S. isn't a significant CNG market.
@ngvconversion Sorry I missed the NFPA 52 comment in your video. I really like your conversion and hope more people will learn the advantages of CNG bi-fuel vehicles.
@skip21al Re:FMVSS 304/NGV2 tank inspection. Called two CNG tank inspection places in Salt Lake today. Both said the tank does not require inspection until it has been in use for 3 years. However, both said they only install USDOT approved tanks. They didn't seem to have any concern that I was using an ISO approved tank. ISO is international safety standard.
@ngvconversion First, there are documents everywhere that say you need inspection every 36,000 miles or 3 years... whichever comes first. I am confused by your phone calls and would like those inspectors contact info for clarification. You are correct that ISO is very safe and reliable, however many states may look for the NGV2 sticker in order to pass emissions and safety tests.
@jorge699686 I have 20-30,000 CNG miles on my first converted car with no problems. It still runs well on CNG and gasoline. Some say CNG actually extends engine life.
The only problem of using natural gas is that you need to beef up the cooling systems because it runs hotter and plus increase the compression ratio in order to at least preserve a majority of horse power but if you don't then you will lose a lot of engine power.
@KeepingModern It only costs $1.25 per gallon. I overlook it's lack of performance and drive like an old man because CNG is so darn cheap. I drive up and over the mountain pass every day at 60 mph instead of 80. I simply hit the button and go back to gasoline if I want to tear it up at high speed. You are right about the compression ratio thing. Cars made for CNG seem to have the same speed and power of a gasoline car.
@LevelOrange Let me know if you find out more info on how to get a phil station, I'd love to fill up at home but I think that phil company went out of business or something & I haven't had much luck finding another home fill station with pricing.
@yonmoore I did look into it and some other company did buy them out, but it appears they are in the $4000 range with no incentives, I think an appropriate price range should be $2000, and some company should be able to make them reliable, profitably at that price I would think. I also read that the phill stations also were not very reliable.
Thank you for getting back to me. I too would try to keep the couplings to a minium and maybe even do a little prewelding of a continuous length avoiding future leaks. I visited a friend in Utah. They are heavy up on CNG.I contacted two companies there. Good stuff and I am regearing my head to think this way. Also recently, I saw Boone Pickens, prior to my Salt Lake trip , lecturing in Marin county California. I am not one of his supporters but he got me to thinking about natural gas.
@SwagelokSaltLake I recommend that folks come to you and order a few of the 6mm tubing couplers and a bottle of the Snoop Liquid Leak Detector to use with the 6mm coiled steel tubing they got with the kit. After they see the quality of your stainless tubing and well engineered fittings, I think many will use your 1/4" stainless tubing instead of the 6mm coiled steel tubing that came with the kit.
@mgiaca $4500 for a conversion it too much. If you have some shade tree mechanical skills you can do it yourself for $1000-$2000 like the rest of the world. I would like to find a reliable and inexpensive home fueler, but I don't know of any. Most home fuelers seem too expensive with too many strings attached. I'd like to find a home fueler for under $3000 that I can order on the Internet and install myself.
@unholynationmorons, Electric is not cheaper. It does not have the range of an NGV or gasoline, or ethanol. Also, the material used to produce electric vehicle still is expensive and still demands on world conflict areas to mine the raw material to produce it.
An electric car is still cheaper. The 1k you spent converting plus trading in your car probably would of got you half way to affording one. This is intresting though.
@unholynationmorons The car + conversion are worth about $5K. I want an electric car. Where can I get one that I can drive on freeway for $10K? I've been looking at the Leaf and MiEV, but they aren't in the showroom. I would pay $35K for an EV from any major auto manufacturer. Where can I find one?
@ngvconversion I use to have a list, but the ones I could find for searching for a bit ill messege you. Detroit electric motors e63, and fords 2012 electric car are looking good. Compressed air cars I heard are also on the market, for 13,000 each if you can find them.
@unholynationmorons Of course it's not cheaper to have an electric car the greeniac absolutists will make up any lie. They figure if they keep repeating it people will start to believe it. Having an electric car you'd have a limited range, & have to wait hours for a recharge. The great thing about your set up is immediate fuel replenishment. Range is not limited because, you can switch to gasoline until the cng infrastructure expands. Lastly you drive a Lexus not a fugly leaf or $60k tesla.
I might be interested in doing thi myself, did you have enough space in the trunk between the wheel wells to accommodate a 7.4 gge tank? Also if I ended up doing a conversion like that I think I'd want to protect the CNG lines from rocks and debris in the road by running the line under the matting inside the passenger compartment. Or drilling holes to thread the line through the frame rails under the car. Aside from the additional time & effort do you see any problem with doing this?
@ashonteibilly The 7.4 gal tank easily fits;however, I give up my spare tire. Please don't run the high pressure lines through the interior of your car. This is very dangerous. Please buy the NFPA 52 document shown at the start of the video, it describes how to install everything safely. Remember that your brake lines run under the car exposed to the elements for years. I'm re-installing better quality Swagelok stainless steel tubing right alongside my brake lines. Through frame sounds ok.
Nice job on the video. If anyone is looking for these low cost CNG conversion kits, and low cost tanks, Energy and Water Solutions has them. Our website is shown on the video.
@ngvconversion This is a great video, i do have a few questions that weren't covered in the video. i am also converting my 5.3 liter silverado and i was wondering if you can start your car on cng? you didn't do that in the video. also i was wondering if you did anything to your timing. All me research says that the timing needs to be advanced to allow it to run better on cng. let me know what you know about these 2 things.
@jtownbucknut The conversion kit shown in the video supposedly has the ability to start on CNG. I've never tried the feature. I'll try it and let you know. I have a different kit on another car and it must start on gasoline. I didn't do anything with the timing. I'm such a lighweight, I didn't even use the computer software that came with the kit to tune and adjust. All I did was adjust the idle screw on the CNG regulator and that was it.
@jtownbucknut I tried the CNG ONLY mode and it works. It was 24 degrees this morning and it didn't sound like it was going to make it, but it did start. It looks like I don't have to warm up on gasoline then let it switch at 2000 RPM. The manual refers to it as a Emergency Start Mode to be used when your car has no gasoline available.
@mpatmios I don't have any brand preference. This technology had been around for decades. If it is inexpensive and easy to install, I would buy it. Galileo and Diel seem popular. Anything else would probably be just as good. If you are a professional CNG installer and converting fleets the brand is probably important. However, for the DIYer, I don't think it matters much who makes it.
@jtownbucknut Question : Why did you feel the need for a coupling near the valve on the hard line?? Why not just fish the hard line uncut all the way?? Just trying to keep as many no essential cuts on the line as possible. Thx S
@seau2007 You are right, the tubing run should be more streamlined with fewer couplers. There are basically 2 diameters of tubing. 6mm coiled tubing that you get with the kit and 1/4" stainless steel tubing from Swagelok. I do so much experimentation that I didn't have enough of the coiled 6mm tubing left to complete the circuit. I have lots of 1/4" Swagelok tubing and adapter fittings to go from 6mm diameter to 1/4" diameter.
@ngvconversion I have try get the adapter to go from 6mmdianeter to 1/4 stainless but Swagelok said they did not have one .If you have the part number I sure would like to get from you
Description: SS Swagelok Tube Fitting, Union, 6 mm x 1/4 in. Tube OD
Unit Price: USD 11.10
Availability: Usually ships within 2 business days
I can't believe they told you they don't have it. They should have looked this part up for you. Swagelok typically finds a part for me just based on the description I give them.
@seau2007 This particular kit and the ewsewscom replacement can start and run on CNG ONLY if you want. You don't even have to start on gasoline if you don't want to. I didn't know it could do it until folks here started asking about it. I have a kit from AG Autogaz on my other car and it must start on gasoline. As a result, I didn't think the Diel kit could do it either, but I was wrong. Now I start on CNG only. I use less than 2 gallons of gasoline per month. It's great!
@jtownbucknut Good instructional video. I called your office today.I''m from out of town and and visiting Salt Lake for the next few days. Would like to talk with you on your kits. S
I already knew about the power hit. I drive 35 minute to work each day. I'll prob use CNG on the highway (90% of the time) and gas in rural hilly areas or when towing.
I'm probably going to buy a 3600# tank irregardless of the regulator b/c it's available to me. There are 3600, 3600/3000 and 3000 fill stations around me. I will probably setup in such a way I can fill-up w/ either. I will prob just install a pressure gauge at the fill port to shut off at 3000#.
Even w/ a 3600# tank I would worry that the pressure would blow the diaphragms out of the regulator prematurely.
@keith2027 I bought it with a 3600 PSI fill port instead of a 3000 PSI. I have another car with a professionally installed 3000 PSI system. It also came with a 3600 PSI fill port. I don't really gain much by filling on a 3600 PSI dispenser.
The 6 cyl, 3L engine runs smooth on CNG, but seems like 10-20% less power. It's worth it for $2.00 less per gallon. Don't expect it to have as much pep as gasoline.
From what Ive learned and seen in conversions to NG they DO NOT get as good as Gasoline or Propane but get 1/2 the mileage.
TEXANConnection 4 days ago
@TEXANConnection The CNG tank only has about 1/2 the fuel capacity of the gasoline tank so you have to fill it more often. However, MPG for CNG and gasoline are about the same.
ngvconversion 4 days ago
@ngvconversion The article I read some years ago the Texas RR commission converted a truck to all 3 and the CNG performed the worst, it was harder to get the fuel, The Tank was more of a problem, than LP or Gasoline. It burns no Cleaner than LP if thats your Goal. Its a waste of time and Money, there is a a better alternative thats better, If you look at cities that went to NG in there vehicals they last about 5 to 8 yrs then either go back to Propane or gas or diesel..
TEXANConnection 4 days ago
@TEXANConnection Texans love their propane and that's okay. Utah Mormons love CNG. The more ways to fuel cars the better. There are over 6000 CNG vehicles in Utah and a large network of public CNG fueling stations maintained by the gas company, Questar. Half the CNG vehicles are more than 10 years old . They last much longer than 8 years and don't get converted back to propane or gasoline.
ngvconversion 4 days ago
@ngvconversion to each his own my friend, But LP outweigh the NG conversion, Proven time and time again (and its nothing to do with me being in Texas). LP for vehicles has been around for close to 90 years. Your accomplishing the same thing you desire with better performance, expense,availability, and convenience on LP.
TEXANConnection 4 days ago
Do you fill that up at Strickland Propane?
Gligar13Vids 4 days ago
@Gligar13Vids Hank Hill and Mr. Strickland are hard core propane guys. They wouldn't have anything to do with natural gas.
ngvconversion 4 days ago
Great video. Thanks a lot. I do own a Civic GX on CNG. I like it so much, that I would like to convert my 2008 Toyota Solara to CNG. Can you do it? Can you recommend someone in the S California area?
Thanks
haralambie01 6 days ago
what kind of miles per gallon of CNG can be expected?
broncotoe 1 week ago
@broncotoe CNG has about the same MPG as gasoline
ngvconversion 1 week ago
I appreciate your help, I watched your video link below, however, I noticed
a comment in regards to DOT NY standards, it seems as though there is
always a catch. I bet DOT would say it would have to be installed by a
trained technician, which would be way out of my price range, if so. Let me
know if that is the case for NY as my State is Strict on our laws...Thank
you for all your information.
townkevin59 1 week ago
@townkevin59 The government typically doesn't know how to advise you when it comes to alternative fuels. If it passes your state's vehicle safety and emissions program you should be okay. At worst they will probably ask you to remove the system. I doubt you'll have to do time at Attica.
ngvconversion 1 week ago
Are these kits certified by the EPA and carb? Is the tank DOT certified?
makeitubE 3 weeks ago
@makeitubE I don't think that any of these components are EPA, CARB, or DOT approved. These are United States standards and the vast majority of CNG hardware is sold outside the U.S. America is currently a super-small CNG market. I think that a couple of very populated states like CA and NY require EPA and DOT, but most don't.
ngvconversion 3 weeks ago
Great vid. Those blue wire connectors are crap. I suggest solder and heat shrink for no problems down the road.
InnesOil 3 weeks ago
@InnesOil You are right. I've been warned about using those blue crimp connectors before.
ngvconversion 3 weeks ago
@InnesOil Great plan, solder and heat shrink,... but what about when you get into a spot like where he is at there...where there is NO room to even strip a wire, let alone push a heat shrink tube back far enough to not be bungled by the heat of the soldering....what would you suggest then?
Vinnybrain 1 week ago
Wonderful conversion vid
BabyShowerStuffcom 1 month ago
Thanks for making this video, best video on the conversion I've seen. I'm pretty interested in doing this myself on my 01' civic. What exact kit did you use and from where did you purchase it? Thanks!
v8fieromatt 1 month ago
@v8fieromatt I used a Diel kit. The links to purchase are in the video and the description section of the video. There are several places you can buy it. I also think there are other kits that work just as well.
ngvconversion 1 month ago
@ngvconversion Didn't see a $550 dollar kit on ebay, would the one you bought be similar to the one from Red Star Energy? They sell one for $499 that looks similar or would something like the Model CNGE4 from EWS be a better bet? Thanks!
v8fieromatt 1 month ago
how many miles do you get per gallon of CNG?
wowcolors 1 month ago
@wowcolors MPG is about the same as gasoline.
ngvconversion 1 month ago
You mention you have a Scion xA with CNG installed. Can you show a video of that installed system? I have a Scion xA and would like to install a CNG conversion kit on it. Seeing some of the necessary components and your professional placement would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
SuperSuperGenius 1 month ago
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ClarksonsinUSA 2 months ago
Funny you should say that----because I was doing just that-----mitsubushi---is selling them here in san jose california---might go test drive one----i have an old 87 volvo that i dont want to part with---but she failed smog at least a grand to repair to pass so am still debateing---thank you again
riseingstardust 2 months ago
I just bought the exact same kit today with dual 3 gallon fuel bottles. I'm going to install it in my 04 Tacoma. It all seems pretty simple and straight forward. Im excited to get going on it. Any tips or advice? Please reply or email to radfords@gmail.com. Thanks!
SweetDewMe 2 months ago
By having a fuel choice you just hedged your future mobility in case of gasoline disruptions. Same for plug in hybrids, electric or gas. Well done...
MrEnergyCzar 2 months ago
thank you for the reply---am debateing on cng or convert to electric---the smog controls in california are pretty tight but rightfully so---i dont want to cause more problems by solveing one---thank you again
riseingstardust 2 months ago
@riseingstardust Seems like California discourages CNG DIYers, but embraces electric vehicle DIYers. I now have CNG,gasoline,and electric. EV is probably the path of least government resistance in CA. Check out the new Mitsubishi iMiev coming out next year. It looks great for going to work and running errands. It's cheaper and not as fancy as the Leaf.
ngvconversion 2 months ago
well done---any idea how it is on smog and catalytic converters----thank you in advance
riseingstardust 2 months ago
@riseingstardust CO output is low. I bought a gadget on Amazon called a Gunson Gastester that measures CO. This Lexus is showing no sign of catalytic converter problems as of 1 year with it's aspirated CNG system. However my Scion xA with a more expensive fuel injected CNG system might have a bad catalytic converter after 3 years of CNG use. I've heard of folks having problems with catalytic converters using the fuel injected CNG system.
ngvconversion 2 months ago
In Arkansas, the state government will pay 50% of the cost. A business owner can charge $10,000 get paid 5,000 by the goverment and 5,000 by the customer that is $7,000 dollars in profit per vehicle if cost of business is $2000 per car.
riverice7 2 months ago
THIS is the future not solar power, algae power nonsense...this is it...
riverice7 2 months ago
@riverice7 CNG sure seems to be the most logical way for drivers to diversify. You use your existing car and you aren't required to give up gasoline. Just give a some trunk space.
ngvconversion 2 months ago
Home made is not as safe as factory,I don't like unexpected explosions...
TheChristianRight09 2 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 How many U.S. auto factories produce CNG cars? Just one, Honda in Greensburg, Indiana. Thats it.
ngvconversion 2 months ago
spend 1000$+ to save a few dollars? sounds logical...
STREETRACEN4U 3 months ago
@STREETRACEN4U Gasoline is $3.40 per gallon. Natural gas is $1.25 per gallon. Huge savings!
ngvconversion 3 months ago
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How much lesss fuel would be used if you simple put natural gas into the air stream. The O2 sensor should account for the richer mixture and lean out the gasoline injection shouldn't it? Or is the O2 sensor's impact on mixture very narrow? Does natural gas suffer from pre-detonation like low octane gasoline or is the BTU content low enough that it can be run in a high compression engine with no knocking problems?
LiveItLiveNow 3 months ago
Nice video. I'm local to you and have a couple questions. Have you had any CEL's? Also, are you concerned about the way your line is run underneath the car? It seem very susceptible in some areas to damage? Can it not be safely ran next to the gasoline line (that is much more 'hidden')? Thanks!
TheJoePepper 3 months ago
@TheJoePepper I get check engine light all the time. That's on this self install and my other car with fancier pro install. I use my Kiwi Drive Green gadget to reset CEL, monitor engine sensors, and driving efficiency. You are right about the line being susceptible to damage. I have since replaced it with Swagelok stainless line and routed it down the same track with the brake and gasoline lines. I added some other safety features too. In need to make a new video showing changes.
ngvconversion 3 months ago
@ngvconversion Okay, so I'm guessing you just reset the light right before you go in for your annual inspection?
TheJoePepper 3 months ago
@TheJoePepper My car is registered in Indiana where there is no inspection. I also reside in Summit County, Utah and I don't believe inspection is required there. I have an acquaintance in Park City that says inspection isn't required on his two Honda Civic GXs. Only in Salt Lake valley from what I understand. Let me know if I'm wrong about this.
ngvconversion 3 months ago
@ngvconversion I see. Well GX's are factory built CNG vehicles so they don't throw codes. Yeah, only 4 counties do emissions and Summit isn't one of them. I'm guessing you're a student or work for the military, or haven't lived here for 6 months yet.
TheJoePepper 3 months ago
Great video, watch out for those blue splicer connectors(scotch locks), they have a habit of causing bad connections over time. I always strip back and solder connections like that. Thanks for posting
LE55ONS 4 months ago
How many MPG did you get with gasoline
? And how far does the 2 gallons of CNG get you in city?
dragonblood199 4 months ago
@dragonblood199 MPG is about the same as with gasoline. I can go about 45 miles city with the 2 gallon tank.
ngvconversion 4 months ago
Recently I saw some pieces the news like Fox news and the journal with Joan Lunden on PBS that were highlighting the advantages of Natural gas as an alternative. It is great to know that a portion of our society is moving in that direction. Mostly it will amount to an environmental impact choice because it sounds like the cost difference isn’t huge once you do the conversions etc. But I think long term it will probably start becoming more of a real advantag
ldavis741 5 months ago
this looks great, but what are the risks of an accident? the tank makes me a little scared..
permanetmarker2004 5 months ago
@permanetmarker2004 If installed correctly, a CNG tank is no more dangerous than a gasoline tank. Chevrolet, Ford, Hyundai, Honda, Fiat, and Toyota all manufacture CNG vehicles. All with trunk mounted tanks.
ngvconversion 5 months ago
I have NFPA 52 available in .pdf format for small price. PM for instructions.
BPwhistleblower 5 months ago
Good stuff! And great work. I'd be curious to see how the kit holds up over time. The one I plan to buy is also from ewsews.com
yonmoore 6 months ago
Where can I buy this conversion kit and will it fit a honda or other economy cars?
kscollier2000 6 months ago
My uncle have a 1975 Chevrolet v8 on natural gas...is amazing!
zombra6 6 months ago
In Dominican republic , 80% of the car are converted to natural gas since 15 or 20 years ago.
zombra6 6 months ago
@zombra6 Very cool! How much is a gallon or litre in DR? We're waiting for this to happen in US.
mizuno504 5 months ago
@mizuno504 NTG is 0.70 dollar cents= 25 pesos in DR.
zombra6 5 months ago
@ngvconversion Does it matter is your vehicle is OBD-I or OBD-II? Any noticeable horsepower loss with CNG versus gasoline? I'm looking in to converting my '94 Honda Civic coupe to CNG :)
Vietwhiteboy 7 months ago
@Vietwhiteboy OBD isn't utilized by the conversion kit. You lose about 10-15% of your power with CNG. I don't mind the power loss because CNG is only $1.25 to $1.80 where I hang out.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
@ngvconversion That's good to know. Thanks
Vietwhiteboy 7 months ago
why did you put the line all the way to the very front of that car? if you have any kind of front end damage you will have to replace... there has to be a better way.
cboogiebaker 7 months ago
@cboogiebaker Its very convenient to fill from the front bumper. Didn't have to drill any holes in the car body or lift the hood each time I fuel. Less than $100 to replace if damaged. The car is quite old and would probably be totaled with minor bumper damage.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
@cboogiebaker I'm planning on doing a conversion on my pickup and putting it near the existing fuel fill if there's room. We'll see. This is exciting stuff.
yonmoore 6 months ago
2 or 7 gallon tank? is this all that are on the market? I looked at your 2 gallon, I can only imagine what a 30 gallon would look like or 40 must be as big as the car.. doesnt seem to be worth it or am I missing something?
Littlerockcarriage1 7 months ago
@Littlerockcarriage1 Its worth it. At $1.25 per gallon, CNG is dirt cheap compared to gasoline, propane, or diesel. I went from spending $240 per month to get to work on gasoline to $80 per month with CNG. A 9 gallon CNG tank is about the largest tank that I can fit in my trunk. I used the 2 gal tank to show a conversion could be done for under $1000. I was going to replace it with an 8 gal tank, but I'm able to do 90% of my driving on the 2gal tank and I still have 75% of my trunk space.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
thats larger than 2 gallon tank????
Littlerockcarriage1 7 months ago
@Littlerockcarriage1 Tank looks bigger than it actually is. There is some optical thing with the camera. The tank only 9" diameter.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
Great coversion. Although....
The video production could be tightened up a bit. If you would like some help, give me an email. I am a professional producer.
navcdr@yahoo.com
navcdr 7 months ago
you could make the regulator help out the ac system somehow
tremer88 7 months ago
Mr Skip
Congratulations on completing this impressive task and thanks for the extra effort in making the fine video.
Have you considered providing this service for other people's vehicles ?
Best wishes !
distill8 7 months ago
@distill8 Not really and here is why. I noticed that professional CNG installers have a difficult time staying in business. You have to sell a $2000 DIY conversion for $5000-$10000. Also, customer support issues can erode your profit. I think installing and maintaining yourself is the best way to go.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
I love CNG, but take this video with a grain of salt. CNG conversion should only be done by a professional mechanic with CNG experience AND with only new components. I learned about it on skycng.com and got some straightforward info.
skip21al 7 months ago
@skip21al I made this video and I'm glad you took the time to comment. All my parts were brand new. I'm hoping that you are a professional CNG installer and will share with me how I can improve my CNG installation. I have a few of questions.
1. What safety issues do you see with my installation?
2. Why should the CNG conversion only be done by a professional installer?
3. How much would a professional CNG installer charge for the $1000 conversion shown in this video?
ngvconversion 7 months ago
@ngvconversion I apologize if you took offense. I meant that a $1000 conversion is pretty rare and viewers shouldnt go out thinking they can duplicate what you did... at least not easily. I am not an installer. I am curious if your CNG cylinder is FMVSS 304/NGV2 certified. I didnt hear you mention it, nor did I see any required markings on the outside of the cylinder. Also,is your conversion NFPA 52 certified? Without these certs the system is too dangerous to me. Congrats on the setup, though.
skip21al 7 months ago
@skip21al Tank is new and stamped ISO 11439 with 2024 exp. I'll get a FMVSS304 inspect on it and report back . ISO is safe per SkyCNG site. Prob less hassle to go with USDOT tank. I discuss NFPA 52 doc at start of video and where to buy it. I read NFPA 52 and implemented it except for the extensive labeling. Still need to label. Most key CNG parts are foreign made even when installed by U.S. CNG pros. CNG suppliers probably don't care about U.S. stds. U.S. isn't a significant CNG market.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
@ngvconversion Sorry I missed the NFPA 52 comment in your video. I really like your conversion and hope more people will learn the advantages of CNG bi-fuel vehicles.
skip21al 7 months ago
@skip21al Re:FMVSS 304/NGV2 tank inspection. Called two CNG tank inspection places in Salt Lake today. Both said the tank does not require inspection until it has been in use for 3 years. However, both said they only install USDOT approved tanks. They didn't seem to have any concern that I was using an ISO approved tank. ISO is international safety standard.
ngvconversion 7 months ago
@ngvconversion First, there are documents everywhere that say you need inspection every 36,000 miles or 3 years... whichever comes first. I am confused by your phone calls and would like those inspectors contact info for clarification. You are correct that ISO is very safe and reliable, however many states may look for the NGV2 sticker in order to pass emissions and safety tests.
skip21al 7 months ago
i rilly love this idea, but is it true that natural gas will eventually damege my engine?
jorge699686 8 months ago
@jorge699686 I have 20-30,000 CNG miles on my first converted car with no problems. It still runs well on CNG and gasoline. Some say CNG actually extends engine life.
ngvconversion 8 months ago
The only problem of using natural gas is that you need to beef up the cooling systems because it runs hotter and plus increase the compression ratio in order to at least preserve a majority of horse power but if you don't then you will lose a lot of engine power.
KeepingModern 8 months ago
@KeepingModern It only costs $1.25 per gallon. I overlook it's lack of performance and drive like an old man because CNG is so darn cheap. I drive up and over the mountain pass every day at 60 mph instead of 80. I simply hit the button and go back to gasoline if I want to tear it up at high speed. You are right about the compression ratio thing. Cars made for CNG seem to have the same speed and power of a gasoline car.
ngvconversion 8 months ago
Thanks for sharing! Loved the info and appreciate you helping switch over.
BermudezAdrian 8 months ago
Very nice, only 1 station 30 miles from me, and not near where I ever go....but I think I might do this and get a phill station
LevelOrange 9 months ago
@LevelOrange Let me know if you find out more info on how to get a phil station, I'd love to fill up at home but I think that phil company went out of business or something & I haven't had much luck finding another home fill station with pricing.
yonmoore 6 months ago
@yonmoore I did look into it and some other company did buy them out, but it appears they are in the $4000 range with no incentives, I think an appropriate price range should be $2000, and some company should be able to make them reliable, profitably at that price I would think. I also read that the phill stations also were not very reliable.
LevelOrange 6 months ago
Why we are wasting so much money on ethanol is beyond me when we have so much NG available to us locally.
vampov 9 months ago
Thank you for getting back to me. I too would try to keep the couplings to a minium and maybe even do a little prewelding of a continuous length avoiding future leaks. I visited a friend in Utah. They are heavy up on CNG.I contacted two companies there. Good stuff and I am regearing my head to think this way. Also recently, I saw Boone Pickens, prior to my Salt Lake trip , lecturing in Marin county California. I am not one of his supporters but he got me to thinking about natural gas.
seau2007 9 months ago
@SwagelokSaltLake I recommend that folks come to you and order a few of the 6mm tubing couplers and a bottle of the Snoop Liquid Leak Detector to use with the 6mm coiled steel tubing they got with the kit. After they see the quality of your stainless tubing and well engineered fittings, I think many will use your 1/4" stainless tubing instead of the 6mm coiled steel tubing that came with the kit.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
Thank you for your response. You did a brilliant job on the video. I have the confidence to do it.
mpatmios 10 months ago
The home fueler I was looking at was Phill - $4800 plus extras.
Can you email me, I would like to try this converter for my car and I do have the mechancial skills to do it.
I don't think I can do this alone.
mgiaca@Gmail.com
Mike
mgiaca 10 months ago
I want to go the next step however 5500. for a garage appliance and 4500 converter for my car is getting too expensive. any options
mgiaca@gmail.com
mgiaca 10 months ago
@mgiaca $4500 for a conversion it too much. If you have some shade tree mechanical skills you can do it yourself for $1000-$2000 like the rest of the world. I would like to find a reliable and inexpensive home fueler, but I don't know of any. Most home fuelers seem too expensive with too many strings attached. I'd like to find a home fueler for under $3000 that I can order on the Internet and install myself.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@unholynationmorons, Electric is not cheaper. It does not have the range of an NGV or gasoline, or ethanol. Also, the material used to produce electric vehicle still is expensive and still demands on world conflict areas to mine the raw material to produce it.
rmueller58 10 months ago
An electric car is still cheaper. The 1k you spent converting plus trading in your car probably would of got you half way to affording one. This is intresting though.
unholynationmorons 10 months ago
@unholynationmorons The car + conversion are worth about $5K. I want an electric car. Where can I get one that I can drive on freeway for $10K? I've been looking at the Leaf and MiEV, but they aren't in the showroom. I would pay $35K for an EV from any major auto manufacturer. Where can I find one?
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@ngvconversion I use to have a list, but the ones I could find for searching for a bit ill messege you. Detroit electric motors e63, and fords 2012 electric car are looking good. Compressed air cars I heard are also on the market, for 13,000 each if you can find them.
unholynationmorons 10 months ago
@unholynationmorons Of course it's not cheaper to have an electric car the greeniac absolutists will make up any lie. They figure if they keep repeating it people will start to believe it. Having an electric car you'd have a limited range, & have to wait hours for a recharge. The great thing about your set up is immediate fuel replenishment. Range is not limited because, you can switch to gasoline until the cng infrastructure expands. Lastly you drive a Lexus not a fugly leaf or $60k tesla.
ashonteibilly 10 months ago
I might be interested in doing thi myself, did you have enough space in the trunk between the wheel wells to accommodate a 7.4 gge tank? Also if I ended up doing a conversion like that I think I'd want to protect the CNG lines from rocks and debris in the road by running the line under the matting inside the passenger compartment. Or drilling holes to thread the line through the frame rails under the car. Aside from the additional time & effort do you see any problem with doing this?
ashonteibilly 10 months ago
@ashonteibilly The 7.4 gal tank easily fits;however, I give up my spare tire. Please don't run the high pressure lines through the interior of your car. This is very dangerous. Please buy the NFPA 52 document shown at the start of the video, it describes how to install everything safely. Remember that your brake lines run under the car exposed to the elements for years. I'm re-installing better quality Swagelok stainless steel tubing right alongside my brake lines. Through frame sounds ok.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
Nice job on the video. If anyone is looking for these low cost CNG conversion kits, and low cost tanks, Energy and Water Solutions has them. Our website is shown on the video.
ewsewscom 10 months ago
@ngvconversion This is a great video, i do have a few questions that weren't covered in the video. i am also converting my 5.3 liter silverado and i was wondering if you can start your car on cng? you didn't do that in the video. also i was wondering if you did anything to your timing. All me research says that the timing needs to be advanced to allow it to run better on cng. let me know what you know about these 2 things.
jtownbucknut 10 months ago
@jtownbucknut The conversion kit shown in the video supposedly has the ability to start on CNG. I've never tried the feature. I'll try it and let you know. I have a different kit on another car and it must start on gasoline. I didn't do anything with the timing. I'm such a lighweight, I didn't even use the computer software that came with the kit to tune and adjust. All I did was adjust the idle screw on the CNG regulator and that was it.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@jtownbucknut I tried the CNG ONLY mode and it works. It was 24 degrees this morning and it didn't sound like it was going to make it, but it did start. It looks like I don't have to warm up on gasoline then let it switch at 2000 RPM. The manual refers to it as a Emergency Start Mode to be used when your car has no gasoline available.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@ngvconversion
Congrats! I am looking actively to do this myself. Since there are multiple sources for "kits" which brand to you recommend? Thank you
mpatmios 10 months ago
@mpatmios I don't have any brand preference. This technology had been around for decades. If it is inexpensive and easy to install, I would buy it. Galileo and Diel seem popular. Anything else would probably be just as good. If you are a professional CNG installer and converting fleets the brand is probably important. However, for the DIYer, I don't think it matters much who makes it.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@jtownbucknut Question : Why did you feel the need for a coupling near the valve on the hard line?? Why not just fish the hard line uncut all the way?? Just trying to keep as many no essential cuts on the line as possible. Thx S
seau2007 10 months ago
@seau2007 You are right, the tubing run should be more streamlined with fewer couplers. There are basically 2 diameters of tubing. 6mm coiled tubing that you get with the kit and 1/4" stainless steel tubing from Swagelok. I do so much experimentation that I didn't have enough of the coiled 6mm tubing left to complete the circuit. I have lots of 1/4" Swagelok tubing and adapter fittings to go from 6mm diameter to 1/4" diameter.
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@ngvconversion I have try get the adapter to go from 6mmdianeter to 1/4 stainless but Swagelok said they did not have one .If you have the part number I sure would like to get from you
dcbrady37 2 months ago
@dcbrady37 Here is the part info:
Part No.: SS-6M0-6-4
Description: SS Swagelok Tube Fitting, Union, 6 mm x 1/4 in. Tube OD
Unit Price: USD 11.10
Availability: Usually ships within 2 business days
I can't believe they told you they don't have it. They should have looked this part up for you. Swagelok typically finds a part for me just based on the description I give them.
ngvconversion 2 months ago
@jtownbucknut Can you start the car on CNG??
seau2007 10 months ago
@seau2007 This particular kit and the ewsewscom replacement can start and run on CNG ONLY if you want. You don't even have to start on gasoline if you don't want to. I didn't know it could do it until folks here started asking about it. I have a kit from AG Autogaz on my other car and it must start on gasoline. As a result, I didn't think the Diel kit could do it either, but I was wrong. Now I start on CNG only. I use less than 2 gallons of gasoline per month. It's great!
ngvconversion 10 months ago
@jtownbucknut Good instructional video. I called your office today.I''m from out of town and and visiting Salt Lake for the next few days. Would like to talk with you on your kits. S
seau2007 10 months ago
nice video, very informative and complete
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th86stone 11 months ago
I already knew about the power hit. I drive 35 minute to work each day. I'll prob use CNG on the highway (90% of the time) and gas in rural hilly areas or when towing.
keith2027 11 months ago
Thanks.
I'm probably going to buy a 3600# tank irregardless of the regulator b/c it's available to me. There are 3600, 3600/3000 and 3000 fill stations around me. I will probably setup in such a way I can fill-up w/ either. I will prob just install a pressure gauge at the fill port to shut off at 3000#.
Even w/ a 3600# tank I would worry that the pressure would blow the diaphragms out of the regulator prematurely.
How long have you had your system?
keith2027 11 months ago
@keith2027 I've been using it for about a month now.
ngvconversion 11 months ago
I have been looking at the same kits that you used. They are rated for 3000 psi. How did you adjust for the 3600 psi fill station?
Did your Lexus run well on it? I'm looking to convert a 5.3L vortec v8 in my Silverado.
Thanks,
Keith
keith2027 11 months ago
@keith2027 I bought it with a 3600 PSI fill port instead of a 3000 PSI. I have another car with a professionally installed 3000 PSI system. It also came with a 3600 PSI fill port. I don't really gain much by filling on a 3600 PSI dispenser.
The 6 cyl, 3L engine runs smooth on CNG, but seems like 10-20% less power. It's worth it for $2.00 less per gallon. Don't expect it to have as much pep as gasoline.
ngvconversion 11 months ago