haha tht cant be accurate especially becuz u would need tht data from the masjids who of course dont track tht info down ...and u dont have enuf info to say tht we oppress women and its funny how u say this as u are some expert when in fact u get ur info thru cnn and ur comments reflect tht
the person whom organized this group died in the twin towers let the NYers decide for themselves and dont talk unless u have something smart to asy u uneducated kike
They were about as Muslim as Hitler and his army were Christian. Islam is a verb, it means submission to God's will. The laws of Islam are here to protect 5 things: (1) Religion (2) Property (3) Progeny (4) Intellect, and (5) LIFE. Whoever is not in a state of submission (complying with the laws of God) is in a state of rebellion.
OOPS! Did it again-Responded in my wife's user name-She thinks kepler works for the FBI- I think she is right! But serpent kepler is still stupid & foolish 2 me-He makes believe good is evil & evil is good-ppl R free when they R slaves 2 their desires which destroy them & society-enslaved 2 ideas & things they cant break free from even if they wanted to stop or get away from-ie-slaves 2 sex-drugs-gambling-fashion-alcohol-over eating-Then when 1 wants 2 B free by being a slave of God he fights it
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The FBI! That Dhimmi operation! Not in a million years! Look "Prince of Thieves" Islam is slavery of the mind to a dead Arabian warlord. No real god would need silly mortals fighting its battles for it. Most muslims are decadent as hell. You should see the crazy stuff muslims do. Just look on youtube! Beheadings, killing children, having boys gyrate around like girls (Saudi Arabia) becuase all the women are locked up, kidnapping girls and raping them and forcing them into Islam (Pakistan/Egypt)
Americans are wonderful people they deserve to know Islam, the evil Zionist media brainwash them on a daily basis to hate Islam and Muslims. Convey the message of Islam to them and let them accept it or reject it. We have done our job.
Muslims can lie: (1) to a woman, (2) to promote peace with non-muslims (to make non-muslims think Islam is peaceful, when it is not, like this ad campaign!), and in war (many muslims think they are at "war" with the west so it is ok to lie to promote to defend the faith).
Muslims can lie: (1) to a woman, (2) to promote peace with non-muslims
We are at war with the West because of Israel and the Zionists but why should the Muslims lie to defend the faith? Can you show us where does it say Muslim can lie? Perhaps you are talking about Christianity the biggest lie ever. You have been brain washed Orientalists like William Muir. Seek knowledge on your own, learn Islam from Islamic scholars not even try to learn Islam from ignorant Muslims.
See Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857 for proof. So it is permmited in the aHadith and thus in Islam. So lying is allowed in Islam. It is done on a regular basis to promote ease for non-muslims in the west. The truth is Islam is not peaceful at all.
also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857 for proof. So it is permmited in the aHadith and thus in Islam. So lying is allowed in Islam.
OK why don't you post the Hadith here so that we can discuss about that. What does the Qur'an say, if you find anything to support that then the Hadith is rejected. Anyway you post the Hadith here not the pages and numbers. Which Zionist site do you pick these thing up, careful you are their slaves.
This is a clear evidence & Proof serpent kepler is a lying devil w/ intent 2 decieve & mislead-This is a copy & paste of 1 of this serpents comments- serpent kepler1000 (1 week ago) Sunan al-Tirmidhi: "Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying in times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people- Not what he posted later-The USA called a criminal act on the towers an act of war and a prelude 2 invade & pilage the Muslims- U Lier
It says what it says! Islam allows lying to protect the faith. Thus why muslims (like you) hide things like the death penalty for leaving Islam. So if a Muslim girl decides Islam is not for her and leaves...she will be killed, or at least your Muslim brothers will try.
killed by who?? this is the case? you guys think that there is islamic police that follow people and ask about thier religion and then kills whoever they want? there is no islamic state nowadays. back then 1500 years ago everything was different, and even though the death penalty is there, there is no islamic law to justify it.
U R a roof of the statement the devil is a lier-The True Religion must be reserved/protected at all costs-& the primary focus of the religion is teaching uprightness & being straight in the path of life-& it is real & practical- so if some1 comes to harm ur brother who has just ran-& they ask u which way did he go?-U R correct in lying to them 2 protect ur family. That is practical & real & only devils & those who want 2 cause harm have a problem w/this-hence serpent kepler has a problem-ALLAH!
I am back! Took a little time off this vid to debate more intelligent muslims about how crappy their religion is. The object of Islam is conquer the world, to replace our constitiution with islamic law. That is what these guys would do if they ever win.
I don't see anything wrong with this, the ads were reviewed and approved by officials and it's not supporting extremism or terrorism regardless of who's sponsoring it. If I get Christians and Jews and Bhuddist's ringing by doorbell to preach their religion I think subway ad's are perfectly fine. Go learn if you want to or ignore it, your choice.
Islam = Slavery. West = Freedom. It is really that simple. I dispise Islam, but I ask all those who are unsure about islam, to read Sura 8 and 9 in the Quran, learn about islam on your own, not from some muslim apologist. I trust any freedom loving sole will see the truth, that islam is dangerous to our freedoms. Islam is a faith invented by a warlord in Arabia, who killed and slaughtered his way to the top. No logical person can convert to this faith...
Islam is dangerous to the "freedoms" to be immoral. Really though, nobody chooses to be immoral unless they are enslaved, e.g. slaves to hunger, greed, wanton consumerism in the face of starving brothers and sisters across the globe, etc. Ask any drug addict whether (s)he approves of the "freedom" which led to his/her destruction.
Islam promotes the freedoms which encourage morality. Non-Muslims have nothing to fear from Islam if they do not attack it. Nobody is compelled to become Muslim.
Please read some history and context before you comment. Even if you do not, a careful analysis of the verse shows that it does not impose compulsion of religion.
The verse essentially tells Muslims to fight back against specific non-Muslims, i.e. "people of the book" until they pay jizya, meaning until they accept the authority of the Muslim state. The context follows....
Notice it does not say to fight ALL non-Muslims. It says "people of the book", and from a rational perspective one would expect the pagans to be more deserving of Muslim compulsion/agression than the people of the book, had that been the way of God.
So God targeting Christians and Jews who already believe in Him (even if not necessarily correctly or fully according to Islam) is still apparently a strange choice of victim when there are many pagans available to target. The reasons include...
Well it says, fight them until they pay jizya. Jizya can only be demanded by the Muslim state in power.
This means, it applies only when (the Muslims are in power AND when the people of the book do not pay the jizya), ie when they rebel against the Muslim state, which is essentially an act of war - undermining the establishment.
Notice it doesn't say "fight until they convert", nor does it say "fight because Islam is about violence". Instead it says to fight until they accept the...
authority of the state. It's like how natives say: "when they come here they should follow our rules", even though many of don't "come" because we are born here and we already follow the rules, probably moreso than many of the natives. Anyway, I digress. Islam has the same idea, laws of the land should be obeyed by ALL, but Muslims have exceptional leave to disobey if they are compelled to be unIslamic, e.g. if the law made it compulsory for everyone to go drinking or clubbing, etc. Unlikely :-)
So Quran 9:29 is referring to a specific period in history when the Muslims were in power in Madinah(m), and those instructions are contextualised for that scenario. They are not invalid now in the sense that, should that scenario be the reality again, we have the permission to quash rebellion, but since there is not a Muslim state currently demanding jizya from rebels within the people of the book, it is something we can accept but for what it really is. It may apply to pagans too, but ...
a scholarly fatwa (ie opinion) is needed on that. It mentions people of book and not pagans purely because they are the ones who were rebelling against the state in Madinah, after having welcomed prophet Muhammad and Muslims as leader and brothers.
Not all people of the book rebelled and the verse doesn't instruct that they should be fought.
Jizya is not "punishment". Muslims paid zakat and non-Muslims should contribute to society too in a Muslim state. I pay my taxes in the UK. In fact...
So is Islam about compulsion? You quoted to me a verse which apparently supported your false claim (which I have now refuted), so let me quote to you...
I will respond in two parts...(Part 1) You have never heard of the Islamic concept of "abrogation" or "Naskh" have you? This means some Quranic verses are trumped by other Quranic verses. Thus: 2.256, 2.62, and 5.69 are trumped 3.85-6 and 9.73. As a general rule the late revealed verses trump the early revealed verses (if there is conflict between them). Remember the Quran is not in chronological order in terms of when Muhammad received them.
Thus Surah 9 is a very important because it was one of the last he received (still debated if it was the very last one). Here are a few others on Tolerance: 8.59, 66.9, 9.66, 9.113, 8.12, 8.13, 8.39, etc. However, 9.29 is very important. Based on some commentary etc., it is almost the complete finial word on Islamic views of tolerance and Jihad.
Nonsense! As-Sawi specifies that the payment of the jizya signifies that the non-Muslims are "humble and obedient to the judgements of Islam.". I call that subjugation of free will! Paying a Tax, feeling "subdued", which means people of the book have to accept a second class status if Islam ran things in the USA. That was my point so non-muslims reading this can understand what Islam is about.
More on the Dhimmi and poll tax non-muslims must accept (see 9.29 in the Quran) once Islam dominates: Ibn Kathir says that the dhimmis must be "disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated."
All my original comments were about Quran 9:29 (in response to you referring me to it), so you now referring me to the same verse for the same allegation (which I already refuted) is strange.
Anyway, I have heard of abrogation. I don't know it's definition well enough to say I agree or disagree, but I can say this:
I know the Quran isn't in chronological order (I am a Muslims remember - I have read it), and I know some verses are universally applicable and some are applicable only in...
certain contexts, such as 9:29 which I showed you from the verse itself that it says in clear language to fight non-Jizya paying people of the book, which of course can only be a reality if the Jews/Christians were rebelling against the Muslim state (by not paying Jizya), and of course Jizya can only be demanded by Muslims if they are in government. This is not the reality now anywhere, so the term is valid but not applicable right now. It will be applicable should that reality arise ...
In fact, it specifically says "people of the book" and not "everyone" (which is what one would expect, or at least we would expect pagans in preference to Jews/Xtians) because it refers to a specific historical situation.
I have read the other verses and this is not the forum to engage in such length debates, and I am not a scholar either.
In short, I believe that if you can misunderstand 9:29, you can misunderstand other verses. The language of 9:29 is very clear, and no hadith or...
commentary is more authoritative than the Quran itself.
You should refer to them to understand the context and get a scholarly opinion, but if the language is clear and if the commentary adds conflict to understanding, then the clear understanding of the Quran should be taken, but you have to be very careful that you are accurate in your methodology of analysing the verse. Look at each component of the verse and see how it relates to the remainder of the verse; don't generalise.
9:29 clearly says fight them until they pay jizya, not until they convert. So if you read otherwise elsewhere, then that's inaccurate.
The things you mention about fighting to abolish haram practice, well that is not explicitly said in this verse. So you are reading too much into it. Of course Muslims should struggle to establish Islam, but this isn't done by physical force, but rather by intellectual force. That's part of the jihad (struggle), ie to spread Islam intellectually and...
defending Islam physically ONLY IF it is attacked physically, without transgressing limits of reasonable self-defense, and opting for peaceful and humane solutions wherever possible.
Jizya DOES signify subjugation in the sense that the jizya payers have to accept the authority of the state. Just like you are now subjugated by your own government and you accept its authority over you; you pay your taxes etc. So what?! We don't live in anarchic system and Quran doesnt promote anarchy either.
Accepting the authority of the state is humbling, but it doesn't necessarily mean opression by the state, nor does it imply being 2nd class citizens. You need to learn to see things for what they are, without adding extra.
You forget that the Muslims were also subjugated by the state too. Governments cannot function if the people believe they are above the law.
Not honouring the dhimma and not giving them high rank in a Muslim govt is to be expected. I don't have a problem with that...
Islam is not a new-age hippy cult where anything goes. Islam seeks to preserve itself. If it means it can only ensure its preservation by not giving those that threaten it the power to excercise their potential threat, it's reasonable to prevent that from happening.
I don't think that the USA would hire an Al-Qaeda member in their govt, do you? It's the same idea, and really you can't disagree with it.
You are because you are on the "other side", but that's to be expected too.
Oh btw, I want to stress this, because you will say it if I don't stress it now...
"not honouring" isn't the same as "opression" or "2nd class". It's more like being "indifferent". Muslims weren't told to "punish" or hurt the dhimma. They were told to treat them with kindness. Paying Jizya gave them rights under the state, quid pro quo, and it was actually LESS than zakat which only Muslims paid. The verse is about quashing rebellion, not about spreading Islam.
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According to As-Sawi, Ibn Juzayy, etc. this verse (9.29) was "this ayat was revealed when the Messenger of Allah was commanded to fight the Byzantines. When it was sent down, the Messenger of Allah prepared for the expedition to Tabuk.". That means offensive warfare. It is not confined to an Islamic state, but for the entire world.
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You have not refuted anything! I am giving you Islamic based references and you give me nothing! Just you half-baked opinion! Ibn Juzayy says good muslims must fight Christians and Jews (not just in an Islamic state, everywhere on this earth!) because they consider as lawful carrion, blood, pork, etc." and because "they do not enter Islam.". He says that "scholars agree about accepting jizya [a religious-based poll tax] from the Jews and Christians,". This he says is a sign of their submission.
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Also, Have a look at what Ibn Ishaq (Mo 1st Bio) said about 9.29. Islamic warfare comes in three stages: first, tolerance; then, defensive warfare; and finally, offensive warfare in order to convert the unbelievers to Islam or make them pay the jizya. This is confirmed by Ibn Kathir, Ibn Juzayy, As-Suyuti. Also by people like Sayyid Qutb, Syed Abul Ala Maududi, S. K. Malik, and Saudi Chief Justice Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid support my view of it. There are many more! So who do have
You are not arguing with the historical scholars you refer to, you are arguing with me! You say I am just giving my half-baked opinion... well isn't that the purpose of this forum, to exchange ideas? Intelligent people form opinions from scholarly sources. My ultimate authority is the Quran itself. Scholars help clarify, but this verse seems fairly clear to me personally.
However, I have already given my opinion twice now, this is the third time, and your insistence of pursuing this ...
indicates that you yourself are trying to compel me to accept your understanding of the verse. There is no need. I gave my view, and I am a Muslim. Take it or leave it. At least know that not every Muslim (in fact most) do not interpret the verse as you do, so this proves there are alternative understandings of the verse (ie the correct understanding according to us).
You know what they say, "robbers are the only ones who worry about police". It just shows the mentality of the reader. ...
I already said earlier, I agree with the scholars about accepting jizya ("poll tax" accprding to you), and I explained why. The Muslims already pay zakat to contribute to society. So it's only fair that the non-Muslims contribute too in some capacity. I also said that it jizya was only payable by those earning (adult men in those days), it gave protection, ie "human rights" under the law, because in those days there was no "police force" this was a major advance brought by Islam, AND jizya ...
amount to be paid was LESS than what the Muslims paid in zakat. It had to be split along religious lines because if the condition was something else, it could be that some Muslims end up paying zakat AND jizya, and it could be that some non-Muslims end up paying nothing. After all zakat is compulsory on ALL adult Muslims.
So I agree with jizya to be paid, and I explained too that it can only occur if there is an Islamic state, because let's face it, non-Muslims aren't exactly going to ...
pay anything to the Muslims unless the Muslims are in power, even if the assurance is given that the money is to be used for the benefit of the society, eg helping to feed/clothe/provide shelter to the poor.
I also said that I agree that paying jizya is about feeling subdued, in the sense that one has to recognise the authority of the power demanding the jizya. This does not mean being 2nd class or inferior. Muslims also recognised the power of the Islamic govt, so they too were "subdued"...
- just a bit more willingly that's all, though as with any system there are always dissentors. I don't know of any specific Muslims that did dissent but of course the Quran talks about hypocrites (who technically aren't Muslim). Anyway....
"Fighting" does not have to be physical, again something which I already mentioned. Fighting can refer to intellectual "fighting", ie what we are doing now. So it really isn't that bad. If you're xtian, did you read bible: Mat 10:34?
Ibn Juzayy says that this verse is "a command to fight the People of the Book" and, in a reference to v. 30, "denying their belief in Allah because of the words of the Jews, 'Uzayr [Ezra] is the son of Allah' and the words of the Christians, 'The Messiah is the son of Allah.'" Muslims must also fight them "because they consider as lawful carrion, blood, pork, etc..they do not enter Islam.". Although it was based on a historical event, it is understood to be a universal command for all muslims.
thats a pretty narrow understanding. "No logical person can convert to this faith..." Is that why it is the fastest growing religion in the world? Don't you have anything better do do than ramble on and preach intolerance?
U despise (u spelled it wrong just like ur wrong about Islam) U despise the Religion of God because U R a follower of devils who hate purity & morality-U made it clear that u love swine & want everyone to masturbate all the time (watching 18 yr old "free" girls get screwed in porno)- So its clear what & who U R serpent kepler-We R not fooled by U-the devil "thinks" he is clever but 2 those endowed w/ guidance from God we see through the dumb lies & traps of U devils-Ur plots dont work here!
Hahahahahaha. You are the guys that allow for Muslim men to rape non-muslim girls, you are the guys who say it ok to have 4 wives, you are the guys who say women should stay indoors, or wear a sheet, you are guys who think heaven is one big orgy...
Really, you are insane! Your prophet raped female slave girls! All I wanted was equal rights for women under the law! Yet I am "serpent Kepler...porno king!"
Would U be correct if U said-America allows ppl like Jeffery Dahmer 2 eat ppl? Well if U R a little smart U will say NO! Just the same Islam & us guys dont"allow for Muslim men to rape non-muslim girls"-But the thing is U know this-U are Devilish serpent porno pervert-like U said & U know that it is only IGNORANT BRAINLESS SO-CALLED MUSLIMS Who R not adhearing 2 the teachings of Islam that commit crimes that Islam as well as other systems of law acknowledge as wrong-The Prophet was Loved by all
really, i would know better how muslim women are to be treated because I AM one. and as for western women who want to be respected for their intelligence and brainies spend HOURS in front of the mirror before leaving the house. And what do you mean the prophet raped female slave girls?????
And why is this campaign necessary? Because most schools will teach Christianity and Judaism in literature and music (Fiddler on the Roof, Sound of Music) and history and geography, but leave Islam off the curricula, and let FoxNews and Hollywood teach America about Islam. Oh, well, haters, your loss. OR, you could learn something true. Because, after all, you deserve to know.
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If the people who are doing this advertisements on our subways had their way we would have Islamic religious police forcing American women to accept Islamic dress. See on youtube now: "Being A Women In Islamic Country Sucks" for the future of American Women if Islam should win the day.
The Quran challenges every human if they think that the Quran is not from God than let them produce a chapter like the quran and call their witness, if you truthful. there are many mircules in the quran which science does not know. like what determine the sex of a baby inside the womb, the quran says the sperm of male determine the sex of a child and science is not a 100% sure. read the quran for your self and try to prove the quran wrong, if you can.
People who are undereducated about different religions and cultures and don't allow their narrow minds to explore the truth are ignorant. And do tell me, how much Islam do you know? Basially all the crap you find on the internet and hear on the news.
I read about it myself in your unholy quran and hadiths. My mind is anything but narrow. I know evil when I see it and you see a lot of evil from muslims. The TRUTH is, islam is a disease on this planet.
LMAO! Sure you've read the quran! all you can do is quote those ayah's from surah Taubah and stuff probably, the ones that most of you flip the meanings of. And what evil do you see in Muslims when perhaps you know none personally? The only Muslims you KNOW are the ones you see on TV
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My wife came from a muslim family. That is what inspired me to learn more about islam. So you should not open your mouth when you know not what you are talking about obviously.
How many Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus do you see blowing themselves up or cutting peoples heads off in the name of their religion? It doesn't take much to figure out islam is evil even without studying it. Pull your head from your ass please.
Taqiyya is lying about your faith when under life threatening circumstances NOT to DECIEVE others. Like when Umar ibn Al-Khattab (RA)'s sister and brother in law accepted islam, they hid their faith from him. Or when the muslims were being tortured, pshh, I'm not in a life threatening circumstance at the moment, so I don't find the need to LIE. And NO, you don't use taqiyya when you're losing an argument.
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Hahahahahaha...Hay "Prince Jihadi" don't hit your wife too hard for being in love with me...western men have that affect of muslimas! Hahahahahahahaha...
i dont know about all western men, but men like you disgust me.
Islam gives women much more respect than you could ever understand. Me covering my head not only protects me but also demands respect and dignity from men.
Respectable men treat me better b/c of my head covering, and look at me as other than an object of sexual desire.
And when do you see Muslim men howling offensively at women on the streets? Women have to do their part and protect themselves but men also have to control themselves
The reason Muslim women have to cover themselves is because Muslim men can't control themselves. Sheikh Taj El-Din Hilaly, for example, compared uncovered women to meat, and said cats had a right to eat the meat. Thus he compared Muslim men to cats! There is a reason western civilization has been so dominate over Islamic civilization in science, engineering, health care, human rights, etc., is because in Western civilization, women have more personal freedoms than in the Islamic world.
It has created competition for men in the work place, and it forces men to compete for a woman's affections. She will choose a winner. This is Darwinian evolution at its best. In Islamic civilization women have no personal freedom, but what little freedom they do have is dictated to them by a medieval law code and the will of men. This creates a society where half the population is prevented from reaching their full potential economically and intellectually.
Respect is in the eye of the beholder. Is it respectful to claim a woman is deficient of mind (Like the aHadith claims, and Islamic law demands)? Is it respectful, like under Islamic law, to give the husband the right to demand sex at any time from his wife and she must give it to him? Is it respectful to treat women as inferior to men in a court of law, like under Islamic law? No siddih they treat you like a little girl, who needs to be protected and kept forever like a slave or child.
Check this story out. Just enter: "women report rape subject to punishment for adultery" into youtube. There you will see how a typical Islamic dominated country handles rape. The victim is always charged and punished. This is an example of Islamic supremacism in which muslims in Islamic countries can rape non-muslims at will...and the victim will be punished! That is Islamic Law! Now don't you get it siddih, muslim men have a right to bang you if you don't wear that head gear outside!
i'm a muslimah and i live in NY =) trust me these people need to know. i was on the train w/ a bookbag next to my legs. they have these announcements on the train that go "all bookbags are subject to random search..." etc etc, referring to terrorist attacks and such. after that, all eyes turned simultaneously to me and then to my bookbag.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." First Amendment - Religion and Expression
Islam cannot accept the 1st. Its goal is to establish Islamic rule on this earth including in the USA, thus Islam is the enemy of the US constitution and that means America.
I want to respond to all these comments, but I'm overwhelmed. It's much easier to ask stupid questions or make stupid accusations then to disprove them.
I should be smart and just say Surah Asr is the answer and that's it.
You lose! I Win! Come on what happend to that Saladin or Khalid ibn al-Walid fighting spirit? I feel like a Polish Winged Hussar rding down some hapless Turks outside the gates of Vienna in 1683. How do you know they are stupid accusations, if you don't even know how to disprove them? You know I could be right. All I ask you to do is just check into it and see for yourself. Just do it. At least it will be a learning experience for you..one way or the other.
I said before Islam and Democracy can't go together. Palestine is a failure because of Islam. One has to dominate the other. In the Islamic world it is Islam, in the west it is Secular Democracy (with a bill of rights). Thus the clash of civilizations! Ataturk was on the right track, but he knew Islam had to be de-clawed and waterdowned for any hope of it existing in a modern world. His dream appears to have been a failure.
You are correct. Democracy, as it is known in the west today (which is basically an oligarchy of the rich and powerful pretending to be a democracy) is incompatible with Islamic ideals.
Palestine was a failure because US policies are more important than the laws of the constitution and the geneva convention.
If Imam Siraj Wahaj is a terrorist, then so am I, so are my nephews and so are 1.8 billion Muslims. But that's what Fox news and bigots like scarlett and kepler are trying to prove.
Once again, you are bigot..you are the ones calling for the segregation of women, removal of democracy, dhimmi (second-class) status for non-muslims, and the end of free speech. How am I the bigot?
MashAllah this looks like a good idea. A similar thing was done in London a while back. There wasn't an uproar on the London one, as there is one being created for this US one.
Its ok for all kinds of trash to be plastered on the walls. But when it comes to raising awareness about Islam, well, its double standards.
"I studied the Koran a great deal...I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad....and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself."
wow like we actually care what he said. Instead of quoting others why dont you take some time out and study the Quran with authentic commentary instead of fox news commentary :P
I have. I have read the Quran, aHadith, and several Siras. The point is njk29 is my opinion of Islam (after studying it) is the same as: Winston Churchill, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, and others. They too came to same conclusions. Islam is religion and political system that oppresses women, is against freedom of speech, and against freedom of religion. This kind of system cannot be allowed to win. I don't watch fox news. For real the Islam check out Jihadwatch!
Islam always gave women the right 2 own property-go 2 school-B scholars & own busniess-N the USA that has just happened N the 1930's-So who oppresses woman? Now U allow women to become Porno stars @ 18-Yeah thats liberation 4 U-The kind liked by all those sick murderes men U named as well as urself-U all may have read the Quran but ur aim in doing so was obviously 2 find fault & not look 4 the Truth n it-On Judgement day U serpent kepler & all ur HEROS will be in the fire wishing u were smarter
No it does not. Muslim women only get half of what a man gets in inheritance (see: Quran 4.11). The testimony of women in court is less than that of a man (see: Muslim: Book 1, Number 142 & Bukhari:Volume 3Book 48 Number 826 ). Women must wear a "sheet" because Muslim men cannot control their sexual needs (See: Qur'an 33:59 & Qur'an 24:31). There are many more.
1- Muslim women get double what men get in about 15 cases , the same in 8 cases , and the half in only 4 cases ( Quran 4.11 )
it is clear to me that you practiced the " copy and paste " profession quite amazingly , without even bothering to read the verse you posted carefully !
2- Muslim women testimony is of less importance when it comes to the men-dominated areas and of much greater importance in the women-dominated fields ex: maternity issues ..
3- muslim women cover up out of modesty ,to be appreciated for whom they are , and be valued for their intellectual prowesses rather than how and what they wear !
have you ever seen virgin mary without a head scarf ?
That is crap. Have you ever seen the Egyptian ad for covering up. In the ad they show two lollipops. One is covered and the other is uncovered. The uncovered one is loaded with flies. The implication is that uncovered women will be raped by muslim men. Just like the like cat and meat story from Sheikh Al-Halili in Australia. I however think it is funny that Muslim men compare themselves to cats and flies, but hey whatever...beast who can't control their sexual urges...
I have judged your faith on much more than that. The Quran, aHadith, and Siras, my point was the ad only reinforced how the the Quran and aHadith views women and men. By forcing muslim women to cover up, you are making muslim men look like they have no control over their sex drive. I as a western man see many beautiful, educated, drop dead sexy women each day, yet I have not turned into a fly or cat and raped them. It is called sexual self control, something Islam does not teach men.
So you think it was a liberating message. Do you think the March 11th fire at a girls school in Mecca was liberating as well. Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress. 15 girls died in the blaze and more than 50 others were injured. The enforced "modesty" of Islam is sham. Invented to keep women as inferiors to men. Would this had happened at a boys school...no.
if I would follow your stupid style of argument I wouldn't finish at all !
here is an example of your style :
if your religion is so good , why then we about many child sexual molestation scandels in the Churches committed by the most rigthous and honorable people ?
if those are your role modes in life , what can we expect from you ? crimes , drugs , pedophilia and so on !
give me a break from this ridiculous argument ,I wasted my time with you !
See you can't seperate Religion from Government. I can. A government should be a secular concept. It keeps religion a personal matter. You don't seem to get it. They were "Islamic police" following "Islamic law". The guy who is poshing the ad campaign on the subway wishes to establish Islamic law in this country as well. So does CAIR. In fact most muslim groups say that is their goal, to see Islamic law become the norm for the world. So your goals are anti-American and anti-western.
You can expect freedom and liberty to choose the life you want for yourself. You don't dictate to other people how to live their life. You set up a constitution with the basic norms that "EVERYBODY" can agree to. A bill of rights that protects everyone equally even minorities. All people are treated equal under the law. etc. Now the US was not perfect at first, but we have worked hard to IMPROVE ourselves. Islam never tries to improve itself, because it thinks it is perfect already!
There will never be"norms"that"EVERYBODY"will agree with- Where do U get these dumb ideas from-There R fools in every walk of life-Those idiots in Arabia that didnt let the girls out R defiantly idiots-The idiots who R now destroying wonderful ideals we once had in America like habeas corpus & privacy rights R idiots too-The constitution is a great set of codes-despite the fact that it isnt a Divine document many of the principals R rooted in Islamic principles-This latest bush is wacking it up!
That is my point. People don't want Islamic law in this county. Any group that stated goal is to replace the constitution by force or by peaceful means, must be resisted and defeated. Islam wants to impose Islamic law in this country. Thus as long as that is apart of doctrine of Islam it will have to be resisted and de-clawed. Islam may be able to live on as a religion, but it must not live on as a governmental system.
Speak 4 urself serpent kepler! U dont want Islamic Law here-most Americans have no idea of the Justice & Divine Truth in Islam- If they knew the benefits-Great Good & cures Islam would bring 2 society they would long 4 it! Unfortunately the wicked men of the west have destroyed Islamic Governing over a hundred yrs ago & have been puppet Governing the Muslim lands since-So we cant see True Islam practiced anywhere-but read History 2 see the amazing peace & beauty True Islam brought 2 the world
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Hahahahahahahaha! Hellooooo Beautiful! Take that burka of and free yourself of Islamic slavery. You husband appears to be a real wanker. A Western man would never make such a mistake...May I suggest you read some books by Hirsi Ali. It is time to be treated like a real woman, and not like a slave...and only a real western man can do that. You are not weak of mind, my lady, so why stay in a religion which says you are...why did Muhammad say the majority of women will go to hell. Free your mind...
BTW I have 2 wake U out of the dream U R living N- When I left a life of slavery 2 my desires & inclinations-I became a slave/servant of God-Allah & was liberated & free of my desires & inclinations 4 wordily pleasure-When we choose "the life" WE/I want 4 myself we R now slaves 2 our selfish desires & we will destroy ourselves in this world as well as destroy our chance @ the heavenly world-Now U have a right 2 disbelieve this-But U wont B able 2 say U didnt know this-U have read it & NOW U KNOW
Simple breakdown of 4.11: Children: Male gets that equal to two daughters. Parents (with children): for each of the two is one-sixth of the inheritance, in case of his having left a child. Parents (no child): if he has left no children and his parents are his only heirs, then for his mother is one-third (33% for the math challanged).
Let us say he left $100 and he has a son and two daughters to make this simple. Both of his parents are well. Thus the father would get $16, the mother would get $16, that leaves $68.00. $34.00 would go to the son, the two daughters would get $17.00 each.
Also you guys allow girls to be married off (and have sex) as early 9 years old. Just like Muhammad did back in the days of old. Also even if a Muslima does get an education she will be living in a segregated land. Thus women would not be allowed to compete with men for important jobs.This is the kind of nightmare you want for America: Child Brides and Segregation of the sexes, in the 21st century! No thanks!
Islam is adaptive 2 times-places & situations-U should know what qiyas is (analogical reasoning) In times-situations & places where we dont find a direct Verse or Hadith dealing w/an issue-we use qiyas-as well as taking into consideration the normal customs of a ppl-that in mind arranged marriages was a common custom of past nations including USA & Euro-So 4 Abu Bakr a Man known 4 great integrity 2 marry off his daughter who was old enough 2 complain if she didnt want 2 marry the Prophet- Pt 1
Rather it is U (serpent kepler) & the likes of U who R really seeking to oppress women's rights 2 wear their hijab & cover their drop dead gorgeous figures cause U want to lust over it (maybe u wont touch or rape but what of those SICKOS who R "PROVOKED" by women who dress "SEXUALLY PROVOCATIVE" (not that its justified-but women should acknowledge the provocation reality) Arranged marriages may not be a thing we "more modern countries prefer. But 60% of the world still dont use telephones. Pt 3
The majority of western women will never accept this. You attempting to oppress women, becuase there are a few sickos in the world? Please that is not a justification to restrict women and what they want to wear or not wear. If we used that logic then we should restrict knives as well, because a few sickos behead people with them. Maybe children should not play outdoors, because a child molester could be out there! We should not go in the woods because wild anaimals might attack!
This is the reason islamic civilization is behind western civilization in science, technology, health care, weapons, and in general. The more free women are, the more competition it means for men in the work place. By allowing women to choose their husbands/boyfriends, it means men must improve their standing in society, improve themselves to gain the affections of a woman. Nothing will motivate a man to improve himself more than a sexy woman. To make himself better to win her approval and love.
9 yr olds can read & talk very well & In her older yrs did Aisha ever speak out against it? Thousands of hadith R related from her-She actually bragged about being the only virgin wife-Saying 2 the Prophet if U had 2 graze ur flock in a land that was ungrazed or 1 that had been grazed in already which would U choose-He said the ungrazed 1-She BRAGGED-Im ur only wife u married as a virgin why go 2 the others-Does that sound like a "little girl" who felt oppressed-Its U who impose on others Pt 2
It alwasy cracks me up at how weak your taqiyya and kitman are. All non-muslims reading this: look up taqiyya, kitman (also known as Islamic deception) plus take a look at Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857. Muslims can and will lie to promote their faith to non-muslims to create an atmosphere of peace, when truth Islam is not peaceful at all. This is allowed in Islam. Thus all the apologist.
I am glad I ammuse you. Either you don't know your own faith because you would respond by proving me wrong, or you know I am right. Either way...I have won. :)
it seem to me quite honsetly that you need a psychiatric intervention very urgently !
you seems to be obcessesd with the " Conspiracy Theories " !
its crystal clear that you are living in an isolated world , and you listen only to mono voices !
i will invite you to visit me in egypt , to engage muslims , to identify their culter , and you will find that all what you belive in is nothing but nasty and deadfull dreams !
don't worry they wouldn' kill you , or treat you as dimmi .. :)
BTW we are looking for an Egyptian named Yaser Said. He appears to have fled back to Egypt after killing his two daughters: Sarah 17, and Amina 18 for dating non-muslims boys in America. He knows he will not be arrested for this crime in Egypt. See "911 call placed by 17 year old Sarah Said" on youtube. In this you will hear her dying words. Islamic nations allow for honor killings because the girls had left the flock and thus turned their backs on Islam. How dare they! Dating non-muslim boys!
Why are you not answering my question about 4.11? I just went over to the website "ask the Imam" and went to their question/answer section. The father died, the Mother, Son and Dauther are the heirs. He said: The deceased's estate will be divided into 24 shares as follows: The wife will receive 3 shares, the son will receive 14 shares and the daughter will receive 7 shares." Bam! Read it weep! Thank You Mufti Ebrahim Desai..you rock! Hahahahahahahaha!
i explained that befor , but you seem not to understand from the first time !
yes , in this particular case , the son will get double the daughter , since his shares will be further shared by the larger family , wheres no one will share the daughter her money at all .
in the same case , if the grandparents are alive , they will get equal shares , the male gets just as the female , and in many other cases counted as more than 15 women gets double the men !
According to Rabbi Dr. Menachem M. Brayer (Professor of Biblical Literature at Yeshiva University) in his book 'The Jewish woman in Rabbinic literature', it was the custom of Jewish women to go out in public with a head covering which, sometimes, even covered the whole face leaving one eye free !
This should not be allowed. Religious posters, especially evil religious cult posters should not be displayed anywhere.
pmoyer50 4 months ago
Mohammed was a pedophile. Your religion is imaginary like all others.
newfagscanttrif0rce 1 year ago
Allah akbar
wafoiaat 2 years ago
which trains are the ads on?
sonic6472002 3 years ago
assalamu aleikum,i will like to know the name of the anasheed is playing background. jazaka alkhair for the effort is masha'llah very nice.
danya121398 3 years ago
talib al habib - iman
sonic6472002 2 years ago
Mashallah..this is a very good project. This will teach the non-muslims about Islam and not base our religion on one group of people.
iacorp786 3 years ago
Yes Insha Allah this is the greatest project even I heard of. May Allah bless this project. ameen, thumma ameen.
magumathe 3 years ago
Subhan Allah
ditao73 3 years ago
That is such a good idea
I would like to do that in my city
purity786 3 years ago
haha tht cant be accurate especially becuz u would need tht data from the masjids who of course dont track tht info down ...and u dont have enuf info to say tht we oppress women and its funny how u say this as u are some expert when in fact u get ur info thru cnn and ur comments reflect tht
the person whom organized this group died in the twin towers let the NYers decide for themselves and dont talk unless u have something smart to asy u uneducated kike
mostafa101 3 years ago
It will be interesting to see how this is received in the same city that lost 3000 people to Islamic terrorists.
I foresee fireworks.
Redshift21 3 years ago
Islamic terrorists is an oxymoron. Muslims died in the terror attacks as well.
njk29 3 years ago
Do you dispute then that the 19 (I believe thats the number) people who flew those planes into the twin towers were muslims ?
For my part I believe the muslim faith and the koran need to undergo a reformation if they are to truly become the religion of peace.
Redshift21 3 years ago
Sorry for the typo, that should have read "Do you dispute then that the 19 people who flew those planes into the twin towers were NOT muslims ?"
Redshift21 3 years ago
They were about as Muslim as Hitler and his army were Christian. Islam is a verb, it means submission to God's will. The laws of Islam are here to protect 5 things: (1) Religion (2) Property (3) Progeny (4) Intellect, and (5) LIFE. Whoever is not in a state of submission (complying with the laws of God) is in a state of rebellion.
MuslimGhost 3 years ago
9/11 was a zionist plot.
saadhasan15 2 years ago
Yeah and Mickey Mouse was on the grassy knoll.
GTFO
Redshift21 2 years ago
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential
persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he
was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the
religious and secular levels. (M H. Hart, The 100: A Ranking of the Most
Influential Persons in History, New York, 1978, pp. 33)
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
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kuranissatansshit 3 years ago
what can we do to help? we should do something like this in canada!
muslimgurl 3 years ago
OOPS! Did it again-Responded in my wife's user name-She thinks kepler works for the FBI- I think she is right! But serpent kepler is still stupid & foolish 2 me-He makes believe good is evil & evil is good-ppl R free when they R slaves 2 their desires which destroy them & society-enslaved 2 ideas & things they cant break free from even if they wanted to stop or get away from-ie-slaves 2 sex-drugs-gambling-fashion-alcohol-over eating-Then when 1 wants 2 B free by being a slave of God he fights it
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
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The FBI! That Dhimmi operation! Not in a million years! Look "Prince of Thieves" Islam is slavery of the mind to a dead Arabian warlord. No real god would need silly mortals fighting its battles for it. Most muslims are decadent as hell. You should see the crazy stuff muslims do. Just look on youtube! Beheadings, killing children, having boys gyrate around like girls (Saudi Arabia) becuase all the women are locked up, kidnapping girls and raping them and forcing them into Islam (Pakistan/Egypt)
kepler1000 3 years ago
Americans are wonderful people they deserve to know Islam, the evil Zionist media brainwash them on a daily basis to hate Islam and Muslims. Convey the message of Islam to them and let them accept it or reject it. We have done our job.
AdorIslam 3 years ago
Muslims can lie: (1) to a woman, (2) to promote peace with non-muslims (to make non-muslims think Islam is peaceful, when it is not, like this ad campaign!), and in war (many muslims think they are at "war" with the west so it is ok to lie to promote to defend the faith).
kepler1000 3 years ago
kepler1000
Muslims can lie: (1) to a woman, (2) to promote peace with non-muslims
We are at war with the West because of Israel and the Zionists but why should the Muslims lie to defend the faith? Can you show us where does it say Muslim can lie? Perhaps you are talking about Christianity the biggest lie ever. You have been brain washed Orientalists like William Muir. Seek knowledge on your own, learn Islam from Islamic scholars not even try to learn Islam from ignorant Muslims.
AdorIslam 3 years ago
See Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857 for proof. So it is permmited in the aHadith and thus in Islam. So lying is allowed in Islam. It is done on a regular basis to promote ease for non-muslims in the west. The truth is Islam is not peaceful at all.
kepler1000 3 years ago
See Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see
kepler1000
also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857 for proof. So it is permmited in the aHadith and thus in Islam. So lying is allowed in Islam.
OK why don't you post the Hadith here so that we can discuss about that. What does the Qur'an say, if you find anything to support that then the Hadith is rejected. Anyway you post the Hadith here not the pages and numbers. Which Zionist site do you pick these thing up, careful you are their slaves.
AdorIslam 3 years ago
This is a clear evidence & Proof serpent kepler is a lying devil w/ intent 2 decieve & mislead-This is a copy & paste of 1 of this serpents comments- serpent kepler1000 (1 week ago) Sunan al-Tirmidhi: "Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying in times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people- Not what he posted later-The USA called a criminal act on the towers an act of war and a prelude 2 invade & pilage the Muslims- U Lier
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
It says what it says! Islam allows lying to protect the faith. Thus why muslims (like you) hide things like the death penalty for leaving Islam. So if a Muslim girl decides Islam is not for her and leaves...she will be killed, or at least your Muslim brothers will try.
kepler1000 3 years ago
killed by who?? this is the case? you guys think that there is islamic police that follow people and ask about thier religion and then kills whoever they want? there is no islamic state nowadays. back then 1500 years ago everything was different, and even though the death penalty is there, there is no islamic law to justify it.
mohkat1 3 years ago
U R a roof of the statement the devil is a lier-The True Religion must be reserved/protected at all costs-& the primary focus of the religion is teaching uprightness & being straight in the path of life-& it is real & practical- so if some1 comes to harm ur brother who has just ran-& they ask u which way did he go?-U R correct in lying to them 2 protect ur family. That is practical & real & only devils & those who want 2 cause harm have a problem w/this-hence serpent kepler has a problem-ALLAH!
UmmTakTata83 3 years ago
I am back! Took a little time off this vid to debate more intelligent muslims about how crappy their religion is. The object of Islam is conquer the world, to replace our constitiution with islamic law. That is what these guys would do if they ever win.
kepler1000 3 years ago
Being against islam isn't about hate or racism. It's about choosing right from wrong.
FACTS:
-Mohammed married a 6 year old child. That makes him a pedophile and rapeist.
-Mohammed raided and looted Arab caravans, killing the boys and men, and taking the women & girls as slaves. That makes him a murderer and thief.
-Mohammed said that God told him to do these things. That makes him a liar & false prophet.
Do not be fooled. Islam is not a religion of peace.
gnrlusr8 3 years ago
I don't see anything wrong with this, the ads were reviewed and approved by officials and it's not supporting extremism or terrorism regardless of who's sponsoring it. If I get Christians and Jews and Bhuddist's ringing by doorbell to preach their religion I think subway ad's are perfectly fine. Go learn if you want to or ignore it, your choice.
ManalH1 3 years ago
This is great.
The best part is neo-conservative rightwingers dont like it, that means its effective.
wuttup123 3 years ago
Supporters of that radical Imam like you are practically spitting in the faces of the families of 9/11 victims.
StoogeWatcher 3 years ago
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romanali1 3 years ago
Really great project!
Alhamdulillah us Muslims are waking up!!
I hope to see more of this kinda thing :)
AwazS 3 years ago
Islam = Slavery. West = Freedom. It is really that simple. I dispise Islam, but I ask all those who are unsure about islam, to read Sura 8 and 9 in the Quran, learn about islam on your own, not from some muslim apologist. I trust any freedom loving sole will see the truth, that islam is dangerous to our freedoms. Islam is a faith invented by a warlord in Arabia, who killed and slaughtered his way to the top. No logical person can convert to this faith...
kepler1000 3 years ago
Islam is dangerous to the "freedoms" to be immoral. Really though, nobody chooses to be immoral unless they are enslaved, e.g. slaves to hunger, greed, wanton consumerism in the face of starving brothers and sisters across the globe, etc. Ask any drug addict whether (s)he approves of the "freedom" which led to his/her destruction.
Islam promotes the freedoms which encourage morality. Non-Muslims have nothing to fear from Islam if they do not attack it. Nobody is compelled to become Muslim.
romanali1 3 years ago
Yes you are compelled...read Quran 9.29.
kepler1000 3 years ago
I have read entire Quran, so quoting to me a verse here and there won't make me change my position.
re: Quran 9:29
Please read some history and context before you comment. Even if you do not, a careful analysis of the verse shows that it does not impose compulsion of religion.
The verse essentially tells Muslims to fight back against specific non-Muslims, i.e. "people of the book" until they pay jizya, meaning until they accept the authority of the Muslim state. The context follows....
romanali1 3 years ago
Notice it does not say to fight ALL non-Muslims. It says "people of the book", and from a rational perspective one would expect the pagans to be more deserving of Muslim compulsion/agression than the people of the book, had that been the way of God.
So God targeting Christians and Jews who already believe in Him (even if not necessarily correctly or fully according to Islam) is still apparently a strange choice of victim when there are many pagans available to target. The reasons include...
romanali1 3 years ago
Well it says, fight them until they pay jizya. Jizya can only be demanded by the Muslim state in power.
This means, it applies only when (the Muslims are in power AND when the people of the book do not pay the jizya), ie when they rebel against the Muslim state, which is essentially an act of war - undermining the establishment.
Notice it doesn't say "fight until they convert", nor does it say "fight because Islam is about violence". Instead it says to fight until they accept the...
romanali1 3 years ago
authority of the state. It's like how natives say: "when they come here they should follow our rules", even though many of don't "come" because we are born here and we already follow the rules, probably moreso than many of the natives. Anyway, I digress. Islam has the same idea, laws of the land should be obeyed by ALL, but Muslims have exceptional leave to disobey if they are compelled to be unIslamic, e.g. if the law made it compulsory for everyone to go drinking or clubbing, etc. Unlikely :-)
romanali1 3 years ago
So Quran 9:29 is referring to a specific period in history when the Muslims were in power in Madinah(m), and those instructions are contextualised for that scenario. They are not invalid now in the sense that, should that scenario be the reality again, we have the permission to quash rebellion, but since there is not a Muslim state currently demanding jizya from rebels within the people of the book, it is something we can accept but for what it really is. It may apply to pagans too, but ...
romanali1 3 years ago
a scholarly fatwa (ie opinion) is needed on that. It mentions people of book and not pagans purely because they are the ones who were rebelling against the state in Madinah, after having welcomed prophet Muhammad and Muslims as leader and brothers.
Not all people of the book rebelled and the verse doesn't instruct that they should be fought.
Jizya is not "punishment". Muslims paid zakat and non-Muslims should contribute to society too in a Muslim state. I pay my taxes in the UK. In fact...
romanali1 3 years ago
the amount of jizya to be paid by non-Muslims was LESS than the amount of zakat Muslims had to pay.
Also, it was only payable by adult males only (ie those who would traditionally work), not by women and children.
Paying this "tax", which I repeat was less than what Muslims paid in zakat, also guaranteed protection under the state, sort of like "human rights".
If that isn't an advanced and fair society, I don't know what is. In fact it can actually be seen as unfair towards Muslims.
romanali1 3 years ago
So is Islam about compulsion? You quoted to me a verse which apparently supported your false claim (which I have now refuted), so let me quote to you...
Quran:
2:256, 16:82, 6:107, 4:79-80, 11:28, 17:53-54, 21:107-109, 22:67, 88:21-22, 48:28, 36:16-17, 39:41, 42:6, 42:48, 64:12, 67:25-26, 60:8-9, and surah 109, etc
This is the end of the discussion. Goodbye and peace be upon you.
romanali1 3 years ago
I will respond in two parts...(Part 1) You have never heard of the Islamic concept of "abrogation" or "Naskh" have you? This means some Quranic verses are trumped by other Quranic verses. Thus: 2.256, 2.62, and 5.69 are trumped 3.85-6 and 9.73. As a general rule the late revealed verses trump the early revealed verses (if there is conflict between them). Remember the Quran is not in chronological order in terms of when Muhammad received them.
kepler1000 3 years ago
Thus Surah 9 is a very important because it was one of the last he received (still debated if it was the very last one). Here are a few others on Tolerance: 8.59, 66.9, 9.66, 9.113, 8.12, 8.13, 8.39, etc. However, 9.29 is very important. Based on some commentary etc., it is almost the complete finial word on Islamic views of tolerance and Jihad.
kepler1000 3 years ago
Nonsense! As-Sawi specifies that the payment of the jizya signifies that the non-Muslims are "humble and obedient to the judgements of Islam.". I call that subjugation of free will! Paying a Tax, feeling "subdued", which means people of the book have to accept a second class status if Islam ran things in the USA. That was my point so non-muslims reading this can understand what Islam is about.
kepler1000 3 years ago
More on the Dhimmi and poll tax non-muslims must accept (see 9.29 in the Quran) once Islam dominates: Ibn Kathir says that the dhimmis must be "disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated."
kepler1000 3 years ago
All my original comments were about Quran 9:29 (in response to you referring me to it), so you now referring me to the same verse for the same allegation (which I already refuted) is strange.
Anyway, I have heard of abrogation. I don't know it's definition well enough to say I agree or disagree, but I can say this:
I know the Quran isn't in chronological order (I am a Muslims remember - I have read it), and I know some verses are universally applicable and some are applicable only in...
romanali1 3 years ago
certain contexts, such as 9:29 which I showed you from the verse itself that it says in clear language to fight non-Jizya paying people of the book, which of course can only be a reality if the Jews/Christians were rebelling against the Muslim state (by not paying Jizya), and of course Jizya can only be demanded by Muslims if they are in government. This is not the reality now anywhere, so the term is valid but not applicable right now. It will be applicable should that reality arise ...
romanali1 3 years ago
In fact, it specifically says "people of the book" and not "everyone" (which is what one would expect, or at least we would expect pagans in preference to Jews/Xtians) because it refers to a specific historical situation.
I have read the other verses and this is not the forum to engage in such length debates, and I am not a scholar either.
In short, I believe that if you can misunderstand 9:29, you can misunderstand other verses. The language of 9:29 is very clear, and no hadith or...
romanali1 3 years ago
commentary is more authoritative than the Quran itself.
You should refer to them to understand the context and get a scholarly opinion, but if the language is clear and if the commentary adds conflict to understanding, then the clear understanding of the Quran should be taken, but you have to be very careful that you are accurate in your methodology of analysing the verse. Look at each component of the verse and see how it relates to the remainder of the verse; don't generalise.
romanali1 3 years ago
9:29 clearly says fight them until they pay jizya, not until they convert. So if you read otherwise elsewhere, then that's inaccurate.
The things you mention about fighting to abolish haram practice, well that is not explicitly said in this verse. So you are reading too much into it. Of course Muslims should struggle to establish Islam, but this isn't done by physical force, but rather by intellectual force. That's part of the jihad (struggle), ie to spread Islam intellectually and...
romanali1 3 years ago
defending Islam physically ONLY IF it is attacked physically, without transgressing limits of reasonable self-defense, and opting for peaceful and humane solutions wherever possible.
Jizya DOES signify subjugation in the sense that the jizya payers have to accept the authority of the state. Just like you are now subjugated by your own government and you accept its authority over you; you pay your taxes etc. So what?! We don't live in anarchic system and Quran doesnt promote anarchy either.
romanali1 3 years ago
Accepting the authority of the state is humbling, but it doesn't necessarily mean opression by the state, nor does it imply being 2nd class citizens. You need to learn to see things for what they are, without adding extra.
You forget that the Muslims were also subjugated by the state too. Governments cannot function if the people believe they are above the law.
Not honouring the dhimma and not giving them high rank in a Muslim govt is to be expected. I don't have a problem with that...
romanali1 3 years ago
Islam is not a new-age hippy cult where anything goes. Islam seeks to preserve itself. If it means it can only ensure its preservation by not giving those that threaten it the power to excercise their potential threat, it's reasonable to prevent that from happening.
I don't think that the USA would hire an Al-Qaeda member in their govt, do you? It's the same idea, and really you can't disagree with it.
You are because you are on the "other side", but that's to be expected too.
Goodbye.
romanali1 3 years ago
Oh btw, I want to stress this, because you will say it if I don't stress it now...
"not honouring" isn't the same as "opression" or "2nd class". It's more like being "indifferent". Muslims weren't told to "punish" or hurt the dhimma. They were told to treat them with kindness. Paying Jizya gave them rights under the state, quid pro quo, and it was actually LESS than zakat which only Muslims paid. The verse is about quashing rebellion, not about spreading Islam.
Just had to repeat. Bye
romanali1 3 years ago
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According to As-Sawi, Ibn Juzayy, etc. this verse (9.29) was "this ayat was revealed when the Messenger of Allah was commanded to fight the Byzantines. When it was sent down, the Messenger of Allah prepared for the expedition to Tabuk.". That means offensive warfare. It is not confined to an Islamic state, but for the entire world.
kepler1000 3 years ago
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You have not refuted anything! I am giving you Islamic based references and you give me nothing! Just you half-baked opinion! Ibn Juzayy says good muslims must fight Christians and Jews (not just in an Islamic state, everywhere on this earth!) because they consider as lawful carrion, blood, pork, etc." and because "they do not enter Islam.". He says that "scholars agree about accepting jizya [a religious-based poll tax] from the Jews and Christians,". This he says is a sign of their submission.
kepler1000 3 years ago
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Also, Have a look at what Ibn Ishaq (Mo 1st Bio) said about 9.29. Islamic warfare comes in three stages: first, tolerance; then, defensive warfare; and finally, offensive warfare in order to convert the unbelievers to Islam or make them pay the jizya. This is confirmed by Ibn Kathir, Ibn Juzayy, As-Suyuti. Also by people like Sayyid Qutb, Syed Abul Ala Maududi, S. K. Malik, and Saudi Chief Justice Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid support my view of it. There are many more! So who do have
kepler1000 3 years ago
You are not arguing with the historical scholars you refer to, you are arguing with me! You say I am just giving my half-baked opinion... well isn't that the purpose of this forum, to exchange ideas? Intelligent people form opinions from scholarly sources. My ultimate authority is the Quran itself. Scholars help clarify, but this verse seems fairly clear to me personally.
However, I have already given my opinion twice now, this is the third time, and your insistence of pursuing this ...
romanali1 3 years ago 2
indicates that you yourself are trying to compel me to accept your understanding of the verse. There is no need. I gave my view, and I am a Muslim. Take it or leave it. At least know that not every Muslim (in fact most) do not interpret the verse as you do, so this proves there are alternative understandings of the verse (ie the correct understanding according to us).
You know what they say, "robbers are the only ones who worry about police". It just shows the mentality of the reader. ...
romanali1 3 years ago
I already said earlier, I agree with the scholars about accepting jizya ("poll tax" accprding to you), and I explained why. The Muslims already pay zakat to contribute to society. So it's only fair that the non-Muslims contribute too in some capacity. I also said that it jizya was only payable by those earning (adult men in those days), it gave protection, ie "human rights" under the law, because in those days there was no "police force" this was a major advance brought by Islam, AND jizya ...
romanali1 3 years ago
amount to be paid was LESS than what the Muslims paid in zakat. It had to be split along religious lines because if the condition was something else, it could be that some Muslims end up paying zakat AND jizya, and it could be that some non-Muslims end up paying nothing. After all zakat is compulsory on ALL adult Muslims.
So I agree with jizya to be paid, and I explained too that it can only occur if there is an Islamic state, because let's face it, non-Muslims aren't exactly going to ...
romanali1 3 years ago
pay anything to the Muslims unless the Muslims are in power, even if the assurance is given that the money is to be used for the benefit of the society, eg helping to feed/clothe/provide shelter to the poor.
I also said that I agree that paying jizya is about feeling subdued, in the sense that one has to recognise the authority of the power demanding the jizya. This does not mean being 2nd class or inferior. Muslims also recognised the power of the Islamic govt, so they too were "subdued"...
romanali1 3 years ago
- just a bit more willingly that's all, though as with any system there are always dissentors. I don't know of any specific Muslims that did dissent but of course the Quran talks about hypocrites (who technically aren't Muslim). Anyway....
"Fighting" does not have to be physical, again something which I already mentioned. Fighting can refer to intellectual "fighting", ie what we are doing now. So it really isn't that bad. If you're xtian, did you read bible: Mat 10:34?
Goodbye final time.
romanali1 3 years ago
Ibn Juzayy says that this verse is "a command to fight the People of the Book" and, in a reference to v. 30, "denying their belief in Allah because of the words of the Jews, 'Uzayr [Ezra] is the son of Allah' and the words of the Christians, 'The Messiah is the son of Allah.'" Muslims must also fight them "because they consider as lawful carrion, blood, pork, etc..they do not enter Islam.". Although it was based on a historical event, it is understood to be a universal command for all muslims.
kepler1000 3 years ago
thats a pretty narrow understanding. "No logical person can convert to this faith..." Is that why it is the fastest growing religion in the world? Don't you have anything better do do than ramble on and preach intolerance?
njk29 3 years ago
taqiyya...all non-muslims need to learn this word!
kepler1000 3 years ago
and YOU need to learn what it is as well...
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago
U despise (u spelled it wrong just like ur wrong about Islam) U despise the Religion of God because U R a follower of devils who hate purity & morality-U made it clear that u love swine & want everyone to masturbate all the time (watching 18 yr old "free" girls get screwed in porno)- So its clear what & who U R serpent kepler-We R not fooled by U-the devil "thinks" he is clever but 2 those endowed w/ guidance from God we see through the dumb lies & traps of U devils-Ur plots dont work here!
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago 2
Hahahahahaha. You are the guys that allow for Muslim men to rape non-muslim girls, you are the guys who say it ok to have 4 wives, you are the guys who say women should stay indoors, or wear a sheet, you are guys who think heaven is one big orgy...
Really, you are insane! Your prophet raped female slave girls! All I wanted was equal rights for women under the law! Yet I am "serpent Kepler...porno king!"
kepler1000 3 years ago
Would U be correct if U said-America allows ppl like Jeffery Dahmer 2 eat ppl? Well if U R a little smart U will say NO! Just the same Islam & us guys dont"allow for Muslim men to rape non-muslim girls"-But the thing is U know this-U are Devilish serpent porno pervert-like U said & U know that it is only IGNORANT BRAINLESS SO-CALLED MUSLIMS Who R not adhearing 2 the teachings of Islam that commit crimes that Islam as well as other systems of law acknowledge as wrong-The Prophet was Loved by all
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago 4
@PrinceofTruth: Evil loves evil.
pmoyer50 4 months ago
really, i would know better how muslim women are to be treated because I AM one. and as for western women who want to be respected for their intelligence and brainies spend HOURS in front of the mirror before leaving the house. And what do you mean the prophet raped female slave girls?????
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago
masha'ALLAH this is an excellent project
shaykha 3 years ago 3
Islamophobia |isˌläməˈfōbēə; iz-| noun
•an extreme and irrational hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims, especially when feared as a political force.
Its a disease that maybe those who have it should seek help. Become Muslim to be CURED.
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
And why is this campaign necessary? Because most schools will teach Christianity and Judaism in literature and music (Fiddler on the Roof, Sound of Music) and history and geography, but leave Islam off the curricula, and let FoxNews and Hollywood teach America about Islam. Oh, well, haters, your loss. OR, you could learn something true. Because, after all, you deserve to know.
seef0 3 years ago 3
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If the people who are doing this advertisements on our subways had their way we would have Islamic religious police forcing American women to accept Islamic dress. See on youtube now: "Being A Women In Islamic Country Sucks" for the future of American Women if Islam should win the day.
kepler1000 3 years ago
May Allah reward the team behind this campaign. This is a great idea Masha Allah.
and bonus free publicity on national tv compliment of fox :)
mounir1426 3 years ago 6
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I know, and i hate it.
beatupjunk 3 years ago
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Mohammed was a pedophile.
Islam is a disease.
ramcdaniel1 3 years ago
Sigh... people are so ignorant.
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago 2
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Yea, and those people are called muslims. Ignorant to the foulness of the disgusting evil cult called islam.
ramcdaniel1 3 years ago
Islam is not a cult. Get a new line :P
njk29 3 years ago 3
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Your right. It's a dog shit evil religion. It has nothing positive to contribute to humanity. Also what I like to refer to as a cult. :D
ramcdaniel1 3 years ago
"Nothing positive to contribute to humanity."
You are seriously ignorant!
Go study Islam! You too deserve to know!
Nazihah06 3 years ago
The Quran challenges every human if they think that the Quran is not from God than let them produce a chapter like the quran and call their witness, if you truthful. there are many mircules in the quran which science does not know. like what determine the sex of a baby inside the womb, the quran says the sperm of male determine the sex of a child and science is not a 100% sure. read the quran for your self and try to prove the quran wrong, if you can.
thepeacemaker786 3 years ago 3
People who are undereducated about different religions and cultures and don't allow their narrow minds to explore the truth are ignorant. And do tell me, how much Islam do you know? Basially all the crap you find on the internet and hear on the news.
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago 2
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I read about it myself in your unholy quran and hadiths. My mind is anything but narrow. I know evil when I see it and you see a lot of evil from muslims. The TRUTH is, islam is a disease on this planet.
ramcdaniel1 3 years ago
LMAO! Sure you've read the quran! all you can do is quote those ayah's from surah Taubah and stuff probably, the ones that most of you flip the meanings of. And what evil do you see in Muslims when perhaps you know none personally? The only Muslims you KNOW are the ones you see on TV
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago
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My wife came from a muslim family. That is what inspired me to learn more about islam. So you should not open your mouth when you know not what you are talking about obviously.
How many Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus do you see blowing themselves up or cutting peoples heads off in the name of their religion? It doesn't take much to figure out islam is evil even without studying it. Pull your head from your ass please.
ramcdaniel1 3 years ago
Ok well if that's the case, then I'm sorry.
Can you PLEASE clarify what makes Islam so EVIL????????????
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago
taqiyya...Muslim lie folks...always remember muslims will lie to non-muslims when they feel like they are losing an argument to protect their faith.
kepler1000 3 years ago
Taqiyya is lying about your faith when under life threatening circumstances NOT to DECIEVE others. Like when Umar ibn Al-Khattab (RA)'s sister and brother in law accepted islam, they hid their faith from him. Or when the muslims were being tortured, pshh, I'm not in a life threatening circumstance at the moment, so I don't find the need to LIE. And NO, you don't use taqiyya when you're losing an argument.
YouniqueYouth 3 years ago
OOPS! I commented under my wife's user name.
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
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Hahahahahaha...Hay "Prince Jihadi" don't hit your wife too hard for being in love with me...western men have that affect of muslimas! Hahahahahahahaha...
kepler1000 3 years ago
i dont know about all western men, but men like you disgust me.
Islam gives women much more respect than you could ever understand. Me covering my head not only protects me but also demands respect and dignity from men.
Respectable men treat me better b/c of my head covering, and look at me as other than an object of sexual desire.
And when do you see Muslim men howling offensively at women on the streets? Women have to do their part and protect themselves but men also have to control themselves
siddih 3 years ago 2
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The reason Muslim women have to cover themselves is because Muslim men can't control themselves. Sheikh Taj El-Din Hilaly, for example, compared uncovered women to meat, and said cats had a right to eat the meat. Thus he compared Muslim men to cats! There is a reason western civilization has been so dominate over Islamic civilization in science, engineering, health care, human rights, etc., is because in Western civilization, women have more personal freedoms than in the Islamic world.
kepler1000 3 years ago
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It has created competition for men in the work place, and it forces men to compete for a woman's affections. She will choose a winner. This is Darwinian evolution at its best. In Islamic civilization women have no personal freedom, but what little freedom they do have is dictated to them by a medieval law code and the will of men. This creates a society where half the population is prevented from reaching their full potential economically and intellectually.
kepler1000 3 years ago
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Respect is in the eye of the beholder. Is it respectful to claim a woman is deficient of mind (Like the aHadith claims, and Islamic law demands)? Is it respectful, like under Islamic law, to give the husband the right to demand sex at any time from his wife and she must give it to him? Is it respectful to treat women as inferior to men in a court of law, like under Islamic law? No siddih they treat you like a little girl, who needs to be protected and kept forever like a slave or child.
kepler1000 3 years ago
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Check this story out. Just enter: "women report rape subject to punishment for adultery" into youtube. There you will see how a typical Islamic dominated country handles rape. The victim is always charged and punished. This is an example of Islamic supremacism in which muslims in Islamic countries can rape non-muslims at will...and the victim will be punished! That is Islamic Law! Now don't you get it siddih, muslim men have a right to bang you if you don't wear that head gear outside!
kepler1000 3 years ago
i attend the masjid that the imam sirjah and been going there 20yrs and yes you should be able to voice your opion on relgion
muslimahjihad003 3 years ago 6
i'm a muslimah and i live in NY =) trust me these people need to know. i was on the train w/ a bookbag next to my legs. they have these announcements on the train that go "all bookbags are subject to random search..." etc etc, referring to terrorist attacks and such. after that, all eyes turned simultaneously to me and then to my bookbag.
how can i help?
Striving051 3 years ago 2
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." First Amendment - Religion and Expression
Islam cannot accept the 1st. Its goal is to establish Islamic rule on this earth including in the USA, thus Islam is the enemy of the US constitution and that means America.
kepler1000 3 years ago
I want to respond to all these comments, but I'm overwhelmed. It's much easier to ask stupid questions or make stupid accusations then to disprove them.
I should be smart and just say Surah Asr is the answer and that's it.
extempers 3 years ago
You lose! I Win! Come on what happend to that Saladin or Khalid ibn al-Walid fighting spirit? I feel like a Polish Winged Hussar rding down some hapless Turks outside the gates of Vienna in 1683. How do you know they are stupid accusations, if you don't even know how to disprove them? You know I could be right. All I ask you to do is just check into it and see for yourself. Just do it. At least it will be a learning experience for you..one way or the other.
kepler1000 3 years ago
OMG I CAN'T RESPOND TO ALL THESE COMMENTS, STOP TALKING SO I CAN RESPOND!
And if you want democracy, you got in Palestine.
extempers 3 years ago
I said before Islam and Democracy can't go together. Palestine is a failure because of Islam. One has to dominate the other. In the Islamic world it is Islam, in the west it is Secular Democracy (with a bill of rights). Thus the clash of civilizations! Ataturk was on the right track, but he knew Islam had to be de-clawed and waterdowned for any hope of it existing in a modern world. His dream appears to have been a failure.
kepler1000 3 years ago
You are correct. Democracy, as it is known in the west today (which is basically an oligarchy of the rich and powerful pretending to be a democracy) is incompatible with Islamic ideals.
Palestine was a failure because US policies are more important than the laws of the constitution and the geneva convention.
Ataruk got nothing right.
extempers 3 years ago
SalaamAlaikum, SUBHANALLAH, JAZAKALLAH KHAIR.
spiritlite 3 years ago
If Imam Siraj Wahaj is a terrorist, then so am I, so are my nephews and so are 1.8 billion Muslims. But that's what Fox news and bigots like scarlett and kepler are trying to prove.
All I have to say is: BRING IT!
extempers 3 years ago
Once again, you are bigot..you are the ones calling for the segregation of women, removal of democracy, dhimmi (second-class) status for non-muslims, and the end of free speech. How am I the bigot?
kepler1000 3 years ago
Masha'Allah, great campaign!!!
bintAshfaq 3 years ago
Kelper:
Your a bigot. I love what the Muslims have done for my community and wish this campaign well.
waxmastergrill 3 years ago 2
Bigot? The only bigot is you! How is the pogram against the copts going?
kepler1000 3 years ago
MashAllah this looks like a good idea. A similar thing was done in London a while back. There wasn't an uproar on the London one, as there is one being created for this US one.
Its ok for all kinds of trash to be plastered on the walls. But when it comes to raising awareness about Islam, well, its double standards.
templife 3 years ago
Alexis de Tocqueville on Islam
"I studied the Koran a great deal...I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad....and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself."
kepler1000 3 years ago
wow like we actually care what he said. Instead of quoting others why dont you take some time out and study the Quran with authentic commentary instead of fox news commentary :P
njk29 3 years ago
I have. I have read the Quran, aHadith, and several Siras. The point is njk29 is my opinion of Islam (after studying it) is the same as: Winston Churchill, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, and others. They too came to same conclusions. Islam is religion and political system that oppresses women, is against freedom of speech, and against freedom of religion. This kind of system cannot be allowed to win. I don't watch fox news. For real the Islam check out Jihadwatch!
kepler1000 3 years ago
Islam always gave women the right 2 own property-go 2 school-B scholars & own busniess-N the USA that has just happened N the 1930's-So who oppresses woman? Now U allow women to become Porno stars @ 18-Yeah thats liberation 4 U-The kind liked by all those sick murderes men U named as well as urself-U all may have read the Quran but ur aim in doing so was obviously 2 find fault & not look 4 the Truth n it-On Judgement day U serpent kepler & all ur HEROS will be in the fire wishing u were smarter
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
No it does not. Muslim women only get half of what a man gets in inheritance (see: Quran 4.11). The testimony of women in court is less than that of a man (see: Muslim: Book 1, Number 142 & Bukhari:Volume 3Book 48 Number 826 ). Women must wear a "sheet" because Muslim men cannot control their sexual needs (See: Qur'an 33:59 & Qur'an 24:31). There are many more.
kepler1000 3 years ago
thats false .
1- Muslim women get double what men get in about 15 cases , the same in 8 cases , and the half in only 4 cases ( Quran 4.11 )
it is clear to me that you practiced the " copy and paste " profession quite amazingly , without even bothering to read the verse you posted carefully !
2- Muslim women testimony is of less importance when it comes to the men-dominated areas and of much greater importance in the women-dominated fields ex: maternity issues ..
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
3- muslim women cover up out of modesty ,to be appreciated for whom they are , and be valued for their intellectual prowesses rather than how and what they wear !
have you ever seen virgin mary without a head scarf ?
fitnaresponses 3 years ago 2
That is crap. Have you ever seen the Egyptian ad for covering up. In the ad they show two lollipops. One is covered and the other is uncovered. The uncovered one is loaded with flies. The implication is that uncovered women will be raped by muslim men. Just like the like cat and meat story from Sheikh Al-Halili in Australia. I however think it is funny that Muslim men compare themselves to cats and flies, but hey whatever...beast who can't control their sexual urges...
kepler1000 3 years ago
haha , are you judging an entire faith on a commercial ad !
havn't i told you to stop making fun of yourself !
i am afraid you need to evaluate your IQ as soon as possible !
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
I have judged your faith on much more than that. The Quran, aHadith, and Siras, my point was the ad only reinforced how the the Quran and aHadith views women and men. By forcing muslim women to cover up, you are making muslim men look like they have no control over their sex drive. I as a western man see many beautiful, educated, drop dead sexy women each day, yet I have not turned into a fly or cat and raped them. It is called sexual self control, something Islam does not teach men.
kepler1000 3 years ago
there is something you should learn called " intellectuality " , something you wouldn't approach in the forseeable future I am afraid !
you are constantly making silly points , and stupid arguments which reflect your absolute ignorance about Islam and Islamic countries !
i have mentioned to you befor that women cover up out of modesty just like the men do , and that "hijab" is a revolutionary and liberating message !
have you ever seen virgin mary without a head scarf ?
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
So you think it was a liberating message. Do you think the March 11th fire at a girls school in Mecca was liberating as well. Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress. 15 girls died in the blaze and more than 50 others were injured. The enforced "modesty" of Islam is sham. Invented to keep women as inferiors to men. Would this had happened at a boys school...no.
kepler1000 3 years ago
oh , god , what an idiot !
if I would follow your stupid style of argument I wouldn't finish at all !
here is an example of your style :
if your religion is so good , why then we about many child sexual molestation scandels in the Churches committed by the most rigthous and honorable people ?
if those are your role modes in life , what can we expect from you ? crimes , drugs , pedophilia and so on !
give me a break from this ridiculous argument ,I wasted my time with you !
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
See you can't seperate Religion from Government. I can. A government should be a secular concept. It keeps religion a personal matter. You don't seem to get it. They were "Islamic police" following "Islamic law". The guy who is poshing the ad campaign on the subway wishes to establish Islamic law in this country as well. So does CAIR. In fact most muslim groups say that is their goal, to see Islamic law become the norm for the world. So your goals are anti-American and anti-western.
kepler1000 3 years ago
You can expect freedom and liberty to choose the life you want for yourself. You don't dictate to other people how to live their life. You set up a constitution with the basic norms that "EVERYBODY" can agree to. A bill of rights that protects everyone equally even minorities. All people are treated equal under the law. etc. Now the US was not perfect at first, but we have worked hard to IMPROVE ourselves. Islam never tries to improve itself, because it thinks it is perfect already!
kepler1000 3 years ago
There will never be"norms"that"EVERYBODY"will agree with- Where do U get these dumb ideas from-There R fools in every walk of life-Those idiots in Arabia that didnt let the girls out R defiantly idiots-The idiots who R now destroying wonderful ideals we once had in America like habeas corpus & privacy rights R idiots too-The constitution is a great set of codes-despite the fact that it isnt a Divine document many of the principals R rooted in Islamic principles-This latest bush is wacking it up!
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
That is my point. People don't want Islamic law in this county. Any group that stated goal is to replace the constitution by force or by peaceful means, must be resisted and defeated. Islam wants to impose Islamic law in this country. Thus as long as that is apart of doctrine of Islam it will have to be resisted and de-clawed. Islam may be able to live on as a religion, but it must not live on as a governmental system.
kepler1000 3 years ago
Speak 4 urself serpent kepler! U dont want Islamic Law here-most Americans have no idea of the Justice & Divine Truth in Islam- If they knew the benefits-Great Good & cures Islam would bring 2 society they would long 4 it! Unfortunately the wicked men of the west have destroyed Islamic Governing over a hundred yrs ago & have been puppet Governing the Muslim lands since-So we cant see True Islam practiced anywhere-but read History 2 see the amazing peace & beauty True Islam brought 2 the world
UmmTakTata83 3 years ago
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Hahahahahahahaha! Hellooooo Beautiful! Take that burka of and free yourself of Islamic slavery. You husband appears to be a real wanker. A Western man would never make such a mistake...May I suggest you read some books by Hirsi Ali. It is time to be treated like a real woman, and not like a slave...and only a real western man can do that. You are not weak of mind, my lady, so why stay in a religion which says you are...why did Muhammad say the majority of women will go to hell. Free your mind...
kepler1000 3 years ago
BTW I have 2 wake U out of the dream U R living N- When I left a life of slavery 2 my desires & inclinations-I became a slave/servant of God-Allah & was liberated & free of my desires & inclinations 4 wordily pleasure-When we choose "the life" WE/I want 4 myself we R now slaves 2 our selfish desires & we will destroy ourselves in this world as well as destroy our chance @ the heavenly world-Now U have a right 2 disbelieve this-But U wont B able 2 say U didnt know this-U have read it & NOW U KNOW
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
Simple breakdown of 4.11: Children: Male gets that equal to two daughters. Parents (with children): for each of the two is one-sixth of the inheritance, in case of his having left a child. Parents (no child): if he has left no children and his parents are his only heirs, then for his mother is one-third (33% for the math challanged).
kepler1000 3 years ago
Now the kicker and why you are wrong.
Let us say he left $100 and he has a son and two daughters to make this simple. Both of his parents are well. Thus the father would get $16, the mother would get $16, that leaves $68.00. $34.00 would go to the son, the two daughters would get $17.00 each.
kepler1000 3 years ago
Also you guys allow girls to be married off (and have sex) as early 9 years old. Just like Muhammad did back in the days of old. Also even if a Muslima does get an education she will be living in a segregated land. Thus women would not be allowed to compete with men for important jobs.This is the kind of nightmare you want for America: Child Brides and Segregation of the sexes, in the 21st century! No thanks!
kepler1000 3 years ago
Islam is adaptive 2 times-places & situations-U should know what qiyas is (analogical reasoning) In times-situations & places where we dont find a direct Verse or Hadith dealing w/an issue-we use qiyas-as well as taking into consideration the normal customs of a ppl-that in mind arranged marriages was a common custom of past nations including USA & Euro-So 4 Abu Bakr a Man known 4 great integrity 2 marry off his daughter who was old enough 2 complain if she didnt want 2 marry the Prophet- Pt 1
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
Rather it is U (serpent kepler) & the likes of U who R really seeking to oppress women's rights 2 wear their hijab & cover their drop dead gorgeous figures cause U want to lust over it (maybe u wont touch or rape but what of those SICKOS who R "PROVOKED" by women who dress "SEXUALLY PROVOCATIVE" (not that its justified-but women should acknowledge the provocation reality) Arranged marriages may not be a thing we "more modern countries prefer. But 60% of the world still dont use telephones. Pt 3
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
The majority of western women will never accept this. You attempting to oppress women, becuase there are a few sickos in the world? Please that is not a justification to restrict women and what they want to wear or not wear. If we used that logic then we should restrict knives as well, because a few sickos behead people with them. Maybe children should not play outdoors, because a child molester could be out there! We should not go in the woods because wild anaimals might attack!
kepler1000 3 years ago
This is the reason islamic civilization is behind western civilization in science, technology, health care, weapons, and in general. The more free women are, the more competition it means for men in the work place. By allowing women to choose their husbands/boyfriends, it means men must improve their standing in society, improve themselves to gain the affections of a woman. Nothing will motivate a man to improve himself more than a sexy woman. To make himself better to win her approval and love.
kepler1000 3 years ago
9 yr olds can read & talk very well & In her older yrs did Aisha ever speak out against it? Thousands of hadith R related from her-She actually bragged about being the only virgin wife-Saying 2 the Prophet if U had 2 graze ur flock in a land that was ungrazed or 1 that had been grazed in already which would U choose-He said the ungrazed 1-She BRAGGED-Im ur only wife u married as a virgin why go 2 the others-Does that sound like a "little girl" who felt oppressed-Its U who impose on others Pt 2
PrinceofTruth 3 years ago
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And you believe that bullshit fantasy?
It is all an invention and written by adults, male adults.
moondog102 3 years ago
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And you believe that bullshit fantasy?
It is all an invention and written by adults, male adults.
moondog102 3 years ago
:D lol
it always cracks me up to hear a nonmuslim telling a muslim what islam is and what it teaches.
you made my day. thank you
karimgenerous 3 years ago
It alwasy cracks me up at how weak your taqiyya and kitman are. All non-muslims reading this: look up taqiyya, kitman (also known as Islamic deception) plus take a look at Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857. Muslims can and will lie to promote their faith to non-muslims to create an atmosphere of peace, when truth Islam is not peaceful at all. This is allowed in Islam. Thus all the apologist.
kepler1000 3 years ago
lol :D i cn't help laughing!!!
you need to think about having a carrier in stand up comedy!! you're gonna be a hit :D
karimgenerous 3 years ago
I am glad I ammuse you. Either you don't know your own faith because you would respond by proving me wrong, or you know I am right. Either way...I have won. :)
kepler1000 3 years ago
"you don't know your own faith" that's my favourite lol
congratulation u have won!!!!
c'mon get on a plane and visit any muslim country(promise you won't be killed or arrested)
karimgenerous 3 years ago
Can I bring a Bible? Oh Oh Oh...can bring my dog? What about about a pet pig?
I know...what about a video tape of "Love Boat" (god I hated that show, but what the hell)! I think I will have to decline...
kepler1000 3 years ago
as long as you bring yourself you can bring anything you want with you :)
i'm quite serious just spend a week end in any muslim country.take it as an adventure. besides it's not really expensive.
c'mon don't disappoint me.
karimgenerous 3 years ago
it seem to me quite honsetly that you need a psychiatric intervention very urgently !
you seems to be obcessesd with the " Conspiracy Theories " !
its crystal clear that you are living in an isolated world , and you listen only to mono voices !
i will invite you to visit me in egypt , to engage muslims , to identify their culter , and you will find that all what you belive in is nothing but nasty and deadfull dreams !
don't worry they wouldn' kill you , or treat you as dimmi .. :)
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
BTW we are looking for an Egyptian named Yaser Said. He appears to have fled back to Egypt after killing his two daughters: Sarah 17, and Amina 18 for dating non-muslims boys in America. He knows he will not be arrested for this crime in Egypt. See "911 call placed by 17 year old Sarah Said" on youtube. In this you will hear her dying words. Islamic nations allow for honor killings because the girls had left the flock and thus turned their backs on Islam. How dare they! Dating non-muslim boys!
kepler1000 3 years ago
oh , no good , same old hysterical story !
are you living in Mars ?
trust me , you are making fun of yourself !
i couldn't stop laughing at your comments !
it concludes a typical xenopobic , sahallow , narrow-minded , fox brainwashed , little parrot !
there is no point in any discussion with you , till you seek medical help !
i am sorry for you !
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
Why are you not answering my question about 4.11? I just went over to the website "ask the Imam" and went to their question/answer section. The father died, the Mother, Son and Dauther are the heirs. He said: The deceased's estate will be divided into 24 shares as follows: The wife will receive 3 shares, the son will receive 14 shares and the daughter will receive 7 shares." Bam! Read it weep! Thank You Mufti Ebrahim Desai..you rock! Hahahahahahahaha!
kepler1000 3 years ago
i explained that befor , but you seem not to understand from the first time !
yes , in this particular case , the son will get double the daughter , since his shares will be further shared by the larger family , wheres no one will share the daughter her money at all .
in the same case , if the grandparents are alive , they will get equal shares , the male gets just as the female , and in many other cases counted as more than 15 women gets double the men !
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
it is a complicated system based upon the mutal rights and duties within the family members and the overall socity in general !
fitnaresponses 3 years ago
According to Rabbi Dr. Menachem M. Brayer (Professor of Biblical Literature at Yeshiva University) in his book 'The Jewish woman in Rabbinic literature', it was the custom of Jewish women to go out in public with a head covering which, sometimes, even covered the whole face leaving one eye free !
fitnaresponses 3 years ago