Rick Warren - PEACE Plan

[88momart]

Did Jesus ask us to fix the world? "Fix" men's souls, and their focus will change...and their deeds (good acts) will follow. Seek FIRST, the Kingdom.

[TheKJVberean]

@tkointhefirst @1776freedomfighter Your both right. Rick Warren is serving another jesus. This is a trap to bring people into the one world religion. Apostasy at its finest, many Christians lack discernment today so they buy all of it hook line and sinker.

[Wintblash]

google Doe's Account, its mindblowing.

[UcanbeGOD]

HA! Rick makes so much sense. Its true we need to mobilize and stop talking about our goals to help others, you know? I mean all this prayer and worship of god should have worked a long time ago according to scripture, but its funny how you can just pray and pray and the only time anything actually happens is when you do it yourself. Hmmm, almost like there is no god at all! Think about that people LOL

[wachteropdemuur]

Mister Warren, what about preachting the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Truth, the Way and the Life??

[tkointhefirst]

First of all,to call someone"a lost brother"is not your call,only the Lord's.What P.E.A.C.E PLAN is MR.warren talking about,think about it,ONE WORLD RELIGION(ANOTHER JESUS),which if you have picked a Bible you might know about it,that's right,the apostacy foretold in the bible(pluralism=ecumenical-mov­ement=ONE WORLD RELIGION)look it up in a dictionary if you don't believe God's word.Oh yeah,works will NOT get you to heaven(read eph.2:8,9:galations5:1-5)FAITH WITHOUT WORK IS DEAD!

[1776freedomfighter]

Can you say NWO and One World Church?

I have seen some of these Christian Churches, where the bathrooms have nicer furniture in them than I have in my house. I would rather buy needy people food than give my money to a church (and by the way, I do buy the needy food).

And since we have a right to our own views, I believe that Rick Warren is a false prophet, swindler, parasite and a Fucktard. The flock of sheeple at his church are stupid ninnies.

[jburkhammer]

I give the needy money too. And I am a member of the church of Christ. Its not Ricks church, its Christs church. Ask him, he will tell you. Your opinion of others is harsh and hateful and does not jive with you helping the needy at all. How can one be so hateful, and helpful at once? You are lost brother, and Christ can show you the way. "Only hurt people, hurt people."(Rick Warren). Matt:12:34 says, "Words flow out of what fills the heart" Think about it. What fills your heart?

[armandosainz]

This is not Christianity Rick Warren. It's kingdom building. Rick Warren's message is so subtle. It sounds

good but it is kingdom building without the King.

I like what tedted33 said...

Preach the gospel

Evangelize

Act according to his commandments

Christ alone

Expose false teachers

[AlternativaRadical]

I would recommend you to read the Bible in deep. Don't go out preaching with weak arguments. You just don't wanna work on thr Gospel

[AlternativaRadical]

"Little children, we must stop expressing love merely by our words and manner of speech; we must love also in action and in truth."

1 john 3:16

[markrobertwilson2]

Amen alternative! Faith expressed as ACTION.

[tedted33]

Here is a new peace plan

Preach the gospel

Evangelize

Act according to his commandments

Christ alone

Expose false teachers

[AlternativaRadical]

Your a missing the most important thing:

"Love, Love your neighbor"

[markrobertwilson2]

Right on Alternative. Lots of people in here have great faith... and the bible says that of these three "faith hope and love" it says that we need all three of course, but the one we can't do without, the one that must be there: is love. Love is a choice, an action.

[FaithandReasons]

Rick's P.E.A.C.E. Plan=Interfaith Movement

[erwindale49]

no, it is not an interfaith movement. warren is very clear that the Christian church is to be doing Jesus' work. he allows that in doing so we Christian will find ourselves side by side with others from different faiths as we tackle the same problems. cooperation does not mean we give up our values or convictions.

[FaithandReasons]

It's not "JESUS' WORK" 2 unify w/the unsaved in the name of social work. Christ didn't "get 2gether" w/pharisees 2 help the poor. He worked w/His disciples only. The Apostles didn't join up w/the unsaved 2 do the Father's work either.

Christ prayed 4 Believers 2 b 1 as He & the Father r 1 (John 17:21-23). He never prayed 4 Believers 2 b 1 w/the world in the name of "social work"...~

U r in error. Pls obey Jesus only, not the "mission statements" of men.

[markrobertwilson2]

Amen erwin. We can all do different things and retain our conviction. We can work with people of other faith and still retain our conviction. Amen.

[markrobertwilson2]

For those who complain... here are the 5 items:

1. plant churches!!!!!

2. train leaders

3. help the poor!!!

4. care for the sick!!!!

5. education

Every single on the them is Christian. See James 1:27!

[WaitHuhSayWhat]

The p.e.a.c.e. plan sounds just like Roman Catholicism!

It even leaves out the gospel of salvation!!!

[WaitHuhSayWhat]

The p.e.a.c.e. plan sounds just like Roman Catholicism!

It even leaves out the gospel of salvation!!!

[Kohl93]

with the exception of point 1 it sounds more of a humanitarian plan. nothing wrong with that. i just don't see the need for more churches when they're already taking enough money. shouldn't helping the poor and sick take precedence over church planting?

[markrobertwilson2]

I see the need for both.

If God raises you up to plant churches, then go for it and don't hold back. If He raises you up to evangelize or travel or be like His own mom and raise a Godly child, then do it unto Him.

But because of the importance of love, we are ALL to love and help the needy. No one is exempt. So many of His Kingdom parables explain this over and over.

"Get away from Me, I never knew you". That parable should really drive the issue home to anyone.

[Kohl93]

perhaps its just me. i'm not a christian so i'd much rather give money for direct food and medical supplies than a church. that way i completely cut out the middle man, and the money he'll want to build something (a church building) that i see as unnessary. it also cuts out the idea of holding the food and medical supplies as hostage for the sake of recruiting. something a lot of churches would do. but that's me. peace.

[markrobertwilson2]

I support your right to believe what you choose to believe.

Having said that, I'd like to share that I think Christianity and Jesus Christ is the right answer for the problems in the world.

That's my view - even while I accept your right to hold a different view. We both have the right to our own views.

[Kohl93]

there are many that would share your views. and i also respect your right to your beliefs. (Freedom of Religion DOES extend to chritians as well) but the belief in christianity and/or Jesus is not exactly a building. the christians that wish to help the poor and sick should be admired for it. but there are already buildings and groups trying to do that as well. all a christian needs to do is volunteer with one of them. i doubt Jesus would mind.

[Tilbily]

Interesting how Neale Donald Walsh's 5 point peace plan (pre-Warren) looks just like Warren's. Walsh is an agressive new-ager.

[markrobertwilson2]

I have no idea who Walsh is AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. I am encouraging people to keep Jesus' command of loving one another, to fulfill the commands in the bible to win the world for Jesus through our practical love for one another.

Please stop promoting awareness of the "new age" here. Lets just focus on Jesus and what He told us to do in His Name: love!

[Tilbily]

"Rick Warren has a plan to help the poor, set people free from darkness, heal people... and that is EXACTLY what Jesus told us to do."

Nonsense. This is what I referred to. Warren has severely compromised the truth. Biblically, Christians aren't allowed to do that, no matter how wonderful the "cause" associated with it.

[markrobertwilson2]

You have a "thing" about the new age don't you?

How about getting your eyes *off* the enemy and get them back *onto* the bible. Get into your car today and go "visit orphans and widows in their distress".

James 1:27 "Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world."

[FaithandReasons]

very true tilbily. Rick's motivations are not of Christ. u obviously have discernment.

[Tilbily]

Seems presumptuous and arrogant to assume that nobody else is out there helping the poor and needy.

Warren is a graduate of Robert Schuller's school. His quotes and PLAN are torn from the pages of Schuller's books. Which are derived from new age gurus. Want more names? A little discenment is vital.

[markrobertwilson2]

It's presumptuous and arrogant of YOU to say I assume that no one else is doing it.

I and a group of Christians help 80-90 needy people each week through public feeding. I other people who do it too.

But many MORE need to do it. See James 1:27!

[markrobertwilson2]

What is "new age" about asking people who go to church to ACTUALLY get out there and keep Jesus' command to LOVE. To stop sitting around doing nothing and be like Jesus... getting out there amongst the poor and needy.

James 1:27 "Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world."

Don't just attend church. Choose to BE the person who makes a difference to someone's life.

[michellebelle71]

Peace plan?Does this guy ever read a bible.??

Once again Rick contradicts the word.Theres nothing wrong with taking care of people.However the bible is clear there will never be world peace untill the Lord returns.

[markrobertwilson2]

The bible says "We will always have the poor" so does that mean we shouldn't help the poor? No, we are meant to HELP the poor, lift them up.

Isaiah 58 shows that we are to very practical. Jesus was extremely practical as he went about His day not only teaching, but also healing and helping people.

Rick Warren has a plan to help the poor, set people free from darkness, heal people... and that is EXACTLY what Jesus told us to do.

[kathyseim35]

He didnt tell us to use psychology and new age methods to do it.Jesus hung out with sinners...he didnt become one of them.He refers to anyone who stands on the words as legalists.You can do good works,but unless youre doing God works,its pointless.

[misterb1972]

My question is, why has this man joined the Council on Foreign Relations, which is an outright evil organization in America?

[LightsReflection]

There are points missing in this explanation of Mr. Warren's "peace" plan. He claims it is a church to church movement. Well since when are pro-abortionists, homosexuals, feminists, and new world order organizations considered part of the church? Jesus did not work with corrupt Rome in order to accomplish humanitarian efforts. Warren may be following a peace plan, but it certainly isn't Christ's.

[iremon]

This man is a delusional, lying hypocrite - just like his followers.  Ugh!

[TrophyRanger]

IREMON:

Accusations without supporting facts is not only unprofessional but slanderous. Your criticism should be welcome by why don't you back it up with evidence and hard facts?

[iremon]

I live near his Saddleback "MegaChurch" complex. One look at it and you can see he is a self-serving meglomaniac who is totally clueless as to what Christ was all about.

[TrophyRanger]

Iremon: Interestingly enough so do I. Perhaps you would call me a "delusional, lying hypocrite follower." I too was skeptical when I first stepped foot on Saddleback's campus. I urge you to spend 5 minutes conducting unbiased research on Rick Warren and Saddleback Church. I am confident that when you conduct your due diligence you will find your accusations dead wrong.

[iremon]

True or False: The world is run by all-powerful invisible beings who need to be worshiped.

If you said 'True', then is doesn't matter what megachurch, temple, mosque, or shrine you worship said beings in. I don't live in your universe and your imaginary friends don't live in mine. Have a nice life.

[Notcoldsoup]

But you don't know they are imaginary. While Rick Warren is trying to build connections, it seems you are building separations: "I don't live in your universe" unfortunately, we all live in one another's universes.

[markrobertwilson2]

He made the decision to eat with them BEFORE they got saved. But we have to eat with them in the HOPE that they WILL get saved.

Paul said, if we do not go and tell them, how will they know? Tell them what? That God loves them.

We must GO and SHOW the love of God for these people. They will then SEE that there is a loving God and they MIGHT (I pray) turn to Him. In that way they know how then to minister to others - by loving those others.

I respect your committment and itegrity grasshopper.

[grasshopperjax]

Listen, markrobertwilson, believe it or not, I do come with a spirit of love. My love is for Christ, first and foremostm above ANY man or anything of this world. I'll spell it out for you. 1 Corinthians 5:12 says we are to judge one another in the church. How do you toss that verse out if that's what it plainly states?

[markrobertwilson2]

In the next verse it says:

Cor 5:13 ... Drive out that wicked one from among you.

So Rick Warren is wicked because...

1. he wants to love people (John 15:12)

2. he spends time with the unsaved... just as Jesus did

3. he runs a church with lots of salvations and NEW converts and baptisms

4. he wants to SHOW his faith BY what he does James 2:18

I don't see a problem.

[markrobertwilson2]

About Rom 16:17 "...concerning those who create dissensions and difficulties and cause divisions, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught. [I warn you to ... avoid them.

v18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ but their own "appetites and base desires"...

Rick Warren is bringing the love of Jesus to the poor in Africa. No one has a job. He has nothing to gain.

This is not a "base desire". It's showing the love of God to the homeless and destitute (John 15:12)

[grasshopperjax]

www dot worldnetdaily dot com (forward slash) news (forward slash)article dot asp?ARTICLE_ID=53030

Rick Warren is a member of the COuncil of Foreign Relations, a Freemason group intended to bring about the One world order, a front for the Anti Christ. Rick Warren is a not a Christian and anyone defending this will have innocent Christian blood on their hands and an angry God to answer to. I have said my peace on this.

[markrobertwilson2]

Hi Grasshopper.

Thanks for the link. I read it. I don't agree with you. I really have no further answer for you.

I wish you well in your journey with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Bless you,

Mark.

[grasshopperjax]

You disagree with me that Rick warren is a member of the CFR? He says so himself in the link I provided! You disagree that the CFR is a Freemason group? Countless sources confirm this fact! Do you disagree that the CFR is intent on world unification? It's the sole reason for their existence! Look it up.

[markrobertwilson2]

Hi Grasshopper

Can I encourage you to listen to this YouTube teaching by Rick:

watch?v=5kd46bPz1_M

In it he says over and over so many times and so clearly that *Jesus* is the only way, the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but through Himself (Jesus).

He also says clearly that no other teacher is a way into heaven. No one else is the way, only Jesus.

Rick's doctrine is sound and good - see and listen for yourself.

Bless you,

Mark.

[grasshopperjax]

How sound was his doctrine when he praised terrorist Syria in a video that he eventually took of from Youtube? Did he proclaim to the Muslim Syrians that they were all lost without Jesus Christ and that Muhammad was a false prophet and that Islam was of the devil? That there only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ? I doubt it 100 percent.

[markrobertwilson2]

I have no idea about any of that. I just watched his video and listened to his words.

[868hbl5]

Here is what Warren said:

"Who's the man of peace in any village - or it might be a woman of peace - who has the most respect, they're open and they're influential? They don't have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, but they're open and they're influential and you work with them to attack the five giants. And that's going to bring the second Reformation."

[markrobertwilson2]

Yeah I can see how that smell funny. We have to try and figure out what he means.

Rick Warren is a known person who wants to see salvations. So he's not saying that people can believe just anything.

Perhaps what he is saying is to be effective we can connect with the leaders and bring the Good News of Jesus Christ TO the people by ACTIONS:

James 2:18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith BY WHAT I DO.

[grasshopperjax]

"We have to try and figure out what he means."

Are you serious? with all due respect, he meant what he said he meant. His words mean what they say they mean, otherwise he is not being plain and direct. He said we have to work with non-christians for the peace plan and bring about a second reformation. That's exactly what he meant.

[markrobertwilson2]

I am serious. I don't even know what a "second refomation" is!! So I have to figure out what he is saying and what he is meaning... before I judge him. Come to think of it, didn't Jesus say not to judge?

[grasshopperjax]

He said not to judge your brother's beam until you remove your log, THEN YOU CAN JUDGE, and the proof is in 1 Corinthians 5 when Paul told the church at Corinth to JUDGE the adulterers amongst them and remove them, because a little leaven leavens the lump. And Paul also said to mark and AVOID false teachers in Romans 16.

[markrobertwilson2]

Hey man, it's your life. All the best.

It must be WONDERFUL to not have a speck in your eye. You're perfect like your Father in Heaven is perfect right? Wow. Amazing.

Well go ahead, be the first one to throw a stone at another person.

[grasshopperjax]

Many references are made to avoiding false prophets and being separate from unbeleivers. We are all sinners, yes, but we are also called to, guess what, be perfect (Matthew 5:48.) That means not being a slave to sin and keeping God's laws, including not fellowshipping with unbelievers. If you're so hot about not judging, then you may want to destroy your copy of 1 Corinthians 5 since Paul, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, instructed beleivers to JUDGE ONE ANOTHER.

[markrobertwilson2]

Jesus ate with tax collectors, befriended prostitutes and spent time with all kinds of sinners.

The disciples couldn't believe it. But He said He did not come to condemn (call fire down) and He *rebuked* His disciples for thinking that.

His is a Kingdom of love, an ever-growing and ever-expanding influence in this earth.

We might need to build a house for them, house the orphans, eat in their houses and gain their trust. Our love will soften their heart and bring them to salvation in Him.

[grasshopperjax]

Jesus ate with tax collectors, prostitutes and other sinners- AND GOT THEM SAVED. He did not fellowship with them unless they got saved. Every single last one of them. The love of God means to keep His commandments (1 John 2:3-6,) so what do you think about 1 Corinthians 5 and Romans 16:17? What about Jude 3-4? What are your thoughts on those verses?

[868hbl5]

Rick Warren says he will work with Muslims and atheists on his "peace" plan. That is what I'm talking about. Jesus would NEVER do this!!! Come on!

[markrobertwilson2]

I respect your passion and committment man. I really do.

I think that we WILL have to work with people in order to reach the last 30% of the world. But the trick will be to work with people WITHOUT compromising our values.

I don't see Rick compromising. The guy's life literally SCREAMS Jesus is Lord - throughout his life and teachings and writings.

Please Lord Jesus, keep Rick from falling and from compromising.

[grasshopperjax]

The job of a Christian is to spread the gospel (Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:16,) and the Gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15. In order for Warren to work with a Muslim or Jew, he would first have to get them saved with the Gospel. Otherwise he is not to be unequally yoked with unbeleivers (2 Corinthians 6:14.)

[markrobertwilson2]

Unequally yoked? He is not *MARRYING* them. hehehehe. He's just working alongside them to life up the poor.

Get your butt over to Saudi and THEN throw stones at other Christians who are actually following Jesus' walk in helping the poor and ministering to their needs.

[grasshopperjax]

I take it you don't read the Bible. Read 2 Corinthians chapter 6. Paul was NOT talking about marrying unbeleivers. He was specifically referring to fellowshipping with unbeleivers. Following Jesus' walk MEANS GETTING PEOPLE SAVED WITH THE GOSPEL, period. Not social works, which is a false gospel you seem to be promoting.

[markrobertwilson2]

Following Jesus is about loving God *and* loving others as we love ourselves. Those are Jesus' very words. Those are the greatest commands.

Of all the things: love, hope and faith... the greatest is LOVE.

We will be known as His disciples because of our love for one another.

Jesus' own words make it clear what our focus is to be. Love. Rick is loving God and He is loving people. He is keeping Jesus' commands.

He said that if we do not love, we are not *of* Him.

[grasshopperjax]

Here's a word on love: John says in 1 John 2:3-6 that those who LOVE GOD keep His commandments, and that includes ROmans 16:17 and 1 Corinthians 5. May I remind you that Jesus Himself in Matthew 18:17 said if a man who sinned did not adhere to the church that he was to be publicly rebuked? Let me ask you, what are your thoughts on Paul saying we should judge one another in 1 Cornithians 5?

[markrobertwilson2]

> those who LOVE GOD keep His commandments

Exactly right. And what did HE say His command is? It's in the the very next verse: John 15:12

John 15:12 (Amplified Bible) This is My commandment: that you love one another [just] as I have loved you.

So we must serve one another and reach out to the unsaved and love them etc.

Those verses? Judging one another is secondary and used seldom. To SHOW our love for one another is the PRIMARY command ALL DAY... EVERY DAY.

[868hbl5]

Examine the PEACE plan carefully and you'll find just another program that any atheist, muslim or other false religion can be involved with.

[markrobertwilson2]

And your point is... what?

Just because other peace plans use english, should we Christians decide to go invent another language just so we're "not like them"?

Come on people!! Jesus *TOLD* us to do stuff like this!!

[868hbl5]

Go ahead, show me where Jesus worked with non-believers...if that is what you are claiming.

[markrobertwilson2]

Too easy!!

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the *POOR*."

Luke 19:8-9 And Zacchae'us stood and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the *POOR*; and if I have defrauded any one of anything, I restore it fourfold." And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house..."

There are 37 verses about the poor in the NT (ESV).

[markrobertwilson2]

Rick Warren is calling to CHURCHES to rise up and help the poor.

Matt 25:41-45 (...shortened) "Depart from me, you cursed... for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; ...' ...'Lord, when did we see you hungry ... and didn't help you?' "Then he will answer them, saying, '...inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.'

[markrobertwilson2]

FALSE? Let's see... he encourages the church to be the church (Eph 3) and he encourages you and I to help the poor just as Jesus said we should. Not so false sounding to me - pretty biblical in fact!

[grasshopperjax]

Biblical, huh? Did Warren say it was the mission of the church to get people saved, to get them to Christ because CHrist and Christ alone is the way to heaven? No, he conspicuously omitted that one important fact. 1 Corinthians 1:18 is the reason why.

[markrobertwilson2]

Salvations: He runs a church in which he has had amazing growth of people and he gets all or most of them baptised even. This guy is VERY committed to salvations.

This video is about the church - that's you and me! This video is about you and me getting ACTIVE and helping the poor. Jesus spent ALL of his time amongst the poor and said that if we do not love the poor, the homeless and the orphans and lost - then we do not know Him or His Father in heaven.

[grasshopperjax]

If Warren was committed to salvation, the first thing he would do is CONVERT the muslim or the Jew or the Hindu he wants to work with, otherwise he has given them their ticket to Hell and has NO love in him. And Jesus spent his time with the poor to GET THEM SAVED, not fed or clothed. Food or clothing means nothing without everlasting life in Heaven.

[markrobertwilson2]

I'm sure he is working on that too. Tell me, since you're the first one to throw a stone... I'm guessing you're sending this message from Bahrain or Saudi Arabia? Wow. Cool.

If, on the other hand, you have NOT first practiced what you're preaching... then I suggest that you put the stones down.

[grasshopperjax]

If you're saying we are not to test the spirits due to the amount of false prophets (1 John 4:1,)prove all things (1 Thess. 5:21,) mark and avoid false prophets (Romans 16:17,) and judge one another (1 Corinthians 5:12,) then you're telling me to disobey the bible and obey you instead. No, I serve Christ and only Christ and will obey what the Bible instructs.

[AirRaidX]

Rick Warren is one of the many FALSE teachers that Jesus warned about.

[KulJelly]

Awesome!