Creationist Study, Disproves Glossolalia As Language.

[thespursareadynasty]

lol at the fact that he is able to speak in tongues ON DEMAND. Definitly shows that its not some divinely sent word and its just a guy makin up sounds to put himself in a trance

[Naiant]

This is exactly the opposite of what happened on Pentecost. According to the bible, what was amazing then was that *everyone* understood what the apostles were saying. Here *no one* understands what is said. Then, later on, when Paul discusses something more like glossolalia, he says not to do it unless there is someone there to interpret it. In both cases meaning is important.

[Naiant]

Interesting that the phonology is the same as English; that is, it has the same sounds. Where are the velar fricatives? Where are the clicks? The umlauted o and u? The nasalized vowels? Why isn't it tonal? Clearly they're just making English noises.

[NutNapalm]

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[kingbushwickthe33rd]

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[kingbushwickthe33rd]

Hazily Bozily Beezily Bop!!

I Ain't Got Nobody!!

And Nobody Cares For Me!!

[rustichan]

@Skepticoz: I was being half tongue-in-cheek. I don't have any hard evidence that these subjects aren't intentionally "making stuff up." However, I imagine that the speaking in tongues phenomenon is a bit like the stage hypnosis henomenon. Going into a state of trance isn't that difficult. I would imagine that some people just make sounds to fit in, but with the rythmic utterences and swaying, I think getting getting a mild buzz and dissociating wouldn't be unlikely.

[skepticoz]

@rustichan ¨I was being half tongue-in-cheek.¨ Or is that speaking in half tongues while turning the other cheek? LOL.

¨I don't have any hard evidence that these subjects aren't intentionally "making stuff up."¨

Do we really need any? Point of fact is, that there´s no good reason to be convinced otherwise and every reason to suspect so. Like any meme with a desperate desire to be copied, itś transmitted by the victims it parasites, using ulterior motives (Think immortal salvation).

[rustichan]

I have to say, speaking in tongues seems to be a rather potent way to quickly throw one into a rather intense altered state. It brings strong positive feelings, probably induces a surge of dopamine. I mean, if it's not addictive, I'm all for evangelical christian crack!

[skepticoz]

@rustichan ¨I have to say, speaking in tongues seems to be a rather potent way to quickly throw one into a rather intense altered state.¨

I have to wonder what the cause of that altered state actually is. If you are going merely by appearances, I´d have to suggest it seems much more like a put on show to induce the appearance of spontaneity as if it were intended pretense that something involuntary (an external entity), taking over and taking control. Itś seems affected and feigned.

[fdasherv]

Did the good doctor mention that the part of the brain that spouts bullshit lit up like a pinball machine?

[jamerson9123]

pleas dont make fun of this langue also pleas i kno you can say what ever you want but you wouldent like it if i made fun of black people calling them niggers or hispanics spics or white people crackers so pleas dont mak fun of it with alll sencirty

[skepticoz]

@jamerson9123 "pleas dont make fun of this langue also pleas i kno you can say what ever you want but you wouldent like it if i made fun of black people calling them niggers or hispanics spics or white people crackers so pleas dont mak fun of it with alll sencirty"

Don't make fun of it? Why the fuck not? Personally I consider it ridiculous and hilarious. But I'm just being honest. If the ridicule of others hurt's your feelings, then you should get some tougher skin. Sticks & stones, remember?

[skepticoz]

Like many atheists, I'm sick and tired of religion putting itself above others and pretending to be superior. In this world we have to learn to deal with intellectual criticism and even ridicule. You have every right to be offended. What you don't have however, is the right to NOT be offended. It's nobody else's responsibility to spare YOU from getting hurt feelings. Religion it the worst of all human endeavors for pandering to political correctness and exploiting social manipulation.

[skepticoz]

As for your comparison with racism, you're being absurd. Your whole pretense that this is even a 'language' at all is patently absurd'. Why don't you try to restrain your petulant ego, read through the comments then just respond to the basic evidence? The study actually demonstrates that no language is involved, because the language centers of the brain are idle. Typically creationists, somehow interpret as supporting their claims. What would they say if the language centers WERE being used?

[skepticoz]

No mater whatsoever is ever is discovered, creationists never make a case to how to prove themselves wrong. Nor do they make clear scientific predictions about what they expect to find in any test and how it will support of refute any hypothesis. Look up confirmation bias on the skeptics dictionary (if you even know how to Google) and learn how to test assumptions. Then be the first creationist to make predictions ahead of time, explaining your logic as to how your hypothesis could be falsified.

[skepticoz]

Personally I consider these people to mentally defective and deeply deluded. They might deserve more pity than ridicule, if they were not so zealous about transmitting their mental disorder and infecting others all the while going about scorning others for being rational and seeing through the charade. If godbotherers weren't so sanctimonious about their pretense of having divine counsel, with a miraculous deity, whom they claim created the universe, then they might get more pity than ridicule.

[jamerson9123]

befor all of you make fun of this langueg yes a lot of people who claim to speak intoughes are bullshiters and dont actualy know how to but a veary small percent actualy do kno how its said to be the first langue befor we had alll these other langues but for som reson u can actualy only understand what your saying and kno what your talking about when you go to heaven and becom an angel

[skepticoz]

@jamerson9123 "befor all of you make fun of this langueg yes a lot of people who claim to speak intoughes are bullshiters and dont actualy know how to but a veary small percent actualy do kno how"

Is that so? Well heres an idea; why don't you go out and find some of these people and make a video of their nonsensical jabbering? But firstly you might like to explain HOW YOU KNOW it's actually a language? Who is communicating to Whom? Do these speakers understand what they are saying in tongues?

[skepticoz]

The standard line as I understand it in the pentecostal denominations, is that the speakers do not know what they are saying. Conveniently they avoid the most trivial test of analysis, wherein speakers could be independently asked to interpret the meanings and double blind tests could find any consistencies in their speech/interpretation. But by avoiding any accountability to testable evidence, it invokes another problem. Were does anybody find grounds for the assumption that it's a language?

[skepticoz]

If these people don't know what they're saying themselves, then they have no basis to claim that the gibberish flowing out of their mouths is inherently meaningful in any way. If It's not meaningful to them, then who is it meaning full to GOD? OK, then who is doing the talking? Who's putting the words in their mouths? GOD? OH! but wait... God must be talking to him self via some translator who doesn't even know what he's saying. And you don't appreciate how this comes across a absurd? lolwut?

[skepticoz]

Meanwhile the people being laughed at here are quite evidently the ones who are bullshitters. The same goes for anybody I've ever heard claim to be doing some magic verbal mumbo jumbo with their skydaddy. They simply appear to be jabbering incoherent monotone noises with no syntax, phrasing or cadence. They stammer repetitive syllables while they look for a way to TRY to sound spontaneous. Why are so many ordinary Christians, deliberately trying to PRETEND they are speaking a divine tongue?

[skepticoz]

"its said to be the first langue befor we had alll these other langues"

'It's said...' 'IT"S SAID...' is that the kind of criterion you apply as a basis for ALL your beliefs? We'll I believe that if I have my penis chopped of and become an airline stewardess, I will get to heaven and have a chance to become the tooth fairy. Consider it SAID.

"but for som reson u can actualy only understand what your saying and kno what your talking about when you go to heaven and becom an angel" LOLOLOLOL!!

[skepticoz]

"For some reason..." Hahahaha hahah. Funny... you didn't happen to mention the 'reason'. Nor did you mention how you know this or why it presents even a tiny modicum of rational plausibility? Lot's of pople are DYING to know. PLEASE Do tell!

Let me have a go. The best 'reason' I can think of for why anybody might even propose this, is because they want to sell a load of complete bullshit to a bunch of morons. Angels..? WTF what are we 4yr olds? The tooth fairy IS actually more plausible.

[skepticoz]

So... you mean to tell me that you haven't go the faintest idea WHY somebody would claim you cant test their load of absurd bullshit until after you die? Funny that! See how it evades falsification. And you haven't a clue why naive people would want to believe they can not only some how evade the finality of death, but (because they're so special), they will get to become ANGELS. Oh WOW, you get to be a divine entity. Oh GOODY GOODY. Yet those who claimed this, cant be proven wrong? Hmm? LOL!!!

[Onemillionmoney]

@jamerson9123 your wrong! I speak in tongue and you can tell real from fake. listen to the sounds, it has the say sound from those who are real! im doing it right and its real! when im depressed or angry I pray in tongue and my feelings go away instantly.

[thespursareadynasty]

@Onemillionmoney When im depressed i drink whiskey and my feelings go away instantly too, what does that prove?

[tomatot94]

I don't want to live in this world anymore, it's filled with morons.

[fulton8or]

Yea, I'm an agnostic and i honestly doubt speaking in tongues. It means your speech center in the "Broca's Area" of your brain. There is a lack of activity in the frontal lobes during the practicing of "Speaking in tongues." Sorry, i believe in god, but I can't believe in this. I'm a studying psychologist, and I ace'd this class already.

[ChurchOfKali66619]

"To worship Christ is to fornicate witha dead Cockroach."

----Kalimite saying

And a Christian speaking in tongues is fornicating with a dead Cockroach with Tourette Syndrome!

[skepticoz]

@ChurchOfKali66619 "And a Christian speaking in tongues is fornicating with a dead Cockroach with Tourette Syndrome!"

LOL.

[ChurchOfKali66619]

@skepticoz PWN!!!!! I ROTFLMAONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rightsideofhistory]

They want glossolalia? They need to take some DMT (look it up) and then they can take a shot at hearing (and trying to talk back) in glossolalia. That's when your brain opens its "third eye" and we bags of mortal flesh can perceive (possibly) the reality around us broken from our 5 mortal senses. This babbling isn't anything but jabbering mouths and vocal cords. Trancend. There is no god, and I wish everybody on earth had one 8 minute DMT experience to see that.

[Hairysteed]

No vocabulary, no syntax, no structure, no grammar = not a language

[LAlba9]

PS: I'm not kidding either. I think the glossolalia I speak in is at a higher educational level than the average Assemblies of God high school dropout. Don't 'Faith-ers' that get diplomas from Oral Roberts University, for example, speak in "college level tongues"?

[skepticoz]

@LAlba9 "Don't 'Faith-ers' that get diplomas from Oral Roberts University, for example, speak in "college level tongues"?"

You'd think so. Especialy with a name like ORAL Roberts Uni to their acclaim. If it were the Anal Roberts Uni, I'd expect to hear them 'farting in sphincters' at a colege level too.

[LAlba9]

@skepticoz

I do not believe that "glossolalia" is accurately represented by the Pentacostal interpretation of Paul's epistle (Corinthians 1 or 2...?) about speaking in the tongues of angels. However, having said that, I do believe it's worthy of study for other than religious reasons.It's a curious denominational affectation, silly at best, delusional at worst.

[LAlba9]

I'm an atheist and I've been speaking in tongues for years... no kidding...usually when I'm alone or sometimes just kidding around with my kids. What does that mean? Is it coded scientific lecturing? Would Darwin or Richard Dawkins be able to understand? Is atheistic glossolalia different from Pentecostal blather? What's up with that...do I have a brain tumor? Are the drugs finally taking their toll and am I overlapping into the domain of angels' tongues and Homer Simpson?

[anavywife28]

I visited this church before and i went to the front altar for prayer and i couldnt stop talking in these tounges, i tried to stop but i couldnt..... i wonder what that was, it was very scary but it felt good. it hasnt happened again

[xeroxusify]

I think these people should be all commited, I mean do you folks think any of these people are competant enough to raise or be around children? I know people called crazy for FAR FAR less craziness then this gibberish.

[KarinMikazuki]

How come everytime christians pray they tell God to do stuff for them? is God their little bitch in their minds?

[revcow]

When spoken by schizophrenics, glossolalia are recognized as gibberish. In charismatic Christian communities glossolalia is sacred and referred to as "speaking in tongues" or having "the gift of tongues."

[HolyGhostsaved1]

Anyone who has not experienced the gift of tongues, will not understand it. IT is sad to hear so many people disrespecting something that Jesus said was GODly. I pray that someday each of you will know you were wrong and ask God to reveal the truth to you.

[sweetmonkeylove1]

'Sometimes I think I sound like a total idiot.'

I second that motion.

[nibus9]

Sounds uttered by these pentacostal americans vary differently from say for example indian pentacostalists tounge speakers . these americans tend to speak some sort of semitic utterances on the other hand i found a indian pentacostal lady who spoke something which did not sound any way near to the language spoken by these americans .... WHY ??

[2323jgrant]

i live near Gettysburg. i think im gonna grab my shotty and take a lil drive... ;D

[ostbagen]

Actually even a language you don't know don't sound as gibberish to you if you analyse it a bit.

[KarinMikazuki]

@ostbagen

NO language when spoken casually will ever return this "gagagagagagagagagaga"

[bloomingdedalus]

My rapist from my church taught me tongues - it did a great job of helping me forget years of trauma and abuse at their hands. I'm an atheist and I can still speak in tongues at will.

[joejoeriley]

crazy fucking wierdos!

[1bluesminister]

hey HEY... what am i sposed to think?? im speaking in the 'surprise language' and my friend who is Arab, muslim, says HEY YOURE SPEAKING THIS PHRASE IN ARABIC. (im not trying.) totally different time, im doing some communications with spirit-realm for the hurt heart of a friend of mine and somebody says HEY YOURE SPEAKING FARSI. a person is speaking in the 'sad and pathetic' language and they are heard speaking PERFECT HUNGARIAN by a visitor. skepitcoz, do you think SPIRIT-BEINGS exist?

[1bluesminister]

hey skepticoz the writings called the 'new testament' is a boring thing that i avoided for most of my life. then i discovered that there is a bizarre UNIFORMITY to that TIGHT, SMALL set of writings SPREAD AROUND the world in the roman era. i m a librarian -libertarian-artist-world traveler-musican- avante garde type. the dead sea scrolls discovery did a wierd thing. it showed that the 'other' part of the 'bible' was not changed for AGES. hm.

[woodsman2150]

them ppl hav,nt read the BIBLE, they need to read 1 corinthians chapter 15; man does not live by bread alone,but every word of god... why do ppl take just part of the HOLY BIBLE,and leave part out? maybe it just don,t fit their life as christian... no mattter what we beleive at least do it right... that is cufuseing,and god is not the auther of confusion... the HOLY BIBLE is pretty simple rights is right wrong is wrong...

[TheGreaterGood80]

Call me crazy, but I thought news pieces were supposed to be...what's that word....you know, objective? I'm only seeing one side of the story here. Glossolalia is nothing more than a self-induced trance, similar to what followers of Vodun(Voodoo) perform.

[Tempestery]

There she waaaaas, justa walkin next to me, singing "da da dooo da diddy diddy dum diddy do sha la kepa tepepepep la ca sha metek a baubububu..."

[JOE69541]

these guys are just going A LA LA CA CA SHA SHA.true glossolalia is much smoother than this. you would swear it was a language it just rolls right off the tounge. . i beleive true glossolalia is the essence of communication. its cool to have that freedom of syntactical intent with no pauses or thinking of the right words to say. weirdest thing ive ever done and it only happened once on 4 grams of psilocybin

[lucyfanclub]

What a load of SHIT!!

Does eating pussy count as tongueing?

[skepticoz]

@lucyfanclub

It does where I come from. ;)

[kiwehtin]

@lucyfanclub I think it's a far more sacred thing in fact than this nonlinguistic babbling in a dissociated state.

[bodeezy]

These people are so sad & pathetic. I would feel pity for them if I could stop laughing...I damn near broke a rib at 5:33 & 5:55 !

It's the pentacostals & mormons that provide the comedy relief for the catholics & muslims drama.....

So ridiculous.

[skepticoz]

@bodeezy

Every circus has it´s clowns.

[moe761]

@bodeezy I used to think like you but I went to church one day and felt god's touch...it's inexplainable man, in know it sounds insane but you have to try it for yourself...you dont know that you are missing out on

[bodeezy]

@moe761 It's completely explainable. See the vid? I doubt you used to think like me if you became a believer. After going down my path of learning about religion's origins (particularly christianity) there is no way that I could become a believer short of jesus materializing in front of me & explaining all of the b.s. in the bible & performing a miracle that would shame Criss Angel. If any religion were true, there would be no possible doubt which god were real. Read the story of babel.

[thou9009]

@bodeezy Yeah. I wonder why, if you are praying TO the "Holy Ghost", you would need his help. It seems absurd.

I guess it's sort of like. "Here, take this lubricant so you can 'stroke' my, ahem, ego."

Oh, Holy Ghost, omniscient one, why do you so need your lowly creations to constantly validate you?

[skepticoz]

@thou9009 Great observation thou. Yes, you have to wonder if these people don't claim to understand the meaning of their gibberish, then who does? If it's their divine friend they claim to be doing the speaking then who is he speaking too? Himself? Then apparently the omniscient one, is so omniscient, he doesn't even know what he himself is thinking, without doing so out loud (ie: talking to himself) and even then he requires an intermediary to process the dialouge, like a human babelfish. LOL.

[thou9009]

@skepticoz Hehe. Yup. The only thing more absurd about that is that people are basing their entire lives on this crap. "God" help us;)

[MorroccoSurrogate]

Kalabash!

Cults look like fun.

I wish I was a little more delusional.

[addidutzu]

the apostles spoke in their thongue (aramaic jewish language) and the foreign people who were listening understood the speech in their own language....that was the miracle...not what the people in this video are doing...

[skepticoz]

@addidutzu

No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle,

unless that testimony be of such a kind,

that it´s falsehood would be more miraculous,

than the fact which it endeavors to establish. ~~~~~~~ David Hume ~~~~~~~~

Seems to me that the falsehood of this claim, would be far less miraculous (therefore more parsimonious) that the claim itself. Hume understood parsimony so long ago, yet even today people think testifying to miracles, should make a claim seem MORE convincing.

[addidutzu]

@skepticoz

"and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, according as the Spirit was giving them to declare.

5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation of those under the heaven, 6 and the rumour of this having come, the multitude came together, and was confounded, because they were each one hearing them speaking in his proper dialect" ~~~~~~ Luke, Jesus Christ's disciple ~~~~~~~~

[obcpunk]

if everyone in heaven speaks like a fool then I am glad I'm not going there.

[cherubimX]

Londoma kandalahands mekowoloba nonadalamashandala

[dh8mt4eu]

what complete fools.

[skepticoz]

I mirrored this from a guy who had posted it as SUPPORT (as in evidence) for gibbersolalia LOL. Thou must have toileth whence thine yonder sun doth parch thy brow, lo, an behold, that brimstone and fire below, which relenteth not whence peril thee such fever unto thine such madness of dogs who knowth not where thine master resideth and bayeth they, yea and howl to thy moon above. Such sense maketh unto dead mule, but costeth less he to feed. Blessed are ye who beleiveth not, babbling fools.

[dh8mt4eu]

lol because that obviously means that it must be true lmao

some people shud reely wake up and see how much they are embarrassing themselves :P

[0341593]

Can't wait till the second coming of the J man.

I bet he'll head to a church where these people hang out, and then leave promptly.

[skepticoz]

I think he had better apologize for the mob of deluded nut bags he inspired and then head over to Richard Dawkins house to concede defeat. Richard will understand. Kids from broken homes with a violent parent are in the high risk area for cult leadership, superstition development, delusions of grandeur, and are often high risk takers. On the other hand he might just be hankering for a bit more nailing up. The last crucification might be wearing off. He might need a top up. Nail his balls! I say.

[woodsman2150]

@0341593 they are not speaking in tongue the way god word says to do it ..1 corinthians chapter 15... tells how god meant for the one who has gift of s, t, some peple just want to put on a show...

[longstrider9999]

ghfkuyj gkstr wgbhgf ghtdf aasaada....that means good video man! in the tngues of fools...keep it up.

[skepticoz]

Tks longstrider9999. I will keep you in mind for translations then. ;)

[longstrider9999]

glad to be of service, tho remember your local priest can help with the bullshit =P, better than me i might add.

[tanfouk]

Here's a link to a summary of the Samarin study of glossolalia. Long ago I noticed that English speakers in tongues never utter any syllables or phonemes used by speakers of other languages, even common ones such as Chinese, German or Russian. I find this very odd, because you'd think that some of these people would have learned a smattering of foreign languages at some point during their lives.

[skepticoz]

Thanks tanfouk but I don't see the link.

[crjetpilot]

These poor folks are nutty!

[RevRydland]

thanks for posting

[skepticoz]

You're welcome.

[iamimiPod]

I've seen that before, then the men in white came along...