Wow! If this is true he should go to the James Randi Foundation and preform the same miracle on another blind person under testning and win 1.000.000 $ that you can give to charity.
And that would be taking money from an ATHEIST and giving them to charity! =)
I wonder if he is up for the challange of helping people with 1.000.000 dollars or is this ALL FAKE?.....................................
When discussing this with you I have taken the simple man's approach, not that of the intellectual elite who think that thinking makes the world go round, man is not a brain, enslaved to his intellect that cannot halt disease, demons or death, I have a simple man's challenge that may be too much for your intellectual worldview, which is Jesus is alive and can change the circumstances without human understanding, such as your blind wife who can be healed if you will "ONLY BELIEVE!" Matt 5:36
Real Christianity is simple, Put up or Shut up! "God is and He rewards those who diligently seek Him" Hebrews 11:6, the Bible verse is self evident, it cannot be made evident in any other way than quote it and then do it and it will become plainly evident it is proven in the testing of it's claims to be backed by God Himself, if you REALLY WANT to know if God is then you need to follow the prescribed method He gives to mankind to ACTUALLY discover Him and His Rewards, no other tool can do it!
I cannot prove to such a learned man that God who made the brain is real, if you will not allow the possibility of God being and existing, then you cannot see the possibility and you will simply keep reciting your own mantra, "it's not possible, it's not possible.....", it's REALLY SIMPLE come to India AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, you WILL see miracles guaranteed!!! Now the onus of proof is on you being there to see the proof, I will provide it, because I know Jesus who does what His word says!
Amazing!! Why here is a wonderful thing, a lady who was born blind can now see and you cannot see it, for the majority of the human race who haven't twisted up their thinking with intellectual speculation and doubt instead of thought, a woman who couldnt see, now seeing, IS THE PROOF that she was healed, read the interaction between Jesus and the Pharisees in John chapters 8 to 10, Jesus "you who were blind can now see, and you who THINK they can see are blind", you think you can see here?!?
Red herring: discuss the video? No, "save my soul".
Proof by verbosity: instead of providing real evidence, you post bits of sermon.
And finally, misunderstanding the burden of proof. This is on the person making the claim, not the other way round. I needn't prove you didn't pray, or the woman could see before, or that she couldn't see afterwards. It is for you to prove it.
Please keep your pinkie off the SHIFT LOCK. Shouting doesn't impress anybody except (perhaps) congregations.
Finally, why does all this really matter? Jesus, whose identity & reality are here in question, has divinely judged all things that are perfect and imperfect, & as the Creator of said stuff has condemed all evil to hell, along with anything else that is less than perfect, hence the entire human race's need for a Saviour so perfect and complete that He not only was perfect, but gave His own perfection (Life) to us as a free gift, if not heaven with one imperfect person would soon become hell!
Knowing The REAL & LIVING God IS VITAL FOR SURVIVAL IN THE ETERNAL REALM (beyond this dimensional framework-read: outside of the known universe)THAT FOLLOWS DEATH! it is you who has so many statements to make about there being no God, and you spend so much time avoiding God instead of allowing the Truth to penetrate your flimsy intellectual shield, LIFE cannot be controlled by useless rhetoric and theorising speculation, it must be LIVED OUT AND EXPERIENCED or it remains untested & untrue!
I have a challenge for you anarchie76, come to India and Africa at the end of this year with me and you can sit right on the platform and see for yourself! I'll pay for all your expenses during your stay with us, and I guarantee you will see many miracles that satisfy David Hume's standard sufficently. November to December and maybe you can also assist in the orphanage we have set up, as well as the street ministry to those who live there, mum's with kids with nowhere to go, maybe you can help??
Rory, I am not qualified to assess your miracle claims. There are others much better able to do so than I.
Why not issue the same invitation to Dr Benjamin Radford, Dr Joe Nickell, or D J Grothe? They are more likely to be able to spare the time — which my professional duties preclude me from doing — and much better witnesses into the bargain.
Who? Qualifications are for men who think the universe can be limited and made finite by their own efforts or methods of learning, thinking and self comparison, God, who is UNKNOWABLE on the other hand, seeks to be KNOWN through self revelation.
I AM TALKING TO YOU & not these men about your eternal soul & the reality of God & ETERNITY, if you really are not qualified how is it you argue so much about what you don't know? This is your opportunity of a lifetime to see God and you're too busy???
You and YOUR followers make grandiose statements like there is no God, as if you knew EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW! isn't that the very essence of deception, you are so convinced of your own self righteousness, you are unable to examine, without bias, the possibilty of anything that disagrees with what you already believe, and here the reality of God's actual existence STARES YOU IN THE FACE AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS DENY IT!!!
Where is your humilty and wonder at what may just be God turning up!?!
Why do you need to resort to *ad hominem* instead of addressing the facts?
Hume's standard requires that "no testimony as to a miracle shall be accepted unless the falsehood of that testimony be less likely than the miracle".
Don't trickery, fakery, and fraudulent videos happen every day?
Do you really think this video passes Hume's test?
As for this: "no testimony as to a miracle shall be accepted unless the falsehood of that testimony be less likely than the miracle" I believe that liars go LITERALLY into a Lake of Fire for all Eternity. If my "testimony" is false I am condemning myself to that lake of fire, which I will never do! If I am deceived it is not for you to accuse me of, but to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you say is 100% true, the only other alternative is that I am, in fact, correct & HERE God is seen
"a violation of natural law — from a normal event...And your video does not meet it."
Really? I thought a woman with no eyes getting new eyes WAS A VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW, THE VERY THING DAVID HUME TOUTS AS THE EVIDENCE-HERE IT IS!! You say there was only one close up, that's all you need if you really wanted to know, you have all that it takes to believe, so what's the problem? David Hume's standard is fulfilled!
it would take a miracle for her to get cosmetic lenses, this is rural india!
I am not being sarcastic, simply amazed that an intelligent man such as yourself is so willing to overlook the obvious, to pounce on the banal rhetoric of men who don't see miracles ever! I am referring to atheists and others like them who simply wish to shut God out of the equation so they don't have to face Him!?!
"2. The easiest person to deceive is oneself. And you and your followers could all have been deceived yourselves; this kind of scam has been pulled in India for at least a century."
You want to apply this same comment to yourself?
What if you are the one who is wrong? and you are terribly deceived, eternally and terribly deceived, so that unlike the blind people who couldn't see but gained their sight, you wouldn't believe and will never see eternal light? only darkness and deadly doubt?
It didn't make news headlines, as most miracles don't, because then people would have to acknowledge that there is a God bigger than them and that might require a response that most people are not willing to make.
I was there with this lady before she got up on stage. When her friend brought her up to me, I checked & she had NO EYEBALLS. I double-checked to make sure. A short time later, while she was still standing with me, NEW EYEBALLS appeared. I saw the miracle happen right in front of me - no gimmicks, no conjuring, only the power of God creating life.
unfortunately for you anarchie76, you forget 3 things:
1. You dont know what constitutes the scientific proof for a miracle-so your opinion is flawed
2. The people praying for her (US) believe that liars go to hell-Revelation 21:8, so if they were paying people to deceive you they would be assigning themselves to hell, and I wont go to hell for you or anyone else!
3. The God Test is not scientific, even if He shows up for you, you wouldn't want to believe! You cannot see what you don't want to!
1. The scientific standard for proof of a miracle was established over 250 years ago, by David Hume in 'An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding'. And the event in this video does not meet it.
2. The easiest person to deceive is oneself. And you and your followers could all have been deceived yourselves; this kind of scam has been pulled in India for at least a century.
3. Nonsense. I didn't want to see the car that hit me when I was 11 and almost broke my leg. I did. It did!
Does David Hume work miracles? If you wanted your car fixed you wouldn't go to a dentist, if you wanted your tooth fixed you wouldn't go to a mechanic, so why would I accept the test of an inexperienced man over the reality of God, as for you "learned better" about "gods", I didn't know that you possessed ALL KNOWLEDGE so that such an ABSOLUTE STATEMENT could be made, YOU KNOW THERE ARE NO GODS!?! Amazing that you are the font of all revelation, oh I see now! Your intellect has become god!
David Hume works no more miracles than any other man who's been dead for 233 years. But he showed us how to distinguish a miracle — a violation of natural law — from a normal event. His standard of proof has stood unchallenged ever since.
And your video does not meet it.
As for my disbelief, it's open to proof by any god who cares to provide some. None has.
And finally, how come this "miracle" didn't hit the headlines all over the world?
My name is Reverend Rory Lennon and I am the minister in this video.
We went to India for the first time ever and did not know or have contact with these people until we were there. This area is a rural area and the people need all the help they can get.
It amazes me how people think they are superior in the west because they have science or intellectual advancement, but this does not mean you have the Truth.
Miracles BY DEFINITION do not occur because of SCIENTIFIC PROCESS, they are GOD GIVEN!
Science is interchangeable with the word Knowledge so Science is the INVESTIGATION OF THINGS, not criticism of what you don't know!, thus God defines science, not science defining God. God made ALL THINGS, so any scientist worth his salt will be seeking, not retreating from, discovery of the ultimate source of all life and existence.
We were not trying to give you scientific standard but faith hope & love! If this is true then God indeed exists, if it is not then you have no hope beyond death
Well, Rory — how much did you find out about India before going? Fraudsters in India have been pulling this trick for at least 70 years; the earliest reference I've found dates back to 1928.
People who have science may not have THE truth, but they have SOME truth. That's what the word means.
As for miracles occurring, whether given by a god or otherwise, unfortunately there is no evidence of any, EVER, that would pass David Hume's test.
Gods do not define science. Science is a human construct, and so are gods. The difference between them is that people are constantly trying to DISPROVE science, a keystone of the scientific method, but believers are constantly trying to PROVE their gods.
If you wish to persuade me and people like me that the events shown in the video were anything other than conjuring, you will have to do better. This is not even as convincing as David Hogan.
I was there actually and am the one who brang her up onto the stage. This is 100% super natural, meaning it SURPASSES our NATURAL order and thinking, because our God is SUPER!
There is NO evidence that would convince even a court of law, never mind scientific peer-revieved journals, that anything supernatural occurred. All that is shown is a cheap conjuring trick.
it's amazing how you can on one hand deny the evidence of an actual miracle, that doesn't require "scientific peer testing", just eyeballs that see, and on the other start quoting 'conjuring' as a valid alternative, do you believe in magic?
11 years ago I was beating the crap out of people on the door of a nightclub as a martial artist and bouncer who believed in nothing, and I was saved by an eye open vision of Jesus matching Rev ch1, that changed my life, does that need scientific review?
Ask any conjuror which is easier to fool: a hall full of people or a group of 3. This video is not proof of anything, except the gullibility of those that posted it.
As for your vision, hallucinations are a common phenomenon. 35 years ago I believed in gods and so on. I learned better. That was as a result of scientific review.
No ophthalmologist's report; only one blurred close-up "before" photo, which could be of anybody. No demonstration that the woman can actually see — a blind person can touch a nose by following a voice or detecting warmth with fingertips.
The demonstration could easily have been faked by the lady inserting cosmetic lenses, which have an impressively realistic appearance.
Wow! If this is true he should go to the James Randi Foundation and preform the same miracle on another blind person under testning and win 1.000.000 $ that you can give to charity.
And that would be taking money from an ATHEIST and giving them to charity! =)
I wonder if he is up for the challange of helping people with 1.000.000 dollars or is this ALL FAKE?.....................................
Salladsdressing 2 years ago
When discussing this with you I have taken the simple man's approach, not that of the intellectual elite who think that thinking makes the world go round, man is not a brain, enslaved to his intellect that cannot halt disease, demons or death, I have a simple man's challenge that may be too much for your intellectual worldview, which is Jesus is alive and can change the circumstances without human understanding, such as your blind wife who can be healed if you will "ONLY BELIEVE!" Matt 5:36
HEALRev 2 years ago
Real Christianity is simple, Put up or Shut up! "God is and He rewards those who diligently seek Him" Hebrews 11:6, the Bible verse is self evident, it cannot be made evident in any other way than quote it and then do it and it will become plainly evident it is proven in the testing of it's claims to be backed by God Himself, if you REALLY WANT to know if God is then you need to follow the prescribed method He gives to mankind to ACTUALLY discover Him and His Rewards, no other tool can do it!
HEALRev 2 years ago
I cannot prove to such a learned man that God who made the brain is real, if you will not allow the possibility of God being and existing, then you cannot see the possibility and you will simply keep reciting your own mantra, "it's not possible, it's not possible.....", it's REALLY SIMPLE come to India AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, you WILL see miracles guaranteed!!! Now the onus of proof is on you being there to see the proof, I will provide it, because I know Jesus who does what His word says!
HEALRev 2 years ago
Amazing!! Why here is a wonderful thing, a lady who was born blind can now see and you cannot see it, for the majority of the human race who haven't twisted up their thinking with intellectual speculation and doubt instead of thought, a woman who couldnt see, now seeing, IS THE PROOF that she was healed, read the interaction between Jesus and the Pharisees in John chapters 8 to 10, Jesus "you who were blind can now see, and you who THINK they can see are blind", you think you can see here?!?
HEALRev 2 years ago
More errors:
Red herring: discuss the video? No, "save my soul".
Proof by verbosity: instead of providing real evidence, you post bits of sermon.
And finally, misunderstanding the burden of proof. This is on the person making the claim, not the other way round. I needn't prove you didn't pray, or the woman could see before, or that she couldn't see afterwards. It is for you to prove it.
Please keep your pinkie off the SHIFT LOCK. Shouting doesn't impress anybody except (perhaps) congregations.
anarchie76 2 years ago
Well done, Rory.
I think you've gone through most of the logical errors that you can commit.
Ad hominem: attacking my character and motivation instead of addressing the issues.
Excluded middle: stating that either I prove you wrong, or you are correct.
Appeal to authority: Bible, Jesus.
Special pleading: God is unknowable.
Anecdotal evidence: this video.
Observational selection: how many blind worshippers were not cured?
Post hoc: you prayed, the woman could see. Therefore the prayer did it.
anarchie76 2 years ago
Finally, why does all this really matter? Jesus, whose identity & reality are here in question, has divinely judged all things that are perfect and imperfect, & as the Creator of said stuff has condemed all evil to hell, along with anything else that is less than perfect, hence the entire human race's need for a Saviour so perfect and complete that He not only was perfect, but gave His own perfection (Life) to us as a free gift, if not heaven with one imperfect person would soon become hell!
HEALRev 2 years ago
Knowing The REAL & LIVING God IS VITAL FOR SURVIVAL IN THE ETERNAL REALM (beyond this dimensional framework-read: outside of the known universe)THAT FOLLOWS DEATH! it is you who has so many statements to make about there being no God, and you spend so much time avoiding God instead of allowing the Truth to penetrate your flimsy intellectual shield, LIFE cannot be controlled by useless rhetoric and theorising speculation, it must be LIVED OUT AND EXPERIENCED or it remains untested & untrue!
HEALRev 2 years ago
I have a challenge for you anarchie76, come to India and Africa at the end of this year with me and you can sit right on the platform and see for yourself! I'll pay for all your expenses during your stay with us, and I guarantee you will see many miracles that satisfy David Hume's standard sufficently. November to December and maybe you can also assist in the orphanage we have set up, as well as the street ministry to those who live there, mum's with kids with nowhere to go, maybe you can help??
HEALRev 2 years ago
Rory, I am not qualified to assess your miracle claims. There are others much better able to do so than I.
Why not issue the same invitation to Dr Benjamin Radford, Dr Joe Nickell, or D J Grothe? They are more likely to be able to spare the time — which my professional duties preclude me from doing — and much better witnesses into the bargain.
anarchie76 2 years ago
Who? Qualifications are for men who think the universe can be limited and made finite by their own efforts or methods of learning, thinking and self comparison, God, who is UNKNOWABLE on the other hand, seeks to be KNOWN through self revelation.
I AM TALKING TO YOU & not these men about your eternal soul & the reality of God & ETERNITY, if you really are not qualified how is it you argue so much about what you don't know? This is your opportunity of a lifetime to see God and you're too busy???
HEALRev 2 years ago
You and YOUR followers make grandiose statements like there is no God, as if you knew EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW! isn't that the very essence of deception, you are so convinced of your own self righteousness, you are unable to examine, without bias, the possibilty of anything that disagrees with what you already believe, and here the reality of God's actual existence STARES YOU IN THE FACE AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS DENY IT!!!
Where is your humilty and wonder at what may just be God turning up!?!
HEALRev 2 years ago
Why do you need to resort to *ad hominem* instead of addressing the facts?
Hume's standard requires that "no testimony as to a miracle shall be accepted unless the falsehood of that testimony be less likely than the miracle".
Don't trickery, fakery, and fraudulent videos happen every day?
Do you really think this video passes Hume's test?
anarchie76 2 years ago
As for this: "no testimony as to a miracle shall be accepted unless the falsehood of that testimony be less likely than the miracle" I believe that liars go LITERALLY into a Lake of Fire for all Eternity. If my "testimony" is false I am condemning myself to that lake of fire, which I will never do! If I am deceived it is not for you to accuse me of, but to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you say is 100% true, the only other alternative is that I am, in fact, correct & HERE God is seen
HEALRev 2 years ago
"a violation of natural law — from a normal event...And your video does not meet it."
Really? I thought a woman with no eyes getting new eyes WAS A VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW, THE VERY THING DAVID HUME TOUTS AS THE EVIDENCE-HERE IT IS!! You say there was only one close up, that's all you need if you really wanted to know, you have all that it takes to believe, so what's the problem? David Hume's standard is fulfilled!
it would take a miracle for her to get cosmetic lenses, this is rural india!
HEALRev 2 years ago
I am not being sarcastic, simply amazed that an intelligent man such as yourself is so willing to overlook the obvious, to pounce on the banal rhetoric of men who don't see miracles ever! I am referring to atheists and others like them who simply wish to shut God out of the equation so they don't have to face Him!?!
HEALRev 2 years ago
"2. The easiest person to deceive is oneself. And you and your followers could all have been deceived yourselves; this kind of scam has been pulled in India for at least a century."
You want to apply this same comment to yourself?
What if you are the one who is wrong? and you are terribly deceived, eternally and terribly deceived, so that unlike the blind people who couldn't see but gained their sight, you wouldn't believe and will never see eternal light? only darkness and deadly doubt?
HEALRev 2 years ago
It didn't make news headlines, as most miracles don't, because then people would have to acknowledge that there is a God bigger than them and that might require a response that most people are not willing to make.
heavenonearthgeelong 2 years ago
I was there with this lady before she got up on stage. When her friend brought her up to me, I checked & she had NO EYEBALLS. I double-checked to make sure. A short time later, while she was still standing with me, NEW EYEBALLS appeared. I saw the miracle happen right in front of me - no gimmicks, no conjuring, only the power of God creating life.
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HEALRev 2 years ago
unfortunately for you anarchie76, you forget 3 things:
1. You dont know what constitutes the scientific proof for a miracle-so your opinion is flawed
2. The people praying for her (US) believe that liars go to hell-Revelation 21:8, so if they were paying people to deceive you they would be assigning themselves to hell, and I wont go to hell for you or anyone else!
3. The God Test is not scientific, even if He shows up for you, you wouldn't want to believe! You cannot see what you don't want to!
HEALRev 2 years ago
1. The scientific standard for proof of a miracle was established over 250 years ago, by David Hume in 'An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding'. And the event in this video does not meet it.
2. The easiest person to deceive is oneself. And you and your followers could all have been deceived yourselves; this kind of scam has been pulled in India for at least a century.
3. Nonsense. I didn't want to see the car that hit me when I was 11 and almost broke my leg. I did. It did!
anarchie76 2 years ago
Does David Hume work miracles? If you wanted your car fixed you wouldn't go to a dentist, if you wanted your tooth fixed you wouldn't go to a mechanic, so why would I accept the test of an inexperienced man over the reality of God, as for you "learned better" about "gods", I didn't know that you possessed ALL KNOWLEDGE so that such an ABSOLUTE STATEMENT could be made, YOU KNOW THERE ARE NO GODS!?! Amazing that you are the font of all revelation, oh I see now! Your intellect has become god!
HEALRev 2 years ago
Your sarcasm does you no credit, Rory.
David Hume works no more miracles than any other man who's been dead for 233 years. But he showed us how to distinguish a miracle — a violation of natural law — from a normal event. His standard of proof has stood unchallenged ever since.
And your video does not meet it.
As for my disbelief, it's open to proof by any god who cares to provide some. None has.
And finally, how come this "miracle" didn't hit the headlines all over the world?
anarchie76 2 years ago
My name is Reverend Rory Lennon and I am the minister in this video.
We went to India for the first time ever and did not know or have contact with these people until we were there. This area is a rural area and the people need all the help they can get.
It amazes me how people think they are superior in the west because they have science or intellectual advancement, but this does not mean you have the Truth.
Miracles BY DEFINITION do not occur because of SCIENTIFIC PROCESS, they are GOD GIVEN!
HEALMinistries1 2 years ago
Science is interchangeable with the word Knowledge so Science is the INVESTIGATION OF THINGS, not criticism of what you don't know!, thus God defines science, not science defining God. God made ALL THINGS, so any scientist worth his salt will be seeking, not retreating from, discovery of the ultimate source of all life and existence.
We were not trying to give you scientific standard but faith hope & love! If this is true then God indeed exists, if it is not then you have no hope beyond death
HEALMinistries1 2 years ago
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anarchie76 2 years ago
Well, Rory — how much did you find out about India before going? Fraudsters in India have been pulling this trick for at least 70 years; the earliest reference I've found dates back to 1928.
People who have science may not have THE truth, but they have SOME truth. That's what the word means.
As for miracles occurring, whether given by a god or otherwise, unfortunately there is no evidence of any, EVER, that would pass David Hume's test.
anarchie76 2 years ago
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Gods do not define science. Science is a human construct, and so are gods. The difference between them is that people are constantly trying to DISPROVE science, a keystone of the scientific method, but believers are constantly trying to PROVE their gods.
If you wish to persuade me and people like me that the events shown in the video were anything other than conjuring, you will have to do better. This is not even as convincing as David Hogan.
Sorry!
anarchie76 2 years ago
I was there actually and am the one who brang her up onto the stage. This is 100% super natural, meaning it SURPASSES our NATURAL order and thinking, because our God is SUPER!
timothyj777 2 years ago
PLEASE!
There is NO evidence that would convince even a court of law, never mind scientific peer-revieved journals, that anything supernatural occurred. All that is shown is a cheap conjuring trick.
anarchie76 2 years ago
it's amazing how you can on one hand deny the evidence of an actual miracle, that doesn't require "scientific peer testing", just eyeballs that see, and on the other start quoting 'conjuring' as a valid alternative, do you believe in magic?
11 years ago I was beating the crap out of people on the door of a nightclub as a martial artist and bouncer who believed in nothing, and I was saved by an eye open vision of Jesus matching Rev ch1, that changed my life, does that need scientific review?
HEALRev 2 years ago
Ask any conjuror which is easier to fool: a hall full of people or a group of 3. This video is not proof of anything, except the gullibility of those that posted it.
As for your vision, hallucinations are a common phenomenon. 35 years ago I believed in gods and so on. I learned better. That was as a result of scientific review.
anarchie76 2 years ago
This is not proof of scientific standard.
No ophthalmologist's report; only one blurred close-up "before" photo, which could be of anybody. No demonstration that the woman can actually see — a blind person can touch a nose by following a voice or detecting warmth with fingertips.
The demonstration could easily have been faked by the lady inserting cosmetic lenses, which have an impressively realistic appearance.
Sorry!
anarchie76 2 years ago