Man, some of you guys need to pull your head out of your arses and respect other peoples styles. This is the correct way to do this pattern as it was taught. It has been changed over the years. The 3 Rhee brothers who started teaching in Australia in the 60's teach these hyungs and still teach it this way. No sine wave. Who is right ? Who cares. I enjoy learning it and teaching it the way it was originally taught. As for the guy that stated No Sign Wave = No Taekwondo? WTF, Piss off dick head.
within every dojang we say out loud, Ye Ui / 예의 and Guk Gi / 극기. Forget the sine wave or hip twist movement, disgard first or current instructor, examine what you see and reply correctly. Now as Martial Artist's or TKD'ers, there is only thing that i believe is incorrect.
if you throw a powerful side kick at MIDDLE section as shown in the video (either leg), you opponent will not be there for a knife side strike. times have changed, some people have, others haven't.
you can see the power in his moves which is unusual in any youtube ITF video. My favoritte part might be his knife hand strike following the kick.
You can also see on his simultaneous midsection inner forearm block/ low section "block" that the low section "block" is actually a correctly performed punch (which is almost never seen done correctly on youtube)
It is impressive indeed and he is obviously experienced and of champion caliber. Our school teaches back stances for some of the movements and I noticed his feet were always the same even for the double low block at the end of each half. I guess it's just another small difference from school to school.
depending on the organization it could be right or not. ITF emphasizes sine wave motions as the source of power of the strikes by using the body weight. No sine wave = no taekwondo. That is the main and most important difference between TKD and karate. This is wrong due to the ITF that has headquarters in vienna. It may be right in other organizations.
I would love to see you do Toi-Gye since I can't find many without the sine wave and weird breathing sounds. I'm almost positive this is the same style we do. This is very rare to see. Great job awsome power please post more videos.
This is the style of ITF Taekwon-Do that I study also! Its very hard to find other schools that still pratice the very old Shotokan influenced ITF schools any more. Saddly this style is dying off but its good to see that it still exists in other parts of the world.
Do you still preform your hyungs like this or have you transfered to the sign wave style? Any time I show people my Hyungs they tell me im doing it wrong and that it looks to "Japanese". I prefer the natural body motion that the sign wave but both are nice to watch if done correctly
Yea I do. Very Japanese feel. I don't do the sine wave and I understand the bouncing but I rather stick to twisting my hips and shoulders into a punch. Looks and feel more powerful.
As it has been stated before theese are the way Patterns were taught by Grandmaster Rhee Ki Ha BEFORE the introdction of sine wave in the eary 80's. There was no sine wave until around 1984.
Sorry I was not aware of this, I myself train under Grand Master Rhee today & patterns are so more different now, its amazing what sine-wave can do for power, thats whats sets us apart from other Martial Arts, are you still training?
@TKDchief within every dojang we say out loud, Ye Ui / 예의 and Guk Gi / 극기. Forget the sine wave or hip twist movement, disgard first or current instructor, examine what you see and reply correctly. Now as Martial Artist's or TKD'ers, there is only thing that i believe is incorrect.
if you throw a powerful side kick at MIDDLE section as shown in the video (either leg), you opponent will not be there for a knife side strike. times have changed, some people have, others haven't.
They were led astray from the very beginning. Gen Choi didnt know what he was doin after all he only had a 1st dan! Who did he get a 5th dan from? Who he get his 6th dan from? NO ONE!!!
Where is the sine-wave, why is your head facing forwards when ur doing a side facing attack, where is the rhythm?? if these were corret ITF pattenrns I would not be asking these questions, think of the application before doing a pattern, the ckeckling kick is supposed to be checking a kick, therefore, stopping their knee from extending, whoever's knee ur attacking they must 8 ft tall, other rhan that....well it still technically incorrect,
I agree there is no sinewave, which is what makes TKD different from any other martial art, and generates the power. Also some of the movements he is performing are wrong and at a high tempo.
Fair dues to the guy if he was a champion but I wouldn't want people looking at this video and thinking this is a representation of TKD. Watch SUSKA (Polish 5th Degree) to see how it should be done properly.
If you are referring to the sinewave when used in patterns it is deliberately slowed down to show where and what you are attacking and blocking with, an exaggeration. As for sparring, sinewave is the bending motion of the knees (knee-spring), can you move freely without bending your knees? No. Generate power from your hip with out bending your knees? No. Therefore sinewave is used in sparring: jumping, spinning being the best example of these movements.
that's not the same principle used in the forms, not as exagerated. i particulary do not like the fact that is deliberately slowed down. that's ok for lower ranks but not for black belts. it's just a matter of taste i guess.
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Not only is it a sure way to lose a tournament, but this display of po-eun is a sure way to lose a tournament.
now im only a blue stripe, But EVERYONE in tae-kwon do should know that a fundemental for paterns is SINE WAVE, and SOLID MOVEMENT. the two parts, where he does several moves is ment to be like that, but each movement in the other parts should be seperate from eachother.
well chap u have proven ur a blue stripe by saying that - this video was recorded c1985/6 during which time the ITF had only just introduced sine wave. ALL of ITF style TKD patterns were performed with hip twist due to the influence of shotokan before 1984 and to this day in the TAGB this continues as their instructors were second generation UKTA. one minor point - as a junior grade why do u think you are an expert at a pattern 3 grades above your own?
po-eun is the sure way to lose a competition, its ugly a crab like formula cuz you only move from side to side...try it in a competition you're sure to lose, ge-baek and hwang-gae show more display of skill
also on another note, if in each diferent clud there is a "world champion" or a "european champion" then this is far from the truth in every way, i am speaking of how the person only becomes the "champion" from that group only! and therefore is not truly a champion, until they have faced every single wiling person from ALL of the diferent orginisation.
i believe roxas is one of the people who left a coment on here, who does actually know wut we are talking about, i also believe that he/she has made a good point about wut ppl should believe, but i do like to hilight something used in the coment "bastardised imitation" i believe this is very true.
I'm TAGB. Although we arent taught to use Sine Wave it all depends on the individual. We are encouraged to use Hip Twist to help generate power and thought i havnt been taught to use Sine Wave, i still implement a modified version of it along with hip twist in my patterns. I'm very open minded as to the different types of power generation. Every1 is individual and can perform patterns the way that suits them most.
Its true that General Choi used sign wave, but the itf style has sort of exaggerated it a bit is all, im TAGB and i don't think its wrong and i can make it work
you dont see any sine wave when the itf do free sparring. why? because it is slow and no use for practical application. OTHERWISE BOXERS WOULD DO IT. it is only for linework and patterns which are very stylised. it looks god awful too
po-eun is such a cool pattern its definately my fave. every style of tae kwondo is good as long as the person trains hard in it. this guy looks really good to me
funny if itf sinewave is so lackluster of power why is it that the itf have the best destruction track record?? allso it is impossible to prove that sinewave doesnot i repeat doesnot work ,,if you can disprove gravity you can disprove sine wave. also why are the tagb trying to get involved in itf??because they formed themselves at 2nd degree oh hang on did master oliver fail his itf 2nd degree
are so quick yo criticize the early videos of itf from the 70's which is completely different from what it is today in technique and the OMG no sine wave
iv got a few things to say about that. 1. i never sed i was taught by him, 2. i wasnt ever taught by him, 3. my instructor trained under him 8 years ago and is teaching me now, and finaly 4. i have been taught the same way by 2 different instructors who both trained under general choi hong hi at one point.
international taekwon-do federation book which was written by the great general choi hong hi himself so u are pretty much saying that the guy who invented taekwon-do doesnt know wut he is speaking about even though he does and u are just trying to sound like a smart ass,
I'm very glad that honesty and modesty are such a strong part of your training regimen. I'm sure your instructors are proud.
By the way, how was General Choi doing back when he was personally training you? That was, what, about 5 years ago when he was busy dying of cancer in South Korea?
the way i was taught this pattern was properly done by the original grand master (general choi hong hi) who actually invented the pattern so if u would like to argue about this than i suggest u buy fifth edition of
Be aware that different branches, and even just different schools, have different styles. Entire branches do not use sine wave at all; some use slow movements here or fast movements there.
Feel free to evaluate his technique and even decide what you'd do instead. But it's impertinent to classify what he does as "mistakes". The man you see here is performing a phenomenal pattern, with an incredible amount of power and confidence in each movement.
i do tae kwon do and i can see alot of things he is doing wrong even though i am a recent black belt graduate, his soundwave is out the window almost, wen he does his movements he shouldnt be thundering along on the floor and wen he is doing is middle section double elbow strike its meant to be slow motion
signwave is how smoothly a person moves between the movements, in other words u head should move smoothly up and down like a wave and not like a row of spike, this man never used signwave but he moved his arms in a way that makes him almost look like he is using signwave. considering im only 14 and still a recent black belt graduate even i notice the mistakes made
Hi, if you are as you say a recent black belt, then I'm sure you're aware that not all TKD styles have signed up to frankly the ridiculous sign wave that lacks any power. And more to the point Ray Smeathers is an ex world patterns champion, so for you, a 14 year old, to say that you can see mistakes are actually rather funny. Respect your style, and keep your rubbish opinions to yourself
Are you aware that the ORIGINAL TKD style created by GM Choi uses sinewave? Any style that doesn't use it is a "bastardised imitation" of true TKD (as some would call it). Do you really think being rigid is the way to create power? Do you expect speed and strength if your tense muscles are slowing you down? Anyone who describes someone else's opinions as "rubbish" is not a true practitioner of the art. You think you know a lot about TKD. Perhaps you should research TKD etiquette.
funny if itf sinewave is so lackluster of power why is it that the itf have the best destruction track record?? allso it is impossible to prove that sinewave doesnot i repeat doesnot work ,,if you can disprove gravity you can disprove sine wave. also why are the tagb trying to get involved in itf??because you cant make it work doesnt mean it doesnt
Man, some of you guys need to pull your head out of your arses and respect other peoples styles. This is the correct way to do this pattern as it was taught. It has been changed over the years. The 3 Rhee brothers who started teaching in Australia in the 60's teach these hyungs and still teach it this way. No sine wave. Who is right ? Who cares. I enjoy learning it and teaching it the way it was originally taught. As for the guy that stated No Sign Wave = No Taekwondo? WTF, Piss off dick head.
bitofluck 11 months ago
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within every dojang we say out loud, Ye Ui / 예의 and Guk Gi / 극기. Forget the sine wave or hip twist movement, disgard first or current instructor, examine what you see and reply correctly. Now as Martial Artist's or TKD'ers, there is only thing that i believe is incorrect.
if you throw a powerful side kick at MIDDLE section as shown in the video (either leg), you opponent will not be there for a knife side strike. times have changed, some people have, others haven't.
tkd14wilson 1 year ago
Oh, it's so pretty it hurts.
catchthesun15 1 year ago
you can see the power in his moves which is unusual in any youtube ITF video. My favoritte part might be his knife hand strike following the kick.
You can also see on his simultaneous midsection inner forearm block/ low section "block" that the low section "block" is actually a correctly performed punch (which is almost never seen done correctly on youtube)
captnpepsi 1 year ago
this is OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD taekwondo general choi change all movements many years ago
griecotkd 1 year ago
i am a black belt, and i dnt wanna try to learn po-eun.
almost every black belt that i train with says that its hard, and they know every form white belt up with ease.
po-eun scares me.
lol
Skaterman123456789 1 year ago
this is the original way general choi teached
Kwon85 2 years ago
good.This is great a great representation of this pattern and his style.
2ninja4 2 years ago
I practise ITF Taekwon-Do and have 1.dan. Is it just me or isn't he perfroming Po-Eun way to fast, and without sinus curves?
I am just felt that it somehow was wrong...
lehn93 2 years ago
It's not wrong. This was performed in a pre ITF sine wave era and in any case is according to TAGB style, i.e. no sine wave.
cestrian12 2 years ago
It is impressive indeed and he is obviously experienced and of champion caliber. Our school teaches back stances for some of the movements and I noticed his feet were always the same even for the double low block at the end of each half. I guess it's just another small difference from school to school.
jnsispec 2 years ago
itf world champion? kicks are too high, sitting stance too wide, legs too straight..not that much power....probably due to no sinewave
what
h0rangi 2 years ago
hOrangi, Kicks and stance seem correct to me. You must be one of those sinewave fanatics who think everyone else is wrong.
I bet this guy would kick your ass.
UthinkImeNuts 2 years ago
depending on the organization it could be right or not. ITF emphasizes sine wave motions as the source of power of the strikes by using the body weight. No sine wave = no taekwondo. That is the main and most important difference between TKD and karate. This is wrong due to the ITF that has headquarters in vienna. It may be right in other organizations.
rauldeva 2 years ago
This a a fantastic show of power and technique, very impressive indeed.
I'm very surprised to see any negative posts to this display, for one of the rudest my reply is this.
bananasrgd,
As you have now had an extra year or two to get your technique correct, how about a video of you doing this pattern.
I won't hold my breath in anticipation.
Reposted due to unfair spam reporting, looks like I may have upset someone, ummm, now who could that be, Bananasrgd perhaps?
WideOwideO 2 years ago 5
Excellent power! I enjoyed watching this demonstration.
oneontatkd 3 years ago
I would love to see you do Toi-Gye since I can't find many without the sine wave and weird breathing sounds. I'm almost positive this is the same style we do. This is very rare to see. Great job awsome power please post more videos.
3clGTX 3 years ago
wow i like this i will support u make more vids i will
amitshima 3 years ago
This is the style of ITF Taekwon-Do that I study also! Its very hard to find other schools that still pratice the very old Shotokan influenced ITF schools any more. Saddly this style is dying off but its good to see that it still exists in other parts of the world.
ninjastorm 3 years ago 2
Tru. I know my school does the influenced forms of shotokan. There do seem to be a lot of sine wave patterns on the web though.
RDraGon2179 3 years ago
Do you still preform your hyungs like this or have you transfered to the sign wave style? Any time I show people my Hyungs they tell me im doing it wrong and that it looks to "Japanese". I prefer the natural body motion that the sign wave but both are nice to watch if done correctly
ninjastorm 3 years ago
Yea I do. Very Japanese feel. I don't do the sine wave and I understand the bouncing but I rather stick to twisting my hips and shoulders into a punch. Looks and feel more powerful.
RDraGon2179 3 years ago
not bad for an ITF blsck belt who has been led astray by intructors who are intrested in making money from thier students and federation
CDavisukta 3 years ago
As it has been stated before theese are the way Patterns were taught by Grandmaster Rhee Ki Ha BEFORE the introdction of sine wave in the eary 80's. There was no sine wave until around 1984.
themadhoose 3 years ago 3
Sorry I was not aware of this, I myself train under Grand Master Rhee today & patterns are so more different now, its amazing what sine-wave can do for power, thats whats sets us apart from other Martial Arts, are you still training?
CDavisukta 3 years ago
what are you on about mate,
im in that sasosiation and for £30 a mounth, i can train 6 days a week and atend any sessions i like.
ddandbd 3 years ago
@CDavisukta what a typical and ignorant opinion from another 'modern martial artist'
TKDchief 1 year ago
@TKDchief within every dojang we say out loud, Ye Ui / 예의 and Guk Gi / 극기. Forget the sine wave or hip twist movement, disgard first or current instructor, examine what you see and reply correctly. Now as Martial Artist's or TKD'ers, there is only thing that i believe is incorrect.
if you throw a powerful side kick at MIDDLE section as shown in the video (either leg), you opponent will not be there for a knife side strike. times have changed, some people have, others haven't.
tkd14wilson 1 year ago
@CDavisukta
They were led astray from the very beginning. Gen Choi didnt know what he was doin after all he only had a 1st dan! Who did he get a 5th dan from? Who he get his 6th dan from? NO ONE!!!
Kinghercules 1 year ago
Where is the sine-wave, why is your head facing forwards when ur doing a side facing attack, where is the rhythm?? if these were corret ITF pattenrns I would not be asking these questions, think of the application before doing a pattern, the ckeckling kick is supposed to be checking a kick, therefore, stopping their knee from extending, whoever's knee ur attacking they must 8 ft tall, other rhan that....well it still technically incorrect,
CDavisukta 3 years ago
I agree there is no sinewave, which is what makes TKD different from any other martial art, and generates the power. Also some of the movements he is performing are wrong and at a high tempo.
Fair dues to the guy if he was a champion but I wouldn't want people looking at this video and thinking this is a representation of TKD. Watch SUSKA (Polish 5th Degree) to see how it should be done properly.
funkytkdmonkey 3 years ago
it probably generates more power but it is also slower. do you use sinewave when sparring?
hgratp 3 years ago
If you are referring to the sinewave when used in patterns it is deliberately slowed down to show where and what you are attacking and blocking with, an exaggeration. As for sparring, sinewave is the bending motion of the knees (knee-spring), can you move freely without bending your knees? No. Generate power from your hip with out bending your knees? No. Therefore sinewave is used in sparring: jumping, spinning being the best example of these movements.
funkytkdmonkey 3 years ago
that's not the same principle used in the forms, not as exagerated. i particulary do not like the fact that is deliberately slowed down. that's ok for lower ranks but not for black belts. it's just a matter of taste i guess.
hgratp 3 years ago
excellent.
marzipanjoy 3 years ago
Good pattern but its a shame he's busy looking at the camera instead of where he's going when he's blocking.
jcba1122334455 4 years ago
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Not only is it a sure way to lose a tournament, but this display of po-eun is a sure way to lose a tournament.
now im only a blue stripe, But EVERYONE in tae-kwon do should know that a fundemental for paterns is SINE WAVE, and SOLID MOVEMENT. the two parts, where he does several moves is ment to be like that, but each movement in the other parts should be seperate from eachother.
lamamba 4 years ago
well chap u have proven ur a blue stripe by saying that - this video was recorded c1985/6 during which time the ITF had only just introduced sine wave. ALL of ITF style TKD patterns were performed with hip twist due to the influence of shotokan before 1984 and to this day in the TAGB this continues as their instructors were second generation UKTA. one minor point - as a junior grade why do u think you are an expert at a pattern 3 grades above your own?
tomatito1981 4 years ago 5
po-eun is the sure way to lose a competition, its ugly a crab like formula cuz you only move from side to side...try it in a competition you're sure to lose, ge-baek and hwang-gae show more display of skill
neon90424 4 years ago
This guy is good old school, pity he left tagb.
tkdgaz 4 years ago 2
im sooo much better than that
hennerZtheoneandonly 4 years ago
Looks good.
LiveOakMartialArts 4 years ago
also on another note, if in each diferent clud there is a "world champion" or a "european champion" then this is far from the truth in every way, i am speaking of how the person only becomes the "champion" from that group only! and therefore is not truly a champion, until they have faced every single wiling person from ALL of the diferent orginisation.
bananasrgd 4 years ago
i believe roxas is one of the people who left a coment on here, who does actually know wut we are talking about, i also believe that he/she has made a good point about wut ppl should believe, but i do like to hilight something used in the coment "bastardised imitation" i believe this is very true.
bananasrgd 4 years ago
I'm TAGB. Although we arent taught to use Sine Wave it all depends on the individual. We are encouraged to use Hip Twist to help generate power and thought i havnt been taught to use Sine Wave, i still implement a modified version of it along with hip twist in my patterns. I'm very open minded as to the different types of power generation. Every1 is individual and can perform patterns the way that suits them most.
TKD960 4 years ago
Its true that General Choi used sign wave, but the itf style has sort of exaggerated it a bit is all, im TAGB and i don't think its wrong and i can make it work
Rosarlice 4 years ago
you dont see any sine wave when the itf do free sparring. why? because it is slow and no use for practical application. OTHERWISE BOXERS WOULD DO IT. it is only for linework and patterns which are very stylised. it looks god awful too
bufantas 4 years ago 2
po-eun is such a cool pattern its definately my fave. every style of tae kwondo is good as long as the person trains hard in it. this guy looks really good to me
mikedd1234 5 years ago
Whats Dave olivers grading record got to do with Mr smeathers on the video? Mr Smeathers was taught by rhee ki ha and bob howe
themadhoose 5 years ago
funny if itf sinewave is so lackluster of power why is it that the itf have the best destruction track record?? allso it is impossible to prove that sinewave doesnot i repeat doesnot work ,,if you can disprove gravity you can disprove sine wave. also why are the tagb trying to get involved in itf??because they formed themselves at 2nd degree oh hang on did master oliver fail his itf 2nd degree
ahumanweapon 5 years ago
are so quick yo criticize the early videos of itf from the 70's which is completely different from what it is today in technique and the OMG no sine wave
themadhoose 5 years ago 2
iv got a few things to say about that. 1. i never sed i was taught by him, 2. i wasnt ever taught by him, 3. my instructor trained under him 8 years ago and is teaching me now, and finaly 4. i have been taught the same way by 2 different instructors who both trained under general choi hong hi at one point.
bananasrgd 5 years ago
international taekwon-do federation book which was written by the great general choi hong hi himself so u are pretty much saying that the guy who invented taekwon-do doesnt know wut he is speaking about even though he does and u are just trying to sound like a smart ass,
bananasrgd 5 years ago
I'm very glad that honesty and modesty are such a strong part of your training regimen. I'm sure your instructors are proud.
By the way, how was General Choi doing back when he was personally training you? That was, what, about 5 years ago when he was busy dying of cancer in South Korea?
klerulo 5 years ago
the way i was taught this pattern was properly done by the original grand master (general choi hong hi) who actually invented the pattern so if u would like to argue about this than i suggest u buy fifth edition of
bananasrgd 5 years ago
(For the record, it's "sine wave".)
Be aware that different branches, and even just different schools, have different styles. Entire branches do not use sine wave at all; some use slow movements here or fast movements there.
Feel free to evaluate his technique and even decide what you'd do instead. But it's impertinent to classify what he does as "mistakes". The man you see here is performing a phenomenal pattern, with an incredible amount of power and confidence in each movement.
klerulo 5 years ago 3
i do tae kwon do and i can see alot of things he is doing wrong even though i am a recent black belt graduate, his soundwave is out the window almost, wen he does his movements he shouldnt be thundering along on the floor and wen he is doing is middle section double elbow strike its meant to be slow motion
bananasrgd 5 years ago
i agree with you there, but one question, ive noticed the term "signwave" used here often, what is it?
dmd1105 5 years ago
signwave is how smoothly a person moves between the movements, in other words u head should move smoothly up and down like a wave and not like a row of spike, this man never used signwave but he moved his arms in a way that makes him almost look like he is using signwave. considering im only 14 and still a recent black belt graduate even i notice the mistakes made
bananasrgd 5 years ago
Hi, if you are as you say a recent black belt, then I'm sure you're aware that not all TKD styles have signed up to frankly the ridiculous sign wave that lacks any power. And more to the point Ray Smeathers is an ex world patterns champion, so for you, a 14 year old, to say that you can see mistakes are actually rather funny. Respect your style, and keep your rubbish opinions to yourself
dazsowden 5 years ago
Are you aware that the ORIGINAL TKD style created by GM Choi uses sinewave? Any style that doesn't use it is a "bastardised imitation" of true TKD (as some would call it). Do you really think being rigid is the way to create power? Do you expect speed and strength if your tense muscles are slowing you down? Anyone who describes someone else's opinions as "rubbish" is not a true practitioner of the art. You think you know a lot about TKD. Perhaps you should research TKD etiquette.
Roxas13579 4 years ago
funny if itf sinewave is so lackluster of power why is it that the itf have the best destruction track record?? allso it is impossible to prove that sinewave doesnot i repeat doesnot work ,,if you can disprove gravity you can disprove sine wave. also why are the tagb trying to get involved in itf??because you cant make it work doesnt mean it doesnt
ahumanweapon 4 years ago
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This a a fantastic show of power and technique, very impressive indeed.
I'm very surprised to see any negative posts to this display, for one of the rudest my reply is this.
bananasrgd,
As you have now had an extra year or two to get your technique correct, how about a video of you doing this pattern.
I won't hold my breath in anticipation.
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WideOwideO 2 years ago
Very controlled! Explosive power too!
whaldawg 5 years ago
Yay TKD
Haasthefox 5 years ago
wow, pretty damn amazing their... TKD rocks! XD itf is the best..lol!
CeresLegend 5 years ago