after he successfully wrestled with the angel of the Lord. Jacob's twelve sons became the ancestors of the Israelites. Jacob and his sons had lived in Canaan but were forced by famine to go into Egypt for four generations until Moses, a great-great grandson of Jacob, led the Israelites back into Canaan in the "Exodus". The earliest archaeological artifact to mention the word "Israel" is the Merneptah Stele of ancient Egypt (13th century BCE).
for all you brainwashed arabs/muslims - these are the historical facts, and the proof that ISRAEL belongs to jew: The name Israel has historically been used, in common and religious usage, to refer to the biblical Kingdom of Israel or the entire Jewish nation. According to the Hebrew Bible the name "Israel" was given to the patriarch Jacob (Standard Yisraʾel, Isrāʾīl; Septuagint Greek: Ἰσραήλ; "struggle with God".....
this guy calls me an "extremist". i'm being slandered for believing that *a people* (nation/race/creed) who are oppressed & persecuted Need self-determination in their homeland, to be able to live as normal human beings for the 1st time, instead of "sub-humans". this is zionism. its not just for the jews either, the armenians, kurds, phoenicians, blacks, berbers, tibetans, the list goes on.
i'm passionately pro-peace, pro-equality for all jews&arabs, pro-self-determination for both. "extremist"
what a load of shit. zionist immigrants steal land and kill the indigenous people, and then you claim the they are the good guys. israelis are killing the very people they claim to be. the palestinians were the jews and were the israelites in the area, they converted as new religions emerged. clearly youre a fucking moron.
@oc00011 well youre a jew, and believe a magical supreme overlord made everything, so youre about as fucking retarded as a human being could be. your proof is bullshit, and i know i can safely dismiss it before looking at it. in the 2nd century ad roman coins had PALESTINE written on them. in the 5 century bc Herodotus wrote of the palestinian people. genetic testing has proven the palestinians have lived in the region for well over 2000 years. your religion and all your beliefs are shit.
@mintyvision "i know i can safely dismiss it before looking at it" - disappointing. u discredited urself already- as a "highly educated" person i would've thought that u would appreciate the thought process that involves *empiricism*, reason, along the lines of 'the enlightenment' era.
as a "highly educated" person u shud also know many/most jews are not only secularists but atheist, as i am. jews is primarily a nationality, 2ndly a religion. embarrassing, u really shud know this.
@oc00011 really you dont believe in god? yet you defend the absurd notion that god gave the israelites the land from egypt to syria. jew is not a nationality. that is complete and utter bullshit and merely discredits you as a delusional extremist. Judaism is a religion, and that is not open to interpretation. an american jew is and american, and a british jew is a brit, they are not fucking jewish first and foremost.
@mintyvision dear oh dear, u really are ignorant. i ignore the bible(torah) on issues of identity, as do many/most jews. the *historical* record of jews has its origin in a place (canaan/israel), where the people had a collective way of life, clothing, LANGUAGE (hebrew), literature, philosophy, religion, the arts. its a nation. that's how jews in the diaspora as well as native palestinian jews, as well as modern israelis, still speak hebrew today, & many cultural aspects are kept.
@oc00011 nonsense. thats all i have to say to that. your talking utter shit. jews are not all native to that region and have no right to it. its a basic land grab. hebrew etc is kept in play because of the preservation of culture through religion, not because youve genetically inherited the ability as your a decedent from the region. fact.
@mintyvision i didn't say all jews are native to there, what's wrong with u seriously. however all jews to have a right to live there as self-determined people, living as normal human beings for the 1st time. they achieved this right thru decades of diplomacy with world powers, until Remo conference made it legal under international law, balfour declaration & mandate of palestine also legitimizing jews' right to live like evry1 else.
@mintyvision [continued] actually the roman coins had 'syria palestina' written on them. this was after the 2nd jewish revolt. the romans wanted to erase the country's name 'israel' & replace it with a name of their old enemies, the philistines. it was the british that adopted the name palestine from the romans, before the british, it was known to palestinian jews & arabs as southern 'greater syria'. a 'palestinian nation' never existed in history, ever. the concept began in the 60s
@oc00011 what does it matter if the indigenous people were called syrians, palestinians, arabs, christians or jews? the fact of the matter is you lot emigrated to a region from all over the world under the bullshit premise of aaliyah and opressed and killed them, then accused them of being terrorists for their attempts at retaliation and defence. you fuckers are just as bad as the nazis and what you have done is genocide, the exact same thing you lot bitch about being victims of.
@mintyvision it angers me when bigots like u try to tell me, a jew, what it means to be a jew. RESEARCH IT FOR URSELF U CUNT.
the notion of god giving my ancestors right of land? fuck off. many jews don't believe in that rubbish. zionism is the right to light a fucking candle on a certain day without having your family killed for it. jews needed self-determination in their *historical* homeland, as do palestinians, as do kurds, as did blacks etc.
@oc00011 bigots like me? you people support genocide. i oppose the unethical actions of israel, and all religion. my beliefs are political and based on morality, not race or ethnicity. you are stupid because of your beliefs, not your race...you cunt. zionism is illegal settlements on palestinian land, demolishing palestinian homes, armed military raids, shooting at children throwing rocks, slaughtering civilians, oppressing the locals and generally being unapologetically ignorant and evil.
@mintyvision its preservation of religion through culture/nationality, not the other way round. yes ur a bigot - i bet u won't read any of the historical facts i wrote to u. yet u hav these strong accusations without knowing anywhere near half the story.
"you people support genocide" - who knows "my people" better, u or me. i wud never support a genocide, or the intention of it, against Any people. almost All zionists agree.
@oc00011 israel is a secular state in someone elses country. moron. and you bigots have killed thousands of palestinian civilians and hundreds of british soldiers. zionism should be considered fucking treason.
@mintyvision 04/4/1920: arabs attacked jews of jerusalem to shouts of "the jews are our dogs" & "slaughter the jews".
01/5/1921: many british, arab & jewish witnesses all reported arabs with weapons- they beat & killed jews in their homes including small children. arab police took part in the massacre & shot at hiding jews. jewish girls were raped & children beaten to death in the streets.
Many more massacres that followed till 1939, ***before ANY jewish counter attack took place.**
@mintyvision note that i'm giving u facts only. no opinions. engage in dialogue & this won't B a waste of time.
60% of israelis support palestinians having their own sovereign state neighboring israel, & for both nations to live peacefully in co-existence [source: 'The Guardian', 23/11/01]
according to a PALESTINIAN-RUN POLL: 84% of palestinian population *support killing israeli CHILDREN* [Bronner, "Poll Shows Most Palestinians Favor Violence Over Talks" New York Times, 19/03/08]
@mintyvision far from what u've seen on sensationalist politicized media..
airforce leader Eliezer Shkedi succeeded in bringing terrorist to civilian casualty ratio down to 29:1 - LOWEST CIVILIAN CASUALTY RATIO IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF WARFARE [source: Pinpoint Attacks on Gaza More Precise, Haaretz, Amos Harel, 30/12/07]. & u think israel don't make serious efforts to safeguard civilian populations in counterstrikes? IDF soldiers risk their lives for this, i know it 1st hand
@mintyvision what exactly do u think my "beliefs" are? u don't know me. & u obviously don't know anything about jews/zionists. my "race"? jews aren't race, we're a nation. zionism is.... none of those things u mentioned, zero. u have a lot of reading to do kid. a hell of a lot. u shud listen to what zionists like me hav to say about the meaning of being zionist, & the values involved. or don't listen, up to u.
i reiterate, we don't support violence unless for desperate defense.
@oc00011 ummm and yet you lot build illegal settlements on palestinian land, raid their houses, use phosphorus ordinance on civilian areas, target aid, restrict their imports, place curfews on them, use chemical weapons on them and shoot at them. fact. zionists are not a nation. theyre a group of dangerous, murderous, war mongering, land invading oppressive racists. also fact. i know plenty of zionist jews. i work for one, and earlier he was screaming all palestinians are terrorists!
@mintyvision "current settlement building" - i'm against it. most/many zionists R. "zionists are not a nation" - i was educating u about what a 'jew' is (citizen of the jewish nation), not "zionists". definition of zionism: "the right of the jewish nation to be self-determined in their homeland". no religious character to this in its popular form. most zionists, like me, r pro-peace, pro-2 state solution, yet bcoz u met a few "zionist" bad apples ur shouting slogans like evry1 else.
@oc00011 jewish nation is religious cult nonsense. religions are nothing more than evil manipulate organisations and they use bullshit double speak like "jewish nation" to encourage concepts they wish their followers to subscribe to. a few bad apples? ive met fucking thousands. zionism is the forced creation of the jewish nation, and its done by stealing land. its fucking clear as day how wrong that is.
@mintyvision "ive met fucking thousands" - ur so full of shit. "forced creation" - incorrect. its the peaceful diplomacy of decades in 19th&20th centuries to eventually realize the creation of which was legitimately founded under international law - research 'remo convention'. not done by 'stealing land', its a popular myth. ur not open-minded in the slightest. i say i'm zionist & pro-peace&2-state-solution &u call me terrorist. there's something very sinister in your bigotry.
@mintyvision "jewish nation is religious cult nonsense" - incorrect. u need to read up on the jewish enlightenment of the 17th&18th centuries, the prominent figures of secularism & atheism being of jewish bi-nationality. strong advocacy of atheism today among people of jewish bi-nationality. u know nothing of my people, history or identity.
"religions are nothing more than evil manipulate organisations" - that's correct.
u didn't address Any points of my previous messages. bigot.
@oc00011 well sorry im not so well read on the, "jewish enlightenment". a religious group making things up doesnt make it true. your claiming to be jewish without believing in judaism and zionist and without supporting anything israel has done. your personal history and identity are a fantasy and your people have oppressed and killed civilians and taken there land. you must be the most fucking passive aggressive person on earth.
@mintyvision "im not so well read on the jewish enlightenment. a religious group making things up doesnt make it true." - oxford definition of ignorance
jewish without the jewish religion is very common, i.e. just the cultural aspects of my nationality. u need to get clued up kid.
zionist without supporting Some acts of Some governments that were/are in power, whilst supporting Many of israel's humanitarian acts And defensive acts. & supporting the right to self-determination.
@oc00011 you need to get clued up simpleton. jewish is not your nationality. you dont have a fucking jewish passport. there is no nation of jew. you live in a deluded fantasy world. being jewish doesnt make you fucking special. if your a zionist you are a racist supporter theft and oppression. exactly the same as the jews suffered under the nazis.
Oxford Dictionary definition of 'nation': "a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory"
Jews have common history, culture, AND language. from common territory. and as of 2010, DNA tests have proven indisputably that jews from europe, middle-east, ethiopia etc on average hav common israelite descent. now tell me antisemite, are my people not a nation?
@oc00011 im not an anti-semite, but people like you make me want to be one, and no your people are not a fucking nation. the particular state or territory you inhabit is stolen, and obviously is not the nation of judaism, as you yourself claim it to be secular. judaism is no more a nation than islam, and if islam is a nation you deluded bastards are trying to set up camp right in it.
@mintyvision "people like you make me want to be" - if u want to be an antisemite, then your mentality says it all. ur hypocrisy 2.
haha come on man i give you oxford dictionary definition showing jews being a nationality 1st and foremost, religion 2nd, & u still shout insults like a crybaby?
the "territory" has a laughable amount of archeological evidence of *historical* ancient israel (forget the bible thing). my ancestors home.
@oc00011 i couldnt be an antisemite as my opinions are political not racial, however you give jews a bad name, because youre a cunt. "inhabiting a particular state or territory", which state or territory do the jews inhabit currently then? especially if israel is secular? you dont fulfil the definition you moron. your ancestors? my ancestors could be from anywhere, doesnt give me a right to destroy the homes of the people there now. youre a brainwashed nazi with a made up heritage. fact.
@mintyvision "youre a brainwashed nazi with a made up heritage. fact." lol i think u need to look up the word 'fact'.
which territory do they inhabit? the same territory that the jews had in ancient times, according to historical/archeological record.
its not about the ancestry but about the 'cultural memory'. the french have france, the africans africa, the chinese china, the kurds need kurdistan etc. not racist/fascist/hateful towards any1. just a basic human right.
@oc00011 nonsense. you can be as persistent as you like with this shit but it will never be true. this zionist attempt to rewrite history is both laughable and scary. people like you are the problems of this world. you are the same type of person that would have supported the nazi party. if its sold properly youll believe it. cultural memory has nothing to do with being a nation. youre squirming and trying to improvise now and its pathetic. tell me where the jewish nation is then?
@mintyvision Oxford Dictionary definition of 'nation': "a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory"
Jews have common history, culture, AND language. from common territory.
now, it follows that if u want to deny that jews are a nation, then u need to prove to me that jews don't have a common history or territory (canaan) or culture or language. u can't. unlucky kid. u lost the argument from day 1 ;)
@oc00011 "INHABITING" being the key word. are the jewish people inhabiting a jewish land? according to you no. its laughable that you would try and have your cake and eat it so obviously. yes i deny you as a nation, as does law, the oxford dictionary and every right thinking person on earth. canaan is also the home of christianity and islam, so islam or christianity can use exactly the same bullshit line if they wished. your argument is so full of flaws, holes and contradictions its pathetic.
@mintyvision every single world-renowned historian that exists will tell u that the jewish people *historically* had their nation state before. there's way too much archeological evidence to ignore. as a nation in these times, yes my people inhabit the same land they once did. lol its so funny seeing u deny this, i'd get more sense out of a chimp.
canaan is *home* for the jewish nation. medina, saudi arabia is the *home* for muslims (not a nation), christians hav Many countries.
@mintyvision [continued] ..so unlucky, u still haven't managed to refute the fact that jews have common history, territory (canaan), culture, language. by the way, to take away the meaning of 'nation' from my people, you'd need to deny the existence of All these aspects, including language. u can't. i would say back to u "your argument is so full of flaws, holes and contradictions its pathetic", but u have no argument. sorry buddy ;)
@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
oh my god a neo-con Zionism = Nazism "Rosh Hashanah 17a ~TALMUD . Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations. " ""It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." ~Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 Its funny how you idiots support such a nation that follow the teachings of the Talmud
IMAGINE ISRAEL FOUGHT THE SAME WAR, WITH THE SAME WEAPONS. WOULD ISRAEL STAND A CHANCE? THEY WON FAIRLY? THEY WON WITH THE HELP OF AMERICA. ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED. OR ARE YOU JUST A JEW? PS DID YOU FORGET ABOUT AFRICA? WHY ARE THEY STILL POOR? THERE CHRISTIANS THERE. YOUR FACTS ARE DUM. YOUR A FOOL WHO SPEAKS BECAUSE HE HAS TO SAY SOMETHING. YOUR SUCH A LOOSER, GO GET A JOB, YOUR NOT GONNA A PENNY OF THESE CHEER-LEADING VIDEOS. YOUR JUST GONNA GET HURT, THE MORE PEOPLE WATCH THIS.
Oh bother, I dont think israel should of existed. Why you ask, because after ww2. The jews should of gone back home! YES HOME, which was RUSSIA, GERMANY,POLAND ECT. Palestine did exist, But Britains captured it. After ww2 WE made AN AGREEMENT. WE CAN NO LONGER KILL OTHER PEOPLE FOR LAND. SO instead of BRITAIN giving it BACK. THEY gave it to the JEWS. WHO ALREADY LIVED IN OTHER COUNTRYS. JEWS ARE NOT A RACE. WITH AMERICAN FOREIGN AID,WEAPONS, THEY WOULD NEVER OF WON. IT WAS A RIGGED WAR. SMARTASS
You are so poor ! you know nth n keep talking shit ! There is no such a thing called Israel !
N that temple that they are searching at under the dome of the rock does not exist ! you suck , this video supposed to be called "STEVEN CROWDER SUCKS" Man just find sth else to talk about that not step on people's cultures and religions .
@AreenBbz Yea big arguements coming from a guy who can't spell properly and seems to have trouble using sentences which aren't fragments. No such thing as Israel? Have you looked at your map lately? Well i'm guessing you don't have one if you still don't think so or you have one which is produced by some sort of terrorist organization
Look at this fucking Zionist clown, who kisses and eats from the ass of the Israelis. Yes Steven continue presenting and chocking the American people with ZIONIST PROPAGANDA.
So did the Soviet Union "rightfully earn" East Germany? I mean the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany and "kicked butt", and you seem to think they were actually an "Evil Empire".
How about China and Tibet? Turkey and Cyprus? The Soviet Union and Afghanistan? Germany and France?
Aggression and occupation is wrong, no matter what the values of the sides are.
Yes but the big difference here is this has always been the jewish homeland for thousands of uears. If was never a islamic/arabic country they are the invaders. Jewish people have a right to their own homeland. Islamic extremist coutnries on all sides want to wipe them of the face of the earth because it is about the spread of islam
What happened thousands of years ago is no basis for international affairs today. I hope you don't seriously think China has a right to occupy Tibet because maybe a thousand years ago it was Chinese territory?
That aside, the "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" is a blatant mistranslation for words that were quoting a former Iranian leader who was rather close to Israel in the 80s against Iraq.
No one is trying to ethnically cleanse Jews it's fantasy.
Look I am just really against the spread of islam. I am European and it makes me so sad to see what is happening in Europe now with islamic immigration and extremists terrorising the locals, calling for Sharia etc. Have you read the bible? As I said jewish people have been there thousands of years its their homeland end of story, you have no argument. The other option is the country is ruled by islamic countries which is wrong.
What I assume you mean by Islam is an association with terror but that's the wrong way to look at it, especially for Europeans.
Like no one looked at European resistance and was afraid of the spread of "French extremism" even though some of the resistance groups were just that. Statistics show that 95% of suicide attacks are in occupied countries, so it's not "Islamic extremism" it's occupying Islamic countries.
Its weird how when you bring up the subject of the problems of islamic culture and basically their horrible religion people like you change the subject and bring up something Jew or Europeans might have done in history. Like that makes it ok. Going back to Isreal sorry it is their country and Islamists need to stay in theirs. Long live Isreal they are a shing light against the spread of islam.
@StevenCrowder first of all women in Israel are not treated very well either. In most secular states they are treated way better than in Israel. Besides that, Jews did buy a very small part of the land, which is ok. However, you can pretty much say the British messed up because they also promised Palestinians their right of self-determination and the part of the land which is now owned by Israel. However, your not from that part of the world anyway so...you dont know much s^it about it anyway :)
Hmmmm? As a country, Palestine sucks? Palestine is not a country, that is where the problem lies, it seems you don't know what youre talking about, your facts are wrong and/or lies. ps, acting like Dane cook will not sell your position
@gotaybah Have you been to Bethlehem? It's surrounded by prison-walls controlled by the Israelis to keep the Palestinians from leaving, but inside the city is controlled by the Palestinian government. The Palestinian govt. has armed soldiers walking the streets, they collect taxes from the people, have monuments to Leila Khaled the "suicide-martyr" in the city, and there has to be 1000 Palestinian flags flying.
The same is true for Jericho. Palestine exists, the UN doesn't recognize it though.
@Yamisou1 Muhammad raped nine year old Aisha, raped women captured in war after slaughtering their men and allowed his men to rape and ejaculate into women. it is in the koran, hadith and sira. stop your taquiyah
us muslims we have the quran to back up our arguments and verses that hasn't changed from the time it was revealed, this is our ultimate source. and u what is your source? where do u get your informaion about islam from? r u gonna condemn a whole religion for the faults of some?!!
@cassidy99ful You are so ignorent, rape is forbiden in Islam. And they can drive cars. Talk about using propaganda. You obviously kno nothing about Islam so you just use false stereotypes as facts to justify israels actions. If thats all you know about this conflict then im not wasting my time with you.
@DJRevoltMuzic You are the one justifying palestine's actions of terrorism because you say that the state of israel gave you a "bad life." Well unfortunately that is not a viable reason to hate jews... Maybe you should watch steven crowder's video again to not go back to your arguements which have no background facts whatsoever. Many arab nations have stated that israel is a cancer and that they should be eliminated which they ALREADY TRIED TO DO. Israel just won the war.
@coolsoeb Stop using the word terrorist, Israel kills civillians too they are the terrorists. Israel does not want peace. International law entitles the palestinians to the land from the 1967 boarders, the PLO has agreed to this it is Israel who doesnt want a solution. Israel builds illegal settelments in the palestinian territories. Israel looks like the agressor cause they are.
@DJRevoltMuzic one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.but can you please tell me what freedoms palestinians are fighting for?the freedom to rape women who go uncovered or deny them the right to drive a car?just curious.
@DJRevoltMuzic Are you joking? Israel wants peace. All they want is to live as an independant state. Unfortuantely the high powers in palestine want to "destroy the state of israel." They won't even negotiate with israel. I don't think you are understanding that. You keep mentioning terrorism by israel but all you have is one event in 2008 but the world has thousands upon thousand of events of Muslim terrorism. Palestine fired rockets at israel for an entire month.
@coolsoeb Each time Palestine negotiates with Israel more illegal settlements are being built. They are negotiating with Israel, you are very ignorent on this topic if you think that there arent any negotiations. Abbas has a spetial citizenship that allows him to get through Israeli checkpoints so that he can negotiate. Read this and justify it sites.google.com/site/falastinel7ora/if-only-americans-knew
@DJRevoltMuzic lol you think i'm ignorant when the facts which you present to me are from conspiracy websites. People like you just don't want to admit that their parents are wrong. I love that the only facts you have are from this website. Talk about biases. I never said there aren't negotiations either. Most of the time palestine continues their policies of no peace no recognition and no negotiation when it comes to just israel
@coolsoeb The palestinians are just fighting for their freedom but freedom is not allowed for arabs. Israelis justify their country the same way Roosevelt justified the US stealing the native americans land which today would not be politicaly correct. If it is not politicaly correct for the US to say that then it should be the same case for israel. Zionism cannot exist with out it being a racist movement.
@DJRevoltMuzic "freedom is not allowed for arabs" - in the league of nations' plans, the arabs were given numerous huge expanses of land for self-determination as Many sovereign states. e.g. just in southern 'greater syria' (termed 'palestine' by the british, word adopted from the romans who used that word for the jews), 77% of the land was made into a arab palestinian state, today named 'jordan' (Y don't they demand rule over there?). 23% of the land was made into a jewish state.
@DJRevoltMuzic there were native, indigenous jews and arabs, living there thousands of years even till today. who's land is it? -both the jews & the arabs. what was done? 77% for the arabs to have yet another state for self-determination, 23% for the jews to have this.
ask yourself why u didn't protest palestinian rights in jordan or syria or egypt, these places treat them far worse. why don't the palestinians demand rule over jordan instead of israel? u've been duped my friend.
@oc00011 I must admit I do respect your views since you are not extreme on either side.
I personaly do protest palestinian treatment in those countries but if Israel didnt ethnically clense them then that problem wouldnt exist. Jewish is not a race its a religion. The jews who stayed all those years are indigenous the ones who occupied are not.
@DJRevoltMuzic thanks 4 the praise. i guess it comes from questioning everything i learn & also being part muslim arab, part jew. jews aren't a race nor are the primarily a religion. jews are a nation, & secondary to it- a religion. if that was cleansing what do u call the events in 77% of palestine (modern jordan)? that was serious ethnic cleansing. at least in israel most zionists wanted to live together with arab brethren in peace&equality. only minority of them caused trouble.
@DJRevoltMuzic there were indigenous jews&arabs, &migrant jews AND migrant arabs who started "occupying". yes all the trouble there wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for jews & arabs wanting self-determination in their homelands. but, it had to be done. especially with the jews, considering they've been extremely oppressed&persecuted in literally Every european&middle-eastern country throughout history. like the kurds & armenians, the jewish nation Need it. that defines zionism.
@oc00011 palestine did not persecute the jews. If G.B and the U.S cared so much about the jews they should have found space in their own countries not another country.
Intellegent Jews such as Sigmund Freud was against a jewish state in palestine and so where a lot of other jews because they saw the trouble that is happining right now. This is why you have jews such as norman finklestien arguing the palestinian side.
@DJRevoltMuzic "If G.B and the U.S cared so much about the jews they should have found space in their own countries" - it was their own country, so to speak. it was the 'british mandate of palestine' that was split to israel and jordan (jewish & arab palestinian states). it wasn't truly british, it was their colony. before that it was ottoman land, before it was colonised by virtually every empire in history, including islamic colonialism (what arab leaders want even today).
@DJRevoltMuzic don't get me started on finkelstein, he's a moron. self-hating antisemite. not respected in Any academic circles round the world. u hav israelis/zionists arguing the palestinian side, finkelstein argues hezbollah's side - an organisation that said they'll kill every jewish man, woman & child worldwide.
intelligent jews e.g. herzl, itzhak rabin, michael walzer, alan dershowitz etc. advocate zionism. how can u want it 4 kurds & not for jews. that's depressing.
@oc00011 hes not a self hating jew he learned from what happened to his parents in the holocaust and doesnt want his own people doing the same thing to another race. he doesnt argue their side respects them for resisting occupation, btw after what they did in syria i dnt think any1 supports them. You can argue that since arabs are also semites, there are more arabs than jews, zionism is antisimetic. Read and listien to finkelstien, you might not like the truth but thats what he speaks.
@DJRevoltMuzic i've read & listened to finkelstein & analysed his reference sources. he's a fraud. he wrote about events that never took place, extremely distorted other events, & filled everything with half-truths. he's not respected in any academic circles.so if u don't listen to me, at least listen to them.
"You can argue that since arabs are also semites..." - no you can't. that's a dangerous semantic twist. the term was made to define anti-jews. read about the term's origin.
@oc00011 the zionists are the ones who wrote about what doesnt exist and distort history. There where many intellectual jews who saw this conflict, such as Sigmund Freud, and warned them not to occupy palestine.
Call it anti-jew not anti-semetic then.
This conflict is not as complicated as it is made to seem. The jews stole the palestinians land and thats why we r fighting back, no one wants to live in humility, do you honestly think were just going to sit back?
@DJRevoltMuzic if u got a problem with the world using the term 'antisemitism' then take it up with oxford dictionary.
the small minority of zionists stole arab land, the vast majority of zionists built on land that's either not owned by arabs, or bought the land for generous sums of money.
there was native jews&arabs, & migrant jews&arabs. both stole land off each other.
i can give documented proof for both these claims, if ur interested. its much more complicated than u think.
@DJRevoltMuzic "There were native jews, they are welcome to stay" - now its been 4 generations, all israelis are now "native". u don't kick them out their home, just like u wouldn't like it. during the time 472000 palestinians fled from israel, DOUBLE the number of jews were persecuted, killed & forcefully kicked out their homes in arab lands. fact. u don't see us suicide bombing their school buses.
read thru all my comments regarding land, then reply (u forgot the facts).
@oc00011 they fled because they had to, there is not justification for Israel becoming a state. They managed to legally steal the land and whats worse they are stealing all the land in the west bank little by little with their god damn settelments. All the problems in palestine are their fault and we will never forgive and never forget.
@DJRevoltMuzic i told u i'm strongly against the current settlement building in west bank. most israelis/zionists are against it. what happened in creation of israel was justified & fair, & legal. both jews & arabs were given self-determination & only the arabs didn't want jews to have this.
"All the problems in palestine are their fault" - childish. irresponsible. shows u don't truly care for lives of arabs or jews there. & it also shows u don't read books, at least not enough.
@oc00011 The settlements is part of Zionism. The reason the arabs didnt want the jews there is because its their country no one wants invaders they dont have a right to that land.
@DJRevoltMuzic "The reason the arabs didnt want the jews there is bcoz its their country" - it wasn't any more their country than it was the jews' country. the land was owned by foreign empires for centuries, the native people were JEWS&arabs. foreign "invaders" weren't only the euro jews but also foreign arabs who came to fight jews Only for hitler's "final solution" - research amin al husseini
"The settlements is part of Zionism" -the settlements is part of ONE FORM of zionism.
@oc00011 there were more arabs than jews making it more arab than jewish. There were like 5-10% population of jews they were a minority in the country and now its the oppisiate. That is BS. There is no reason for the jews to steal the country from the arabs.
And most jews support settlements in the west bank.
@DJRevoltMuzic that's BS. some of palestine was jewish, other areas arab e.g. 19th century jerusalem was almost entirely a population of native jews. hebron, gush etzion etc. were inhabited by jews, very few arabs. that aside, the numbers shudn't matter, it was just as arab as jewish, just as jewish as arab. it wasn't "the arabs' country".
"most jews support settlements in the west bank" - i challenge u to giv a reliable source proving this. if u can't, u demonized jews just now.
@DJRevoltMuzic read my messages & ur last response, then tell me ur not brainwashed. "deceitful zionists"? hav u still not understood that there's many different types of zionists? the majority of zionists being pro-peace, pro-2-state-solution.
i c u can't giv a reliable source/reference for ur nazi comment on jews all supporting expansionist fundamentalists. u've lost all respect from me&from viewers.
"rewriting history"? research the claim 1st, write insults & deny it after.
@oc00011 cause I want respect from some zionist who does not care about the people who suffered from the creation of israel. Zionist are Zionists there all the same. There are Jewish people who want peace but they are not zionists.
@DJRevoltMuzic "There are Jewish people who want peace but they are not zionists." - again, u write something without researching it. i don't know if ur living in a country where internet is censored but if ur not, shame on u. there's many types of zionists, that's indisputable fact. i care for all innocent people. ur embarrassing urself.
u get so caught up with a word & the meaning that's been ingrained in ur head, that u lose all sight of reason/empiricism, ur mindless. its sad
@oc00011 zionism is the whole reason for the suffering of the palestinian people so even if there are different types the roots go back to the ones who stole the country.
@DJRevoltMuzic there wasn't a "country" there, fact. jews AND arabs stole each other's lands which is why now u have jordan & israel. the core definition of zionism is 'the right for the jewish nation to be self-determined in a homeland'.
just like the arabs can, just like the blacks & armenians & indians can. just like the palestinians need it, & the kurds need it. its a basic human right. that's all zionism is. all other views attached to it make different "types" of zionists.
@DJRevoltMuzic they didn't "take palestine", they legally acquired 23% of palestine. the arabs managed to get 77% of palestine. & as we've said, the land was both just as much jewish as arab. some jews AND some arabs were victims of SOME other jews&arabs who tried to kick them out forcefully. there was battles before & a war after, but most zionists always said ur people hav the right to self-determination in OUR land too. ur politicians hav Never said this to my people. Never.
@oc00011 That 23% was legally stolen. What do you mean the arabs managed to get 77%, they were already living there, the whole thing was under arab rule before they legally stole it. And stop making it seem like the jews are the victims cause there not, the people living in gaza starving because Israel holds it under seige are.
@DJRevoltMuzic it wasn't under arab rule, this is really going round in circles here ur not very good at dialogue. it was under rule of various foreign empires for centuries. come to think of it, arabs being there in the 1st place is only from 2 reasons (1) bedouin nomads (2) the islamic caliphate where the arabs forcefully occupied the whole of the middle east i.e. colonialism. arabs are from (saudi) arabia, jews are from judea. anyway, this clearly ain't going anywhere. peace
@DJRevoltMuzic probably because they hid behind them using them as human shields.so they can use them as propaganda to fool ignorant pricks like yourself.
ahh yeah, your Jewish zombie is not showing up anytime soon. therefore, evangelicals need to get a life and stop being obsessed with Israel. it's not healthy and really dangerous..
@DukeofAnarchy Well, that's a very good question. He's either a pathological liar, a mouth breathing corporate shill or a psychopathic sadist who likes to see blood and dead bodies.
@MrBKainX They got the land in question in the 1967 war which Israel started. In any case, capture of territory in war creates no legal or moral claim to it. Crowder talks as if Israel had a right to occupy those territories and was being unreasonably generous by partially withdrawing.
@patriotNP Dont call muslims terrorist the middle east is not better off with the jews who bomb inocent people. My family has been through so much, my grandfather kicked out of the country twice, my grandmother forced to go to the gaza strip my uncle arrested and sent to jail with no trial, half my familys location not known. Zionism isterrorism. Israel stole everything from us. The jews are doing what happened to them in the holocaust to the palestinians but they get away with it.
@DJRevoltMuzic We will call Muslims and especially Palestinians terrorists because YOU ARE!!!! Your Grandfather obviously either associated with someone or he was involved in something that was a threat to Israel. Your Uncle obviously was involved with a terror plot. Israel has taken every step to live in peace but your people and your leaders do not want peace. They have not set up concentration camps, those you can think your arab brothers for.
@VadulTharys My grandfather refused to sell land to the Jews that was his crime. My uncle did not even have a trial, by the way they did realese him because they said they did not have proof of anything to detain him. Who used white phosphorus.. Israel they killed 5000 civilians in 3 weeks is that how you make peace?
@DJRevoltMuzic We will call Muslims and especially Palestinians terrorists because YOU ARE!!!! Your Grandfather obviously either associated with someone or he was involved in something that was a threat to Israel. Your Uncle obviously was involved with a terror plot. Israel has taken every step to live in peace but your people and your leaders do not want peace. They have not set up concentration camps, those you can think your arab brothers for.
@DJRevoltMuzic We call people who blow up innocents terrorists, we call people who shoot rockets into schools, and neighborhoods terrorists. The camps Palestinians live in are not run nor were they set up by Israel, you can think your arab brothers for that. Your people your leaders are why you suffer. Israel has done everything to live in peace since 1947, when your arab brothers invaded. Since then your people have done everything to exterminate them. All you suffer you caused by hate.
@DJRevoltMuzic It was Muslims that forced the Jews out of the region. Now to give them a far shake we give it back to them. I wont defend all of the Israel's policies but you have to admit they have a little more talerance the the Muslims, why havent to taken a bull dozer to the Mosques on the TEMPLE MOUNT.
XD Wait, did he REALLY say "Maybe bcuz they've got the wrong god?" O.o
rolingpingu 1 day ago
I used to like you, now I hate you Steven!
dkpai05 1 day ago
Wtf i didnt bother to watch the rest of the video this idiot doesnt have a right to say my country sucks.
TheArabpalestinian 2 days ago
it's not even worth arguing about guys, this video is just awful and ignorant.
reboandzooty 2 days ago
after he successfully wrestled with the angel of the Lord. Jacob's twelve sons became the ancestors of the Israelites. Jacob and his sons had lived in Canaan but were forced by famine to go into Egypt for four generations until Moses, a great-great grandson of Jacob, led the Israelites back into Canaan in the "Exodus". The earliest archaeological artifact to mention the word "Israel" is the Merneptah Stele of ancient Egypt (13th century BCE).
studentbabe 3 days ago
for all you brainwashed arabs/muslims - these are the historical facts, and the proof that ISRAEL belongs to jew: The name Israel has historically been used, in common and religious usage, to refer to the biblical Kingdom of Israel or the entire Jewish nation. According to the Hebrew Bible the name "Israel" was given to the patriarch Jacob (Standard Yisraʾel, Isrāʾīl; Septuagint Greek: Ἰσραήλ; "struggle with God".....
studentbabe 3 days ago
I LOVE YOU MAN! WELL SAID :) i laught my as off...
studentbabe 3 days ago
you are awesome, i will give you the opposite of a death threat : IM GONNA HUG YOU DOG, SHOW YOU SOO MUCH AFFECTION( no homo)
Orthodox316 3 days ago
Not that I support Palestine at all. However, Medved and Praeger...both Jews.
MaxamillianArturo 3 days ago
this guy calls me an "extremist". i'm being slandered for believing that *a people* (nation/race/creed) who are oppressed & persecuted Need self-determination in their homeland, to be able to live as normal human beings for the 1st time, instead of "sub-humans". this is zionism. its not just for the jews either, the armenians, kurds, phoenicians, blacks, berbers, tibetans, the list goes on.
i'm passionately pro-peace, pro-equality for all jews&arabs, pro-self-determination for both. "extremist"
oc00011 3 days ago
what a load of shit. zionist immigrants steal land and kill the indigenous people, and then you claim the they are the good guys. israelis are killing the very people they claim to be. the palestinians were the jews and were the israelites in the area, they converted as new religions emerged. clearly youre a fucking moron.
mintyvision 4 days ago
@mintyvision you're evidently very confused kid
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 no im a highly educated adult, unlike you.
mintyvision 4 days ago
@mintyvision LOL!! highly educated, fuck u really did make me laugh with that comment. hehe thanks for that :)
"zionist immigrants steal land and kill the indigenous people" - false statement. its a popular myth. i got documented proof if u want it.
"the palestinians were the jews and were the israelites in the area" - false statement. its a popular myth. i got documented proof if u want it.
i could go on in depth about both those assertions but i don't think u really wana know.
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 well youre a jew, and believe a magical supreme overlord made everything, so youre about as fucking retarded as a human being could be. your proof is bullshit, and i know i can safely dismiss it before looking at it. in the 2nd century ad roman coins had PALESTINE written on them. in the 5 century bc Herodotus wrote of the palestinian people. genetic testing has proven the palestinians have lived in the region for well over 2000 years. your religion and all your beliefs are shit.
mintyvision 4 days ago
@mintyvision "i know i can safely dismiss it before looking at it" - disappointing. u discredited urself already- as a "highly educated" person i would've thought that u would appreciate the thought process that involves *empiricism*, reason, along the lines of 'the enlightenment' era.
as a "highly educated" person u shud also know many/most jews are not only secularists but atheist, as i am. jews is primarily a nationality, 2ndly a religion. embarrassing, u really shud know this.
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 really you dont believe in god? yet you defend the absurd notion that god gave the israelites the land from egypt to syria. jew is not a nationality. that is complete and utter bullshit and merely discredits you as a delusional extremist. Judaism is a religion, and that is not open to interpretation. an american jew is and american, and a british jew is a brit, they are not fucking jewish first and foremost.
mintyvision 3 days ago
@mintyvision dear oh dear, u really are ignorant. i ignore the bible(torah) on issues of identity, as do many/most jews. the *historical* record of jews has its origin in a place (canaan/israel), where the people had a collective way of life, clothing, LANGUAGE (hebrew), literature, philosophy, religion, the arts. its a nation. that's how jews in the diaspora as well as native palestinian jews, as well as modern israelis, still speak hebrew today, & many cultural aspects are kept.
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@oc00011 nonsense. thats all i have to say to that. your talking utter shit. jews are not all native to that region and have no right to it. its a basic land grab. hebrew etc is kept in play because of the preservation of culture through religion, not because youve genetically inherited the ability as your a decedent from the region. fact.
mintyvision 3 days ago
@mintyvision i didn't say all jews are native to there, what's wrong with u seriously. however all jews to have a right to live there as self-determined people, living as normal human beings for the 1st time. they achieved this right thru decades of diplomacy with world powers, until Remo conference made it legal under international law, balfour declaration & mandate of palestine also legitimizing jews' right to live like evry1 else.
i never said anything on "genetics". cunt.
oc00011 2 days ago
@mintyvision [continued] actually the roman coins had 'syria palestina' written on them. this was after the 2nd jewish revolt. the romans wanted to erase the country's name 'israel' & replace it with a name of their old enemies, the philistines. it was the british that adopted the name palestine from the romans, before the british, it was known to palestinian jews & arabs as southern 'greater syria'. a 'palestinian nation' never existed in history, ever. the concept began in the 60s
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 what does it matter if the indigenous people were called syrians, palestinians, arabs, christians or jews? the fact of the matter is you lot emigrated to a region from all over the world under the bullshit premise of aaliyah and opressed and killed them, then accused them of being terrorists for their attempts at retaliation and defence. you fuckers are just as bad as the nazis and what you have done is genocide, the exact same thing you lot bitch about being victims of.
mintyvision 3 days ago
@mintyvision it angers me when bigots like u try to tell me, a jew, what it means to be a jew. RESEARCH IT FOR URSELF U CUNT.
the notion of god giving my ancestors right of land? fuck off. many jews don't believe in that rubbish. zionism is the right to light a fucking candle on a certain day without having your family killed for it. jews needed self-determination in their *historical* homeland, as do palestinians, as do kurds, as did blacks etc.
it wasn't genocide, u've been duped.
oc00011 3 days ago
@oc00011 bigots like me? you people support genocide. i oppose the unethical actions of israel, and all religion. my beliefs are political and based on morality, not race or ethnicity. you are stupid because of your beliefs, not your race...you cunt. zionism is illegal settlements on palestinian land, demolishing palestinian homes, armed military raids, shooting at children throwing rocks, slaughtering civilians, oppressing the locals and generally being unapologetically ignorant and evil.
mintyvision 3 days ago
@mintyvision its preservation of religion through culture/nationality, not the other way round. yes ur a bigot - i bet u won't read any of the historical facts i wrote to u. yet u hav these strong accusations without knowing anywhere near half the story.
"you people support genocide" - who knows "my people" better, u or me. i wud never support a genocide, or the intention of it, against Any people. almost All zionists agree.
israel's a secular state, not theocracy, idiot.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 israel is a secular state in someone elses country. moron. and you bigots have killed thousands of palestinian civilians and hundreds of british soldiers. zionism should be considered fucking treason.
mintyvision 2 days ago
@mintyvision 04/4/1920: arabs attacked jews of jerusalem to shouts of "the jews are our dogs" & "slaughter the jews".
01/5/1921: many british, arab & jewish witnesses all reported arabs with weapons- they beat & killed jews in their homes including small children. arab police took part in the massacre & shot at hiding jews. jewish girls were raped & children beaten to death in the streets.
Many more massacres that followed till 1939, ***before ANY jewish counter attack took place.**
oc00011 2 days ago
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@mintyvision note that i'm giving u facts only. no opinions. engage in dialogue & this won't B a waste of time.
60% of israelis support palestinians having their own sovereign state neighboring israel, & for both nations to live peacefully in co-existence [source: 'The Guardian', 23/11/01]
according to a PALESTINIAN-RUN POLL: 84% of palestinian population *support killing israeli CHILDREN* [Bronner, "Poll Shows Most Palestinians Favor Violence Over Talks" New York Times, 19/03/08]
oc00011 2 days ago
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@mintyvision far from what u've seen on sensationalist politicized media..
airforce leader Eliezer Shkedi succeeded in bringing terrorist to civilian casualty ratio down to 29:1 - LOWEST CIVILIAN CASUALTY RATIO IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF WARFARE [source: Pinpoint Attacks on Gaza More Precise, Haaretz, Amos Harel, 30/12/07]. & u think israel don't make serious efforts to safeguard civilian populations in counterstrikes? IDF soldiers risk their lives for this, i know it 1st hand
oc00011 2 days ago
@mintyvision what exactly do u think my "beliefs" are? u don't know me. & u obviously don't know anything about jews/zionists. my "race"? jews aren't race, we're a nation. zionism is.... none of those things u mentioned, zero. u have a lot of reading to do kid. a hell of a lot. u shud listen to what zionists like me hav to say about the meaning of being zionist, & the values involved. or don't listen, up to u.
i reiterate, we don't support violence unless for desperate defense.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 ummm and yet you lot build illegal settlements on palestinian land, raid their houses, use phosphorus ordinance on civilian areas, target aid, restrict their imports, place curfews on them, use chemical weapons on them and shoot at them. fact. zionists are not a nation. theyre a group of dangerous, murderous, war mongering, land invading oppressive racists. also fact. i know plenty of zionist jews. i work for one, and earlier he was screaming all palestinians are terrorists!
mintyvision 2 days ago
@mintyvision "current settlement building" - i'm against it. most/many zionists R. "zionists are not a nation" - i was educating u about what a 'jew' is (citizen of the jewish nation), not "zionists". definition of zionism: "the right of the jewish nation to be self-determined in their homeland". no religious character to this in its popular form. most zionists, like me, r pro-peace, pro-2 state solution, yet bcoz u met a few "zionist" bad apples ur shouting slogans like evry1 else.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 jewish nation is religious cult nonsense. religions are nothing more than evil manipulate organisations and they use bullshit double speak like "jewish nation" to encourage concepts they wish their followers to subscribe to. a few bad apples? ive met fucking thousands. zionism is the forced creation of the jewish nation, and its done by stealing land. its fucking clear as day how wrong that is.
mintyvision 2 days ago
@mintyvision "ive met fucking thousands" - ur so full of shit. "forced creation" - incorrect. its the peaceful diplomacy of decades in 19th&20th centuries to eventually realize the creation of which was legitimately founded under international law - research 'remo convention'. not done by 'stealing land', its a popular myth. ur not open-minded in the slightest. i say i'm zionist & pro-peace&2-state-solution &u call me terrorist. there's something very sinister in your bigotry.
oc00011 2 days ago
@mintyvision "jewish nation is religious cult nonsense" - incorrect. u need to read up on the jewish enlightenment of the 17th&18th centuries, the prominent figures of secularism & atheism being of jewish bi-nationality. strong advocacy of atheism today among people of jewish bi-nationality. u know nothing of my people, history or identity.
"religions are nothing more than evil manipulate organisations" - that's correct.
u didn't address Any points of my previous messages. bigot.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 well sorry im not so well read on the, "jewish enlightenment". a religious group making things up doesnt make it true. your claiming to be jewish without believing in judaism and zionist and without supporting anything israel has done. your personal history and identity are a fantasy and your people have oppressed and killed civilians and taken there land. you must be the most fucking passive aggressive person on earth.
mintyvision 2 days ago
@mintyvision "im not so well read on the jewish enlightenment. a religious group making things up doesnt make it true." - oxford definition of ignorance
jewish without the jewish religion is very common, i.e. just the cultural aspects of my nationality. u need to get clued up kid.
zionist without supporting Some acts of Some governments that were/are in power, whilst supporting Many of israel's humanitarian acts And defensive acts. & supporting the right to self-determination.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 you need to get clued up simpleton. jewish is not your nationality. you dont have a fucking jewish passport. there is no nation of jew. you live in a deluded fantasy world. being jewish doesnt make you fucking special. if your a zionist you are a racist supporter theft and oppression. exactly the same as the jews suffered under the nazis.
mintyvision 1 day ago
@mintyvision :)
"you liv in a deluded fantasy world"
Oxford Dictionary definition of 'nation': "a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory"
Jews have common history, culture, AND language. from common territory. and as of 2010, DNA tests have proven indisputably that jews from europe, middle-east, ethiopia etc on average hav common israelite descent. now tell me antisemite, are my people not a nation?
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oc00011 1 day ago
@oc00011 im not an anti-semite, but people like you make me want to be one, and no your people are not a fucking nation. the particular state or territory you inhabit is stolen, and obviously is not the nation of judaism, as you yourself claim it to be secular. judaism is no more a nation than islam, and if islam is a nation you deluded bastards are trying to set up camp right in it.
mintyvision 1 day ago
@mintyvision "people like you make me want to be" - if u want to be an antisemite, then your mentality says it all. ur hypocrisy 2.
haha come on man i give you oxford dictionary definition showing jews being a nationality 1st and foremost, religion 2nd, & u still shout insults like a crybaby?
the "territory" has a laughable amount of archeological evidence of *historical* ancient israel (forget the bible thing). my ancestors home.
know when to pick ur fights. u lost this 1 kid ;)
oc00011 1 day ago
@oc00011 i couldnt be an antisemite as my opinions are political not racial, however you give jews a bad name, because youre a cunt. "inhabiting a particular state or territory", which state or territory do the jews inhabit currently then? especially if israel is secular? you dont fulfil the definition you moron. your ancestors? my ancestors could be from anywhere, doesnt give me a right to destroy the homes of the people there now. youre a brainwashed nazi with a made up heritage. fact.
mintyvision 1 day ago
@mintyvision "youre a brainwashed nazi with a made up heritage. fact." lol i think u need to look up the word 'fact'.
which territory do they inhabit? the same territory that the jews had in ancient times, according to historical/archeological record.
its not about the ancestry but about the 'cultural memory'. the french have france, the africans africa, the chinese china, the kurds need kurdistan etc. not racist/fascist/hateful towards any1. just a basic human right.
oc00011 1 day ago
@oc00011 nonsense. you can be as persistent as you like with this shit but it will never be true. this zionist attempt to rewrite history is both laughable and scary. people like you are the problems of this world. you are the same type of person that would have supported the nazi party. if its sold properly youll believe it. cultural memory has nothing to do with being a nation. youre squirming and trying to improvise now and its pathetic. tell me where the jewish nation is then?
mintyvision 1 day ago
@mintyvision Oxford Dictionary definition of 'nation': "a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory"
Jews have common history, culture, AND language. from common territory.
now, it follows that if u want to deny that jews are a nation, then u need to prove to me that jews don't have a common history or territory (canaan) or culture or language. u can't. unlucky kid. u lost the argument from day 1 ;)
oc00011 1 day ago
@oc00011 "INHABITING" being the key word. are the jewish people inhabiting a jewish land? according to you no. its laughable that you would try and have your cake and eat it so obviously. yes i deny you as a nation, as does law, the oxford dictionary and every right thinking person on earth. canaan is also the home of christianity and islam, so islam or christianity can use exactly the same bullshit line if they wished. your argument is so full of flaws, holes and contradictions its pathetic.
mintyvision 21 hours ago
@mintyvision every single world-renowned historian that exists will tell u that the jewish people *historically* had their nation state before. there's way too much archeological evidence to ignore. as a nation in these times, yes my people inhabit the same land they once did. lol its so funny seeing u deny this, i'd get more sense out of a chimp.
canaan is *home* for the jewish nation. medina, saudi arabia is the *home* for muslims (not a nation), christians hav Many countries.
oc00011 20 hours ago
@mintyvision [continued] ..so unlucky, u still haven't managed to refute the fact that jews have common history, territory (canaan), culture, language. by the way, to take away the meaning of 'nation' from my people, you'd need to deny the existence of All these aspects, including language. u can't. i would say back to u "your argument is so full of flaws, holes and contradictions its pathetic", but u have no argument. sorry buddy ;)
oc00011 20 hours ago
@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
mintyvision 20 hours ago
@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
mintyvision 20 hours ago
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@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
mintyvision 20 hours ago
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@oc00011 all religious groups have a common history. any people that share a common culture share a common history. surfers share a common history. you have no territory. once again any common culture can share a language. you are not a fucking nation you fool. once again ill spell it out for you; "INHABITING A PARTICULAR STATE OR TERRITORY". inhabiting in fucking PRESENT TENSE. do you understand english? or are you so deeply in denial your blind to the text in front of you?
mintyvision 20 hours ago
oh my god a neo-con Zionism = Nazism "Rosh Hashanah 17a ~TALMUD . Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations. " ""It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." ~Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 Its funny how you idiots support such a nation that follow the teachings of the Talmud
TheNingishzida 4 days ago
@TheNingishzida Its funny how you idiots don't realize the Israeli society is secular and not religious extremist like the USA.
RdMrcr 4 days ago
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world most famous fakestinian ARAFAT=born in egypt !
His ancestral tribe "AL-QUDWA" =from syria !
JUDEA to the JEWS
ARABS back to saudi ARABIA !
MrJapaneseboy1111 5 days ago
I love this guy.
MonfangHowlett 6 days ago
good job man! all the muslims here just barking because they dont know how to eat the truth. thats sad. peace.
adaman667 6 days ago
IMAGINE ISRAEL FOUGHT THE SAME WAR, WITH THE SAME WEAPONS. WOULD ISRAEL STAND A CHANCE? THEY WON FAIRLY? THEY WON WITH THE HELP OF AMERICA. ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED. OR ARE YOU JUST A JEW? PS DID YOU FORGET ABOUT AFRICA? WHY ARE THEY STILL POOR? THERE CHRISTIANS THERE. YOUR FACTS ARE DUM. YOUR A FOOL WHO SPEAKS BECAUSE HE HAS TO SAY SOMETHING. YOUR SUCH A LOOSER, GO GET A JOB, YOUR NOT GONNA A PENNY OF THESE CHEER-LEADING VIDEOS. YOUR JUST GONNA GET HURT, THE MORE PEOPLE WATCH THIS.
Gaara1555 6 days ago
@Gaara1555 dude look at your comment and think about it
SuperBlockster 5 days ago
Oh bother, I dont think israel should of existed. Why you ask, because after ww2. The jews should of gone back home! YES HOME, which was RUSSIA, GERMANY,POLAND ECT. Palestine did exist, But Britains captured it. After ww2 WE made AN AGREEMENT. WE CAN NO LONGER KILL OTHER PEOPLE FOR LAND. SO instead of BRITAIN giving it BACK. THEY gave it to the JEWS. WHO ALREADY LIVED IN OTHER COUNTRYS. JEWS ARE NOT A RACE. WITH AMERICAN FOREIGN AID,WEAPONS, THEY WOULD NEVER OF WON. IT WAS A RIGGED WAR. SMARTASS
Gaara1555 6 days ago
@Gaara1555 you should probably learn your history before saying something like that like where people live
SuperBlockster 5 days ago
Might doesn't make right.
AthosAmo 6 days ago
You are so poor ! you know nth n keep talking shit ! There is no such a thing called Israel !
N that temple that they are searching at under the dome of the rock does not exist ! you suck , this video supposed to be called "STEVEN CROWDER SUCKS" Man just find sth else to talk about that not step on people's cultures and religions .
AreenBbz 1 week ago
@AreenBbz Yea big arguements coming from a guy who can't spell properly and seems to have trouble using sentences which aren't fragments. No such thing as Israel? Have you looked at your map lately? Well i'm guessing you don't have one if you still don't think so or you have one which is produced by some sort of terrorist organization
coolsoeb 6 days ago
BIG LIKE FUCK PALESTINE
idyamamsas 1 week ago
Look at his face when he talks about Israel; he turns red like he want to go out and kill some innocent Palestinians.
RANDEVUable 1 week ago
Look at this fucking Zionist clown, who kisses and eats from the ass of the Israelis. Yes Steven continue presenting and chocking the American people with ZIONIST PROPAGANDA.
RANDEVUable 1 week ago
@StevenCrowder
"Land that was rightful earned in the war of 67"
So did the Soviet Union "rightfully earn" East Germany? I mean the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany and "kicked butt", and you seem to think they were actually an "Evil Empire".
How about China and Tibet? Turkey and Cyprus? The Soviet Union and Afghanistan? Germany and France?
Aggression and occupation is wrong, no matter what the values of the sides are.
AndroidPolitician 1 week ago
@AndroidPolitician
Yes but the big difference here is this has always been the jewish homeland for thousands of uears. If was never a islamic/arabic country they are the invaders. Jewish people have a right to their own homeland. Islamic extremist coutnries on all sides want to wipe them of the face of the earth because it is about the spread of islam
Orthodox123456 1 week ago
@Orthodox123456
What happened thousands of years ago is no basis for international affairs today. I hope you don't seriously think China has a right to occupy Tibet because maybe a thousand years ago it was Chinese territory?
That aside, the "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" is a blatant mistranslation for words that were quoting a former Iranian leader who was rather close to Israel in the 80s against Iraq.
No one is trying to ethnically cleanse Jews it's fantasy.
AndroidPolitician 6 days ago
@AndroidPolitician
Look I am just really against the spread of islam. I am European and it makes me so sad to see what is happening in Europe now with islamic immigration and extremists terrorising the locals, calling for Sharia etc. Have you read the bible? As I said jewish people have been there thousands of years its their homeland end of story, you have no argument. The other option is the country is ruled by islamic countries which is wrong.
Orthodox123456 6 days ago
@Orthodox123456
What I assume you mean by Islam is an association with terror but that's the wrong way to look at it, especially for Europeans.
Like no one looked at European resistance and was afraid of the spread of "French extremism" even though some of the resistance groups were just that. Statistics show that 95% of suicide attacks are in occupied countries, so it's not "Islamic extremism" it's occupying Islamic countries.
AndroidPolitician 6 days ago
@AndroidPolitician
Its weird how when you bring up the subject of the problems of islamic culture and basically their horrible religion people like you change the subject and bring up something Jew or Europeans might have done in history. Like that makes it ok. Going back to Isreal sorry it is their country and Islamists need to stay in theirs. Long live Isreal they are a shing light against the spread of islam.
Orthodox123456 6 days ago
@Orthodox123456
Because there aren't problems inherent to Islam, terrorism, poverty etc. are simply problems.
Only a massive bigot was associate these with Islam or I suspect in your case- the existence of it itself as a problem.
AndroidPolitician 5 days ago
@StevenCrowder first of all women in Israel are not treated very well either. In most secular states they are treated way better than in Israel. Besides that, Jews did buy a very small part of the land, which is ok. However, you can pretty much say the British messed up because they also promised Palestinians their right of self-determination and the part of the land which is now owned by Israel. However, your not from that part of the world anyway so...you dont know much s^it about it anyway :)
Vivapartei 1 week ago
@Vivapartei Have you been to Israel? Obviously you haven't if you think that women are not treated well.
coolsoeb 6 days ago
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Palestine is a country as other arab countries... Stop with lies to discredit
Dario82773 1 week ago
Hmmmm? As a country, Palestine sucks? Palestine is not a country, that is where the problem lies, it seems you don't know what youre talking about, your facts are wrong and/or lies. ps, acting like Dane cook will not sell your position
gotaybah 1 week ago
@gotaybah Have you been to Bethlehem? It's surrounded by prison-walls controlled by the Israelis to keep the Palestinians from leaving, but inside the city is controlled by the Palestinian government. The Palestinian govt. has armed soldiers walking the streets, they collect taxes from the people, have monuments to Leila Khaled the "suicide-martyr" in the city, and there has to be 1000 Palestinian flags flying.
The same is true for Jericho. Palestine exists, the UN doesn't recognize it though.
TheEuropeanWarrior 5 days ago
I hope the Arabs and Jews kill each other. Fuck them both.
TheEuropeanWarrior 1 week ago
@TheEuropeanWarrior I hope you kill yourself. Fuck you.
roderick119 1 week ago 3
@roderick119
that coms from a brainwashed ignorant arab (probably muslim) is not surprising... you teach and love only violence and blood...
studentbabe 3 days ago
“Earth is the insane asylum of the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
bozolazic 1 week ago
poor guy he will brun in hell :(
ELmuslim11 1 week ago
@stevencrowder wow you're a fucking jewish faggot huh?
wawieism 1 week ago
@wawieism
U R a Sand Nigga cocksucker
ZabibaRaisinHead 1 week ago
@wawieism Woah, there pal, tone down the hate. You're not helping your case through insults and bigotry.
ChuckMcChip 1 week ago
that why ur gay ur fucking bitch ass mutherfucker
MrIraqibeast 1 week ago
@MrBKainX how fucking dare you suggest that Palestinian mothers don't love their children?
CrayZDude2 1 week ago
go and read a true translation of the quran and u will see that islam forbids violence, rape and terorism.
Yamisou1 1 week ago
@Yamisou1 Islam forbids it and at the same time it endorses it. That's the problem.
CharlezZdaB00G 1 week ago
@Yamisou1 Muhammad raped nine year old Aisha, raped women captured in war after slaughtering their men and allowed his men to rape and ejaculate into women. it is in the koran, hadith and sira. stop your taquiyah
shebakali6 1 week ago
us muslims we have the quran to back up our arguments and verses that hasn't changed from the time it was revealed, this is our ultimate source. and u what is your source? where do u get your informaion about islam from? r u gonna condemn a whole religion for the faults of some?!!
Yamisou1 1 week ago
@Yamisou1
The koran is a pile of arab camel shit. Its the original Paedophiles Sex guide, ask Aisha aged 6.
ZabibaRaisinHead 1 week ago
@cassidy99ful You are so ignorent, rape is forbiden in Islam. And they can drive cars. Talk about using propaganda. You obviously kno nothing about Islam so you just use false stereotypes as facts to justify israels actions. If thats all you know about this conflict then im not wasting my time with you.
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic You are the one justifying palestine's actions of terrorism because you say that the state of israel gave you a "bad life." Well unfortunately that is not a viable reason to hate jews... Maybe you should watch steven crowder's video again to not go back to your arguements which have no background facts whatsoever. Many arab nations have stated that israel is a cancer and that they should be eliminated which they ALREADY TRIED TO DO. Israel just won the war.
coolsoeb 1 week ago
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@coolsoeb like I said read this, sites.google.com/site/falastinel7ora/if-only-americans-knew and tell me who is trying to eliminate who
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic Muhammad RAPED women dummy
shebakali6 1 week ago
@shebakali6 no he didnt thats exactly the ignorance that makes you look like an idiot
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
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@shebakali6 no he didnt thats exactly the ignorance that makes you look like an idiot
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
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@shebakali6 no he didnt thats exactly the ignorance that makes you look like an idiot
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@cassidy99ful oh so just bomb hospitals and mosques thats justified?
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@coolsoeb Stop using the word terrorist, Israel kills civillians too they are the terrorists. Israel does not want peace. International law entitles the palestinians to the land from the 1967 boarders, the PLO has agreed to this it is Israel who doesnt want a solution. Israel builds illegal settelments in the palestinian territories. Israel looks like the agressor cause they are.
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.but can you please tell me what freedoms palestinians are fighting for?the freedom to rape women who go uncovered or deny them the right to drive a car?just curious.
cassidy99ful 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic Are you joking? Israel wants peace. All they want is to live as an independant state. Unfortuantely the high powers in palestine want to "destroy the state of israel." They won't even negotiate with israel. I don't think you are understanding that. You keep mentioning terrorism by israel but all you have is one event in 2008 but the world has thousands upon thousand of events of Muslim terrorism. Palestine fired rockets at israel for an entire month.
coolsoeb 1 week ago
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@coolsoeb Each time Palestine negotiates with Israel more illegal settlements are being built. They are negotiating with Israel, you are very ignorent on this topic if you think that there arent any negotiations. Abbas has a spetial citizenship that allows him to get through Israeli checkpoints so that he can negotiate. Read this and justify it sites.google.com/site/falastinel7ora/if-only-americans-knew
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic lol you think i'm ignorant when the facts which you present to me are from conspiracy websites. People like you just don't want to admit that their parents are wrong. I love that the only facts you have are from this website. Talk about biases. I never said there aren't negotiations either. Most of the time palestine continues their policies of no peace no recognition and no negotiation when it comes to just israel
coolsoeb 6 days ago 4
@coolsoeb The palestinians are just fighting for their freedom but freedom is not allowed for arabs. Israelis justify their country the same way Roosevelt justified the US stealing the native americans land which today would not be politicaly correct. If it is not politicaly correct for the US to say that then it should be the same case for israel. Zionism cannot exist with out it being a racist movement.
DJRevoltMuzic 6 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic "freedom is not allowed for arabs" - in the league of nations' plans, the arabs were given numerous huge expanses of land for self-determination as Many sovereign states. e.g. just in southern 'greater syria' (termed 'palestine' by the british, word adopted from the romans who used that word for the jews), 77% of the land was made into a arab palestinian state, today named 'jordan' (Y don't they demand rule over there?). 23% of the land was made into a jewish state.
oc00011 5 days ago
@oc00011 that 23% does not belong to them and no one has the right to give away another peoples land
DJRevoltMuzic 5 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic there were native, indigenous jews and arabs, living there thousands of years even till today. who's land is it? -both the jews & the arabs. what was done? 77% for the arabs to have yet another state for self-determination, 23% for the jews to have this.
ask yourself why u didn't protest palestinian rights in jordan or syria or egypt, these places treat them far worse. why don't the palestinians demand rule over jordan instead of israel? u've been duped my friend.
oc00011 5 days ago
@oc00011 I must admit I do respect your views since you are not extreme on either side.
I personaly do protest palestinian treatment in those countries but if Israel didnt ethnically clense them then that problem wouldnt exist. Jewish is not a race its a religion. The jews who stayed all those years are indigenous the ones who occupied are not.
DJRevoltMuzic 5 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic thanks 4 the praise. i guess it comes from questioning everything i learn & also being part muslim arab, part jew. jews aren't a race nor are the primarily a religion. jews are a nation, & secondary to it- a religion. if that was cleansing what do u call the events in 77% of palestine (modern jordan)? that was serious ethnic cleansing. at least in israel most zionists wanted to live together with arab brethren in peace&equality. only minority of them caused trouble.
oc00011 5 days ago
@oc00011 yes but my point is that if Palestine was not occupied then these events would have never happened.
DJRevoltMuzic 5 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic there were indigenous jews&arabs, &migrant jews AND migrant arabs who started "occupying". yes all the trouble there wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for jews & arabs wanting self-determination in their homelands. but, it had to be done. especially with the jews, considering they've been extremely oppressed&persecuted in literally Every european&middle-eastern country throughout history. like the kurds & armenians, the jewish nation Need it. that defines zionism.
oc00011 5 days ago
@oc00011 palestine did not persecute the jews. If G.B and the U.S cared so much about the jews they should have found space in their own countries not another country.
Intellegent Jews such as Sigmund Freud was against a jewish state in palestine and so where a lot of other jews because they saw the trouble that is happining right now. This is why you have jews such as norman finklestien arguing the palestinian side.
DJRevoltMuzic 4 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic "If G.B and the U.S cared so much about the jews they should have found space in their own countries" - it was their own country, so to speak. it was the 'british mandate of palestine' that was split to israel and jordan (jewish & arab palestinian states). it wasn't truly british, it was their colony. before that it was ottoman land, before it was colonised by virtually every empire in history, including islamic colonialism (what arab leaders want even today).
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 it was well on its way to being an independant country till the jews came in
DJRevoltMuzic 4 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic don't get me started on finkelstein, he's a moron. self-hating antisemite. not respected in Any academic circles round the world. u hav israelis/zionists arguing the palestinian side, finkelstein argues hezbollah's side - an organisation that said they'll kill every jewish man, woman & child worldwide.
intelligent jews e.g. herzl, itzhak rabin, michael walzer, alan dershowitz etc. advocate zionism. how can u want it 4 kurds & not for jews. that's depressing.
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 hes not a self hating jew he learned from what happened to his parents in the holocaust and doesnt want his own people doing the same thing to another race. he doesnt argue their side respects them for resisting occupation, btw after what they did in syria i dnt think any1 supports them. You can argue that since arabs are also semites, there are more arabs than jews, zionism is antisimetic. Read and listien to finkelstien, you might not like the truth but thats what he speaks.
DJRevoltMuzic 4 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic i've read & listened to finkelstein & analysed his reference sources. he's a fraud. he wrote about events that never took place, extremely distorted other events, & filled everything with half-truths. he's not respected in any academic circles.so if u don't listen to me, at least listen to them.
"You can argue that since arabs are also semites..." - no you can't. that's a dangerous semantic twist. the term was made to define anti-jews. read about the term's origin.
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 the zionists are the ones who wrote about what doesnt exist and distort history. There where many intellectual jews who saw this conflict, such as Sigmund Freud, and warned them not to occupy palestine.
Call it anti-jew not anti-semetic then.
This conflict is not as complicated as it is made to seem. The jews stole the palestinians land and thats why we r fighting back, no one wants to live in humility, do you honestly think were just going to sit back?
DJRevoltMuzic 4 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic if u got a problem with the world using the term 'antisemitism' then take it up with oxford dictionary.
the small minority of zionists stole arab land, the vast majority of zionists built on land that's either not owned by arabs, or bought the land for generous sums of money.
there was native jews&arabs, & migrant jews&arabs. both stole land off each other.
i can give documented proof for both these claims, if ur interested. its much more complicated than u think.
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 i have a problem with the world abusing "antisemitism"
Just because the land was not owned by a person doesnt mean it want palestinian
If you didnt sell your land to the zionists you were forced off (ex. my grandfather)
There were native jews, they are welcome to stay the rest are welcomed to get the fuck out of a country that isnt theirs.
Its not as complicated as the zionists make it seem.
DJRevoltMuzic 3 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic "There were native jews, they are welcome to stay" - now its been 4 generations, all israelis are now "native". u don't kick them out their home, just like u wouldn't like it. during the time 472000 palestinians fled from israel, DOUBLE the number of jews were persecuted, killed & forcefully kicked out their homes in arab lands. fact. u don't see us suicide bombing their school buses.
read thru all my comments regarding land, then reply (u forgot the facts).
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 they fled because they had to, there is not justification for Israel becoming a state. They managed to legally steal the land and whats worse they are stealing all the land in the west bank little by little with their god damn settelments. All the problems in palestine are their fault and we will never forgive and never forget.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic i told u i'm strongly against the current settlement building in west bank. most israelis/zionists are against it. what happened in creation of israel was justified & fair, & legal. both jews & arabs were given self-determination & only the arabs didn't want jews to have this.
"All the problems in palestine are their fault" - childish. irresponsible. shows u don't truly care for lives of arabs or jews there. & it also shows u don't read books, at least not enough.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 The settlements is part of Zionism. The reason the arabs didnt want the jews there is because its their country no one wants invaders they dont have a right to that land.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic "The reason the arabs didnt want the jews there is bcoz its their country" - it wasn't any more their country than it was the jews' country. the land was owned by foreign empires for centuries, the native people were JEWS&arabs. foreign "invaders" weren't only the euro jews but also foreign arabs who came to fight jews Only for hitler's "final solution" - research amin al husseini
"The settlements is part of Zionism" -the settlements is part of ONE FORM of zionism.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 there were more arabs than jews making it more arab than jewish. There were like 5-10% population of jews they were a minority in the country and now its the oppisiate. That is BS. There is no reason for the jews to steal the country from the arabs.
And most jews support settlements in the west bank.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic that's BS. some of palestine was jewish, other areas arab e.g. 19th century jerusalem was almost entirely a population of native jews. hebron, gush etzion etc. were inhabited by jews, very few arabs. that aside, the numbers shudn't matter, it was just as arab as jewish, just as jewish as arab. it wasn't "the arabs' country".
"most jews support settlements in the west bank" - i challenge u to giv a reliable source proving this. if u can't, u demonized jews just now.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 ok now ur just rewriting history just like those decitfull zionists
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic read my messages & ur last response, then tell me ur not brainwashed. "deceitful zionists"? hav u still not understood that there's many different types of zionists? the majority of zionists being pro-peace, pro-2-state-solution.
i c u can't giv a reliable source/reference for ur nazi comment on jews all supporting expansionist fundamentalists. u've lost all respect from me&from viewers.
"rewriting history"? research the claim 1st, write insults & deny it after.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 cause I want respect from some zionist who does not care about the people who suffered from the creation of israel. Zionist are Zionists there all the same. There are Jewish people who want peace but they are not zionists.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic "There are Jewish people who want peace but they are not zionists." - again, u write something without researching it. i don't know if ur living in a country where internet is censored but if ur not, shame on u. there's many types of zionists, that's indisputable fact. i care for all innocent people. ur embarrassing urself.
u get so caught up with a word & the meaning that's been ingrained in ur head, that u lose all sight of reason/empiricism, ur mindless. its sad
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 zionism is the whole reason for the suffering of the palestinian people so even if there are different types the roots go back to the ones who stole the country.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic there wasn't a "country" there, fact. jews AND arabs stole each other's lands which is why now u have jordan & israel. the core definition of zionism is 'the right for the jewish nation to be self-determined in a homeland'.
just like the arabs can, just like the blacks & armenians & indians can. just like the palestinians need it, & the kurds need it. its a basic human right. that's all zionism is. all other views attached to it make different "types" of zionists.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 no the core definition of zionism is "the right for the jewish nation to be self-determined in palestine"
they did not need to take palestine to be self determined
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic they didn't "take palestine", they legally acquired 23% of palestine. the arabs managed to get 77% of palestine. & as we've said, the land was both just as much jewish as arab. some jews AND some arabs were victims of SOME other jews&arabs who tried to kick them out forcefully. there was battles before & a war after, but most zionists always said ur people hav the right to self-determination in OUR land too. ur politicians hav Never said this to my people. Never.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 That 23% was legally stolen. What do you mean the arabs managed to get 77%, they were already living there, the whole thing was under arab rule before they legally stole it. And stop making it seem like the jews are the victims cause there not, the people living in gaza starving because Israel holds it under seige are.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic it wasn't under arab rule, this is really going round in circles here ur not very good at dialogue. it was under rule of various foreign empires for centuries. come to think of it, arabs being there in the 1st place is only from 2 reasons (1) bedouin nomads (2) the islamic caliphate where the arabs forcefully occupied the whole of the middle east i.e. colonialism. arabs are from (saudi) arabia, jews are from judea. anyway, this clearly ain't going anywhere. peace
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@oc00011 word...
DJRevoltMuzic 2 days ago
@DJRevoltMuzic omg another brain dead leftie. i guess observable reality doesn't affect your rhetoric.
shebakali6 1 week ago
@shebakali6 the comment that you just made makes you look like your brain dead
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@coolsoeb if they went in to get the terrorists then how come 5000 civilians were killed in the process
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic probably because they hid behind them using them as human shields.so they can use them as propaganda to fool ignorant pricks like yourself.
cassidy99ful 1 week ago
ahh yeah, your Jewish zombie is not showing up anytime soon. therefore, evangelicals need to get a life and stop being obsessed with Israel. it's not healthy and really dangerous..
Alkindi90 1 week ago
Your mother sucks!
Instrumental187 1 week ago
Israel "earned" land through war? What is wrong with you?
DukeofAnarchy 2 weeks ago
@DukeofAnarchy Well, that's a very good question. He's either a pathological liar, a mouth breathing corporate shill or a psychopathic sadist who likes to see blood and dead bodies.
colddrake80 1 week ago
@DukeofAnarchy they were attacked, declared war on their attackers and got their land.
MrBKainX 1 week ago in playlist Israel/Palestine Conflict
@MrBKainX They got the land in question in the 1967 war which Israel started. In any case, capture of territory in war creates no legal or moral claim to it. Crowder talks as if Israel had a right to occupy those territories and was being unreasonably generous by partially withdrawing.
DukeofAnarchy 1 week ago
@DukeofAnarchy you're still backing a muslim society built on religion. Isn't that what we're against in America?
jukiluti 1 week ago
@patriotNP Dont call muslims terrorist the middle east is not better off with the jews who bomb inocent people. My family has been through so much, my grandfather kicked out of the country twice, my grandmother forced to go to the gaza strip my uncle arrested and sent to jail with no trial, half my familys location not known. Zionism isterrorism. Israel stole everything from us. The jews are doing what happened to them in the holocaust to the palestinians but they get away with it.
DJRevoltMuzic 2 weeks ago
@DJRevoltMuzic We will call Muslims and especially Palestinians terrorists because YOU ARE!!!! Your Grandfather obviously either associated with someone or he was involved in something that was a threat to Israel. Your Uncle obviously was involved with a terror plot. Israel has taken every step to live in peace but your people and your leaders do not want peace. They have not set up concentration camps, those you can think your arab brothers for.
VadulTharys 2 weeks ago
@VadulTharys My grandfather refused to sell land to the Jews that was his crime. My uncle did not even have a trial, by the way they did realese him because they said they did not have proof of anything to detain him. Who used white phosphorus.. Israel they killed 5000 civilians in 3 weeks is that how you make peace?
DJRevoltMuzic 1 week ago
@DJRevoltMuzic @DJRevoltMuzic Btw where are you getting your facts from?
coolsoeb 1 week ago
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@DJRevoltMuzic We will call Muslims and especially Palestinians terrorists because YOU ARE!!!! Your Grandfather obviously either associated with someone or he was involved in something that was a threat to Israel. Your Uncle obviously was involved with a terror plot. Israel has taken every step to live in peace but your people and your leaders do not want peace. They have not set up concentration camps, those you can think your arab brothers for.
VadulTharys 2 weeks ago
@DJRevoltMuzic We call people who blow up innocents terrorists, we call people who shoot rockets into schools, and neighborhoods terrorists. The camps Palestinians live in are not run nor were they set up by Israel, you can think your arab brothers for that. Your people your leaders are why you suffer. Israel has done everything to live in peace since 1947, when your arab brothers invaded. Since then your people have done everything to exterminate them. All you suffer you caused by hate.
VadulTharys 2 weeks ago
@DJRevoltMuzic It was Muslims that forced the Jews out of the region. Now to give them a far shake we give it back to them. I wont defend all of the Israel's policies but you have to admit they have a little more talerance the the Muslims, why havent to taken a bull dozer to the Mosques on the TEMPLE MOUNT.
CogInAVice 1 week ago