I never heard of a dog between JFK and Jackie before. Is that what she said?
She said she was looking at JFK all the time but she didn't seem to be bothered about the most traumatizing part of it all - the part where he got his brains blown out.
This is Jean Hill. In Stone's JFK, she is the witness who tells Garrison she saw a grassy knoll shooter, and also says the FBI told her "You heard echoes!"
But if she did this TV interview BEFORE she talked to the FBI (as she says here), why doesn't she mention a grassy knoll shooter here?
Jean Hill is a conspiracy theory darling - but she was nuts and a liar! Only in 1978 did she claim that she had seen a grassy knoll shooter.
There was no conspiracy. Oswald was a punk who got lucky.
It turns Mrs Hill and Billy Lovelady both dated the same transexual FBI agent when they served in the Dallas Civil Air Patrol, an agent Lubey, who's wife's father was J. Edgar Hoover's milkman. Just sayin.
@All@LoneNutter1 has openly declared to all in this channel that he believes in a Tooth Fairy conspiracy, a Santa Claus conspiracy and in an Easter Bunny conspiracy.
Do you need any more proof that @LoneNutter1 is a deranged fruit fly?
@LoneNutter1@LoneNutter1 has openly declared to all in this channel that he believes in a Tooth Fairy conspiracy, a Santa Claus conspiracy and in an Easter Bunny conspiracy.
Do you need any more proof that @LoneNutter1 is a deranged fruit fly?
Also worth reading is Mark Lane's "The Last Word" which is heavily documented and written not in a sensational way but from the perspective of an investigator preparing for a legal case. Thorough and well documented and damning to the CIA and the MIC.
@virtuaI4desires That's right. If Conspiracy Obsessed people are going to post misinformation, they had best beware of me. I will challenge those who knowingly post incorrect information claiming it to be factual.
@LoneNutter1 An official YouTube enquiry into the activities of @autoad and @LoneNutter1 is called for. It's the only way we can get to the bottom of this.
@FrankCIanton Just autoad and LoneNutter1? What about all my other alleged identities like 399er, thomaslowrey and davidvonpein?
If you're going to have an inquiry have a real one that investigates everybody. In the meantime please, please, please have a YouTube investigation of autoad and LoneNutter1! If you're looking for financial contributions I'd like to contribute some money. Where do I send it?
@LoneNutter1 Thank you for at last admitting to your many YouTube identities.
399er, thomaslowrey and davidvonpein. Although I don't think a dullard like you is in the same league as DavidVonPein who has hundreds of videos whereas you have NONE.
A video that the CIA probably wishes didn't exist. Contrary to what people who have tried to trash Jean Hill over the past several decades say, she said right at the beginning that she heard more than 3 shots and that the motorcade stopped. In later years the Lone Nut theorists would try to discredit her and say she made things up, but we have what she said that first day on tape.
Hill's story obviously changed over the years. She could always make a few bucks when the sleazeballs like lane and marr came calling. Oswald did it by himself. It is so simple. People are so dumb sometimes.
I thought Jean Hill was roughed up and pressured by "authorities" to say she only heard three shots. She don't look flustered to me. Nor does she say anything to the reported about being pressured by the "authorities".
Jean Hill changed her story about what she saw 26 years after the assassination and just about the same time Badge Man was discovered. Oh wait...didn't her friend Maryann Mooreman take the Badge man photo? I guess Jean didn't miss her chance at becoming famous by telling a lie.
@MrFERG13 The 'dog' she thought she saw was a stuffed animal someone had given Jackie at the airport. It's been documented. Remember that the shots would have echoed in that triangle of buildings. Under the circumstances, she was not going to be able to count them.
Oswald was seen on the second floor 90 seconds after the last shot - relaxed and not at all out of breath - that rules him out
Motive
Means
Opportunity
The mob had all three but not the means to cover it up and certainly could not have done it without the collusion of the CIA and FBI
.....the only candidate with all three and the ability to cover it up (with the help of Hoover) is the CIA or elements within the CIA. LBJ also knew in advance (check the interview with his mistress)
1. The Zapruder film was edited (I can send you the link that PROVES that) in other words LOST frames to HIDE the fact that the limo virtually stopped. Why do that if there's no conspiracy ?
2. Oswald was 4 floors below and not out of breath 90 seconds after the last shot !
3. At least two witnesses saw two gunmen on the 6th floor of the TSBD
4. Many heard a shot from the grassy knoll (a few saw a muzzle blast or smoke)
@funkmasterjee Don't become one of the sheeple man! Think for yourself! Only sheep believe the government killed JFK. Iit was Oswald. Read Case Closed by Posner. It will enlighten you.
@superchitownhustler I do think for myself that's why I looked it to it myself and arrived at my own conclusions. YOU seem to be basing everything on one book
@superchitownhustler The same could be easily said in your case. I have read & watched much information based on this subject & came to my own conclusion. America's foreign policy since JFK has been reckless & chaotic. We have become a military power in which feels the need to police the world & caused many innocent deaths to women & children. Corporate America has lobbied & has forever bought out the hearts & the minds of our so called leaders. Every President since that great man lost
@superchitownhustler his life have been giving into the special interests groups & corporate well fare. I still find it hard to believe that people fail to see this pattern of foreign dismay & destruction. Wait why are there files pertaining to information on the assassination still locked away until 2029?
@jasmin11263 That's what the Oswald deniers do. The government wants people like you to waste their time and resources on a non event such as the "coverup" of the JFK assassination. In the meantime the government does all it's other ilegal and immoral activities like the Iran-Conra affair and the war in Iraq. That's what a sheeple is pal.
@superchitownhustler Wasting my my time & resources?... hardly I lead a full life I assure you. I'm not oblivious to what my government does I've even started questioning what they did years before I was born. Trust me - I don't trust them. For anyone that believes that Oswald was the lone guy in this they'd have to be ignorant, JFK assassination just has too many loose ends, coincidences & unanswered questions that cannot be reasonably explained.
@LoneNutter1 Never said LHO wasn't a shooter, just don't believe he acted alone & some in high ranking government wanted it done. Like I said politicians feed the media, they report the news & some ppl drink the kool aid. Not just on JFK either, we the public have been duped many times.
@LoneNutter1 Where's the evidence of his guilt? What guilty person would go down to the lunchroom and buy a Coke?
Oswald's rifle was found with a misaligned scope. A Carcano is a carbine-medium velocity rifle. The sling mounts on the backyard rifle were on the bottom while the movies of the depository gun clearly show a side mounted sling. The palm print wasn't discovered until the FBI brought the gun to the morgue. A half-blind man identified him from the ground. No gunpower on him
@tregoj1 So how do you explain the ballistics that says the Carcano found on the 6th floor was the one that belonged to Oswald, was the one that fired the "pristine bullet"?
@LoneNutter1 What ballistics were ever done on the backyard rifle? The only ballistics that exist link the 6th floor rifle to the bullets found in the car. There is no link to Oswald at all. Forensic evidence cannot be dismissed! The slings are vital evidence. It's clear that you are the type of person who can't be bothered by the facts. Pristine bullet had no blood on it! Examine the evidence and you will see the big picture. Ruby and his mob silenced Oswald!
@tregoj1 LHO's rifle was test fired and the bullet was compared to the "magic bullet". They were a perfect match meaning...CE399 was fired from LHO's rifle. Bullet fragments found in the limo that were large enough to be examined were a match to LHO's rifle. Those that were to small with examined by a neutron activation process and they were a chemical match to the bullets fired by LHO's rifle. Bullets found outside a body rarely have blood and tissue on them. You need to stop reading those
@LoneNutter1 You need to start reading something! You have a limited IQ! The rifle isn't "LHO's rifle"!!!! The depository rifle matches everything but there is NOTHING linking that rifle to that man. Duh! CE399 matched the depository rifle but it's a different rifle than the one ordered from Klein's. Different sling mount. Show me how the rifle found in the depository is proven to be Oswald's besides the phony palm print the embaler testified was placed on the gun in the morgue!
@LoneNutter1 The Warren Commission is a whitewash from start to finish. Read Mark Lane's Rush to Judgment. It's not a conspiracy book but rather a look at how flimsy the evidence against Oswald was. Anyone crazy enough to call himself a lonenutter must have some loose marbles up there himself.
@tregoj1 Mark Lane is one of the most offensive and exploitive opportunist who added and omitted words spoken to him by various individuals connected to the assassination. Jean Hill, Charles Brehm and Helen Markham are people Lane deliberately misquoted or twisted their words or fabricated testimony to suit his preconceived notions of the assassination.
@LoneNutter1 Read Jean Hills' book. She was feet from the president. Helen Markham had Oswald's clothes all wrong, said he was short with a ruddy complexion. Did you know that Jack Ruby lived closer to the Tippit shooting than Oswald? The WC had the preconceived notions. Many were quoted as saying we have to convince everyone it was Oswald. Where did he get his Minox spy camera? How could he get VD in the line of duty? Where did he get his $200 a month? How does he learn Russian??
@LoneNutter1 "So how do you explain the ballistics that says the Carcano found on the 6th floor was the one that belonged to Oswald, was the one that fired the "pristine bullet" Still churning out your half-baked nonsense about the so-called magic bullet? Yes, you are! It was NEVER proved that LHO owned the Mannlicher Carcano or indeed ANY rifle!!! You don't give a "whit" about the TRUTH either! You NEVER change!! You old TROLL! Bring on your 70 mph wind speeds soon in D.Plaza LOL
@jasmin11263 If you just took a look at the real evidence, it would convince you in about 30 minutes. It is so obvious. Waste your time. No skin off my nose.
@superchitownhustler Well for the "sheeple" thing to really work the Gov't needs stupid citizens and TRUST ME on this one - I've NEVER met a lone nutter that was particularly intelligent. Even Lindon Johnson eventually admitted he thought it was castro. So much for the W.C.
@superchitownhustler Posner is a money grubbing tool of the crooks. He just rewrites the Warren Commission which was a product of closed minds, Masons, destroyed and distorted evidence, a miracle bullet, and most of all very rich men. Ford pardoned the second biggest crook. Johnson ordered murders, killed 58,000 in Vietnam, and went insane with guilt at the end of his life. Oswald was a Marine who worked in Naval intelligence and who had a Minox spy camera among his things!
@funkmasterjee even an old judge like earl warren made it down 4 flights of stairs with a half minute to spare. what kind of shape are you in that you think this was impossible?
@andrelebaron And exactly how much time did the Warren commission allow from the last shot until Officer Baker saw Oswald on the second floor when Earl Warren did it for himself ? Probably a VERY generous time allowance and going straight from the top of the stairs not taking into account the time to line up the cartridge cases neatly in a row (that's how they were found - which is ridiculous in itself) and run from the south east window to the stairs
@andrelebaron Yes but two women were on the stairs and never saw or heard him. Ask yourself- why would a murderer leave the ejected shells on the floor, leave his rifle in plain sight, and stop and buy a Coke rather than flee? He also had to wipe off prints and dodge boxes. Anyhow the backyard rifle had bottom sling mounts while the depository one had side mounted sling- different rifles! Roger Craig said it was a Mauser. Oswald's gun was not the one found on the sixth floor!
@superchitownhustler What evidence? The negative paraffin test? The palm print that came from the morgue? The pipes in the way at the window? The heavy boxes the skinny guy had to pile up? The lady that saw him in the lunchroom? The fact that he bought a Coke rather than fleeing? The women on the stairs that don't see or hear him? Most damning of all is the backyard rifle. In the photos it has bottom mounts for a sling and no sling. The depository has a sling on side mounts!
Jean Hill is "was" nuts... white dog? she was not even looking at the President in frames Z.300 - 313. Get a life buffs. Oswald did it alone... 50 years and you still cannot face the facts
@toddadale There was a bunch of flowers in the car that could - at a distance and taking into account her limited view of the interior of the car - be mistaken for a dog. But having said that ....Moorman is a more reliable witness. I know that to be fact
@toddadale What facts? None. Jackie had a stuffed animal given her at the airport. Oswald couldn't pee his pants alone. He had a Minox spy camera and was paid $200 a month as an agent. He tested negative for gunpowder residue! The palm print came from the morgue. He was murdered to get to where we are. Pipes at the window and the tree hurt your shot. The window picked was the worst. The gun was a carbine with a misaligned scope. He was a mediocre shot. The head snap proves conspiracy.
@tregoj1 I guess the stuffed animal did it - and no - there were only flowers in the limo. The head snap proves conspiracy? Are you 12 years old? do you understand ballistics; have you seen the X-rays and photos at autopsy - guess you would call them fake to make your point? Your augments are just lame and all the issues you bring up have been covered by the facts over and over and over again. Love Mr. Stone as a director, but JFK the movie is bullshit, and you should read more...
Kennedy was shot by someone hiding in the trunk. That's how Kennedy and Connolly were shot at the same time. The other shooters were to frame Oswald. Then the shooter was told by radio to adjust his angle. Then the head shot. You can see the bullet exiting and going 10 degree angle towards front of car in frame 313. Someone in the trunk explains the whole deal and it explains the head shot. There you go people. Secret service killed your president. Jackie said shot came from inside the car.
"I saw the right side of his head fly onto the back of the car. I leaned back and reached for it. I just wanted to put Jack back together. It was just an instinctual response. In hind sight, I guess that was the first bullet smashing thru the freeway sign that hit Jack in the throat. I heard 5 shots fired at Jack from behind the freeway sign. I can still hear those 5 shots in my dreams. All the shots seem to come from behind the freeway sign."
This is what Jackie told Arthur Schlesinger: "On the day Jack was murdered, I happen to be looking at the large green Stemmon's freeway sign, as we were passing the grassy knoll. I saw a chunk of the green wooden sign suddenly shatter outwards and fly towards Jack and me. Then Jack was hit in the throat. I reached out for him. As I did, he was shot in the right side of his head. Just above his right eye. It was horrible.
Here's another thing that tells you all you need to know: The interview, regarding the assassination, that Jackie Kennedy did with William Manchester in 1967. She originally agreed to the interview, for the book he did called "Death of a President." She then "had second thoughts" about allowing the interview to be made public. She sued, and that interview is now under lock and key until 2067.
1: even if she seems honest you can see that her testimony is completely unreliable. The motorcade NEVER stopped (easy to see on the zapruder , nix or muchmore films), A dog???? No comment.
2: in she waited 1978 to start to say she saw a shooter on the grassy knoll and she was taken by a secret service man an interrogated...Mary moremann who was with her said it was a journalist and. she doesn't seem to be forced by the journalist in that interview...
i have no doubt that Lyndon Johnson was part of the assassination brain plot.it really pains to see that america has such a disgraceful chapter of history.LBJ should have all his credits stripped off and exhumed from his grave and dump in the Indian Ocean.
the limo slow way down just befor the fatal shot, the limo driver made a statment that he was sorry he slowed down, he didn't relize what was happening at first some of the zabruder tapes have been tampered with thats a fact
@SpectralCherub Yes, the limo stopped momentarily. So say about 4 dozen witnesses, including the cops. Web search: "59 witnesses delay on elm street".
Another thing. The SS agent Forrest Sorrels was in the lead car in front of the limo. One of his statements was that a motorcycle cop, after the shots were fired, went past the limo up to the led car to inform them what happened. Did you see the cop zoom past the limo on the Z film? The Z film is an altered fraud.
ok so if the zapruder film is a fraud, the the nix film the muchmore film are fraud too?
So if you are cop investigating a murder and a witness tells you "the killer had a red coat" and the when you see a film of the murder the coat is blue so you will say "the film is a fraud"? ok. Got it! good luck!
@captainkavern ok so if Orville Nix is on "another" video and is a witness who tells you the government people who took his film removed frames from his film, so you will say the Nix film is not a fraud? ok. Got it! gook luck with your stupidity asshole.
I did not say the Nix film was altered. Nix said his film was altered.
Please don't be rude it doesn't make you look smarter...
I watched his interview about his movie having missing frames. He's probably sincere about it. But If you compare his film with the muchmore film (take from the same angle but closer to the action) , you can tell there is nothing suspicious. And there was something embarrassing for the evil gvt, they could have destroy it! they did not. you see , we can disagree, but you don't have the right to insult me because of my opinion.
@captainkavern Asshole - you are a common disinformation asshole. Thus, you deserve the name asshole. Asshole - tell us the government story of why the limo on the Z film is not shown turning the corner onto Elm from Houston. Why are those frames missing, asshole?
Hey! cocksucker!! Still such a moron? Still things you don't understand? Ok let me explain to you cocksucker,
Zapruder stopped the camera and restarted it. Do I have to explain to you why the sky is blue in the film and the grass is green, cocksucker? Or maybe it's a trick from the evil government? The turn on elm street has been captured by other cameras.
The best analysis that I have seen is the well researched book "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" whick blames the CIA and the Joint Chiefs who wanted more war. JFK was trying to end the Cold War and remove America from Vietnam and they just couldn't stand that and would never allow it.
@exenrontexas i read that book it was good. i thought it talked a little too much about thomas merton and the pope. im catholic but i thought it over used his letters for a major point in JFK's thought process. but his conclusions and details were spot on. if you liked that book id recommend Brothers: The Hidden History Of The Kennedy Years by David Talbot
@pat442389 I concur. I think the Merton, Pope thing was a Catholic preference. What really struck me was the intense and thorough assembly of all the inconsistencies of the Warren Commission, purposeful government promotion of the lone gunman theory and getting into JFKs thought processes. I am thinking about trying to create an assemblage of JFK assassination interviews from first hand participants and adding subsequent support in video format.
Well your "research" is obviously shit then. The US weren't even IN Vietnam at the time, only trainers and advisors, and military hardware and money was send to South Vietnam, but operated by South Vietnam.
@Heaney5551 Fox News is not the only source of brain washing and you prove that there are others available in other countries. And if the thoroughly documented and thoroughly researched "JFK and the Unspeakable" failed to convince you then it will take an act of God to do it. Farewell and try to live with yourself and please let me know if God does speak to you and open your mind to the evil that is in the world and the goodness that is in heaven and at times on earth.
Man she is pretty. Is she single? Oh, she is probably in her seventies by now. Damned, that reporter is hitting on her. I bet she can cook and clean house. And her accent is so pretty. Her version is wrong, of course, but not too far off. I didn't realize about the dog. Was the Kennedy dog hurt? You know, they say Kennedy was a bit of a hound dog. Great man though. Saved all his men on PT109. Ted was a coward sack of shit. Couldn't save one pretty woman. Back to being pretty.
yes. the car came to a full stop just prior to the last TWO head shots. kennedy was hit bang bang in the head, one from behind and one from the side. see his head go forward first and then snap back and to the left.
this per an uncorrupted copy of the zapruder film seen by french reporter. the zapruder film we see on youtube and tv has been edited. frames cut out and the background enlarged. for example, zapruder NEVER stopped filming but the kennedy car seems to suddenly appear.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There is ZERO physical, medical and ballistic evidence to support any theory JFK was shot from the front or side. The limo did not stop! That is 100% false! The Z-film was not altered or faked or doctored. JFK was struck by two bullets coming from above and behind. One shot hit him in the upper back and the other hit him in the back of the head. Your description of what happened is seriously flawed.
You have obviously never seen the actual Zapruder film. Zapruder himself said that he "never stopped filming from the moment the lead motorcycles rounded onto Elm". Yet, we see the motorcycles appear and then suddenly, in the next frame, the presidential limo suddenly appears.
Are you claiming to know something more about his film than Mr Zapruder himself?
Many witnesses SAW the limo come to a halt right before the head shots, then speed off.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There's no ballistic, medical or physical evidence LHO shot the president. However, the ballistic evidence can identify the firearm and munitions used. The medical evidence says the shots came from above and behind. The physical evidence says the shots came from above and behind and they traveled on a particular path. Your well intentioned example is terribly flawed. The medical, physical and ballistic evidence tells you the direction one should look for more information.
in addition, i JUST detailed Zapruder's statement about his film which PROVES that it was altered. It was also PROVED that the background figures in the film have been enlarged. There is over 2 hours of technical video analysis by experts detailing the places where the video was altered and proving it at every step.
you are choosing to ignore the evidence. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Who proved it was altered? When was this proven? You toss the word "prove" around rather carelessly. You don't know what that word means.
No, the problem is you haven't even tried doing basic research.
watch?v=dvLW3IBHHvA
you know how i found that series? i simply searched on "zapruder film altered". there are a number of excellent series on the altering of this film. real proof. over and over again.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There's no problem with me. As a former believer in a "conspiracy" my unique perspective should get all CT'ers to take heed and listen. Why don't you seriously challenge your own beliefs and examine an alternative point of view. You see, I'm not too dumb to look. You're took cowardly to do a self examination. If you research the history of the Z-film you'll discover two things. The technology of the day wouldn't alloy "fakery". Second, there was't time to fake the film.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood No problem here. I was a believer in a "conspiracy" for many years. My view has changed after doing some of my own research that was far away form the agenda-driven conspiracy books.
By the way, which conspiracy do you subscribe to? There are dozens of them and too bad for the CT'ers; All of the theories can't be correct. That means most of them are wrong.
@LoneNutter1 They had at least 2 days to alter the film. Merely removing frames would hide a complete stop. Notice how close the secret service car gets!
@LoneNutter1 "Absolutely wrong! They did not have 2 days to alter the film. The film was developed and copies were made the same day as the assassination."
Absolute rubbish! Be mature, reasoned and rational!
@LiquorWreckedEmGood You comparing apples to torque wrenches. There was forensic evidence on the body of the dead child that lead investigators to Casey Anthony. The same holds true with the JFK assassination. The medical, forensic, ballistic and physical evidence does two things; It tells investigators where to look and where not to look. It tells them what to look for and it tells them what not to look for. CT'ers are obsessed in looking in the wrong direction for the wrong stuff.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood CT'ers remind me of the story of the man who lost his house keys in his back yard at night but looks for them in the front yard under a streetlight claiming the light is better in the front yard. You guys tell some interesting and entertaining tales about the assassination but you have a depressing lack of evidence to support any of them.
That's where you're wrong. As a former conspiracy believer I'm well informed of the many "theories" behind the assassination. The Z-film alteration story is another in the long line of deceptions dumped onto unsuspecting, trusting and uninformed people (like me one upon a time). These deceivers are interested in only making money and the "search for the truth" is a false promise. The Z-film fable is easily debunked.
The easiest proof of alteration is the gap between the first appearance of the lead motorcycles and the sudden jump (indicating an edit) to the presidential limo.
Zapruder has said that he never stopped filming from the moment the lead motorcycles rounded the corner of elm.
That is only one of some 30+ examples of alteration of the original film.
Your sweeping generalizations of "easily debunked" carry ZERO weight.
So you're willing to accept the fact that ALL of the movies and still photos taken in Dealey Plaza were altered so they would be in agreement with the altered Z-Film?
You're willing to accept the fact that every piece of film was confiscated, altered and returned to the proper owner without anyone becoming suspicious?
You're willing to accept the fact that ALL the photos taken by the press that day were altered as well?
Logistically it would be impossible to accomplish.
You're deliberately avoiding my questions for good reason. You're belief in the Z-film alteration is an argument built on gasps and sips of air. The logistics alone to confiscate ALL of the film and photos shot in Dealey Plaza, alter them so they agree with the fudged Z-film is totally absurd.
All of you conspiracy theorists always seem to resort to profanities and personal insults. You act like playground bullies when your beliefs are revealed for their foolishness.
JFK had TWO bullet wounds in the back and an entrance wound in the front throat. A doctor at Parkland described the wound in the throat as an entrance wound. He pointed out the ring of tissue irritation surrounding the wound as a tell-tail sign of an entrance wound. The size of the wound was the size of a bullet. The bullet never exited Kennedy's body.
The 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA differ with your explanation of where JFK was struck. All 9 of them said there is no medical evidence of the president being struck from the front or side. They said he was struck by two shots that came from above and behind. The ballistic, physical and forensic evidence back this up. Your opinion of a bullet not exiting the president is blatantly wrong. Besides, some of your CT'er brethren say the shot exited the back of his head.
So I'm curious how you come to grips with this major difference between you and some of your fellow conspiracy thinkers. Why is your explanation of entrance/exit wounds (or lack of them) correct and their's wrong?
These are the words of Jean Hill at the end of her WC testimony "Well, I know, I have always been rather---I mean, it's not something you are you are not proud to say it, but I think it was part of history and I was glad I was there, but because I got publicity, because I think my children will be interested to know that someday that I was in it someway".
Imagine that; Jean Hill pleased because she got publicity. That's all she wanted. Fame. She got it at the expense of the truth.
"This first thing I wanted to do is get those people in Oklahoma told about it".
What? No claims of having her arm twisted by government agents and hustled off to a room to be pressured by the same unknown government people?
Jean Hill is one of those people we all know that wants to be the first person who'll tell others what "big news" they have. Does she looked threatened? Does she look like she's saying things against her will? Does she sound tense, confused, upset? Pressured?
The CIA did it. The mountains of disinfo and lies that they subsequently pumped into the media afterwards prove it. Straight out of the intelligence handbook. The person(s) who fired the gun(s) is almost irrelevant. Funny how as soon as the movie JFK came out, we were bombarded by books about what a drug-addicted womanizer JFK supposedly was. It wasn't bad enough that they brutally murdered him; they then had to slander him, as well. And not one Secret Service agent was fired...
@LongLiveOx Exactly.And the icing on the cake - after publicly blowing his brains out all over his wife, assassinating his character as well. He was human, and Papa Joe taught his son's this behavior. This is CIA 101 - cover-up and leave just enough crumbs to run everyone in a thousand directions. And get away with murder(s), because Oswald. Ruby, Mary Pinchot Meyer and other witnesses magically died too.
@theTRUTHprincess agreed agreed, perfectly true and well said. we need more smoking gun proof though as even piper says he got no smoking gun evidence. this tyranical devil must go!
NO OTHER CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION HAS THE ABILITY to cover up their crimes by deceiving us in the mainstream media (including hollywood and the book publishing houses) the way ZIONISTS do!!!
I mean think about it, EVERY other "theory"; whether its CIA or mafia has been given "air time" in the mainstream media! But the one that makes most sense after careful investigation is treated as TABOO... just like 9/11, USS Liberty, Lavon Affair, WWII
Israel isn't responsible for everything in the world. In 1963 they were still trying to defend their country from Pan-Arab attack...no peace treaties. They were occupied elsewhere. Secondly, Gaddafi said alot of crazy things, siting him doesn't count for much
here's what Truman had to say in December '63, one month after JFK's assassination:
"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government....I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations."
It's well established in the psychological literature that eyewitness testimony is horribly inaccurate.This is a great example of that. The human brain processes information a lot differently under high stress.
It isn't surprising that she would have some facts wrong since she just witnessed such a horrible event. It all happened so fast and you are left to remember what you think you saw. Nearly every aspect of her testimony was unfortunately wrong. The value of her testimony is simply this: She saw the president shot, and heard Jackie yell. Further than that, not much value.
goes to show how wrong eyewitnesses can be. no dog. the motorcade did not stop. she could see the expression on his face but didn't notice his brains flying all over. can her recollection of the number of shots be accurate. given the severe trauma of the incident her account is pretty good.
@cunnidvd There was a white doll and flowers in the car. No big deal. No big deal at all. She saw him get shot, she heard the shots. She saw him grasp his chest or throat. All consistent with getting shot from the front.
@manofsteel564 Are we to presume you've done research on how people react when they've been shot? Do people regularly grab the area on their body where they've been shot?
Jean Hill testified she saw a white dog in the presidential limo. There was no dog. You say there was a doll. There was no doll or "Lambchop" sock puppet either. And you say it's "no big deal"? It's a big deal because Jean Hill saw things that weren't there.
@LoneNutter1 Again, because eye witnesses are not reliable, unless someone is trained in what to look for. Even though, the corruption of memories begins right at the time of witnessing a crime.
@iamlost2 You are correct! Ear and eyewitness testimony is likely to be inaccurate regardless of the passage of time. That is why we rely on medical, ballistic and physical evidence to help solve crimes. They are the most reliable, they don't have agendas, they don't have changing memories and they can be tested and examined by future generations. Eye and ear witness testimony can't do this.
@manofsteel564 She also said she did things when the photographic evidence shows she didn't. Jean Hill is not a good witness because she gets things wrong and is easily confused. To brush off her errors as "no big deal" is questionable. Would you be just as forgiving with someone who witnessed Oswald in the act of shooting the president who made errors in their testimony?
@LoneNutter1 most eye witnesses are not reliable - unless they are trained in it. That is, the longer they are from the event. Recent research shows that when more memories are resurrected into consciousness (or awareness), the more corrupt memories become. That's what the interrogators do, they want you to be certain for either a conviction or story. The more someone is sure, the more distorted their memory is. Especially watching a traumatic event where you believe your life was in danger,
Will she MUST be mistaken like ALL of the other people who heard or saw something other than 3 shots be fired. Curious how all of those people are mistaken or confused or whatever....
Jim Marrs a "flake?" He's been teaching a class on the JFK assassination at a college in Texas since 1978 and researching since it happened when he was a reporter in Dallas. He knows his stuff. Stone's JFK was based on his book. In spite of government balking, more inquiry and FOIA requests were processed. Nobody believes the government, text-book approved conspiracy--Oswald did it all by his lonesome .There is a photo of Bush I (head of the CIA since 1960) on the steps of the book depository.
@Charlotte9909 yo, we have pretty similar views on this, jim marrs just isn't my favorite assassination researcher, thats all. I own crossfire, i know jfk was based on it, i know about poppy at the depository, you are acting like i said i believe the warren commission or something... far from it.
Folks, this "mysterious deaths" allegation was proven wrong, long ago. Anyway, some of these "witnesses" use it as a reason why the didn't come forward sooner....but the "suspicious deaths" story didn't appear until 1966...why didn't they come forward before 1966? They had almost three years!
@sudaev well, i don't know about the whole jim marrs mysterious deaths (he's kind of a flake and all), but lee bowers wife blurted out, in an interview, "they told him not to say anything". also, rose cheramie could've been a hit I find the deaths around the time of the HSCA much more compelling though Johnny Roselli,Sam Giancana,David Morales,William Harvey,Charles Nicoletti, and George de Mohrenschildt (there is allegedly an audio tape where you can hear the "suicide" shot then somone leave
I do not understand why Hill gets criticised for this version of what happened when it was made on the 22nd Nov - what motive do her critics suggest she had for inventing it or lying ?
Specter What was your impression as to the source of the 2nd group of shots which you have described as the 4th, perhaps the 5th, and perhaps the 6th shot? Hill: I thought that they were fired by someone else. And did you have any idea where they were coming from?Hill: I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
I don't have a problem with the "3 or 4 more shots" fired almost simultaneously since I don't know how to account for all the wounds on JFK and Connolly otherwise--not with one bullet a total miss and Connolly always testifying that he heard a shot, turned and saw KFK was hit, and then got hot himself by another shot.
What a weird video.
I never heard of a dog between JFK and Jackie before. Is that what she said?
She said she was looking at JFK all the time but she didn't seem to be bothered about the most traumatizing part of it all - the part where he got his brains blown out.
bearlyy 1 day ago
This is Jean Hill. In Stone's JFK, she is the witness who tells Garrison she saw a grassy knoll shooter, and also says the FBI told her "You heard echoes!"
But if she did this TV interview BEFORE she talked to the FBI (as she says here), why doesn't she mention a grassy knoll shooter here?
Jean Hill is a conspiracy theory darling - but she was nuts and a liar! Only in 1978 did she claim that she had seen a grassy knoll shooter.
There was no conspiracy. Oswald was a punk who got lucky.
RSLindsay 1 week ago
It turns Mrs Hill and Billy Lovelady both dated the same transexual FBI agent when they served in the Dallas Civil Air Patrol, an agent Lubey, who's wife's father was J. Edgar Hoover's milkman. Just sayin.
eBe4IXcept 3 weeks ago
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@All @LoneNutter1 has openly declared to all in this channel that he believes in a Tooth Fairy conspiracy, a Santa Claus conspiracy and in an Easter Bunny conspiracy.
Do you need any more proof that @LoneNutter1 is a deranged fruit fly?
Case closed.
MrTroIIol 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 @LoneNutter1 has openly declared to all in this channel that he believes in a Tooth Fairy conspiracy, a Santa Claus conspiracy and in an Easter Bunny conspiracy.
Do you need any more proof that @LoneNutter1 is a deranged fruit fly?
Case closed.
MrTroIIol 1 month ago 5
Imagine seeing a part of history like that.
I wonder if she is still alive.
Anyway, Oswald was the only assassin.
There is no proof that there was another gunman.
Too many people watched Oliver Stone's movie I guess.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 1 month ago
Also worth reading is Mark Lane's "The Last Word" which is heavily documented and written not in a sensational way but from the perspective of an investigator preparing for a legal case. Thorough and well documented and damning to the CIA and the MIC.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@All BEWARE!!!
LoneNutter1 is a TROLL!!
virtuaI4desires 1 month ago
@virtuaI4desires That's right. If Conspiracy Obsessed people are going to post misinformation, they had best beware of me. I will challenge those who knowingly post incorrect information claiming it to be factual.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 "Beware of you" ?? Are you threatening me? I may have to report you to YouTube.
virtuaI4desires 1 month ago 2
@virtuaI4desires Yes! Please report him!
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 An official YouTube enquiry into the activities of @autoad and @LoneNutter1 is called for. It's the only way we can get to the bottom of this.
FrankCIanton 1 month ago 2
@FrankCIanton Just autoad and LoneNutter1? What about all my other alleged identities like 399er, thomaslowrey and davidvonpein?
If you're going to have an inquiry have a real one that investigates everybody. In the meantime please, please, please have a YouTube investigation of autoad and LoneNutter1! If you're looking for financial contributions I'd like to contribute some money. Where do I send it?
LoneNutter1 1 month ago 14
@LoneNutter1 Thank you for at last admitting to your many YouTube identities.
399er, thomaslowrey and davidvonpein. Although I don't think a dullard like you is in the same league as DavidVonPein who has hundreds of videos whereas you have NONE.
KiIIU99 1 month ago 5
@KiIIU99 Re-read my post. I never admitted to the identities; I said alleged identities.
Typical for a pro-conspiracy theorist to possess the inability to distinguish the difference between an allegation and an admission.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago 5
@LoneNutter1 You are obviously guilty. Read your posts see what you wrote.
KiIIU99 1 month ago 2
@KiIIU99 You'd better explain it to me. I dumber than a pile of rocks. ;)
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
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A video that the CIA probably wishes didn't exist. Contrary to what people who have tried to trash Jean Hill over the past several decades say, she said right at the beginning that she heard more than 3 shots and that the motorcade stopped. In later years the Lone Nut theorists would try to discredit her and say she made things up, but we have what she said that first day on tape.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
Hill's story obviously changed over the years. She could always make a few bucks when the sleazeballs like lane and marr came calling. Oswald did it by himself. It is so simple. People are so dumb sometimes.
superchitownhustler 1 month ago
I thought Jean Hill was roughed up and pressured by "authorities" to say she only heard three shots. She don't look flustered to me. Nor does she say anything to the reported about being pressured by the "authorities".
Jean Hill changed her story about what she saw 26 years after the assassination and just about the same time Badge Man was discovered. Oh wait...didn't her friend Maryann Mooreman take the Badge man photo? I guess Jean didn't miss her chance at becoming famous by telling a lie.
autoad 1 month ago
she saw a dog between them what an unrelyable assanine witness she saw the motor cade stop ..haha then 3 more shots oh brother
MrFERG13 3 months ago
@MrFERG13 The 'dog' she thought she saw was a stuffed animal someone had given Jackie at the airport. It's been documented. Remember that the shots would have echoed in that triangle of buildings. Under the circumstances, she was not going to be able to count them.
signalfire6 3 months ago
@MrFERG13 It was a stuffed toy that was given to Jackie at the airport!
tregoj1 1 month ago
Oswald was seen on the second floor 90 seconds after the last shot - relaxed and not at all out of breath - that rules him out
Motive
Means
Opportunity
The mob had all three but not the means to cover it up and certainly could not have done it without the collusion of the CIA and FBI
.....the only candidate with all three and the ability to cover it up (with the help of Hoover) is the CIA or elements within the CIA. LBJ also knew in advance (check the interview with his mistress)
funkmasterjee 4 months ago
I can't beleive how many people think oswald didn't kill jfk. all the evidence points to oswald. wake up!
superchitownhustler 4 months ago
@superchitownhustler The Warren report is a big LIE. Here's why.....
1. The Zapruder film was edited (I can send you the link that PROVES that) in other words LOST frames to HIDE the fact that the limo virtually stopped. Why do that if there's no conspiracy ?
2. Oswald was 4 floors below and not out of breath 90 seconds after the last shot !
3. At least two witnesses saw two gunmen on the 6th floor of the TSBD
4. Many heard a shot from the grassy knoll (a few saw a muzzle blast or smoke)
funkmasterjee 4 months ago
@funkmasterjee Don't become one of the sheeple man! Think for yourself! Only sheep believe the government killed JFK. Iit was Oswald. Read Case Closed by Posner. It will enlighten you.
superchitownhustler 4 months ago
@superchitownhustler I do think for myself that's why I looked it to it myself and arrived at my own conclusions. YOU seem to be basing everything on one book
funkmasterjee 3 months ago
@superchitownhustler The same could be easily said in your case. I have read & watched much information based on this subject & came to my own conclusion. America's foreign policy since JFK has been reckless & chaotic. We have become a military power in which feels the need to police the world & caused many innocent deaths to women & children. Corporate America has lobbied & has forever bought out the hearts & the minds of our so called leaders. Every President since that great man lost
Ur2ez4me81 3 months ago
@superchitownhustler his life have been giving into the special interests groups & corporate well fare. I still find it hard to believe that people fail to see this pattern of foreign dismay & destruction. Wait why are there files pertaining to information on the assassination still locked away until 2029?
Ur2ez4me81 3 months ago
@superchitownhustl Sheeple are those that believe in what the government feeds them, media reports on it & then they drink the kool aid.
jasmin11263 1 month ago
@jasmin11263 That's what the Oswald deniers do. The government wants people like you to waste their time and resources on a non event such as the "coverup" of the JFK assassination. In the meantime the government does all it's other ilegal and immoral activities like the Iran-Conra affair and the war in Iraq. That's what a sheeple is pal.
superchitownhustler 1 month ago
@superchitownhustler Wasting my my time & resources?... hardly I lead a full life I assure you. I'm not oblivious to what my government does I've even started questioning what they did years before I was born. Trust me - I don't trust them. For anyone that believes that Oswald was the lone guy in this they'd have to be ignorant, JFK assassination just has too many loose ends, coincidences & unanswered questions that cannot be reasonably explained.
jasmin11263 1 month ago
@jasmin11263 It's not a case of questions that can't be reasonably explained. It's a case of answers that can't be reasonably understood.
The Conspiracy crowd is obsessed with imaginary plots, invisible schemes and make-believe secret societies controlling the world.
They are blind and deaf to the overwhelming amount of evidence that points to Oswald's guilt.
If someone other that LHO did it where's the evidence to exonerate him? We've been waiting 50 years and still there's nothing.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Never said LHO wasn't a shooter, just don't believe he acted alone & some in high ranking government wanted it done. Like I said politicians feed the media, they report the news & some ppl drink the kool aid. Not just on JFK either, we the public have been duped many times.
jasmin11263 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Where's the evidence of his guilt? What guilty person would go down to the lunchroom and buy a Coke?
Oswald's rifle was found with a misaligned scope. A Carcano is a carbine-medium velocity rifle. The sling mounts on the backyard rifle were on the bottom while the movies of the depository gun clearly show a side mounted sling. The palm print wasn't discovered until the FBI brought the gun to the morgue. A half-blind man identified him from the ground. No gunpower on him
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 So how do you explain the ballistics that says the Carcano found on the 6th floor was the one that belonged to Oswald, was the one that fired the "pristine bullet"?
I don't give a whit about slings or straps!
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 What ballistics were ever done on the backyard rifle? The only ballistics that exist link the 6th floor rifle to the bullets found in the car. There is no link to Oswald at all. Forensic evidence cannot be dismissed! The slings are vital evidence. It's clear that you are the type of person who can't be bothered by the facts. Pristine bullet had no blood on it! Examine the evidence and you will see the big picture. Ruby and his mob silenced Oswald!
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 LHO's rifle was test fired and the bullet was compared to the "magic bullet". They were a perfect match meaning...CE399 was fired from LHO's rifle. Bullet fragments found in the limo that were large enough to be examined were a match to LHO's rifle. Those that were to small with examined by a neutron activation process and they were a chemical match to the bullets fired by LHO's rifle. Bullets found outside a body rarely have blood and tissue on them. You need to stop reading those
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 You need to start reading something! You have a limited IQ! The rifle isn't "LHO's rifle"!!!! The depository rifle matches everything but there is NOTHING linking that rifle to that man. Duh! CE399 matched the depository rifle but it's a different rifle than the one ordered from Klein's. Different sling mount. Show me how the rifle found in the depository is proven to be Oswald's besides the phony palm print the embaler testified was placed on the gun in the morgue!
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 foolish pro-conspiracy books that are filled with half-truths, lies and fabrications.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Just like your asinine posts!!! LOL
virtuaI4desires 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 The Warren Commission is a whitewash from start to finish. Read Mark Lane's Rush to Judgment. It's not a conspiracy book but rather a look at how flimsy the evidence against Oswald was. Anyone crazy enough to call himself a lonenutter must have some loose marbles up there himself.
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 Mark Lane is one of the most offensive and exploitive opportunist who added and omitted words spoken to him by various individuals connected to the assassination. Jean Hill, Charles Brehm and Helen Markham are people Lane deliberately misquoted or twisted their words or fabricated testimony to suit his preconceived notions of the assassination.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Read Jean Hills' book. She was feet from the president. Helen Markham had Oswald's clothes all wrong, said he was short with a ruddy complexion. Did you know that Jack Ruby lived closer to the Tippit shooting than Oswald? The WC had the preconceived notions. Many were quoted as saying we have to convince everyone it was Oswald. Where did he get his Minox spy camera? How could he get VD in the line of duty? Where did he get his $200 a month? How does he learn Russian??
tregoj1 1 month ago
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@LoneNutter1 "So how do you explain the ballistics that says the Carcano found on the 6th floor was the one that belonged to Oswald, was the one that fired the "pristine bullet" Still churning out your half-baked nonsense about the so-called magic bullet? Yes, you are! It was NEVER proved that LHO owned the Mannlicher Carcano or indeed ANY rifle!!! You don't give a "whit" about the TRUTH either! You NEVER change!! You old TROLL! Bring on your 70 mph wind speeds soon in D.Plaza LOL
virtuaI4desires 1 month ago
@jasmin11263 If you just took a look at the real evidence, it would convince you in about 30 minutes. It is so obvious. Waste your time. No skin off my nose.
superchitownhustler 1 month ago
@superchitownhustler Well for the "sheeple" thing to really work the Gov't needs stupid citizens and TRUST ME on this one - I've NEVER met a lone nutter that was particularly intelligent. Even Lindon Johnson eventually admitted he thought it was castro. So much for the W.C.
PabloPena108 3 weeks ago
@PabloPena108 It's "Lyndon", not "Lindon". The case was very simple. It's a shame you can't see the forest for the trees.
superchitownhustler 3 weeks ago
@superchitownhustler Posner is a money grubbing tool of the crooks. He just rewrites the Warren Commission which was a product of closed minds, Masons, destroyed and distorted evidence, a miracle bullet, and most of all very rich men. Ford pardoned the second biggest crook. Johnson ordered murders, killed 58,000 in Vietnam, and went insane with guilt at the end of his life. Oswald was a Marine who worked in Naval intelligence and who had a Minox spy camera among his things!
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 You are precious...never stop being you....lol
superchitownhustler 1 month ago
@funkmasterjee even an old judge like earl warren made it down 4 flights of stairs with a half minute to spare. what kind of shape are you in that you think this was impossible?
andrelebaron 3 months ago
@andrelebaron And exactly how much time did the Warren commission allow from the last shot until Officer Baker saw Oswald on the second floor when Earl Warren did it for himself ? Probably a VERY generous time allowance and going straight from the top of the stairs not taking into account the time to line up the cartridge cases neatly in a row (that's how they were found - which is ridiculous in itself) and run from the south east window to the stairs
funkmasterjee 3 months ago
@andrelebaron and I notice you only commented on one of several points I made
funkmasterjee 3 months ago
@andrelebaron Yes but two women were on the stairs and never saw or heard him. Ask yourself- why would a murderer leave the ejected shells on the floor, leave his rifle in plain sight, and stop and buy a Coke rather than flee? He also had to wipe off prints and dodge boxes. Anyhow the backyard rifle had bottom sling mounts while the depository one had side mounted sling- different rifles! Roger Craig said it was a Mauser. Oswald's gun was not the one found on the sixth floor!
tregoj1 1 month ago
@superchitownhustler What evidence? The negative paraffin test? The palm print that came from the morgue? The pipes in the way at the window? The heavy boxes the skinny guy had to pile up? The lady that saw him in the lunchroom? The fact that he bought a Coke rather than fleeing? The women on the stairs that don't see or hear him? Most damning of all is the backyard rifle. In the photos it has bottom mounts for a sling and no sling. The depository has a sling on side mounts!
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 Are you really that dumb? Your comment is one of the most misinformed I've ever seen. You are like a parrot repeating useless factoids.
superchitownhustler 1 month ago
Jean Hill is "was" nuts... white dog? she was not even looking at the President in frames Z.300 - 313. Get a life buffs. Oswald did it alone... 50 years and you still cannot face the facts
toddadale 4 months ago
@toddadale 100% Agree! No one but Oswald.
bibbler227 4 months ago
@toddadale There was a bunch of flowers in the car that could - at a distance and taking into account her limited view of the interior of the car - be mistaken for a dog. But having said that ....Moorman is a more reliable witness. I know that to be fact
funkmasterjee 4 months ago
@toddadale As posted elsewhere, Jackie was given a stuffed animal as a gift at the airport. It's been documented.
signalfire6 3 months ago
@signalfire6 hell, you solved the case the doll did it!
toddadale 3 months ago
@toddadale What facts? None. Jackie had a stuffed animal given her at the airport. Oswald couldn't pee his pants alone. He had a Minox spy camera and was paid $200 a month as an agent. He tested negative for gunpowder residue! The palm print came from the morgue. He was murdered to get to where we are. Pipes at the window and the tree hurt your shot. The window picked was the worst. The gun was a carbine with a misaligned scope. He was a mediocre shot. The head snap proves conspiracy.
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 I guess the stuffed animal did it - and no - there were only flowers in the limo. The head snap proves conspiracy? Are you 12 years old? do you understand ballistics; have you seen the X-rays and photos at autopsy - guess you would call them fake to make your point? Your augments are just lame and all the issues you bring up have been covered by the facts over and over and over again. Love Mr. Stone as a director, but JFK the movie is bullshit, and you should read more...
toddadale 1 month ago
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Kennedy was shot by someone hiding in the trunk. That's how Kennedy and Connolly were shot at the same time. The other shooters were to frame Oswald. Then the shooter was told by radio to adjust his angle. Then the head shot. You can see the bullet exiting and going 10 degree angle towards front of car in frame 313. Someone in the trunk explains the whole deal and it explains the head shot. There you go people. Secret service killed your president. Jackie said shot came from inside the car.
amerikaiscommunist 4 months ago
"I saw the right side of his head fly onto the back of the car. I leaned back and reached for it. I just wanted to put Jack back together. It was just an instinctual response. In hind sight, I guess that was the first bullet smashing thru the freeway sign that hit Jack in the throat. I heard 5 shots fired at Jack from behind the freeway sign. I can still hear those 5 shots in my dreams. All the shots seem to come from behind the freeway sign."
LongLiveOx 5 months ago 2
This is what Jackie told Arthur Schlesinger: "On the day Jack was murdered, I happen to be looking at the large green Stemmon's freeway sign, as we were passing the grassy knoll. I saw a chunk of the green wooden sign suddenly shatter outwards and fly towards Jack and me. Then Jack was hit in the throat. I reached out for him. As I did, he was shot in the right side of his head. Just above his right eye. It was horrible.
LongLiveOx 5 months ago 2
Here's another thing that tells you all you need to know: The interview, regarding the assassination, that Jackie Kennedy did with William Manchester in 1967. She originally agreed to the interview, for the book he did called "Death of a President." She then "had second thoughts" about allowing the interview to be made public. She sued, and that interview is now under lock and key until 2067.
LongLiveOx 5 months ago 2
I am shocked by the comments !
1: even if she seems honest you can see that her testimony is completely unreliable. The motorcade NEVER stopped (easy to see on the zapruder , nix or muchmore films), A dog???? No comment.
2: in she waited 1978 to start to say she saw a shooter on the grassy knoll and she was taken by a secret service man an interrogated...Mary moremann who was with her said it was a journalist and. she doesn't seem to be forced by the journalist in that interview...
captainkavern 5 months ago
i have no doubt that Lyndon Johnson was part of the assassination brain plot.it really pains to see that america has such a disgraceful chapter of history.LBJ should have all his credits stripped off and exhumed from his grave and dump in the Indian Ocean.
fuhrerlau 5 months ago
2 or 4 more??? thats a total of 4 to 6 shots?? 2 shots rang out. hmmm from the same gun that fast? i think not...
junky9 5 months ago
Question EVERYTHING! ... Except of course my nonsense.
RedStateRoy 5 months ago
the limo slow way down just befor the fatal shot, the limo driver made a statment that he was sorry he slowed down, he didn't relize what was happening at first some of the zabruder tapes have been tampered with thats a fact
kenny2894spd 6 months ago
She does say that the motorcade momentarily halted. The Zapruder film doesn't show that, now does it.
SpectralCherub 6 months ago
@SpectralCherub Yes, the limo stopped momentarily. So say about 4 dozen witnesses, including the cops. Web search: "59 witnesses delay on elm street".
Another thing. The SS agent Forrest Sorrels was in the lead car in front of the limo. One of his statements was that a motorcycle cop, after the shots were fired, went past the limo up to the led car to inform them what happened. Did you see the cop zoom past the limo on the Z film? The Z film is an altered fraud.
barmtraiI 5 months ago 2
@barmtraiI
ok so if the zapruder film is a fraud, the the nix film the muchmore film are fraud too?
So if you are cop investigating a murder and a witness tells you "the killer had a red coat" and the when you see a film of the murder the coat is blue so you will say "the film is a fraud"? ok. Got it! good luck!
captainkavern 5 months ago
@captainkavern ok so if Orville Nix is on "another" video and is a witness who tells you the government people who took his film removed frames from his film, so you will say the Nix film is not a fraud? ok. Got it! gook luck with your stupidity asshole.
I did not say the Nix film was altered. Nix said his film was altered.
barmtraiI 5 months ago
@barmtraiI
Please don't be rude it doesn't make you look smarter...
I watched his interview about his movie having missing frames. He's probably sincere about it. But If you compare his film with the muchmore film (take from the same angle but closer to the action) , you can tell there is nothing suspicious. And there was something embarrassing for the evil gvt, they could have destroy it! they did not. you see , we can disagree, but you don't have the right to insult me because of my opinion.
captainkavern 5 months ago
@captainkavern Asshole - you are a common disinformation asshole. Thus, you deserve the name asshole. Asshole - tell us the government story of why the limo on the Z film is not shown turning the corner onto Elm from Houston. Why are those frames missing, asshole?
barmtraiI 5 months ago
@barmtraiI
Hey! cocksucker!! Still such a moron? Still things you don't understand? Ok let me explain to you cocksucker,
Zapruder stopped the camera and restarted it. Do I have to explain to you why the sky is blue in the film and the grass is green, cocksucker? Or maybe it's a trick from the evil government? The turn on elm street has been captured by other cameras.
captainkavern 4 months ago
The best analysis that I have seen is the well researched book "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" whick blames the CIA and the Joint Chiefs who wanted more war. JFK was trying to end the Cold War and remove America from Vietnam and they just couldn't stand that and would never allow it.
exenrontexas 6 months ago 19
@exenrontexas i read that book it was good. i thought it talked a little too much about thomas merton and the pope. im catholic but i thought it over used his letters for a major point in JFK's thought process. but his conclusions and details were spot on. if you liked that book id recommend Brothers: The Hidden History Of The Kennedy Years by David Talbot
pat442389 5 months ago
@pat442389 I concur. I think the Merton, Pope thing was a Catholic preference. What really struck me was the intense and thorough assembly of all the inconsistencies of the Warren Commission, purposeful government promotion of the lone gunman theory and getting into JFKs thought processes. I am thinking about trying to create an assemblage of JFK assassination interviews from first hand participants and adding subsequent support in video format.
exenrontexas 5 months ago
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MCK0207 4 months ago
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@exenrontexas An assemblage of witness interviews accompanied by video support would be welcomed by this magic bullet skeptic.
MCK0207 4 months ago
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Well your "research" is obviously shit then. The US weren't even IN Vietnam at the time, only trainers and advisors, and military hardware and money was send to South Vietnam, but operated by South Vietnam.
JFK was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. Alone.
Heaney5551 1 month ago
@Heaney5551 Read "JFK and the Unspeakable" and "The Forty Years War" and then come back and apologize. You have been deceived...clearly.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@exenrontexas
I have read "JFK and the Unspeakable", but not "The Forty Years War".
I failed to convince me at all.
I'm not from the US, so before you shout "Oh look he's been brainwashed by Fox news!", I've never even seen Fox News.
Heaney5551 1 month ago
@Heaney5551 Fox News is not the only source of brain washing and you prove that there are others available in other countries. And if the thoroughly documented and thoroughly researched "JFK and the Unspeakable" failed to convince you then it will take an act of God to do it. Farewell and try to live with yourself and please let me know if God does speak to you and open your mind to the evil that is in the world and the goodness that is in heaven and at times on earth.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@exenrontexas And they knew Johnson would do whatever he was told
sadbutsandman91 1 month ago
Man she is pretty. Is she single? Oh, she is probably in her seventies by now. Damned, that reporter is hitting on her. I bet she can cook and clean house. And her accent is so pretty. Her version is wrong, of course, but not too far off. I didn't realize about the dog. Was the Kennedy dog hurt? You know, they say Kennedy was a bit of a hound dog. Great man though. Saved all his men on PT109. Ted was a coward sack of shit. Couldn't save one pretty woman. Back to being pretty.
MisterNifty 6 months ago
Then the car HALTED!?
Shawndibo 7 months ago
@Shawndibo
yes. the car came to a full stop just prior to the last TWO head shots. kennedy was hit bang bang in the head, one from behind and one from the side. see his head go forward first and then snap back and to the left.
this per an uncorrupted copy of the zapruder film seen by french reporter. the zapruder film we see on youtube and tv has been edited. frames cut out and the background enlarged. for example, zapruder NEVER stopped filming but the kennedy car seems to suddenly appear.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There is ZERO physical, medical and ballistic evidence to support any theory JFK was shot from the front or side. The limo did not stop! That is 100% false! The Z-film was not altered or faked or doctored. JFK was struck by two bullets coming from above and behind. One shot hit him in the upper back and the other hit him in the back of the head. Your description of what happened is seriously flawed.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
You have obviously never seen the actual Zapruder film. Zapruder himself said that he "never stopped filming from the moment the lead motorcycles rounded onto Elm". Yet, we see the motorcycles appear and then suddenly, in the next frame, the presidential limo suddenly appears.
Are you claiming to know something more about his film than Mr Zapruder himself?
Many witnesses SAW the limo come to a halt right before the head shots, then speed off.
Sorry, but those are the facts.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
There is also ZERO physical, medical and ballistic evidence to support a guilty verdict for Casey Anthony.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. To argue that it is, as you are doing, is a logical fallacy.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There's no ballistic, medical or physical evidence LHO shot the president. However, the ballistic evidence can identify the firearm and munitions used. The medical evidence says the shots came from above and behind. The physical evidence says the shots came from above and behind and they traveled on a particular path. Your well intentioned example is terribly flawed. The medical, physical and ballistic evidence tells you the direction one should look for more information.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
Look at the Nix film. What do you see?
in addition, i JUST detailed Zapruder's statement about his film which PROVES that it was altered. It was also PROVED that the background figures in the film have been enlarged. There is over 2 hours of technical video analysis by experts detailing the places where the video was altered and proving it at every step.
you are choosing to ignore the evidence. that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Who proved it was altered? When was this proven? You toss the word "prove" around rather carelessly. You don't know what that word means.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
No, the problem is you haven't even tried doing basic research.
watch?v=dvLW3IBHHvA
you know how i found that series? i simply searched on "zapruder film altered". there are a number of excellent series on the altering of this film. real proof. over and over again.
your problem is you're too dumb to look.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood There's no problem with me. As a former believer in a "conspiracy" my unique perspective should get all CT'ers to take heed and listen. Why don't you seriously challenge your own beliefs and examine an alternative point of view. You see, I'm not too dumb to look. You're took cowardly to do a self examination. If you research the history of the Z-film you'll discover two things. The technology of the day wouldn't alloy "fakery". Second, there was't time to fake the film.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
a. you haven't even watched the video series i posted for you; and
b. you're already declaring it null and void.
seems that YOU'RE the one with the problem buddy.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood No problem here. I was a believer in a "conspiracy" for many years. My view has changed after doing some of my own research that was far away form the agenda-driven conspiracy books.
By the way, which conspiracy do you subscribe to? There are dozens of them and too bad for the CT'ers; All of the theories can't be correct. That means most of them are wrong.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 They had at least 2 days to alter the film. Merely removing frames would hide a complete stop. Notice how close the secret service car gets!
tregoj1 1 month ago
@tregoj1 Absolutely wrong! They did not have 2 days to alter the film. The film was developed and copies were made the same day as the assassination.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
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@LoneNutter1 "Absolutely wrong! They did not have 2 days to alter the film. The film was developed and copies were made the same day as the assassination."
Absolute rubbish! Be mature, reasoned and rational!
MrTroIIol 1 month ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood You comparing apples to torque wrenches. There was forensic evidence on the body of the dead child that lead investigators to Casey Anthony. The same holds true with the JFK assassination. The medical, forensic, ballistic and physical evidence does two things; It tells investigators where to look and where not to look. It tells them what to look for and it tells them what not to look for. CT'ers are obsessed in looking in the wrong direction for the wrong stuff.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood CT'ers remind me of the story of the man who lost his house keys in his back yard at night but looks for them in the front yard under a streetlight claiming the light is better in the front yard. You guys tell some interesting and entertaining tales about the assassination but you have a depressing lack of evidence to support any of them.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
You're not doing your case any favors by responding to my arguments with weak generalizations backed up by nothing but your opinion.
The Z film has been altered. Do some research on YouTube. The evidence is abundant and obvious.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood The Z-film has not been altered for the following reasons;
1. Zapruder had the possession of the film and the camera before it was developed
2.The film was developed and 4 copies were made immediately afterwards
3. There was no technology available at the time to make the "alterations".
4. All the other film footage and still photos taken in Dealey Plaza would have to be confiscated, altered to match the "altered" Z-film.
The Z-film alteration story is foolishness.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
You haven't done your homework.
watch?v=dvLW3IBHHvA
There are many others.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
That's where you're wrong. As a former conspiracy believer I'm well informed of the many "theories" behind the assassination. The Z-film alteration story is another in the long line of deceptions dumped onto unsuspecting, trusting and uninformed people (like me one upon a time). These deceivers are interested in only making money and the "search for the truth" is a false promise. The Z-film fable is easily debunked.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
You didn't watch the video series, did you.
The easiest proof of alteration is the gap between the first appearance of the lead motorcycles and the sudden jump (indicating an edit) to the presidential limo.
Zapruder has said that he never stopped filming from the moment the lead motorcycles rounded the corner of elm.
That is only one of some 30+ examples of alteration of the original film.
Your sweeping generalizations of "easily debunked" carry ZERO weight.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
So you're willing to accept the fact that ALL of the movies and still photos taken in Dealey Plaza were altered so they would be in agreement with the altered Z-Film?
You're willing to accept the fact that every piece of film was confiscated, altered and returned to the proper owner without anyone becoming suspicious?
You're willing to accept the fact that ALL the photos taken by the press that day were altered as well?
Logistically it would be impossible to accomplish.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1
You're running away from my argument.
TRY WATCHING THE VIDEO SERIES YOU LAZY DICKHEAD.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
You're deliberately avoiding my questions for good reason. You're belief in the Z-film alteration is an argument built on gasps and sips of air. The logistics alone to confiscate ALL of the film and photos shot in Dealey Plaza, alter them so they agree with the fudged Z-film is totally absurd.
All of you conspiracy theorists always seem to resort to profanities and personal insults. You act like playground bullies when your beliefs are revealed for their foolishness.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
When, where and to whom did Zapruder say that he never stopped filming?
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
JFK had TWO bullet wounds in the back and an entrance wound in the front throat. A doctor at Parkland described the wound in the throat as an entrance wound. He pointed out the ring of tissue irritation surrounding the wound as a tell-tail sign of an entrance wound. The size of the wound was the size of a bullet. The bullet never exited Kennedy's body.
Those are facts pal.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
The 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA differ with your explanation of where JFK was struck. All 9 of them said there is no medical evidence of the president being struck from the front or side. They said he was struck by two shots that came from above and behind. The ballistic, physical and forensic evidence back this up. Your opinion of a bullet not exiting the president is blatantly wrong. Besides, some of your CT'er brethren say the shot exited the back of his head.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
So I'm curious how you come to grips with this major difference between you and some of your fellow conspiracy thinkers. Why is your explanation of entrance/exit wounds (or lack of them) correct and their's wrong?
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood Balderdash! The presidential limo NEVER came to a stop!
I'm amazed how someone can blindly accept the crap that some pro conspiracy author wrote without questioning the veracity of information!
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
These are the words of Jean Hill at the end of her WC testimony "Well, I know, I have always been rather---I mean, it's not something you are you are not proud to say it, but I think it was part of history and I was glad I was there, but because I got publicity, because I think my children will be interested to know that someday that I was in it someway".
Imagine that; Jean Hill pleased because she got publicity. That's all she wanted. Fame. She got it at the expense of the truth.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
"This first thing I wanted to do is get those people in Oklahoma told about it".
What? No claims of having her arm twisted by government agents and hustled off to a room to be pressured by the same unknown government people?
Jean Hill is one of those people we all know that wants to be the first person who'll tell others what "big news" they have. Does she looked threatened? Does she look like she's saying things against her will? Does she sound tense, confused, upset? Pressured?
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
The CIA did it. The mountains of disinfo and lies that they subsequently pumped into the media afterwards prove it. Straight out of the intelligence handbook. The person(s) who fired the gun(s) is almost irrelevant. Funny how as soon as the movie JFK came out, we were bombarded by books about what a drug-addicted womanizer JFK supposedly was. It wasn't bad enough that they brutally murdered him; they then had to slander him, as well. And not one Secret Service agent was fired...
LongLiveOx 8 months ago 11
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@LongLiveOx That's a nice story but there's no evidence to support it.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
@LongLiveOx Exactly.And the icing on the cake - after publicly blowing his brains out all over his wife, assassinating his character as well. He was human, and Papa Joe taught his son's this behavior. This is CIA 101 - cover-up and leave just enough crumbs to run everyone in a thousand directions. And get away with murder(s), because Oswald. Ruby, Mary Pinchot Meyer and other witnesses magically died too.
bumcheek7 5 months ago 2
@LongLiveOx
just like 9/11, people within the US government assisted with the operation however it was Israel's Mossad which initiated the operation.
JFK wanted to investigate Israel's Nuclear plant called Dimona. Israel would have none of that!
the book FINAL JUDGEMENT breaks the entire operation down
also a BBC documentary called ISRAEL's Secret Weapon dives into the subject matter
lastly, Gaddafi prior to being targeted by the powers that be had a speech where he stated this fact!
theTRUTHprincess 4 months ago 11
@theTRUTHprincess agreed agreed, perfectly true and well said. we need more smoking gun proof though as even piper says he got no smoking gun evidence. this tyranical devil must go!
mikefan09 3 months ago
@mikefan09
here is all the proof you need in the world:
NO OTHER CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION HAS THE ABILITY to cover up their crimes by deceiving us in the mainstream media (including hollywood and the book publishing houses) the way ZIONISTS do!!!
I mean think about it, EVERY other "theory"; whether its CIA or mafia has been given "air time" in the mainstream media! But the one that makes most sense after careful investigation is treated as TABOO... just like 9/11, USS Liberty, Lavon Affair, WWII
theTRUTHprincess 3 months ago
@theTRUTHprincess well said sir. now how we gonna get this devil breed and their ingenious, mighty powerful network!?
mikefan09 3 months ago
@theTRUTHprincess
Israel isn't responsible for everything in the world. In 1963 they were still trying to defend their country from Pan-Arab attack...no peace treaties. They were occupied elsewhere. Secondly, Gaddafi said alot of crazy things, siting him doesn't count for much
johalieb1 1 week ago
The reason no one worried about her is right here in this interview - she's "just a house wife".
shagster1970 8 months ago
here's what Truman had to say in December '63, one month after JFK's assassination:
"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government....I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations."
rangercreed06 9 months ago 2
@rangercreed06 And that is evidence of what?
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
It's well established in the psychological literature that eyewitness testimony is horribly inaccurate.This is a great example of that. The human brain processes information a lot differently under high stress.
univibe23 9 months ago
It isn't surprising that she would have some facts wrong since she just witnessed such a horrible event. It all happened so fast and you are left to remember what you think you saw. Nearly every aspect of her testimony was unfortunately wrong. The value of her testimony is simply this: She saw the president shot, and heard Jackie yell. Further than that, not much value.
Moralityman 10 months ago
@Moralityman
Well if you watch the zapruder film, she's not even looking at the president at all!!!
captainkavern 9 months ago
the limo actually accelerated after the shots as it should have.
cunnidvd 10 months ago
goes to show how wrong eyewitnesses can be. no dog. the motorcade did not stop. she could see the expression on his face but didn't notice his brains flying all over. can her recollection of the number of shots be accurate. given the severe trauma of the incident her account is pretty good.
cunnidvd 10 months ago
@cunnidvd There was a white doll and flowers in the car. No big deal. No big deal at all. She saw him get shot, she heard the shots. She saw him grasp his chest or throat. All consistent with getting shot from the front.
manofsteel564 9 months ago
@manofsteel564 that's right, the FRONT. not from the side where Oswald was, supposedly.
AndyJackson1776 8 months ago
@manofsteel564 Are we to presume you've done research on how people react when they've been shot? Do people regularly grab the area on their body where they've been shot?
Jean Hill testified she saw a white dog in the presidential limo. There was no dog. You say there was a doll. There was no doll or "Lambchop" sock puppet either. And you say it's "no big deal"? It's a big deal because Jean Hill saw things that weren't there.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Again, because eye witnesses are not reliable, unless someone is trained in what to look for. Even though, the corruption of memories begins right at the time of witnessing a crime.
iamlost2 6 months ago
@iamlost2 You are correct! Ear and eyewitness testimony is likely to be inaccurate regardless of the passage of time. That is why we rely on medical, ballistic and physical evidence to help solve crimes. They are the most reliable, they don't have agendas, they don't have changing memories and they can be tested and examined by future generations. Eye and ear witness testimony can't do this.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@manofsteel564 She also said she did things when the photographic evidence shows she didn't. Jean Hill is not a good witness because she gets things wrong and is easily confused. To brush off her errors as "no big deal" is questionable. Would you be just as forgiving with someone who witnessed Oswald in the act of shooting the president who made errors in their testimony?
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
@LoneNutter1 most eye witnesses are not reliable - unless they are trained in it. That is, the longer they are from the event. Recent research shows that when more memories are resurrected into consciousness (or awareness), the more corrupt memories become. That's what the interrogators do, they want you to be certain for either a conviction or story. The more someone is sure, the more distorted their memory is. Especially watching a traumatic event where you believe your life was in danger,
iamlost2 6 months ago
Will she MUST be mistaken like ALL of the other people who heard or saw something other than 3 shots be fired. Curious how all of those people are mistaken or confused or whatever....
Autshot20 10 months ago
she talks about hearing maybe 5 or six shots..but in the Warren report they only mention 3..the truth will come out one daY
bobeagle007 11 months ago
I think Jean Hill was insane. This seemed to be nothing but a moment for her to get into the limelight.
IwshIcldstrtover 11 months ago
Jim Marrs a "flake?" He's been teaching a class on the JFK assassination at a college in Texas since 1978 and researching since it happened when he was a reporter in Dallas. He knows his stuff. Stone's JFK was based on his book. In spite of government balking, more inquiry and FOIA requests were processed. Nobody believes the government, text-book approved conspiracy--Oswald did it all by his lonesome .There is a photo of Bush I (head of the CIA since 1960) on the steps of the book depository.
Charlotte9909 1 year ago
@Charlotte9909 yo, we have pretty similar views on this, jim marrs just isn't my favorite assassination researcher, thats all. I own crossfire, i know jfk was based on it, i know about poppy at the depository, you are acting like i said i believe the warren commission or something... far from it.
RapedByRepublicans 11 months ago
@RapedByRepublicans
Understood.
Charlotte9909 11 months ago
@Charlotte9909 Here's something I like you to do. Go to Amazon and do a search of books and type in the name Jim Marrs.
Look at all the titles of the books he's written and the subject matter.
See if you notice a common theme among all the books.
Then ask yourself "Does this repeating theme make sense"?
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
she has been proved a liar on so many points & occasions...
grettoz 1 year ago
Recommended reading ;ULTIMATE SACRIFICE by Lamar Waldron
grapper6676 1 year ago
Folks, this "mysterious deaths" allegation was proven wrong, long ago. Anyway, some of these "witnesses" use it as a reason why the didn't come forward sooner....but the "suspicious deaths" story didn't appear until 1966...why didn't they come forward before 1966? They had almost three years!
sudaev 1 year ago
@sudaev well, i don't know about the whole jim marrs mysterious deaths (he's kind of a flake and all), but lee bowers wife blurted out, in an interview, "they told him not to say anything". also, rose cheramie could've been a hit I find the deaths around the time of the HSCA much more compelling though Johnny Roselli,Sam Giancana,David Morales,William Harvey,Charles Nicoletti, and George de Mohrenschildt (there is allegedly an audio tape where you can hear the "suicide" shot then somone leave
RapedByRepublicans 1 year ago
I do not understand why Hill gets criticised for this version of what happened when it was made on the 22nd Nov - what motive do her critics suggest she had for inventing it or lying ?
backthisway 1 year ago
Specter What was your impression as to the source of the 2nd group of shots which you have described as the 4th, perhaps the 5th, and perhaps the 6th shot? Hill: I thought that they were fired by someone else. And did you have any idea where they were coming from?Hill: I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
TrueNovice 1 year ago
I don't have a problem with the "3 or 4 more shots" fired almost simultaneously since I don't know how to account for all the wounds on JFK and Connolly otherwise--not with one bullet a total miss and Connolly always testifying that he heard a shot, turned and saw KFK was hit, and then got hot himself by another shot.
mcmchugh99 1 year ago